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/wng/ Thread Quest #1

Write or edit 500 words by the end of the thread.

Reply to this post when you have met or surpassed this milestone and bask in the admiration of your fellow slopers. Feel free to add in any interesting occurrences during your writing and engage with those also on the path of a thousand follows.

Good luck, and have fun!

I started to resent sci fi audiences.

I got a month old 200+ follower story and planned to do a sequel. (written before I knew what RR wants in writing, made it to RS but dropped out the other day)
Got a 40+ follower 20 day old other story clean cut fantasy. (written more up to market) It gained the audience passively from 20+ without me putting out any chapter over 18 days.

I don't know if I can stand sci fi readers enough to do a sequel with new protagonist which is my plan or was.
Strategic smart would be to do the tie in.

How do you handle hating half your audience but loving the other part who read it for the human interaction not tech specs?

>>25069372
>write sf
>but it's about human interaction
So it wasn't sf but some shitty romantasy.

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>>25069372
scifi is dead

/wng/ Spreadsheet Update

Top 5 Ongoing Follower Change
Ten Thousand Tragedies 2,311->2,483
Cherno Caster 1,638->1,633
The Ultimate Weapon at Royal Academy 945->990
The Undying Emperor 901->915
Skulltaker 658->671

COMPLETIONS
FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' has been completed. 83 chapters totaling 1,111 pages were posted on Royal Road from June 8, 2025 to January 18, 2026, which is 7 months and 10 days.

RELAUNCHES
AnotherArchetype relaunched ARCHETYPE as BURGESS O'BANNON'S SUPERHERO SAGA on Jan 25th 2026, 11 days ago. Followers on the former went from 745 to 720. The latter has 52 followers.

RENAMES
ZANMA PT: Puppetmaster Travelogue->PUPPETMASTER - ARMY OF ONE, following discussion about the title in /wng/.

ADDITION/DELETION
Mongol was posted and then deleted following much posting its cover and content, and what else the author had written here and in /wg/.

STATUS CHANGES
Hiatus -> Inactive
This Middling Young Master will Comprehend Dao and Plunder Legacies
A Return from the Sky (Highschool DxD/High School DxD Fanfiction)
Downhill Mountain Horse Racing
NIGHTRUN
Yeah, But the Rest of His Stats Suck

GRACE PERIOD ENDING
Alma's Dreams (are Default) said there was one last chapter to post for the book. It has been 58 days since then and will be moved to inactive next update.

Kindlelight will be moved from hiatus to inactive next update as it seems it hasn't gone well enough to continue.

Keygemin will be moved to inactive next update unless the author posts something about it.

ONGOING FOLLOWERS RANKING CHANGE
Shattered Pantheon overtakes Born Under a Black Sun, moving from #8 to #7.

Drowned Quest overtakes The Dragon And The Author, moving from #12 to #11.

TOP 5 PUBLIC PATREON EARNINGS
FortySixtyFour: $4,479->$4,438
Blanch: $211->$374
NMR-3: $448->$372
Akaso: $230->$170
AnotherArchetype: $14->$17

>>25069427
Somehow despite not being on here I really dislike this being a thing.

>>25069427
Any new xianxia recs?

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>>25069427
I did a lot of work, but I'm proud of it.

>>25069408
its not

>>25069543
I don't know if such a day will come.
I find writing 1000 words quite time-consuming.
I think the pantser way of rewriting every page, because you have no idea where the story is going.

>>25069408
On the contrary. It feels like the only genre of novels you can actually talk to a random man about.

>>25069427
>ARCHETYPE as BURGESS O'BANNON'S SUPERHERO SAGA
Huh? That's a much worse name.

>STATUS CHANGES
Glad someone keeps track, it almost gives me the motivation to put out another chapter, so it would end the interactive status. But at this point, I have two followers, and I kinda feel embarrassed by the Shongma.

>>25069574
>>25069635
Scifi is fine just in a webnovel format.

The genre doesn't matter as long as it's interesting.
The chapter length doesn't matter as long as it's interesting.
The cover image doesn't matter as long as it's interesting.
The release schedule doesn't matter as long as it's interesting.
The main character doesn't matter as long as it's interesting.

>>25070253
True, the only thing that matters is results and litrpgs are provably the most interesting stories on RR

the most interesting wns are the ones i'm reading

>Transmigrated Into a Cultivation World? Good Thing I Can Read Minds! [Xianxia Parody]
>chapter 2: they're playing Texas Hold 'Em poker in a xianxia casino that also has slot machines
c'mon man

>>25070305
early parodies of a genre can be good but at some point, later attempts at parodying something are inevitably derivatives of a derivative of a derivative.

'New' finds on reincarnated as babby in fantasy world:
>Balthazar Blake - dark, slavic and yet refreshingly good (5/5)
>The Path of Ascent - protagonist can't use magic in a world of magic but will eventually be able to buy about chapter 200 by becoming a spiritual man/bear/pig (4/5)

>>25070337
I can't read anything by slav authors. I don't know what it is, but I can always tell they're a slav by their prose and something about it always strikes me as extremely dull and dreary. I've had times where I've picked up a story not knowing anything about the author, even their name, and within a few pages realized they're a slav.

>>25070340
I think I can engage with the writing so well because I don't have to go interact with slavs in any meaningful way, so their bleak prose comes across as more misanthropic and dickensian then shit in your shoes and steal your booze depressing.

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>>25070340
My experience, as a slav, is the opposite. The fiction I can find in my local book store is typically very fantastical in its prose and almost purple in many cases. My own prose was also influenced by me consuming a consistent diet of such books early in my life, so I keep getting clocked as an ESL because of that.

>>25070347
Agree with this. I feel that modern slav fiction prose was probably inspired by stuff like noir pulps and the like.

I tried feeding it to Claude but the translation was shit so I'll translate these three pages for you all by hand, give me a bit.

>>25070349
>My experience, as a slav, is the opposite. The fiction I can find in my local book store is typically very fantastical in its prose and almost purple in many cases
To be fair I think it might actually just be an issue of translation. A lot of what I've read was probably written in Russian or whatever then translated to English and could definitely have just lost a lot in translation.
But on the other hand I have the same problem with writers like Adrian Tchaikovsky who's a slav whose first language is english so eh.

>>25070349
translating is harder than expected
first page translation:

>Deep beneath layers of optical cables, lymphatic vessels and veins, Mother awoke. Everything shuddered, the lids of painted mugs on a shelf in the kitchen rang like every morning, the cracked glass in the bedroom window rattled such that it was a wonder it didn’t fall out of the frame, and from the depths beneath our city, black smoke came rushing up through hundreds of rusted chimneys, rising towards the Metal sky.
>The Underworld had begun its work.
>A fascinating mechanism. It demands the wonder of every economist, necrophile, philanthropist, and techno-aesthete. A metal badge in the image of a toothed cog with a large letter P in the middle is, nowadays, pinned to the sun visor of every last bespectacled schoolboy. My first visit to the Underworld was in my student years during a voluntary excursion. A long elevator ride, in which we were squeezed one against another like discarded subhumans pressed into a gas chamber, and then, Mother’s dome.
>The sight takes your breath away. A temple of biological machines. You can’t discern what’s alive and what’s dead metal or plastic. Moving organic tissue, veins, muscles, all this blends with unliving semiconductor blocks, traverses and beams. Amidst all this fleshly hustle and bustle, controlled epileptic seizures, squealing of chainsaws, amidst the miles of conveyor belts and labyrinth of elastic tubing, there is Mother. She’s incredible. They didn’t tell us her size, but they estimated that by now she might be somewhere around two kilometers. Today, she will naturally be substantially larger.

>>25070366
Pg.2 translation:

>At one end, automatic tubes poured hectolitres of growth stimulators, progesterone, and sugar solution into her, and from the other end, there poured translucent leathery sacks with human embryos, like poppyseed from a piece of stale poppybread.
>“Take a good look, this is where you all came from,” our instructor back then pointed towards the contracting, monstrous organ resembling a giant ass, and we stared and saw, how from those tiny cells the seeds of mankind itself, were immediately after leaving the mother-organism, seized by mechanical arms, picking out the most obvious miscreants and tossing them onto the belt, which transported them with infinitely-merciful gentleness towards the steel screw of a biowaste crusher, above which god knows why flashed the hologram of Mother Mary with Baby Jesus in her embrace.
>We saw, how drones with spotlights looked over those that remained after the first stage of selection, how they sought out and mercilessly liquidated further defective individuals, all those grotesque creatures, cyclopes, harlequins and siamese twins — in short those, which centuries ago ended up as circus attractions or living exhibits in the curiosity collections of deranged aristocrats. We saw the device, which with incredible speed tested for karyotype. It reminded me of a sewing machine, which with a steel needle cold-bloodedly and systematically stabbed into the embryos and took samples of amniotic fluid. All that noisy, completely automated machinery was basically just for removing the chaff, worthless weeds. It’s one giant people-filter. Unworthy individuals, tough luck for you. Sorry.

