According to Adorno and Horkheimer, antissemitism has nothing to do with what jews do or fail to do, and jews are unfairly targetted. The suppression of mythological discourse by the Enlightenment is undone the moment that Enlightenment civilization fails its prerrogatives (sell God for money), then mythological discourse manifests in the form of conspiracy theories targetting minority groups, in order to create a fake nationalist narrative to cope with the failure of capitalism and of the Enlightenment civilization.According to them, jews are just a random target, and there is nothing they could have done or not done to stop this.I think they stand correct, considering how antissemitism is rising again, quickly so, as capitalism (and Enlightenment civilization itself) fails a younger generation. What is their first reaction? Blame the jews.
>>25076844Antisemitism isn't on the rise, it's anti-Zionism because Israel is literally committing a genocide in Palestine right now.
Jews sure do make themselves a target w their behavior.
>Horkheimer was born into a conservative, wealthy Orthodox Jewish family.holy shit this is a crazy coincidence
>>25076875Anti-zionism is considered now antissemitism because anti-zionism is the denial of jews for their right of self-determination. https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/anti-zionism>>25076878When capitalism was working back in the 1990s, no one praised the 'all-controlling jewish cabal' for the success of american society. But when capitalism began to fall apart after 2008, quickly the blame began settling on minorities. And now, it has settled on jews.
>>25076844>>25076893You are retarded and/or evil.
>>25076885Yes, this book is overtly jewish, anti-nationalistic, and is a product of essays that Adorno and Horkheimer wrote exactly due to the trauma of the holocaust, and how they can avoid it. It is in their personal interest. One of these essays INTENDED GOAL is to stop a holocaust from happening ever again, and the book correctly points out the origins of the holocaust in the revival of mythological discourse in the form of conspiracy theories used to blame jews for the inevitable failures of capitalism and Enlightenment institutions.This is probably the most important book of the 'Frankfurt school', because it compels the essays that form what dumb people usually think Frankfurt school preaches.
>>25076878so blacks lynching whites in south africa is okay?
>>25076844This isn't reddit faggot
>>25076844People are blaming jews today because 1) despite telling us that genocide is the biggest evil for 80+ years, jews are committing a genocide in palestine with the complicity of the western political class, which they steer in whichever direction they need thanks to a network of kompromat creation2) similarly, thanks to the epstein files we know that jews, or at least a lot of powerful and well connected jews, think of non-jewish people as inferior, so they would try to genocide white people (and asians and everyone else) if they thought they could get away with it
It's over, everyone under 40 despises them. They could've continued to play the victim card and milked sympathy from the Holocaust for another century, but overplayed their hand. Their hubris was their downfall. They're either viewed as greedy, self-serving and lacking basic human empathy, or as literal demonic baby eaters, lol.
>>25076918>1) despite telling us that genocide is the biggest evil for 80+ years, jews are committing a genocide in palestine with the complicity of the western political class, which they steer in whichever direction they need thanks to a network of kompromat creationThis is a misconception. The entirety of holocaust education lacked nuance, as proven by this point. Sarah Hurwitz addressed this: https://www.jpost.com/international/article-876323Holocaust education, by prioritizing the spectacle of the holocaust and the victimhood of characters rather than their jewish origins (that is, to clarify to the young that the holocaust was an act of mass discrimination and violence towards JEWS), Holywood made the holocaust about universal human struggles and missed the forest for the trees.The lesson of the holocaust is not that genocide is wrong, but that jews were a victim of a great injustice and process of extermination. The holocaust is the reason why the state of Israel remains alive today. The prerrogative of Israel is specifically to prevent the persecution of jews worldwide as in the years of the holocaust.>2) similarly, thanks to the epstein files we know that jews, or at least a lot of powerful and well connected jews, think of non-jewish people as inferior, so they would try to genocide white people (and asians and everyone else) if they thought they could get away with itOnce again, the Epstein files are largely a conspiracy theory created to justify the failure of capitalism, just like the underground bases of the jews in NY and other nonsense.The problem is capitalism. You blame jews for the contradictions of capitalism and the Enlightenment.
>>25076945>Holywood made the holocaust about universal human struggles and missed the forest for the trees.Because it would be impossible to make people care otherwise>but that jews were a victim of a great injustice and process of extermination.justice*
Like all things, I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Yes, there are alot of Jewish elites who have a Zionist agenda and play the antisemitism card to shield themselves from any criticism, but the average normie Jew is no part of such conspiracies and really don’t deserve to be scapegoated for what elite Jews do.
>>25076945exquisite bait
>>25076964This. It’s not hard to grasp that capitalism has a lot of problems while also acknowledging that the Rothschilds were/are real and had a huge impact on 18th/19th century capital development, and that the US government is completely and utterly controlled by ZOG.At the end of the day Adorno seemed like he was 24/7 having a melty and his writing is the worse of ugly kraut speak.
>>25076987Adorno was part of that post-war generation of Jews who were genuinely traumatised by the Holocaust and believed that it was proof there was no goodness in the world (“there can be no poetry after the Holocaust” is a verbatim quote from him). A lot of it is them having a melty because it’s a subject matter that touched a nerve and got them really emotional. I think Hannah Arendt is the only Jew from that era who was able to look at the Holocaust somewhat objectively. This isn’t to say that Adorno didn’t have some prophetic criticisms of capitalism, because he did, but he was also VERY emotionally biased. The irony of it all is that The Holocaust was part of why the US became so ZOG’d. It allowed Zionists to infiltrate positions of power unopposed because they could dismiss their critics as Nazis and point to The Holocaust as a cautionary tale. It’s why in the US schooling system, there’s a massive focus on teaching The Holocaust in a way that just isn’t present in other countries. I’m not a burger, and in my WW2 history classes, The Holocaust was a footnote.
>>25076844Epstein files released, all philosemitic cope is irrelevant
>>25077027When I was a kid / teen in the 1990s, I legitimately read books and excerpts from old time writers on the jewish question, thinking that 6 million jews should have been more than enough to settle the question whether jews have the right to live or not.Being on the internet has proven me wrong.
>>25076844>bombs palestine into the stone age>creates pedo blackmail networkTurns out jews aren't immune
>>25076844So antisemitism under slave society and feudalism was justified?
>>25077015ITA, as burger you nailed it on how the holocaust is presented here, its the center of post-war American narrative of why we fought and why we still fight. Haven't read it but pretty sure Finklesteins Holocaust Industry deals with this as well. This is why Gaza is such a big deal because not only is it flagrantly obvious that Oct 7th was allowed to happen, but it cynically demonstrated that Jews/Israel use tragedies to commit heinous mass crimes and try to deploy every last psyop/brainwashing tactic to confuse and gaslight goyim over it, with holocaust guilt tripping being the corner stone of everything. And hard agree on Arendt. Shes a very under-rated thinker, and her letter to the NYT with Einstein et. really dispels all the bullshit thats happened with Israel since.
>>25077150No, dummie.Antissemitism arose in feudal society exactly in moments of crisis, as people came up with superstitions about jewish wizardry, or jews influencing their unpopular leaders through loans and traffick of influence.Come to think of it, the medieval expressions of antissemitism are very similar to the modern one. It is flat earthers accusing jews of being evil wizards and intrigue masters.
>>25076844>people who want to reject enlightenment rationalism and universalism>still want to maintain egalitarianism and that everyone is equal and that groups should live in harmonyretards can't realize this is the same thing, just corrupt apologia for the powers that be
>>25076844Funny how you can have threads about antimemeitism, but if you call out antiwhiteism on /lit/ or /tv/ the antiwhite pedophile staff of 4chan range ban you from making threads.
>>25076893>denial of jews for their right of self-determination.There's no such thing as a jew. We're all just liberal subjects, right?
>>25076844Apply this logic to jews. Jews blame gentiles, especially *gasp* Trump supporters(!) for their problems. Zionism is a fake nationalist narrative to cope with the failures of capitalism and Palestinians are just a random target.
>>25077195Antissemitism and the jewish question have been debated in literature for thousands of years. Jews have been victims of all forms of persecution.Antiwhiteism is just an internet conspiracy theory by men who think that not having a girlfriend equals genocide.
>>25077188Equality is useful for multicultural societies like the USA. Read JFK's Nation of Immigrants.
>>25077226>still has just internalized the principles of the enlightenment to such a degree he cannot help but keep arguing for control class that currently dominates the worldyou people are legitimately more pathetic than normies, they at least think the enlightenment makes sense and is a good thing. Rejecting the product while trying to maintain the principles is the most like neurotic deranged thing, just contorting yourself into a pathetic mess.
>>25077226>multicultural societies likeEmpires and ... the globe. Reality.
>>25076844>According to Adornothe commie jew?>and Horkheimerthe commie jew?
>>25076844I can't help but notice the "go back to /pol/!!!" bot that usually is one of the first posters decided to skip this thread.
>>25077232I am not against the Enlightenment because my nation is not among the "enlightened". We don't value equality, we value survival because everyone wants to kill us.But these enlightenment values are very important for the USA and Europe and Canada. If Canada did not have immigrants, it'd have collapsed already. Same to most european nations. My country cannot have immigration, unfortunately.
>>25077263turd world brain thinks this is an actual argumentkeep to playing in dirt in your shithole please
>>25076844This thread is retarded. If you're Jewish by birth or consumated marriage, you should be a Zionist, because it benefits you.If you're a gentile, you should be an anti-Semite, because that benefits you.Simple stuff.
>>25076844Shut the fuck up, lmao. Anti-semitism exists because Jews are a disproportionately powerful group steering our civilization in their favor through their manipulation, subversion and financial influence. I can't believe we're still doing this "anti-semitism is a heckin conspiracy theory" schtick in 2026
>>25076844>The suppression of mythological discourse by the Enlightenment is undone the moment that Enlightenment civilization fails its prerrogatives (sell God for money)Or maybe there is actually a prominent ethnic group that does this in modernity. Have you considered that?
>>25077243Acts 4:32Read it.
>>25077281>If you're a gentile, you should be an anti-Semite, because that benefits youZionism is respect for jewish self-determination. It is not me saying this, the Jewish World Congress agrees.
>>25077286>Christianity's totally just a jewish psyopMaybe Adam Green is right>>25077289Why would a gentile respect Jewish self-determination?
>>25077289jews should respect white self-determination to be antisemitic and i self-determine to be antisemitic
>>25076904Merely a conspiracy theory. Nothing to see here. Jews are powerless good guys who are just trying to survive.
>>25077290Because gentiles owe half of their civilization to jews? Because gentiles have historically persecuted, killed, enslaved and robbed jews and there is this thing called guilt that is a major value of western civilization?Then again, the fact you are going masks off and admitting you want to kill jews just proves why Israel was founded.
>>25077304In that case Palestinians deserve a state considering how much Jewish politicians regularly reveal how much they want to kill them all
I feel like antisemitism is literally as simple as jewish coldheartedness begetting gentile coldheartedness. When you are born into a religion which tells you that you are naturally superior to gentiles because of the fact of your jewishness and that he created gentiles to serve you like cattle, then you are not exactly going to treat gentiles in a way that befits human beings. But such behavior naturally begets their self-defensive counterreaction. So what could have been a relationship that befits human beings became one of mutual contempt and enmity because jews could just not stop treating people who are not them like insects. Because it's contrary to human nature to be able to feel much empathy for those who just can't fucking stop proclaiming how much they hate you and consider you subhuman. On what basis do jews expect anyone to sincerely empathize with their situation if they have never felt the slightest hint of empathy for anyone but themselves since the dawn of their existence?
