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Recommend me a book with varied and cool magic. I'm not talking about Sandersonian autism -- it doesn't have to function like a D&D rulebook, with everything delineated precisely, but there should be different kinds of interesting magic and inventive effects/interactions. Think Potter, but hopefully more mature.

>>25044111
why do people get butthurt about viriconium

>>25043745
>with a LITERAL deus ex machina resolution happened IRL
I don't know why retards who havent read the history keep saying retarded shit like this.

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>>25044072

This has to be the most complicated piece of sci-fi that i have read so far. 40 pages in...does it get more comprehensible?

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>>25044130
Malazan. Magic is like a weapon of mass destruction

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>>25044130
the goat

>>25044111
good list of books. trannies copying as usual.

>>25044214
>does it get more comprehensible?
No. It's also his most accessible book. Quit while you're ahead; Egan isn't for you.

>>25044111
Why did you put trash like Hyperion on your list of great books?

>>25044369
This. Hyperion is retarded.

>>25044213
Its just stupid, especially because the person who essentially won them the final battle at antioch: Bohemond, was like the biggest skeptic of Peter.

So youre basically implying that the guy whos daring strategies saved the Crusade twice barely believed in the Holy Lance shit being legit? Just retarded. The only relevance of the Holy Lance shit, is in boosting the morale of the Christian retards to continue FIGHTING in the first place. Had nothing to do with the strategies and decisions of the actual military leaders in Bohemond.

Makes me wonder what these people defending this nonsense think war is. Its so illogical. Do they think that a smaller army can never beat a bigger army, so whenever it occurs, some "Deus Ex Machina" must have been present. Are you fucking retarded? Do you not understand reality? Was it a Deus Ex Machina that the snow slowed the Nazi advance into Russia because they expected to Blitz Russia instantly so didnt prepare proper snow wear?

Stop being fucking retarded. Im tired of reiterating my criticism. If you dont understand that things have justifications for happening. And not all "reasons" are equal then I dont know what to tell you.

I'm currently reading through the entire Robot anthology by Asimov
What do I think of it?

>>25044214
Not trying to be a dick but I consider myself slightly above avg intelligence and I was shocked people found this book so hard to comprehend...

How far in are you and what are you struggling with?

>>25044072
With anna's archive down and zlb asking for premium update what sit do you guys use?

>>>25039892
>empire of the vampire
Isn't it full of homo shit? Thought women loved that.

>>25044585
>With anna's archive down
It's not.

annas-archive.li
annas-archive.pm

Right there on the wiki.

>>25044214
>>25044536

Been a while since i read it. Amazing stuff but i still can't entirely comprehend the dust theory.

>>25044671
I think it never made sense in the first place.

>>25044585
i use bookshops
you should try them

>>25044585
>y is there only romantasy
>pirates everything

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>>25044702
Problem is also bullshit pricing.

>160 pages
>$20 dollars

>>25044671
Pretty sure dust theory was that if you seeded a virtual universe without enough random building blocks of atomic arrangement, things would start to coalesce and creat bigger and bigger building blocks of life. Kind of like a big bang theory minus the initial implosion/explosion.

>>25044702
let's not pretend throwing money at people makes everything better

>>25044266
I wonder how any of these novels exist that just slipped through the cracks in the 80s and 90s.

>>25044722
I always wished that, for standard paperbacks, that the industry controlled pricingby page count.

I bought some gay ass fifty-one stories book off Amazon last week for $24. It's by Lord Dunsany. I thought it would be 400 or 600 pages long. Shit was a 50 page pamphlet. And the stories are like 3 paragraphs at most and it's lame ass poetry.

100% my fault for being a retarded consumer and not checking anything out about the book prior to buying but it shouldn't have been $24

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>>25044722
I remember Murderbot justified it specifically by going with hardcover.

>>25044749
There's so many books you can read until the day you die with out ever having to read reddit slop of the month. Does advertising and by posting really have this great of an effect? Who am I kidding, of course it does! It's even getting heckin Netflix adaptation so you know it's good!1!1!!!

>>25044404
You'd come off less as a spastic retard screaming at a wall if you used some basic grammar. "Whose", you fucking moron. And "If you dont understand that things have justifications for happening." isn't a complete sentence. You fucking moron. I'm tired of reiterating this. You fucking moron.

>>25044266
That's a dope cover. Is the book itself good?

>>25044764
>isn't a complete sentence.
whats not understood by you?

>>25044732

Wasn't it something like if you wanted to simulate a human brain/consciousness it doesn't need to be computed in a specific order. It could be random and you still could get a ongoing experience of qualia or something.

>>25044805
NTA, but it is genuinely a 5 star fantasy novel. Probably the best standalone fantasy novel written in the last 50 years.

>>25044585
annas archives link is on wikipedia

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This poster made /sffg/ shit and piss themselves over how based his reading list is.

I’m dealing with literary agents, and while I’ve gotten some positive feedback and a revise and resubmit, I’m starting to think I might need to look into self publishing.

If I don’t get an offer in the next two months, I want to have a cover and interior art ready. I’m not sure what to paint, though. What are some of the best covers for a dark medieval fantasy?

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>>25045013
Stop trying to make your reading list a thing, schizo. Nobody cares about your Goodreads account.

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>>25045045
>What are some of the best covers for a dark medieval fantasy?
the black company

>>25045127
I care

>>25045168
Thank you Shia Labeouf from Holes.

>>25045162
that looks like dr doom

>>25045162
Is there anything like Black Company except not crap?

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What's your favourite niche SF/F novel, guys? "Niche" in terms of, your average SFFaG won't have read it.

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>>25045265
Rats and Gargoyles, Mary Gentle
Vacuum Flowers, Michael Swanwick

>>25045275
forced meme is forced
get some new material

>>25045288
>Dude, EVERYTHING is a meme :O
About what I expect from the average /sffg/fag.

>>25045295
>the memeposter lashes out in anger at being called out

>>25045332
>non-reading newfag can only communicate through buzzwords
sasuga

>>25045265
The average reader hasn't read any book in particular. It's only in aggregate that that can be said of relatively popular. Once you get away from the popular, the chance any random person has read it is exceedingly low.

Why can't fantasy/westerns ever get it right?

>>25045392
get what right?

Gunna repost this question:
>What's the best philosophically rich (for those who have actually read and therefore understand that philosophy isnt just "erm are good things actually bad, and bad things actually good?" but instead some principle, concept, or idea appealed to and tested.) book in this silly genre? That doesn't feel like every element of the story exists to force an idea down your throat, but instead is explored organically. Think: What if a thought experiment was an entire story? (for those who know what a thought experiment is)

Are there any good books?

