Advanced guide on writing:
Just do it.

Theme: https://youtu.be/hiRacdl02w4

Wish me luck

>>25059978
Great job outing yourself, retard.

>>25060037
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Only retard so far's been OP

Do you think anyone will be able to tell I'm just writing a heavily watered down version of The Crying of Lot 49?

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pls critique (wrote it a year ago)

>>25059976
Is there a thread somewhere for screenwriters?

>>25060534
Occasionally there's an /swg/ on /tv/, but that board is too fast for it to stay alive more than a day.

>>25060308
there's plenty to work through at a sentence level, but i can't really tell what you were going for. this was intentionally "stylized", yea?

>>25060534
>>25060667
Anyone use storyboarding software?

>>25061242
I use my mind

All this work improving my craft and I've still never written anything more successful than the erotica I wrote in high school

Why is there so much AI slop in the writing community? From actual writing itself, to AI art, AI-prompted feedback/critique etc

>>25061440
>Why is there so much AI slop in the writing community? From actual writing itself, to AI art, AI-prompted feedback/critique etc
Writing slop exists because everyone is obsessed with speed. People want to feel productive without actually sitting in a chair and doing the hard work. Writing used to be a slow process but now anyone can push a button to generate hundreds of words that look real but say absolutely nothing. It is a volume game where the goal is to flood every corner of the internet with generic text to grab a few clicks before the reader notices it is hollow. This has ruined feedback too. Giving a real critique takes a lot of mental energy because you have to find the one good sentence in a bad draft. Most writers just want a quick pat on the back so they use AI as a yes man. It gives them shallow praise and they walk away feeling like they accomplished something when they actually just consumed empty calories.

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>>25059976
do you ever write something that is intended to be taken one way, but people reviewing it frequently think of it another way?

>>25061440
Because there are far more people that are interested in the idea of being an author than actually becoming one.

You'll soon get people saying they're authors even after extensive AI use

>>25059976
Finally had a workflow going on my Mac and iPad just to have updated Pages on my iPad and now it's just being obsessively annoying with ai suggestions. I liked the convenience of the cloud but if Apple is going to destroy their free software I need either a way to revert or alternatives.

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>>25061554
Come home, White man.

>>25061575
I have and use Linux for general use, but for writing I found Pages with an iPad exceptionally helpful. Doing illustrations and stuff was also really helpful. I take it you use LibreOffice?

>>25061605
oh, I don't write.

>>25061641
Yeah, we know, threadshitter.

>no one has posted their ao3 or wattpads
Are none of you men?
Where are your balls. Let me read your fanfictions

>>25061440
Massive quantities can be produced with zero effort and low/no cost nearly instantly.
It's hard to filter out, especially since most ai bros are literally scammers in mindset so intentionally bypass or ignore anti ai policies. So they can and do spam their valueless shit to inhuman extremes to push out human made "content" in the hopes of tricking people into consuming their slop so they can use the attention economy to get rich quick without effort or skill.

We are living in the scam economy where everything is a fucking scam or rip off.

>>25061777
I have never and likely will never write fan fiction.

>>25059976
How do you keep a story pumping through the mushy middle? I have a well driven first and last third but the middle sags imo. I think I need to keep the stakes turning with a tweaked chapter or two without going and removing all that I already have. How do you do it?
>inb4 idk lol

>>25061818
>inb4 idk
Well yah,
It would help to have some samples or to know more about the story.

>>25061803
There are plenty of good fanfics out there that are not smut or self insert OCs.
Fallout Equestria comes to mind immediately. The same, Methods of Rationality-- that one started a cult though.

>>25061818
Specific plot points must happen at specific points.
>The catalyst at 10%
>The midpoint at 50%
>The 'all is lost' at 75%

Readers are already hypnotized to expect certain hits at certain points.
https://savethecat.com/genre-mapper
Keywords to research are neuro narrativotology and trope density.

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>>25060308
The first sentence is fucking borked as hell, my dude.
It's doing 3 things at once.
Don't start your story with a name if you're going to drown it under a run-on sentence.

Learn how rewrite your sentences in hyperbaton to see if you're overloading it. When you make yoda read it, you learn to appreciate brevity more. You don't need to remove details, you need to pace out your sentences.

(I only read the first sentence, I'm not going to continue if that's how you start.)

>>25061818
Figure out how your story's gears are meshing together.
Do a classic "a happens so b happens then c happens so d happens" plot chain.
I usually see mushy middles happen because the author has lost focus on the mechanisms of their story. Look at your chapter from above and know why it exists in the gear train of your story. There is no such thing as a "downtime" chapter, even rests need to mesh together.
If you're still feeling the chapter reading like it's thick, it probably is. I like to read chapters paragraph by paragraph backwards. Read the last paragraph, then to the one before. Really lay bare what each paragraph is supposed to be building towards.

>>25061909
That sort of schlocky advice. Show me your prose, you sound like you write like a workhorse.

Thinking about going to traditional book route because I hate adhering to a schedule, but my story is firmly in the progression fantasy genre even though it has heavy focus on philosophical elements. Is it even viable?

Just dont write alot, it allows u to tumble and polish ideas in ur head if u dont

I let all my ideas marinate for a few years before writing them out

>>25062340
Who knows? Webnovel readers tend not to go for actual books and actual readers tend not to go for webnovel-type books but who knows.

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What do you guys think about writing a second person novel. And what if I tell everything rather than showing.

>write 11k words over the entirety of last year
>this year decide to actually focus on it, before work forces me to go back to the office full time
>at 36k words after January
It's actually progressing along nicely, I wish I had a whiteboard to write key points on, would probably be less annoying than alt-tabbing every now and then

I got kicked out of my writing group for using the word “ravished.” One young woman in the group was once sa’d and so seeing the word upset her. I tried to explain that I wasn’t using it to describe grape but how passionate, borderline animalistic, the characters were together. No matter how much I insisted they just look up the word’s meaning they said that I was writing violent, misogynistic filth without the courtesy of properly warning people. Then they told me to leave. I want to unalive myself now.

I've expanded my 8k word novelette to 13k words. We're reaching novella status!

>>25060667
Thanks. I'll watch for that thread.
>>25061242
I recently discovered Causality (https://www.hollywoodcamerawork.com/). A huge point in its favor is it runs on Linux.

>>25062641
This never happened but if it had your creative spirit would be better off away from those people

>>25062700
>I'll watch for that thread.
Might be a while, we just had one yesterday that died with only like 10 replies. Usually it's at least a week before the next one will take off, if not a month. That board doesn't host very many creatives

>>25062732
Any recommendations of places to chat with other screenwriters?

>>25062318
it gets good after the first paragraph, I promise

>>25060684
could you be more specific? are they 'borked' (whatever that means) like the other anon said? I think my vocabulary and clarity may need some working on , though

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>>25061803
>I have never and likely will never write fan fiction.