>>25077304Have you considered that no one wants to kill the Bhutanese or the Pacific Islanders? No one really gives a damn about troons or gays in Thailand or the Philippines because they don't make their personal problems into other people's problems.The only reason I care about Jews and Palestinians killing each other in the desert is because you insist that I take your side. If you shut up and fucked off, I'd go back to not caring
>>25077329I'm just gonna keep on calling them baby eaters on twitter until they're expelled
>>25077319Palestine had a state, then they went to war and were defeated? Now the world weaponizes the holocaust to justify their right to go to war. And they still can't win.Then again, this is the objective of the thread. We are discussing how muxh of antissemitism is merely a cope to the failure or capitalism. In that regard, jews are innocent of a civilizational struggle.
>>25077337Zionist Communists still exist? I thought you got laughed out of the left after Oct. 7? Are you just hiding here on /lit/ until the storm clears?Are you German by chance?
>>25077329>On what basis do jews expect anyone to sincerely empathize with their situation if they have never felt the slightest hint of empathy for anyone but themselves since the dawn of their existence?Ok, fair point, I am acknowledged in "zionist" theory and I do concede that jews do not foster sympathy for gentiles. But don't you think that is deserved? Gentiles have done more than a hundred massacres against jews. And even to this day, antissemitism is rampant and it is the first reaction of westerners when their civilization fails.I do not think anymore that therr is a solution to the jewish questiom because gentiles detest jews. But if so, gentiles should support Israel as a home for the jews, or just admit that they want a hemisphere-sized pogrom (and prove Adorno was correct).
>>25077351If I was Jewish, I would be a Zionist. I am not Jewish, so I am an anti-Zionist.Why should gentiles support rather than oppose your project? What's in it for us?
>>25077351The Haavara agreement failed because Jews don't seem to want to fuck off to Israel to be left alone, they want to have their cake and eat it too and run the entire western world from Israel, the US and formerly Russia (pre-2022)
>>25077177The funny thing is that that portraying The Holocaust as the “goyim original sin” has really lost a lot of its power in this day and age. Zoomers generally don’t care about the Holocaust and treat it as the punchline to edgy jokes the same way they treat 9/11. I really don’t think that it’s a coincidence that the cultural relevance of the Holocaust is declining as more people who were alive during WW2 die out, not is it coincidental that Gen Z is the most anti-Semitic generation we’ve had in a while as the relevance of the Holocaust dies out. I think the Jewish elites are shitting themselves right now because the Holocaust guilty trip tactic that they’ve been using for 80 years now no longer works.I feel Zionists have dug their own grave, though I do feel bad for the ordinary, non-Zionist Jews who’ll inevitably get caught in the crossfire.
>>25077177The Oct. 7 conspiracy meme is stupid and bad because it paints jews as omnipotent and invincible and delegitimizes Palestinian resistance
>>25077376The with most antisemitic conspiracy theories. >>25071915They ironically portray gentiles as docile cattle that are too dumb to do anything about the Jewish cabals who run everything thus playing into semitic tropes about goyim.
>>25077396The issue can be summed up as a lack of White gentile in-group preference going up against extreme Jewish in-group preference. Game theory says that in this scenario the Jews will always win even though outnumbered because they work in groups and gentiles work as individuals. The solution is the cultivate of White gentile in-group preference.
>>25077304>Because gentiles owe half of their civilization to jews?This is hilariously retarded unless you‘re factoring christoidanity which is doubly retarded because you expect to be thanked for your brain virus.
>>25077370Maybe we indeed live near the end of the century of zionism. But this is for the detriment of gentiles, even if they do not realize yet. Jews are most of the writers, scientists, economists, lawyers, artists, doctors and so on. Jews have earned eminence because they outperform gentiles, and only mad hat conspiracy theorists who have no other outlet to the mythological discourse under rationalism despised them.Anyways, the tl;dr of the book when it comes to the origins of the holocaust and antissemitism is that losers under capitalism caused antissemitism to rise from a Dreyfus-affair type prejudice to a murderous rage in the interwar..Coincidentally, zoomers are the biggest losers when it comes to income and personal success. Unsurprisingly, they are the most antissemitic.Horkheimer and Adorno stand correct.>>25077429Yes, christianity is jewish.
>>25077471>muh antisemitism is caused by envySorry but Jewish excellence is a myth. Jews hold disproportionate influence in a variety of fields, it can't be a coincidence or the result of natural talent.We are on to your tricks Moishe, Zoomers are antizionists because they have actual principles and know genocide is bad.
>>25077484>Sorry but Jewish excellence is a myth. Jews hold disproportionate influence in a variety of fields, it can't be a coincidence or the result of natural talent.Sorry but white excellence is a myth. Whites hold disproportionate influence in a variety of fields. It can't be a coincidence or the result of natural talent.
>>25077471>Jews are most of the writers, scientists, economists, lawyers, artists, doctors and so on.So why don‘t they want to fuck off into a society of their own?
>>25077484This thread is making me genuinely fear zoomers. You describe them like they are a generation of Hitler youth.
>>25077487Most whites are not white supremacists.We look up to our luminaries like Michelangelo and Da Vinci and praise them for their individual genius, we have no pretensions that their greatness is due to their race.Jews on the other hand literally think that they are God's chosen people and any success they have is due to inborn superiority.
>>25076844Imagine ever taking jew cope seriously.They probably find even believe their own pseud wanking themselves.
>>25077502If you are christian, you should also recognize that jews are God's chosen people. At least if you are a good one.
ITT anons argue over the meaning and implications of a Jewish talisman.
>>25077511I'm an atheist
>>25077471>racial supremacy isn't real>unless it's jewsCan you be intellectually honest on an anonymous imageboard at least?
>>25077487Yeah obviously, we had a historic luck and a winning strategy that allowed to succeed and if we don't get our shit together and start being racist again, we're fucked
>>25077515It is not about race. There are components of the jewish character that make jews excel compared to the goyim, and when these components are succesfully emulated by gentiles, those gentiles excel as well. Ultimately, capitalism is an attempt by the goyim to emulate the global tribe of Judah. But in doing so, the gentiles more commonly just tear apart the roots of their own civilization because they originate from agrarian dirt farmers, and consider soul-crushing to be part of a nation of guetto-dwelling merchants with no true home.My stance is simple. I will not acknowledge racial superiority of any kind (otherwise, gentiles will inevitably believe theirs to be the superior, then call for the death of any other race that outperforms them because they must be getting 'ripped off') because it inevitably leads to the holocaust. But there are traces of the jewish culture that make them more appropriate for capitalism than traditional roman-barbarian cultures.The so-called "jewish excellence" is no myth, the myth is that it arises from some great conspiracy, as gentiles always secretly believe.
>>25076893>Anti-zionism is considered now antissemitism because anti-zionism is the denial of jews for their right of self-determinationMandatory Palestine had a sub 3% Jewish population before the Zionist movement began colonizing it in the late 1800's.
>>25076844>>25076893Looks like an interesting book. Thanks for the recommendation. I disagree (not entirely) with the premise but I'm sure it's worth reading. I'll give it a read.I think the topic of antisemitism deserves nuanced debate. It's just too bad you can't do this in public because of the risk of social suicide.>jews are just a random target, nothing they could have done/not done to stop this.The use of a convenient scapegoat during a period of economic downturn in capitalism is noted of course but remember that antisemitism predates capitalism. Agrarian societies had antisemitism, feudalistic societies, etc.Given all the history of Jewish expulsions, they were by definition not random. What they have been and are is collective punishment for the entire Jewish community for the crimes or alleged crimes of a few. Let's use an example:Let's look at the expulsion of Jews that happened right here in the U.S during the civil war. General Order No. 11 issued by General Grant ordered the expulsion of Jews in Tennessee, Mississippi and Kentucky. Why? Because Jewish cotton traders were breaking the law by trading in black market cotton from the South thus funding the Confederacy's war machine. Let's try to empathize with both sides here. On the one hand General Grant was trying to save his nation and was up to neck in dealing with corruption from Union commanders in Southern states that were issuing cotton trading licenses. On the other hand Jews that did do honest business as cotton traders and Jews that weren't even involved in the cotton trade suffered from this collective punishment.The Jews certainly weren't chosen at random. Jews from the South cornered the cotton market as intermediaries. When Jews corner a market, like they have done historically with diamonds for instance, they create an ethnic network where they only do business with themselves and discriminate against non-Jews. Out of desperation and in order to break the back of the Confederacy's war funding Grant issued this order without caring how it would effect the Jews. These businessmen carry the Jewish community. They are very charitable people (to their own kind). Even though the majority of Jews in the South were not involved in the cotton trade at all from a practical point it is almost irrelevant. They certainly benefited from it via the patronage these Jewish cotton traders made to the community through the synagogues and tzedakah (charity). Add to this that Jews consider turning their fellow Jew to the authorities as one of the worst crimes imaginable. Hence why as a community they have been expelled throughout history. I'm not saying it's right. It is profoundly unjust and yet understandable.
>>25077561There are various disconnected essays in the book, including the later ones discussing the holocaust and rise of antissemitism. The only one essay that I more or less dislike is the one about the cultural industry, because the argument falls flat and feels like a boring dude complaining that other people have fun.I get that you are trying to sound smarter and empathetic, but ultimately, this is a trap for anyone who reads your post to consider adopting the perspective of a man who did harm to the jewish community. This is the entrance to all sorts of evil.Grant was and shouls have been demonized since the civil war for various very good reason. He caused a near medieval regression to how jews were treated in the USA. While attempting to sympathize with him, you are providing a ground where targetting jews over 'national concerns' (notice how the nationhood of american jews is circumstantial: the southern soldiers fighting you are not expelled from their homes, the jews are. Being a secessionist is still better than being a jew) is understandable. I cannot agree with you on the Grant example, and I think the Tennesse expulsion is the most shameful episode of US civil war.
>>25077574Yeah because you're a Jew and you support the interests of the Jewish tribe.I do not understand how you seem to have turned your particularist collective self-interest into a kind of objective moral standard. Grant did what was best for Grant, Jews do what is best for Jews. There is no morality here
I support Jews and all their spiritual cousins not being near me or having any impact on my life
>>25077579>do not understand how you seem to have turned your particularist collective self-interest into a kind of objective moral standardBecause anything else is a slippery slope straight to a second holocaust. Read the book, you will agree.
>>25077579I think Grant's order here is objectively good. He is responsible for law and order to protect the common good of his citizens. Jews operate as a nation within a nation, so dealing with them as such is just the nature of governance. There's not enough time or resources to deal with antisocial behavior on a case by case basis during a war.
>>25077585I don't need to read the book, I already agree. Have you tried not acting as if you are inherently entitled to socio-economic dominance in societies where you comprise less than 5% of the population thereby drawing the logical resentment of the other 95% from whom there is no one left to protect you when the rubber hits the road?Go hide in a bunker in Israel with your nuclear weapons. It's your only hope tbqh.
>>25076844Sounds like gaslighting.
>>25076844So - in the fiction section?