I was reading at a bar this weekend and some guy came up to me telling me that he reads a lot and was curious what I was reading. I asked him how many books he read last year and he said at least four.

I told him I was reading Harry Potter so he'd leave me alone.

>>25045415
sir, this is /sffg/

>>25045666
What does that mean? Are you implying there are no philosophically rich science fiction or fantasy novels? Maybe im coming across as too strict with my desire?

>>25045415
>>25045671
most of egan's entire works, especially his short stories. i'd say a good bit of PKD's books could definitely be thought experiments. this kind of stuff is not rare in the genre at all.

>>25045671
Philosophy, much like politics, and religion is for teenagers and 20 somethings who are in college or are unemployed and have never paid taxes.

Reading stories about ghosts, space, and magic are unironically more mature than needing deep philosophical insight you should have already gained in your youth and then packed away forever. Filed under 'things I know and can't change'. Philosophy is for the malcontent midwits who are forever destined to try and "figure it out," all while avoiding real life things they actually have control over. I pity the fool.

>>25045717
What does Maturity have to do with anything I said? I feel I was pretty clear about what I asked.

>>25045721
I was just stating my opinion that intentionally seeking out philosophically heavy scifi is real gay when there's probably some book about space barbarians with giant broadswords riding giant lizards that you could read and actually enjoy.

Anyways, try not to get bullied at school tomorrow. Tall order, I know.

>>25045730
Okay. Sure. Your opinion has been expressed. I'd rather watch anime anyway if I were looking for that sort of stuff at this time. I've consumed enough of that.

>>25045735
How many Funko pops do you own? Try not to lie.

>>25044111
I can picture in my mind's eye how trembling and insecure the person who made this image was while he struggled to manipulate each image in photoshop.
I bet he did it at around 4 am, alone, and went to sleep around 7.

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>>25045209
Now I'm going to read it.

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>look up literally ANY book ever mentioned in /sffg/
>this guy's face keeps appearing
shit's getting uncanny yo

>Twelve Months
Halfway done, good impressions so far, looks like Butcher is healing. It lives up to my prediction of the book being him working through all the (women-inflicted) shit in his life and comes off a little bit sappy I guess but at least it's not absolute dogshit as Peace Talks/Battle Ground were.

>>25044072
Is Lord Foul's Bane (Book 1 of The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever) by Sephen R. Donaldson an easy read?

>>25044360
>cnaiur is still alive
didn't that nigga get so mad that he evaporated and became a demon yanked away to hell?

he seems very extremely dead

>>25045933
It's only an easy read if you like moping and rape.

>>25045973
remove the rape part and its literally me

>>25044218
First book almost filtered me but I gave it a second chance
Loved the second until my favorite character died a rather annoying death
Never bothered with the third

>>25045162
Another series that I loved until some of my favorite characters died bullshit deaths and other cool characters became depressed potato farmers. I tried really hard to like the post books of the north, but honestly it should have ended as a trilogy.
I think the author agrees with me because from what I hear he never bothered to finish the damn series

>>25046004
it was finished though

>>25045999
Your favourite character was that mage that got eaten by rats?

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>>25045999
Third is unironically the best of the series

>>25045933
MC is a retard and insufferable I wouldn't recommend this unless you are already a Bakker worshipper

Are there any decent YA novels for men?

>>25046154
Red Rising if you consider it YA.

>>25045933
Donaldson’s prose isn't for everyone, but it isn’t difficult. You might have to look up the occasional word. Personally I really enjoyed his prose but if you look up reviews a lot of people bitch about it.

Difficult in subject matter or themes? That really depends on you. But if you make it through book 1, read through to book 3.

>>25045415
Fiction can't ever really reach the depth of actual philosophy because of the nature of each medium. How, for example, could you hope to express the ideas in Merleau-Ponty's Phenomenology of Perception in a fictional story? On the other hand, a large amount of sci-fi consists of exploring some kind of question or thought experiment, especially short stories. Off the top of my head, I can think of
>Brian Aldiss
>Phillip K. Dick
>Frederik Pohl
>Isaac Asimov
>H.G. Wells
>Poul Anderson
>Frank Herbert
> C.S. Lewis

>>25046154
BotNS

>>25045717
>>25045730
>>25045741
Another non-reading newfag derailing on-topic discussion. A shame.

>>25046158
I don't like any of those except Lewis. For some reason I'm just not really a fan of the "heavy hitters" of sci fi.

>>25044130
Rumo and His Miraculous Adventures. Although that is technically the second book in a series but the books are standalones set in the same world. You can start with Captain Bluebear which is the first book as the magic is pretty out there but it’s very different in tone than Rumo. Bluebear is a sort of episodic fun ride while Rumo is more of straight up hero’s adventure. All with wacky magic that is not quirk chungus leddit coded. I highly recommend both, though.

>>25044404
>Was it a Deus Ex Machina that the snow slowed the Nazi advance into Russia because they expected to Blitz Russia instantly so didnt prepare proper snow wear?
If there was no build up or foreshadowing then yes, it is a deus ex machina. How hard is this to understand, you autistic bitch?

>>25046154
Light and web novels.

>>25045045
Is your stuff leaning more towards the grimdark trend or are you doing your own thing? Either way, you’ve gotten way more than me. I’ve gotten nothing but rejections since November. Haven’t one sent in a month, though, as I’m still waiting for like 10 responses.

I say keep at it if you’re receiving good responses. How do you structure your queries?

>>25045265
I’m not sure if Walter Moers is still considered niche on this general but anything by him. Specifically Rumo, which I recommended to an anon on another post. I’m pretty sure most people on this general (let alone the standard reddit fantasy crowd) hasn’t read it so that’s my pick

>>25046154
lord of the rings

>>25046344
I don't like Isekai or RPG trash. I want stories set in the real world.

>>25046154
Percy Jackson for sure

>>25046374
>stories set in the real world
That's called native isekai

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>>25045045
Please have a cool-looking cover and not some boring abstract slop. I'm tired of fantasy/sci-fi with boring covers. You absolutely can judge a book by its cover.

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>>25046154
The Seven Citadels changed my YA life. I hesitate to mention it because I don't want you to google it and see the godawful re-release covers they were given where they just picked some random numetal band dudes off the street for a low effort DND photoshoot, and the books are nothing like that. The author has a background in egyptology and mythology and it's clear the protagonist's starting culture was modeled after far eastern imperial divinity. They're very good books that are superficially structured like "find all the magic mcguffins" but that's just a vehicle for the story to become deeply introspective and confront the hero's moral and existential beliefs and preconceptions at each successive meeting.

