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>>25122137
>Tad Williams
To me he's like Guy Gavriel Kay in a sense that his best works are 20-30 years old at this point so people just overlook them.

where can i read dcc for free like the niggerjew i am

>>25122479
we've live to see an age where good covers have become exclusively a limited edition thing

How do I into fantasy, just read LOTR and go from there?

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Just started Sword of the Lictor
God I'm so fucking BORED
It feels like a load of gratuitous world building with no purpose
I'm not even a plotfag but I'm two books in, something should have happened by now
Severian has no agency, he has no wants or plans, he's barely even a character
>love muh sword
>love muh magic gem
>love muh mentally ill gf
>simple as
Does it all start coming together at some point? Does all the time spent on Dr Talos and the play ever matter? What happened at the end of Claw, with the witches connecting with the shaman through mental time travel, is that going to be important? Throw me a fucking lifeline, please.

>>25122528
>luv me torture

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>>25122528
Read something better instead of /lit/ manchildren's sacred cow

>>25122530
He literally has barely even done any torturing. I think he's tortured one entire person on his whole journey to Thrax.

>>25122538
They're all kino though, including all books of the Solar Cycle

>and then it came upon my eyes
>that ephemeral darkness
>i saw The Shadow of the Torturer
Are you fucking serious

>>25122548
I had fun reading 'em. Might start a reread soon.

>>25122552
KINO

>>25122527
Start with the Hobbit. Proceed to LotR. If you want more read The Silmarillion. Read Robert E. Howard, preferably Conan or Kull. From here you can proceed to more niche classics like Dunsany or go on to modern stuff.

Bakkerfag > "manchild lit" goddamnmotherfuckniggersuckinghomofaggot

>>25122528
The Book of the New Sun doesn't make sense until you finish it. I know, I know, you're expecting an epic adventure through a sci-fi world. Think of it this way: BotNS is a memoir of a very exceptional individual. Things don't happen because they're supposed to be exciting, they happen because that's what happened in Severian's life and because they led him to become who he is at the end.

>nooooo you dont get it, its SUPPOSED to be boring!

>>25122538
>>25122548
>>25122905
keep seething

God, what a bore this place is today.

Wake me up when it's filled with yellow-tinted Bakker screenshots accompanied by amphetamine-fueled rants again.

>>25122909
Grow up, manchild.

>>25122922
It's going to be yet another normalfag containment thread where Bakkershit is spammed, and newfags piss themselves when other people don't put their single favorite author and series on a pedestal.

>>25122925
Why?

>>25122925
>angry BotnS is not an epic fantasy story about powerlevels and laser guns
>calls others manchilds
kek

>>25122480
Anyways where the FUCK is red god

>>25122927
And BotNS newfags bickering amongst each other. Big fucking surprise.

I didn't mean to reply to you but just try imagining what a book called Dungeon Crawler Carl is about and that's pretty close to the actual book and it's totally free

>>25122480
Any shadow library like libgen or annas-archives.

>>25122950
Pierce isn't finished, at 1200 pages it doesn't have all the Atalantia/Lysander rape scenes it needs
But seriously he needs to drop the adaptation shit and finish the book, he's too young to be turning into George RR "three shows since my last book" Martin

>only other author RRfag has read is Martin
LOL

>>25122900
Nta but I enjoyed the prose enough that the pace didn't bother me. (And the pace was never really an issue; BotNS is shorter than two books of any given epic sff series nowadays.) It's replete with memorable scenes and really captures a mythic, mystical vibe while offering explanations for those who engage more deeply with the text. BotNS ability to work on multiple levels is part of why it's /sffg/core.

>>25122963
I've never read Martin, faggot. I'm reading Hour of the Dragon currently.

>>25122479
I hate that I cant get these editions anymore

>>25122971
>could have chosen anybody in the world to compare your favorite author to
>chose your other favorite author
LOL

>>25122962
1200 pages implies to me he isn't *that* far off from being finished even if its just manuscript pages I can't imagine it'd be more than say 1500 total by the end

>>25122976
Yes but also he said the book would be out last year
Instead we're looking at 2027, and I intend to blame his media negotiations and The Book of Lorn (which nobody read) for this

>>25122479
all the best books are 20-30 years old so it's fine.

I do feel bad for Tad because he's probably had to work way harder and longer than all the authors that have benefited from his own work, but not much I can personally do about it

>>25122137
Why?

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/889395/ai-agents-unmask-anonymous-online-accounts

It's only a matter of time before AI can link everything you've ever done online, including every 4chan post you've made, and even the activity you've had on even less reputable sites.

>>25122946
Because if you're over the age of eighteen you shouldn't be pretending genre fiction is on the level of proust
>>25122947
BOTNS is literally a manchild epic fantasy story about powerlevels that manchildren like you pretend is literary fiction
Grow up

>>25122528
It's picaresque. He has an assignment at the prison, but he leaves because he has to go north somewhere else and he meets a lot of curious characters and circumstances along the way.

>>25123051
pretty funny this article requires your account and credit card number to be read

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Horse.

>>25123061
Skill issue

>>25123069
not what that term means

>>25123075
It is. All you have to do is disable JavaScript.

>>25122528
So it's comfy.

>>25122476
Should i read Black Company? I don't care about world building and Magic systems i care about a good plot and good characters
Also what are some books with pale evil ladies like the one in the OP?

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Why is half of The Name of the Wind just Dinna cucking Kvothe? Is that the authors fetish?

>>25123086
That's only applicable if you have a far more expansive definition of what cucking means than what it usually does.

What is the best dinosaur story?

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I tried to read this but it didn't work out. It's far more difficult for me to find short fantasy stories that I enjoy than science or speculative fiction. The biggest problem for me though was that this also isn't the sort that I enjoy in general, but I keep trying anyway. This 2025 anthology published by Baen asserts that it's part of the Sword & Sorcery revival movement, so it may be of interest for those who want that. As per the title it focuses on heists and capers. It includes a story by Christopher Ruocchio, which may be enough by itself for some.

>>25122479
Tad Williams is goated. His most recent series is very good, though, the first book I admit is a bit of a slog. It also feels a lot more modern and has some slight feminism seeping into it but it's still better than 95% of his contemporaries.

>>25122986
I admire Tad’s work ethic and the fact that he’s carved out a niche audience that still supports him but I do think he deserves more.

>>25123215
So his books are comfy?

>>25123217
Imo, yes they are. Tad takes his time and lets you get into the slice of life aspect of his world while also making it relevant to the action and plot around it.