>>25077574>perspective of a man who did harm to the jewish community. This is the entrance to all sorts of evil.In my post I fully admit that Grant did indeed do harm to the Jewish community. I fully accept that. Can you see what harm the Jewish cotton traders did to the Union's war effort? Should Grant have let the Jewish cotton traders just continue breaking the law thus further funding the Confederacy simply because they were your fellow Jews? Surely you can see the other side of the argument here.>Tennessee expulsion is the most shameful episode of US civil war.I really don't mean to be combative but I'm afraid this is just ethnic narcissism on your part. The civil war was the bloodiest war this country has ever been in and almost destroyed the nation. A couple of Jewish families, unjust as it is, being expelled from three Southern states does not even compare to the deaths of over half a million Americans during this war. I don't think any else needs to be said on my part on this particular point.This is part of the folly of engaging in conversation with Jews on this subject. Jews never appear to want to see things through the eyes of the gentiles. I was hoping a more nuanced take on the topic from you. Not once did you even mention any behaviors from Jews that would result in a response from the non-Jewish majority. Can you really not be self-critical of the Jewish community at all?
mossad, unsurprisingly, out in full force recently, drop the reddit spacing, you are on the wrong page moishe
>>25077641>Can you really not be self-critical of the Jewish community at all?As an attorney, what you attempt to do is a subtle attempt to re-victimize the victims.Pray understand that I could agree with you on any matter, except on 'jewish' responsibility for any crime commited against them'., however eloquently put Through treachery and careful words and the image of sympathy and politeness, you feign the most common attitude towards any grievance done to the jews, which is victim-blaming. I do not require that you understand yourself a victim blamer today, but that you reflect upon this episode of the civil war and understand that should a similar event ever happen again, no jew would want YOU in the martial court deciding if Grant should have been sacked or jailed for his decision in Tennessee.This is the main grievance towards gentiles who feign sympathy, often more treacherous than those who admit they want to genocide jews. They use the gift of their eloquence and intellect towards justifying every violence against those on the receiving end (who are very often jews), and these sophist types ar put in positions of responsibility and power.What I see of the Grant episode is but one of the hundreds of cases where once the minimal pretense of civilization is dropped (such as in war or civil unrest), the jew is immediately thrust upon the category of the enemy, and what is done to them is even worse than what is done to the foe.You say I have a narcissistic sense of self-importance. Would you demand that the tutsi from Rwanda sympathized with the hutus who hunted and killed by the millions less than a century ago, over a blatant failure of the hutu nation itself, and thought the tutsi genocide the most egregious sin ever commited? Similar to the hutus, gentiles created the failure of Weimar state, the failure of the US civil war, and the jews paid the price. In all pogroms, the jews were victims, and there were always those who eloquently argued post-hoc in how they deserved their victimhood.I am sorry, but I am not sorry. You partake in victim-blaming, and even the practice itself of profiteering from slavery and a gentile war do not justify persecution of jews. Your story, if anything, exemplifies the special disadvantageous condition that jews are subjected to under gentile yoke. Jewish confederates had it WORSE than other confederates. Read 'The jewish confederates' by Robert Rosen.
>>25077290>Christianity's totally just a jewish psyop>This is what he gets from Acts 4:32Modern communism comes from Christianity. No king other than god, no lord's land but the heavenly lord's. That is, we can only come to share. And Jews are not a monolithic group that all think alike. The devout Jew knows there should be be Israel project. Communist Jews and anarchist Jews similarly don't need it. Only the zionist nationalists want it.
>>25077670>Only the zionist nationalists want itOnly the zionist nationalists admit that they want it*After reading the replies of this thread, any doubt that I had about the need for the existence of a state of Israel and the need for a mass evacuation from the USA and Europe is gone. Even the most eloquent gentiles do not truly share an equal sense of priority for the lives of their own kin as they do to jews. Should any dissatisfaction ever afflict gentiles in the West, it is quite obvious that jews will be (once again!) the first casualty.
>>25077675Tick-tock rodent. Your time is almost up.
>>25076844> jews are just a random target, and there is nothing they could have done or not done to stop this.Which is why it's always jews who are targeted, with no variation, and all the actions and events leading up to that point can always be verifiably linked back to a jewish individual or organization.
>>25076945> There's nothing wrong with genocide UNLESS it's happening to jewsYou should print this out on flyers and start handing it out to people on the street.
>>25076964Do you think the truth lies somewhere in the middle with the Holocaust, as well? Like: maybe Hitler did some bad stuff but the jews were probably asking for it, too?
>>25077289jewish self-determination is detrimental to everyone else
>>25077523The Israelites were White. This is confirmed in Song of Solomon. The only reason jews excel is because they lead people away from the LORD and so he punishes us by letting evil maim us. Whenever a society turns to the LORD with all of their heart jews are quickly expelled.
>>25077523If you tie Jews to capitalism, a system with winners and losers, and also believe that antisemitism is rising, you're just constructing a kind of fatalism wherein capitalism is supplanted only with the subjugation of the Jews. There's precisely zero worthwhile takeaway from this analysis, it's just racial resentment.
>>25077290>Maybe Adam Green is rightMore like Judaism is a Satanic psyop.
>>25077429Personally I think most anti-Christian posts here are in fact, made by jews
>>25077511Not at all.
>>25077500I don’t think you understand how frustrating it is to come of age at a time where the future is uncertain, the past is scorned and the present is pessimistic, then to have an affluent ethnic group bash in your fucking skull all day long about how you need to support their particular national struggle on another continent because you need them much more than they need you, such as this OP and this very thread.
>>25077727Okay, enjoy your delusion about how only a jew would want you to break out of jewish mind control.
>>25076844try /pol/
>>25077727I agree. I think Jews are the ones pushing the “Christianity is a Jewish religion” narrative. “Jesus was a Jew, therefore…”. It’s such a brain dead take that it has to be manufactured. Completely ignores the fact modern Jews are the spiritual successors of the Jews that had Christ crucified. It’s not just a lack of faith behind it, but a malicious unreasoning.
>>25077658>You say I have a narcissistic sense of self-importance.I'm not saying that you are individually a narcissistic person. I have no idea how you conduct yourself in your own life. What I am commenting on is the ethnic narcissism on full display. Not only is it on display but the doubling down on it is reaching comedic levels now. The fact that you cannot even attempt or are willing to see the world through the eyes of a non-Jew is very telling. So not only is the expulsion of the Jews the most shameful part of the civil war, but the Jews serving in the confederacy had it WORSE than the Christians. That's right. The couple of thousand Jews that did serve in the Confederacy had it worse than the millions of Christians, hundreds of thousands of which died during the war. Many of whom we should note died in holocaust-like conditions in POW camps. But no never mind that. The Jews had it worse! Ok. Sure.>>25077675>Only the zionist nationalists admit that they want itWhat's fascinating about Israel is that they are doing to the Arabs exactly what was done to them by the gentiles for thousands of years. Collective punishment. To see videos of Jews in funerals openly calling for revenge against all Arabs whether they be women, children, whoever. It truly is stunning to see. I'm surprised it's being discussed so openly but I guess after Oct 7th the gloves are off. It's incredible to see two ethnic groups who at their core are determined to be the ultimate victim in this long standing conflict. It's a lose-lose situation no matter what.>After reading the replies of this thread, any doubt that I had about the need for the existence of a state of Israel and the need for a mass evacuation from the USA and Europe is gone. Keep your hair on. There is a wider awakening in America of the oversized influence Israel has on this country, that's true. Having an Israel-centric foreign policy has been absolute folly. From fighting their wars to funding their wars. We've wasted blood and treasure on this little nation in the Middle East. It's been a truly ridiculous almost 30 years. The whole notion of Israel being at the forefront for the fight of the West is laughable. Having said that, American Jewish roots are firmly planted here culturally and economically. Jews own a tremendous amount of the assets in this country. America is the first nation on earth to truly give Jews the opportunity for full personal and economic freedom. No matter what hysteria you may see on television by a few rabble-rousers at Columbia University or on Tiktok, Jews here will be doing just fine. Europe (Western Europe) on the other hand does seem to be a goner for but for Christians first and foremost and yes the Jews will suffer along with them.
>>25076844How is antisemitism the result of "the failure of capitalism" and the Enlightenment when it predates both by over a thousand years?
>>25077769>The couple of thousand Jews that did serve in the Confederacy had it worse than the millions of Christians, hundreds of thousands of which died during the warJews played a DISPROPORTIONATE role during the AMERICAN civil war state started by the gentiles. As yourself pointed the anecdotal Grant incident, both jewish civilians and volunteers in the war were also particularly targetted in certain situations, even. Despite, as you will acknowledge, being a minority, there were jewish who were passionate defenders of both sides. However, as always, I am afraid they were not given the proper acknowledgement as allies, while were given disproportionate punishment as enemies.Please read this by rabbi Preschel, it is very enlightening. It is not long, but it is a very good argument on how disproportionatelly passionate the jews were for the american civil war (which had nothing to do with their interests):https://www.toviapreschel.com/jews-and-the-civil-war/There were very few jews in America at that point, and thus a single jewish death meant far greater a sacrifice from that community for the future that their families envisioned America than those commited by christian families.>Keep your hair on. There is a wider awakening in America of the oversized influence Israel has on this country, that's trueI hope you do not side with the 2020s many 'General Grants', who will be very fast to pull the trigger on the jews for the sake of any strategic advantage. But who am I kidding, the fate of the jew is to fight alone until there is true global union under Israel.Personally? I am done trying to make it work with gentiles.
>>25077811> Personally? I am done trying to make it work with gentiles.No shit?
>>25076844>According to Adorno and Horkheimer
>>25077770The antissemitism of the 1900s was a beast of its own, after relatively "good" century for jewish-christian relations (Napoleon extended rights for jewish germans, british jews excelled, the french turned on the accusation in the Dreyfus affair and scared away the boulangerist proto-fascists). It was fed by a mythological, completely unhinged myth of a legendary stab in the back that rivalled the belief that even the greeks had for their ancient gods.However, the Enlightenment civilization did then as it does now, it scares away all forms of mythological discourse towards irrelevancy, to the status of conspiracy theories and talks of mad men wanting attention. However, the institutions of the Enlightenment (especially, capitalism) require certain prerrogatives to be fulfilled for their society to 'function'. Those were then as they are now, the main condition for democracy, capitalism and so on to work is that people actually get materially wealthier due to the greater control of nature and the means of prodution by the bourgeoisie.However, when this stops happening, and people start becoming poorer due to a systemic flaw of capitalism and these Enlightenment institutions, the Enlightenment recedes and the people revert to mythological discourse to find reasons why their perfect institutions could have failed.And what is ALWAYS, ALWAYS at the top of the list of people to blame? The jews.There you have it, a holocaust. What did the jews do? Nothing. Some crazy germans had a crazy theory, got in power due to the failure of gentile institutions, then did a pogrom.
>>25076909They voted for it
>>25077370>The funny thing is that that portraying The Holocaust as the “goyim original sin” has really lost a lot of its power in this day and age. Feels like Holocaust education is really taught in a kind of liberal "museum of tolerance" sort of way? The story goes, the Nazis were, like, prejudiced towards the Jews who are kind of like oppressed POCs if u think about it and now let's take pity on them and feel sad and also be liberals like everybody is in America. The first problem is that Jews tend to be pretty successful career-wise, they're one of the wealthiest minority groups in the U.S. (now displaced by Indians) who can also (not always) look kind of white. Also that isn't really how it was. National socialism was a revolutionary ideology that sought to mercilessly eliminate the Jews as a path towards social and racial purification in the midst of a world war, it was a different animal.>I feel Zionists have dug their own graveThey have an army though (in addition to 90~ nuclear warheads but they don't admit to that). People then retort that braindead zoomers in America will be their undoing but I somehow doubt that. Pretty sure they've been through worse. Idk but I feel like a lot of the Palestinian resistance stuff doesn't really have a path to where they want to go. If you look at the 10/7 thing, at first they were over the moon (as well as their supporters in other countries) at the humiliation inflicted on Israel, but Gaza has since been destroyed. That also goes for much of Iran's alliance system which was called the Axis of Resistance. Man, I just stopped listening to them a long time ago, I wonder how they coped with the IAF completely obliterating Iranian air defenses and achieving total air supremacy, operating unimpeded over Tehran with zero losses. Iran itself doesn't appear especially stable. The natural response to that is, oh now look at what the Jews did, people are really going to get angry with them now, but the Israelis seemed to be operating under the assumption that people can't possibly get angrier at them than they already are, therefore so what. People keep saying it.Maybe that is a mistake on their end but so many people who have gotten wrapped up in this omnicause seem to turn into total schizos. Doesn't seem particularly effective. I think it's filling in for something missing or is the consequence of a society or a movement floundering.
