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First for Alys Karstark

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>>25086872
I've never seen fanart that depicts the characters in the way that I see them in my head. And the tv show made it so that 90% of what other people draw looks like the actors.

picrelated is how I see Arya. A very pretty boy that looks like her brothers. Less pouty lips and grey eyes obviously but it's otherwise very accurate to what imagine Arya to look like.

>>25085644
Cersei getting mad and suspecting that Marge was fucking Loras because she and Loras looked alike was peak fiction

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N + L = J + A

>>25086872
My boy griff going to take back the throne

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>>25087040
>a blackfyre supporter

>>25086950
Honestly a timeskipped Arya would be so fucking good.

It's been established many times in the books that Arya looked almost exactly like Lyanna when the latter was the same age, and Lyanna grew up to be one of the most beautiful noblewomen in westeros; the classic ugly duckling -> beautiful swan story

Imagining grown Arya as the hot deadly assassin princess is pretty fucking cool tbvh. Nobody would recognize her, and for the Jaryafags, Jon himself would probably be turned on by her before realizing that's his beloved baby sister, kinda like Theon and Asha.

Most of all, Sansa would probably be eating all the "horseface" insults she gave Arya when they were younger. Catelyn was always mogged by Lyanna, and Sansa is as much a spitting image of their mother as Arya is of their aunt. PLUS, with Arya's androgynously hot looks she might even have a bicurious crush on the new Arya without knowing it was her, oh the shame she'll feel when she finds out it's just ol' "horsefaced Arya".

Fuck George for not doing the timeskip man. I NEED the CATHARSIS a timeskipped Arya would bring. And also because if he did the timeskip we would've gotten Winds by 2019 or something.

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>>25086872

>>25087079
gods, the things i would do for an asoiaf open world game

>>25087076
he hasn't forgotten that Arya is beautiful he sprinkles it in here and there. Winds and Spring are when she's supposed to be coming into womanhood and using her looks a bit more.

>Someday I will die, and I hope you're right and it's thirty years from now. When that happens, maybe my heirs will decide to publish a book of fragments and deleted chapters, and you'll all get to read about Tyrion's meeting with the Shrouded Lord. It's a swell, spooky, evocative chapter, but you won't read it in DANCE. It took me down a road I decided I did not want to travel, so I went back and ripped it out. So, unless I change my mind again, it's going the way of the draft of LORD OF THE RINGS where Tolkien has Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin reach the Prancing Pony and meet... a weatherbeaten old hobbit ranger named "Trotter."...I will now get a bunch of letters from those who want to read this deleted chapter. (No. Thank you, but no). -SSM 2007

>There's this Tyrion chapter that drove me crazy all through the decade, it seemed, that I worked on, on Dance with Dragons. That was precursor for Feast for Crows where I kept putting it in and taking it out and putting it in then taking it out. And then I put it in as a dream sequence and I took it out. Then, I made it a series of recurring dreams, each one going slightly further. So I put it in seven chapters. And then I took it out of those seven chapters. It's one of those chapters that I think is, by itself, is a terrific chapter. I liked the way it came together. It's vivid. It's kind of spooky. It's got some really great visual imagery in it and it leads me absolutely down a dead end, where if I take that path I'm stuck on a detour and so, I had to take it out. That chapter I may, I don't know, publish at some point down the road. -SSM 2011

>...there's at least one deleted chapter from book five – which left me in the wrong place – which I have been tempted to publish as a sort of short story." -SSM 2014

>any possibility of releasing the deleted Tyrion chapter in DANCE (where he met the Shrouded Lord) in the near future? In the Guardian Interview of 2014, you said you have been tempted to publish it as a novella. Have you decided to publish it? It won’t spoil WINDS and we will certainly enjoy it!

>I will need to do something with that chapter one of these days… but just what, I don’t know. - GRRM (2018)

>“I wrote a Tyrion chapter I just loved,” he recalls. “Then I looked at it and said: ‘I can’t do this, it will change the whole book. I’ll make this into a series of dreams. No! That doesn’t work either …'” - GRRM (2025)

What the fuck is in this one chapter and why does he keep edging us?

>>25087076
>I NEED the CATHARSIS a timeskipped Arya would bring
tits or gtfo
no we don't care that you're a spiteful ugly femcel
you know the rules

>>25087105
I think there's a couple of things, but you quoted what one of them is. Tyrion meets a god, the Shrouded Lord. I don't think George wants any of his characters to meet god, the magic/religion isn't supposed to be literally fleshed out. Among other issues, all it does is create more questions for the readers and ruins any agency the characters seem to have.

>>25087105
honestly yeah, how can one chapter potentially derail an entire story?

