Old thread:>>25029280Hippy boomer editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters
how you expect/want their romance to play out in the books ?
Reminder.Also >>25060079 TRVTH NVKE
>>25060792I expect a subversion of expectations as in the sense of their relationship not being all tensed up like in the show but instead just two teenagers being attracted to each other and falling in love at worst possible time (they have a war to deal with) after all this will be the first time both of them will be having a relationship with someone the same age
>>25060792It won't work out purely because it would leave everything too neat.
>>25060808what you mean it won't work ? you think they'll get together and it will end bad ?
How many characters in ASOIAF have come back from the dead at this point? 4? 5?
>>25060980the hodor origin story had me seething, amazon lord of the rings style
>>25060618Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>25051971>Sanderson won>He got unprecedented dictatorial control over his own adaptations. I hope this makes George give up and go write the books instead.i hope Sanderson gets to be the next asoiaf show runner.
>>25060792they'll just be attracted for each other at first and then a few chapters later they'll be said to be madly in love with each otherain't this how every romance works in the series ?
>>25060980I think Game of Thrones is overrated trash but it's hard to disagree with GRRM here. He's absolutely right.Reviving characters completely cheapens their deaths.
>4 grrm threads when the general struggles to be alive on its own
Due to their Targ blood and ancestry the three heads of the dragon are actually: Joffrey, Tommen, and Myrcella.
>>25060792It won't happen. It will take at least one book for Daenerys to return to Westeros and another for her to fight Aegon. Jon's story will stay in the North
>>25060980Only three I think: Beric, Catelyn, and Ser Gregor
>>250606181970s homes had so much SOVL.
>>25062876aside from all the foreshadowing, george has confirmed to d&d the whole story will come down to jon and dany reuniting and it will have a big impact on the whole plotwhat will come out of this relationship and what will be this big impact is still to be seen (if the books ever get an ending)
>>25062994He said their stories would converge. It might just mean they fight on opposing sides in the final battle.If Jon is resurrected as the Night's King then he'll be on the side of Ice while Daenerys will be on the side of Fire
>>25062893indeed
>>25063105>her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadowdany's dream here very much confirms their relationship is inevitable
>>25060618Why is his writing so shit? Talk about meandering. Dude get to the point it's not like you are writing shakespear
I see a lot of discussion online (reddit, where else can you find discussion any more) about the new TV show and the Novellas, and I am seeing a lot of reference to the Ware of the Ninepenny kings and the reforms of a baby Aeg, grandfather to Aerys. I’m only halfway through Storm of Swords, and I was wondering do the conditions of the ‘third estate’ really factor that much into the broader story and the conditions that make the main series? Outside of Arya’s plot I haven’t seen anything about the small folk, or their opinions and thoughts, and maybe that’s by design. The brotherhood without banners is so far the best part of the series, yet it seems the theme of their plotline is just an Elden Ring demo, and not the small folk’s relationship with the nobility and clergy.
>>25063589*War, sorry for phone posting
>>25063589>reddit, where else can you find discussion any morewesteros.org>the conditions of the ‘third estate’what's that?
>>25063594>>the conditions of the ‘third estate’>what's that?Not the clergy or the nobility. The small folk
>>25063638i didn't play elden ring but yeah the common people do nothing major in the story.they just provide support for the rebels.just like irl.
>>25060980it was the right choice to bring them back though
>>25060792MAGIC zombie FIREDEMON oldgod infused SEMEN to be shot right into daenerys SAHARA DESERT womb at such HIGH VELOCITIES that it restarts her ovaries and results in PROGENY
>>25060618OK real question no bait..do you think GRRM is a huge lolifag?
>>25064138What do you think?
>>25060618So these two retards effectively fucked the Targaryen reign, right? The caused the Dragon extinction.
>>25064320Nope, it was doomed from Jaehaerys being a shit father and pussywhipped, trusting maesters and Hightowers. He left the kingdom with a bumbling fool who was obsessed with prophecy and then re-married with the first woman who listened to him, daughter to the most obvious villain maybe ever and then he goes on to be an even worse father than Jaehaerys was and drags his feet with succession. If Viserys wasn't a retard he would have told Rhaenyra "Either you marry Aegon or I am stripping you of your title as heir" and if she threw a bitch-fit over that then boo fucking hoo. Alicents worst crime was being a shit mother and misunderstanding her dying zombie husband. The dance could have been prevented if the line of Aenys wasn't full of cucks and retards.
>>25063105their reunion has been foreshadowed way too much for it not to happenthey will definitely meet by the end of TWOW
>>25064344That's a great dragon. Looks like a monstrous imp. Like you can visualise there was some ancestor sacrifice and human-animal breeding to create dragons.
>>25062269Gandalfini is a maia, an immortal spirit and he ''died'' a premature death hence his return.
>>25064344Maeguck cope knows no bound. The seed was weak...