>>25077811>Please read this by rabbi PreschelThanks, I'll do so and if I have anything to add I'll post about it tomorrow if the thread is still up.>I hope you do not side with the 2020s many 'General Grants',>Personally? I am done trying to make it work with gentiles.You may not believe this but I personally do not have any animosity towards Jews. I just believe in frankly speaking about the issues at hand. I'm American and wish the best for my country. That means ALL of us. In order for our country to experience further success we need to discuss the issues of all races and ethnic groups openly but this seems impossible. We all need to get our act together. So we should talk about decadence of whites; the most drug addicted race in the country, the criminality of the blacks, the welfare abuse by the Hispanics, the behavior of Jewish elites that has been partially exposed with this Epstein files release, etc. If we're not even willing to have a discussion and bury our heads in the sand then yes America is truly over for all us not just your fellow Jews.
>>25077585>Because anything else is a slippery slope straight to a second holocaust.no it is not. it would be honest. no respect without honesty. ingroup preference is normal. jews hiding this while at the same time condemning gentiles for this.>>25077811> But who am I kidding, the fate of the jew is to fight alone until there is true global union under Israel.nothing to see here goys. just a moderate jew admitting his goal of enslaving the world under jewish rule. your fear of annihilaton drives you to brutaly dominate innocents. when these innocents turn against you you cry out in shock. my conclusion from this thread: antisemitism does not exist. it is a natural reaction to the jews own cognitive dissonance.the only way for the jews to attone atp is to take accountability for their crimes against gentiles, educate themselves and speak out.
>>25077916>Feels like Holocaust education is really taught in a kind of liberal "museum of tolerance" sort of way?That is Sarah Hurwitz's complaint, that holocaust education in America is about the treatment of POCs in America and does not concern jews anymore. The holocaust ceased being a pogrom, and became a movement to exterminate any minority. Thus it is embraced for americans, who are educated wrongly that the holocaust is about the act of genocide and not the act of the pogrom of 1933-1945.The 'holocaust' (a pogrom) cannot be compared to the WAR in Gaza. They are two different things.>So we should talk about decadence of whites; the most drug addicted race in the country, the criminality of the blacks, the welfare abuse by the Hispanics, the behavior of Jewish elites that has been partially exposed with this Epstein files release, etc.I am sorry to once again be insufferable and nitpicky, but I must. One of these is not like the others, and you know it. The "behavior of the jewish elites" is not like decadent "whites" being heroin addict good-for-nothing domestic terrorists, or hispanics being propense to crime. Once again, you are falling for conspiracy theories and letting a mythological discourse become political - the sign of decadence among the goyim in 2020.My main allegiance is not to America, but to the jews. If you continue to hack the ship, we will leave before you sink it. We tried to be model minorities, played by the rules of the land and became succesful. The ball is in your court, and if you can't play (as all indicates you can't), we'll just leave.But please read the Adorno book and read the short summary by rabbi Preschel, it has the perspective of the jews over the Grant's antissemitism.
>>25076844OP here, I'm trans btw.
>>25077471you are the pure, distilled essence of ahriman.
>>25077981based. only the pure aryan soul stands a chance against this evil.
>>25077376>Jews are omnipotent because Netanyahu and his extremist government let some of the angry Arabs land a punch so that they could completely annihilate the giant concentration camp on their front door.Omnipotent, no, Palestinian resistance delegitimated, yes.
>Neo-Kantian turn of early Soviets >Marx abjured his own as the paragons of the Capitalist classA lot of window dressing on "We're kayfabe secular and still want to destroy the Nations for absolutely no valid discernible reason except through X Lens."
>>25077952>My main allegiance is not to America, but to the jews. If you continue to hack the ship, we will leave before you sink it. We tried to be model minorities, played by the rules of the land and became succesful. The ball is in your court, and if you can't play (as all indicates you can't), we'll just leave.Imagine having this little self-awareness.Imagine being the rats responsible for the ship sinking and having the gall to say this.What's worse is that these parasites legit don't see any contradiction between what they say and what they do. It's like being subversive fifth columnists is written into their DNA.
>>25077952>. One of these is not like the others, and you know it. The "behavior of the jewish elites" is not like decadent "whites" being heroin addict good-for-nothing domestic terrorists,Of course they're not like the others. Every ethnic group in this country has its own core issues that are somewhat unique. To talk about the drug abuse among the Asian community would be ridiculous and false. To talk about the Hispanic oligarchs and their outsized influence in our elections and foreign policy would be ridiculous and false. When an Israeli woman gives $100 million to Trump to run for a third term Americans have the right to question this. In your world what's good for the Jews is good for America. That is a false narrative.>Once again, you are falling for conspiracy theoriesThe exact problem is that it's not a conspiracy theory at all. The attitude of many Jews in power as shown the Epstein is truly stunning. Emails back and forth between Jews like Epstein, David Stern, countless others calling the Christians in this country disparagingly as goyim. This isn't even scratching the surface of the whole thing. >My main allegiance is not to America, but to the jews.You've made that VERY clear. History has indeed made it very clear. Hence why you will never criticize or better yet voice your criticisms of your fellow Jews to a gentile. You have deliberately ignored every single viewpoint from the side of Christians I have put up. You put the Jews first and that's fine. But please understand there are many more of us whose allegiance lies with this nation first and foremost. Now you understand why there will always be conflict between Jews and non-Jews.
>>25077989You realize the entire world sans India supports Palestine, right?
>>25077952The biggest mistake in history was Rome not going full bore Carthage on their eastern Jewish cousins and killing all of you with the fall of the temple. How do you fit that into your stupid Adorno melty narrative?
>>25078005when will christians like u finally realize that they have been following a cult that allows them to be dominated by this foreign people.christianity are the shackles of the european people that binds themit is a foreign culture that goes against our natural instincts and behaviours and binds you with sin and guilt. the jew recognizes this and is puzzled by it. the lack of self awareness of these christians must be quite amusing to them.
>>25078007And what did that get them? Some some denunciations in the UN and lefty protests? Now Gaza is a pile of rubble entirely because Netanyahu let some Islamists slip through the gates so that he can have a war to both take the heat off his corruption cases and to get rid of the Gaza question.
>>25078021>the jew recognizes this and is puzzled by it. the lack of self awareness of these christians must be quite amusing to them.kike demoralization
>>25078023Netanyahu is guaranteeing that Israel becomes a pariah state on the world stage.At this rate Israel won't exist by the end of the century.
>>25078024christians are spiritually jews. they hold the same cognitive dissonance. they cannot accept the humiliation and pain that jews inflicted on them by erassing their celtogermanic identity and culture with this mind parasite. christianity is a culture for the weak and slave masses. i respect it in the sense that it has united us europeans but anything good that can be said about it comes entirely from us. Jesus should be respected as a foreign prophet i can agree with that.
>>25078037> i respect it in the sense that it has united us europeansYou’re a LARPing kike.
>>25078046yes i am a jew u got me. hitler was a jew too right? maybe i am jewish hitler
>>25078021>foreign culture that goes against our natural instincts and behavioursThat's just called civilization and in order to civilize you have to go against your destructive natural instincts. Christianity should not be thrown in the garbage because of weak European politicians.>>25078037>Jesus should be respected as a foreign prophet i can agree with thatMuslim take. It looks like the influence of Muslims in Europe has done more damage than I thought. Damn.
>>25078005What is the point of arguing with these Jews? They genuinely cannot conceive of any perspective in which they aren't centered. It doesn't exist in their imagination. They can't consider for even a moment that they can be culpable for wrongdoing or that other groups matter just as much as they do. Whenever they speak, it is always from a position of sermonizing, of eliciting pity, of trying to convince the other party of something. They even have several terms in their own culture for this behavior like chutzpah. Of course an Israeli politician celebrating death and destruction of Palestinian families can't be compared to other genocidal nationalisms, because Jews are not to be compared to anyone, they literally can't recognize that they're just one group of many exhibiting behaviors that are already scrutinized elsewhere. Such criticism will always be met with a history lesson on anti-semitism, arguments for why Jews are at the center of "Western civilization" and how supporting Israel is a necessary civic duty, or how other groups like Muslims and Qataris are actually the real people who demonstrate the vile traits of Jews that people notice, etc etc. This is how they all are. There is no reasoning with them. Generations of people from completely different and unrelated cultures throughout thousands of years of human history came to the same conclusions about Jews because they encountered this exact same gnawing frustration in dealing with them, that disturbing feeling of being unrecognized. It rocks people to their core when they notice it, engaging with a group that barely even sees you as a sentient person with the same unique agency that they see themselves as having. You begin to understand why so many cultures decided they'd rather not deal with these people altogether when penetrating them with basic human communication is so fucking impossible.
>>25078058There is no point. They need to be called out, and kicked out.
>>25078056these destructive instincts are the basis for our self preservation. ever since they have been gone we have been conquered. christianity has made possible what a thousand armies could not have. I can recognize and respect the teachings of a foreign man with a kind soul. I also start understanding now why Christians needed Jews to convert (note to myself). Idk what this has to do with Muslims when I am pagan.
>>25078090Christ is God you subversive fucking kike. Christendom has suffered for every turn it made toward adopting Jewish moral relativity, and further self sabotaged by allowing Jews representation in any place of cultural or economic significance. Kikes should not own banks, have political office, own media outlets, or have any say in education. Either the ghetto, expulsion, or conversion. In a sane world, those are your options.
>>25078105 christianity was setup for the jews from the start. the whole structure was built so jews can subvert it. jews used christianity decades after Jesus died to instigate a slave revolt in the roman empire when their temple got destroyed.lots of evidence for this as well but will go to bed now. good luck.
>>25078142You are full of shit. Christianity condemns the unfaithfulness of the Jews who rejected their Messiah. You are of the Synagogue of Satan. This is your final (you).
>>25078105christians were not allowed to do banking -> charlemange invited jews.>conversionthey converted 100 of times. its not about faith - just blood. conversion is their failsave if gentiles retaliate and allowed them to infiltrate all of europe
>>25077670>The devout Jew knows there should NOT be [an] Israel project.>>25077675The mere existence of this parasitic state endangers the jews all over the world. And the zionist don't give a shit about them. Their inner circle doesn't even consider them true jews, but mere "mixed multitude"
>>25078151atp I will stop arguing. cant make it more obvious that I am european. your lack of self awareness is concerning.
>>25078153Conversion is the merciful option they’ve been given and taken advantage of time and time again through subversion. In my opinion, it’s most practical to just expel them.
>>25076844horkhymen can't possibly be conflict of interest.
>>25078005>In your world what's good for the Jews is good for America. That is a false narrative.In *your* world, what's bad for the Jews (like being expelled from Kentucky) was good for America at the time. I wonder how many such circumstances you can create where some atrocious treatment of jews is validated.>Emails back and forth between Jews like Epstein, David Stern, countless others calling the Christians in this country disparagingly as goyim. This isn't even scratching the surface of the whole thingI'll break a secret to you: you are a gentile, you are a foreigner. Jews among themselves will never acknowledge you with the same reverence as they do to themselves. Similar to how blacks will deal with blacks, or hispanics with spanics. There is this tacit understanding that "jews must be a team", just like every other ethnicity does. Hell, we protect minorities in America exactly because otherwise, whites would hold all positions of power.This is a fundamental mistake of the Enlightenment, to assume people are equal. We are not. People are born to families, cultures, communities and ethnicities to which they hold unchosen allegiances first and foremost.I agree there will always be a jewish question, but that is not the fault of jews, but of the romans.>>25078058I think this anon has been raising a valiant effort, and has presented the Grant affair as a good example. Except mentioning the Grant expulsions did no good to his position, and exposed the common demeanor of gentiles of blaming jews who were victims, as well as the common attacks against jews that happen once a single layer of civility is removed. This validates Adorno's great fear of a second holocaust, when all it takes is a single inconvenience for an entire generation to want a pogrom.