>>25087113
But Jon is going to have to confront The Great Other by the end of Winds or during Dream, who is a god. And Bran will probably meet the Old Gods sooner or later. So what gives?

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>>25087113
>Tyrion meets a god, the Shrouded Lord
the fuck? so there's just a god wandering around in the middle of buttfuck nowhere?

>>25086950
Arya doesn't look like a model anon. Arya is despicted as boyish not in the cute way.

>>25087122
>the middle of buttfuck nowhere
He would have met him while he was sailing the Rhoyne with Young Griff and company. It's why I said a couple of things, I think George really loves the idea of Tyrion having this spooky experience so he wrote two versions of it, maybe this most recent version is a different god since Tyrion is on land currently in Meereen heading toward Dany.
>>25087121
idk about Jon meeting The great Other. But I think the prevailing theory is that The Old Gods are just a collective consciousness of greenseers. The magic that greenseers perform is less miracle like and more on the clairvoyant/fortune teller side of things.

>>25087125
Arya is supposed to be twin to her smoking hot aunt anon. That picture I posted is what I think she currently would look like while training with the Faceless Men. Her teacher, the kindly man, does call her beautiful. Like I said the lips are less pouty in my head but Arya is not supposed to look like a little goblin, everyone draws her as a little goblin. Even Gendry was trying to bang her and she had no hair then.

>>25087125
>t. showfag who didnt read the books

>Now two children danced across the godswood, hooting at one another as they dueled with broken branches. The girl was the older and taller of the two. Arya! Bran thought eagerly, as he watched her leap up onto a rock and cut at the boy. But that couldn’t be right. If the girl was Arya, the boy was Bran himself, and he had never worn his hair so long. And Arya never beat me playing swords, the way that girl is beating him. She slashed the boy across his thigh, so hard that his leg went out from under him and he fell into the pool and began to splash and shout. “You be quiet, stupid,” the girl said, tossing her own branch aside. “It’s just water. Do you want Old Nan to hear and run tell Father?” She knelt and pulled her brother from the pool, but before she got him out again, the two of them were gone.

>After that the glimpses came faster and faster, till Bran was feeling lost and dizzy. He saw no more of his father, nor the girl who looked like Arya

Arya looks exactly like Lyanna, who was very plain looking during her childhood but matured into one of the most beautiful women in Westeros.

Maisie Williams was just kinda fugly throughout so I understand how your perception is skewed.

>>25087189
>bullied by your sleeper-hot tomboy imouto during your childhood
>married one of the hottest redheads in the realm during your adulthood
>had sex with your hot redhead wife so many times you have 5 children with her, and she still wants to make a 6th with you
>one of your son's becomes an omniscient tree-demigod who will become King in the end
>your foster son, who is your nephew, who is also the son of your sleeper-hot tomboy imouto, is the Chosen One of your universe
>after your death, everyone still remembers you very fondly

Ned Stark is truly the luckiest gigachad in all of Westerosi history, and I'm tired of showfags thinking he's just some "honorable fool who died early".

>>25087202
Ned Stark is so joyless he didn’t enjoy having sex with her at all i bet

>>25087209
She was his older brother's girlfriend, he had to deal with sloppy seconds.
All Ned wanted to do was go on adventures with Robert and bang hot Stony Dornishwomen with purple eyes. He didn't care about Cat, he did his duty, which is why it didn't even matter that she was pissed about him bringing Jon to Winterfell and raising him alongside the rest of the kids.

>>25087222
>didnt care what his hot redhead wife thinks
>only fucks her because of duty
>she still loves him to death anyways because he's so honorable
HOLY GIGACHAD

>>25087229
>GIGACHAD
It's kind of funny how other characters see Ned, they do think of him as a gigachad. We get his pov chapters so he's less chad and more dad in those, but a lot of the other characters see young Ned as the as an icy grim reaper figure.

>>25087236
In the north they think he’s cool literally everyone else thinks hes the dour lord of a frozen waste and all northmen and rustic bumpkins

>>25087238
>the dour lord of a frozen waste and all northmen and rustic bumpkins
The lords in the red keep think that. Young Ned fought the king's guard and won, pulled the tower they were in down over their heads, rode back to King's Landing and claimed the throne for his buddy. Then the Iron Islands tried to rebel so he sailed over killed all the male children but kept one as a slave for good measure lol. Which gave him a stellar reputation in the other six kingdom. In Dorn the Daynes name their kids after him because he was a complete badass and returned their family's sword after killing their most famous warrior lol. And yeah, Robb is afraid of the other Northern Lords but they were afraid of Ned so he was pretty gigachad.

