Slop guzzlers unite!

I see a lot of authors use "even as" when "just as" seems more appropriate. Example:

>She cast her spell, even as her familiar cast his.

Based on context, the only specification the author is trying to make is that both characters attacked at the same time. Using "even" makes it sound like the familiar's action is unexpected or improbable. It is not. So what's the deal? I'm ESL, so maybe I'm not seeing a subtlety in the use of the term in these particular contexts?

intrustive thoughts of deleting my RR and SH accounts and moving on from writing in general

>>25172760
>As her familiar cast his spell, she cast her's.
>She and her familiar cast their spells simultaneously.

>>25172790
Why?

>>25172760
yes, it sounds wrong. "Even as" sounds like it would introduce an unexpected or contrasting action

>>25172793
bad reviews

>>25172760
fuck that me

>>25172803
That's pretty weak and gay. You're right, maybe you aren't cut out for writing. Go right on and delete them now and stop coming here. Switch over to writing in your little bitch boy diary you thin skinned, limp wristed, overly sensitive homosexual.

>>25172803
>bad reviews
if its not your 10th or 12th novel, you really have no idea. You got several bad novels inside you, you have to get them out and done with. That's the big filter to writing in my opinion. Its no different than learning to fight. you get your ass kicked and you don't mind it and keep coming back to it. one novel? All of a sudden you'll see something break open.

>>25172803
if every writer that had bad early reviews, if every actor that sucked their first few roles, if every singer or musician let early bad reviews get them down. we would have nothing in this world that was beautiful and accomplished.

someone is reading my chapters and i'm fairly sure I'm going to get a 4* review when they are done.

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How to begin a story inspired by LOTM but with three protagonists?

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>>25172790
>>25172803
I know that feel bro.

Got another dumbfuck review today where a reader was demanding me to make changes to the story and mocking parts of it, despite saying he mostly liked it. I was so close to deleting the whole shit. Damn, if you insult me publicly like this, the consequence isn't that you get what you want, but that the fun fucking stops. Then those who actually like the story can thank this dickhead for never knowing how it ends. It was so tempting. I'm not that attached to this thing, I'm just writing for fun. If it stops being fun, why would I keep doing it? I could kill my baby whenever and do something else. It took the whole day to convince myself it's better to just forget about this cunt.

>>25172878
Have them all start together.

>>25172895
Go check the review rules, odds are they broke the rules somehow. Then report it and watch the review disappear to the shadow realm.

>>25172895
Post story, I'll check it out.

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I already have the story generated. I'll dump it to completion when approved

>>25172830
where do i read

>>25172984
don't worry about it.

>>25173001
>>25172895
>>25172790
If you're worried about sharing here... This general has been principled/supportive; even FFF-anon, who did his best to annoy /wng/, received positive reviews from (nearly) everyone.
I don't follow the thread too closely and I have 14 of (you)r stories followed-- all 5-star'd.

>>25172980
KINO KINO KINO

>>25172878
I would recommend Deeper Darker, it's a great read on royalroad with 3 protagonists

Should I even bother publishing if I don't do progression, cultivation or litrpg?

>>25173110
If a comment on 4chan was going to stop you, yeah you shouldnt even bother.

>>25172980
It's up.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/159652/i-was-reincarnated-as-a-level-1-inventory-slot

>>25173148
Genuinely speaking, are you retarded? You just dumped the whole thing at once.

>>25173162
I literally don't care, it was a one shot for fun.

>>25173162
he generated it
yes, clearly hes retarded

I really wish they would ban AI-generated content entirely. I know it would just make people lie and pretend they really wrote it and cause more problems but fuck I hate seeing that shit. It's just noise drowning out signal.

>>25172790
Do it
Not everyone is cut out to be a professional slopper and that's ok

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>>25173181
reminder

>>25173180
Cry about it. I've made a respectable chunk of change genning AI stories over the last few months. Writing the old way is faggotry.

>>25173181
All it takes is one person making a legal stink to make it happen. Once an AI shart makes it big, someone should copy it near entirely with generation of their own. Then if any action is taken, use the court ruling on how AI generated works are not eligible for copyright and lawyer up. The more issues it brings, the more likely sites will take it behind the barn.

>>25173191
Poor bait.

>>25173191
Thank you for your efforts in making the world a shittier place with your greed.

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(Crossposted from Worldbuilding thread.)

Context. My dad got sick when I was seven and died when I was thirteen. I later experienced other consecutive tragedies, which made me become a gnostic.

I completed a 650k word fantasy novel series and incorporated my gnostic worldview into the setting. This was planned long before the cliche of demons secretly being the "good guys" took off and became a meme.

My reason for including this is from a source of genuine schizophrenic hatred for Y*ldaboth, unlike others who are just atheists or subversive, but I don't want to play this cliche straight. It's not a major plot element until the last book, but I don't want something so cliched to suddenly appear in my series. Seeing Invincible get shit on for doing this has been really disheartening. (Don't watch it but seeing the talk right now.)

Should I go through my story again and change it all?

I have plans to post the story on Kakuyomu eventually with the translation help of my friend who is studying English. (Context. I am a white girl in Japan.)

>>25173201
You know the rules.

>>25173201
Why ask for opinions on whether to post on a basket weaving forum? Post it then ask for opinions if you care about them.
>but what if people shit on me
They will
Deal with it or never post anything on the internet.

>>25173201
Just post it. Unless it's something that would legitimately end you from association, never compromise on your vision. Besides that, you're doing it on a Japanese website and they seem to like this sort of thing much more than western audiences anyway. You'll be fine.

>>25173201
Jesus christ, wtf did I just read

>>25173148
Memes aside, the AI verbosity is so thick that I can’t even get past the first paragraph.
You’d think the devs would’ve fed some how-tos to these bots by now.

/wg/ has fallen

>>25173201
incorporate the Christ Aeon as a positive force

>>25173201
if you enter into wedlock with me I'll teach you everything you need to know about writing

I have this relatively small work I want to post on a schedule, but the chapters are pretty long: anywhere from 7-20+ pages each. If there's only 10 chapters or so, how often should I post for good engagement? I wish I could split these into smaller chunks, but I already named the chapters and am pretty attached to the scheme I have going on.

>>25173320
I would meet up with you just to murder you for thinking you know more than me

>>25172793
Other guy wasn't me but not writing what people want to read is soul crushing. Don't even have any reviews actually

>>25173322
just do:
>Chapter 1: First Chapter Title (I)
>Chapter 2: First Chapter Title (II)
>Chapter 3: First Chapter Title (III)
>Chapter 4: Second Chapter Title (I)
>Chapter 5: Second Chapter Title (II)
etc.