Since we seem to have a real live Jew ITT, I'd like to solicit his opinion on the article in this link.https://archive.md/qDG5J>>25077561>I'm not saying it's right. It is profoundly unjust and yet understandable.If Jews not engaged in criminal activity refuse to police their own communities to the standards of their host nation while also offering de facto support for their co-ethnics engaged in illegal activity - much less during a time of existential crisis for said host nation - then said "innocent" jews have no right to complain when they end up tarred with the same brush as their less innocent compatriots; exactly what is "unjust" about this? Jews were expelled wholesale because as a community they refused, through both action and inaction, to cease their overtly harmful and destructive behaviors during times of war.
Jews disproportionately sow degeneracy and non Christian lifestyles.
>>25076899Just about everyone ITT is retarded.
>>25077286>Adorno and Horkheimer are communist jews without God.Leads to white people dying.Acts 4:32 is jews with God who is Jesus Christ.Leads to white people living.Big difference.
>>25077289I cant afford a house or get health care while Israel gets both.
>>25077351The only solution to the jq is conversion to Christianity.
>>25076844>>25076885I'm so tired of it. The only argument you can really make is that the entire Abrahamic framework is an issue, but the Jews are definitely an issue with how they worship banking and controlling society through finance and other nefarious means. Like you don't need to be a moralist here to recognize Jews will buttfuck your society to make a penny, it's just in your best interest to curb them. Then they lie and deflect like crazy.. Honestly they bring it on themselves time and time again because they seem to have absolutely no ambition or value or sum outside of make a penny. How do you even relate to an insular community like that?>>25076904Jews have been kicked out of countries and disliked time and time and time again,
>>25077351I want jews to stop doing things to harm my race. It's that simple. If you don't want to be killed then don't act against my interests. Jews don't HAVE to push immigration, debt slavery, miscegenation, pornography, and pedophilia. They choose to do so and they are increasingly experiencing backlash for their choices.What makes you think jews should automatically be immune from anything they do to anyone? We don't owe you protection. We don't even owe you consideration. You made your bed, now lie in it.
>>25077351Antisemitism is the first reaction to the obvious incestuous Jewish networks woven around the annals of power.When Italians were all violent mafioso, anti-Italian sentiment was similarly huge. But Italians became normal citizens after a generation or two whereas Jews continued to draw on their international power base.>gentiles should support Israel as a home for the jewsOnly if you permit us to evict all Jews from our countries and deny further citizenship to anyone with so much as official residency in Israel.
>>25077179Is antisemitism ever justified?
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>>25078867death note is overrated.
>>25078845Frieren is an anime for manchildren who can't handle grey morality, which is why /pol/cels like it so much.Anime with grey morality like Death Note, Fate/Zero and Attack on Titan is strictly for mature viewers who can grasp complex themes.
>>25076844OP here. I am very disappointed in /lit/ and now I understand why book burnings happen. People just can't be expected to entertain ideas that go against their personal beliefs. Any book that expresses any mild concern or believes that a second holocaust should not happen is already too radical for those who are antissemitic, and thus is "jewish cope" or anything of the worse.When the next pogrom happens, I just know anything by Adorno and Horkheimer will end up in a pyre. Just like the last time, where you burned Einstein, Freud, Wells and Marx .Inevitably, the misguided sense of understanding and domination that Enlightenment society has over nature will culminate in yet another holocaust because you won't go against the sacred tenants of your society, preferring to blame jews for its misgivings.And no, antissemitism is never justified and needs to be uprooted as soon as possible, alongside the tree that gave birth to it. People wonder why are jews so vocal and "paranoid", when the answer is obvious. You are all one bad day, one bad war, from going medieval again.
>>25078659If the only thing keeping gentiles from eradicating your people has to be blackmailing their leadership for being pedophiles, I understand Epstein. Ulysses S. Grant would not have expelled the jews from three states if they had a tape of him touching a child.
>>25078551Doesn't work. See Bill Barr's family, Bob Rae in Ontario and the conversos in Spain.
>>25078185>Jews among themselves will never acknowledge you with the same reverence as they do to themselves. Similar to how blacks will deal with blacks, or hispanicsI actually laughed out loud at this. That a Jew believes some Jewish oligarch talking about gentiles disparagingly is even remotely the same as a couple of Blacks or Hispanics talking about Jews disparagingly. There are obvious power dynamics involved here. Anyone who thinks this is the same is delusional.>fundamental mistake of the Enlightenment, to assume people are equal. We are notThat's your misunderstanding and since your premise is wrong the whole thing is wrong. The whole notion of equality or all men are created equal refers to our unalienable rights.>>25078058I hear you. But I say let them speak. The more people who read it the better. Just look at this little comment here:>>25078185>Hell, we protect minorities in America exactly because otherwise, whites would hold all positions of powerHe said the quiet part out loud. The Civil Rights Act cemented Jewish power over whites. Jews have crowned themselves protectors of all non-Whites. It reminds of a deal the Jews tried to do with Hispanics many years ago; you support Israel and we'll give you citizenship. Read it straight from the Jewish perspectivehttps://web.archive.org/web/20161115190011/https://jewishjournal.com/articles/print/the_new_power_of_a_latino-jewish_coalition_in_la_20110309/
>>25076844Do Jews believe something religiously that is a lie? Yes. Are lies bad to believe and spread? Yes. Will that have unfortunate outcomes in this life and in the next? Yes. Should Jews be discriminated against? No. Should Jews know that Judaism is an intellectual backwater and spiritually devoid of the God they claim to love and that their "religion" has no prophets, ark, or covenant? Yes. Do Jews even agree on the books of the Bible? Is it just the Torah or is Jonah a prophet? Is the Torah literally dictated to Moses? Where is their high priest? Where is their temple? Where are their prophets? What is the "true" denomination? Are reformed Jews more or less Jewish? What type of Hasidic? Judaism is a joke and a lie and so Jews are discriminated against by reality and God first and foremost and antisemites secondly.
>>25078877Is Judaism true?
>>25079059>Should Jews be discriminated against? No.>Judaism is a joke and a lie and so Jews are discriminated against by reality and God first and foremost So which is it, anon? I think you had it right the second time. Antisemitism is a useless word unless used to mystify the goyim.
>>25078877Zero acceptance of responsibility for the terrorists who run Israel, bribe and blackmail western politicians, and intentionally provoke antisemitism to empower their Zionist mandate more. Arendt and Einstein were 110% correct about Zionist terrorism and it’s horrible implications for Judaism. Everybody here hates you, OP, because you are a boldface hypocrite who cannot admit that Jews are just as capable of and in fact go out of their way to be terrible humans.
>>25079065Sorry--people with Jewish ancestry should not be politically and systematically discriminated against based on heritage. The larger issue is that Judaism is just untrue. God would happily accept any and all Jews as Catholics at any second.>>25079066I don't hate Jews. The sad part is that Judaism produces a highly predictable mindset that they don't seem to realize and get mad at you if you point it out too accurately. This doesn't equate to Jewish ghettos as consequence but it does equate to Jewish people highly predictable.
>>25078639>>25077351The basic analysis that destroys your conception of how Jews and their home countries relate is imagine if I said that I want to legalize:>abortion>gay marriage>transgenderism>rabid feminism>contraception>immigration>porn>credit cardsbut only Jewish people. You would think I hate Jewish people but when "reformed" Jewish people have advocated for the above for the "goyim" then they have been lauded. The point is not, "wow, the Jews are evil," but WHY are they blind to these obvious dimensions? It's because they're not Catholic, fwiw.
>>25079069>people with Jewish ancestry should not be politically and systematically discriminated against based on heritage. Fine. I know St. John of the Cross had converso ancestry. I understand your point, and my point is that Jews (conversos), their children and grandchildren have no place in positions of power. That's how it worked in Spain and it's a good model in general.
>>25079077There MIGHT be a Jewish blood curse (I'm open to this), but then there should be a rite or prayer that should heal you of this and thus would nullify it. The Church can free you from all curses, obviousy. Freemasonry has the same thing.
>>25079077>>25079079I will say anecdotally, it does seems that there are generational blessings from Catholics. A lot of converts had parents that did not baptize or catechize them but that are now turning to the Faith. I think it would make sense that there are curses and blessings generationally that, while not salvifically deterministic, do have meaningful spiritual, intellectual, and worldly impacts.
>>25078546>Muh 10 gorillian dead (Marxist) commnizums >Acts is in the Old Testament right? You're dumb as a bag of bricks, that's the difference.
>>25076885a book written by two fookin' jews. About how Jews dindu-nuffin. Imagine that.God damn it, Jews scream their hgead off preaching. Jews are not at fault for feminism!Then they *brag* how every major feminist in the feminist movement? Was Jewish!The level of chutzpah required to not throw up, is beyond the mere gentile abilities I possess.OP is a fag, and guilty of not just advanced faggotry, but super advanced faggotry. This piece of middah was born at night? But not *last* night. What a schlemiel OP takes us all for.>its all an open secret, OP. To be seen as an "effective" leading politician in Israel? You need to be seen "influencing and controlling" USA politics. What the fuck is up with that. So you can wipe your ass with your book.
>>25076945>This is a misconception. The entirety of holocaust education lacked nuance, as proven by this point. Sarah Hurwitz addressed this:>Translation. A JEW will explain it the way it should be seen. Fuck that. Subscribe to Pewdiepie.
>>25077179your pilpul isn't working anymore, schlomo.
>>25077243burn the tares. Pastor Pete Peters, for president!
>>25077304>just proves why Israel was founded.so why don't all you motherfuckers go there, stay there, and get the fuck out of countries where you aren't wanted. The *fuck* do you think Israel was created for? No one wanted you! 108 countries! Go, the, fuck, home. Stay, there.
>>25076844I believe Nick Fuentes put it best:>”Trump won the popular vote in 2024 and by now he’d probably lose to Joe Biden if an election were held today. Devoured from within by Zionists and grifters.”Figures like Patrick Casey on Twitter are making a devil’s bargain with Israel-Firsters: they promise mass deportations and tougher borders, but in exchange they demand total tolerance for a Jewish elite that privately views gentiles as cattle goyim to be managed, exploited, and kept at arm’s length. These people should not be calling any shots in an American movement or any movement at all. You cannot trust a foreign-aligned minority with deeply entrenched supremacy, and in-group preferences to genuinely strengthen white representation, dismantle anti-white policies, or halt mass third-world immigration. That is the core rot in the modern conservative”l platform: it talks tough on symptoms while surrendering the commanding heights to interests that are fundamentally hostile to the any historic nation. Jews are states within a states, and the Epstein files proved that they do have different ‘laws’ or standards that protect Jews in said states.
>>25079079In Exodus 20:5 it talks about some ‘curse,’ but God is not declaring a magical or fatalistic curse placed on innocent descendants, but warning that sin has real, lasting consequences when it is continued. In the ancient biblical worldview, families lived, worked, worshiped, and sinned together; therefore, when a generation “hates” God (Which must extend to Jesus, since you can’t get to God without him and Jews are the most anti-christians ever) the effects naturally persist. it looks like they’re curse would really it’s just their own wrongdoing getting them in trouble, hence why the temple burned down starting the Jewish circle of getting kicked out many times when Grace just turns into supremacy.
