volantene shores editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25189230
Sansa rape scene.
Someone’s probably made this connection before but fuck it. I’m 100% convinced now that hugor of the hill was azor ahai after finding this >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_maiden>in literature, the swan maiden trope, also known as the “man on a quest for his lost wife” trope, is an old German story trope where a man makes a pact with, or marries, a supernatural female being who later departs and he must set off on a quest to find her.Hugor of the hill (aka hukko) killed the swan maidens as a sacrifice, George is secretly telling us that hugor nissa nissa’d his wife and that he is the same figure as huzor amai and azor ahai
What are some professions you'd like to see explored by a POV character in Westeros? George once said he considered a lawyer type character to explore the laws of the Seven Kingdom more. I also think a Stepton might be interesting.
>>25216316any of them really. it's strange that there's barely any mention of any sort of professional/middle class in westeros, even though we know they exist. we really only ever hear about the peasants and the nobility. but there are whole families of bankers, craftsmen, merchants etc.
>>25216259>the swan maiden trope, also known as the “man on a quest for his lost wife” trope, is an old German story trope where a man makes a pact with, or marries, a supernatural female being who later departs and he must set off on a quest to find her.Sounds like in Elric when yrkoon kidnaps cymoril and he has to search a foreign continent to get her back (and he eventually ends up killing her with a magic sword too)
Nissa Nissa died in childbirth
>>25216316A headsman.
>>25216234Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and winter is coming and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>25216409>IMG_9562.jpg (36 KB, 588x363)That's some cool art.
>Tywin Lannister >Wins ok what kinda hack writing is this
>>25217292he lost though
>>25216316Wizard through the ages. Some valyrian wizard living on the north side of the bay of crabs quietly, having moved in after the doom and kept to himself, mostly forgotten. The idea of him being a wizard is generally mocked except when people realise he hasn't aged in the 20 years or he sets fire to a raider. Shit, maybe he's a lord by then, I don't know.
>>25217391well technically...
>>25216259If Hugor of the Hill was Azor Ahai then who was the Blood Stone Emperor? Or are we going with that one cancelled show that only shot a pilot (becasue the main cast was white and all the children of the forest were black and brown actors) where it reveals the Andal invasion began at the same time the Long night started. Because to me that tells me Hugor of the Hill is far more sinister looking like pic related than the pic he was on the wiki.So Hugor meet up with the Nights Watch (remember it predates the long night and the creation of the Wall) and the is the last hero with his 13 companions, who are all wargs who were killed and then revived, like stoneheart, Beric etc to venture into the heart of winter and through diplomacy end the long night and build the wall with Other ice magic.
>>25217292he won so much he got tired of winning>hate Aerys because he took your crush's virginity>overthrow the Targaryen dynasty and kill his son and grandkids>put your daughter on the throne>she immediately begins acting like a Targaryen>refuse to accept that she might not be yours>die on the shitter
>>25217838>if Hugor of the Hill was Azor Ahai then who was the Blood Stone Emperor?We have the bloodstone worshipping a black stone that fell from the sky, and then we have hugor of the hill where “the father pulled down 7 stars to make his crown (in that storyboard pic you posted you can see the stones in his crown)”. Curiously enough he even has black stars in his crown in his official hbo description. The seventh ruler of the great empire of the dawn was the amethyst empress, who bloodstone usurped. The bloodstone emporer started the starry wisdom cult, the symbol of the faith is the seven pointed star. Hugor of the hill was probably the andals version of bloodstone, this wandering chieftain, only with all his actions filtered through a lense that sanitizes unsavory actions and paints him to be a hero and incorporates their theme of 7 into his tales, written later on. Instead of worshipping a Magic space rock that fell from the sky, it was the father who pulled down 7 fallen stars for his crown, just for fashion. Instead of killing his sister wife, he sacrificed the swan maidens to the 7. What the black rock that fell from the sky really was I think was a peice of the red comet that broke off and landed on planetos when it passed too close (so close it cracked the moon) We know that the red comet increases magic whenever it passes by, enabling miracles like dany hatching dragons. So having a peice of that magic by wearing a chunk of it in your crown would give you great powers, like raising wights, or setting your sword on fire and who knows what else. So the cancelled show might have been closer to the truth with the Andal invasion coinciding with the long night, only it was a kind of proto Andal invasion, happening after the first men made a pact with the children and before the true Andal invasions. Westeros was the last stop in a long march, a westward expanding conquest, with a fled or taken sister wife in the mix who ends up dead
How's Preston Jacobs' Winds? Worth starting?
>>25219064you can't just force your own youtube channel into the OP of a general thread
>>25219064Buy an ad.
>>25219127>>25219140Newfag
Jonsa status?
The Second Dance of Dragons is the plot i'm most excited about but even if Winds came it will probably end with Dany just landing to Dragonstone.I want my Aegon vs Dany kino...