>About two thousandths of the embryos that go through all the sinister, surgical steel flashing tools of the Underworld, are sealed into self-applying caskets, sealed, transported to the surface, and transported to eugenic stations, where they are on the basis of requests assigned to married couples desperate for offspring.
>It’s so simple.
>It’s so beautiful.
>It’s so effective.

a small note is that the back of the book clarifies the setting somewhat, it's an isolated domed city called Tyche where people can't reproduce normally anymore outside extremely rare 1:1,000,000 instances

>>25070387
most of the awkward wording is there in the original text, it's just that it works better in the original language, big shock i know

pg.3 and I'm done because this is draining the life out of me (not the writing, i like the book, the translating)

>Goodbye, degeneracy, you greying retiree with a face consumed by tumors, whom we, the people of the earth, attracted to us with all those terrible vices, the lifeblood of spacefaring civilization!

>It had already been the fourth generation of children to come out of the Underworld. But not only them. A portion of the not-quite-worthy embryos traveled through the tubes into enriched cultivation vats designated for slaves. Substandard embryos, which are still sufficiently vital, are genetically modified and allowed to ripen in cultivators, from which after six months of controlled growth, the metal hands of tube-nurseries extract them, and rubber surfaces (I think? I don't know how to translate this) force the subhuman to take his first breath. These future components of the workforce, upon which a substantial portion of Tyche's economy is based, are for several Sundays fed with pasteurized slop, until they reached the desired weight. Immediately thereafter, they are sent to a socialization center, where besides being given intensive labour education, they are mechanically castrated and the logo of the Underworld is branded onto the right flank. (a livestock term is used here, presumably intentionally)

>But now, it's morning.
>It's time to dig myself out from sweat-stained bedding, get up on my feet, at least slightly culture myself and go out. I piss in the sink, watched from the corner by a fat spider, and I climb into the shower. The gas boiler is fucked again. At first a stale stench emerges from the piping, and then a stream of icy water falls upon my skin. After three minutes of pure masochism, all frozen, I leave the shower corner, brush my teeth, wax my eyebrows with the aid of some wax tape, and, using a pneumatic suction device, liquidate a hideous boil that had grown on my nose while I slept.
>Breakfast. Cereal flakes, white yoghurt, radishes, half a tablet of bitter chocolate, and a glass of Mother's milk. I devour everything, dress myself, and it's into the city.

>>25070403
By the way that breakfast is stunningly on point. I used to eat basically the same when I was working as a keyboard jockey in Prague. Buttermilk though.

>>25070340
slavness is a variation on fetal alcohol syndrome
it's very sad

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Just started reading God Obliterating Vajra after seeing something about a TTRPG passion project the author designed in the same universe (?) or at least with the same aesthetic.

There are interesting ideas here and it has a very clear, unique identity with the SEA Buddhist dark tropical xianxia thing going on but some of that clarity may be a result of marketing and pre-amble doing disproportionate legwork.

I think more could have been achieved with less as the writing and general execution errs on insisting on itself a bit too much but I prefer this earnestness to noncommittal ironic slop. It's a denser and more challenging read than most of the stuff on RR and I'm not sure if the most fitting synonym is always used. I probably wouldn't recommend it to the average reader but it may appeal to people interested in Buddhist mythology (in the way some people are interested in Greek or Norse myth; not necessarily practicing Buddhists).

The story doesn't seem to be about gender identity but the MC is androgynous and is referred to with indeterminate pronouns which is quite distracting/disorienting in prose; I am indifferent to gender politics so this nitpick doesn't come from a place of disdain and it's worth mentioning that it seems intended as a way to highlight a mythic strangeness to the MC but my brain still finds it confusing and/or poorly executed especially in action sequences where the whole they their them thing does more to obscure what's going on.

Overall, it's flavoursome and ambitious project with ideas that appeal to my interests but a maximalist execution that doesn't quite work with my tastes.

>>25070433
>unique identity with the SEA Buddhist dark tropical xianxia thing going on
>The story doesn't seem to be about gender identity but the MC is androgynous and is referred to with indeterminate pronouns
Was this written by a female? Anyway, xianxia and things like gender identity politics don't not really mix (I have nothing against either).

>>25070515
>female
I don't know, I haven't bothered to research this
>gender identity politics
Sorry if I wasn't sufficiently clear but I'll reiterate that I don't think there's anything to do with gender identity here, at least not from what I've read so far. The androgyny doesn't seem to be an allusion to transgenderism at all and seems more like a nod to how a kind of mythic androgyny is handled in Buddhist mythology; my criticism about the pronoun usage is a technical one (i.e. it's confusing and distracting) and I only brought up gender identity to clarify that it *isn't* the thing motivating my critique.

>>25070543
>modern author not influenced by modern views and takes on gender
I don't think such people exist and if they do then they simply don't write about gender (or even allude to it in such a way)

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Do you consider AI a good beta or alpha reader? In my case, it more often than not overlooks very obvious mistakes, particularly when it comes to understandability and information delivery. Pic rel is an example. Of course humans can overlook (missing) information and fill the holes in the plot themselves with head-cannon, but I'd honestly expect more of AI since it has a perfect memory when it wants to.

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>>25069328
>600 words of nothing happening
Should not have taken the character-driven approach that was suggested here. Clearly, I can't write that way without meandering.

>>25070596
No, it's not good. It's too sycophantic. Even if you lie and say it's someone else's writing it's not great.

>>25070596
no because there's no real cognition taking place. the value of beta reads is based on whether or not stuff you're doing is working.
AI cannot determine if your MC is likable/unlikable or if the traitor is too overtly suspicious. it cannot determine if the obstacles you've put in the way of the MC reaching his goal is sufficient or tiresome. it is incapable of assessing such things.

>>25069353
Wrote the last 200 words of a chapter and edited the rest. Got to say, that was pretty darn easy.
If anyone else knows, what's the best time to post from MST? I'm guessing you want it up while coastal folks are on their lunch break or commuting.

Should web novels be focused on a hyper specific idea and pursue it relentlessly for an extraordinary duration? Traditionally published books seem to have generalist works covered.

>>25070667
>covered
not how that works
people want more of the same. why do you think there are hundreds of bestselling romantasy paint by number clones being pumped out every month?

>>25070673
That doesn't respond to what I asked. You're correct in that the second sentence was unnecessary in that provided for more ways to receive an irrelevant reply such as yours.

>>25070679
>That doesn't respond to what I asked.
i wasn't responding to the question i was responding to the second half of your post. if you're gonna get cranky about it don't include statements you don't want responses to

>>25065916
Is this Harry Potter fanfiction changed into traditionally published novel secretly appealing to the same reasons why some here seem to enjoy xianxia?

>he truly is a monster: a mass murderer of men, women, and children alike. Anything that stands in his way is annihilated. That’s what makes him so compelling.

>>25070667
>Should web novels be focused on a hyper specific idea and pursue it relentlessly for an extraordinary duration?
Do you mean should as in a theoretical ideal or are you asking whether this is a trend web novels currently follow?

>>25070683
You still misunderstand. I'm saying that traditionally published novels almost never do anything specific. They're all general.

>>25070686
In both cases it appeals to the most base, tribal, ungabunga bronze age mentality, the part that's just high enough to be "human" but old enough to be embedded evolutionarily. In every man is a grug that wants to conquer and have a harem. In every woman is a history of a hundred thousand years of being conquered and made part of the conqueror's harem.

>>25070690
Why not both?

>>25070691
i would argue that trad novels take weird, niche concepts and explore them much more deeply than any web novel I've ever seen. They have the freedom to do that because it only needs to be 80k words and there's only so much to say about hyper niche topics. web novels need to go on for thousands of pages

>>25070694
For the first, it's not what I read web novels for, so I don't agree that it's an ideal we should strive for.
For the second, no, that's not how web novels work from my experience. The premises are no more niche than tradpub, and the explorations of those concepts tend to be broader because of how sprawling the stories are.
There are probably hyper-niche communities out there exploring weird fiction, but they likely have like 5 readers each.

>>25070696
I believe we have a misunderstanding here. I'm not talking about abstract concepts, or the exploration of a philosophy. Much of that would be science fiction. I mean more along the lines of plot. Examples could be "I want a story about the life of a magic engineer and all the magic engineer things that he does and nothing but that", "I want to read about a merchant who starts out with nothing but through slow and incremental trading progresses into being the wealthiest and most influential man in the world.", "This story is about an adventurer who goes into a dungeon day after day and does nothing else."

>>25070702
What do you read web novels for?

>>25070712
I think the misunderstanding comes from
>focused on a hyper specific idea
None of those examples approach anything resembling hyper specific, to me. Those are just normal story premises you would see in trad
Besides, I suppose, the sneaky additions of
>and nothing but that
>and does nothing else
Depends on how strict you're being there. But I don't see that happen in web novels, there's always some side plots and social stuff going on

>>25070722
>Those are just normal story premises you would see in trad
I really don't believe they are, but we're at an impasse, so I'll end it here.

>>25070596
>since it has a perfect memory when it wants to.
>it has a perfect memory, it just sometimes chooses to forget things
lol

>>25070433
>as a way to highlight a mythic strangeness to the MC but my brain still finds it confusing and/or poorly executed
It takes 5 seconds of googling to see why
>Poet. Author. Serialist. Fantasist. Tabletop Game Designer. Catholico-Buddhist-Anito Mystic. Non-Binary. MLZT Communist. They/Them.
Trust me as someone from Singapore, don't expect any good authentic Dharmic themed content from SEA or most of India. The south Indians might have produced something good by now but the western ones are commies and the eastern ones have their heads up South Korea's ass.

>>25070433
Looks like a bootleg KSBD.