>>25173201
You will get mocked if you make the demons the secret good guys
If you make them the irredeemable bad guys people will say you're copying Frieren

>>25173324
hot...

>>25173201
do whatever you want, trends can go fuck themselves and the people that worship them can too

if /wg/ is dead does this mean I can post about my bakugo fanfiction?

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>every guy is referred to as cute or adorable
>female characters all act like the MC’s lesbian coworkers
Jee Gab Song isn’t even trying to hide it anymore.
But damn, his brand of ADD storytelling, leaving a hundred dangling plot threads everywhere, is like crack for me.
And of course, the racism is peak.

>>25173353
This really fell off at around 110? He just streamrolls everything way too much. Its like he has all the hax at once. Infinite money, has yet to lose a fight, even status. Hope it has some actual conflict appear.

Serious question. Why does isekai seem to be the default story structure for webnovels?

The demons are not the good guys.
The demons are dead.
The gods are dead.
The psychopomps remain and are confused by the whole situation, especially about what to do with all these souls that keep flowing into the underworld. They are trying their best.
They've decided to keep ferrying the souls up to the makeshift heavens they have cobbled together.
Occasionally they wake the sleeping wyrm to carve new routes through reality, to help with the logistics of the whole operations.
Hopefully this won't break anything.

>>25173365
The human brain is wired to follow well-worn pathways.
If you’ve read a lot of isekais, your brain tends to default to reading and writing more isekais. The same applies to any genre, from xianxia to romantasy, post-apocalypse, technothriller, horror, and more.
Try going back and reading hard-boiled detective stories sometime. Most of them start with a phone call and end with the blonde femme fatale being behind it all. Literally copy-pasted jobs.
That’s how subgenres are born.

>>25173365
End all be all end game form of Escapism

>>25173365
serious answer
kill yourself

fate gu an opp fr fr

>>25173366
this is good, i like this one

>dropped my AI slop story
>no one cares
>dropped my story that I actually bothered to wrote and only had like 1k words
>has more views and followers
????

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Honestly I do filter out all the AI shit. If I could block all authors who use those tags, I would. I simply don't want to associate with bots and LLM gibberish, deal with it.

>>25173442
Readers are getting better at sniffing out ai prose.
Even if you think everyone reading winnies is a retard they still demonstrably have better attentions spans and pattern recognition than non-readers that scroll tiktok all day.

>>25173395
I just find it odd because so many of them start with the main character dying horribly and being reborn somewhere, which seems like a grim opening. I'm surprised people don't find the structure repetitive. A few years ago it was relatively common and now it's almost the default. Fascinating and strange.

>>25173442
AI feels inauthentic. Doesn't matter if you genuinely think you are using it as a tool to tell a story you don't have the skills to make; nobody else sees it that way. They see someone who couldn't be bothered to make their own content. If the writer can't even half-ass something, why should they read and support it? And if all this author does is prompt an AI, why shouldn't they just do the same and get something even more tailored to their tastes?

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>>25173201
I hope you find Jesus.

>>25173395
>>25173365
this is WRONG. that is not the universal answer.
there are maybe more YA/romance novels than isekai. they're just on wattpad and other places. it's huge in SEA
and though it often comes from inspiration (not always) building off tropes is (essentially) an agreement between the author and the reader. the reader knows what they're going to get, and it doesn't hinge on the author having massive talent.
it serves as its own marketing. plenty of authors do market research and are very purposeful about what they chose to write.
i could go on, i wasn't that succinct here. it's just not this anon's bullshit 1 sentence of pseudoscience

>>25173481
You are both wrong
The real answer is it's just easier to write genre fiction when you can assume the reader and the isekaid MC have the same level of information.

>>25173482
actually i implied that, sorry it wasn't clear
> building off tropes is (essentially) an agreement between the author and the reader. the reader knows what they're going to get, and it doesn't hinge on the author having massive talent.
you played yourself lil nigga

isekai is a promise: you don't ask for much, and I won't give you much beyond what you ask for

if one more person reiterates what i already asserted i will twist them into a pretzel

isekai is happiness!!!

>>25173482
If that's true, why wasn't this an obstacle to fantasy before isekai showed up?

>>25173486
Are you implying the reader doesn't *want* a high level of quality? That they actively prefer lower-quality storytelling? Seems like a stretch.

>>25173494
low reading comp
>finger quotes for emphasis
>stupid post
the retard's signature

>>25173494
yes, you read isekai for genre tropes and comfort

>>25173493
Seems like an odd perspective. Putting aside when you would consider fantasy to have begun existing, the idea of someone you could relate to in culture being sent to a place you don't relate to has been pretty common for a real long time. Realistically it just ask less of the reader and the writer in terms of understanding things that are foreign to them in both mentalities and environments.

>>25173497
Neither preclude quality, though.

>>25173493
It was an obstacle. You think it wasn't? Fantasy was anemic for ages as a genre compared to other genres of literature. It was extremely niche in large part BECAUSE conveying an alien culture, world, and structure of reality requires a lot more exposition than "dude this guy raskolnikov KILLED some bitch and now he's crashing out."

It only even started to become widespread with Tolkein and LOTR, and everyone after copied him. Why? Because copying the LOTR setting saved a LOT of effort both in coming up with a fantasy world, and explaining the alien cultures. Isekai tropes gives the same benefit to authors and readers: a shared understanding of the genre so that everyone can get into the meat of the story without needing a giant appendix or prologue explaining everything.

>>25173494
They don't want or care about high quality.

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>>25172742
How common a plot device on RR are letter prologues?

Men are just jealous that they don't have any divine woman spirit energy

men try to leech this magical creationism energy by vampirism --- sucking a woman vaginas on upon her menstruation

thus tasting the life giving spirit of womankind

>>25173660
the fuck

>>25173651
Very. And I close the tab every time I'm hit with that italicized wall of text

>>25172760
one of the points of feedback that I got on a first draft was that I used "in so far" twice in a single chapter

>>25173651
captain caramel status: still stuck on the first chapter forever

>>25173693
Yes. I reached 2K words on it, and I'm nowhere close to where I want it to end. It's becoming a sunk cost. The chapter doesn't live up to RR's standards.

>>25173022
I've already shared a decent number of times. I try to only link my story once every month or so, if that.

>>25173642
It literally makes no sense to want an inferior product. No one wants a shittier table in their house. Why would they want a shittier book?

>>25173326
Then ...write what people want?