I've been reading and watching stuff about five year timeskip and now I wonder why George didn't just make most of his characters a bit older from the start, like the show did
>>25219776time between chapters was suppose to be weeks/month from each other like Dany in aGoT but a lot of stuff happens and suddenly needs immediate reactions. 5 year gap was suppose to fix it but a lot of things also need immediate reactions so it was scrapped.I blame Stannis
Why does the fat man not split Winds into smaller books
Jed status?
So what would Varys plan be if Aegon didn't work out? Seemed like he had a lot of contingencies in place if his first or second option didn't work out. Would he be backing someone like Edric or Gendry had his Targaryen restorationist plan idea failed
>>25219824Because he is done with the series. He doesn't want to write it anymore.
>>25220261>So what would Varys plan be if Aegon didn't work out?It had to work for them because it was everything Varys and Illyrio had been working for, seeing as fAegon is Varys' nephew and Illyrio's son via Varys' sister Serra Blackfyre.
>>25220261She and Illyrio would have had another son
>>25219252Dany's a freak, maybe she'll let Sansa watch from the closet.Jon would put his foot down if he knew, Arya's the only sister he'd let into his bed
Why do newfags hate the morning throners?
>>25221079idk what that is but seems like you're trying to astroturf
The only youtuber we like is Michael because he posts about stuff itt before making a video about it and it isn't subtle about it at all.
>>25216259>he is the same figure as huzor amai and azor ahaiAlso, the same figure as lord Uthor Hightower (Ahai-Tower).
>>25221166It's the official /grrm/ podcast, we voted on it early on
>>25221940so you astroturfed it early on?
>>25219824because if he did, he would cram in 5 more new POV characters to write himself into a corner even more
>>25221898In the stories, Argoth is about to marry Maris the maid but Uthor marries her before he can. Maris could be uthors swan maiden, taken by Argoth stone skin and tracked down by Uthor across the ends of the earth. If we accept uthor as hugor/azor, then he must be the first Hightower who put an end to the dragons at battle isle. Now combine this with George’s favorite practice of inverting fantasy tropes, “saving the maiden from the dragon locked in the tower, but the dragon is the good guy”. I’m getting a vision in my head of Argoth running away with maris from the great empire of dawn out of love/prophecy, paralleling rhaegar and Bobby b. Argoth is a dragon lord from the same royal blood as Maris and Uthor (if you combine Uthor and Argoth you get Arthur) who fled from the empire of dawn secretly across the sunset sea and made battle isle on Westeros. Azor ahai, not privy to this information searches westward sweeping across Essos and basically becomes the stallion who mounts the world in his fury. He finally tracks Argoth and Maris to battle isle, and Westeros’ first true battle between men happens and the dragons are slain (the histories remember this as the forst tourney in Westeros). Argoth is defeated and exiled to the iron islands, becoming the grey king, Uthor becomes the high king of Westeros.
HELLO GENTLEMEN, IS THE GRRM NOVEL “DYING OF THE LIGHT” ANY GOOD?
>>25222329We don't read here
>>25222329>a space opera set in his "Thousand Worlds" universe, focusing on Dirk t'Larien's journey to the dying planet Worlorn to find a lost love, Gwen Delvano, who is now bound to another man and a world trapped in eternal twilightSpeak of the devil. I’m going to read this now, theres probably hints about azor ahai
so where do whores go?
>>25221940post the strawpoll because I would've voted for Interesting Nerd Club.
>>25222644I can't listen to that retard doing unfunny jokes and laughing at himself for like 5 minutes and doesn't even let anyone move on or keep on topic. If nobody is laughing with him he goes "OMG THAT BOMBED SO HARD HAHAHA NOT EVEN A PITY LAUGH OMG HAHAHAHA." It is so unbelievably obnoxious.
>>25222538to Dubai
>>25222538Into the arms of some jock brute instead of a supreme gentlemen like me
>>25222538AsshaiWhere do you think the Ass in Asshai comes from?
>Be kind to me, Ned. I swear to you, you shall never regret it.
>>25222538Tysha is the Sailor's Wife in Braavos
>>25222993Her face looks like she can feel his cock. His face looks like his cock can feel her ass.
Aryabros...not like this...
>>25223651Jaime really is George’s magnum opus. It’s cool how we ALL can agree on this
>>25223651>Sam>9George won't like this
>january summaryit's at least plausible, anon basically meshed together the most popular fan theories and added a dose of imagination.>bloat in Feast & Dance, narcissistic fag who posted a separate threadit's more accurate to say that those two books mostly overlap, then Dance goes a bit further. But yes, as I've long said, there is one good book between the two of them, and there should've been serious pruning of chapters and entire POVs to keep the story concise and moving at a reasonable pace, instead of getting bogged down & bursting at its seams.I get where GRRM was going with some of that stuff, but it's like he wanted to develop every story thread, and sometimes you have to ruthlessly edit & cut things down for the good of the whole, which he wasn't able to do.Also, I couldn't help getting annoyed at Theon being buckbroken and bitched by Ramsay. It all feels very forced, like GRRM just wanted to tear down the character for whatever reason, and also to have a POV inside of occupied Winterfell.