>>25046374
Many are set in the real world.

>>25046510
that woman's tummy looks strange

>>25046148
nta but I'm halfway through it now and Gruntle's bit so far (including your pic) has just been comical rather than brutally emotional like the chain of dogs was. idk maybe I'm still just seething about Kruppe. getting real tired of his faggotry. writers pet if there ever was one.

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>>25046536
Those wide dump truck hips with the low-rise chains or loincloths and the "fat over muscle" look were what all the fantasy babes had back in the day.

Been a long time since I read fantasy. Anything good in the last 5 years? I don't mind subgenre, style etc, I just want it to be good and something that (you) loved

>>25046574
Sun Eater and Red Rising are both pretty new

>>25046574
No. Read the classics instead.

>>25046574
There's been a lot that I've personally enjoyed, but whether it would be anything you would is an entirely seperate matter.

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>>25046574
>Anything good in the last 5 years?
You could ask this question about any topic, domain, or genre, and the answer is no.

>>25046574
By order of release, first books only
Dungeon Crawler Carl https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=56791389
Isolate https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=56179346
Age of Ash https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=58340712
The Justice of Kings https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=58293284
The Will of the Many https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=58416952
A Harvest of Ash and Blood https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=124053845
The Tainted Cup https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=150247395
The Silverblood Promise https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=195790755

Age of Ash and The Silverblood Promise aren't that great, but the second book in the series are. There are many more I could provide.

>>25046634
Wrong
https://imperiumdekadenz.bandcamp.com/album/into-sorrow-evermore

>>25046670
>first entry literal western isekai slop
your existences curses everything in your vicinity to deserving a meteor

David Gerrold is fucking dying

>>25046709
Nothing good has been made in the past 5 years. Post more isekai slop and then whine about popularity, you utter human turd.

>>25045265
The first half of "Dragonsbane" by Barbara Hambly. Very beautiful prose + grounded setting (more like ASOIAF, but without brutality of the latter) became my favorite thing to look for in fantasy.

This thread fucking sucks. Where is all the high tier sci-fi being discussed? I don't want to read about fucking elves and goblins and faux race-wars.

>>25046735
You literally read isekai slop, you human turd. You have no opinions, period.

>>25046721
Did he ever write anything worth reading?

>>25046736
I liked that book a lot and have gone back to it several times. Even if it's one of those early generation womanpain novels.

>>25046748
War Against the Chtorr

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>>25046745
>contributes nothing whatsoever
>why aren't my needs being met!?!?!?
Oh no, it's trash

>>25046751
>Worlds of Wonder: How to Write Science Fiction & Fantasy
This is how you spot a hack.

>>25046756
You literally read isekai slop, human turd. You have no valid opinions on anything. Keep crying and screeching, you can't change the fact you read trash and think it's good.

>>25046745
Read Dungeon Crawler Carl bro, it's fuckin awesome. Definitely high quality fantasy for sophisticated gods like you and me

>>25046765
Dude. You're so mad that you come onto the internet and make up random shit about other person's reading habits. And you've done this three times in a row now. You're new to the website, little kid. Lol.

>>25044130
The Absolute GOAT of inventive magic is The Dying Earth by Jack Vance, especially the first one and Rhialto the Marvelous, the Cugel ones still have plenty but it doesn't play as big a part.

>Nothing good has been made in the past 5 years
>YES THERE HAS!!!
>Such as?
>DUNGEON CRAWLER CARL BRO!!!
>That's garbage.
>WHY DOESN'T THIS THREAD EVER TALK ABOUT GOOD FANTASY????

>>25046774
You literally read ISEKAI SLOP. That's what you think is the best fiction in the past 5 years.

You are human trash and absolutely nothing you say has any value after that admission.

>>25046781
>I'M NEW TO 4CHAN AND EVERYBODY ELSE ONLY READS THESE CERTAIN BOOKS BECAUSE I SAID SO
>BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Lol. Don't punch another hole in the drywall.

>>25046783
You read isekai slop. Now look at your meltdown. This is your brain on absolute zerowit garbage.

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>>25046783
Looks to me you're the one punching drywall here

>>25046786
You literally read isekai slop. Nothing you do can ever walk that back.

>>25046798
You literally read isekai slop. That's what you read and think saved the past 5 years from being total shit. How many levels will Dungeon Crawler Carl get next time bro???

Good job, Yev. You made today's shitposter lose his mind over linking to the goodreads group.

>>25046804
You literally read isekai slop. That's what you describe as the best shit to come out of the past 5 years.

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Reading Again, Dangerous Visions, and I am not terribly impressed so far. I enjoy Ellison's self absorbed intros, but the fiction generally doesn't do it for me. Hopefully I will get to some good stories very soon. I know Wolfe has some stories in here, which is nice. However, I bought the book because I wanted to discover new SF authors, and I thought an anthology like this would serve me best.

>>25046809
Despite the sperging there's a point here. If your age doesn't end in teen and you shill for a book like that your opinion is pretty invalid.

>>25046822
You literally read isekai slop, and now you just come right out and proclaim tranime slop as well. Amazing level of complete brainlessness.

>>25046835
You literally read isekai slop. That's what you describe as the best shit to come out of the past 5 years.

>>25046745
Good sci-fi requires intelligent writers and that's a rough ask.

>>25046841
aww, now the dungeon crawler carl poster is freaking out and trying to copypaste the posting style that broke is mind, hoping he can redirect someone else's hate onto his adversary lmao

this is /lit/ not /a/, that kind of thing is very easy to spot.

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>>25046841
Misfire, sperg.

>>25046837
You already spent the beginning of your breakdown explaining how you were new to 4chan.
>>25046841
>so mad he misquotes
LOL

>>25046847
That post was the mass quoter trying to LARP as me. He wants you to hate the guy he was "arguing" with through false flagging. That's the extent of creative thinking a person who reads isekai slop can achieve.

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>>25046745
>all the high tier sci-fi
And what would that be? Just like with fantasy people look for different things in SF.

>>25046850
>so mad he misquoted
>can't understand anonymity
>spams the same newfag buzzwords over 10 times while telling others they are uncreative
LOL.
You're new to the website and can't even have an on-topic civil discussion.

>>25046518
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>become deeply introspective and confront the hero's moral and existential beliefs and preconceptions at each successive meeting.
interesting...

>>25046857
Too bad you didn't time it right and our posts happened within 22 seconds of each other.
>>25046849
>>25046850
Making the larp dreadfully obvious.

You're not very good at escaping responsibility.