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I recently read pic related and I can't say much about it without giving it all away because the story was only 30 some pages. A fun tale about an immortal who learns that the chains of prophecy are not wound as tight as he believed.

Before that I finished the Sister Alice books; five stories about genetically-engineered/cloned Families with the ability to manipulate matter -- usually through terraforming planets and systems. Some select older more powerful members of these Families attempt to give everybody their own universe and use their galactic black hole as a prototype bridge between universes, which causes a big ol' oopsy-woopsy fucky-wucky. Reminded me of a Dick story because you have this grandiose background setting and the story is wholly focused on the characters.

I finished DCC 8 and I'm back to my midway read of Magic the Gathering: Arena. I have the Ravnica and Guildpact books from when I was a teen. I might reread those afterward because the Ravnica block was the only block I ever played. Do you have any experience with MtG books to share?

>>25123163
The Fog Horn by Ray Bradbury.

>>25123221
Excellent, thanks. I'm reading comfy fantasy and I want more.

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>>25122476
Anyone here ever read pic related? It’s called The Last Dragon Chronicles and I’ve only ever heard one other anon recommend because despite supposedly being a children’s series it gets pretty esoteric and complex. But the reason I bought the first two books was because when I was 11 years old I talked my book club into reading what I didn’t know was the third book in this series because I saw a dragon on the cover. Needlessto say we were beyond confused and hated it. Now nearly 20years later I’m gonna actually read it. Let’s see how it goes

>>25123228
>Do you have any experience with MtG books to share?
I read almost all of the ones published from 1994-2008, which is 53 it seems. I may eventually try to read the one Brandon Sanderson wrote, just to see what he did with it.

>>25123250
It's been almost literally decades since I lasted look at the novels. Apparently they basically gave up publishing novels after that. That almost makes me want to read the last few that were published afterwards just to say that I read them all.

>>25123217
EXTREMELY comfy.

His Osten Ard series can best be described as a take on D&D stories and ideas, but by an extremely talented writer instead of a shitty hack.

You have companions hunting for artifacts, delving into ruins and exploring dark forests, going on quests and uncovering secrets, and each day ends around around a campfire as they roast rabbit and share their stories. It's beautiful stuff.

If you've ever read a Forgotten Realms book as an adult you've probably thought something to the effect of "this isn't nearly as magical and exciting as I remember". What Tad Williams writes actually DOES feel like you what remember as a kid.

>>25122479
Thoughts on which series I should read? I was thinking Otherland but apparently the lead character is a woman? Don’t like that. Those covers look cool but apparently his pacing is very slow…

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Holy flipping KINO
What other books hit like this?
Someone said Malazan, but so far (6 books in) they're honestly very different.

>>25123281
The Holy Bible

>>25123276
> apparently the lead character is a woman
There's no single lead character. There are multiple PoVs.
> apparently his pacing is very slow…
If you've read any of his other books you'll know what to expect. The man is "verbose".

>>25123250
Sooooo... did any stand out?

>>25123292
That's actually pretty good.

>>25123250
Its BS. No erotica. Lots of banter to make parasocial bonds with characters he sells you. Addictive dopamine loops of predicting cliches.

>>25122479
But Last King of Osten Ard just finished a couple years ago?

so many times i was promised a "masterpiece", "modern classic", "must-read" recently, only to be then hit over the head by the unholy trifecta of generic RPG setting, reddit millenial dialogue and bloated filler arcs

>>25123344
Who exactly are you describing here? Sanderson fits the latter part of your sentence, but nobody - not even his own fans - would call his writing a "masterpiece" or "modern classic"

>>25123351
>nobody - not even his own fans -
Or the publisher who wants to sell millions of copies?

When did American SF become simply Americana?

read botns loved it
read prince of nothing series loved it even more

where do I go now?

Ikurei Conphas brings me a lot of joy
he was such a based autist even a Dûnyain couldn't fully affect him

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>>25123276
>Renie Sulaweyo, a teacher in the South Africa
There seems to be a more pressing issue.

>>25123390
>where do I go now?
Complete the solar cycle with book of the long sun and book of the short sun.

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>>25123391
>scared of women
>scared of Africans
Modem men are so worthless.

>>25123367
When PKD started writing kek

>>25123344
Name 1 (one)

>>25123363
well obviously i don't care about what marketing copy says. who does?

>>25123276
>I was thinking Otherland but apparently the lead character is a woman? Don’t like that.
it's weird to realize people like you actually exist outside of strawman arguments

anon, you're just trying to fit in here, right? you don't *actually* care about this sort of shit, right??

>>25123403
Boys, not men. It's the 4chan equivalent of 2nd graders on the playground telling each other how lame Barbies are.

>>25123429
>well obviously i don't care about what marketing copy says. who does?
The publisher who wants to sell millions of copies.

>>25122972
they are on ebay. I bought mine for only $5000000

>>25123440
I think you've lost the thread of the conversation.

Nobody is disputing that marketing blurbs contain buzzwords and exaggerations. However, anon seems to be describing a very specific situation of mismatched expectations, and it's not one that rings any bells for me and probably other people.

>>25123351
>all of <megapopular author's> fans read his works ironically
lol

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>>25123472
They read the books sincerely, and enjoy them, maybe even love them, but words like "masterpiece" and "modern classic" have specific meanings and represent specific accomplishments.

They're terms reserved for a select few books, and I don't see even diehard fans of <megapopular author> throwing them around, at least without major push back.

>>25122980
Red Rising is getting an adaptation? Or some other shit?

>>25123083
bumping in hopes this guy gets his question answered. Im mildly curious too, less about black company and more about books that actually care about most of what makes human life and existence, which all books are predicate on meaningful: characters and the progression of their lives.

>>25123477
How many results for GRRM?

>>25123281
>Holy flipping KINO
I'm being baited into not giving up after Thousandfold Thought so that people can continue to laugh at the rants aren't I?

I'd need a Bakker critici to convince me everything wrong with Prince of Nothing is remedied or worth it in Aspect Emperor

>>25123281
>>25123489
Same poster btw

>>25123304
It's been almost 20 years since I've read any. I can't say how they'd hold up now. The only two that I'd recommend at this point are The Brothers' War and The Thran. A lot of the earlier ones are fine. The earliest 10 before they were doing sustained plots weren't good to be. The latter ones weren't either.