>>25173486
You don't ask for much and get nothing in return.
t. isekai

>>25173802
I am owed success for my niche story that I don't advertise or update often. People should want what I write, not the other way around.

>>25173660
Those are simps. Real Men are spirit of all things.

>>25173703
>The chapter doesn't live up to RR's standards.
wwwwwww

It saddens me to witness what has become of our once-mighty sect. So many promising juniors have been led astray by the e-celebs and their heretical Dao of Show, Don’t Tell, along with the rigid mantra of trimming ten words from every passage. Such misguided teachings have stunted the growth of countless young practitioners.
Even now, they bicker over hollow abstractions like genre labels and the ever-shifting standards of Royal Road, while our numbers dwindle with each passing day.
A pity.
If the Slop Master were here, he would have set these wayward juniors straight. Alas, he has departed on a long journey, and I know not when, or if, he will ever return.
Is there any martial hero out there who could save us? Or is our sect fated to wither and fade away beneath the cruel passage of time?

>>25173968
What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25173486
>isekai is a promise: you don't ask for much, and I won't give you much beyond what you ask for
you make it sound like a boring minimum wage job. the owner swears he'd pay more but those god damn lazy workers, you know? And the workers swear they'd show up on time and try if it was a "real" job. So what you're really saying is that both the reader and the writer are both just phoning it in. Christ don't that just beat all.

>>25173992
>What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
um, stick a flying sword up his ass?

>>25173365
easy to write, it suits web novel authors perfectly.

>>25173651
goon shit

>>25174347

>>>25173365
>easy to write, it suits web novel authors perfectly.

>>25173651
>goon shit

its kinda funny really. isekai and its rigid tropes that must be strictly adhered to, and the goon story. Both are really sniffing up the same tree when you think about it. If I do this, then i get patreon bucks! Neither one is superior to the other.

>>25173366
>what to do with all these souls that keep flowing into the underworld
This part kind of vaguely in a loose way reminded me of Necroepilogos but I lost interest before any big plot reveal was presented.

>>25173365
simple. Look at RR and see what has the most examples of making patreon bucks. Isekai, litRPG, OP MC, wisecracking curb stomping aura farming MC, who is always armed cocked and locked with a witty one liner. There's a couple of mousetraps that perform, and that's one of the main ones on RR. This is like asking why girls that everyone knows are blowjob queens get so many dates. Its kind of obvious. If you want to be one more pig at the feeding trough then that's the way to go about it.

>>25174354
>>25174404
My story is not a goon story.
I kinda wish it was. That might be more interesting to write.
It's this philosophical rank-progression shit.
But I suppose it's a concern if it's judged as gooner bait based on the prologue.

>>25172790
Don't do it, anon

>>25172790
I get the urge.
Fact people gave any you any review means it made them care enought.
So don't

>>25175082
I didn't get any reviews, that one anon wasn't me.

>>25172792
>>As his familiar cast his spell, he cast his's.
>>He and his familiar cast their spells simultaneously
Ftfy

Isekai this, gooner that. Can’t you guys talk about something more concrete, like a villain idea you have or a specific fantasy location you want to write about?
I recently watched The Most Dangerous Game (1932), and the setup is pretty cool: a rich guy traps people on his island and hunts them down for fun. Having a specific psycho to fight against is a lot more interesting than the modern setups, where it’s always some faceless corporation or aliens or whatever. And setting the story on one small island keeps every set piece within walking distance.
So maybe I could have a story where an evil wizard kidnaps people and brings them to his domain, where they’re forced to hunt monsters and level up. Then, when a player reaches a certain level, he hunts them down to steal their loot.
The MC can start out as a regular guy, and then, as he gets better at killing, the villain starts taunting him, saying he’s becoming addicted to the thrill of the hunt, just like him. You know, the typical hero-villain relationship that’s becoming increasingly rare to see.

>>25175618
>pointless babble
>random personal anecdote
tina please apply to a nursing home

>>25175618
>a villain idea you have
guy who sees people as machine parts

>>25175629
>>pointless babble
>>random personal anecdote
>tina please apply to a nursing home
hey, fuckstain. That wasn't tina. I did a bunch of prior posts, that didn't set your tina-meter off. You need to get that thing calibrated. That's just some random anon. Question: now that its established that wasn't tina, does that magically make that anon's post okay? Lets just call it my sheer morbid curiosity.

>>25175618
>I recently watched The Most Dangerous Game (1932)
excellent retro taste, anon. and did you know that "the Zodiac" specifically mentioned that movie in his taunting letters to the police. which to me just adds to the allure of the movie.

Threadly reminder not to reply to Tinashit.

anyone else here like to infuse noir into their writing. I find it adds that simple complexity that helps make things more than the sum of their parts.

How come /wng/ and /sffg/ have faggots like this >>25175713 inbred who do everything they can to prevent stimulating discussion? /sffg/ would have question prompts years back pre-covid and then people had autistic fits about the OP not being the same banal copypaste until it stopped.

>>25175703
a retard is still retarded by any other name

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>have all my characters planned out and their backstories done
>worldbuilding outline finished
>conflict and solution also mapped out
>even have future ideas on a sequel
>still have no fucking idea how to write the very first few paragraphs
Why is starting a story so difficult. My mind literally stops working whenever I open a new document.
The "hook" is what I'm being autistic about the most without it being forced.

>>25175801
Just start with some action. It can be a fakeout, a spar, and so on, but make sure you jingle those keys in your readers face.

>>25175801
Hot Take: It's okay, actually, for hooks to be forced. Every which way you can imagine to start a story has been done, parodied, played straighter than straight, subverted, inverted, and diverted. You could even get away with starting your shit with "Once upon a time..." without people batting an eye.

>>25175801
i miss dragalia lost

>>25175807
>jingle those keys in your readers face

Webnovelists, everyone. Cynical writers are the worst.

>>25175812
how are you meant to exploit your readers for every nickle and dime on patreon if you don't treat them like cattle?

>>25175728
By noir, do you mean noir or hardboiled? A lot of people confuse the two to the point where I think even the average speaker is more likely to mean hardboiled than noir when they say noir.

>>25175618
I want a Not-Venice story

>>25175821
pointlessly pedantic
he likely means the gritty, cynical tone more than le hardboiled detectives if hes talking a universal application

>>25175812
You think I'm being cynical? lol. No, I just think that's the easiest way to get a story going and people reading.

>>25175825
>pointlessly pedantic
Genre differences are overly technical, so some degree of pedantry is unavoidable, and in this case the difference is kinda important since actual noir tends to be depressing bullshit in a way that hardboiled isn't. If they were talking about noir aesthetic, then yeah, it's basically the same shit, but tonally it's black and white, pardon the pun.