>>25221940>It's the official /grrm/ podcastThere can never be an official /grrm/ podcast because you faggots will always succumb to algospeak so you can grift off of being boring. Make a video calling George a fat nigger for an hour and I will consider subscribing.
>>25216259>Hugor of the hill (aka hukko) killed the swan maidens as a sacrifice, >George is secretly telling us that hugor nissa nissa’d his wife and that he is the same figure as huzor amai and azor ahaisooo, by EXTENSION :Tyrion (aka Hugor Hill alias now) will somehow meet up with TYSHA and ... KILL HER.And now HE will become AA ?! :O
>>25222329Yes, it's not bad.
>>25216234Can we all admit we didn't read any of this shit, and just watched glidus and alt shift x's vids instead
>>25223958Anyone who even believed for a minute the January chapter summary thread could ever be real has never read the books. I refuse to believe otherwise. GRRM just doesn’t write chapters that way. There’s a lot more flashback, relaying the scenes from the past few weeks, then specific scene in the present, etc.
>>25224483I’ve run it through my accurate Ai checkers, and it came out as fully human text. Thus that’s a LOT of effort for a shitpost. I believe it
>>25224498You’re not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? I guess that’s why you’re in the Gurm thread
guys what do you think of my alignment chart?
Why the hell did Ned refuse Renly's offer? It isn't even dishonorable; Ned was just being stupid. No wonder the show added Renly asking to be made King too, so that it gave Ned an out that isn't being retarded.
>>25225210He dont want it man
>>25216234Stannis the Mannishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aieN2eZfliQ
>>25224483I don't think the summary is real, I meant that it's as good a guess as any.>>25225210Eddard had to be a fool and get killed off, because he's honorable, and a major theme in ASoIaF is the cynical deconstruction of romantic/chivalrous ideals. That, along with its pornographic portrayal of vice & violence, parallels the works of Marquis de Sade.
(responding in here because I refuse to give primadonna anon a bump. post in the gen with everyone else you high-handed fuck)>Stoneheart is introduced in the ASOS epilogue dummy>Most of the 'bloat' in AFFC/ADWD was already established in previous books. Euron was first mentioned in Clash and foreshadowed as a major villain throughout Storm.>The FAegon plotline was heavily foreshadowed in the House of the Undying, and Illyrio's ambitions were hinted at all the way back in AGOT.>The only plotline that seems unnecessary to the overarching story is all the Dorne shit. But even that we know George was planning from the start (Areo Hotah is mentioned in the AGOT appendix). So it must have *some* importance to a big development later in the storyThese are good points. It does seem like Dorne is building up towards big events later on, thus the groundwork. Still, Feast & Dance ARE bloated, and not just because of the inclusion of those characters; rather it's because GRRM couldn't edit down and keep things concise. You could chop out the entire Quentyn POV, and tell his story through other characters, while leaving in the other Dornish. You could crunch Tyrions journey to Slaver's Bay into less chapters (mainly leave in Chroyane/the sorrows), and there's other fat to be trimmed too.
>Blacks
>>25226478>only black character in the dance story>gets written out by ryan CONdalkek
>>25226500he already made quota
thread is moving by so fast nobody will notice if i mention i once commissioned strong belwas scat porn
>>25226500>AGOT has 3 canonically black characters>D&D cut all 3 of them out of the show>between season 1 and 2, someone at HBO pulls them aside and tells them it's the current year, they gotta put black people in fantasy shows now>instead of putting Chataya, Alayaya and Jalabhar Xho back into the story, they just race swap two random foreigners and call it a day>the crew of the Cinnamon Wind, Sarella/Alleras, and Black Balaq all also never see the light of dayblackwashing characters is always kind of silly but it's even more annoying in ASOIAF because GRRM writes tons of black characters and the showrunners just get rid of them
>>25226640Black people didn't exist in medieval Europe, so they make no sense to exist in Eurofantasy.
>Editor: Stop using "words are wind" so much.>GRRM: No way fag.Why is he like this?
>George R. R. Martin General #110 >#110holy shit i knew this was a board full of pseuds but have you really done 110 generals on this hackHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
>>25226656Neither did dragons lmao
>>25226478
>>25226639>strong belwas
>>25226640Don't forget Moqorro and Brown Ben Plumm. It's also funny they cut a lot of the gay characters too, especially in HotD and then turned around and made some other characters gay/bi instead.>>25226656I respect George because the ethnic characters have logical reasons for where they are present in the setting and it's not just some random bullshit that makes zero sense why they live where they live. The show can't say the same when the two most inbred families (that only escape inbreeding by marrying each other) look nothing alike.
>>25226679the words of winds
>>25226748yes they did actually
>"Jon fell to his knees, 'ghost' he whispered">"Off in the distance a wolf howled, the sound made her feel sad and lonely"
>>25227387Anon, I...