>>25070860
oh shit you're right, i didn't open the image to full size til now
yeah no just based on that and the neutral MC pronouns it's trivially easy to guess the author is a troonoid lagoon creature, anyone who openly associated with or pays homage to K6BD is basically guaranteed to be a spiteful mutant genetic dead end

>K6BD
>inspiration from Hindu mythology, Greek Gnosticism, Berserk and Elder Scrolls.
>look inside
>Blacks and LGBT
Why are Americans like this?

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>>25070905
because burgerstani leftards are fundamentally the most racist and culturally imperialist people in existence
think of the most common accusations of racism, cultural appropriation, so on and so forth, these people are all of those things, that's why they use them as accusations

>>25070596
sally got the marble under her coat, not falling for magician tricks and slights of hand anymore

>>25070596
Sally will look in the box because she knows Anne is a thieving bitch

>>25069353
>Write or edit 500 words by the end of the thread.
This is so much harder than you'd imagine.
I do not get how some web novelists write 2K chapter a day.

>>25071020
I just finished writing 4k words.
>good night's sleep
>let myself relax on forcing the plot to happen quickly
>520mg caffeine
Instead of trying to write something 'good' just write what happens and leave editing and revising for future you.

>>25071020
>I do not get how some web novelists write 2K chapter a day.
Unironically, amphetamines. Probably prescription for most.

>>25071020
2k isn't even a lot. A few hours of work

If you pick a mythology you should stick to it, at some point the story starts reading like those deity battle royale manga because every character is coming from a wildly different setting, which more often than not results in tonal mismatch

>>25071181
But I want to see my ancestors' sky daddy beat up your ancestors' soiled arse goddess.

Looking for advice on how to gen some cover art. What models work best? Can I just give it a description of my characters and a desired pose and let it work? How difficult is it to get it to create what I have in my head? How do I word everything for best effect? Thanks in advance.

>>25070905
Pretty sure a lot of journalists have been getting laid off and just started writing webnovels over the past decade to avoid having to get real jobs.

>>25071189
For me covers are about making people click.
Meaning you maximize for thumbnail, interest and hook.
It should be tied into the content.

Meta (against rival covers, the column, the site background), Contrast (color, light, theme), Clarity (often just of one object), Human shape, Emotional Hook, Dynamism (simulating motions, etc).
Subjective maximized for by my judgement.

The model can be pretty bad if you design on this purpose.
Even a crayon drawing might score better than an elaborate noisy and messy shape.

I started last month. Got one title launched on RS (failed there on its merits) and another title on a cold account managed to go to 40 followers on two days work by me over the past 20 days.

>>25071189
The most powerful AI image tool is Stable Diffussion. It's also 100% free and /g/ has had threads for the past three years telling people how to install it. Stable Diffusion is also the most difficult to use and you need a strong computer, but you will get the best gens with a month or so of practice and inpainting. Stable Diffusion is also your best bet for making AI images that dont look like AI, because you can have a lot of control over the models and loras.

Midjourney is a lot easier. All you need is a discord and $20 and you have infinite book covers for a month. The only problem is Midjourney gens have a Midjourney look. But if you dont want to learn new programs or buy a new computer, this is your best bet.

Nano Banana is supposedly also great, but I havent used it myself.

>>25071028
>>25069353
You get your flowers for accomplishing the goal.

>>25071189
>>25071295
AI tools have improved a lot in giving you what you actually want, but you'll be better off if you go in with a "surprise me" attitude and dont care if the character it gives you isnt exactly what you had in mind. If you say "a cool looking knight and a castle'" it'll give you a lot of great stuff. If you say "a knight with red armor and a tutonic helmet with a lance in one hand and keys in the other. With a Scottish castle over a rocky craig..." you're less likely to get what you want.

Years ago, AI couldnt even count or get colors right. You say you want a character in a blue dress with black hair, it gave you a character with blue hair and a blue dress. But that was an easy fix in photoshop. AI is better at this sort of stuff now. But still, go in with a general idea of what you want and let the AI surprise you. It's a lot less frustrating.

>>25071195
A LOT of military vets, too, according to some of the RR botnets, and Ink before it imploded.

>>25070661
I'm MST and I just post whenever. Keep it consistent, or don't and guerrilla post it.

>>25070596
I used Claude for a while since it was the most brutal and hated my writing at every corner and actively challenged me; not once did it try to appease me or kowtow. But I stopped and relied on a few kind anons to provide feedback and critique instead, but realized even that wasn't any better. I just raw-dog the drafts now and trust my guts.

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>>25071484
chatgpt says everything I write is amazing

I got an idea for a novel bros, instead of reincarnating as a protagonist, you reincarnate as a villain. and instead winning heroines with good personalities you get villainous with bad personalities.
I'm going to title it
>I DEAD? conquering the nation with my villain harem system
some of the archetypes I have are
>Orphan thief girl
>Merchant greedy girl
>Stuck up Noble Girl
>Sadistic military girl
>Green tea girl

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its over, /wng/bros

>>25070596
Sally will look for the marble in the basket and the box, sally puts the marble into her basket but anne puts the marble into the box, not her box.
this implies sally and anne maintain joint ownership of the box where as sallys basket is owned 100% by her. anne telling sally they both own the marble puts it into a shared container, notice sally doesn't put her marble into her basket, but puts the marble into the basket, not the marble into the basket, this implies sally is a bad partner and unfaithful.

>>25071723
WE'RE BACK. Good slop will reign supreme! No website is going to want to host AI garbage if there's even a small chance it drags them into legal trouble.

>>25071723
Ask chat gpt to create game of thrones or in the style of martin. It does, you infringed on copyright.

>>25071732
The entire US economy rests on the data center, open ai, microsoft oroborus.

>>25070366
>>25070387
>>25070403
See maybe I'm higher on the spectrum then I thought because despite the jank of translation, this literalist prose stands head and shoulders above any Rowling's bitchy soccer-mom-esque simile's.

>>25070433
I know it's a personal failing but for whatever reason I cannot into a peice of entertainment who's advertising has a brown protagonist.

>>25071818
1. That's not a personal failing
2. That's perfectly normal. Everyone can only identify with characters that perfectly match one's own demographics; everyone knows this, and it is the foundation of "representation" as being something important. Not only should you not consume media with characters of a different skin tone than yourself, you also should not create such media.

For example, if you're not a hobbit, you shouldn't read Lord of the Rings. It's impossible for a non-hobbit to understand Frodo's struggles.

okay I've got an idea guys.
a hero has to go seven years into the future to defeat a great evil but after he beats the great evil he gets sent back in time and that timeline ceases to exist and he has all his memories.
and thats as far as i got ideas are hard.

>>25071791
That economy is nothing new

>>25071926
Isn't that just "a returners magic should be special"?

>>25071723
It'll be an embarrassing trial for the authors.

>>25071926
just ttgl and season 5 of samurai sam but its the waifu instead of the protag. you could get away with it probably

>>25071949
Its copyright tho, the idea is embrassing in and of itself so i could see it going either way in terms of what the judge decides, but as to what openai can do about it aside from seppuku i dont really see it.

>>25071949
If those faggots could win against Internet Archive, they can win against OpenAI (Which I believe also pirated some of its training data lol).

>>25071723
unfortunately unenforceable

>>25071723
>"uhum, achsually, I have copyright on English"

>>25071723
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25071020
>This is so much harder than you'd imagine.
>500 words
What?

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>deck builder tag

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>dick builder tag

>>25070608
What the hell is that pacing?
Why are those two still talk about nothing?
One thing I've noticed about EN authors, compared to eastern ones, be it CN, SEA, or JP, is that more things happen in their stories in short time.
In EN, you can read 15k words, but they won't tell you anything. Too much dressing up, in my opinion.
As for you, why do the two characters keep on the topic? Is it because it's more realistic that way? Make things happen! They see something moving in the dark, or one of them get sniped, whatever, START the story!
I genuinely can't fathom why you're still following the conversation.
A character losing an insignificant item isn't the plot; it's just the beginning of the chapter.

>>25071826
Thankyou from freeing me from Tolkien's puritanical yolk. Does this also mean I'm also free of the dreaded feMC?

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>>25072182
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>>25070667
What do you meant by a hyper-specific idea?

>>25072177
>>25072182
For the life of me I will never understand cardfags and their endless fixation on painted peices of cardboard.

>>25071926
>a hero has to go seven years into the future
Did he died too soon so he has to get kidnapped to the future to become a hero?

>>25071926
So you have no plot, no characters, no conflict. Good luck with your idea.

>>25071970
>Some
They just scraped everything without caring where it came from. They didn't even stop to think that using travel blogs and marketing posts on social media was probably a bad idea.