You can look here for my the estimated ratings I gave at the time, but I don't stand by them. The read dates can be ignored because they're only estimates to have them dated and it defaults to Jan if only the year is entered.
https://www.goodreads.com/review/list/105024683?order=a&ref=nav_mybooks&shelf=4magic-the-gathering&sort=date_pub

>>25123490
Wtf are you talking about? I literally haven't read Thousandfold thought in days because I dread it, and have frequently said I will likely quit the series once I'm done with it. Its not even typical of me to post the cover of a book and use words like "kino". When I enter this thread. I am serious (mostly) about literary criticism, not casual enough to leave a judgement at "kino"

>>25123482
Supposedly PB has been in talks with streaming companies. Idk where things stand atm.

>>25123492
>trying to do literary criticism with slop
It's worse than I thought.

>>25123491
>for the first time since /sffg/ I am actually using Yev's reviews
I knew you were good for something.

>>25123270
Well said and I hadn’t thought about Osten Ard that way. And what you say about feeling excited as an adult through how he presents the magic of the world is true. I first read MS&T when I was 25 or something like that and it still really struck a chord with my inner kid, even after being well read.

Just as a fun fact, it’s my understanding that Osten Ard is supposed to be the mythical eastern land that was supposedly Prester John’s domain in our real world myths about him.

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>>25123434
Holy redditors. Please go back and stop fagging up this already fagged up board

I'm glad Demon in White starts off a bit faster than the previous two books.

Any recs featuring necromancers? Reading the Devils and love Balthazar

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>>25123429
Nigger worship makes everything worse. Imagine not being able to escape them even in your wildest fantasy.

>>25123541
>not being able to escape them even in your wildest fantasy
Worthless, I tell you.

Ok while I have AA up and my ereader plugged in, rec me some random shit. It must be entertaining/interesting.

>>25123083
If you want good plot and characters you're gonna have a bad time with The Black Company

>>25123499
Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

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More books like this that mixes medieval settings with sci-fi elements? I already read most of Wolfe and Vance works aswell btw.

>>25123666
Morgaine Cycle by CJ Cherryh

>>25123666
is this shit good? and why?

>>25123541
What do you think the word "worship" means, in this context?

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>>25123748
Giving them more credit than they deserve and writing them on the same level as the human races.

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Epic start to the chapter.
Bakker is truly a master of prose, I'm not even joking about that atleast.

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Oh Man, I thought it'd just be one page.

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Kek, it all comes full circle, was this his master plan of writing?
Esmenet "Cucked" by the Gnosis
This is the only way I can interpret this final paragraph to have any value or purpose.

>>25123769
That's an unusual definition that you'll find isn't shared by many. I suggest fixing your wounded brain before your delusions extend their grip on you further.

>>25123494
please be apple

>>25123666
Are the sequels good?

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Intense layered dialogue

>>25123666
There Will Be Dragons by John Ringo, but it’s the only good book out of the four he wrote in the series, and he never finished the series because he hasn’t finished anything since his first quadrilogy two decades ago.

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>>25123083
You should read David Gemmel’s work. His Troy series is his best, followed by the Rigante and the Drenai sagas. He’s my favourite writer of heroic fiction.

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>>25124174
the greatest since dune?

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Hilarious but also important. Why wont this pussy kill or depose of Cnauir other than for the contrivance of the story to require him?

>>25123777
What does the 'R' mean?

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I wonder what the point of the Inchoroi being depicted this way is. Is it just the classic Christian "lust without love is evil"?

>>25124199
Idk, it used to be squiggly lines instead. Its basically what appears prior to whenever theres either a change in perspective, or a change in event (time, location, etc.), even if the perspective is maintained.

>>25124184
It came out only 6 years after dune. Can you name a better fantasy novel from that time?
Also it's just marketing speech.

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It escapes me how one could convince themselves Bakker isn't a feminist. Only one who wishes to see what they want to see, one who doesn't engage with things but uses them. Could arrive at such a conclusion.

>>25124203
>Can you name a better fantasy novel from that time?
No. I was just prodding for a justification or elaboration.

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Interesting. Lets see if this actually changes anything. I'm not expecting the characters to suddenly become deep, especially Esmenet. But maybe some meaningful theme arises from arguably the 2nd most important and certainly prominent POV, realizing Kellhus is a fraud.

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Fuck, maybe Maithanet will be the saving grace of this book if Moenghus isnt.

I am already a tiny bit spoiled on what Maithanet is. At this point. I just dont like Kellhus at all with how he destroys character and thematic depth with his defactoness hold over the entire story.

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>>25124221
A-MOENGHUS

Reading Hyperion right now. Just finished the priest's story. Can anyone tell me if the book touches upon his story again and the origins/nature of the Bikura? Don't tell me what happens though, a simple yes or no is enough.

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>>25124221
Are you reading using ReadEra, anon?

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Just checked were I was, to get a gauge of how much progress im willing to make before I let myself sleep and....what the fuck, im way closer to the end than I thought. Is the Encyclopedia Part really that fucking long? Does this dude think anybody actually pays attention to remembering the random assortment of made up names, and details that are never actually relevant, the same way the prose of how he describes "grass knawing at ones sandles" is irrelevant?

I don't even want to summon the hardcore fans, but I must suppose that this is why his books are so bloated and take so long
>>25124263
Yes

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I never fail to dread the Esmenet chapters. Theyre never good. Never interesting, never deepening, always regurgitations of things already known, already understood. Because there is no character in this book. Only things to be affected and effect. I get his "philosophy"

What frustrates me. Is why, he wastes so much time then. Why he bothers to try and pretend that he is writing a person.

>>25123962
I liked the first three of that series, especially the second book with the naval dragon warfare. I thought he never finished the series because of his publisher though, at least that's what commentary seemed to have indicated.

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Nevermind. I guess I could imagine how a deranged enough feminist, could find him sexist.

>>25124273
Based fellow ReadEra fag.

>>25123055
>Stop liking what I don't like!
Compelling

>>25124257
Book 1 doesn't, however the nature of the cruciform is expanded on if you keep reading.

>>25124273
>I don't even want to summon the hardcore fans
We only have the one and it's likely your samefagging ass.

>>25123489
>everything wrong with Prince of Nothing is remedied or worth it in Aspect Emperor
uh, no
if what you're *not* enjoying is Kellhus mindraping the possibility of anyone else being a character into nothing, then that's pretty much the entire sequel quadrilogy
it's also way worse paced, the final two are barely edited to the point of having blatant spelling errors

I feel like there were way more Esmenet chapters too, but I haven't done a proper count
I mentioned this in an earlier post, but I'd still say the chapters specifically focusing on the Great Ordeal are worthwhile as just a portrayal of military campaigning, but overall my enjoyment of the series steadily declined with each subsequent book

>>25124288
Okay, thanks anon.