>>25222310The dragon duel at battle isle between the grey king Argoth and Hugor Ahai over the love of maris the maid:Part 1:George uses the archetype of two lords with dragon blood having a great feud which culminates in some kind of duel and sometimes involves some kind of love triangle. Aegor and Brynden, daemon and aemond, Robert and rhaegar. I believe the first instance of this pattern was Argoth, Uthor and maris, and by comparing these characters with their future counterparts we can get a Vague shape of what happened in the dawn age between the two titans, their culminating dragon duel at battle isle (which also parallels the battle above gods eye), and their subsequent fates.Part 1: the characters Consider the stallion who mounts the world prophecy of Dothraki. “He will rise to the ends of the earth, all the people of the world will be his heard.” This is the path of azor ahai/uthor. He rode from eastern Essos to the end of the world in Westeros, conquering all the tribes into one under his supreme command, taking many wives and building a huge bloodline. Now, here’s a cool Easter egg: Take the name of the would-be stallion who mounts the world and move the R to the end. Rhaego becomes Haegor, a combination of HUGOR and AEGOR. Aegors banner is the red winged STALLION. So let’s call Hugor and aegor team stallion and move on to their rivalsOn the other team we have the one eyed dark lord archetype. Brynden rivers and Argoth. I believe Argoth is a reference to thundarr the barbarian, a cartoon set in a post apocalyptic world ravaged by a meteor that shattered the moon wherein a hero with a sword made of light (lightbringer) fights evil. In the show Argoth is a wizard with a hundred eyes who steals thundarrs girlfriend. (Argoths hundred eyes, Bryndens thousand eyes, bravo George). So shierra sea star is paralleling maris the maid of old. The one eyed dark lords are associated with trees, Brynden is a greenseer of the Blackwoods and Argoth is associated with the demon tree ygg). While the stallion team is associated with new gods (Aegor is a FOTS worshipping bracken and hugor was an important part of the faith of the seven)
>>25227628Part 2: The duel, and their fatesLet’s go back to Daemon and aemond a duel at harrenhal: As daemon waits for aemond to accept his challenge he cuts a slash every day into the castles heart tree. This is an echo of Argoth cutting down ygg the demon tree as he waits for Uthor to come duel him at battle isle. I base this on my belief that ygg grew from battle isle, and that George hinted at this when he said the very first Hightower was made of wood. After ygg is cut down, the duel starts and the dragons die. After, uthor and argoth meet in combat on foot, lightbringer clashing with dragon steel. Uthor Hightower takes out the grey kings eye and from this point on the fates of Argoth and Uthor are the reverse of the fates of Brynden and aegor after their duel at red grass field. Argoth, missing an eye and defeated flees to old wyk, he recovers his forces and keeps raiding oldtown out of vengeance until his death, much like aegors rebellions. the iron born was his legacy, as the golden company is aegors. Much like how aegor flees with blackfyre, argoth flees with lightbringer having taken it in the duel, however lightbringer is now in a weakened state, just a handle with a burning cross guard. This became the burning brand tradition of the ancient iron islands. Argoth turns ygg into a longship and becomes grey king. Brynden become greenseer of the old gods, while Uthor becomes the ruler of the new gods in the Hightower, Westeros’ new artificial ygg
>>25226478>>25226984Bleached very soon
>>25224483>Anyone who even believed for a minute the January chapter summary thread could ever be real has never read the books.>>25224498>>25225772There's nuances to *which* parts of the summary you "believe".Personally, I think it's A FACT that the manuscripts have been delivered and are currently developed.If the "leaker" were smart, he'll sprinkle "noise" around truths so as to avoid identification.AND to prevent spoilage.AND to have the "benefit of the doubt" in case the book release gets delayed / changed plans.PLUS there's also the issue of his reading & spilling being "filtered" by a) personal preferences of what to focus on AND b) the level of Knowledge regarding the overall LORE of the world.What I mean: Notice how the leaker never talks about Jon's parentage OR mentions Marwyn at all.Maybe through HIS own prism of a reader -- that of a mild connoisseur, as opposed to a crazed afficionado, those aspects are entirely outside his scope of interest.So, uh...I "believe" like 30% of the "leaked material" *COULD* be somewhat-true.Rest is faked ... ON PURPOSE.In ANY EVENT:Yes, it's a fact that the manuscripts were delivered and are currently developed..
>>25227387>>25227492Anons, I......what exactly are you hinting at ? ~_~
Jon Snow comes back and massacres on the night's watchmen who stabbed him and anyone who refuses to follow him. Yes/no?
Ah yes, yes, I'm almost done with my legendary Winds of Winter, 1,500 pages in. It's my magnum opus!
>>25226656>Black people didn't exist in medieval EuropeThey did and there's shit ton of evidence. Records, paintings, graves, DNA evidence, artifacts left behind. Were there a lot of black people? No ofc not, but they were there. I'm not sure why people can't wrap their head around the concept of traveling.