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To continue the Kingdom Building conversation from last thread - all the best sloppa in this genre is objectively written in the west ie. Spellmonger, Destiny’s Crucible and Safehold - its just technically not /wng/. The only interesting thing I’ve read in the East that does something similar is Mirror Legacy.
But it in the end self pub and Baen slop isn’t any different from a readers perspective. No sense in getting autistic about it. That’s one thing chink worshippers don’t take into account, while they were desperately consuming B grade material (because really after you’re done with top 10 or so eastern it’s a bunch of mediocre shit as well) they could have been reading Empire of Man/Prince Roger, early Honor Harrington (best space navy by far), Paladin of Shadows, Dresden Files, Challenger’s Call and all sorts of good shit that in reality is written for sloppers just the same. And we won’t get into the better harem fantasy works mogging the shit out of the east with their cardboard characters. Dont get me wrong I’m a big fan of RI and Er Gen etc but some people just never saw a chink ass they didn’t want to tongue. Even just within the wng sphere I’ve gotten the same Er Gen cracklike enjoyment from shit like DotF and ELLC, Gamer’s Guide is as interesting as Infinite Regressor, 1% Lifesteal, Last Life, Millennial Mage, Reborn: Apocalypse, Infinite World are all fun etc. hell even HDT. Worm would have been great if Wildbow wasn’t such a faggot. Ironically the Katalepsis troon is more interesting and somehow less obnoxious though I’ll grant it’s a niche thing. Point being some of you losers need to get better at actually finding good slop because you go straight for MoL, DCC, HWFWM and whatever other reddit crap and then you inevitably walk away disappointed.

>>25072322
Fuck I forgot to mention Dungeon Lord. Read that shit instead of Dungeon Defense because it’s just straight up better. Good example of what I’m talking about.

I just realized: readers aren't looking for a character arc, they're not looking for a character's growth, even if that's exactly what they say. They're looking for a dash of novelty and a character arc gives them that without radically changing things.

It's like genres. Once upon a time an isekai was, by itself, novel enough, but over time we've had so many of them that it's insufficient. Now we need isekai with a little twist for it to be novel. Character arcs are like that, but for a story you're already reading. Reading about an MC killing endless amounts of goblins gets boring, but if he changes a little bit then that makes it interesting enough to continue reading.

It's all about providing enough novelty to keep things interesting.

I'm continuously running up against the limits of my own creativity. What sort of "trump card" type move can I give to a character that is a "psychic puppetmaster"? As in, uses psychic powers to power and control special puppets. The only idea I'm getting is to make a temporary clone or multiple clones of a puppet, or to make it so that a puppet's attacks/actions repeat after a delay (like it shoots once but the target gets hit 3-4 times in rapid succession).

>>25072322
>they could have been reading Empire of Man/Prince Roger, early Honor Harrington (best space navy by far), Paladin of Shadows, Dresden Files, Challenger’s Call and all sorts of good shit
>Even just within the wng sphere I’ve gotten the same Er Gen cracklike enjoyment from shit like DotF and ELLC, Gamer’s Guide is as interesting as Infinite Regressor, 1% Lifesteal, Last Life, Millennial Mage, Reborn: Apocalypse, Infinite World are all fun etc. hell even HDT.
You don't get it. Western stories have this sanitized feel to it. You just know that certain types of content cannot happen in a story you pick up. You're not gonna get harem or gay jokes or misogyny or loli or racism (ironically misandry and other such stuff is considered fine). And these stories constantly signal that to you. Sometimes it's a few throwaway lines, other times it's explicit about pronouns.

You don't get that with eastern works. I'm sure they have their own taboos, but the signaling hasn't become obnoxious to me.

Older western stories seem to also not have this problem, but when I read He Who Fights With Monsters and they talk about how this fantasy world really likes earth pronoun shit it just takes me out of the story.

>>25072414
Here are some ideas
>Can control something other than a puppet, eg MC's friend
>Control many puppets at once (and use them as suicide bombers)
>Create a living puppet that doesn't need control to work (and is therefore stronger)
>Mass repair puppets
>He "himself" (that the MC meets) is secretly a puppet that he's controlling from somewhere else
>The entire building they're in is secretly a puppet controlled by the puppet master
>Every puppet within X feet springs to life under the control of the puppet master, everything that's technically a puppet
>Inside the puppet master's domain you will instantly forget about all puppets that you can't see
>Invisible puppets
>Sharp puppeteering strings - will cut through anything, therefore don't end up between the puppet master and the puppet

>>25072402
They say writing is about set up and pay off.
Webnovel is about pay off and cliffhanger.

Familiarity with a twist is the way to go.

>>25072443
>Control something other than a puppet
Plausible, MC already does this to himself to substitute for martial arts, but doesn't really feel like it would be a trump card. When I say trump card, I mean something he pulls out as a final attack or last resort. Ex. Kamen Rider's Rider Kick, or Kamehameha, or Waterswamp Kingdom in A Will Eternal, or I suppose a Domain Expansion in JJK if you're zoomie zoom zoom.
>Control many puppets at once
Possible but wouldn't fit MC's character. Usually the number of puppets you can control is limited by your natural number of psionic threads and past a certain stage your splitting ratio (how many times you can split a base thread). Stronger puppets demand more threads, so something to forcefully raise the splitting ratio for a short time would be a good powerup even if it's not for horde tactics.
>Mass repair puppets
Conceptually good but I don't know how to do it within the power system, the systemic tools to let a character do this are not there so I would have to develop them.
>A "puppet clone" indistinguishable from the original body
Possible but not the type of trump card I'm trying to figure out right now.
>The building is in fact a puppet
Possible if he stays in one place for a while to have the time to convert the structure into a puppet, but would be a one-off, and not really practical
>Every puppet within X feet is now under MC's control
This would either be useless in 99% of situations (if it works only on idle puppets) or would break the power system (if it overrides everyone else's control over their own puppets)
>domain where you lose all object permanence but for puppets only
maybe?
>invisible puppets
viable but not really what i'm looking for, he even already has active camo but i purposely made it so it's extremely rare because i don't like writing invisishit
>Sharp strings
Could work. The threads are normally mostly non-physical and even invisible, more like tethers of psionic energy, you can only see where they start and where they connect to the puppet at most. There's a way to make them physical and I've definitely considered a typical "monomolecular whip" type thing.

I will start a non-leftist youtube webnovel review channel.

>>25072460
Will you be showing yourself?

>>25072454
>Familiarity with a twist is the way to go.
Yes, because a setup + payoff gets boring if it's the same thing over and over.

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>>25072188
Its purpose is characterization and to build relatability. I know that typically you would merge such characterization with more active plot elements, but every time I do that, people complain that my story is too loaded. So, this is an experiment.
Dunno, if this is "kill your darling" situation, pic related is an abridged version, but I feel like it skips most of the characterization.

I've been thinking about writing a story involving mobsters. Here's my question: do I make these mobsters Italian coded, Slavic coded, Latin American coded, or just a mix of random shit that refers to no particular nationality?

>>25072584
This is some worldbuilding thing, you need to be able to figure that out on your own. Nobody else knows what your intentions are.

>>25072584
That depends on what sort of tone you want. But also have an extra-evil completely sociopathic "other mob" that is jew mob coded.
Coding is the operative word here. Don't make it too obvious.

>>25072455
If MC can control his own body like a puppet, could he try to do the same to other's bodies? What about the dead? Animals? Could end up looking kinda like necromancy if so.

>>25072632
>Control others
Possible but also not practical. The big advantage of "Puppet Body Art" is that manifesting threads inside his own body doesn't count towards his maximum.
It could work against fodders, but against people of his same cultivation level would be difficult. Basically it's an issue of "if you can get past all their defenses to do this thing, you might as well just use that opening to blow their head up like in Scanners"
Controlling corpses would maybe be an option if he doesn't have access to his puppets or if the corpse is the body of someone of a higher stage so would make for a great puppet by virtue of raw strength

I'm somewhat planning on having a character appear that would make for a good "living puppet" so that might be an option but I don't think it would fill the hole I want to fill.

>>25072643
>>25072632
I also just generally don't want to have MC controlling other characters, not that kind of puppetmaster. This one guy that lets him do it because his body cultivation is fucked and he can't access his own full strength would be an exception.

I would like to formally apologize for all my cover advice over the last few weeks. I was wrong and my sense of aesthetics is just not applicable to book covers. I will no longer comment whatsoever on other anon's book covers, but I will continue to pray for everyone's success.

>>25072683
What changed your mind?

>>25072584
Make them russian or asian. Don't make them jewish that would be the most epstein mistake to make.

>>25072759
Poisoned my early launch with a bad cover. I changed my cover to something else more in line with the popular RR aesthetic and instantly got the results I should have been getting based on how on-meta my story and blurb were. Or I could be totally wrong still, I just have no confidence anymore.

>>25072877
It was the cover. With so many 'on-meta' stories being released all the time how else do you think the successful ones stand out?

>>25072501
That seems fine.
I truly meant what I said about 'more things happening', though.
If you're writing this way, unless you got really strong character, you would have to compensate with a lot of plots/points moving.
Or you could insert action scenes.

>>25073020
That's a horrible amount of views and ratings and readers for 242 chapters.
Is it popular in China?

>>25073020
Certified /wn/gem

>>25073020
Will this be posted on RR?

>>25072907
>Or you could insert action scenes.
there is tension in full, but it is subtle

>>25073214
> slave owner
> he was very satisfied with this time travel outcome
sure, it seems like a story RR would love.

>>25072414
Pretty sure i read your story some, inordinately large storage dimension author, but why not have consumables? Puppets are more about being prepared anyway, so just pulling out a bankai or whatever isnt as thematic as 'I cast grenade'. Since hes a crafter to an extent, have him craft something consumable out of rare shit, any 'mage' type wants a get-out-of-jail free card.

>>25072414
He can puppet himself and move faster than he would controlling his body normally.

>>25072414
What powers does he have currently?

It's only 2500 words but I have a deadline approaching and don't know how to start the chapter.