You're limiting yourself. A lot of the writer block that people go through pertains to what to write about and about whom to write about. First exercise in writing class was to write a scene using characters that have already been developed. Place that character in an ordinary life scene.

I'm a fan of the Breaking Bad Universe, so I placed the character, Gus Fring (the methamphetamine kingpin) in an ordinary scene of getting into a car accident. It's kind of a hack to get you writing.

Other scenes by other students (as I remember):
1. Superman goes shopping at whole foods.
2. another one-that got the prize of most funny and intersting: Carl Sagan the famous writer of science fiction and also an Athiest dies, and is in line at the Pearly Gates gated community, waiting to meet God at his judgement day.

Those few stories/writing exercise ideas
i saved in my head. I'm not saying write fan fiction, but it's good to play around characters you are familiar with.

The next topic we went over was fleshing out your characters in your short stories or novel ideas. Some used index cards, or print outs with traits, race and proclivities. I know a girl who has published 1 story in New Yorker that uses computers to create an image of a person. This was like 2015 or so before prompts became a thing. The website creates an image of a person's face using parts of faces from thousands of faces. I think i have it book marked on my other computer.

Maybe this board needs a general thread-with a cool acronym-about misplaced characters or something in regular life. In fact, isn't Aberaham Lincoln a vampire hunter now? Vampires are not regular, but you get the idea: complex characters in ordinary life or vice versa.

Attached image, just a funny recent news article, not related to topic.

>>25062700
>Causality
looks interesting, I'll have a go at it. What I'm looking for is something like: color coded character boxes, click on the character box, and have the characters traits and motivations available, then be able to drag/drop character into another box that indicates a scene. So two characters get dragged into a location box. Then a built in editor to write the scene. Also no proprietary db for the information. Maybe a comma delimited character file. I wonder if open office has a postit note add-on for written fiction. Sadly, the tried and true postit note on cardboard is out of reach to me currently, because of some medical issues that I'm dealing with, so seated with laptop is my only go to option available.

>>25062641
I was banned from a group once because I said "Sony's business practice is economically retarded"
People genuinely don't understand words have multiple meanings

>>25062845
>Sony's business
? who is Sony? the audio comp or the mafia character? or someother?

>>25062845
That didn’t happen, either.

>EVERYBODY I WROTE 15K WORDS TODAY
>14,500 words of exposition

>>25062761
>It's kind of a hack to get you writing.
You're kind of like a hack that shouldn't be writing.

>>25062709
>>25063034
>libtards don't exist chud!!!
quit the cap

>>25063295
>You're kind of like a hack that shouldn't be writing.
i disagree. everyone should write if they want. This bread is about getting people to fill up that blank page. Accentuate the positive! Please copy/paste something so that we can all contribute our ideas.

>>25063318
I strongly disagree. Virtually no one that writes should. Filling blank pages for the sake of it is exactly the problem and toxic positivity is a root cause.

>>25062340
How difficult are the sentences to read?

>>25062498
There are a lot of (You) second person stories. There are readers who like it that way.

>Imagine
Harry Styles: hey, y/n. I saw you reading that Colleen Hoover novel and I was just wondering if it was good or not?
Y/n: yea, i lik it alot
Harry Styles: wow, y/n. You have really great taste in books
>Harry Stylez gets close to your air and whisper
Harry Stylez: you've got that one thing

Please rate

>>25062761
Ao3Gen would be based

>>25063305
Are the libtards here with us now?

>>25063439
they're not on 4chan, they're in irl book clubs/writing clubs and other social media sites

>>25063532
Please tell me more about these spaces you rarely inhabit

>>25063533
Sure, what would you like to know?

>>25063547
I'd like to know nothing, which is why I'm asking you

>>25063563
>I'd like to know nothing
You're already there.

Do you guys pay attention to your iambs, trochees, dactyls, anapests and forth while writing?
Im writing some gay erotica and Im exhausting myself tweaking lines and paragraphs to keep a rhythm.

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>an entire sitcom about a 29 year old woman who fucked a 17 year old teenage dude and got pregnant
>You know 100% a gender flipped version would never fly
So is writing a male teenager with an adult woman completely acceptable to mainstream audiences?

>>25063844
it's always sad when the attentionwhores don't even know how to attentionwhore properly
make it its own thread, dumbass. this thread is slow as fuck

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>68k word first draft finished in 21 days
Satisfied but tired now since I wrote 9k words today alone. Now comes the actually hard part of editing kek

>>25063676
No that sounds incredibly exhausting. Write from the bottom of your little faggot heart, and edit later. Your natural voice will have a cadence of its own. If you overanalyze while writing it you'll get filtered before you get anywhere imo

If you ever feel insecure about your writing, just watch the Star wars sequels

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/oJGknviQ4Cc?feature=share

>>25063844
Yes because life is full of double standards like that. True equality is something people pretend at having, but it's just a social agreement that flies out the window on daily basis.

>>25063927
The world is not ready for this faggots stream of consciousness

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Has anyone here ever come across a book written in the format of a historical newspaper?

Basically, one where the book is presented as an anthology of pieces from a fictional newspaper. News reports, opinions, investigatives, editorials, obituaries, what have you. Yes, I am thinking of churning out an entire archive of samizdat. Bored of narrators innit.

>>25060308
Drop the big fucking words man. It's just baggage that the reader is forced to carry.
>paternal obnoxiousness
>circumferential
>neutralised
>crossing the line of injustice
>the blood for the instinct of brotherhood
Always prefer the short Saxon word over the long Latin one, and divide your sentences into two or three clauses rather than five or six. On a positive note, I loved some of your simpler turns of phrase. ("An unlikely prison", "secretly considered the bravest", "what her deal or name was".) Just go for smaller words, smaller sentences.

>>25064187
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistolary_novel

Have you ever read Dracula?

>>25064196
Yes, it's not quite what I mean. That's an assortment of various sources and formats of writing following a specific story, of which news articles are just one sort.
I was thinking rather of something that presents itself as simply a reprint of a singular newspaper or other periodic publication, as it covered the general existence, concerns, and slices-of-life in a fictional area.

>>25062752
sorry, i havent been around... if you still are:
the formatting, style, etc. is not standard. it's unusual and therefore distracting. if you're going for some effect, fine; (but) everything outside of the norm should be purposeful.
if you don't read novels/short stories, you need to (in order to) form some frame of reference. otherwise we can't really be expected to give you practical feedback. i mean, we could go on intuition but if we're working w/ the same foundations it'd be ideal.

>>25063676
you should do this all intuitively

>>25064204
>That's not quite what I mean is (an epistolary novel)
ok buddy

>>25064187
>Drop the big fucking words man.
>>paternal obnoxiousness
>>circumferential
>>neutralised
>>crossing the line of injustice
>>the blood for the instinct of brotherhood
I didn't think any of those were big. I think your critique is more of a personal preference thing. there is no reason in preferring saxon to latin. the part about the sentence length though I get.
>On a positive note, I loved some of your simpler turns of phrase
thank you!