>>25227492well it wouldn't be peak romance without some tension at startthey'll probably hate each other because of their families at first and fall for each other after spending some time together (and then find out they are related)
>>25227628>>25227633Holy shit anon I think you're spot on> I believe Argoth is a reference to thundarr the barbarian, a cartoon set in a post apocalyptic world ravaged by a meteor that shattered the moon holy shit Grrm really was inspired by this random as cartoon. The meteor shattering the second moon, which became the red comet. Chunks of this fire moon/magic moon became the the sword Dawn and a big chunk worshipped by the bloodstone Emperor. One question. There was a literal dragon there at some point though right? There's fused blackstone at the base of the tower which can only be made by dragonfire
>>25229359>There was a literal dragon there at some point though right? There's fused blackstone at the base of the tower which can only be made by dragonfireI think so yes. The dragons at battle isle were said to be killed by the first Hightower, so before the duel the grey king had at least two dragons hanging out in battle isle. I think the grey king rode a dragon and maybe his brother rode an other one (house good brother decends from the grey kings brother and has a black horn as a sigil, maybe a dragon binding horn?) One of the legendary dragons slayers from Westerosi history could have won their fame in this battle like davos (Dayne maybe?) the dragonslayer, or Galladon of morne (Galladon is a reference to gallahad king Arthur’s loyal knight, so Galahad could be connected to Uthor)And then there’s the story of grey king killing nagga, which is probably a cultural memory of Argoth killing Uthors dragon in the battle
Man I fucking hate PrestonHe actually just actively detracts from the fandom. He's takes away the fun and optimism.Every other asoiaf content creator is either fun or adds stuff on or offers interesting new perspectives. Fuck Preston he's actually a detriment to any community that likes asoiaf
>>25229478*will be the only GRRM-approved Winds ending in your path*
>>25229478I don’t know anyone that has been in the fandom as long as Preston has, myself included, who isn’t fully burned out on ASOIAF and just acts snide towards George at this point (if not to say hates his guts).Everything to be said has been said. Theories aren’t even about the future books anymore, just speculation as to what’s holding George up, etc.Any subsequent rereading ends up being an exercise in “yeah this is where the story got away from George” or “yeah, George was just winging it here and is just making it up as he goes”…
>>25218846I didn't read it, but I guess its heavely based in his Time Traveling Bran theory
Poor Quentin...
So the berries Dany ate caused her to SHATTED but more importantly than shatted, bled when it wasn't meant to be her period. She said based on the taste, that the dothraki used them in some dishes. Now what if, hear me out, her baby miscarried because of those berries, not because of Mirri Maz Dur. When she was in the dothraki sea and ate those berries again, she miscarried again, and she had Daario's baby in her and it DIED, and that's why she was bleeding from her womb.
>>25216234So, epilogue in ADWD ends with Varys expositing to Kevan his master plan for no reason because he is going to kill regardless.Why would Varys tell him it like a James Bond villain? Is this the only way Martin could come up?
>>25229478Preston is such bizarre guy.I was actually shocked when in one of his live-streamds he had this long rant about how much he finds medieval English history borings:>"it's about these kings fighting over succession, bla, bla"This is the same guy who writes ASOIAF fanfiction and ASOIAF is English-history coded.I cannot understand people who find medieval history boring but still like ASOIAF for the same reasons.
I think we should stop talking about Preston and giving him attention
>>25230854>codedkyspreston is a retard though
>>25229630>>25229478>>25229630>>25230854>Preston is bizarre>I was actually shocked when in one of his live-streamds he had this long rant about [medieval English history]>etc.eh... Preston may "rant", "exalt" or act in ANY emotional way as he prefers fit for his current livestream.Had he kept the stream ONLY as a dry, logical, scientific reading and analysis of the books, hardly anyone would have maintained interest for long.Therefore, I wouldn't pay too much attention to his "emotions" and/or their specific method of expression on a given topic.......ALTHOUGH, ...... Technically, in this particular example you gave, it MIGHT be related to him expressing personal dissatisfaction with how the LATTER books have gotten TOO MUCH about slow and plodding, and uneventful COURT INTRIGUE, ... as opposed to...... AS OPPOSED TO how much more action-packed, eventful, emotionally-driven, "fuck yeah, surprise madafaka!!", AND about "the conflict within the human heart" the EARLIER books were. In which case, I FULLY AGREE with him.Seriously, ADWD was SUCH a letdown within the CONTEXT of the series, and the WAIT associated with it...(it serves fine as a STANDALONE book, don't get me wrong... it was just a blue-balls, unresolving, cliffhanger killjoy ... )with ALL THAT said, STILL :There's STILL new and fresh theories popping up here and there occasionally, which, despite my attachment to the fandom since like 2006 ( !! ), I had never even considered.BEST part is -- they are not even TINFOIL. :P(FOR EXAMPLE, only like 2 months ago, someone on Westeros forums suggested that the Others had / have ROBOTS at their disposal... ... and THAT'S what the fabled and legend "ice spiders" REALLY WERE. -- robot "walkers"... Blew my mind, how OBVIOUS it is, yet how NO ONE has proposed anything EVEN CLOSE to it in the past.... )Therefore, Preston's blind side and downfall is how much encapsulated he has become in his OWN section / bubble of fandom.A following grown so fanatical, that it's isolating him & his from any potential new flow of fresh air and thought.Personally I think he's wrong on WAY MORE things than he is CORRECT about. And that's a defect of his EGO ...... because he actually started out STRONG AND TRUE, while he was still relatively discreet and low-profile ... ... but then eventually started talking / analysing TOO MUCH ... which, of course, starts leading to more missed shots than bullseyes.(PLUS the above-mentioned "no new thoughts allowed !1!! we've figured out all out already hundreds of times in the past !1!!").