If we weren't on /lit/, I would just be assuming they meant hardboiled, but here, I'm sure there's enough people that separate the two that clarification is in order.

>>25175832
noir has entered the zeitgeist and isn't just an associative shorthand for hardboiled detective stories
you should assume people intend the words they use unless they give indication otherwise

>>25175836
Bend over and I'll enter your zeitgeist

Selkie posted proof of life today on patreon. I wonder what the April update is? Perhaps 'yeah I'm taking April off too see you whenever'?
Song fans starving.

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You guys really have nothing to say, huh.

>>25175853
>uncreative
>unfunny
>generally awkward
stupid tourist
talk about the webnovels you've been reading or writing or crawl back to your containment thread

>>25175853
>>>/v/

>>25175853
Nothing novel left to do or say in this world. Just trying to enjoy the ride back down.

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>>25175836
>you should assume people intend the words they use unless they give indication otherwise
This is absolutely dumbfuck bot-tier advice. You should always take common usage, subtext, and context into account when interpreting what anyone says.

>noir has entered the zeitgeist
So's fucking isekai and half the people that use that shit don't know what it means as evidenced by every dumb motherfucker I've seen claim SAO or A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court or Isekai Ojisan is isekai and deny that A Princess of Mars is.

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>>25175846
Some people can take months long hiatuses and write nothing but bland filler and people just keep paying. But if every chapter I put out isn't pure gold, they cancel immediately. Is my story really so shit?

I only have ideas for endings

>>25175731
yes. we have a few monstrous faggots dug in like ticks. we're working on it. but yes that's the state of things on the ground.

>>25175821
>By noir, do you mean noir or hardboiled? A lot of people confuse the two to the point where
I mean fucking NOIR. i know what hardboiled (detective) is, but i mean noir. as an aesthetic, noir mixes and blends with *any* genre well.

look. i'm just happy a few anons here seem to know what noir even is. Because sometimes, I've seen long discussions... goddammit. everyone is describing noir but not calling it that. like several blind guys around an elephant describing what they feel. noir is important, it elevates everything. It brings that complexity to everything. I swear, noir is one of the best kept open secrets in the writing world. It takes anyone's writing up a notch. I mean, just trying to share.

Weekly chapter review

Pale Lights (patreon) : Really liking the Asphodel crews working together. Tupoc is a delight. The delve is still going. 8/10
Years of theApocalypse (patreon) : An artifact for the tree? This gives me legacy vibes. Even if Marian loses, the tree can handle many more eons in the loop. But it's also , of course , a deathflag for it. 7/10
100 Reigns (patreon) : Act 2 and new reign. Slow start , not much to comment yet. 7/10
Player 0.4 : I love how simple sounding 'games' have much more cosmological significance as we dig deeper. 7/10
Apocalypse Reborn : not much happening. War is going good , events are being handled. 6/10
Attorney to the villainess : hmm , Roman Empire with magic alternate universe? Didn't see that comming. Slow chapters otherwise. 6/10
Foolish young master timeloop : still funny. Waiting to see the stupid way he dies again. 8/10.

Tried and dropped
Villainess of tangled tragedies : interesting concept (villainess + tower) but it was very 'AI' coded and when it was not it was just badly written. 5.5/10

What's noir?

>>25175984
It's when a gruff detective in a trench coat solves crime, often on behalf of a hot woman.

>>25175995
>It's when a gruff detective in a trench coat solves crime, often on behalf of a hot woman.
no. that *can* be noir, it doesn't have to be.

I hate to go with a google definition, but its the best general thing for new guys. and I'm telling you... noir will change your (writing) life. Noir is great by itself, but it *really* shines when its blended with another genre, any genre.
>
definition...
Noir literature is a subgenre of crime fiction characterized by a bleak, pessimistic outlook, moral ambiguity, and cynical protagonists—often anti-heroes—who are doomed or trapped in a corrupt, gritty world. Unlike traditional mysteries, noir focuses on psychological instability, sex, and fatalism, where characters act on base instincts and rarely find redemption.
Key Characteristics of Noir Literature

Morally Compromised Protagonists: Characters are often flawed, desperate, or driven by self-interest (private investigators, criminals, or ordinary people caught in crime).
Bleak Atmosphere: The world is seen as inherently dark, unfair, and chaotic, reflecting a "darkness" or "night" (French noir).
The Femme Fatale: Often, a beautiful but treacherous woman leads the protagonist toward doom.
Gritty Settings: Urban landscapes, low-life dives, and settings that highlight systemic corruption and class conflicts.
Fatalistic Plot: Unlike traditional whodunits, noir focuses on the inevitability of trouble and the emotional or moral decline of the character rather than just solving a crime.

Noir vs. Hardboiled FictionWhile often used interchangeably, noir and hardboiled stories differ in key ways:

Hardboiled: Features a detective who acts as a "white knight" attempting to enforce justice in a cynical world.
Noir: Features a protagonist who is part of the "scummy world," often engaging in reckless behavior, with a focus on "why" things go wrong rather than just "who" did it.

Common Themes

The corrosive effects of greed and money.
The meaninglessness or absurdity of existence.
Anxieties about masculinity.
Fatalism and doomed choices.

>>25176003
I'm just being cheeky. Having a wee bit of a laff.

>>25175984
A subgenre of grimdark.

>>25176011
>A subgenre of grimdark.
actually, I would more accurately say... grimdark is basically... noir. As I said earlier. i hear noir called too many other things. its like people forgot what noir is. Can noir (easily) be a hard boiled detective, with the stereotypical femme fatale? Yes, and easily. But think. Make the MC something or anything other than a cop/detective. remove the femme fatale. now you have a weird, dark, complex system going. Look. Most stories focus on the "beautiful people" and how cool they are. Noir doesn't. every rich beautiful person? Has a dark side, a skeleton in the closet. Anything anyone does? They have a motive, and its selfish. The bright lights of the big city? Fine. But noir will take you through the back dark alleys, where the dirty deals happen. Corruption, is key here. Corruption = friction. As a writer, you gotta love this world. Its too rich with potential conflict at every turn. then? There he is, your NOIR HERO (MC). This... flawed, mean, cynical, jaded, son of a bitch. He will do the hero thing, but its not out of being noble? No way. He does it for greed, or because he's forced to do it.

>>25176028
this post contains useless waffling about things everyone already knows, hence I'm classifying it under the subgenre "grimdork"

>>25176028
you communicate poorly. obnoxious creature that you are

I am looking for a dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror. Is there anything out there like this?