>>25064317
yes the style is intentional. you may see parallels between it and One Hundred Years of Solitude, as that was the book I was reading at the time. I was partial to its straight-forward, historical, tell-it-how-it-is style of narration. but otherwise I need you to be more specific with what about the style makes reading it so distracting. do you mind giving me an example excerpt and detail its unbecoming qualities?
and I don't really understand what you mean by that last part.

>>25064187
>ne where the book is presented as an anthology of pieces from a fictional newspaper. News reports, opinions, investigatives, editorials, obituaries, what have you.
War with the Newts is exactly what you are looking for, specifically the second part

>>25064548
>there is no reason in preferring saxon to latin
I should've clarified that it's more an issue of simplicity rather than etymology. Being able to say "hometown" instead of "the village of his origin" (just an example) while still preserving the potency of the sentence.
I can't speak for the other anon as to why he finds the style distracting, but for me a big part was the vocabulary choices. Unless you're doing this intentionally for a specific stylistic goal, it risks leading to ordinary readers focusing more on your writing than the story/content it's enclosing.

>>25064554
Thank you! I'll check it out.

>>25064409
>understands a question
>able to help
>spergs out on label/category point instead
The Reddit is pungent with this one.

What’s with the absurd waiting period for short story querying? I am looking at the response time for some of them and they are around from a month to 3 months.

The shortest one I have seen is 3 days and that was for Clarkesworld magazine. Speaking of Clarkesworld, what in the world do they accept even? Do they even like fantasy and science fiction?

>>25064548
you're telling me it's intentional; yet you're asking for specifics. surely you can deduce this on your own. but,
you have 1/3 page paragraphs, non-standard formatting, it's all telling (as you intended...)-- but besides all this, the phrasing is awkward as hell (ESL?). i could probably nitpick every single line. but you wrote this a year ago and you're a new man now.

>>25064736
Even the obscure ones are flooded with more writers submitting their trunk stories than they have readers. And you're supposed to read some of their recent publications to learn more about what they're likely to accept. If you'd done that for Clarkesworld you'd know that they only accept trash.

>>25064736
With AI, lots of jeets keep churning out random writings and hope to get a few extra dollars. They'll even say they did not write with AI. They don't care. And it takes a long time to shift through it

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I've expanded into mosaic novella territory.

If anyone is interested in beta reading, the call is still open. It's a mosaic novella grit-lit fever dream piece about the people of the dying and drug-crippled Appalachian Rust Belt.

carlvandine@proton.me

>>25064548
>Saxan vs Latinates
So, when Hitler wrote Mein Kempf, he did so in Patton Deutsche (Platonic German)
He used a older style of writing and mostly limited himself to one syllable words and short sentences. People criticize it as a rant, but it all seems to be rhetorical decisions by the author that WORKED.
>When a German reads Mein Kempf, their ancestral soul is reading the words.

Latin is full of transitive verbs and nominalizations of thoughtforms like we create the egregore Anxiety from just anxious thoughts.

>>25064409
This. Its the found footage of writ.
Maybe anon is esl or just really wants to be original so he's denying reality

>>25064705
I'd go even more patton Saxon. In place of 'hometown' I'd say 'returning to my kin-folks' or choose a physical location or trait to the area call that the home.

>>25062827
This is an extremely specific feature that doesn't exist in current screenwriting software. The good news is this is something you can certainly build with AI.

>>25064409
>>25065001
>yes, I too see that the guy calmly asking about a writing format is esl and DENYING REALITY, you're so smart my fellow anon
People can see when you samefag here, lmao. I thought you were just an innocently retarded reddit tourist, not that you were also so socially frustrated that you feel pressured to reply to yourself for the illusion of validation.

Look at >>25064554 who gave me a book rec, I'm combing through it rn on Z-Lib and it's a very insightful example of the format I was curious about. That's an example of a person useful to other people and to society. Be like that other anon.

>>25065005
>Saxon
>"returning"
Nope. This technique might be workable in German (still ~85% native vocabulary I believe?) but English feels a hopeless case unless you pack the text with artificial OE revivals.

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>>25065328
>im on /lit/ so i am smart

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spent an hour staring at the screen without writing anything again

>>25065388
In addendum, you asked for a name to the format, I supplied it.
Then another anon suggested a title that falls under the epistatory category.
That is what it is called.

>>25062641
Yeah, progressives are a bane of artistic expression these days. Women self-inserting themselves in men's entertainment has been a catastrophe. They constantly fuck up settings with their overt inclusivity bullshit, making no attempts to make the worldbuilding feel organic.

The only writer's group I have is this general

>>25065553
same

You may hate my book, but at least AI likes it.

>>25065553
>>25065636
It's sadly the realty that a there are few if any legitimate, intellectually honest writers' groups anymore. They're bound to be so inundated by "leftists" and "progressives" that they're just barely disguised echo chambers turned struggle sessions when challenged, concerned with critical theory and limiting free expression rather than art or craft. I don't particularly care what anyone'ss politics or views are, and I'm happy to be challenged, but that's not what I wrote about, and I won't tolerate every reading and discussion being turned to micro aggressions and the critical theory of why everything I say is homophobic and racist and mysogynist because I was born a straight white male by no choice of my own. I don't know why anyone would tolerate that.

>>25065686
I'm more than likely indifferent to your book

>>25065781
I wrote Victoria

>>25065841
I didn't hate it, I just couldn't even get you to write even a sentence about it that would make me want to read it. Therefore, indifference.

Do you think there could be a CIA operative named Victoria?

>>25065841
But I wrote Victoria.

>>25065841
Yours is the worst kind of slop. It's not the blantatly ignorant kind with egregious spelling and grammatical errors and run-on sentences. It's the kind that, while technically sound, has nothing to add to the ongoing conversation of literature. There's nothing to discuss about it beside its execution. It's not art.

>>25065924
>engaging with art
lol.

>>25065924
storytelling predates art (as you know it) by maybe 200,000 years

Funnily... I think my sister's middle name might be Victoria. Idk for sure.

>>25066071
Yeah that's not funny

>>25065686
Do you think we simply need to use AI to write now? It speeds up research, it gives instant feedback, it is good for bouncing ideas off of.
Gemini has a writing editor "gem"

For the likes of Brandon Sanderson, AI is actually competition at putting out filler books for people to read just because its new.
Everything he writes is so formulaic thay an AI actually can do the same job he does. Same goes for James Patterson and Tom Clancy.

>>25066242
No you don't need AI to write, but there's definitely benefits to using it. AI does twists very poorly and loves fantasy. No matter what genre I try to put in, it defaults to fantasy.