>>25230858The fanfic is the only new content that’s been worth discussing in the last 15 years thoughbeit (I don’t consider Fire and Blood to be anything but a glorified cashgrab and mostly a parody on George’s previous work, so yes the fanfic is of greater artistic merit).
>>25230946(continued, same anon)>>25230791interesting theory, hadn't considered it.It doesn't quite work out for me, though, because:1) Dany's FIRST "failed" birth was NOT an abortion / miscarriage... She was in term time, it's just that the "baby" came out "monstrous". ( ... according to ALL witnesses anyway... ? )2) Wouldn't the Dothraki have kept such berries AWAY FROM HER, then, while she was pregnant? UNLESS you mean to imply that someone was PURPOSELY pushing them to her, so as to abort her pregnancy? WHO ? ... and... WHY ?!Sounds promising, not gonna lie, BUT -- you got some serious research to do to convince us! Like, for example: Is it confirmed anywhere in aGoT that Dany is indeed consuming such berries?If yes, then at which stage of her pregnancy?Are they mentioned elsewhere to have contraceptive / baby-disfiguring effects?WHICH OF THE ABOVE TWO do you think affected HER baby by Drogo ? Disfigurement or abortion?>>25230852Fair point!I *suppose* it COULD be explained by Varys expecting Kevan to parlay first, and maybe even submit and cooperate.He did NOT, however, so Varys just shot him.Just a theory, ofc..
>>25230791I think it's pretty obvious grrm wanted us to know she was having a miscarriage due to dehydration and not some supernatural magic shitit also adds to the rule of three, she lost two children, she'll get pregnant a third time and this time the baby will most likely survive
>>25230973it's also possible that they were different types of berries, and Dany mistook toxic ones for the safe kind used in Dothraki cuisine. That sort of thing can easily happen if you're inexperienced.also, not sure WHY you emphasize words with ALL-CAPS, like THIS. are you trying to stand out, or are you just naturally like that?that aside, you make some good points.>>25231029indeed. also, in the first miscarriage, her fetus was mutated and scaly, which clearly indicates shadow magic was involved (fire/blood/shadow magic all being related).
>"someday the other sun and moon will kiss and dragons will be born again">"you have been kissed by the moon lord snow"Grrm has been teasing they will have children for a long timeAlways thought the scrapped S8 plot with pregnant dany was something george spoiled to DnD but they decided to go with the mad queen plot anywayI wonder what role their baby will play in the story tho
>marrying your brother, sister, uncle, aunt, nephew, niece, cousinAww, you're so sweet!>marrying your parent or childHello, human resources???
>>25231061>"someday the other sun and moon will kiss and dragons will be born again"Drogo and Dany called each other "Moon of my life!" and "My sun and stars!".So THAT's what triggered the Dragons.Current painstakingly-analytical reading of asoiaf seems to point to a Dany + Euron thing, rather. -- With Jon potentially being a separate vice-Roy / co-ruler or something.We'll see.>>25231067I'm so out of touch with the spin-offs, I don't even understand what the picrel and text is supposed to be about lol...Yeah, I'm ONE OF THOSE "people" -- GoT was where it's at, whereas subsequent efforts in the multi-verse I'm like "meh..."Man, I'm old. :X
>>25231104I don't think it's a coincidence the moon keeps appearing in Jon's dreams and prophecies IDK if euron and Dany may be a thing before she meets jon but it all points to Dany and Jon being each other's endgame as grrm establishes this supernatural connection they share to the point she literally dreams of him and senses his deathPlus the blue flower vision most likely symbolizing her marriage
>>25231141you must be (relatively) new to the fandom...I'll just be diplomatic:With grrm, NEVER rely on "foreshadowing", UNLESS you are viewing it "backwards".i.e. wait for whatever happens to happen (we need Winds NOW... sigh...), and ONLY THEN look back and compare what you THOUGHT you saw.
>>25231189not this anon but you are a retard if you deny jon and dany fucking is bound to happen, it's not only strongly foreshadowed in the books but even official covers hints at their future relaeven the show directors said they only did them canon in the show because fatman was going around the set talking about itjon+dany is as inevitable as r+l=j and jon warging into ghost, now how their relationship will play out in the books and how it will end remains the big question
It really astonished me that GRRM's publisher isn't rereleasing Meathouse Man right now. We are approaching crazy levels of it being on topic.Yes, I did listen to Preston rant about it in his clip about Bookborn where he completely missed the point of the book to shit on his strawman view of trad wives and the people who like them.