>>25176042
DCC

i know you guys are all big on self insert. In noir? Its EASY to self insert into a noir hero. He's flawed, he's not perfect. He can have a facial scar, he can be scared or otherwise weak in some fundamental way. but... he can *calculate*, how to get away with the babe in one hand, and the suitcase of diamonds in the other, and slit the throat of that big tough crime boss on the way out of dodge. i'm telling you, its *hard* to self insert into a white hat hero. Its *easy* to self insert into a lesser flawed noir MC.
>
I've read a bunch of these noir paperbacks. Did the world get saved? Nope. But... this little regular schmoe... he made his move. and I'm telling you. you get done with 200 pages of this, it feels like more. The most basic plot, under noir? Feels pretty low key epic. It (self insert) feels like... a regular schmoe could BE that MC guy.

>>25176029
>this post contains useless waffling about things everyone already knows, hence I'm classifying it under the subgenre "grimdork"
you can call it whatever you want to, but it still stands.

TINA is the only person I've ever known of who I would actually suggest to use ChatGPT to make his posts less annoying.

>>25176042
Pale Lights

Somebody explain noir to me in a way that doesn't sound like a schizo bum telling me about it on some stream corner.

>>25176085
yeah. I see them all lining up.

>>25176085
First person , urban setting , usualy involving a crime mystery

>>25176101
>urban setting
Actually rural-noir and space-noir are both things. Also horror-noir can get kinda gothic.

>>25175853
What are gu??

>>25176042
Lord of the Mysteries

>>25176042
R Scott Bakker.

>>25176102
prepare you mind, but... anything *noir* is a go, You can mix noir with... literally anything. the fact that in the past it was traditionally mixed with hardboil? Fuck that. You mix it with anything you want.

Does a story like Tokyo Ghoul or Raildex with more tangible progression elements have a fanbase in RR? What I mean is an urban fantasy setting rather than the common isekai/apocalypse/cultivation story

>>25176150
The setting is not the genre in winnies

>>25176150
I want a story that takes place in the real world in general. I’m getting tired of all the made-up names and genetic, copy-pasted settings.
The idea of the main character having to buy a ticket to Nepal and climb the Himalayas to fight the Abominable Snowman, or sneaking onto a submarine to reach a dungeon in the middle of the Bermuda Triangle, sounds a lot more interesting than watching a hero’s party trek through a forest to reach some generic cave for the ten-billionth time.

>>25176213
You can have that with system apocalypse stories.

>>25176042
Reverend Insanity

>>25176296
You should go to /ssf/ to spam them , as counter to Bakker spam here.
You stopped and they got cocky

>/ssf/
What did they/them mean by this?

>>25176329
Oups , /sffg/
Same thing really

>>25176309
Nta, /sffg/ is beyond hope, I tried my best to guide them into the correct path but with no results.

>>25175801
Write the first chapter as a greentext. No fancy shit. Just a normal, dry greentext. No fluff. No attempt to impress. That's how you start your story. Then embellish it a little. Key word being a little. If your greentext is
>be me
>get flattened by a truck
Then dont start with a long paragraph about how rainy it was and how you struggled to get out of bed. Start with the goddamn truck and your head cracking against the windshield like a watermelon filled with brains. Start simple. As simple as you can.

>>25176309
>Bakker spam here
Where?

>>25176085
Cool fedora dudes getting caught up in dame's bullshit and blasting criminals with silly nicknames.

>>25176421
In his head. Bakker has only been mentioned once before that post, and only as a recommendation.

i regret not writing mitsubishi lancer girl evolution last year

>>25176150
Sure, but a lot of them are litrpg

>>25176421
Check last thread when /sffg/'s main spammer tried to bring his riff-raff over here.

>>25176534
I don't know man. Look like that guy really hates bakker.

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New kino just dropped
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/159874/the-reincarnation-of-tommy-glover

>>25176744
tommy hoverhands

>>25176744
oh yeah your pastebin doesn't work but it's probably easier to web2epub this through RR to throw it on my ereader
>Error, this is a private paste or is pending moderation. If this paste belongs to you, please login to Pastebin to view it.

>>25176758
Ah, that makes sense. I used a no no word and it warned me it might not be visible

>>25176758
Also, I made an epub of my other story on RR/Amazon, if you’d like
Born Under a Black Sun https://mega.nz/file/MtwVRZYK#Sg_jPQ898m5VxTdbJFnb3jpaspGAdoiWVklbLTYnbZY

>>25176046
Fuck I hate that you're right.
DCC is right in that sweetspot of would be fantastic but it's got r****t and millennial humor smeared all over it.

havent found anything good since RI...

>>25176828
My longevity simulator

>>25172742
Writers in the first world should be grateful that they even have time to write and ponder. Most people around the world are born into the third world, live in virtual slavery, and can't even afford an education or to get out of working for less than a dollar a day.

>>25172742
>write something
>receive complaints about the white room
>read a popular light novel
>it's all white room
I don't get it.

>>25176864
never listen to feedback from strangers

>>25176767
I actually have it ready to go but thanks for being convenient with the upload. I'm the guy reading through the Magic the Gathering trilogy and I plan to read yours next.

>>25176919
Books for this feel?

>>25176919
what the fuck is this post about?

>>25176942
I wish they were this good.

>>25176864
I'm starting to hate readers, honestly. I'm tired of idiots reading several chapters into my story, deciding they disagree with it, writing hate comments, and then giving me a shitty rating. But what I hate most is that this is a tiny minority of the feedback I'm getting, most people like and enjoy the story, and I can't stop dwelling on the negatives.

I may not be cut out for writing or creative endeavors. Like I'm just not having fun even though I feel like I should be, and I do enjoy the actual process of writing the story and how the story comes out, but fuck man haters ruin it.

>>25176919
>>25176942
uh oh pissbaby got le mad
bet you're the bakkerpoaster

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>>25176992
Do not respond to bait/trolls/spam.
Just report it and hide the posts.

Why is this schizoid obsessed with R Scott Bakker?

Is Scott in the room with you right now?

>>25176995
nobody's falling for your retarded evasion attempts

>>25176995
It's the schizo spammer that tried to ruin /sffg/. Just ignore them.

Is this the "failed to get published" general?

>>25177005
no, that's /wg/

>>25177005
hey buddy, /wg/ is two doors down
we're slopping in this bitch, there's no publishers here

>>25176864
Are you finally starting to realize the west doesn't like the same things as japs and generally mock japanese writing?