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I am once again reminding you to stop loving evil women. It is the natural order of things for evil women to be defeated, rebuked, punished, humiliated and killed. You will not have a happy ending with an evil woman. You will not fix an evil woman. You will not breed with an evil woman. Evil women are a dead end.
Yes, even Soulcatcher.

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>>25124273
>Is the Encyclopedia Part really that fucking long
it's even worse in the sequels, since the 3rd and 4th books were supposed to be one but Bakker split them, and so the 4th one kind of just randomly ends and dumps you into fucking wikipedia

>>25124306
Please discuss more evil women in sff than Soulcatcher/Lady. Yawn. And whatever "mean" girls are in WoT when they're mostly all mean.

>>25124310
Queen La from Tarzan was my introduction to the "hot evil woman falls in love with the hero" trope.

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>>25124310
You know who we never talk about? The Pale Woman from Tawny Man. She's petty and cruel with the best of them and takes a bath just to show herself off to Fitz. You'd think someone like her would be more popular here, but maybe it's because of how small her role is, she's hardly in the books. The whole plot with her and Kerbal Rawbread was so half-assed. But still, she fits the bill.

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Moenghus...somehow I'm surprised Kellhus finds him this soon. I mean, its been 500 pages, but still, I always had the impression that he'd be encountered on the very last pages

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So sleepy

>>25122528
>Just started
lol
lmao

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>>25122476
How is Instrumentality of Mankind series? It seems to be collections of stories in the same setting with only some being big enough to get their own proper releases.

Why are fantasy knights called Ser, with an E, these days? It wwas alway Sir

>>25124282
I’ve read he noticed a stark decline in sales from his usual level, and the notion that people didn’t really enjoy the series compared to his gun focused stuff took the wind out of his writing sails. Supposedly he’s very heavily “muse” focused as he calls it, and can’t bring himself to write something unless it’s pouring out of him already. I wish he would return to it, but I really didn’t enjoy the setting all that much once it got past being about infantry battles between LARPers in a post apocalyptic high science fiction world. I didn’t find the carrier stuff that enjoyable at all, and the space battle book I actually couldn’t finish on rereading. Bast was great though.

>>25124306
>evil women
pleonasm

>>25124557
Faddism.

>>25124189
>Why wont this pussy kill or depose of Cnauir other than for the contrivance of the story to require him?
This is actually made clear later, albeit much later.

>>25124557
Fat Fuck George popularized it

I want to kill myself.

>>25123477
That’s a good point despite Sandofags gushing about his endless works nonstop

>>25124203
>Can you name a better fantasy novel from that time?
Earthsea

>>25122528
How are you bouncing off Sword of all things? It's the best book in the series.

>>25124278
I dropped it during the esmet chapter where she learned to read. Absolutely painful and repetetive. I tried picking the book back up on the shitter, and started skimming her chapters. I don't think I missed much.

>>25123666
Lord of Light by Zelazny; it's ancient India rather than European middle ages, but makes up for it by being a terrific story.
Hard to be a God by brothers Strugatsky.
Also Deathworld 2 and 3 come to mind. They are more pulpy, but I enjoyed them a lot as a teenager.

>>25123707
It's THE classic space opera. Read it now.

>>25123865
Deepness in the Sky is not really a sequel (more of a prequel, but really not even that), and is great. Children of the Sky is forgettable.

>>25123228
AAAAAAAAAAAA ARENA DRAGS ON SO LONG
GET TO THE CONCLUSION ALREADY FFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK
I think the old guy thief sidekick who complains that he can't get his dick up and the MC doesn't even let him watch (when MC fucked a girl at one point in the story) is funny though but it DOESN'T CARRY THE REST OF THE STORY FUCK

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Start reading The Gap Cycle by Stephen R Donaldson right now.

>>25123707
>and why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvorCR-nbtA

>>25123682
>>25123962
>>25124174
>>25124211
>>25124897
Thank you!

>>25124514
It's definitely one of a kind, especially for a writer who started in the 50s. Read it without expecting too much conventionality, I did so and it was a mistake.

>>25124813
Read the classics before you take that decision.

GIVE GOYIM GIVE
https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-3-5-26-aint-no-pixels-in-my-scroll/

>>25124969
Which ones? I've read LotR

oh boy the bots are talking to each other again

Red God is currently over 1000 pages but it still isn't ready to be sent to the publisher.

>>25124942
Sell me on it

>>25124652
>albeit much later.
In the next trilogy? Oh boy don't fucking tell me its actually all part of a master plan, I will actually laugh out loud not out of derision, but out of respect for the fact that he thought he could even get away with that.

>>25125028
Very dark and gritty space opera with some excellent characters, Donaldson has a pretty neat idea of taking your traditional Hero, Villain and Victim and having them shift roles over the series (hero becomes the villain, victim the hero, and the villain the victim). The first book is more of a novella so it's not much of a time investment to check out, and the second book picks up right where it left off so you could also view them as a single story too. For the most part the conflicts are human centric but there are also aliens known as the Amnion that are grow in relevance to the plot as the series goes on.

>>25124869
>I don't think I missed much.
The person who told me shes not that important earlier couldnt have been more right, I didnt believe it, and even now, I still dont quite believe it, because its just stupid how much time is spent on her POV when she contributes absolutely nothing beyond replacing Serwe...except shes considered intelligent because the story TELLS YOU SO. Vs Serwe being considered dumb.

If this was a series with character depth, I'd understand the point. But it is not.

I think even Esmenet couldnt be defended by that retard that thinks Cnauir is deep because he saved a random woman with a child and upturned his expectations of Cnauir (making the "depth" of a character completely conditional one ones arbitrary presumptions about them rather than any actual complexity)

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>>25124998
1,000 hours in MS Paint.

>>25125028
Rape, lots of it.

>>25125125

Aesthetic get.

Cnauir is based because he rapes that dude. Best part of the book.

>>25125129
>Aesthetic get.
what?
>Cnauir is based
Lol I can understand...a certain type of person considering Cnauir based. But considering him "deep" because hes a complete incoherent mess of a person cursed with some semblance of self awareness but yet, still completely beholden to his passions (and delusions, like about Serwe)? Like every single other character in the story, nothing is actually done with his problems. Im not talking about "resolution" im talking about actually investigating them organically and getting to the bottom of what the fuck any of it means.

Cnauir is undoubtedly an interesting character because of how much of a mess he is, and because of how staunchly in opposition to Kellhus he is. But interest is cheap, it can be bought. Depth has to created and maintained (or revealed(mined)/found and maintained)

>>25125128
Any niggers?