>>25073020
hahaha pols favorite isekai

>>25073485
waking up and looking in a mirror

>>25073509
I've currently barely explained how the characters look and I intend to keep it that way.

>>25073521
waking up and looking in a dirty mirror

>>25073571
"The young woman gets out of bed. Getting ready was rather easy for her, as she already picked the dress the night earlier. After getting dressed she immediately heads to the bathroom and prepares brushing her teeth, only to find that her mirror was dirty.

Her heart was pulsating rapidly, how is she supposed to observe proper hygiene without live feedback! She paces in circles, unsure of how to solve this crisis. "Okay, remember what your mother taught you." She said.

She begins to close her eyes and take deep breaths. The fog that once filled her mind starts to dissipates until an image of an open cabinet containing a Windex cleaner appears. "That's it!" She opens the cabinet underneath her sink and finds the Windex cleaner right where she remembered. Ecstatic, she quickly sprays it all over the mirror, using a used rug near her dental care accessories to wipe the mirror thoroughly. Finally, she is able to begin brushing her teeth."

It's a solid start I guess.

>>25073622
why in present tense?
it is very dry by webnovel standards
why would an adult do this?
>"Okay, remember what your mother taught you." She said.

doesn't tell us anything about who that person is or what they want, consider skipping all that

>>25071722
Otome anime
Its good that it is already a trope, you can write web novels more easily for a built in audience addicted to those tropes

>>25073664
>why in present tense?
The prompt was present tense.
>it is very dry by webnovel standards
It is admittedly. I am forced to do an audience shift and I feel like they like more purple prose but I'm scared of overdoing it and am prioritizing legibility until discussing things with an editor.

>>25073710
If you just don't know how to start, do you know what's going to happen in the chapter?

>>25073745
Yeah. It's mostly slice of life where an unfamiliar traveler is guided to a small marketplace as a reward, and I intend for the guide to be jump scared by someone who hasn't been seen in a very long time at the very end.

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>>25073935
Uh oh, another melty incoming

>>25073935
It takes 10 positive ratings to barely undo it. Ruining 7 month of somebodies work is not nice but welp that is trade off.

why be mean imo

>>25073935
Thanks bro.
Another anon gave a 5 star after what you have done.

/WNG/ IS A FAMILY

>>25073935
>>25073988
Aren't ratings given less weight than full reviews? I don't think it'll do much to dent you.

On the topic of ratings and their weight, does the ranking score mean jack shit? I saw someone in the RR forums celebrating reaching rank 1000, but after checking their work, they don't have that many ratings and generally mediocre stats all around. I did see that a large portion of all their ratings were from review swaps, so I guess that was what did it?
I refuse all review swaps and my ranking is lower as a result, but all my other stats are much higher than theirs. It seems like a totally pointless number with this context.

>>25073774
The next day, Anon woke with a sore back.
“Mm…” A soft moan drifted from beside him.
He turned and found Stacy bundled up in the blanket - his blanket - looking perfectly comfortable. Meanwhile, his back…
Crack!
A sharp pain shot straight to his temple. He bit his lip to keep from screaming like a little bitch.
“God, why do I do this to myself?” he muttered, dragging his fingers through his salt-and-pepper hair.
How was it that every other reincarnator got reborn as a baby or a teenager, while he was stuck lugging around his old, worn-out body? Where was the fairness in that?
Moving as carefully as he could, Anon eased himself out of bed and stumbled toward the water basin. The water was nearly freezing, but at least it distracted him from the pain, slightly.
If there was one thing he missed about Earth, it was a boiling-hot shower in the morning.
And Tylenol.
He would gladly trade every so-called cheat skill he had for a pill or two.
Speaking of…
“Hey, system,” he muttered. “How come there isn’t a single healing skill for me to unlock? What kind of second-rate system are you?”
[Ding! Answering the host’s question, the skill tree available to the host is determined based on the host’s based talent and cognitive abilities.]
“Cognitive abilities?”
[In simpler terms: the host is too dumb to learn medicine.]
A vein twitched in his temple.
Anon swore that if this goddamn system ever got a physical body, he’d string it up with rusty chains and flocked it until it whimpered for mercy.
[Host, please refrain from having perverted fantasies about this system.]
“Who the hell is having perverted thoughts for you?! Fuck!”
He cursed whichever god had dragged him to this backwater planet and shackled him to the most obnoxious system imaginable. But the more he raged, the worse the pain became. Anon sucked in a slow breath.
Calm down. Think happy thoughts.
Right, Pepe had promised to show him around the black market today. If there was anywhere he might get his hands on a miracle cure to loosen his stiff joints, it would be there.
With that thought, Anon cleaned up and got dressed. He also helped himself to the gold coins in Stacy’s purse.
He glanced back at the young woman sprawled across his bed. The blanket was gone. One foot rested on his pillow. She snored.
Anon took a few more coins.
Surely, after everything he’d done for her, she’d want him to have them. Plus, she was the reason he was in pain. It was only fair.

>>25072414
The puppeteer can puppeteer an exosuit of some sort under their clothes that vastly increases their speed and strength if they're attacked directly.

Most people are going to treat summoner type builds as weak in close combat and the primary target over their summons, so it makes sense to have a trump card relating to their body, and trump cards should be the sort of shit you pull out when pressed, not shit you should have relied on in the first place, and obviously a summoner isn't going to engage in direct combat if they can help it.

>>25070253
>The release schedule doesn't matter as long as it's interesting.
Your average person doesn't like shit ending in a cliff hanger and release schedule is obviously indicative of how likely that is to happen.

If a work's releases are neither recent nor consistent, and if the work isn't finished, experienced readers won't give it the time of day.

>>25074013
yikes

>>25074011
yes, you can farm ranking with review swaps. However even a 4.5 or 4.0 can tank the rating and drop you heavily in the rankings, so these boosted works will fall unless they keep doing it. Some people do this. I met someone early on who later spammed a massive amount of review swaps, the more recent ones seemingly AI-generated, just to keep their story in the top 500 or whatever.

Your rank is completely irrelevant if you're not in the top 200 or something. Nobody will find you by browsing the top-rated list, but by searching tags and keywords.

>>25073710
You should depriotize readability and add more friction and complexity.
We can't complain about bad readers when we write with frictionless cliches

>>25074011
Yes, it's mostly meaningless. Volume of views seems to matter the most.

>>25073935
>scion of the weathiest city
did you mean family??

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>>25074172
Read the lore

>>25074176
Nah, I'll pass, thanks

>>25074192
If so, you will never know the true meaning of life.

>>25073935
yah. some faggot here gave me a one. family my ass.

>>25073622
"WIndex" is a trademarked brand name. If you ever have a full patreon account, Windex lawyers will helpfully clean it out for you if they feel like it. There's a reason for made up product names that "sound just like" the real product.

>>25074235
It's just the same piece of shit mad that no one has read his loveless story.
Most people here are bros.

>>25074235
deserved, shit novel, shit author, shit cover, shit attitude

>>25074257
Shit poster, shit soul, shit human.

>>25074074
tag and keyword are still sorted by rank within those. If you are eliminating all but 10% of novels with tags, a top 1000 ranked novel would (potentially) be in the first 10 search results, while a top 10000 would be in the first 100.

>>25074240
Trademarks aren't copyrights. You can't be sued for simply using them if you aren't using them in a context where something could be confused for the trademarked product.

What you need to watch out for is making false claims about a product's use/safety/effectiveness, if the product actually exists, irrespective of whether or not the product's name has been trademarked.

Describing a product being used as it is intended isn't going to catch a lawsuit either.

>>25074298
That's legally true, but in certain cases that doesn't matter. The NFL is notoriously litigious over Super Bowl usage. If it wants to go after legal usages, there's nothing to stop them from doing so. Their resources are far greater than yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation

>>25074323
wrong

>>25074324
Wrong in what way? That the wealthy and powerful can't ignore the law?

>>25074235
I'll shout you out in my webnovel

>>25074235
There are many toxic and dysfunctional families that seek to destroy its members.

What's with western web novel tagging and creators not knowing what "anti-hero" means?

An asshole that happens to sometimes kill other villains, but is otherwise a murderous self-serving sociopath and rapist willing to kill anyone that pisses him off or inconveniences him and unwilling to go out of his way to save someone unrelated to him isn't a fucking anti-hero.

I was looking for shit to read and I was running across so many incorrect "anti-hero protagonist" series that I just started filtering the tag out of distrust.

>>25074354
>An asshole that happens to sometimes kill other villains, but is otherwise a murderous self-serving sociopath and rapist willing to kill anyone that pisses him off or inconveniences him and unwilling to go out of his way to save someone unrelated to him
That's an antihero

>>25074369
Is Wormtongue an antihero?

>>25074371
I didn't read lotr

>>25074369
No, it's a regular 100% villain. Even legitimate villains tend to cooperate with other villains but a guy who kills both good and evil is like some kind of giga psycho

>>25074376
Killing someone who pisses you off or inconveniences you is self defense.

>>25074371
fuck no. he's the epitome of the greasy slime-ball politician.

>>25074369
that's not what an anti-hero is. people get this widespread child-like understanding and like to use their new vocabulary word they think sounds all college educated. Antihero. As the old Princess-Bride meme said "I do not think, you know, what that word means."

Nothing means anything. All that matters is popular understanding.