>>25046822
What happened to this post? I can't see it

>>25046822
Frieren shitposters making their way over to /lit/? That makes a lot of sense.

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>>25044921
>standalone
Wasn't there a sequel?

>>25046826
Did you like DV better?

>>25046158
>>Frank Herbert
...what? this was literally one of the first dudes i asked about and most philosophy bros said hes not remotely philosophical, and i was convinced they were right when they explained more indepth, especially how his use of fate fundamentally says nothing about determinism because events dont chain together sensibly, and disconnected bits of history tied together with time travel. I obviously havent read the book, but i could sort of understand what he means intuitively. Cant really say anything philosophically meaningful with time travel.

>>25045415
https://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

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>>25046878
>I obviously havent read the book, but i could sort of understand what he means intuitively.

>>25046882
Same rhetoric as that thread-spamming newfag making up people's reading histories lol

>>25046878
You've gotta realize hobbyist readers are the same as any other hobbyist, anon. On 4chan that means snooty derision to anything the poster doesn't like. This is multiplied in generals, which is why part of why /vg/ is even a thing. Asking a philosophy thread about fantasy books is like asking a strategy game enjoyer his favorite CoD.

>>25046158
>How, for example, could you hope to express the ideas in Merleau-Ponty's Phenomenology of Perception in a fictional story?
Something like Phenomenology should be uniquely easy to express, because the entire point of Phenomenology, is not treating philosophy abstractly, but looking at human experience and perception and extrapolating from that, its supposed to be a uniquely human focused/centered approach to philosophy, literally just right a human fucking character and its settled.

Writing something about Platos theory of forms, or about Kant Critique of Pure Reason would be harder without the story feeling silly and contrived because despite the ironic fact that Kants philosophy in particular depends immensely on human categories of understanding. Its barely actually about human anything.

As for Platos, theres no complicated way to engage with Platos philosophy (atleast as its understood academically) Because Platos philosophy doesnt leave much room for philosophy. When Plato says, were already imbued inherently with knowledge and dont learn it, just remember it. The only way you can right that in a story...is by creating a contrived world where only that can be true. Because its not true in reality, theres a number of things that dispel it, same with his theory of forms.

And this is bad to me, because at that point Philosophy is becoming more like scripture, where every facet of the Bible just seeks to validate and affirm the arbitrary imposed rules of an all powerful dude that gets easily angry and destructive because hes a fucking retard thats poor at communicating with his own creations, and only selectively communicates with those who conveniently happen to be devoted to him or he decides could want to be (yes i know thats the point of faith, its stupid.)

To me what saves Plato's silly philosophies (as is understood by academia) is the conversation that develops to the conclusion, and the fact that he always engages with interlocutors honestly and deeply. So that you are ALLOWED to disagree comfortably in the end, because youre presented with all contentions, and all retorts.

Its the (honest) interaction/response of philosophy with and to other philosophy that makes it different from religion ultimately.

To employ Kants philosophy in writing, youd have to go to the German Idealists that came after like Schopenhauer and Hegel, (eh...) or even Bergson who make the philosophy less abstract, and more particular (well arguably Hegel makes it even more abstract, but the history aspect is more human than Kant)

If Plato is used the way I interpret him, then it could work. But Ill trust that the Plato experts have a better interpretation than I do. So, imo it doesnt work.

>>25046872
I skipped DV lol. I think those that go on to read ADV say ADV is better because in comparison to DV, it generally but not always tries to be more about storytelling. DV is more about shock value. Still, not looking forward to 'In the Barn', which seems to be a shock value ADV tale.

>>25046882
>>25046897
None of this proves this is wrong. But now that I understand how some of you operate in this general, and are more eager to deride, than correct.

Which makes me realize I was actually wrong to quote >>25046897 this guy implying he was part of that, because if im reading this correctly hes pointing out exactly that.

The person who quoted "Havent read" instead of clarifying the misunderstanding, or opposing it with even further detail and context. Isnt trustworthy. Somebody who understands something in depth, thinks it valuable, and has the capacity to articulate that, would at the very least make a point otherwise.

This isnt somebody confidently making a statement about dune that bodes ignorance, its somebody who was honest and open enough to clarify they havent read dune, so that an honest interlocutor could understand that theyre not making absolutist statements about it, and want actual justifications for dune being philosophically rich. Instead of it simply being "named" as such.

This response has dampened my confidence in the fact that anybody here even has the capacity for that though. Just equal ignorance from a lack of engagement with what is disagreed, or intuitively repulsed.

I post and then go off to other things for a couple hours ago and look what happens. 8 deleted posts and lots of silliness.
>>25046700 DCC isn't isekai.
>>25046809 It can't be helped.
For those who want to be upset about isekai and web fiction and in general, look no further than what I'm writing about here in /wng/, and posting on Goodreads. I haven't posted everything yet and there's still a lot more to get around to. I read and write about what I want. Whine and disparage as you will.
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_tripcode=cisuti

I'm enjoying the tedium that is Emire of Silence and nothing you dorks can say will sway me. Can't wait to see what's in store for the rest of the series.

>>25046851

Ursula K. Le Guin
Isaac Asimov
Arthur C. Clarke
Philip K. Dick
Frank Herbert
Octavia Butler
Gene Wolfe
Greg Egan
Neal Stephenson
Alastair Reynolds
Robert A. Heinlein
Peter Watts

I want more discussions about them. Not Fantasy slop featuring Gork and Mork travel Dwarfland.

>>25046981
>Gork and Mork
You don't get to look down on anyone, 40kiddie.

>>25046518
>They're very good books that are superficially structured like "find all the magic mcguffins" but that's just a vehicle for the story to become deeply introspective and confront the hero's moral and existential beliefs and preconceptions at each successive meeting.
How long does it take to get to the introspective "deep" stuff

>>25046981
>Frank Herbert
>Greg Egan
>Neal Stephenson
>Alastair Reynolds
>Robert A. Heinlein
>Peter Watts
Nah.

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>>25047008
Dune is just way too overrated by retards, and when I say retards, I'm not joking, I got a recc in my youtube from a Dune obsessed retard, who made a video "I am somewhat concerned by how much Dune resembles 2026..." and "Star Trek is Propaganda" with picrel as the cover. Just something retarded about Dune fans.

>>25046981
>Isaac Asimov
>Arthur C. Clarke
>Robert A. Heinlein
I want more discussions without regurgitative normalfags like you.

>>25047030
It's the movies. New and old.