>>25076844yoyu're listening to the wrong jew.
>>25079269The way that I see it, the West has been completely hollowed out by liberalism and any attempt at creating a new mythology to steer our dead post-industrial end-of-history civilization results in incoherence. The Jews of Israel however are the ones who represent the neocon mythology of fighting for "Western civilization" against the barbarian hordes. In their narrative Israel is the promised state that is a beacon for the civilized world that paves the way for the Biblical end-times and if it falls under any circumstance then the liberal West will crumble. The West therefore re-oriented its conception of the world as being centered in Jerusalem and tied to Zionism, and this has only accelerated in the 21st century when Zionism has become particularly attractive to the right-wing after having their own narratives of fighting the uncivilized invaders whether it's immigrants or Palestinians. Similarly, leftism in the West has become so completely deracinated and tied to the flow of consumer capital that they can't exercise any revolutionary power on their own terms. They increasingly defer to Muslims and cultivate them as a progressive voter class under liberal parties because they're more willing to show force than other leftists who are nothing but pathetic, impotent moralizing priests of academia and entertainment. This is why leftists are hinging all their activism on Palestine and using Muslim progressives like Mamdani to achieve their goals. Now all political discussion in the West is tied to these twin powers of Zionism and Islam, because there is no substance in Western culture anymore, there's literally nothing to it. Even the technocrats who do have a sci-fi industrial vision of the future are all Zionists fighting on behalf of the proud liberal West, because they can't come up with anything on their own.
>>25079566Appears to be going to plan.
>>25079566Somewhat interesting take, yet you disconsider the mythological discourse of jews being 'baby eating demons in control of the elites of the entire West'. Unlike Adorno and Horkheimer, you do not think that this blatant obsession with a jewish cabal taking over most of academia, politics, finance and security agencies is just a myth in which the losers within capitalism believe.Mythological discourse in the future, as capitalism continues to decline, will be a struggle between antissemites calling for the final pogrom, and the few remaining good christians who assist Israel in their attempt to create the end times. Both the conspiracy theorists calling for the genocide of jews and the sympathetic evangelicals (ever less numerous, unfortunately) deal within mythological discourse rather than political, and this struggle will be the centerpoint of the breaking point of the right-wing. At least if they still have enough of a decency to support Israel and jews unconditionally.It was comical when an US SENATOR said that in an interview, but those who bless Israel really are blessed. The UK and the Americans blessed Israel in the 1930-40s, and what gift did the jews of Europe give to them? A weapon that wins all wars in their favor.
>>25076844>Jews writing about the "failure of capitalism"This will never not be funny.
>>25078877>People just can't be expected to entertain ideas that go against their personal beliefsYet you're taking at face value 2 Jews writing a grand theory about why Jews are innocent of everything they've been ever accused of. You didn't even try to question the argument.
>>25079764It is not a myth that Jews have disproportionate influence and control over Western media, institutions and finance. It is basic reality and fact. Every actual Jew and Zionist can admit this with impunity to convince others of how reliable and indispensable Jews are, but when non-Jews say it you kvetch about anti-Semitic conspiracy theories.
My theory is that the Jews were segregated from society and didn’t bother to integrate for so long that no one viewed them as part of the European society. This along with their religion being more permissive to greed and banking made them a foreign people who may be conspiring to bring down greater European society. This is seen in inverse in Denmark, where the Jews did integrate into Danish society and were seen as Danes with a different religion, where the Danish public did put up a fight to save the Jews form Hitler where the other Europeans didn’t give a shit. Now I think Jews have basically integrated and interbred with White Europeans, so aside from some fringe freaks I think that they’re in no real danger of another holocaust.
>>25079764Is Judaism true? You know it's not. But maybe you should practice saying it in the mirror twenty times without laughing, "Judaism is totally true." I don't get why you keep fantasizing about this "final pogrom." https://christtheking.info/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Treaty-To-Covert-Jews-St.-Vincent-Ferrer.pdf Here is a great document on why Judaism is wrong.>discourse of jews being 'baby eating demons in control of the elites of the entire West'. Unlike Adorno and Horkheimer, you do not think that this blatant obsession with a jewish cabal taking over most of academia, politics, finance and security agencies is just a myth in which the losers within capitalism believe.Here is a direct quote from Jesus in the Bible:>Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have loved you. Rev 3:9.Your cult is a lie and a bad lie at that. Repent.
>>25079882The Christian kings had them segregated so they could conduct their occult studies and blood sacrifices in total privacy
>>25077561Fuck me. You know Grant just used stereotypes of the time to issue the order? Now fuck off to pol.>Grant discovered his own father, Jesse Grant, was involved in a partnership with Jewish merchants (the Mack brothers) to trade in cotton using permits that Grant himself had to approve.
>>25078877>When the next pogrom happens, I just know anything by Adorno and Horkheimer will end up in a pyre. Just like the last time, where you burned Einstein, Freud, Wells and Marx .>another typical jewish lie. Type "what books did the nazis burn" into google search bar, to read the truth on WIkipedia.
>>25079597The death of Christianity has been foretold many times before. It never pans out. The enemies of God always meet with ruin.
>>25079764I am by your definition a Antisemite but I do respect Judaism. Recently been visiting Budapest and there is quite a big jewish community with good vibes, the teachings you have for your own people are good. I also think Kabbalah stands as a monumental work of mystical thought. But how you have been exploiting and treating the Germanic Races over the last 2000 years is nothing short of evil. Deep down you know this to be true. The only way forward for Jews is to speak out and stop the exploitation and annihilation of my people. If you do not do this this will greatly backfire as history has shown. You recognize yourself that there has been an awakening.
>>25079882This is correct, intermarriage rate now is insane
Jews will never escape the guilt of the fact that they killed their own God. All their evil acts are an attempt to cover for this, to fill the hole in their heart from the Crucifixion. Atheists will never fully understand the Jews because they'll never fully appreciate the motive behind their deeds.
>>25080301ironic. one of the biggest Jewish crimes was to spread this mind virus over Europe to completely annihilate the culture of my people along with its customs and gods. And look how much it has backfired.
>>25080319>tfw no high IQ jewfu to keep your mind stimulated all your lifeIt hurts bros
>>25080325Your "gods" are fake, or they were demons too weak to stand before the One True God. The Crucifixion is true. The Resurrection is true. It is "a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks," but that's precisely why it has spread around the world. The Truth of Christianity is why it wins, why it will always win, and why it will win this time, too.
>>25080325>completely annihilate the culture of my people along with its customsYou’re either that LARPing Jew, or just ignorant of Christian incorporation of pagan customs. The Church “baptized” them. All that was good remained, and the filth was washed clean. It’s good to be proud of your people, but don’t be a nigger about it.
>>25079566I'm shocked Fukuyama isn't ashamed to show his face in public.
>>25080321jesus was a jewish messiah. his teachings were good but completely useless in a time where the jews were conquered by the romans. they yearned for a messiah - a military leader - that s why they rejected him. all the things your bible teaches about gods kingdom on earth etc. it s about israel. it s about a foreign people - a foreign nation. how do you not recognize this. you follow the teachings of a failed jewish reformer. every kid that is forced to read the bible basically learns the national history of the jewish people.Christianity is jewish by nature. They spread it decade after Jesus died everywhere in Rome. Rome only persecuted Christians because in their mind they were Jews. Jews financed and spread Christianity all over their empire. (Why would the teachings of a Jewish Reformer be thought outside of Jew-Land?). wake the fuck up or stay cattle.
>>25080353>failedYou didn't read to the end of the Gospels.
>>25080342I'll stick with Plato and Plotinus good sir.
>>25080353Stfu, Jew. I’m tired of this old rigamarole of bullshit. Jesus, God, was betrayed by the Jews. That’s Deicide. He Resurrected and is in heaven, head of His Church on earth; the one that acknowledges no other king.Jews:>We have no king but Caesar Christians:>Christ is king.That’s why Christians went to the lions. Like always, the Jews lied when they declared their fealty to Caesar because they would rebel 40 years later and have Jerusalem rightfully eviscerated in consequence for their hubris.
>>25080342my gods are the blood memory that runs within my veins and the veins of every european. (same go for jews and their god - very telling that you follow an abrahamic god - what does this tell us?)some Christians listen to the energy within them and think its god speaking to them - maybe a Germanic god but certainly not a Jewish one. Its your blood memory that has been past down by your ancestors. And you should honor them. many are just so detached and disconnected from your natural senses and feelings that they are caught up completely within their mind. one of the many traumatized souls - a good example of the suffering that my people has endured for centuries. I hope Christianity did indeed help with their suffering.
>>25080375>t. LARPing Kike
>>25080373and right after Jerusalem fell what happened? Christianity was the revenge of the Jewish people against Rome. It spread all over Europe and allowed them to infiltrate it. Anyone who doesn’t believe in ghosts and reads into the history will understand this it is very evident.
>>25080382Jews literally believe that Jesus is boiling in shit in Hell. They despise Him.
>>25080315>But how you have been exploiting and treating the Germanic Races over the last 2000 years is nothing short of evil. Deep down you know this to be trueSelf-preservation is evil? The "germanic race" shoves millions of you in a death camp, and loaning money because that is the only trade you are allowed to do in a backwards white civilization is somehow evil?Western Civilization is a race to suicidal collapse. I am sorry jews do not want to take part in it, or that they even give you little nudges to help you in your self-destructing endeavor because they think of the world that comes after.The lot of western civilization is suicide, that is due to the contradictions of Enlightenment civilization. It is fate. I am not happy with this, since jews are not welcome elsewhere like they have been welcomed in the USA. If I should mourn for any nation, it will be for the USA, since they no longer will serve as a home in the next few decades due to their rabid youth indoctrinated by russo-chinese media.
the book is garbage, but so is ofc anti-semitism
>>25079566This is post-war liberalism, not the older strains of liberalism that were more patriotic. You treat Zionism as some exogenous force that hijacked a hollowed-out West, but that’s backwards. The hollowing came first, deliberately engineered by the very intellectual tradition that now positions Israel as the West’s “last bastion.”Post-war liberalism (the Frankfurt School, Boasian anthropology, the New York intellectuals, civil-rights jurisprudence, open-borders ideology) didn’t just erode organic Western identity it systematically pathologized it. Ethnic particularity, syndicate Socialism, nationalism, even the concept of a core European-derived people were branded as proto-fascist pathologies that must be suppressed forever to prevent “another Holocaust.”That intellectual framework, disproportionately shaped by Jewish thinkers reacting to European history, became the hegemonic ideology of the postwar West. It didn’t leave a vacuum it filled the space with guilt, universalism, and self-loathing, making any authentic right-wing revival (one rooted in European particularity, continuity, and self-assertion) morally and intellectually illegitimate in elite institutions.Zionism didn’t “re-orient” the West around Jerusalem. The West’s elites were captured by that same post-war liberal paradigm—adopted Zionism as a convenient exception, the one form of ethnic particularism and nationalism they could still celebrate without violating their own anti-nationalist taboos. Israel gets to have borders, an ethnic core, demographic concerns, and a sense of historic peoplehood because it’s framed as the eternal victim defending “liberal democracy” against “barbarians.” It’s the acceptable outlet for instincts that are forbidden to Europeans themselves. That’s why neocons and right-liberals cling to it so desperately: it’s a proxy for the kind of politics they’re no longer allowed to advocate at home.The left’s turn toward Palestine and Muslim clientelism is just the mirror image: the same post-war liberal universalism, stripped of any remaining European content, now seeks new oppressed proxies to maintain its moral narrative. They can’t rally around their own people because the ideology they inherited taught them their own people are the eternal oppressors.You’re right that Western culture feels substanceless but the cause isn’t some mysterious end-of-history malaise. It’s a deliberate intellectual project, led by figures who had every reason to fear and dismantle the old European order. Until the right names that project openly and breaks its taboo structure, it will keep chasing Zionist proxies or Muslim bogeymen instead of rebuilding something genuinely its own. It’s a grave they built themselves, the World takes on the responsibility of Gay Race Communism while Jews do not. People are going to see the hypocrisy and special status, and defending is going to be impossible.