>>25125028
>>25125117
>>25125128
The R in Stephen R. Donaldson stands for Rape after all

>>25125116
>In the next trilogy?
Quadrilogy
>don't fucking tell me its actually all part of a master plan
It's nothing like that, but you realize why it was that Kellhus didn't kill him. It's not because Kellhus has some giga 20+ year master plan behind keeping Cnaiur alive.

>>25125117
I'll give it a go

>>25125143
Oh you're a sick person.

>>25125173
ah, so that's why Bakker has an "R" in his name too...

>>25124942
What about The Great God's War, is it worth a read?

>>25125182
Well?

https://www.grimdarkmagazine.com/interview-with-author-christopher-buehlman/

>>25125319
>Blacktongue Thief sequel coming in october
Oh cool didn't catch that so I'm glad I skimmed the questions. Not reading the rest though because Buehlman always comes off as the most pretentious kind of twat irl

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>expect a fever dream cannibal fetus story
>get a chud experiencing every saga at once
Aramini is a HACK

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So whats the deal with Eleazaras anyway? Doesnt really feel like hes much of a character anyway, but has he just gone insane? I dont know what to take from this, whether im supposed to take the fact that his fellow sorcerer looks at him in horror, as evidence of this being uncharacteristic of him (doesn't really come across as that surprising really, I mean he levelled a library to catch and torture achamian) or...idk

>>25124942
I know this should be good, but for some reason I always drop the first book after the first chapter.

So much slop is posted in this general on the reg.

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Unfortunately I have a feeling Moenghus wont change my perspective on this series. And I say this while having none of the harsh criticism of Moenghus' dialogue as I do most of the dialogue post Darkness that comes before.

I just realized something with this string of dialogue. It goes even deeper than this book. Unfortunately I read a book too powerful, for me to ever tolerate these grand philosophical diatribes. Unfortunately my standard may forever be too high to tolerate this. In this case its not even Bakkers fault, lest I fault bakker for seemingly avoiding a particular side of philosophy. Because I cant fault him for not reading a specific type of philosopher, as hes fallen out of favour/popularity, for ending philosophy.

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Hilarious dialogue. He's got a way of ending paragraphs.

>>25124942
Why can I only get the ebook version of the first book?

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If the philosophy isnt interesting, atleast this contrast may be.

Why won't Lukan Gardova just shut his big mouth up? Half this book is him getting in trouble by insulting the people he needs help from.

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Cheap as baiting motherfucker. Dont tell me I have to wait till the Quadrology to figure what what the fuck this means, and how Kellhus figured out why he was summoned.

>>25125725
Does the mc get cucked?

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I'll have a fantasy novel, preferably a series, interesting setting that doesn't feel generic, some mystery elements, quality prose, interesting non-gamey magic, is on audiobook (well read), and thriller/consipiricy elements if possible. (no GoT, Malazan, First Law)

>>25125729
There's no romance in the book at all, so no.
So far he's gotten apprehended by various groups at least three times and he's run his mouth at all of them. One of them threatens to kick him out each time, so he shuts up at the last possible second, just to insult her again later.

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Can you teach me to draw conclusions from the book?
I'm a wolverine and I want sex.
Incorrect conclusion?

>>25125479
I listened to this on audiobook at work and got a raging erection when it was describing the way the giants impregnate human women.

>>25124557
That's how my nuncle said it

>>25125731
Mistborn. Clear prose are good prose.

>>25124942
>The Rape Cycle by Stephen Rape Donaldson

>>25125742
The fire elves are hotter

I'm reading the Gormenghast trilogy, and am about a third of the way through the second book. I'm not sure if I like Peake or not. On one hand, I like the characters and atmosphere, but on the other hand, I still think he spends too much time on what I will call "vibing and describing" - more than is really necessary. After the N-th description of lambent motes of sunlight striking mouldering castle or whatever, I can't help but think "Okay, Mervyn, I get it, can we move along a bit faster here?..."

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>>25123281
This is the most disappointing and genuinely worst fantasy series I've ever read. I would go so far as so say its the worst book series I've ever completed.

The original trilogy is mostly fine, gets a little old by the TTT. Aspect Emperor is genuinely unreadable; even ignoring glaring issues like shit prose and philosophizing there are actual spelling errors in my edition:

>And they shrieked as they had once shrieked, yowled at the floating specters who were there fathers
Should be "their". The editing in Aspect Emperor is so fucking bad that stuff like this slides. Another absurd moment is when Serwa fights a sexist dragon who goes "I can smell you aren't a virgin, but I personally love cunny anyway" and she responds with MCU tier dialogue. I hope everyone who recommended this series to me burns for all eternity in hell.

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Why is there no fantasy worldbuilding project with the same scope and depth as Orion's Arm? Are fantasy fans illiterate?

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I was today years old when I learned James S.A.Corey's middle name is actually Sexual Assault, who knew?

>>25125928
Its fucking unreal how repetitive the entire series is. If I have to read about "glittering geometries" and "The unholy ark" again ill kill someone.

>>25125928
Tell me how I knew this screenshot was from Bakker without even ever having ever read it, or read the post before. Kek. Im not going to spoil myself reading the rest of your post because im trying my hardest to keep a positive outlook on the series, as its nearly succesfully baited me with Kellhus going "I know da thousandfold thought father...i know everything and am more powerful than you..." epic, i just love how bakker can just say some bullshit in his stories and then post hoc justify it after the fact.

If somebody can prove that he foreshadowed this well enough. I will legit send them $50 dollars. Otherwise, I'm reading till the end of Thousandfold Thought and if im not satisfied, im spoiling myself.

I'm trying to understand how perception of time and spacing of events works across civilization in sun eater. In howling dark, Hadrian and his crew are sent on a mission to find some missing ships that were travelling through a common pass in the galaxy. The journey to Goddodin is 12 years from Forum, much of it spent in fugue. The area where these ships were presumed to have disappeared or been attacked is another handful of years of travel away from Goddodin. The news of the actual event didn't even reach anyone for years. The people on Goddodin kept going on about their lives for 12+ years while Hadrian traveled to them, and once they arrived, welcomed the crew with open arms like they're the key to solving this mystery. I know Hadrian kept writing about the futility of the task but I'm having a hard time imagining how stuff like this happening isn't just written off like "oh some ships went dark and disappeared? I guess they're gone, it would be a waste of time and resources to try to find those ships and rescue the crew."

>>25125967
There is no foreshadowing. It's ass pull after ass pull. It's actually incredible how little variety there is in the sequel trilogy, you have already seen nearly every monster and creature in the story, every spell description has been used ad nauseum, every epithet and simile has been uttered endlessly. There is literally truly nothing new but grotesque and uninteresting depictions of violence (including tons of gay rape because Bakker is a closeted homosexual) and endless progression stalling because it had to be 4 books instead of three.