The only way to have consistent discussion about anything is to be in a place that's exclusively about that thing. That's one of the reasons why Reddit is so much more popular and active. There are single subject subreddits for just about anything. It's like if every thread on 4chan was a general. /vg/ is basically that model. Would similar work for /lit/ where every thread was about a specific author or even series? I doubt there would be enough posters for that, but who knows. The GRRM general keeps going.

>>25047081
No, We barely keep this going and that's with recycled responses and shit. It's simply slower here.

>>25047081
Generals are anathema to 4chan's anonymous posting. /vg/ and threads like this or the GRRM one are containment areas, not models of improvement.

>>25047081
There hasn't been a decent place to discuss literature on 4chan since the pre (/lit/ + /sci/) board split of /r9k/.

>>25047030
I don't know what you are talking about the books are great. If you don't read Dune but read LotRs you're missing out on half the meta commentary on fiction in the English world. Game of Thrones is just an extension of Dune's refute on LotR's universal good vs. evil.

>>25047099
Lol. Retard.
>refute on LotR's universal good vs. evil.
Cannot believe the level of baby tier anime shit that gets called "great meta commentary on fiction in the English world"
everyday I walk amongst animals. I was going to say children, but thats too insulting to people who's development has not been seen through yet.

>>25047107
Name calling just makes me more right and more evident that all you have for commentary is as simplistic as a 5 year old being told to eat his veggies before getting dessert.

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>>25046906
>Literally just write a human character and you've written a novel about Phenomenology.
No. By this standard, every novel is a science fiction novel because it takes place in a world where people breath, and the process of breathing is related to biology, which is a science. Or every novel is a Kantian novel because all humans use the categories of understanding, etc.
>Something something the Bible
Please don't make this a religionthread.

>>25047030
>Doesn't hide YouTube recommendations.
>Calls other people retards.

>>>25046878
That goes back to my main point that philosophy can't really be conveyed on an advanced level in science fiction. "Philosophy 101" gets thrown around a lot as a pejorative, but it's honestly going to be difficult to write a novel that's both engaging and covers philosophy at an advanced level. There's nothing wrong with writing a story that makes use of concepts at the Philosophy 101 level.

>>25047081
GRRM threads are mostly a long form psychotic breakdown in reaction to a 15 year+ wait for a book. It is a wholly unique situation that can't be replicated.

>>25047107
I yearn for slow weeks-long threads without the cattle clamoring and yelling for more of their generic megapopular goulash.

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>>25047112
>Name calling just makes me more right and more evident that all you have for commentary is as simplistic as a 5 year old being told to eat his veggies before getting dessert.

>>25046981
I was occassionally writing reviews of Gene Wolfe's underread short stories on here and I got no (You)'s.

This board is the content people seek, for better or worse.

>>25047127
He won't finish it because his philosophy ends with everything being shit and people chimped out at it. At the same time, he also refuses to buckle over his criticism of JRRT and just make a hero that is actually heroic. Because of this, he has had "Writer's block" aka he wrote himself into a corner and has to choose between a very unpopular ending which everyone will declare the series as shit, or a refutation of his own worldview where a gallant hero swoops down and saves everyone with their forethought action and moral superiority.

>>25047131
>Tokien made up a language.
He did because he studied languages as a job, and in fact, most of those languages are being worked on or finished by other linguists to this day.
>City of Tuna argument
God forbid the man isn't perfect and have 100% original ideas all the time, like you do.
>It's a Catholic work
I think ultimately it was, he even admits as much in his letters that it was first unconscious and then on reviewed his own work realized a lot of the catholic morality he grew up on was infused into the text. Nothing wrong with that, nothing weird with that.
>fuming over the naming of the Sons of Sons
It's almost like he took it out of the Bible's genealogy where they take a whole chapter just listing family members...

>>25047143
Tolkien fanboys like you don't actually read literature.
You retards consider a 70 year old book as "old literature" and think "old literature" is black and white when even mid tier writers like walter scott were writing morally grey books in the 1810s

>>25047131
seething so badly that all you can do is post meme images isn't criticism

>>25047148
I've yet to hear a single actual criticism outside of seething...

>>25047155
>Writers like Tolkien take you to the edge of the Abyss and point out the excellent tea-garden at the bottom, showing you the steps carved into the cliff and reminding you to be a bit careful because the hand-rails are a trifle shaky as you go down; they haven’t got the approval yet to put a new one in.
>The great epics dignified death, but they did not ignore it, and it is one of the reasons why they are superior to the artificial romances, of which Lord of the Rings is merely one of the most recent.
>The sort of prose most often identified with “high” fantasy is the prose of the nursery-room. It is a lullaby; it is meant to soothe and console. It is mouth-music. It is frequently enjoyed not for its tensions but for its lack of tensions. It coddles; it makes friends with you; it tells you comforting lies. It is soft
>Moderation was the rule and it is moderation which ruins Tolkien’s fantasy and causes it to fail as a genuine romance. The little hills and woods of that Surrey of the mind, the Shire, are “safe”, but the wild landscapes everywhere beyond the Shire are “dangerous”. Experience of life itself is dangerous. The Lord of the Rings is a pernicious con- firmation of the values of a morally bankrupt middle class. Their cowardly, Home Counties habits are primarily responsible for the problems England now faces. The Lord of the Rings is much more deep-rooted in its infantilism than a good many of the more obviously juvenile books it influenced. It is Winnie-the-Pooh posing as an epic.

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>>25047178
>con- firmation
now in your own words this time

>>25047191
Cope

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>>25047194
your replies are a lot shorter when you have to think of them yourself. funny that.

>>25047198
I don't debate people who have never read books written before the year 1900

>>25047178
Thanks ChatGTP!

>>25047203
You weren't talking to me anyway I just decided to poke you for being silly. Thoughts on the Illiad then? I prefer it to the Odyssey.

>>25047205
>an essay written in the 70's was written by chatgpt
ESL retard
>>25047206
>picks the first old book he can think of off wikipedia
Swine

>>25047178
>Moderation was the rule and it is moderation which ruins Tolkien’s fantasy and causes it to fail as a genuine romance.
Holy shit you have no idea what you are talking about...

>>25047211
Hey now, I genuinely enjoy Achilles and Aggy bickering like teenagers.

>>25047211
Yes, you are an ESL retard. Now tell me in your own words and not an AI's.

>>25047213
He's a pseud, notice how long it took him to "type" that then he just continues seething. He has no point, he has no criticism, he is just a thirdie having a bad day.

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>>25047099
>Dune's refute on LotR's universal good vs. evil
Please go and actually read Lord of the Rings instead of parroting opinions you heard from a YouTuber.

>>25047222
See, case in point, he is looking for a Hindi version because he can barely read English.