>>25066242
The issue with it's research is it gives a very general idea. You can't really get into depth

By an ad

If you written a book and nobody read it, did you really write one?

>>25066563
A human baby sitting the model, a human rewriting the sentences, and a human contributing their own sentences fixes a lot of that

>>25067185
at that point you may as well write it yourself

I fucking hate AI.

I posted some redditor's excerpt and compared it with mine, and the AI said the redditor's was better. I can't believe a redditor's writing is better than mine.

>>25067424
Idk man, I had Gemini rewrite an excerpt from Age of Scropio by Audra/Milo Winter and I think it did a lot better
>The magic didn't just appear; it arrived in a chord. A low, cello-deep thrum vibrated against my ribs, painting the air in wet, translucent gold. It wasn’t a color I saw with my eyes, but a frequency I felt in my teeth.
>Then came the scent, crashing over the sound wave: the sharp, green bite of pine needles crushed underfoot, tangled with the copper-penny taste of fresh blood. Underneath it all sat the heavy, cloying sweetness of funeral lilies. Pine. Iron. Bloom. The sensory input wasn't a list; it was a symphony, and it was playing my nervous system like a instrument.
It obviously messed up with *the sensory input wasn't a list* which was the criticism of Audra's book. A human can just fix that though. It speeds the whole process up.

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I only find the motivation to write when I insert my fetish (thinly veiled). But uuh this story is meant to be uhh a critique of capitalism figuratively and literally represented by a giant foot and uhh passing your prime and stuff. Anyway enjoy its not too bad and i tried making it funny. Oh sorry the format wrote it on my phone for the past hour

>>25063844
Sounds like the most inane hangup ever even by sitcom standards

YOU WONT BELIEVE WHATS THIS SHOW ABOUT. A MAN WITH BROWN HAIR FINDING A WOMAN WITH GREENE EYES ATTRACTIVE. NEXT WEEK ON HBO

>>25067473
You aren't alone anon. My faggy rugby erotica is about the rape of the English Language after the Battle of Hastings and uses elements like Caterbury as a brand of Rugby jerseys to connect to Canterbury tales and Chaucer's English but to a lay man they might think it was smut about a coach molesting his player. We all work our fetishises into our written works.

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>>25067424
>I posted some redditor's excerpt and compared it with mine

why not post it here? the excerpts? maybe a snippet if too large. As another anon said in this bread. we are your "writing group".

Speaking of writing groups, yes, alot contain lefty and libs, but you can find similarly minded writers. I'm not saying /pol/ level, but maybe /pol/ lite? pro tip: if you have a character say the things while in character, you can get away with it.

>>25067473
>this story is meant to be uhh a critique of capitalism
Dropped.

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Sup /lit/, launched my site around a month ago where I've been steadily uploading my writing from 2024 onwards. It's bare bones, but I'm proud of it. Check it out, brahs: https://notters.monster/home
Also, does anybody know of any good linguistics forums for a variety of old languages? I need it for research. I've already got institution emails on my list for me to contact, but the more resources I've got, the better

>>25064946
I like the descriptions in here, I actually think you could indulge in the Collinsworth environs way more before settling on John as the focus, especially considering he's introduced as a guy who seems propelled more by his surroundings than anything internally realized, at least in this excerpt. It'd match your synopsis about the novella's overarching narrative regarding the Rust Belt, too. What you've got in these paragraphs builds a solid foundation towards that, but I think its strengths would be served better if something like the school's dilapidation or the city's shit infrastructure was placed and expounded more at the forefront before the cigarette company's even mentioned.

>>25067473
I like the ending. The whole thing reminds me of >>14033105

>>25067581
It's not even about saying "/pol/ level" stuff. It's impossible to have a conversation with someone who reframes everything you say into the context of bigotry and why you're guilty of it.

How can I make sure something interesting happens in a chapter?

>>25068089
Something interesting should be happening every paragraph. Hell, every sentence. Every single word should be interesting down to each letter

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>>25067510
I mean rape -while crass and extreme- can work as a 'regular' plot device. Never seen a giantess successfully integrated into a story as just a plot device it immediately screams fetish. Only thing coming close is male giants as part of a fantasy story.

Post your story
>>25067582
sorry, forgot what subreddit I am on, I meant socialism will you read it now?
>>25067661
>I like the ending, reminds me of...
Thanks, cant see the post you are quoting

>>25062761
>You're limiting yourself.
I have thousands of my own ideas.
It is not a limitation to not work within the boundaries of someone else's shit.

>>25068089
Make sure there's conflict. If there isn't any, make some. If you don't know how, introduce an asshole character who is mean and petty for absolutely zero reason.

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Where did you stop reading?

>>25068366
It helps just to get readers. They search for Omegasverse Twilight fanfic so if you write it or you write stuff with incest, rape, age taboo and forth then you will get readers.

>>25068477
Is this a chapter from your book or meant as a short story? I fell asleep, because why should i care about some german roasties guarding gold. Start with alberich conniving to kill these cunts to get the gold. If this is meant as a bog standard fantasy story for somebody else to read try making it simplier in language and increase the pacing. Fantasy is for retards (I read fantasy)

>>25067661
>but I'm proud of it. Check it out, brahs: https://notters.monster/home
Sorry maybe I am too much of a drooling retard, but can you summarize what's it about? I tried 3 times before giving up and dont care to try yet again, are both stories linked to each other?

>>25068587
It's a novelization of Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle. I can start with him leering them and thinking how wonderful their bosoms would feel

>>25068992
>It's a novelization of Richard Wagner's Ring Cycle.
ZZZZZ

>come across a call for submissions
>someone is publishing an anthology of short stories based on a novel that's 50 years old
>hey, I can crack out a short story in a week, let's go.
>decide to reread the novel because I havent read it since I was 12
>every now and then come across some of the most horrendously unapologetic slurs: retard, nigger, faggot, etc., sometimes in caps lock, said by bad characters and the good ones, sometimes casually, sometimes in anger.
>which I don't mind. I'm a big boy.
>the call for submissions clearly states submissions will be "instantly rejected" if they contain "slurs or derogatory language"
>did these niggers even read the novel they're making an anthology off of?
Not that I planned on spewing any niggers in my submission or anything, but why does the author get away with that shit but if I slip in one little "faggot" my whole story risks being thrown out?

>>25069362
See now, if this story were true you would've simply named the book

Shit I have four story ideas at the same time and I only started one of them and it's not that good, need a complete rewrite, also my stock portfolio is crashing, maybe I should write a story about that too

>>25068391
this is a thing that also works well to solidify or introduce the main character's traits. For example, lets say your main character has a short temper or is a con artist or a computer hacker. Enter, a minor character that can play to the main character's proclivity.