>>25087122
no, the shrouded lord is never referred to as a god, he's just some weird guy (if he's real at all)

>>25087330
I had to go back and read it. One character gossips that he's "just some guy" and there were multiple Shrouded Lords but in every other bit of text they clearly talk about him as if he's a magical, mythological, or god like. Tyrion clearly thinks he's god like. Not a man.

>>25086872
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and winter is coming and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

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>>25087105
It's the one after Tyrion falls in the water at the Sorrows.
It ends on a cliff note, with almost nothing changing in the next Tyrion chapter, except that Jon has now graysclae and Tyrion doesn't.

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how will george make their romance work without it looking like jon is getting daarios second slops ?
if he wanted a cute romance why make dany such a whore ?

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>You are a targ king during the first 100 years after the death of the dragons.

How do you ensure that your descendants doesn't get murderfucked some day in the future when the lords of the realm notice that they have more power than them?

I would:

>Ban the inbreeding and turn marriage alliances into the house policy
Ideally with lannisters, arryns, and baratheons. You'd want at least one of these three kingdoms on your side as they are geographically closer and the lord paramounts have more prestige among their subjects than the tyrells and tullys.

>Build a fleet and turn King's Landing into the biggest naval power of the continent
A fleet is easier to mantain than a regular army, and more useful in peacetime. You can control commerce in the narrow sea. You can make the North dependant of that commerce and blockade White Harbor if they rebel. You can move armies quickly. You can threaten Sunspear. If King's Landing is sieged it will easier to defend if you control the sea.

>Don't annex Dorne
That desert brings more problems (blackfyre rebellion) than profit. And the dornish are more useful as a foreign enemy to unite the realm against that as an ally.

>Expand the crownlands
Needless to explain.

i fucking hate 90% of this series' fanbase

bunch of "muh nothing matters dude, being evil is cool/based" unless you're racist or sexist or whatever-ist then suddenly everything matters when it comes to that

poser "nihilistic" hypocritical basedllennial starbucks lattesipping faggots like these are the worst to share a fandom with

i bet most people who posts in these threads are exactly like i described.

>>25087955
>bunch of "muh nothing matters dude, being evil is cool/based" unless you're racist or sexist or whatever-ist then suddenly everything matters when it comes to that
People engage with fantasy media for purposes of escapism. If they are dealing with racism and sexism or other discriminating behaviors irl they are less likely to find it entertaining or interesting in an area of their life where they go to relax.

I don't really care about people writing racist or sexist characters but sometimes authors are really hamfisted about it. Yeah this guy is the antagonist of the story, a real bad hombre, he kicked the protagonist's ass two chapter ago and oh yeah he beats his girl friend and doesn't like black people, just in case you were thinking this guy is cool. It's really weak writing.

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>>25086872
Should have used the new GURM's picture for the OP

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>>25087202
>be a dumbass
>get your head chopped off
>Ned Stark is truly the luckiest

>>25087052
no evidence he's a blackfyre

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>>25087741
>daarios second slops
Dany may no longer have her anal virginity, but I don't think she's taken the knot before

>>25087915
Have 20 kids with my hot sister wife and give every single one a castle
Simple as

>>25088318
every crusader kangz player knows this is a recipe for disaster

>>25088313
is it confirmed she gave up her ass to daario ?

Which asoiaf girl has the puffiest pudenda?

>>25088191
You don't understand the books.

>Jaime is canonically 6'6" tall
>so is Robert
Could Jaime solo Robert in a fight?

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>>25089195
Brienne and Robert are 6'6"
Jaime is shorter.

>>25089195
Both at their peak? No. Gods he was strong then...

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>Roose has no feelings, you see. Those leeches that he loves so well sucked all the passions out of him years ago. He does not love, he does not hate, he does not grieve. This is a game to him, mildly diverting. Some men hunt, some hawk, some tumble dice. Roose plays with men. You and me, these Freys, Lord Manderly, his plump new wife, even his bastard, we are but his playthings

Damn Roose is literally me fr fr NO CAP

>Jaime and Lysa almost got married

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>>25087915
>Ban the inbreeding
Immediately die out and get usurped by some barbarian retard

The actual reason they had a touch of madness later on is because they started to outbreed with westarosi which gave them genetic retardation
hence why later generations could no longer breed dragons. Their cum is literally special magic and when the cum goes from pure incest Valyrian stock into some common Dornish wench and produces a bastard retard that also calls itself "Valyrian" that's when you start to have problems

The Valerians of old never had a problem with incest for many thousands of years. But suddenly in Westaros they're producing mad kings and children and their dragons dying out?