Memecaust 2 can't happen soon enough.
>>25080932That is pretty much what I already said. The difference is that you seem to think this all started after WW2 when that is in fact not the same. Liberals were already wedded to Zionism in the early days, particularly Anglos liberals who were Christian Zionist philosemites and desired to carve up the Middle East like Balfour. Liberalism already was hollow in the earlier days when it was quite agreeable compared to today; there was never a point where it was criticized more than in the early 20th century after all which just goes to show how utterly dominant and wretched it has become. Zionism and liberalism are very much intertwined, Jewish nationalism is deliberately intended to be the one living contradiction that liberalism acquiesces to and has an increasingly difficult time concealing.
>>25080435This. Ignore every jew that tells you otherwise.
>>25076844jews are always the scapegoat but never the perpatrator, how are they so unlucky bros
>>25078871>grey morality like Death NoteA series about a serial-killer who works with literal demons isn't grey morality. (AoT is after my time, but isn't it about genocide?)
>>25080382>Christianity was the revenge of the Jewish people against Rome. It spread all over Europe and allowed them to infiltrate it. Not true. They hated Christian Rome and one of my red pills was in a medieval phase when I found out how often they'd collaborate with Muslims against their Christian neighbors. Jews hated them so much they thought Mehmed II could be Messiah when he started killing them. The people who push the "Christianity is a Jewish plot" meme are completely unfamiliar with the Crusades. (Now Islam, however...)
>>25082528I agree with you. Christianity became a bastion that united the Europeans and should be respected as that. I guess you are to dogmatic to see that it is still Jewish in origin and thought. As long as Religion > Racial Identity for the Europeans they will continue to be exploited and erradicated. Christian Values would not go away as they are in fact Germanic values. Christianity just adopted them because we converted.>>25080752you won‘t be spilling our blood for your self preservation any longer.
>>25078871Every single Death Note and AoT fan that I know is a manchild, queer or quirk chungus.
>>25077757Idk, I assumed it was obnoxious "pagan" larpers. Could be both
>>25077757Maybe you dont understand what is meant by Jewish. >Jews are the spiritual successors of the Jews that had Christ crucifiedYes they crucified another Jew with Jewish followers and share the OT with Christians while the NT is also written by ethnic Jews.
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>>25076964>Yes, there are alot of Jewish elites who have a Zionist agenda and play the antisemitism card to shield themselves from any criticism, but the average normie Jew is no part of such conspiracies and really don’t deserve to be scapegoated for what elite Jews do.Funny how this logic only ever applies to the Jews while all other nations are held accountable en masse for the deeds of a select few of their leaders (see: the treatment of Germans in Eastern Europe after WW2)
>>25082851Yes, but in one case Jews mean OT, and in the other, Jews means NT Synagogue of Satan. That’s the difference being conflated to strawman Christianity. >"…who say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie.”
>>25082916NTA, I hold pretty much any group of people accountable on sliding scales; religious leaders and the highly intelligent and those who receive the most grace will be, likely, held to the highest account on judgment day. I do think you're recognizing a real double-standard between "Bad Jew so Jews bad versus bad Muslim so not all Muslims are bad," but finding a flaw in someone else's argument doesn't make Judaism any less of a lie. Keep at this, is Islam true? No. Will people who follow lies do bad things because doing good things is the truth? Obviously, yes. Are there exceptions? Yes.
>>25078037They're trying to unite all of Eurasia now and will fail. Even most chud ethnonationalists are secretly globalists when you dig deep into their psyches.
>>25078871>Anime with grey morality>like Death NotelolIf we want to talk "anime" with grey morality, I've recently been reading The Hundred Line, a visual novel. It's not complex, obviously for teenagers, but it does have an interesting take on "grey morality" within that field, a very nuanced take on if murder can be justified, typical "Would you kill baby Hitler stuff", and what that says about the perpetrator. Hardly the deepest thing ever, but I enjoyed it, especially the work that goes into making the victim completely unredeemable. Shifts it from being a simple "Murder is bad" to a more complex idea about how war shifts and reshapes someone's fundamental values. There's a particularly amazing moment where the baby Hitler in question tries to play the "You're a horrible murderer" card and the work engages in relativistic morality by having everyone as a group decide to put him down.
>>25076844In some aspect you are right. Jews were a target chosen by capital to create a fake nationalist narrative - not to cope with the failure of Capitalism - but to"save it" from socialist revolution coming from de East. They were always an easy target because they are and were overrepresented in the bourgeoise, and you could easily blame them on the faults of capital.Still, jews ceased to be the target the moment WW2 ended. In the contemporary world, jews have a powerful lobby in Western Countries. I could not imagine a holocaust to the jews happening today even if, for example, AfD won in Germany; and I'm pretty sure they would actually be pro-zionist. People love to talk abou a "rise in antissemitism" (not a single proof exists outside the Israel lobby about this supposed rise), but if there is a single minority group that is the target of capital today, it is immigrant muslims. And I'm not being pro-muslim, but you have to admit the fact that there is big anti immigrant muslim talk in every far-right party in Europe, and these parties are rising. I see this discourse is slowly crawling to a holocaust style extermination of this specific population.Of course, muslim immigrants can't buy politicians, ads and social media bots - Zionists can. Ironically, muslims are the group most hated by Israel, the one they are currently exterminating, and whose mass immigration to Europe can be attributed to the wars Israel started or participated in the Middle East.I do not blame the jews. But I blame Capital for choosing the jew state to do its dirtiest deeds.
>>25080932Jews in history have always been a pain in the butt way before the Enlightenment; it's a false premise that ignores their messed up talmud culture that says stealing and lying to Goym is good.
>>25077351>On what basis do the Chinese expect anyone to sincerely empathize with their situation if they have never felt the slightest hint of empathy for anyone but themselves since the dawn of their existence?Ok, fair point, I am acknowledged in "Han Primacy" theory and I do concede that the Chinese do not foster sympathy for non-Chinese.But don't you think that is deserved?Gweilo have done more than a hundred massacres against the Chinese. And even to this day, antisinicism is rampant and it is the first reaction of westerners when their civilization fails.I do not think anymore that therr is a solution to the Chinese questiom because gweilo detest the Chinese. But if so, gweilo should support China as a home for the Chinese, or just admit that they want a hemisphere-sized pogrom (and prove Ah-do-ngo was correct).
>>25077511I'm not a dispensationalist
>>25077574>I cannot agree with you on the Grant example, and I think the Tennesse expulsion is the most shameful episode of US civil warReally? I thought it was all the racialized slavery and the bloody, gory fighting of brother against brother but I guess you're right. The expulsion of the Jews--- not the Native Americans before, during, and after the war-- is the most shameful part of the Civil War
>>25084146Kek
>>25076844The reason for antisemitism is obvious: Jews are genital mutilating cultists that despise non-Jews.
>>25084103This might unironically be a great mental exercise for Jews and Gentiles. Imagine yourself as a Chinaman trying to point at grand historical narratives and interlinked social dynamics and ask yourself if you believe him
>>25076844Many jews and their lackeys make this type of argument. Similar to that Sartre essay. That jews are chosen randomly in some arbitrary, a priori fashion and are totallly innocent of what the antisemite (whatever that means) accuses them of. This argument is stupid in many ways, but chiefly in that it ignores all of the empirical or a posteriori evidence for the various claims they view as "antisemetic" e.g jews in western countries betraying them in order to collude and support Israel, there is abundant evidence for this, yet they reject it in an a priori fashion because it is negative towards jews and therefore untrue in their eyes.
The fundamental building block of western European civilization, that the entire edifice of contemporary civilization is now based on, is the proto-Indo-European client-patron relationship. Originally based on a form of reciprocal gift-giving and exchange of oaths, it allowed non-related kin groups to exchange loyalties and form alliances to expand their power and influence beyond the possible borders of a single kin group or ethnic group. This relationship could be used to secure marriages, military alliances, trade negotiations etc in a way that benefitted both the client and the patron, and a patron could enter more contracts to become another person's client for other purposes.This social system undergirds pretty much every European civilization. It's how Caesar was able to seamlessly recruit Gauls and Germans to fight for him despite neither side speaking the same language; their societies were all based on client patron relations. In the 100 Years War, a French-speaking King of England could field armies of Englishmen, Irish, Welsh, Frenchmen, Basques, Bretons etc for the same reason. Cortez had no problem against recruiting a horde of Indian auxiliaries because the notion of becoming patron to foreigners was common sense to him. In the age of colonialism, Europeans enacted these kinds of networks with state backing in Africa and Asia that became the basis for independent states later.The fundamental flaw of this system however, is that despite its flexibility at franchising beyond ethnic borders, once insular ethnic groups become clients/franchisees they do not take the oaths and norms seriously and manipulate it for the benefit of their own kin group. Jews and gypsies in medieval times were persecuted because any oath taken by them was less important than the interest of their ethnoreligious ingroup. They were not trusted to become trustworthy clients or patrons because they existed in a parallel social system based around furthering the interest of their ethnic group as a whole, while a Frank, Goth, Roman, Greek, Anglo-Saxon viewed their personal oath of fealty to their patron or client as sacrosanct, above their ethnic interest.
>>25084906The fundamental division between European and Jewish culture, historically speaking (now many Jews are increasingly assimilated) is that the former viewed oaths sworn between individuals as sacrosanct and the basis for law and order, and the organization of society and the economy writ large, while the latter viewed their collective oath to God as sacrosanct, with any arrangements made with gentiles being of much lesser importance. The irreconcilability came from one side being flexible and willing to extend franchise to other groups who would play along, coming into contact with insular groups who wanted to gain the benefits of being a client or patron without fully integrating and giving reciprocal benefits to the other party, because they simply did not respect the sacred nature of the client-patron relationship in the same way. Why do you think that being an "oath breaker" was such a huge deal in ancient and medieval society? Because it meant that you could not be trusted to take part in any kind of social or economic or political relationship.
Of course they said that; both were CIA assets brought from Germany to the United States to shift Marxist discussions of the time from political economy to culture. It's no coincidence that in America they received so much funding to conduct research portraying Jews as historical victims instead of the working class. It also didn't help that both came from wealthy families and never had to work for anyone to earn a living. At least Marx experienced hunger and poverty from time to time, having to jump from country to country due to political persecution; these guys had everything handed to them on a silver platter from the very beginning, even when they were fleeing Nazism. They even let Walter Benjamin die in Spain, lying to him about not having the funds to help him, simply because of their friendship with Bertolt Brecht at the time. These guys were never communists: hence all the betrayals they committed throughout practically their entire lives against those they supposedly supported, while simultaneously destroying Marxism from within and replacing it with their so-called critical theory.
>>25084906good post.
>>25080003>Jesse Grant, was involved in a partnership with Jewish merchantsYou'll be better off at /pol/ since you let your ideology ignore the facts. Of course Grant's father was involved with Jewish merchants, that's the point genius. They all were involved with Jewish merchants.Jewish traders cornered the cotton market as intermediaries. There wasn't a hand in the cotton trade that didn't go through some kind of Jewish merchant. Grant's order had nothing to do with stereotypes of the time but all to do with reality.Cutting off the black market cotton was seen as essential to stop the Confederacy's war machine. But I guess that's antisemitic as well. Apparently defeating the Confederacy was antisemitic. Funny how that works.