Example 1: main character is a computer genious and in enters a hot looking girl who is having problems with her computer. Main character helps out with repair.
Example 2: main character is hot tempered with a quick fuse. Enter minor character that is mean, bordering on obnoxious and violent to a wife or a clerk, and in comes main character to fix the situation. So lets say in this example, the main character is at a location in order to meet with another main character, and while the main character is dealing with the computer error or the violent patron at the store/pizza shop or bar or what ever, the other main character observes the action. So things happen in this scene to move the plot (2 main character meet), and the main character reinforces the trait while dealing with the other characters.

-BLOG ON:
I enjoy creating worlds where I have complete control over everything. I feel like a god.
-BLOG OFF

>>25069362
book you're talking about?

>reading first person book
>seems to all be written from one character's perspective
>suddenly the final act is from a different character's perspective


Will readers realize that their might have been other chapters written from a different characters perspective?

>>25069841
I literally don't understand what you're asking

Why does it seem like everyone is writing in present tense

>>25069866
potentially a trend, potentially confirmation bias
personally I don't read anything that isn't at least 20 years old (ideally 50+)

>>25069852
if you're reading a book, and it's a first person book, and the first 20 chapters are all written from the same characters perspective

if suddenly a chapter was written from another characters perspective, would you think that maybe some of the previous chapters were also from a different characters perspective?

>>25069876
Probably not unless there were significant hints/context clues.
You would have be very intentionally ambiguous regarding names/pronouns, places, times, etc in order to plausibly confuse the reader. Probably to an annoying extent. (read: The Sound and the Fury)

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how to start writing and expecting honest feedback online in the era of the AI slop?

I feel really unmotivated of writing and some retard start calling it AI slop or whatever

>>25069880
The main character has an untreated mental illness, the other character that would occasionally be the pov is an equally insane serial killer. The writing will be different, going from fear and paranoia of the MC to the hate superiority of the antagonist. They both see themselves as inhuman, and mosters. but the antagonist thinks that he's more than human, the protagonist thinks he's less than human and has a mental breakdown over the first 3/4 of the book.

A violent narcissistic sociopath compared to an autistic paranoid schizoid.

>>25069876
I personally wouldn't do it. If you're going to commit to a perspective, then see it through all the way.
Reminds me of the first season of True Detective. An excellent show with a weak ending, and part of the reason is for the first 7 episodes, all of the time is spent with the two main characters. And then the very end of episode 7 and about half of 8 show other characters' perspectives... which kind of ruins the audiences expectations and takes away from the experience.

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Trying my hand at writing slop.

>>25070038
I'm gonna assume its a passage of a book you a writing? It reads as a fine fluffy part that has some minor characterisation for your protag. The problem for everyone in this thread and for you the writer is, why should we care? Maybe drop in a little summary or introduction in your post, what the greater narrative is. Because on its own its boring. The protagonist hides his nobility hm okay, but why? Are his friends low class scum? His friends feel like blank pieces of paper. He fucks up a ritual or is too inexperienced with it, hm okay, why is that bad, is there some sort of time issue? Again this might be a totally fine slower passage in a greater narrative, but i dont know that. Also "wipes himself down" if there isnt any other context like he got his hands dirty with oil or something reads to me like he just took at shit, maybe that's just me, but "dusting of his clothes/coat" seems more appropiate.

>>25069885
Just drop it here, ai is still somewhat easy to detect, so only retards will accuse you of it. Unless your shit truly is garbage

>>25062498
Second person probably doesn't work for a full novel.
It's ok for short stories though.
Start with a short story and see how it turns out with proper polish.

>>25062564
Notebook?

>>25068391
Best I can do I raise tension in the story by having the characters figure out there’s a conspiracy afoot. Is that any good?
Or I can have a bully pop up out of nowhere and say someone’s dick is small.

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>My book has made exactly £0.01 since release
I genuinely don't even care. That's funny enough to keep me going. I am objectively an author.

anyone have tips/resources/pointers for songwriting?
have mostly just been analyzing others' songs' lyrics that i like but actually getting something coherent/rhyming/good cadence feels impossible.
maybe the poetry resources might help? not sure how transferrable that is to songwriting

>>25070656
I made $0.70 this month off of two anons from another thread. Now I just have my fingers crossed that they actually read it and maybe even post about it.

>>25070682
>>>/mu/ probably has a general better suited to assist you. I've never been a huge music maker but I imagine a lot of songwriting hinges on the melody. You could just put together nonsense phrases and if the melody is good the song is good.

>>25070038
decent prose
the problem with slop writing is that technical competence doesn't matter nearly as much as understanding what the piggies want, which i honestly think only other piggies can do. have to be one to know one

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>>25068333
>cant see the post you are quoting
Pic rel

>>25068596
Nah they're separate. Crew is a short adventure story I finalized in 2024, while Rains is an ongoing fantasy horror

>>25070804
>gets asked what it's about
>gives broad, vague genres
Have fun wondering why nobody reads your shit

i'm planning a story for a video game and i know everything regarding the plot and characters their personalities, motivations, twists, even the ending, but i have no clue when it comes to creating the world and justifying the existence of the magic system, anything that can help? can AI help?

>>25071199
>can AI help?
it can help you create a product but it can't help you be creative, and surely we agree on what's more important here. if you're really stuck for a setting then i recommend brainstorming a bunch of goofy ideas and going for the one that still sticks in your mind the next day.

>>25071199
Just decide what you want to be possible in terms of magic in your world, then work backward to create a plausible justification for it. Don't go deeper than you need to if that's not something you care about. Magic systems are mostly a meme. Worldbuilding is harder but the same concept. If you have a plot and characters, then you probably have some sense of the setting. Just figure out what specifics you'll need and then work backwards to justify them.

>>25069554
>>25069702
I'll repost this greentext in March when the submissions close and I'll name the book. There's 100% chance you know the author and the title and have seen the movie.

How do I learn to build a structure nd properly write a narrative? The best I've ever done is short poetry. What's the best how to write book that isn't annoying modern platitude stuff.

>>25071222
>fears competition from /wg/
ngmi

>>25071234
Countless books will make a lot of noise claiming to hold, if not imperative, then obligatory info on how to structure and write your shit, and then they'll fill up the rest of the pages with formulaic writing manuals.
The real answer is to read and study novels while working on your stuff. You can't be taught how to tell your story.

>>25070843
You're right
>The Crew Is Out There! - Soldiers take a flying ship to raid a power plant at night, aiming to shut off all its city lights to view the arrival of a comet
>For Our Rains Shall Be Held - Men and women from across time wake up in a strange dark tower and wander its floors, instructed only to "join a banquet" in the coming days. Main char Samantha decides to brave the terrors inside and uncover the truth behind their admission

>>25071378
i read the preview and it feels like you edited it minimally. the first sentence doesn't hook me and feels off. Wince doesn't seem like the right word when someone clocks in to work. Wince usually associates with physical pain. Maybe something like exasperated

Have you ever written a great character? If so, how? Was it based on someone you knew personally?

>>25071378
Why is the baseball censored?