>>25064637>painted nails typed this post
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>>25064815To be fair, this Ned was talked into all of this, taking the position of Hand by his wife after she gets some stupid coded letter from her schizo sister. Following Jon's and Stannis's bread crumbs to all of Robert's bastards. Cersei and Robert clearly hate each other and their marriage, and Robert doesn't interact with the kids at all. Cersei killing his bastards because there are like 20 of them and ALL of them look like Robert. And then Ned straight up asks Cersei if the kids are Robert's or Jaime's and she just straight up says yeah they're Jaime's kids lol.
>>25061377you forgot the phrase: winter is coming
>Varamyr had often slipped inside her skin as she was being mounted by One EyeOh
>>25062883>Only three I think: Beric, CatelynBeric and Catelyn are dead-dead and have no souls, they're essentially biological computers with corrupted software running on ROM.>and Ser GregorHe's a soulless meatpuppet.But Varamyr died and came back to life, albeit as a wolf and of course Jon Snow will come back to life and he will have his soul, which had been safely ensconced in Ghost.
>>25066192>have no soulsthey do though, there souls are bound to their corpses
Now that the knight of the seven kingdoms show is a thing, how will everyone react when they adapt the lacklustre sequels? The first book is good because Duncan is the protagonist of the story, the 2nd and 3rd books immediately fail because dunk the lunk becomes s side character in someone else's story. He barely even impacts the endings. >1st book he causes the events by his choices, he's the one true knight saving a damsel in distress from a "dragon". 2nd book, a lord and a lady are having a spat over water. Duncan duels the lady's champion and is wounded. When he wakes the lord and lady have decided to just marry each other. (insult to injury the lord dies a couple years later and she married Tywin's ancestor, so what was the point?)3rd book Dunk decides to join a joust, because the first one went SO well. It's all a ruse for a blackfyre no one likes, so no one wants to fight for him. So he gets arrested and executed, while dunk is just...there? I think george just wanted to write 2 short stories and decided to bolt Duncan on as an excuse to claim they're relevant to the series.
>>25066433>how will everyone react when they adapt the lacklustre sequels?How else? They'll tune in every Sunday like the cattle they are.
Actual blackpill: Both books have been essentially finished for a few years now, but the massive backlash to S6, 7, and especially 8 has left him way too insecure to just release them because even if some routes, character arcs, and developments play out differently in the books, many of the broad main end results that people hated are still going to be there, such as>Dany going mad >Jon killing her >Bran becoming king
>>25066283>>have no souls>they do though, there souls are bound to their corpsesNo, Beric and Catelyn are soulless robots. Their bodies have been reanimated by R’hllorian magic but their souls went wherever souls go after their deaths.
>>25066967>"Once, at the Citadel, I came into an empty room and saw an empty chair. Yet I knew a woman had been there, only a moment before. The cushion was dented where she'd sat, the cloth was still warm, and her scent lingered in the air. If we leave our smells behind us when we leave a room, surely something of our souls must remain when we leave this life?" Qyburn spread his hands. "The archmaesters did not like my thinking, though. Well, Marwyn did, but he was the only one."
>>25067030>ramblings of a psychopathThe entire point of the Varamyr prolog is to set up the return of Jon Snow, who will _not_ be a soulless automaton like Beric and Catelyn as his soul had safely warged into Ghost.
>support the Greens in the Dance of Dragons>support the 1st Blackfyre rebellion>support the 2nd Blackfyre rebellion>chimpout on their own with the Peake Uprising>literally kill King Maekar I TargaryenHow does House Peake even still exist?
>>25068226>ramblings of a psychopathMore like the enlightened musings of a scholar personally approved by George's own mouthpiece (Marwyn).
>Tyrion, have I ever told you the tale of Tyrone Lannister? the BLACK lion of Casterly Rock, he was called.
>>25069411>He was a good friend.
>>25060618>>25064320Game of fookin’ thrones!
>>25060792I refuse to believe that Dany has freckles and sun damage. Isn't she meant to be the ideal woman?Dany's going to have Jon's child during the Long Night. That much is clear:> "When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."And either she or Jon (or both) will die. I think Jon lives though, because of the originally planned Jon/Arya ending.Jon will be King of Winter, but winter gives way to spring (Bran), so Jon will abandon his throne as part of the final peace settlement. Going beyond the Wall doesn't really make sense (the free folk are being resettled in the Gift), IMHO he ends the story as Lord of Winterfell, having gotten over all of his hangups about it, and his child by Dany (the true heir) will be hidden as his bastard.
>>25063566You niggers keep picking the wrong sister. Incest is the best when:>The queen. And now Bran recognized the man beside her. They looked as much alike as reflections in a mirror.>"And why not? The Targaryens wed brother to sister for three hundred years, to keep the bloodlines pure. And Jaime and I are more than brother and sister. We are one person in two bodies."
>every interview George has done in the past 5 years has included the rant about "Tolkien fucking killed off Gandalf, then ruined it by bringing him back">at the same time he STILL plans on bringing back Jon SnowWhy?
>>25070740It can be either one of the following reasons:1. He doesn't plan on ever continuing the story so you can call him out for his hypocrisy.2. It's another fake out death and Jon survived his stabbing.
you think dany is a whore in the books ? will jon really be able to fix her ?
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>>25070931Princess Arianne of Nigeria