>>25176879
Cool, hope you like

>>25177016
i've bought published webnovel lit because of this thread >_<

>>25172895
>Damn, if you insult me publicly like this, the consequence isn't that you get what you want, but that the fun fucking stops. Then those who actually like the story can thank this dickhead for never knowing how it ends.
That's not how it works, dumb fuck author. I'll blame you till the end of time.

>>25177112
Cope & seethe. You still get nothing.

>>25176992
I saw he's been posting in the threads that RIspammer makes. Which evil will triumph and overcome?

>>25177173
>in the threads that RIspammer makes.
What threads?

Shut up Bakkerspammer.

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>>25173651
Continuing the eternal chapter 1.
I'm discovering that I should write what I want.
The alternative is trying to appeal to people who aren't going to read my slop either way.

>>25177519
Are those two men romantically involved? They don't sound professional, it makes no sense for such people to lead a military campaign.

>>25177546
No. They are brothers-in-law.
And their unprofessionalism is kinda the point.

What are the shittiest aspects of AI written novels? If they were not shit everyone would be genning stories tailored to them so it can't be any good. Is AI still horrible with continuity, I only tried those dungeon bots before that stuff even became an industry and it would instantly forget everything, also copy-paste entire chapters from random texts and shit.

>>25177625
They're getting better. Some anons have made okay money turning agents loose to write story after story. They're about to get a lot better with some recent breakthroughs. A LOT better.

>>25177641
kys

>>25177641
I've been seeing this said every week for the past 5 years almost. They're still shit and very obvious, and still have a notable characteristic: Making AI sloppa decent and coherent takes enough effort that you might as well just write it yourself.

>>25177657
>sloppa
AI post.

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I'VE DONE IT, 300 FOLLOWERS!!!

>>25177697
>Ongoing
Wasn't it finished? Why are you lying?

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any feedback anons? Is this too melodramatic for RR

>>25177714
I've just update the Geopolitical glossary.
It seems when you post new chapter, the status changes.

>>25177577
>And their unprofessionalism is kinda the point.
Is it because you just don't have skills to write professional and competent characters?

>>25177715
>her
Stopped reading there.

>>25177715
bit twee
I've read things like this. not hyper popular megagrift shit mind you, but stories with moderate followings

>>25177546
die you dumb retard

>>25177723
Professionalism is rigidity, not very interesting.
Competency is uninteresting to me.
It's more interesting to see which incompetent character is least incompetent than which competent character is most competent.

>>25177715
Beautifully written, very good flow.
Maybe some of the sentences are a bit too long and could benefit from being split.
WHateveer that fit RR, is beyond me.

Is first person really that cringe? Idk, since escapism is the big draw when it comes to webnovels, I feel like first person is easier to self-insert as or whatever?
Or is that not the case? Why is 3rd person more preferred, especially to here?

>>25177866
first person is for women

>>25177866
the average retard's rhetorical basis is assuming their preference as an absolute truth
in actuality it's whatever. both are represented and appreciated in equal measure. doesn't matter at all

>>25177866
>durr which is cringe
I literally cannot discuss the merits and demerits of either narrative point of view because you're not educated enough to have that discussion.
For your purposes, it doesn't matter.
Take an English Lit course for God's sake.

>>25177898
I swear 90% of posts are made by a bot or a lost twitter user who can't stop engagement farming
surface level questions with provocative bait slipped and never sincere follow ups to proceed into actual discussion

>>25177951
This is just how people communicate in 2k26, it isn't any better irl from my experience

>>25176042
unironically Kara no Kyoukai

>>25177951
It's largely why I don't post here much anymore (that and the doxxing and attention whores).
It was nice last year while it lasted but it is what it is. I got plenty of reading to catch up on anyway.

>want to post my chapter 1
>remember the schizo compiling everything ever posted here
:/

>>25177730
>>her
>Stopped reading there.
and no one gave a flying fuck, tard. why did you even feel a need to post yet another "one word; dropped" idiotic post. you're a waste of bandwidth as well as a vacuum of intellectual capacity. You see, if you had nothing in your head that would be preferable. Yet instead you have a vacuum and that sucks the available intelligence around you into that vacuum and destroys it. (you) are a net loss to the thread.

>>25177715
pretty decent, really.

>>25178265
didn't read

>>25178265
Anon dont reply to trolls

>>25177005
>Is this the "failed to get published" general?
Lets break this down.
the entire publishing industry, and that's from agents to test readers to editors and publishing professionals. mostly women and not just any kind of woman either. The purple haired SJW kind of women to boot. What men are in the industry are primarily gay or some minority. I've been in a chat room listening to test readers talk amongst themselves. They were laughing at throwing anything that came in from a straight white male into the trash bin. No test read, you can't get a chance to meet an editor. They search the bio information, bragging how any slightest hint of republican or conservative, into the trash it goes. Gee, I can't wait to keep beating my head against that wall. Now lets put that aside and turn to a website. They have there more than one professional reviewer. The one was bragging how she's been an editor, a publishing executive, a test reader, just been and done it all. I couldn't even get my chapter reviewed because you first have to pass her blurb/synopsis muster. All snark and making fun of my blurb. So if i can't do that correctly (in her estimation) then why waster her supposedly limited and valuable time reading my chapter she 'knows' will be incorrect as well. Plot twist! he also brags about her commissions to write, etc. I found one of her books and we shared two genre tags in common. Guess what. Her book is completed meaning no more release views, so its about run its course. I'm still releasing daily chapters and I watched my book float right up past her book. I'm now smoking her.
QUESTION --- given a choice, readers prefer my cover to click on, then more are choosing to read my book than hers. Moreover my synopsis she snarked on? Its drawing more readers to me, then her own does to her. Big think now. What the flying fuck is she doing as an industry professional. A self entitled black lesbian furry who is getting lit up and pissed out by a rank amateur and everyone thinks she's qualified to make these decision, to tell writers what and how to write, much less determine who gets in and who doesn't? Its fucking ludicrous. I'm not "failed" at getting published. The last thing I would want was for her to force rewrites on me, then make editorial changes such as a woke cast, etc. Fuck the trad pub industry, fuck it up the ass with a giant black rubber dick.

>>25178297
save it for your suicide note

>>25178297
didn't read but you're absolutely right

>>25178357
you said two things and they're mutually exclusive anon.

>>25178265
Stop writing female slop.

>>25176042
>>25176116
Bakker's Prince of Nothing series has literally all of this. Right down to shapeshifting creatures that shoot black semen.