I would finish TTT and then read up on the sequel series, I truly can't recommend continuing with this. I dearly wish I could have my time back.

>>25124317
I have a theory. People haven't actually read Tawny Man. They only know about Fitz getting cucked through osmosis, just like they know Thomas Covenant is a rapist because someone told them, not because they read Lord Foul's Bane. Same way they talk about Kvothe getting cucked without ever having read any Rothfuss.
People in these threads don't really read. Except that Bakker schizo, he clearly reads a lot, lol

>>25125985
Don't people in Sun Eater live for like 4000 years? Sense of progression of time probably can't be fathomed

>>25125999
My understanding at this point is the genetically gifted and highborn can live for hundreds of years, but not more than 1000 typically. The commoners have more or less a regular lifespan. There are exceptions due to the use of technology outside of the empire. Cryo fugue seems to pause aging.
In any case, even though lifespans are extended, that's still 12 years minimum of waiting for help to arrive to solve what appears to be an ambush. What do you expect them to do?

>>25126005
>What do you expect them to do?
I don't know desu I haven't read sun eater I was just answering based on a booktuber describing its setting and worldbuilding because I feel bad when people don't engage with questions and posts on here and I don't see sun eater posts engaged with much

>>25126008
My question was mostly rhetorical. There's one or two sun eater enjoyers here, but most of the interaction consists of complaints about it being derivative and blatant plagarism. I personally don't care, I've been enjoying the books.

>>25126010
>I personally don't care, I've been enjoying the books.
That's good. I'll be reading it sooner or later, sometime this year. Just debating whether to get it physical because the covers look so cool, even though I don't like physical reading anymore for reasons that should be intuitive, and if you dont know, you don't know, its fine.

>>25125989
>I would finish TTT and then read up on the sequel series
We'll see. Bakker better not troll with the ending of Thousandfold Thought. I might have to take a break from the series before I continue anyway.

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It's so fucking good, holy shit. Haven't read it in years.

>>25122476
>https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb
name of the wind in god tier recommenddations?

really?
REALLY?

and im not being a "popular thing bad" NPC here, its just genuinely schlock

What's up with lumping fantasy and scifi together in a general? It's not that we have to use generals sparingly, do we?

>>25126046
Look, OP template is old. Old as fuck.

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An anon shilled this in a thread many moons ago, can't for the life of me figure out why.

>>25126050
More like, there's this attitude in the literature establishment to hide away any kind of despicable genre fiction into its own category.

>>25126050
because genre literature is looked down upon, but it more comes from the fact both were originally published in pulps.

>>25126050
It's a ghetto. And there's another ghetto even further down the rungs: >>25124266

>>25123228
That guy will never have decent covers for his books, right?
First DAZ, and now AI slop...

>>25126144
however, there's always somethign even further below: >>25121139

How much'd you read while 4chan was down, /sffg/ers?

>>25126218
45 minutes

>>25126218
finished a book, actually.

>>25126273
Which one? Was it good?

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Rec me a sf/f book with submissive women.

>>25126310
>just be tall bro
tired of this shit

>>25126314
I'm tall but I'm too autistic to get a girl, for what it's worth.

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>>25126273

>>25126218
I read some comic called Slaine

I just want to talk to people about books I read, and no one ever responds. I even create jumping off questions for people to get involved. If you aren't posting about the most mainstream thing in a one sentence bait post format, you may as well not post at all.

>>25126396
Good comic. Have you read Thorgal yet?

>>25126401
Welcome to /lit/! Aren't you glad to be here?

>>25126401
What do you want to talk about?

>>25126401
You're discovering why book clubs exist. In the wild, it's unlikely to find people who've read the same stuff you did unless it's extremely popular and mainstream stuff.

>>25126402
No not yet, although it looks interesting. My comic shop never ever has the first one on hand so I've never gotten started with it.

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>>25126402
I like Thorgal as much as the next guy, but it really always was about art. Stories and dialog are not that engaging. Which is appropriate for a comic, I guess.

>>25126401
people just don't talk about books that much. even in a community you have people with different tastes. also, what are you going to talk about if only one guy has read the book? you resort to vagueness or just spoilers. not to mention you name drop a title, people google it, see it's not up their alley and just ignore it.

>>25126411
I found Thorgal engaging, especially the Qa arc.

>>25126218
I was at work for most of it.

>>25126327
Hey, same

>>25126310
Kushiel's Dart

>>25125739
My copy got delivered to a locked mailbox but it's not there. Is this part of the plot?

>>25126491
Thanks.

>>25125927
Me, I love how comfy it is.

>>25126314
I'm not tall and girls like me

>>25126582
What's your secret?

>>25122528
It's a great series. My wife's fuligin bull recommended it to me and I re-read it every time he comes over.

>>25124942
I finished the fourth book the other day.

I stand by my assertion that someone, likely Mikka, should have shot Nick in the face on page one of book four.

Rec me a sf/f book with dominant women

>>25126659
>My wife's fuligin bull
??

>>25126812
Nah.

>>25126812
Fallout Equestria

>>25126812
my diary desu

>>25126812
Heretics of Dune
Chapterhouse Dune

>>25125985
Any sun eater chads care to discuss? Did 4chan being down scatter you to the wind?

>>25126860
I read it a couple months ago.
>>25125985
>In howling dark, Hadrian and his crew are sent on a mission to find some missing ships that were travelling through a common pass in the galaxy. The journey to Goddodin is 12 years from Forum, much of it spent in fugue.
Pretty sure this was Demon in White.
A few things. The empire gives the impression of being very spread out and sparsely populated, with many worlds having not many people. There probably weren't many ships closer to that area that didn't have more important work.
>The people on Goddodin kept going on about their lives for 12+ years while Hadrian traveled to them, and once they arrived, welcomed the crew with open arms like they're the key to solving this mystery.
I don't think they were affected much by the missing ships, were they? They probably didn't care. It's been a bit since I read the book though.
>I know Hadrian kept writing about the futility of the task but I'm having a hard time imagining how stuff like this happening isn't just written off like "oh some ships went dark and disappeared? I guess they're gone, it would be a waste of time and resources to try to find those ships and rescue the crew."
I don't think the empire actually cared and would've been fine writing them off, but it was a convenient excuse to get rid of Hadrian for a few decades, with the added benefit of making him look bad when he inevitably gave up. No one actually expected him to solve it.