>>25074420
you are wrong and are too autistic to realize it.

Belief in one's own correctness matters more than being correct.

>>25074369
That's just an evil person.
The Punisher is an Anti-hero. He fights evil and saves people, like a hero, but he uses methods and goes to extremes no true hero would. He is NOT self-serving and he doesn't kill people just because they annoy him.

>>25074437
The punisher is a hero, there is nothing anti about him.

>>25074298
I know the difference between copyright and trademark. And no, you can't just use a trademarked brand name product in your novel, just because you aren't claiming its unsafe. A registered trademark, is a company's *brand*. If they feel like it? They can just say they don't like the product being associated with your work. That's their property, they can demand license or permission to use it, they can disallow at will. As I said, there is a *reason* that published paperbacks are famous (infamous?) for those stupid named products. The character likes to drink "Koka-Cola" or "Mountain Rain", for instance. Do what you want, but things are done the way they are for a reason. You "ape" the real product to the point everyone knows *exactly* which real product you are referring to. I know its a stupid dance, but its like that for a real reason.
>
The only exception? Is when a trademarked brand name becomes the common word for the product. The famous instance, Kleenex. Its practically the common word for "tissue" now. Don't capitalize Kleenex, use kleenex and you're fine. Capitalization refers to the proper noun which is the registered trademark; kleenex lower case can be the common word in common usage.
>
the company doesn't have to prove you harmed their brand. The only thing that saves most WN's, is that it goes below radar. But get popular and make some real cash? They can demand anything for their retroactive licensing. You can think of it like "borrowing" someone's car. Without their permission or knowledge. The fact you didn't wreck (harm) the car? Is quite immaterial.

>>25074442
>That's their property, they can demand license or permission to use it, they can disallow at will.
wrong

>>25074424
no. I'm not. You simply type "what is an antihero" into the google search bar. You get:
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Key characteristics of an anti-hero include:

Relatability: They are more human and flawed than traditional, "perfect" heroes.
Questionable Morals: They often follow their own code rather than the law, using "any means necessary" to achieve their goals.
Motivations: While they can be driven by self-interest or vengeance, their actions can sometimes align with a greater good, or they may be forced into a heroic role.
Distinction from Villains: Unlike villains, anti-heroes are usually the emotional center of the story and often fight for what is right, just in an unconventional way.

Common examples of anti-heroes include characters like Walter White (Breaking Bad), Deadpool, Tony Soprano, and Batman.
------------------------
note "distinction from villains". Dipshit. These are box-standard off the shelf definitions in use for decades. the fact some weeb (you) had a fuck-the-pillow party in knee socks and you all thought it would be oh so clever to decide on a new definitions. That really doesn't change shit. Now if that makes me autistic, IE that I can read and write and remember definitions of things. Then I say that shit proudly. You guys all sit around and describe "noir" to a capital T? And no one will say the word noir. Its not autism, to read and write and know what words actually mean.

>>25074449
>They often follow their own code rather than the law, using "any means necessary" to achieve their goals.
that is exactly the second paragraph here: >>25074354

Walter White is a villain btw

>>25074442
>As I said, there is a *reason* that published paperbacks are famous (infamous?) for those stupid named products.
Harry Potter namedrops Playstation. Those stupid named products are generally because a company hasn't coughed up for a product placement or as a joke because the practice has become a cultural meme or because the product is being used in an unflattering or improper light.

>>25074444
Gee. Lets do the math here. Wife, has a corporate law degree. Which by the way covers all other law degrees under it. Then, there's (you). Claiming contrary retarded shit. With no argument beyond "I said so, trust me." Yeah, people should listen to (you). And that's sarcasm, anon. You might wanna look that vocabulary word up as well.

>>25074457
Gee. Lets do the math here. I, have a corporate law degree. Which by the way covers all other law degrees under it. Then, there's (you). Claiming contrary retarded shit. With no argument beyond "I said so, trust me." Yeah, people should listen to (you). And that's not sarcasm, anon. You might wanna look that vocabulary word up as well.

>>25074449
Batman, classically, is a hero. He would not go to "any means necessary" to get the job done.
>Walter White
lmao

>>25074457
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nominative_use

Have a talk with your wife, dipshit.

>>25074454
>that is exactly the second paragraph here
you missed the "distinction from villains" part which isn't present in the quoted post.

>>25074456
>Harry Potter namedrops Playstation.
the author, is a literal billionaire. With huge success. Pretty sure someone at the publishing company made sure it was okay. Look, JK rowling can do it. They have the juice and the popularity to get the okay. Stephen King? He routinely gets license granted to use song lyrics and products. I doubt you have that kind of juice.

>>25074460
you can accuse me of being autistic all day long. But don't *ever* accuse me of being a lawyer, anon. Them's fighting words. (lmFao)

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>>25074449
>Batman
This is hard to argue becasue so many interpretations of the character exist, but I'd say he's or of a hero.
Harley quinn, Catwoman Villains who have heroic turns, are better examples.
Or just redhood, who is basically batman if he was as you described and breaks batmans moral code which is not using firearms and killing people.

>>25074467
>the author, is a literal billionaire
that just means that she is a prime target for lawsuits
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_disputes_over_the_Harry_Potter_series

>>25074467
You have now literally argued that trademark holders won't go after people with money AND won't go after people without money.

>>25074475
Trademark holder actually have a legal incentive to fuck anyone in court, I'm not sure about other companies but in the US if you don't defend your copyright you lose it.
Escalator and Jacuzzi were the names of companies not objects, but years of not fighting people in court for using the name to sell similar products caused it to become so common among people they couldn't go after people any longer.
Another copyrighted brand that is synonymous with a tool is Taser.

>>25074464
you do what you want. If the company claims you harmed their brand because you appropriated it for use in your novel? burden of proof is initially on you. Word to the wise, dipshit. "fair use" is for discussing or referencing the product. I want to do a consumer review. Note the survey use. That, is "fair use". But your character drinking Mountain Dew or Smoking Marlboro Lights all the time? Nope. That's not referencing the product. That's appropriating the brand. My wife is kicking her legs laughing at you. Her exact words. "Another armchair lawyer, god save us. Everyone thinks living together for x years, makes them legally married common-law. The armchair's don't know what that means either. Tell him if he's so sure of himself, to represent himself in court. He can introduce Wikipedia as evidence." (thanks anon. you really made the wife's day)

>>25074483
cringe

if only there were a web novel author familiar with law to help us out here. maybe one that is trans and jewish.

>>25074483
I’m sorry, TINA, but you saying you have a wife destroys my suspension of disbelief

>>25074480
>Trademark holder actually have a legal incentive to fuck anyone in court
Trademark holders are litigious about their trademarks being used *in trade* because it's a use it or lose it system.

>>25074485
only cringe? you forgot to say "yikes!"
if being objectively correct, is cringe. Then I'm cringy as hell. Key point here. fair use is for the purposes of a review. A survey. describing who you are. Its not the ability to put trademarked brands into movies and books.

>>25074501
this anon is an antihero btw

>>25074492
>I’m sorry, TINA, but you saying you have a wife destroys my suspension of disbelief
sorry for your luck. New vocabulary word? "pen name". I have several.

LARPING INTENSIFIES

Just did 1k words on my new otome game story, I hope you bros are having a cool and productive day.

The author of Phantom Star got a c&d from production ig or something because he explicitly mentioned Tachikomas so it is something to be weary of in any case even in the web novel scene.

>>25074483
You might want to tell your non-existent wife that copyright and trademarks are different things. The purpose of trademarks is to send a signal of a brand to the consumer. A trademark violation happens when a reasonable person might confuse two trademarks: you buy Adibas shoes thinking that they were Adidas shoes.

Technically you're allowed to include trademarks in your fictional content, if they're used appropriately, but there's a chance that it could be considered tarnishment of the brand (ie of the content of the fiction is objectionable). There's also a high likelihood that they will use lawyers to intimidate you even if you're in the right.

>>25074509
this is what I love about this place. You can't say the sky is blue without an argument. Though I do derive great amusement from the logic employed at times. Observation. I think tina-anon said something. Conclusion. It has to be wrong. Now? Say the line, shill "no one respond to that anon! Find a way to report them!" You couldn't have a shittier attitude. Then you wonder why people don't like to associate themselves with this place, even if they do find success one day. Wouldn't you guys take great pride if an author one day gut published, for them to say "oh yeah. fuck writer's camps. fuck creative writing professors. I learned all I needed to know? On /lit/. Reddit? Useless."

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I don't have have a dog in this argument but I will mention, A book I've unfortunately read is ready player one.
>Western dystopian Litrpg
Earnest cline pretty much fills his book with pop culture references,
He wasn't sued into oblivion becasue I think his references were mere mentions and he wasn't misrepresenting anything or confusing customers like calling coco cola a car or something.
He even got it turned into a film, which however did need several agreements from copyright holders to depict the characters and things he referenced.
but I'm not reading the entire conversation chain so ignore me really this is probably irrelevant.

>>25074524
incomprehensible post

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>>25069328
Thinking of rewriting/relaunching my previous story with this cover. Think the last launch failed partially because the cover was fucking terrible.
Then again, I don't even think this cover is that interesting, but at least I made myself. I will die before resorting to AI slop.