>>25047221
>>25047219
>>25047213
ESLs mad.
Only respond to me if you've actually read old literature and not kiddiefied disneyfied slop like tolkien.

>>25047222
>>25047225
>>25047226
there is an actual hindi translation of the book if you read it and legitimately thought it was a romance book. seems you missed a lot because of it.

>>25047226
Yes, you are mad and its bizarre.
>>25047221
He confirmed he is Indian, so you called it.

>>25047226
>old literature
you know there's a general for this right?

>>25047226
what's it like having to use the internet through a translation and ai apps?

>>25047229
>ESL retards doesn't understand what a romance is
LMAO
This retarded ESL actually thinks Romance means a love story when Romances were used to refer to the tales of king arthur and roland.
Holy fuck I knew ESLs were retarded but no this retarded
>>25047234
ESL projection

>>25047243
He doesn't because he doesn't speak English, its obvious he doesn't because he acts like a child.
>>25047247
See more seething over nothing, very retarded, very third world like.

>>25047247
>when Romances were used to refer to the tales of king arthur and roland.
anon romance has an actual definition beyond smooching or categorizing books, and neither of you seem to know it.

>>25047247
>doesn't know the difference between chivalic romances and romances
Okay, Rajeet... We'll pretend you're white for your sake...

>>25047247
LMFAO ESL CONFIRMED!
>>25047248
HOW DID YOU KNOW HE WAS ESL SO EASILY?!?!?!?

>>25047248
>>25047252
>esl third worlder mad after being called out proceeds to samefag
Typical
>>25047251
>A story relating to chivalry; a story involving knights, heroes, adventures, quests, etc
That's the dictionary defintion.

>>25047258
romance is about mystery. it's a feeling of intrigue.

>>25047256
>HOW DID YOU KNOW
Easy:
1) Being upset for no reason
2) The fact he takes forever to respond because he is feeding it through a translator
3) The fact he needed an AI to criticize something and the AI fucked it up and got it all wrong
4) The projection by calling others ESL
5) He writes like he is 5 but tries to act like he is an adult.
>>25047258
Tell me more about how you wished the Hobbits were smooching each other, I know its illegal in India to be gay but you're safe here friend! Is that why you don't like LotRs?

>romance, Literary form that developed in the aristocratic courts of mid-12th-century France and had its heyday in France and Germany between the mid-12th and mid-13th century in the works of such masters as Chrétien de Troyes and Gottfried von Strassburg. The staple subject matter is chivalric adventure (see chivalry), though love stories and religious allegories are sometimes interwoven. Most romances draw their plots from classical history and legend, Arthurian legend, and the adventures of Charlemagne and his knights. Written in the vernacular, they share a taste for the exotic, the remote, and the miraculous. Lingering echoes of the form can be found in later centuries, as in the Romanticism of the 18th–19th century and today’s popular romantic novels.
ESLs literally believe romance exclusively refers to a love story. Why are ESL's so retarded?

>>25047121
>>Literally just write a human character and you've written a novel about Phenomenology.
I didnt say that. I dont know what youre talking about.

>>25047265
>(see chivalry)
LMFAO, BETRAYED BY GEMINI AGAIN!!!

>>25047265
The Indian cries out in Hindu as he is wrong once again. He has to go all the way back to a mid-12th century french definition to be right.

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>>25047267
You did say that. See >>25046906

>>25047264
its weird how hard indians try to not be indians yet accuse everyone else of being indian.

>>25046750
I heard that other Hambly's books are mid. Now I'm trying to start reading McKillip's books in order to find something similar (but maybe I will start after the Lyonesse trilogy).

>The AI-using pajeet tries to cope and accuse others of using AI.
ESLs incoherently seething
>Romance is probably the mode of writing that modern audiences most readily associate with the Middle Ages, yet it is a notoriously difficult term to define. Etymologically the term derives from the French romanz, which initially designated the narrative works composed in that vernacular that first appeared in 12th-century France. Texts usually described as “romance” typically concern chivalry, questing, romantic love, and magic. There are also various subgenres that fall under the heading of medieval romance such as the Breton lay and Arthurian romance. Romance arrives in England definitively with the Norman settlers, though a single romance in Old English, Apollonius of Tyre, survives from the years immediately prior to the Norman Conquest. Many of the earliest romances are written in the Anglo-Norman dialect of French, and some of these are translated into Middle English at a later point. Romances in Middle English begin to appear regularly in the mid-14th century, and some of the most famous English romances, Sir Gawain and the Green Knight and the romances included in Geoffrey Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales, for example, are composed at the end of the 1300s.

>>25047272
Point to where it says "Literally just write a human character and youve written a novel about phenomenology"

>>25047265
>It was called Romance in the past so its Romance
Nope, if you live in any sort of modern western country you would know that Chivalic Romance/Chivalic lit/Arthurian Lit is now used to describe the type of story you are talking about. Romance has now deviated to girly kissy novels. You should know this...

>>25047279
pajeet.exe has stopped working
>>25047281
stop, you broke him, he is now just frantically posting stuff about the middle ages as if it still applies today from his google searches lol

This is why more sci fi or any other fantasy is needed in this thread because all i hear is TOLKIEN GOOD, TOLKIEN BAD, TOLKIEN GOOD, TOLKIEN BAD, TOLKIEN GOOD, TOLKIEN BAD, TOLKIEN GOOD, TOLKIEN BAD, TOLKIEN GOOD, TOLKIEN BAD....over and over.

>>25047292
I honestly want to talk about weird sci-fi but either no one has read it or its "shit".

>>25047292
>>25047294
I started reading the Expanse not long ago because I wanted a new long-form story to devour. It was shit tho so...

>>25046057
Whiskeyjack's death pissed me off
I did love the puppet wizard and the sword that holds a god in the first one.

>>25047279
>indians think romance means high adventure
That actually makes sense why there is almost no romance in most Bollywood movies until the end where they kiss...

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>>25047280

>>25047281
If you're a faggot ESL like yourself you do.
>>25047287
ESL gets filtered by medieval literature and decides to start lashing out and seething.

>>25047300
>It was shit tho so...
Yeah... Have you red Footfall or The Mote in God's Eye?

>>25047301
whiskeyjack doesn't even appear in DHG
>>25046057
Kulp was based. Got done dirty.

>>25047303
He is trying to convince use that we didn't move the definition of Romance because his Indian internet told him so.
>>25047306
It's okay to be Indian you know that right? You don't have to be so angry all the time, I'm sure you'll be a good help desk "engineer" when you grow up.