>>25071664
its not what they say

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I wrote this for a school project, roast me.

>>25071773
too many filler words and phrases.
"that satisfies me"
"this is how we create information"
"not for the body obviously"

Then I realize your essay is completely pointless and doesn't even have a thesis. It doesn't even tie into F451 at all. You're supposed to argue how F451 makes our lives like Frito-Lays potato chips. You're just writing fucking nonsense. WTF is a Poseidon of Pringles? Ocean God of Pringles? What does that even mean? Pringles aren't even made by Frito-Lays. If I were your teacher, I would give you an F.

How do you come up with names for characters?
Every single one of those "names for babies" websites are made by pajeets using AIslop and are filled with rubbish and wrong info.

>>25071889
Look at rosters for sports teams and Olympics, mix and match first/last names until something clicks for you

>>25071889
fantasynamegenerators.com works on my machine

>>25071889
Names all mean something. Find one that means something for your character.

>>25071827
Without cliches to lubricate, large works would be impossible to read. "He stretched his legs" bears the load that prevents books like Goblet of Fire from collapsing under its own wordy weight.
Do use them sparingly.
>>25071889
Use numerology or take a trait from a character and create a symbol. Learn how sigils work from Austin Osman Spare to help in choosing names

>>25071933
>Find one that means something for your character.
!

Do you ever name your characters "1", "Placeholder", "Temp Name", or something like that before you think up any actual names? Because I don't do that and would find it odd if anyone did.

Am I supposed to have this much trouble plotting my novel out?

I had so much of the structure figured out when I started and I'm still getting stuck on how to put it all together like a fourth of the way in. Maybe I'm just overthinking it, maybe I just need some slop conflict to connect the actually important stuff together.

>>25072181
stre brd

>>25071889
Use a normal fucking name. And if you later think of a better one, change it.

>>25072244
Yeah, don't be that guy that comes up with shitty fantasy names thinking something unique will be better. Nobody likes that guy.

>>25072244
>>25072261
fuck of my protag is called
>chadanius thundercock

How can I tell if my writing is AI generated?

>>25072526
Just post it here and we'll tell you Yes

>>25070615
>Is that any good?
Of course not. Are you retarded or something?

>>25071827
>You're supposed to argue how F451 makes our lives like Frito-Lays potato chips

My point was supposed to be about how Fahrenheit managed to predict with frightening accuracy the dorito deluge we're currently living in; the over-saturation of instant gratification that our technology has created, and how its being used against our society to radicalize its people into zealots of bullshit political ideologies most of them don't even really understand, all to the benefit of the multi-billionaires running it all.

But I agree, my essay is a bit of a self indulgent, meandering mess.

Diani kicked some dust that was left on the flat part of the deck, it swirled in the air as if the ship were moving, in a dance with the wind. It reminded her of how she wished she could just turn into that dust, and be blown away from the ship and its mechanical hell and fly above the savanna that inhabited most of the country. But not here, here it was only Gedoopstad and a highrise would catch her, just like how Geinte did.

Here's ur paragraph

Been trying to find a good mythological reference other than Golem for "automata runs amok".
Anyone got anything?

Can also be magically created entities, but something artificial that turns destructive of its own will.
Its strangely rare in mythology, despite how common Automata are in general (Talos, Brass City, etc)

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>>25067473
More of the same, this time its about burn-out, loneliness and giant armpits

>>25073097
Second person is retarded. I'm not reading a choose your own adventure

>book spends the enitre story making a point that the main character is deeply mentally ill, and people realize this, but nothing is done until after he kills multiple women
>he's absurdly guilty, and very obviously been having a mental breakdown
>to the point he's been going to his office job and talking off his shoes, laying on the ground
>apartment literally only has desk and chair for computer setup, he slept on a mattress on the ground
>piles of black market betablockers, sleeping pills, painkillers in his apartment
>mental health history of abuse, paranoia, dozens of therapists
a commentary on how mentally ill adults are ignored and denied help until they commit a crime, and then are punished severely

then they realize that actually they have no evidence against him at all, and one of the witnesses has been lying to them, and has had access to all the same people and places. They just honed in on him because he's a freak

>>25073665
Nice, you got the base layer. It's even kind of interesting. Still not going to read it though. Maybe have them take him to trial anyway and have them try his character. You know, like what happens irl all the time.

>>25073719
at this point he's in a coma with a bullet in his head, but it's multiple chapters of reinforcing how guilty he is.

His workplace says he just stopped turning up the day after the police interviewed the office, but they found a letter in his car that was a dismissal, which the office has no record of giving him.

Who fired him? he still officially works there...

>>25073719
This post is just sad. Why can't you admit you're intrigued by anon's idea?

>>25073831
Intrigued is a bridge too far and because the execution will be shit.

>>25073841
You're putting on a facade because you want to impress your fake anonymous friends. Meanwhile, anyone with any sense can see you're so intrigued by anon's idea that you came up with an idea for his idea for him. I'm freely admitting I'm intrigued by anon's idea and even I didn't do that.

>>25073848
I don't have any anonymous friends fake or otherwise you're projecting

>>25073853
>p-projecting
I still haven't come up with any ideas for anon's idea

>>25072526
It is because you are an AI

>>25073856
Yeah you don't have ideas that's part of why you're just some faggot that sits in these threads all day and night and not a writer

>>25073868
I'll have you know I'm generating ten different books as we speak

>>25073420
>>25073097
I like it i spent so much time on 4chan green texting that it comes out easier than writing in third person. Though anything longer than a short story would be annoying probably

>>25062498
I liked that one tool album cover too

>>25062498
I'd only read it if it's a CYOA. Otherwise it's like no I didn't do all that shit

When Lord Badguy rapes the hero to assert dominance should he come inside him or would that be going too far? He’s not gay or anything just evil.

>>25059976
My poem:

Cold coffee filmy slick black oil patterns vibrate on white styrofoam
Wrinkled grey polyester
Vaulted marble
And
RED WHITE AND BLUE

Whispering names
Counting His YEAs

Breath wafts in my face
Reeking
of sand shit and gore

I’ve mistyped like five words in as many minutes is this a good sign I should stop writing I’m clearly in the wrong mindset and possibly turbo retarded.

Is there a good guide on how to make your stuff as easy to read and understand as possible?
Like word choices, sentence structure, stuff like that.

I just have to accept that I can't write my favorite genres.
When I try to write pure horror I get bored with the story.
When I try to write fantasy I kill it with exposition and over building everything.
When I try to write action adventure inspired by old pulp I end up underdevelopeding the characters.

Regardless it all ends up being shit unworthy of being finished.

Only thing I end up finishing are urban fantasy stories that I don't care about and sort of hate. They are throw away garbage that I write just to get them out of my head.
I don't even like urban fantasy books. The world building is always awful and most books devolve into romance, which I typically dislike and would never write.