>>25178297
Didn't read but I'm happy for you, or sorry that happened

>>25178153
He's busy adding every anon's underwear sizes to his excel sheet and might not notice

>>25177717
You have to set it manually to complete in the settings. Otherwise it's just hiatus -> inactive.

>>25177519
Despite declaring right away that talking to this guy is like talking to a wall, he spends a small lifetime banging his head on that wall. It gets tiresome.

>wake up to a bunch of notifications
>they're all from one guy, sometimes posting multiple comments per chapter
>expect little more than the usual tftc
>they're multiple paragraphs long, speculating where he thinks the story will go and asking a million questions that could be answered by just reading
>they suddenly stop at the exact point most people get filtered

I'm somewhat relieved to be honest, the guy clearly had some weird preconceptions about the story and lacked reading comprehension. But it was fun to be able to track someone's impressions in detail about each chapter for a while

>>25178480
These schizos take a break when their meds wear off. There's a good chance he'll come back when the manic episode hits again.

>>25178416
The top 2 on RS are fem mcs, so no, I don't think I will.

>>25178265
Holy seethe, I'll be sure to let you know next time too

>>25178486
I wish I had a schizo phase

>>25178502
Simp

>>25178523
Simp for what? Successful stories?

>>25177730
>I'm vegan btw

Bold, italics, brackets, all caps, or blockquote, which is the least annoying to read when it comes to system messages?

>>25178544
Do you not enjoy writing stories with femc and writing stories about females and female perspective in general?

Defiance of the Fall webtoon has my interest piqued in the series. Heard it turns to complete trash but I figure I can just read some good earlier entertainment until a certain point and then hop off. What point would that be? I've seen posts in my search bring up certain arcs but there's no list of story arcs and chapter numbers for them. Or should I just stick to the webtoon and not bother?

>>25178572
> female perspective
Let's be honest, most authors don't / can't write about that. At least 95% of the stories with a female mc could just as readily be a male mc if the name plates were changed.

>>25178571
I'd say brackets, followed by italics (or a combo). It's also the most portable if you post to other sites / epub.

>>25178596
Yes, though that wasn't my point, he may be bad at it but he still prefers writing female perspective more than male perspective.

>>25178596
that isn't actually a problem. the genders aren't really that different.

>>25178596
>still regurgitating this incel cope

>>25178690
erm, anon, you feeling okay? that's literally the opposite of "incel cope".

>>25178697
>brooo women are ALIENS you can't write them

>>25178700
I'm not even sure what you're mad at. You're either ESL or have missed the point entirely.

>>25178444
>Didn't read
I'd like to hire you for the CEO of /lit/.

>>25178267
>>25177772
Thanks! Appreciate it!
>>25177738
I wanted to go for tonal contrast memes, but maybe I'm too far in one direction? idk, but thanks for the feedback.
>>25178265
>>her
>I've revised it a bit, let me know if this is better
It was the happiest day of his life since the end of the world. His drifted across the pool with a manly smile on his face, much in the fashion of a pre-christian roman emperor, and the wonderful taste of medium rare steak on his tongue.

The pair of wings that became his arms were kept buoyant due to his massive biceps, almost like he was wearing floaties. His talons kicked at the water and his moved cock in the same rhythmic motion. The movement spun him in a circle around the pool and his massive harpy cock followed suit.

Each rotation of his cock brought him an inch closer to the perfect circle. "Zeppeli! Zeppeli! I have found the true man's world," he shouted after every spin. A golden requiem leaked from his second heart in honor of the Kingdom of Naples.

"God, my balls are full," the biological male remarked. The slightest bit of meloncholy came from his mouth, the bitterness that came from existing in world where woman were only fiction. Where the straightest thing you can do is groom a minor into crossdressing and call it a symptom of long-covid.

Then came hardy laugh that was loud enough to pierced the heavens. "As if a single foid could ever be pure enough to earn his harpy cock!" he exclaimed while he Mr .Firehoused his dick into various three dimension shapes, "Even the great Aello would fail at such an endeavor!"

"A simp was a cuck no matter where he fucked and no betas could be found in this world!" He proclaimed, capitlazing the "He" in defiance to the rules of grammar itself.

Lettio had not played with his cock like this since he was thirty-eight thirty-seven seconds ago. He had come across an arrogant young master who showed great promise, but lacked the dao in his heart. He had come across Lettio in a pool not disimliar to this, greatly offend by his lack of pants.

"You have dishonered by sections face with your blazen display," cried Venerable Heavenly Dragon Sameer said in a foreign language he lacked the estrogen to understand. Lettio responded to such faggotries the only way he could, an even bigger erection

He wished for a bigger erection. He wished for a bigger erection. He wished for a bigger erection. He wished for a bigger erection. And if Lettio had any wishes left, He wished for a bigger erection.

Then he would say "themes and such," shouting FBI crime statistics.

>0.5 star rating on my second chapter today
I'm going to be sad

>>25178799
That's gay.
It seems you can only write females or homosexual males, writing straight man character/fiction is too hard for you (maybe even impossible).

>>25178815
How the fuck I am suppose to write straight men if I'm not allowed to write woman???

>>25177715
what setting is this? the conventional descriptions (ice cream, floaties, D minor, house and houses, community pool) seem to suggest it's somewhere close to earth, with present-day technology
to me it's sitting in an ambiguous spot of harpies and hydrophilic creatures and multiple suns, with an awkward number of descripions that try to ground it in a contemporary setting (the pool is crowded? what kind of pool? what kind of crowd? a human crowd or other sea harpies? other monsters?)

>>25178818
What's so hard about it?

>>25177697
what's next?

>>25178827
straight men cannot exist without women. A man in a male-only world is homosexual by default because women don't exist.

>>25178823
System apocalypse in medias res, though you're right that isn't clear in the text posted. I thought it would be fine since I was planning on doing the standard SysApoc setup a bit after what I posted, but now I'm kind of liking the idea of a fight scene and I keep adding stuff and idk.
>>25178827
You're the type of young master to get mogged by Lettio

>>25178571
System messages are annoying by default. You should make them even more annoying for comedic effect

>>25177715
le telling, not showing ;^) shan't be reading. 0.5 stars

>>25178837
I haven't read a single webnovel in my life, I don't even know what they are. so your audience will likely be able to parse the setting from that passage more easily than I can

>>25178835
>straight men cannot exist without women. A man in a male-only world is homosexual by default because women don't exist.
Are you a simp?

>>25178855
are you a homosexual?

>>25178913
No, why do you ask?