>>25220079Jed is dead, baby. Jed is dead
>>25231061>"someday the other sun and moon will kiss and dragons will be born again"Moonboy x Arianne confirmed
So, I have half of a theory. When Tyrion was being groped and drowned by the stone man, he was thinking that he "had perished long ago." Somehow, he did not get infected, but Connington did fishing him out. It made me think of the "what is dead may never die" line. Greyscale was said to have been called as a curse from water magicians, but calling upon Mother Rhoyne, not the drowned god. Maybe there's some connection still. It just seems an interesting thing for him to specifically thinking "I'm already dead" while drowning and being attacked by a water magic creature.>There are worse ways to die than drowning. And if truth be told, he had perished long ago, back in King's Landing. It was only his revenant who remained, the small vengeful ghost who throttled Shae and put a crossbow bolt through the great Lord Tywin's bowels. No man would mourn the thing that he'd become. I'll haunt the Seven Kingdoms, he thought, sinking deeper. They would not love me living, so let them dread me dead.
>>25230973>Wouldn't the Dothraki have kept such berries AWAY FROM HER, then, while she was pregnant? UNLESS you mean to imply that someone was PURPOSELY pushing them to her, so as to abort her pregnancy? WHO ? ... and... WHY ?!Maybe they're just retarded horse brain barbarians and thought "mmm tasty berry me add to queen food make her happy."
Preston gets GRRM so right because atheist libcucks think alike
>>25231619it's crazy how most of the villains in ASOIAF (sans Ramsay) can have such nuance and complexity that instills empathy for them but every political view they have is one-dimensional, cartoony and black-and-white.
>>25231637Could you give an example?
>>25231676I went to Bubonicon and Gurm literally called Trump Hitler
>Queen you shall be... until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dearthe "more beautiful another" is Brienne, right?most people think it's Danny or Margery, but to me is cleary Brienne "the Beauty" as she is literally stealing Jamie (all that she holds dear) from Cersei
>>25231766How would Brienne be a queen? Why would she have motivation to "cast her down" other than helping Jaime betray her maybe? The potential queens would be:>MargeryShe's already taken Tommen, the realm, filled king's landing with her family, etc. If nobody else comes in she could basically have already fulfilled the prophecy. Her downfall began with Margery becoming queen.>SelyseNot younger or beautiful, can't be her.>Melisandre She's called Stanis' true queen. She's not literally younger but she appears young and beautiful and a prophecy doesn't have to be literal. If Stannis succeeds, he will kill Cersei and her children. If Stannis fails, there is still Jon there to give Mel the influence. I would say she's unlikely because she's more concerned with the Other and even if she helps take down king's landing, it's not HER priority.>SansaShe could be given the queen in the north position I guess, if Rickon is not found, but she's not really ambitious even if she keeps a grudge against Cersei. I only see her leading a fight against Cersei at someone else's behest.>AryaI guess she could be queen of winterfell if Sansa dies and Rickon is lost. She's obviously destined for other things though.>Whoever marries AegonCould be a Arianne, I think that would be the best alliance for the both of them. Quentin is dead, Dorne wants to be in bed with the Targaryens, Griff was suggested he match Aegon with her I believe. It would make sense. She also has reason to hate Cersei for killing her uncle, her cousins do especially, and even more reason to hate the Mountain, who is Cersei's new lap dog, and news will certainly spread that he's alive. What other reason do the sea snakes have to be in this story? What reason to set up Arianne and Prince Doran if all their hopes for action in Westeros would be dashed by Quentin's failure? My money is on it being Arianne.>DanyPretty straightforward, but I feel Cersei will be taken down before they ever meet.
>>25231835>How would Brienne be a queen?the prophecy doesn't mention the more beautiful one is a queen just that will steal all she holds dearBrienne is "the beaty", typical George play of words
>>25231840It doesn't say "a beauty will come" it says someone "more beautiful." Those are different things. Brienne is "a beauty" but she is not literally or figuratively "more beautiful." Beautiful is a property of a thing, "the Beauty" is a nickname/title. I don't think the wordplay would work. Also, why would she take everything Cersei holds dear? Her children? Jaime wouldn't ask Brienne to do anything against Cersei's children.>the prophecy doesn't mention the more beautiful one is a queen Yes it could be tricky wordplay, with "another" just being "another woman" or "another person." I think it is implying "another queen" though. I think George is going to be focusing on the queens quite a bit, with Littlefinger remarking on the upcoming "war of the three queens."
Stannis is Azor Ahai.
realistically, how will dany and jon fall in love in one book ? won't it feel as rushed as the show ?
>>25232391Bloodraven did matchmaking among the targaryens to bring about Azor Ahai right? Coulld be Bran says YOU MUST FUCK and Jon goes along with it and Dany is like OMG incest.
>>25231309Yeah that was cringe and retarded. Even Carmine or however you spell it was confused.
>>25232391Why do they need to fall in love anyway? Jon probably is going to be a zombie without sex urges anyway.And Danny is already in love with Daario and is married to a third guy.
What is the point of a reply that's only half done?
>>25233258Yes yes well done tolkein well done tolkein HOWEVER what if Sauron was a nympho loli with diarrhea?
>>25233282How on earth is Dany the Sauron parallel? Also, hebe.
>>25233258in other words, LotR embraced manichean conflict, so ASoIaF goes to the opposite extreme of machiavellian conflict.