I wish I could write fantasy so fucking bad, but I just can't. It always is so boring and shit when I have to explain shit, but if I don't it would be utterly incomprehensible.

Can I get an honest opinion on this page I had wrote?

A man walks into a graveyard. Around his shoulder rests a pack, heavy with contents inside. The man began to think to himself, or speak aloud, he would never be able to recall the difference. He sat in front of a crude wooden cross, and started.

"I hadn't spoken to her in what seems like years. It has been months, more like. The last we spoke, she had told me she'd been betrothed. Betrothed. Assigned to some lordling is a likely way to describe it. It was no bother to me, I had never liked her much anyhow. I had told you as such, could you remember? Shes bad for you, I always said. Shes just a fourth born daughter of a second born lord, I had said. You deserve much better, I had said."

The man began to rummage through his pack, as he continued his thoughts.

"It was no matter. Shes the one, you said. I see the stars in her eyes, you said. I hadn't seen you hardly since she came into your life. Me and you, were together 5 and 20, 15 years we were. And she came in and dashed the lot. I had hardly seen you since.
Do you remember how we would drink?"

The man pulled a two bottles out of his pack. He uncorked one, and began to drink. He took several gulps before continuing.

"Your mother was in sorts, my friend. Inconsolable, at the time before your death. She was afraid of the sick across the realm. Good bit she was, eh? That sick did touch our village. You would know, you got sick as well, and ended up in the ground, right next to your mother."

The man took many long drinks. He drank until the bottle was empty. The man threw the bottle into the trees, as far as he could. He took another bottle from his pack, and began to drink more, and he began to speak, or think, aloud. No soul would ever be able to tell the difference.

"You always called me feathered, friend. You always said I was too light for my tongue. I got into a fight with the side-of-the-creek boys, due to my light constitution and my heavy tongue. They beat me good and bloody."

The man took another long drink.

"You used to tell me, my Weight cannot write the promise my tongue makes. Me getting beaten bad would never happen, with your words"

The man took a final, extended drink. He tossed the empty bottle.

"Where are you sir? Why are you so silent? Why won't you scold me more? You always called me feathered. Why must you be silent now?"

After several moments, the man stood, and stumbled out of the graveyard.

>>25074852
cry more bitch ngga

>>25074792
You could try reading screenplays as examples. A good screenplay tells a compelling story while using language that's relatively basic. The language needs to be clear so that genuine idiots (actors, producers) can read and understand what's happening. The formatting/structure will take getting used to, but that kind of dialogue and descriptive language might be what you're looking for. Chinatown is a decent start:
https://thescriptsavant.com/movies/Chinatown.pdf
Remember though: screenplays only describe what's seen and heard on screen. The Avatar screenplay probably gets as close as you can to being over-descriptive without crossing the line. It's a good read:
https://thescriptsavant.com/movies/Avatar.pdf
Also, there's rarely interior monologue, backstory, or lore description in screenplays, unless someone speaks it... and then it's an exposition dump, which is usually frowned upon. It's more acceptable in TV series though.

>>25074864
Name the characters.

There is nothing to latch onto and no reason to get invested or care.

>>25074864
You changed tenses in the first sentence. lost me there

I have decided to keep going with my book even though the events feel contrived because constantly abandoning projects has not helped me and I believe finishing writing books I'm not confident about is my only path forward. Wish me luck.

>>25074864
Make sure you name the female character, Victoria

I’m willn’t be written today need 2 watch superball.

>>25074864
It's pretty bad.

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How dated would a character be that's a reference to Britney Spears be?

I was thinking they'd be named Briony Sears

>>25061554
I like Ulysses
Also consider disabling Apple Intelligence in System Settings
>>25061575
Any piece of software that’s good for writing that’s available on a GNU system works at least as well on macOS
>>25061827
Yudkowskyian rationality was kind of sort of maybe a cult if you were really close to the Bay Area but HPMOR attracted lots of weirdos who were into Harry Potter fanfiction and this brought down the quality of the average rationalist
>>25062498
So a Choose Your Own Adventure without any choosing?

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>>25073097
cont.

>>25077605
confusing and changes tenses

>>25077605
hehe good one

>>25077607
barely
>>25077609
ideal response

>>25077605
I can practically see you huffing your own farts through this

How is a general focused on an entire artistic hobby so damn slow? No one on 4chan writes?

>>25077844
We've all been so demoralized we find this hobby pointless. Out of all the anons, one one man made it

>>25077844
We're too busy writing to shitpost

https://pastebin.com/EdJviAfG

how is perpetually drunk teenage flapper from 1920s new york supposed to talk? I have no frame of reference for her speech patterns

>>25077926
>magic
Stopped reading there.

>>25077717
no couth

The statue of Our Lady of Sorrows has tears painted on her cheeks and when snow melts water streams down her face. Our Lady of Sorrows has twelve stars on the crown on her head and when storm clouds cover the night sky they are the only stars you can see.

From the stool below her I peered through the curtains of falling snow into glazed crying eyes. I prayed the Memorare but I exhausted myself halfway, surveying her face the whole time half-expecting it to change. I loaded five of six bullets into the revolver’s cylinder and spun it. I pushed the cylinder into the gun and pressed the barrel against my temple and looked right into her wet eyes and ripped the trigger back. I blinked and her face hadn’t changed. Her eyes did not blink, her nose did not run, her mouth did not quiver, her throat did not swell, her hands did not shake, her feet did not tremble, her skin did not sweat, her insides did not convulse. She only looked down from above, keeping her gaze on me as melting snow streamed down her face.

>>25078061
I think they giggled a lot and let men speak for them

my cast is a tacofest and I have no idea where to fit in another male character. The only thing I can think of is to remove the less funny half of the twins and replace her with an overworked straight man surrounded by absolute maniacs

>>25078263
maybe your story could use a rapist?

>>25078371
huh not a bad idea, but I don't want to get canceled

>>25063844
It should come as no surprise but the genders are different and so are the rules for them. Complaining about "if a man did it" is as useless as claiming "you can't say that". Ideas only have power if you believe in them and submit to them.

>>25073097
>>25077601
Can I get some feedback? I need to transport the scale disparity better, but i dont know how, and its not like there are tons of authors to draw from

>>25078391
cancelled? you're not getting published

>>25063844
woody allen has a film about an adult having a 17 year old girlfriend. it’s in every top 100 list and is preserved in the library of congress.

>>25063844
If things were different, things would be different.

Yes, it's a double standard. But it's a more "acceptable" double standard because age gaps like that aren't seen as "out of the ordinary" when it's an older woman and a younger man. Our society is weird like that. You can see a similar issue with gay and trans people: Most people who express opposition to or concerns about queer people largely do that in relation to trans women and gay cis males - i.e., people who were born dicks. We're weird as hell about dicks, I tell you hwat.