>>25076844bait. every frankfurt head would be a giga "antisemite" today, isrealis are perpetually self infantalising and utterly tied to slave morality. even when they are dominaint they still refer to a rhetorical higher figure (not god even) to condemn their opponents.
>>25084906>>25084917The fundamental building block of Western European Civilization is not some mumbo jumbo about keeping oaths. If anything, you are proving why this system of oaths based on reputation is flawed, while jews had community enforced norms.Capitalism, as you understand, came from a very hard undertaking mostly by jews to establish legal frameworks for the good application of capital, the respect for contracts and the concession of credit. In the Shakespeare antissemitic play, you even have a jew being a villain due to charging money that was owed to him (?).
>>25086017Western civilization existed for thousands of years before capitalism took root. Capitalism is not an inherent part of the IE western social system, which is why Shylock was cast as an unambiguous villain in Shakespeare's time when the naked pursuit of capital was seen as morally reprehensible and antisocial. Capitalism developed through the momentum caused by the European social system exploding across the globe as transactions and relations became increasingly abstracted and financialized.Like Marx, I believe that the cold pursuit of capital robs you of your humanity and turns you into a sort of antisocial vampire. The traditional western institutions of clientage-patronage are much more humane and adaptable. You still haven't even contended with my claim that Jewish culture is fundamentally irreconcilable with our civilizational values.
>>25076844You can't be vastly over-represented in the upper-strata of society then cry about being victimized.
>>25077492It's called Israel and predictably, it's also the only country subjected to comical accusations, double standards, obsessive attention and outrage that might rival all the countries of the world put together.People just will never leave the Jews alone and it's better if they had a state to defend themselves then not, In addition to psychological reasons given itt, two millennia of catholicism (pre 1960s), christian orthodoxy and islam painting the Jews as definitionally evil already built in the instinct in billions. The only societies Jews don't suffer from this reflexive hatred don't have the theological tradition of the above, In those, The Jews will only become the scapegoat, naturally, as the "foreigners" who outcompete everybody.
>>25077351The audacity is revolting, Jews gave so much to western civilization despite every betrayal and persecution they suffered from Europe, And yet they still want them dead , Jews unironically should align with the Chinese the moment this wave of peasantry bloodlust hit the US in a way that's irrecoverable, Then the west will truly understand what it means to be a "goycattle" instead of the lucky ones to get to benefit from jewish expression in every form of life, the chinese will be livid, after all they're the ones funding and engineering many of the antisemitic content in recent years, they, contrary to many in the west, understand that the only thing preventing the west from falling under Chinese rule is Jewish ingenuity in science, tech, finances and culture.
>>25086702Disingenuous piece of genocidal filth. Everything that comes out of your mouth is a falsehood.>>25086729You are more than welcome to fuck off to China, we don't want you here. Although you'll find that the Chinese aren't so keen on welcoming you into their country.
>>25079796It's a fact because jews dominate at the narrowest distribution of complexity management and creativity, It follows in IQ, education, achievements, wealth.. literally everything. Large % of the conspiracies around the Jews fail to recognize the force factor Jews have within normal distribution curve, In any meritocratic system you should expect the square root of production to be dominated by Jews, given their population isn't extremely neglectable.
>>25076844>According to them, jews are just a random target, and there is nothing they could have done or not done to stop this.woah man... that's deep...>>25076885lol
>>25076844I think they're wrong. Antisemitism in the West is mostly a reaction to behavior patterns common among peoples from the Middle East and South Asia that many Westerners dislike. This can be more easily recognized nowadays thanks to the presence of significant un-selected populations of Arabs, Indians, and Pakistanis in Europe and/or North America.
>>25086702>People just will never leave the Jews aloneI am a founding stock American. My earliest American ancestors came to these shores four hundred and six years ago and have engaged in warfare on and off to expand their dominion ever since. I do not feign ignorance or get offended when some indignant minority screeches about how my country is "stolen land". My ancestors took it from theirs by force and deception and occasionally even legally. I am glad my ancestors did so, else I would not be here, and I feel no shame for them; though as always there are the historical regrets in hindsight that always appear when one engages in navel-gazing.If you people had the balls to own it then you'd be better off. Within living memory and acting in the finest tradition of their old testament forebears, Jews committed acts of terrorism, betrayal and genocide to carve out their independent state well within living memory and have continued to take such actions in the interest - if not name - of its defense, integrity and expansion.The context that Israel has fostered, however, is beyond odious. You are always the blameless victims who nonetheless step forward to defend themselves with great courage and prevail at the end. More to the point, it's the transparent hypocrisy of Israel that has engendered the "increasing anti-semitism" that is causing Jews everywhere to weep and gnash their teeth while doubling down and reinforce the feedback loop.On an interpersonal level, I generally do not care about the rest of the world and in particular I do not care about browns and yellows. Some Israelis getting stabbed registers for me in the same way as hearing that a bunch of Bangladeshi protestors got mowed down at a demonstration. However, my government has not been suborned by Bangladesh. While Bangladeshis dying violently has virtually zero impact on my life, Israelis dying violently impacts my life because purchased politicians have ensured that Israeli and American interests are inseparable. While I make no imposition on the personal consciences of my fellow countrymen, I want my government to give as few shits about dead Jews as I do about dead Bangledeshis and I resent interests that oppose this. I want my government to deal with Israel as it would deal with any other comparable state - belligerent, solipsistic and in possession of undeclared nuclear weapons.I would truly love to not be able to care about Israel in the same way that I don't care about Tajikistan but Israel has decided that that is a luxury which I am not entitled to and it is for this reason more than any other that my opinion of Israel and its advocates is dim and eternally darkening.
>>25076844>>25076893Why do you consistently spell antisemitism with an extra s? What's your angle here?
>>25087277AntiSSemitism, to allure to the SS. The concept of antissemitism can never be divorced from mass extermination.
>>25076885geeeeg>>25076844This book is 100% about Jews
>>25086318>You still haven't even contended with my claim that Jewish culture is fundamentally irreconcilable with our civilizational valuesWhat civilizational values? Before jews came along and gave you a parody of their religion, you were either tribes living in abject poverty or slaves to a poor neglectful empire. Jewish civilization civilized the West, much like Macedon "civilized" the East. You may not like to admit this, but there is no 'Western Civilization' anymore. Everywhere the traditions of the west came in conflict with the jewish civilization and religion, jewish civilization prevailed due to darwinian elements. England adapted to jewish civilization, and took over Ireland because Ireland maintained your precious Western civilization.People who try to separate western civilization from the jews are just engaging in historical and sociological revisionism for the intent of, you know what, doing another holocaust.Respectfully, friend, you are a book burner at worst and a historical revisionist at best.
>>25076844>According to them, jews are just a random target, and there is nothing they could have done or not done to stop thisIt would be much easier to believe this if not for the plethora of jews standing in lockstep with everything going wrong in the world. As Brother Nathaniel has said, you can simply choose to stop being a jew. The essence of their "religion" is spite for Jesus. Convert from the bottom of your heart, never commit evil again, and voila, your judaism is erased. If less than 30 million people did this, the world would become a better place. It's that simple. I don't ask for violence. I don't ask for hate. I simply ask that they stop this charade of pretending that they're hated for no apparent reason. I'd like the epithets of "blood libel" and "well poisoning" reversed so the evils of blood passover and the fact the black death was a mass murder on an unprecedented scale become recognized and the victims are finally allowed to know peace, but we can work on that over time.
>>25087863Unsaid in this book is that Martin Luther was promised riches by wealthy Jewish backers in connection with German elites to discredit the Church and split it apart. Only after he realized how badly he got swindled did he realize he'd been had and cry about it while leaving others to track the historical record and learn the real reason he wrote the book. Talk about an indulgence.
>>25087277Because he knows the real meaning of antisemitism, as coined by its jewish creator in the 19th century for the League of Antisemites, was extremely benign, meant as a positive term, and almost 1:1 with antizionism today. True antisemitism means criticizing Jews for acting stereotypically jewish, not for merely choosing to exist. It's about encouraging jews to be better people and use their extensive talents for purposes that don't involve, say, genocide such as in Palestine or sowing mass chaos such as in the West today. That's all antisemitism truly means.
>>25086017"Capitalism" was coined by Karl Marx. People have been trading with one another for thousands of years and it evolved naturally on its own. By trying to take credit for it you deliberately try to smear it.
>>25086729This has to be bait
>>25077218>Antiwhiteism is just an internet conspiracy theory by men who think that not having a girlfriend equals genocide.0/10 bait. I refuse to believe anyone can be so arrogantly deluded.
>>25077811>the fate of the jew is to fight alone until there is true global union under IsraelPax Judaica. Read it and weep goyim. This is why I always laugh when people cry about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion being a forgery as if that matters. Yes it was a forgery. It took pages straight out of The Dialogue in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu. But what difference does it make? Jews openly state their desire for domination whether through individual statements like this one above or through organized world Jewry.>>25088051>Unsaid in this book is that Martin Luther was promised riches by wealthy Jewish backers in connection with German elites to discredit the Church and split it apartEvidence?>>25087972>What civilizational values? Before jews came along and gave you a parody of their religion>Jewish civilization civilized the WestThe arrogance and falsehoods on display here is laughable. As if Europe didn't have a Greco-Roman civilization, a Teutonic history, a Pagan history. Now the Jews want to take credit for Western Civilization. Holy shit.
>>25077179The Rothschilds were boasting of having German princes in their pockets. I found this out from the normiest of historians: Niall Ferguson. Are you gonna tell me the court jews were acting against their own interest when it misaligned with that of the host nation? How often did that happen? What about Frankists?
>>25077263Europe fared pretty well without Enlightenment values or immigration for centuries. I really can't decide if the necessity of immigration is a lie as big as trannyism or greater.
>>25088256>Now the Jews want to take credit for Western Civilization. Holy shitIs that wrong?Choose one:>jews are behind everything that Western Civilization ever did>jews are not behind everythingI am just taking the conspiracy theories that the book criticizes to their (il)logical conclusion, that europeans and americans are doormats that can't tell up from down, and that jews are responsible for everything.
Wait, the Why Liberalism Failed thread gets deleted but this one stays up?Why?
>>25088660when leftists get btfo they report the thread
>>25088660Retared chud was having a melty. Just kept bitching and moaning contributing nothing.Instead of kicking him janny just deleted the whole thing. >>25088666In no way, Satan.
Almost convinced this is a very elaborate troll of some kind or something. Anywho this is by far the worst thread about Adorno I've seen on this board so far, I feel like the poor old guy would literally empty a charger directly into his head if he had to read literally any of this.
>>25088658>>jews are behind everything that Western Civilization ever did, Is that wrong?Again, Europe has a Greco-Roman history. It has a pagan history; the Teutons, the Norse, the Iberians, the Celts, etc. The fact that Jews would even try to take credit for this is ridiculous. The hack neocon Josh Hammer wrote a book about this absurd false premise. It's a very popular talking point with the Israel supporting crowd.>I am just taking the conspiracy theories that the book criticizes to their (il)logical conclusionThe book is simply a fictionalized tale of the Jew's evolutionary group strategy against their host nations. That's it.
>>25077549>colonizingThe muslims colonized that whole region, only Arabia belongs to them.
>>25076844The pogrom is gonna be global.
>>25088279Everybody's strangely quiet about this.
>>25077341>Zionist Communists still existThey don't exist. Zionism is nationalism. They're literal fascists and Jewish supremacists.