Maegor really fucked this entire thing up with his half breeds
And Viserys sealed the noose around the house forever
50 years later All the Dragons died

Good Job Fat Fuck
Really had to get your dick wet

>>25089195
Yes. Jaime is proof that outbreeding gave the Targaryens stronger descendants unlike what >>25089305 thinks.
Rhaella's son got wrecked by Robert, Joanna's son can beat Aragorn and Rand Al'Thor while blindfolded or whatever it is GRRM says

>>25089332
Magic > Being Big and a good swordsman

>>25089342
Jaime beats THE magic swordsman from WoT.
GRRM wrote it which makes it canon until he withdraws it. This is absolute.

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how much food porn will be in Winds if it ever comes out?

>>25089396
those crunchy roasted onions George describes always have me feeling some type of way

>>25087741
Dany's already had sex with three men. Is George really going to ship her with a fourth?
I think Daario is the Mount to Dread and the one who'll stab her in the books

>>25089466
>Dany's already had sex with three men.
Ser Jorah crying in the car

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>>25089456
For me it's snails in honey and garlic.

>>25089527
GRRM profusely describes the appearance and abundance of foods, but never the taste. Curious.

>The Valerians of old never had a problem with incest for many thousands of years. But suddenly in Westaros they're producing mad kings and children and their dragons dying out?
The non-Targ dragonlords can be counted on one hand, and we have no idea what kind of people they were beyond their incest, wealth, and dragonriding. I'm not even going to dignify the drivel and conjecture with a (You).

The extinction of dragons was abrupt. Twenty dragons lived in 129, and by 131 there were only four. The last dragon only lived long enough to lay inert eggs, and died in 153. Archmaester Marwyn insists the maesters killed the dragons through the removal of magic. Seeing as Marwyn is not stripped of his chain nor exiled for his narrative, it's highly probable the maesters cannot deny Marwyn's assessment.

Aerys was the only deranged Targaryen king. The only other Targaryen of any position that could be interpreted as psychologically incapacitated is Rhaegal, brother to Aerys I and Maekar I. Many Targaryen kings were eccentric, but they still conformed to common human behaviors like hubris, cruelty, and hedonism.

This idea that Targaryen blood-thinning goes hand-in-hand with their madness, and extinction of dragons, is rubbish.

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>>25087094
I'm sorry anon, but Mount and Blade mods are the closest you'll get. Maybe Skyrim has some too.

>>25087094
>>25089788
We should petition to Georgie and WB, blending ASOIAF games with the mechanics of the Nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor/War. Let’s unpack it a bit and sketch how such a scenario could be core setup.

>Isekai Viserys III: Instead of the tragic, bitter prince, you reimagine him (or her, in your twist) as transported into a Nemesis-style world where rivalries, betrayals, and procedurally generated enemies shape the narrative. Prologue shows him as squire of black hearts.
>Female counterpart of Viserys in Dorne: This adds a cultural and political twist. Dorne’s traditions of gender equality and independence could give her more agency than the original Viserys ever had. Training under legendary white bull of the kingguards.
>Starting in Pentos: A perfect launch point — a free city with mercantile wealth, political intrigue, and connections to both Essos and Westeros.
>Founding a city in the Axe Peninsula: That’s bold. The Axe (between the Rhoyne and the Gulf of Grief) is rugged and contested, so founding a city there would immediately trigger Nemesis-style rivalries with local tribes, pirates, and rival houses.

>>25088258
Correct, he was brightflame candidate or longwaters bastardized option

The Ghost of High Heart vs The Mountain

Who wins?

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You now remember Daenero.

>>25089971
i blame HOTD's black velaryons
they gave this nigga delusions he could be a valyrian, sad!

>>25089466
It makes no sense to be daario
Her relationship with him is just sex and she pretty much moves on by leaving him behind by the end of ADWD, if dany is going to get stabbed by anyone in the book it'll definitely be jon just like the show

>>25089994
It was actually the whole Slavers Bay arc that did it

>>25090190
what you mean ?

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>>25089396

George R.R. Martin you stupid fucking nigger should have gone with the timeskip anyway so that we would've been done with this series now. Maybe would have been worse but at least we wouldn't have to think about anymore like we do now, constantly being drip fed with small news and information fuck you.

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>>25090416
the only updates he gives are"I promise guys it's definitely closer to being finished please stop calling me a fat retard incapable of following through I swear just a little longer." I hope he cries his obese lardass to sleep every night from people being so horribly mean to him after waiting fourteen fucking years for the SECOND to last book in his setting, nevermind the actual finish. Fuck Martin, and fuck whatever ending he had planned - if he doesn't give enough of a shit to even get to it, why should I?

>>25089466
Jon and Dany are each other's endgame couples, that's plain obvious
But how George is going to make it work in only two books I have no idea

>>25090416
>we would've been done with this series now
lol, lmao even