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how do you guys even get started with map building? I just realised three paragraphs into writing in my fantasy fictional island colonial world that "wait where the fuck am I, where is anything". I had a visual idea of the immediate street and buildings and gardens and aesthetic direction but then it hit me that i dont actually have a spatial awareness of anything. Would you guys literally draw it with some artwork as reference material or whats the deal there? Is it literally an annotated street map or is it a piece of artwork because you wouldn't want to get too bogged down in the detail?

>>25078553
Ask >>25031063

>>25078576
he's asking for help with worldbuilding not stealing worn out tropes

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My only professional writing experience over the years has been romance, and I wanted to break out of my comfort zone, so I've been writing a fanfic and having trouble getting the action scenes more readable. My most common feedback is I tend to overdescribe scenes and get caught up detailing the actions characters take without it matching the rapid pace. Also that I tend to have a lot of dialogue in my combat. Do you have any tips on cleaning up action like that?

>>25078756
Why dont you post an example scene

>>25078822
Threw a passage in a pastebin since it got too long for a post. Autism warning, it's Pokemon.
https://pastebin.com/jdWHxecs

>>25078862
>it's Pokemon.
jesus christ anon, huh?

>>25077605
b e a u etc

>>25079498
I wanted to write it, so I wrote it. It's not half as embarrassing as the shit that put me through college.

>>25078862
I think the pokemons name should always be there. *yellow ogre* is distracting from the battle

>discussing fanfiction
we're getting desperate for posts huh

>>25079543
the pathologically seething thread troll (you) has been a real bitch lately so the threads can just die for a while and he can suffer alone with the voices in his head

>>25078576
just asked there, ill see what their input is thanks

>every post I don't ike is from the same person
Is this a word for this brand of schizo? I see it all the time

>>25079753
i'm sure you do. that'll happen when you spend most of your day shitposting on 4chan threads

>>25079792
You're projecting buddy. I got my words in today

>>25079804
the ones in the reply box don't count get a job

>>25079518
Thanks for the tip. It feels repetitive to me constantly using the proper noun for a character over and over, I get an urge to mix it up.

>>25079860
Please keep projecting so I can paint a clearer mental image of you

>>25081218
You’re mental of image of me is just you, all fat and gay and retarded.

>>25070656
>>25070721

My book was published in august and I have not seen any money on it yet. also shits me motionless that 80% of the sales were from the audiobook

>>25081390
Did you get an actual narrator or just throw some AI slop together?

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>>25081394
haha, since you were so quick to ask, I got a narrator, but the studio refused to have him read most of the slurs I had in the text. Pic from another thread. I'm currently translating the same work into english so you frens can read it

>>25081409
Good on you anon although I would've fired the studio and produced it independently.

>>25081419
I doubt I had the authority to do that, but in hindsight I should had read the thing alone to pocket the change + add reading a book to my portfolio.
off to bed now, it's late and I have more translating to do tomorrow.

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ending of a thing I’ve been working on.

I regret to inform you all that the write out of order fags were correct.

>>25081463
are you the stella artois anon?

>>25081674
can neither confirm nor deny.

The more I write and the more my story progresses the more I realize what I wrote early on must be revised and, in certain cases, rewritten. Not only for plot points to be intertwined coherently, but also in the case of proper nouns that had not yet been conceived and character voices that were not yet shaped, but may be easier to do so when I know the entire story's course.

I'm 85k words in and about 60% through.

What are your thoughts on having multiple separate writing projects going on at the same time?

>>25082097
Terrible because you won't finish any of them.

>>25059976
Fancy pen for a ballpoint.

>>25081702
i actually asked that before scrolling up to see the other sample, so your writing style is very distinctive

you seem like somebody with good taste. you should read my novel

>>25081463
>It seemed to me
This is unnecessary and ruins the flow. The uncertainty is already felt in the passage as is. There is a certain vibe, and you don't have to explicitly state it.
>These things were mediocre, I saw it now
What things? You're using "things" as a filler word. Very weak sentence. Rework it entirely. Because of "things" it's also unclear what you're talking about. Are the passages and pages themselves mediocre or is your underlining and dog-earing of them mediocre?
>I was full of that strength which is better than happiness
Reads like nonsense.
>This too was only a begging.
"This" again. "That" in the previous sentence. And "these" in the one before it.

>>25082120
Idk, my corporate job has gotten me used to task switching every 20 minutes when my manager gives me some high urgent bullshit

>>25082342
> "This" again. "That" in the previous sentence. And "these" in the one before it.
outrageous!
>>25082124
brat by g smith?

Describe your book as embarrassingly as possible

Dexter, but instead of being dark and mysterious, he's autistic and gay.

>>25067151
That's why you must have a gf/wife and frens. At least I know those read my stuff.

>>25082592
Am I supposed to sound embarrasing doing it, or am I supposed to make the book sound embarrasing a an artpiece?

>>25082592
I morphed the main character into a neurotic, off-meds dandy so I wouldn't have to alter my style

>>25082592
I write porn

>>25082637
Avatar is just Pocahontas but in space with blue aliens

I've decided to start naming my chapters because it's fun to do so.

>>25082767
So doing it?

>>25082567
>outrageous!
It's bad. I hope you fix your writing.

>>25082955
sorry i thought that whole thing was a satire of ‘workshop’ crit.

>>25082342
NTA, aside from points one and three (the latter of which I disagree with) these seem like the simple consequences of it being taken out of context.

>>25082793
I've always named my chapters just so it's easy to glance at it in a list and know what happens in it. I've gotten really good at picking out single words or short phrases that encapsulate the entire idea of a chapter without spoiling anything.

>>25082567
no, i wrote BOM

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>>25084029
i was pleased to see the orange one also promoting it recently

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>>25083810
how exciting

>>25059976
i want to write about these underground parties i've been going

which parts here are more interesting, which are less interesting?

>>25084089
why are you mixing american english & british english spellings

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>>25084107
some weird thing with spell check, fixed it

>>25084118
i want to capture the atmosphere of chaos and energy and randomness, feeling of not knowing what comes next as you change rooms or conversations, and i think present tense first person works better for that

i also think having multiple narrators works better for capturing the completely different states that everyone is in, given the differing substances they've consumed

>>25084081
Byte Order Mark, the fucking misery a BOM can cause when not expected, have to be careful about letting Windows devs work on your project
I should write a story about a file with BOM bringing down the system by accident

>>25084081
it is more exciting than The Book of Mormon at least

How do I write fantasy sloppa without a chosen one plot?

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>>25059976
Tongue Twister:
Seven silent Saints, savoring seven simply seasoned spicy salted sauteed soused slowly simmering sausages semi-submerged sinking slightly, smelling so sweet.

if you wish to continue it or make it better, go right ahead.

Enjoy your saucy sauseeeeech :D

2 posts in the past 12 hours is pretty crazy
is /wg/ actually going to die off?

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