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>>25047294
Give me a recommendation. I read Marrow at the behest of another user a while back.

>>25047307
No but I have been recommended the second, which is rare for me. Is it good?

>>25047294
What titles?
>>25047300
How long we talking?
>>25047316
Hey! I assume you finished it? I thought you never finished and disappeared. I just read one of the author's newer short stories with some deep lore.

>>25047315
It's ok to admit that you've been filtered because you're an ESL who doesn't read older literature or knows anything about the medievla era.

>>25047294

>I honestly want to talk about weird sci-fi but either no one has read it or its "shit"

try me.

>>25047319
>How long we talking?
for me or how long is the series? I like as long as it will go (as long as it stays interesting) and the Expanse is 10 decent sized books plus another dozen or so ancillary novel/las. I'm an MC guy tho and Holden is a whiny faggot who has too many things go right for him and too many people fawning over him.

>>25047304
Those are not the same words. You lack reading comprehension.

>>25047329
For you, like how long are you willing to tolerate or how deep?

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God dammit this thread is even more retarded than usual. Popped in after being gone for a day holy hell.
So anyways I'm trying to read more middle eastern type fantasy recently. I read >>25044266 Now I am almost done with Tad Williams novella Children of the Ancient City. I wanted to try the Liavek books next. They seem really unique, not just in world but way the stories are created. Anyone read them or can recommend other stories in this area?

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>>25047335
I don't have a limit brobro. I need an overarching plot, no slice of life shit, but as long as it has that I can go as far as it takes to finish the circle.

>>25047316
see >>25047307
If you want communist (as in USSR written) sci-fi Red Star is also pretty good. Keep in mind its written by a true believer.
>>25047319
>What titles?
>>25047328
>try me.

Have you guys read:
A Fire Upon the Deep
Rediscovery of Man
A Doomed City (Another USSR sci-fi book or at least set in that era)
Childhood's End
Second Dawn (sequel to Childhood's End)

>>25047317
Forgot to reply, I liked it but it's also very weird if you're okay with reading a weird book that poses a very obvious moral question but is more focused on the fallout of the choice and its effect on Humanity

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>>25047350
Sounds interesting enough, and being recommended the same book twice may as well be serendipity for me. Thanks chief.

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>>25047319
Yes, I thought we talked about it a while back. I remember you telling me to kill myself because I used a kindle to read it. Good times. It wasn't really my thing, but it was at least interesting.

>>25047346
I think one of those Niven titles is at my local bookstore, so I'll pick it up next time I go there. I did not like Ringworld, though.

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>>25047346
Nice list, i'll reccomend these if you havent read yet:
Feersum Endjinn, Ian M. Banks
Stations of the Tide, Michael Swanwick
Blood Music, Greg Bear
White Light, Rudy Rucker
The Inverted World, Christopher Priest
The Fifth Head of Cerberus, Gene Wolfe
Ubik, Phillip K. Dick
The Final Programe, Michael Moorcock

>>25047392
I use a kindle so that doesn't sound like me lol but I'm glad you at least thought it was interesting. I believe its sequel Well of Stars to be one of my favorite written pieces of scifi so maybe throw it on your backlog for the far future if you need something a few years down the line I don't know.

>>25047313
He does at the very end like a hero trips over his own feet breaks his leg shits himself and dies.
I've heard that the book was based off of a gurps game and I get the feeling that the character that whiskey Jacks was based off of had some unfortunate roles

>>25047346

I have read A Fire Upon the Deep and Childhood's End. Both fantastic novels. Wouldn't really call them weird except for some of the aliens appearing in the first and the you know who in the second.

I just finished reading The Rose Field (a tad late I must admit) and I enjoyed it, for the most part. Was there discussion here around when it released?

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What the fuck were their fucking problem?

>>25047514
Why the fuck do you expect us to know what you're talking about? We don't all have your niche autistic fetish.

>>25047457
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search&search_text=%22The+Rose+Field%22

Just finished a Fire Upon the Deep. It was good, but a bit long for what it was. I've seen the book get some hate in these threads from time to time. What's the beef?

>>25047727
Are there actually any even slightly popular books that don’t have some kind of obsessive hater here?

>>25046912
For example, the 'Counterpoint View' is a Borges pastiche, but it is so short, it is hard to say if it has any effect on me at all. It is essentially three pages of 'the author is the reader, and the reader is the author', along with a reference to Shakespeare & Psalm 46. Maybe I am a midwit, but I really don't know what else I am supposed to take away from it.

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>once upon a time this elf chick fell in love with a human man and the human man got injured and died and the elf chick was so sad and cried so much that the gods literally changed the laws of nature concerning death and made a single exception about mortality because this one lady was sad her boyfriend died
I love The Silmarillion but that was probably the most nonsensical part of the whole thing.

>>25047300
I've got pretty shit taste and can typically read anything but the Expanse elicited such a vehement negative reaction from me that I've not experienced with any other work in my life.

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>>25044072
Kino

I refuse to try The Expanse because it has an evil corporation that does pointlessly psychotic things for no good reason, and also doesn't use AI.

That's not the mindset I want in scifi.

>>25048133
have you never loved?

>>25048157
bluntly speaking it doesnt seem like most people on gods green earth have any love in their hearts today

>>25048133
I actually like that. What I fucking HATED was that 2 fucking HOBBITS were allowed to go the Undying Lands.

>>25048133
That's basically the plot to Pokemon: The First Movie and that movie was a cinematic masterpiece to me as a kid.

>>25048206
Why? They touched the Ring and lived, and Frodo sustained spiritual damage that the Undying Lands could heal. Same doesn't go until later in life but I ever wonder if he returned since he ended up having a family.

>>25048227
Then Smeagols soul should also be allowed

>>25047514
DEAD WINTER REIGNS

>>25048252
He's dead though...

>>25048272
just beam his soul down to valinor

>>25048278
By the time he becomes Golem he no longer has a soul

>>25048252
>murders his cousin before he even touches The Ring

Is trying to write SF/fantasy worth it in le current year? How hard is it to break in to?

>>25048295
you have to do it for enjoyment. if you want money write erotic sf/fantasy for women

>>25048303
I doubt I'd ever succeed enough to make a lot of money. My thing is that I've been building a fictional setting, partly out of boredom, partly to toy with some philosophical and theological ideas I've been thinking about, and I want to tell a story that's set in it in some way. Not so much love of the game as just wanting to relieve pressure from thinking about this thing all the time without having anyone to tell about it.

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>>25048133
>Frodo, did I ever tell you about the forbidden love of a she elf and a young dwarf during The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug in 3D? They were a good friend.