>>25126877
You're very right, it's Demon in White my mistake.
I must have been assuming someone actually cared about finding those ships then. I must have then misinterpreted Sir Almaric's enthusiasm when receiving Hadrian as relief to receive help resolving this mystery, when in actually it may have just been excitement to have someone with such notoriety and prestige visiting his planet. It's more clear now that everyone involved knows how futile the mission is.

>>25126887
>I must have then misinterpreted Sir Almaric's enthusiasm when receiving Hadrian as relief to receive help resolving this mystery, when in actually it may have just been excitement to have someone with such notoriety and prestige visiting his planet.
Sarcasm or serious? It's been long enough that I don't remember those specifics.

>>25126890
Serious, I might be autistic. Or were you wondering whether this actually happened? Now I am too.

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>>25126199
>First DAZ
wrong

>>25126890
>>25126894
Dont worry Ill help you guys out once I start reading Sun Eater. Sun Eater discussions will be all this general sees once I get to it.

>>25126894
>Serious
Ok, wasn't sure.
>Or were you wondering whether this actually happened? Now I am too.
A little, I'm looking back at the book, since I might be mixing it up with something later on. I didn't remember it was the emperor who sent him to find the ships, but it does still seem like the emperor gave him an impossible task, especially with how much Hadrian was celebrated as victor when he returned.

>>25126914
Discussion? In my /sffg/?
>>25126915
The Emperor gave him the task but the war council (Bourbon and the other guy) may be the ones behind the scenes creating the opportunity to get rid of Hadrian for a time. His recent successes and presence at the capital threatened all of their positions, so they just want to send him away for some decades and doom him to return a failure if at all, or so they think.

>>25126921
>The Emperor gave him the task but the war council (Bourbon and the other guy) may be the ones behind the scenes creating the opportunity to get rid of Hadrian for a time. His recent successes and presence at the capital threatened all of their positions, so they just want to send him away for some decades and doom him to return a failure if at all, or so they think.
Yeah, that's more like what I remember. I think Almaric probably was more excited about getting visitors than the ships actually getting found too, since the ships weren't going for Goddodin in the first place and them getting found wouldn't really have made a difference to him.

>>25126931
Almaric is also one of the new fanatics who treat Hadrian like Jesus, all of the kneeling and reverence he gave him on certain occasions. I definitely misinterpreted their meeting as excitement to solve the case of the missing ships, when it was just a guy meeting his idol in person.

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>Children of Time
>Empire of Silence
>Leviathan Wakes
and...

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>>25126947
You know

>>25126947
what is this? a ranking?

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>>25126952
My cart

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>>25124942
This shit better be good. Cost me two whole dollars at the used bookstore.

>>25126947
A game of thrones

>>25126974
Usecase for books with no endings?

>>25127061
Book 3 is the ending

>>25126966
it's good and it gets better up to book 4.
book 5 is disappointing, but at least SRD finishes a series, which some authors ... don't

>>25127099
I wouldn't say book 5 is disappointing, but I do agree it doesn't quite hit the same highs as the other books or have the same constant, escalating tension. Everyone does get a fitting ending though.

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kek i had to read the Wikipedia with how much the book was being talked about.
ill think about it. If something actually interesting writingwise is said about it

>>25127099
>>25127139
I liked book 5, Warden Dios is the fucking man.

I hate secret gay characters. I feel like the author is trying to trick me. Just say they are fags from the beginning.

>>25127139
Rape?

I hate characters who aren't the same as me. I feel like the author is trying to trick me when I self insert. Just say they aren't from the beginning so that I won't accidentally empathize with someone who isn't the same as me.

>>25127305
Its good to hate characters that are unlike a reader. Anything otherwise would imply a tolerance of poorly written characters that dont act like Humans.
I dont particularly care whether gay people are present in a story or not. I just imagine itd be less interesting to read a cute NON BEAR gay guy, than to watch him or see him.

>>25125678
lol I do the same thing

I'll see the series discussed here and think, man this sounds awesome, Tommy C. is great, I like scif, why haven't I finished it yet?

Then I'll hit the literal first page at the bar and remember the narrative 'voice' of the book, and it's such a major turnoff in a way I can't even describe

so i put it down after chapter 1 and repeat a 6-12 months later months later

>>25127305
Isn't it kind of strange to think that people have to be tricked into being empathetic? Why would you not trust people to just appreciate good characters that are different? Why wait until book 3 and be like, "oh and by the way the character you liked has been gay the whole time haha"

Well why didn't you show them being gay the whole time lol like you didn't need to do that.

>>25127329
>>25127329
It may not have been relevant until whenever it was revealed. Most people, regardless of their sexuality, don't tend to parade it only around. Those who do are the exception.

Induced empathy is common. Most people don't have feelings about something unless it personally affects them or someone they care about.

>>25127345
I just don't like the trend. I will gladly follow any character so long as they're endearing. It feels very 2000s and 2010s.

I don’t really like the idea that, for readers to get invested in the characters and the plot, they have to be “relatable” or “likable.” It’s probably the fastest way for an author to hook readers though. Personally I’d rather read about things I wouldn’t experience or explore in real life. I’m not looking for a reflection of myself or my morals when I read

Glokta just like me frfr on god.

>>25127390
Joseph Abercroseph read GOT and decided to plagiarize Tyrion and the sad part is he's the best part of those books.

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>>25127396
Hmm

>>25127411
I don't get it

>>25127428
hes a retard, ignore him, hes trying to imply joe didnt take from GOT because he actually finished his series.

>>25126401
>here's a book I read, please talk about it
>no, I won't discuss it myself, I want other people to do it for me
You're not interested in books, you're interested in being the center of attention. Now sit down and read your Tad Williams.

>>25127431
Actually I'm implying that grrm is a massive faggot who I don't care about because he'll never finish his series. Still better deduction than other boards. Good job /lit/.

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was joe's fall really so sudden or did people simply not notice the signs?

>>25127534
It's universally agreed upon that the Devils was written as adaptation bait and it's getting one.

>>25127534
I use my 70-year-old father as a litmus test for what normies like. He liked The Devils a lot, therefore Abercrombie is doing exactly what he intends to, and doing it well.
You are not the target audience.

>>25122479
>pay for expensive covers
>shelve the books so you only see the spines anyway

Buying a book for its cover is like buying a physical NFT

>>25127538
do you think it will include the stinky crotch scenes?

>>25127540
>normies
So, yourself.

>>25128013
No, I'm a sick weirdo who reads things like Malazan, 2nd Apocalypse and Book of the New Sun. I cannot walk among the normies without hiding my powerlevel. To stand in the full brilliance of my presence unmasked would be to burn.