>>25074520
wow is she in a good mood. you guys are killing her. Hold on, I want to get this right. Tell them (c) indicates a copyright, and (tm) indicates a trademark. but tell them to go on and use either one, any way they feel like. Nothing bad could ever happen. (I'm pretty sure that last statement was pure verbal ironic sarcasm? But according to you, I'm autistic, so what the hell do I know. you do you.) Guys, you got free legal advice. What you do with it, is on you. But I'm telling you. If your rapist killer villain likes to get waxed on Mountain Dew and go out chopping up young women. You're going to be in a world of financial hurt when they hit you. If it was a popular KU book and there were print on demand sales? You permanently damaged their brand. And they know how much you made so they know how much to ask for. Do what you want.

>>25074540
hey, the shill said the line. thanks.
(its only incomprehensible, if you're ESL)

>>25074548
yikes forever

>>25074546
>I will die before resorting to AI slop.
Have you considered using public domain art that isn't AI slop?

>>25074546
that's not bad, anon. I always like red letters. blood red's eye catching. Maybe a diff. font. a diff. background might work better. I like the gold thing. Is that a crown? and is that a chicken egg. What underlying theme are you trying to convey.

>>25074552
thanks. my new motto... "yikes forever, forever yikes" (YFFY)
I like it.

>>25074548
post your wife's feet

>>25074540
Do not reply to Tinashit.

>>25074546
Different font. Ok otherwise.

>>25074553
I'm not really fond of that idea. I feel that stitching someone's art together would dishonor the artist, regardless of whether they are long dead.

>>25074554
Yes, it is a crown, and the white circle is the moon.
The crown represents an eye, while the moon represents its pupil.
So, thematic relevance is that humans are driven by greed (represented by the crown eye) and power (represented by the moon pupil).
I guess it is more subtle than I thought.

>>25074546
I think it "failed" because you stopped posting desu. Nothing will change if you don't post in the first place

>>25074546
It's that a crown or some kind of a gear?

>>25074546
That's still a god awful cover and would give me zero urge to click on such a story no matter what title or blurb it had.

>>25074562
>Do not reply to Tinashit.
and those that listen to you and hang on your every suggestion? You're doing me a favor. Thanks for the good looking out. I wasn't aware I found such favor with you, anon. I'm touched.

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>>25074573
>Yes, it is a crown, and the white circle is the moon.
>The crown represents an eye, while the moon represents its pupil.
>So, thematic relevance is that humans are driven by greed (represented by the crown eye) and power (represented by the moon pupil).
>I guess it is more subtle than I thought.
okay. I got your thematic meaning. cool.
I can definitely get a better moon, and dont even need AI. I can ellipse-crop out of establised public use. Does it have to be that crown. if it is, can I have it on a no-background. I'd assume you generated it. I tried transparency layering it, and it works but I'm picking up too much reflected black. I can crop out the lettering to allow for better font at the end. here's a sample of what I'm talking about (PIC REL). I have some GIMP-fu. I think the right 3-d textured background would make this work. along with the better moon.

>>25074582
Crown. I guess I should make it more curvy and pointy.
>>25074578
I feel like it was dead on arrival. I didn't follow the guide to success; I should have done daily chapters instead of releasing two chapters a week.
Even then, the way I wrote was amateurish and uninteresting, well below the standards of RR.

>>25074613
Sounds like your first mistake was relying on any guide and not just writing for the sake of the story.

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>>25074609
>I'd assume you generated it.
No. When I said I made it, I meant it. I made a full 3D model in Blender.
I'm not sure about the background. I feel the darkness is kinda symbolic.
>along with the better moon.
Could probably apply moon texture on the circle, but I didn't find moon texture on ambientcg, so I let it pass. Maybe NASA has something that could be used.

I appreciate the enthusiasm for helping me out, but I don't want to bother you too much. Especially since I'm adept in Gimp, Inkscape, and Blender.

>>25074013
Pretty good. I can't do well with this type of humor. I did figure out a beginning and now I just gotta figure out the remaining 2000 words, or at least 1500 words.
>>25074240
I'd never do something like this in something serious, though I love to make references just by changing one letter. It's admittedly dumb but it is fun.
>>25074111
I do intend to get more whimsical with my prose and it's something I should work on. Definitely something for later chapters and not for the earlier ones, though.

>>25074645
>I appreciate the enthusiasm for helping me out, but I don't want to bother you too much.
If you want something to sell you got to bother people. Especially if they volunteer. I've learned to say okay to every volunteer of help unless if they are extremely shady or unable to take critiques.

>>25074645
relax. I'm having fun. I need all the experience at GIMP-fu I can get anyways. God forbid I get a decent reference for you to work on. Hold on. Initial mock up coming soon.

>>25074381
Defense against what? Butthurt?

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very very rough idea of what I was going for. PIC REL.
I can definitely improve on this basic concept with enough time put in.

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It only keeps rising while others fall. Archmage really is the speed ticket to success

>>25074738
The entire concept is flawed. Abstract covers simply do not work on RR.

>>25074546
the contrasts (color, light dark) are good the font for the text is bad

>>25074739
archmage will drop probably now review bombs are starting to hit over the ai thing

Any webnovels about a character that specializes in counterspells?

>>25074613
Maybe rework the crown a bit(there are too many spikes in it imo), and have it shown in 2d from the front with the moon above it? Crowns are rarely completely circular, because human heads aren't like that either

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>>25074645

>>25074834
Reincarnated • The Overpowered Mage Starts a New Life ~Breezing through a World 1000 Years into the Future as the Strongest Mage~

>>25074645
I liked the hoi2 looking map you had as a cover. It worked. It was enough to get me interested and click on it and follow it for a while until you dropped it. Should've just stuck with it imo desu senpai.

>>25074834
The Magic in this Other World is Too Far Behind!

Technically he specializes in meta magic, but he tends to fight smarter, not harder, so he'll try to hard counter enemies he can't instantly delete.

>>25074880
nice. see, how good a rough reference throw-up can be. I like that way better.

>>25074880
pro tip: layering. If the crown is the top layer, and the moon is the bottom layer. Scale the moon until it just fits the "eye". Parts of the crown will look in front of it. as long as you paste as a layer, you can switch layers.

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>novelupdates.com/series/fantasy-i-listening-to-music-in-the-brothel-simulate-becoming-a-god/
Currently reading this. Not sure how to feel about it, it's like the worse version of longevity simulator, however it's still interesting, the endless simulations allow the mc to experience/act out story events in many different ways.

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Guys, do you think Nepresso would be willing to collaborate with me?
Imagine buying a coffee machine and finding a copy of Unlucky Antagonist inside the box.

>>25074738
Good try, I suppose. Maybe it does look more like an eye.
>>25074880
yeah that's pretty nice, but like other anon said, it kinda weird the moon above the crown

>>25072414
If you want it to be a last resort only thing, you should make it something that puts his own body/mind at risk. Being a puppet master, this would be out of the ordinary and unexpected from the enemy's perspective. You're the Zanma guy right? Don't you already have a gun of some kind embedded in his arm? What if he overcharged it or something and it causes damage? Or what if there's a secret technique he can use to split his psionic strands more than usual but he has to deal with bad after effects. You already have him using substances of various kinds, could be something to do with one of those.

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>>25072414
>What sort of "trump card" type move can I give to a character that is a "psychic puppetmaster"?
Something completely unrelated

>>25075092
>Imagine buying a coffee machine and finding a copy of Unlucky Antagonist inside the box.
I would be pleasantly surprised and put next to the copy I'd already have.

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>>25075143
Absolute Chad

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>>25074999
>hoi2 looking map
I don't really see the comparison.

>>25075151
Images that makes you want to join a canadian seal clubbing squad to beat back the menace of seal cubs.

Since all the stealh archer builds I plan to implement my favorite OP skyrim build into my next story.

Lets see if they like it.

>>25075203
Humans and seals must put their differences aside, and unite against the Penguin menace.

>>25075222
The South Vanadian Penguin Empire is a threat but the infestation of seal cubs especially when they enter your house at night, breed in the walls and eat your food is far more pernicious.

>>25075243
Well, this means it's time for a BBQ.

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How the fuck do you write a kingdom building novel?

>>25075267
Read some kingdom building novels and ape them?

>>25075267
you first write a cliffnote version, call it the B plot that is how the kingdom will develop

put in the necessary timespan and timeskip
each timeskip should have a tour and or visitation of the effects of time passing

then you create an A plot that is the character driven part that provides conflict in between

>>25075267
You read Tensura, and do the opposite

>>25075291
one thing that helps me is to outline the final state
then I think how to logical arrive there step by step

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>>25075267
ignore slime and realist hero.
maybe read
>Accomplishments of the Duke's Daughter.
>The Genius Prince's Guide to Raising a Nation Out of Debt
>Log horizon
Decide if you want to focus on economics, political bullshit, military autism, or urban planning.
Currently airing anime include.
>Easygoing Territory Defense by the Optimistic Lord
If you make mayonnaise the lynch pin product of your empire I will curse you.

>>25075267
read Demesne

>>25075321
>>realist hero
Yeah, that thing is retarded.
>MC tells wood elves how to take care of trees, because, despite living in trees for centuries, they are too stupid to figure out why the trees are dying
>Kingdoms suffer famine because all farmers farm cotton, but because everyone is farming cotton, cotton has become valueless, but they still do it. To solve the crisis, MC tells farmers to grow food instead of cotton
>Also, MC has magic pens that just book-scrape all known information into his brains
This is just wonderfully shit. But I find it inspiring that something so horrible can become relatively popular.