>>25048305
ok so do it. If you have to ask though if its even worth it you shouldn't even start.

>>25047346
>>25047431
>Childhood's End
I hated the moral of this novel. "Just give up your kids to the devil, I promise he'll do something good with them, just quit asking questions."

>>25048295
You want to make a living at it? Either write disgusting porn, or have a rich friend in the industry who gives you a career. And don't bother if you're a fuckin' white male; you will not succeed.

>>25047313
>Got done dirty
I thought it was a fakeout death with how random and pointless it was.

>>25048133
So Tolkien had a massive race traitor fetish, huh?

>>25044072
Any high fantasy from the last 20 years with a lot of magic and epicness?

>>25044214
>>25044276
>>25044536
Egan doesn't boast particularly hard concepts (although they are interesting), he's just very, very, very bad at conveying those concepts. Almost uniquely so. Some fans say he's a genius who is very hard to understood is you're below 400 IQ, but that's simply not true. All of the difficulty in parsing Egan comes from his lack of skill in conveying his concepts, not from the complexity of those concepts. He becomes immensely easier to digest if you have a lot of experience reading unskilled authors.

>>25044671
> i still can't entirely comprehend the dust theory.
There ain't much to comprehend. It's literally schizo even in the story (Durham is mentally ill), but for the sake of the plot happening it turns out to be schizo and also true.

>>25044919
>Wasn't it something like if you wanted to simulate a human brain/consciousness it doesn't need to be computed in a specific order.
This, only not just for human mind, but for literally any form of information, and not just for order of computations, but for the medium as well - anything that can compute on anything ever IS computed in, essentially, the world of Platonic forms. It doesn't really explain why Durham and Deluca needed to code a state of their solipsistic universe in TVC in order for it to exist, beyond a reference to GoE states, but they needed something to do in that chapter anyhow.

>>25045415
Lem
Dick
Egan
Watts
Strugatsky bros

Not GTFO

>>25047644
>/sffg/
>didn't read Silmarillion
Yiiiikes

>>25048206
They only went to Tol Eressea, and only because they were ringbearers of the One Ring.

>>25048206
>What I fucking HATED was that 2 fucking HOBBITS were allowed to go the Undying Lands.
So what? By that point the Undying Lands are just a comfy place where they can heal. It's not like they were taken to the Halls of Mandos, and even those kinda suck.

thanks for the Void Star recommendation last thread, I have been really enjoying it (I'm about 50% through). The story is meh so far but the author is really trying to emulate Gibson, so it's a fun read. Hoping that it picks up!

Planning on going back to Murakami for the cozy vibes after I finish this one

>>25048157
I don't believe in love.

>>25048931
you will eventually find one anyway :)

>>25048542
>He becomes immensely easier to digest if you have a lot of experience reading unskilled authors.
No one wants to waste time getting "a lot of experience" reading "unskilled" authors.

>>25048918
nice, you are welcome! and yes I agree, plot is fine but he's got that "slick and fast" writing like Gibson that I enjoy. the world he's built truly feels ice cold too - I like that. have you read Murakami's South of the Border, West of the Sun. I humbly recommend that to you as well

>>25049009
Tell him, brother! If you don't only read Tolkein or GRRM then you don't belong in this thread.

i have outrage fatigue

why do mormons have such a chokehold on scifi/fantasy? Do I need to convert in order to get published?

>>25049009
>No one wants to waste time getting "a lot of experience" reading "unskilled" authors
I never suggested that anyone should do that.

>>25047132
Just read Red Rising unc. Do you really expect people to care about your old shit? We want to read stories that are actually part of our own zeitgeist and feel relevant to us.

>still no Red God news
STOP FUCKING GRRMING US

>>25047742
Fair enough

>>25049155
Same reasons Jews dominate Hollywood, blacks dominate basketball, Vietnamese dominate nail salons and Indians own every cheap motel. If a demographic group establishes a strong foothold early on and practices preferential hiring, they'll tend to capture the industry.

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New Kane print, when?

>>25049247
Never
KEWs estate is intent only on re releasing kane in expensive hardbacks

>>25049247
>>25049248
I will buy used Kane paperbacks on eBay for less-than-ideal prices thank you very much!

>>25044805
I loved it. I got recommended it here and I don't regret picking it up. I've reread it twice since then.

>>25049155
It wouldn't hurt. Mormons are only going to become more entrenched in various sectors of the economy because they're one of the only demographics in the US with a well above replacement birth rate. You'd definitely have more of a future networking within the LDS than, say, woke feminist circles, who are already past their peak of cultural relevance.

>>25048295
I've been sending queries for agent representation since November. All rejections. Now, this isn't anything crazy, especially since 3 months is a very short span of time in the world of publishing but I've gotten literally 0 constructive feedback from any of the agents. So the real problem is that you never know if they're actually reading your submissions or not or whether you should do something different in the way your pitching your story. I say go for it but always do research on the agent you're sending your query to. 90% of them are self proclaimed feminists and lgbtq representation, etc. so you're better off sending to agents that at least appear neutral.

>>25049315
Just say your book evokes feminism and gay shit nobody is reading it anyway so may as well throw that out there

>>25049315
To add to this, always read the submission guidelines for whoever you're submitting to and follow them exactly. If you don't submit in the correct fashion, following the formatting rules they want, they won't even read your query letter, let alone your manuscript. This means you have to be willing to tailor your letter and manuscript for each agent if necessary, which you should anyway when doing your patter. Make it clear you've researched the agent and who've they've represented in the past.

>>25047648
So no is the answer. What did people think? I guess not much worth saying, based on the lack of additional responses to my post.

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>read fantasy kino
>it's a lonesome white male traveler gets his bones jumped by the adoring lithe brown native girl he saved scene
i have a couple of these but i need more

>>25049538
The movie Pocahontas.

>>25049538
The porn movie Poke A Hotass

>>25049549
kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC2In6j2haI

>>25049538
Share titles faggot

>Reading Assassin's Apprentice for the first time
>Near the end of the book
>Fitz is directly warned by the Fool that when he goes to this new city to poison a prince they will try to poison him and that he shouldn't eat
>Goes to the city
>Immediately eats without thinking
>Doesn't realize he's been poisoned until hours later

Is Fitz fucking retarded?

>>25048155

You would be correct. After that corporation's arc there are other pointlessly psychotic antagonists too, all the characters in the series are very shallow/retarded/boring.

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>reading Memories of Ice
>just got to the big meeting after Capustan
>mfw Itkovian denies himself
This guy is the fucking man. Breaks my heart to see him like this. I hope he finds a better end than Coltaine.