I always see Chrysalis recommended online so I gave it a shot. It has to be one of the most boring series I've ever read. Everyone said it gets better later on so I reluctantly read five of the books and guess what? It doesn't really get better. The only thing that improves is the world building but my god the fight scenes are boring and 70% of this story is focused on them. Explain yourselves antfags. Why do you like this series?

>>25178830
Finishing the polishing, and completing the glossary.
The next step is thr Amazon release.

>>25178926
because you display homosexual tendencies.

>>25178954
so, the end goal is stubbing it?

>>25178961
What specific tendencies did you notice?

>>25178995
thinking about men, assuming anyone who doesn't do the same is a simp

Any advice for entering Writathon April 2026?

I have zero relevant experience. I have no plan.

>>25178984
Never!
My goal is selling a real book made of real paper in a real library.

>>25179004
How can you write a male character without thinking about it?

>>25179027
>selling books in a library
Anon...

>>25179053
Well, libraries do often sell old trash that's removed from the collection

>>25179046
skill

>>25179053
Bad choice of words.
Anyway, my dream is to walk into my local library and witness someone taking my worn-out book from a shelf and spending the entire afternoon reading it.

>>25179023
Aim for 5,000-word chapters, or better yet, 10,000 words.
Because the more chapters you have, the more “stuff” you have to add: buildups, payoffs, conflicts, character arcs, locations, subplots, etc.
So have fewer chapters and simply let your scene breathe. Then you can divide them up later, like how Chinese novels like to go: Breakthrough part 1, 2, 3, 4… Sect Tournament part 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6…

>>25179023
when does it start actually

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>>25179113
ty will do

>>25179131

>>25178456
I'm sorry to hear that.

>>25179046
>How can you write a male character without thinking about it?
being born with a cock and balls seems to help me do it, not sure what your issue is. I also grew up in a burned out steel town where the natives seem to consider getting drunk and fist fighting is how you relax after a hard day's work. And no matter how retarded the game is, you will play it to win sooner or later. Every third wedding reception or funeral ends in a brawl. Call the cops? Some of them are in the brawl already. You haven't lived until you've seen the bride herself punch a fat cop in a double breasted suit, right in the chops. We toasted her.

>>25178855
>>straight men cannot exist without women. A man in a male-only world is homosexual by default because women don't exist.
>Are you a simp?
men away from the women-folk for any period of time, their testosterone levels rise. They get bolder and more aggressive. its an evolutionary advantage two ways. Testosterone rises for war or hunting, and it falls for when you're around women and small children and old people. We fuck this system up with the way we structure our society.

i guess ill do the writathon. but only in spirit

>>25178572
>Do you not enjoy writing stories with femc and writing stories about females and female perspective in general?
I have grown fond of this. Instead of the usual male MC everything is from his perspective of the narration is following him around. I put a female MC right up on him and you get to see everything through her eyes. As long as she's intelligent and perceptive, I get the best of both worlds.

>>25179389
why not join it in presence?

>>25179376
So you write without thinking about what you are writing and you also like to get into local fights in your dead end town?
Writing, being an author, is not for everyone, it definitely is not for you, anon.

stop replying to fmc seether you retard

>>25178518
>Holy seethe, I'll be sure to let you know next time too
and rest assured that we're all counting the moments until you do anon, you have mad skills. We're talking baited breath.

>>25179386
This is what happened to 95% of the posters in this general.

>>25179399
>So you write without thinking about what you are writing and you also like to get into local fights in your dead end town?
No. Its the experience that was important. Three phases of it were notable. Being young and thinking this is all a retarded system. Then having no real choice but growing up fighting and not even realizing the gradual changes. Then maturity settled in. I realized it really was and still is a very retarded system. Yet it was also inevitable. Violence is just a language and you can learn to speak it with fluency.

I do not think about "writing a man" I just write a character. sometimes that character will be a man. The gender is not actually important because I don't write stories for homosexuals that need a big, strong man to hold them and tell them how special they are.

>>25179399
>Writing, being an author, is not for everyone, it definitely is not for you, anon.
How can an author be expected to write about violence and high stakes, when they've clearly never lived even a taste of it. Most hand to hand combat, gun-fu, knife fights, etc etc. It reads like someone that can write very well took a cartoon or a comic book and turned it into a novel. They especially don't understand the after effects of it all. The wise cracking curb stomping aura farming massively OP MC and his witty one liners is a fucking cartoon. I can tell when the author has at least knowledge of what they write about.

Thoughts on Joy of Life?

>>25179433
No idea about the novel but the drama is great.

>>25179431
>The [FICTIONAL CHARACTER] MC and his witty one liners is a fucking [FICTIONAL CHARACTER]
...Yes? Most authors don't try to go for realism. This is already true for conventional fiction, and doubly so for WNs.
Also, this isn't some sort of new degradation. This is naturally how humans tell stories. You will find more in common between an ancient myth and a modern webnovel's characterizations than between an ancient myth and a heckin ebin reddit chungus totally 100% realistic drama novel.

>>25179423
>>25179431
Fair enough. You know so much about violence, about getting into fights, punching cops then why the fuck do you write goon slop and femc garbage? Write about the hard life in your shitty drug infested steel town.

>>25179457
elements of that/those experience(s) definitely went into different male MCs. Key elements to me are seeing the whole game for what it really is, not what its held out to be. Developing a philosophical or sort of clinical detachment from looking at all the gritty reality. If you've never been cornered by a bigger stronger drunk asshole and realized there's no real choice but to go for it. that its just another day at the office, its just that this day at the office is going to suck. Now you can scale that up. Credibly. Into the MC finding himself trapped with a dangerous felon and knowing there's no way out but over that opponent's dead body. When you "win" this match up. That just means you walk out the bathroom and the other guy is taking a little nap. You still get fucked up. Its not like the hero in the movies. You wake up the next day and can barely move. My hero is now more real and believe-able.This makes him even more of a self insert. The violence is more realistic. You can better feel what its like to be in the situation. For me, some people would rather watch a GI JOE or HE-MAN cartoon; others might like something a bit more mature.

>>25179143
should a new RR writer do this?

>>25179679
no particular reason they shouldn't
the challenge is all about writing a lot and as a writer you can only benefit from writing regularly. if you truly end up hating what you write by the end of the event, you can just delete it
better to have done than not

>>25179679
what's the down side, what is there to lose. At worst you got another of the bad stories out of you that are in the way between you and your first good story. At best you made something cool. How can it hurt.

Finished a story, or at least the first installment.

https://cityofflies.substack.com/
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/90003/city-of-flies

Gonna let this sit while I work on something else and get feedback, then try to make a physical edition later this year. If anyone wants to give it a look, I'd appreciate it.