>>25128072
>Malazan, 2nd Apocalypse and Book of the New Sun
pffft lol

why is this general so boring and dead lately

>>25128128
>lately
newfags can't discuss anything other than endless regurgitative talking points regarding the most megapopular examples of fiction

>>25128128
Mostly because people don't want to discuss things, they just want to complain why other people don't discuss things they're interested in.
See for example>>25128142
this faggot is in every single thread crying about how everyone talks about the same series but never contributes anything of his own interests

>>25128128
dwindling population so its mostly just the same handful of anons every thread

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It would almost be interesting if not for the fact that I dont trust bakker to actually write plot in a non contrived manner. And if not for the fact that he is about to kill the only interesting character other than Cnauir that weve just encountered...barely 20 pages ago.

Why would we do this? Why would he waste Moenghus so quickly and again do the "Kellhus gets whatever he wants because he said so" thing? As if Kellhus isnt the most boringly written conceptual character of all time.

But at the same time. The questions. WTF could it all possibly mean. What "voice thats not part of the Thousandfold Thought" we know that Kellhus had told the Consult that he has been hearing the No God. But wtf is that supposed to mean? Is this supposed to be some Jesus allegory story, where the consult are actually the good guys cuz the No God is some actual God come to punish the hoomans for their sins?

I dont like how little set up or establishment there has been for all of this. I'm not talking about establishment of "concepts" Im talking about establishment of meaning, so incase some retard goes "but weve known about da Outside and da No God for long now" that would be like waving away Lost criticism by saying "Well we've known about the black smoke monster since season 1 now"

Which brings me to that. This sort of set up reminds me a lot of Lost. Where it feels like the way things are teased, virtually anything could end up being the "truth" of the matter.

Thats my worry. That the ultimate reveal in the end will just be some elaborate trick to be surprising, for surprise sake. That theres no coherent point of which the groundwork has been expertly laid down to be built upon.

But at the same time. The problem with Prince of Nothing and why I've kept reading it despite all my criticisms and worries. Is the very fact that, something I cant quite put my finger on, is telling me that there must be more, that all these Esmenet chapters cant possibly be as surface level as I think they are, that they have to mean more, that Cnauirs craziness is deeper than "wow, isnt it crazy that we dont really what makes us who we are, what if I presented you with a guy, who flip flops constantly between wanting to be of the culture he was born into and not wanting to be of that culture, wouldnt that be interesting? and theres no real point or because neither side is conclusive, and theres no alternate conclusion yet, since hes a mix of beholden to his feelings, and almost self aware"

Even if I ignore the characters, I dont know how seriously to take the random philosophical diatribes Kellhus goes on because they are so bad for all the reasons I've said in the past, that I can only believe its shallow on purpose.

>>25128173
>dwindling population so its mostly just the same handful of anons every thread
I was friends with like 8 online guys and 2 girls in a twitter group chat in highschool, and we managed to talk about anime like every day for nearly a year straight. I dont think population is the problem, so much as people that don't really know how to engage with other people

>>25128163
I'm not the only person who will bring up a book to zero replies. Keep your psychotic newfag headcanon to yourself.

>>25128194
I notice you didn't bring up a book now though. Don't you have one you want to talk about?

>>25128197
I already posted about what I'm reading ITT. You gonna engage in a genuine conversation or keep spamming newfag rhetoric? Which popular author are you personally invested in?

>>25128200
Oh you already did, did you? Where?

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>>25128206
How odd! It seems you still haven't found your own post. Maybe poor complainer anon was abducted to another world, perhaps Mars, where even his weak constitution will make him a hero in stature if not in spirit.

>>25128220
This looks gay, talk about something cool.

>>25128231
Yet another example of complaining without contributing anything. You scallywag, you!

The Stormlight Archive sucks. Moash is a pointless character that went nowhere and shouldn't have existed. WaT had too much gay lib shit put in it. It also took a big step towards cape shit. The way the Thaylenah scene happend was stupid and the actual sequence must have been cut.

>>25128128
People who actually read are not posting here. The rest is not well read and has little to post about.

>>25128500
>People who actually read are not posting here.
This is obviously not true.
>The rest is not well read and has little to post about.
You don't need to be well read to talk about books lmao.

Heres my theory: The people who could post here likely dont know much how to articulate why they like something, or why they dont like something, they're pure consumers, so they consume, and the most they can do, is regurgitate what others say about the book, or what the book LITERALLY says, not what can be derived from analysis or critical judgement

This isnt really an indictment on this specific place, I think you can find this problem all over the internet. Its why you go on /v/ and theyre posting twitter screencaps talking about the graphics of a game, or how many active players it has, or whether a female character sufficiently looks like she has enough makeup on, and no possibly distinctive features, so that she cant turn off anybody, or whether its the opposite, and that means politics destroyed games.

You'll notice that none of those things have anything to do with any videogame itself, what the experience of playing it is like, what it has to offer, and why that may be valuable or not. Instead the judgement is very "self centered" its about how somebody feels about a particular set of characteristics, how that can be blown up into a grand narrative about videogames, not as the experiences they actually are, but a sort of abstraction of videogames, what they can represent and mean to a self. The engagement with "art" in the modern day is too centered around the consumer, how something can affect them and their feelings, and because so much of identity is wrapped up in social relations, it inevitably becomes either about politics, or what appeals to and serves any particular group.

So what ends up happening is that the actual videogame, or book itself is never talked about directly

>>25128500
>The rest is not well read and has little to post about
The issue is the "not well read" crowd actually posts disproportionately to the amount of books they read, like the guy above ignoring conversations about non-megapopular authors and books while at the same time claiming that they don't actually exist.
It's all senseless shitposting and judgment and displays of dominance. That's all internet discourse is anymore.

>>25128677
>The people who could post here likely dont know much how to articulate why they like something, or why they dont like something, they're pure consumers, so they consume, and the most they can do, is regurgitate what others say about the book, or what the book LITERALLY says, not what can be derived from analysis or critical judgement.
That's probably fairly accurate. I post about books I've read on here every now and then, and I'm not one to go way into "the message the author was trying to send" or "what it really means", more just surface level stuff about what I liked. I guess that's still better than a lot of the comments here.

>>25128677
ywnbaw

>>25128677
This thread is slow because this board is slow you retard. Post the exact same thread on /v/ and you'll hit bump limit the same day.

I like to keep a list of books to try to hunt down in used bookstores. I was happy to find Jeff Noon's Vurt today

>>25128908
Is the hunt more important than the reading?

>>25128960
no but it's always nice to find these books you've been casually searching for after a while