>>25074442
Explain Stephen king's universe where everything is branded

>>25074490
She would never deign to help 4chuds like us. Too busy grooming subordinates at her legal firm and making them crossdress.
For legal reasons this post is a joke.

>>25074546
AI is here to stay and as long as a human edits the words or gens a few pics to get a good one people won't care.
People want good stories and at fast intervals.
How are you going to supply stories at the speed they want without ai?

>>25075341
>MC tells wood elves how to take care of trees, because, despite living in trees for centuries, they are too stupid to figure out why the trees are dying

Wasn't that to clear out trees? lol
That is self correcting in forests and does not lead to forest death.

>>25075363
I've noticed some of the stories I've been reading start doing the AI cadence. Makes me instantly lose interest.
Even in the world of AI written stories, better storytellers that put in more effort even into an ai-gen story will succeed while the rest fade into the sea of slop.

>>25075365
Yes, which is why it is so stupid.

>>25075368
Tolkien, Dickens, and every textbook used -- and --- em dashes. Textbooks usually used them just to add a bit of bonus info. It an 'essay' cliche.
The frequency and predictability that AI uses them can be a telltale, but a human editor can improve it.
When its 1000-4000 words a chapter and the chapters soemtimes go forever, you are bound to see writers wanting to add some interesting syntax so it isnt boring for the writer.

>>25075368
And staccato sentences are written that way to shorten breathe because reader sub vocalize everything they read. Reading books like Hunger Games, Divergent, and Twilight will literally shorten your breath.
The really interesting thing about Twilight is that Steph Meyer or her editor wrote the sentences at breathe pace so a reader will get cozy with the reading and then actually feel the anxious thoughts when Bella got emo.

As more people engage with LLMs, the stream of consciousness will transfer from the LLM to the user. Humans are already using more em dashes

seems my past story lead only to a conversion of lukewarm 7 curiosity followers out of 200+ of the old story... meh

I give them a chance to convince me to invest a month into a hook that clearly failed to convert cold (by my standards) and will abandon it otherwise.

>>25075267
>How the fuck do you write a kingdom building novel?
First decide what sort of path you want your MC to have to a "kingdom".

>Built up town
>Built up dungeon
>Built up frontier
>Conquered kingdom
>Trade empire
>Lost civilization
>Summoned hero brought in explicitly to provide future knowledge
>etc

Then decide whether you want your MC to be a tool for the status quo, be running around destroying the social order, or something in between.

Then work out whether you want your MC to be evil, amoral, cutthroat, or idealistic.

Then decide whether you want them to get sneaky with it.

Then decide what level of tech you want the world to be working with and if magic is in play.

Then write it.

>>25075402
>>25075412
I'm not even talking about the em dashes but the
>Not X, Not Y, Just Z
And it shows up multiple times in a chapter, it's unnatural as fuck and doesn't resemble anything I've read before prior to even two years ago.

>>25075450
Did you self edit or did you use an editor or an AI editor like Gemini's gem?
I dont mind if you used AI as a tool.

>>25075457
I used Grammarly when I was at home on my PC, but I did most of the job on the train, reading and editing live on my phone.

Does grammarly use the text we send in to train their ai? Im pretty sure their keyboard uses everything you type to train on already.

>>25075480
All last week, I reread and fixed chapters during the day, giving them a final check with Grammarly once I got home.
It’s okay, since I used Royal Road’s editor.

>>25075352
dang. we'll never know the real answer.

>>25075352
don't want to libel a person under an anonymous account on an anonymous basket weaving board or it might damage their anonymous reputation

bro what the fuck is wrong with webnovel.com im not paying to read shitty stories. where can i pirate shadow slave where it doesn’t have AI chapters

>>25075515
just look for it, nobody will tell you here

>>25075515
Everything is AI. Even when you think they didn't use it, they surely did and hid it.

>>25075518
i mean ive found it but how do i know it doesnt have the ai generated chapters?

Are there any noteworthy WNs that are purely episodic? No pretense at an overall plot, no endless treadmill of progression, no defined endpoint, just the continuing adventures of protagonist and friends. Here's 100k words of them dealing with thing, be sure to come back tomorrow same bat-time same bat-channel to find out what they get up to next.

>>25075520
20-30% of stories are clean of it by my testing

>>25075515
https://annas-archive.li/search?q=shadow+slave

>>25075524
that sucks

>>25075524
100 reigns does have an overall plot but it has arcs voted on by people on patreon which are quite episodic imo

>>25075525
And that number will lower and lower.
WebNovel's contracts require 1500 words a day or the contract is lost.
The top writers are all juggling multiple stories utilizing AI and gamified reward structures in writing and AI generated harem erotica.

>>25075515
novelfire

>>25075524
There are plenty with large chunks of slice of life chapters or heavily disconnected arcs, but I can't think of any that are truly episodic if we're excluding gaiden/epilogue series attached to a non-episodic series.

That's not to say there are none. I'm sure there's some mystery of the volume series out there or some fuckhuge epic that's just a dude dicking around the countryside dealing with corrupt officials or something.

>>25075524
Why would anyone want that?

>>25075542
>Why would anyone want that?
Some people are into weird extreme shit. Just think about how many people read those 5k chapter xinxia series that's just a dude murdering people that wanted him to call them Daddy over and over again. Episodic is just the opposite end of that spectrum.

>>25075513
I don't fck with lawyers mang specially not mentally ill ones
Again for legal reasons this post is a joke

>>25075534
40% on RR have undisclosed ai traces as in 20-30%
20% are undisclosed nearly all ai
5-10% are ai disclosed
20-30% are clean

thats my testing and experience

>>25075536
yo thanks this will do, does webtoepub work on this?

I don't know how to write a scene where someone attempts to sneak on someone well without going into insane detail about the environments. Any good recommendations of a book that handles such a scene well?

>>25075556
Use AI

>>25075542
Conan, Sherlock Holmes, Tarzan, Star Trek, etc. all used that formula. I've just been thinking about it and found it weird that as far as I know it doesn't seem to exist in WNs despite the format being the modern equivalent of the pulp serials that established themselves that way.

>>25075524
Regressor instruction manual fits this bill as much as possible given you used things like star trek as examples. Its organized like a great big anthology of things that happened at some point rather than a complete chain of events presented in order. Personally the comedy is fantastic and thats my favorite part of it though so your mileage may vary.

>>25075524
>>25075570
Sorry, title mixup, its actually "I’m an Infinite Regressor, But I’ve Got Stories to Tell"

>>25075556
The Undetectable Strongest Job: Rule Breaker

Emphasis on Undetectable

>>25075547
So he was molested by them and then after he got powerful he killed his molestors?

>>25075579
It's a manga. I have issues describing it. Or do I just not describe it and let it happen out of the blue?

>>25075582
Nah. Telling the MC to call you Daddy is just what you do when you're courting death.

>>25075591
>It's a manga
I mean it has a manga adaptation maybe, but it's a novel.

>>25075591
I believe I found it. It's 400 chapters long. Do you at least vaguely remember which chapter it happened in?

>>25075596
>>25075602
Meant to reply here.

>>25075602
>Do you at least vaguely remember which chapter it happened in?
It's a significant portion of the series? Series is literally about sneaking around.

>>25075351
>Explain Stephen king's universe where everything is branded
Well, where to begin. Right off the bat, Stephen King had broad name recognition. People think its a joke when the secretary says "Stephen King on Line one, sir." They're fucking excited to talk to the man himself. He has... who he is. Star power. Also. He has the full faith and credit of a giant publishing house behind him. If *he* wants to use "song lyrics X"? A phone call, and someone will put someone on that, until they get permission. He's so famous? Its an honor to get a product placement in HIS book. And if they want a couple bucks for a license? Well, he has that too. he has...
manpower
money
fame
resources
he can get shit he wants. All big name authors, can do this. I doubt you have all these things, anon. Yeah, SK is known for song lyrics and famous commercials in his books. Coca Cola, Mountain Dew? Can't *wait* to take his call, or someone representing him. You? Probably not so much. Honestly, what isn't obvious about this. And no, "fair use" isn't the right to use anything you feel like in your movie and book. That's for a reviewer to have the right to speak about the thing they're rating. Hell. Stephen King could *probably* get p-a-i-d to use a product in his book. Coca Cola pays BIG for Michael Bay to throw a transformer into their sign and have it blow up. SO, SK could maybe even get cash for using a product he wants to use. Again. You? Try it, let me know how it goes.

>>25075623
Alright. I don't like isekais much but I will trust you and read at least the beginning.

>>25075625
I hereby declare. That if Monster energy drinks wishes to get premium product placement in my novels? All they have to do is start shipping me free Monster energy. Cases preferred, but four packs accepted. Like four pack a day would do me fine. My every MC will drink Monster, guaranteed. (and my writing output will about double)

>>25075556
do a countdown, have a near jump scare
describe events, patrols, routine, somebody emptying a night pot, etc.

go through the emotional and motivational state of the character why they have to do it what it means for them

>>25075652
Move over buddy. You might have your character drink it, but mine?
Monster Evolution [LitRPG] [Progression] [High Energy Action] [It's Serialized]
Each of the different forms and abilities will be color coded to Monster flavors.
The partnership will be mine.