>>25233258Tolkien won.
>>25232697Well because their story seems to be leading to that ?Jon is definitely going to fuck val so he will be back with sexual urgeDaario is more of a teen crush and we know she os set to marry one more time before the story ends (this time out of love instead of a forced marriage)
>>25233289>How on earth is Dany the Sauron parallel?She's the evil invader coming from the East with an army of eunuchs, mongols, and monsters.
>>25233304melisandre is manichean and supposedly misunderstood according to the fat man
>>25233460likewise, LotR had its gray areas. I was referring to the overall theme.>>25233453I can see that. My first interpretation was that she was Sauron to the slavers, since she smashes their economy & way of life and cannot be negotiated with.
>>25233258>>25233282>>25233289SaURON = EURON.The "one eye" that sees everything.n00bs ! :P>>25231203I am aware of ALL these things. ( am same anon who was >>25231189 )And I reply to you thus:There's also PLENTY of "foreshadowing" that hints at Dany + EURON.Guys, please hear it from someone who's been with the fandom since like 2006 ( !! ) :As early as pre-aDwD, there were ALREADY tons of theories out there on the web about WHAT EXACTLY would happen in the future.They were so well-developed, thought-out, logical, and cross-referencing the source material, that they almost seemed like a sealed inevitability that was BOUND to happen EXACTLY like that.Well, since then we've had 1) aDwD, 2) the GoT show (not to be taken seriously, ofc..) and 3) Tons of official side-lore in the form of "World of Ice and Fire", "Fire and Blood", etc.ALL of these pre-theories were RUINED. Like... DESTROYED.So... Like I said: >>25231189>With grrm, NEVER rely on "foreshadowing", UNLESS you are viewing it "backwards">>25231402I like your line of thought, but I feel you're being TOO LITERAL. Tyrion's "I'm dead!" is meant to be *on THE INSIDE* -- i.e. he's lost his soul and spirit, and is no longer the same man he used to be.That said, *STILL,* it _IS_ weird that JonCon did get infected, while Tyrion DID NOT.This MIGHT point to that theory where Tyrion is a secret Targ, and, as we know, Valyrians (and by extension, Targaryens) have a SIGNIFICANTLY better health and immune system than the average Westerosi.what I find MORE strange, however, is the quote you perused:>[...] he had perished long ago, back in King's Landing. >It was only his revenant who remained, the small vengeful ghost who throttled Shae and put a crossbow bolt through the great Lord Tywin[...]Sooo, the implication here is that Tyrion had "died inside" BEFORE his act of PATRICIDE (that is, IF Tywin is indeed his real father at all lol... ) and killing Shae, who, despite being only a "paramour", DID get REAL affection and passion from Tyrion.(i.e. she was more than "a whore" to him. )I don't know, really... We need context, as I honestly can't figure it out off the top of my head.*Perhaps* EARLIER in his retrospective ruminations he had mentioned some reevaluation along the lines of:"I've been half-dead ever since that Tysha thing..." ?THAT would potentially explain this all. Otherwise it genuinely doesn't make sense.(or maybe he meant that Battle of the Blackwater incident, where he lost half his face and almost his life ?? He lost A LOT of his stature within the Red Keep afterwards, with people refusing to credit him, and STILL MOCKING HIM, and the like... )>>25231415Not sure if srs, but will reply to you as if you were for REAL :No. The Dothraki aren't such idiots.In fact, one of Dany's personal handmaidens noticed her pregnancy EVEN BEFORE *DANY HERSELF* had known! :PGotta stand for something, right?.
>>25233504most euron+dany foreshadowing are pointing on them being enemies rather than lovers, even when she dreams of him he's trying to rape her, not a love dream like the one she has with jonPlus it goes beyond just foreshadowing, it's something the author himself was going around spoiling to the people working on the showyou can say all foreshadowing ponting to r+l=j is fake and jon will be someone elses son, won't change it's bound to happen
>>25231619Preston only has traction because he was (among) the first to start seriously doing this "ASOIAF YouTuber" thing waaay back in the day.He was pretty consistent at the start, and very level-headed and thorough in his analyses, and almost PROFESSIONAL, to an extent not-seen before.HOWEVER, it eventually went downhill, which leads me to disagree with your notion of:>Preston gets GRRM so rightwhich I DISAGREE with, most of all, because we are YET to find that out, with the books to come.And ALSO, because :>>25230946>Therefore, Preston's blind side and downfall is how much encapsulated he has become in his OWN section / bubble of fandom.>A following grown so fanatical, that it's isolating him & his from any potential new flow of fresh air and thought.>Personally I think he's wrong on WAY MORE things than he is CORRECT about. And that's a defect of his EGO ...>... but then eventually started talking / analysing TOO MUCH ... which, of course, starts leading to more missed shots than bullseyes.>>25231637you are contradicting yourself. How can such villains be BOTH "nuanced and complex", BUT hold "one-dimensional and cartoony" views ?! o_OReally doesn't make sense, UNLESS we are talking about...>>25231676>Could you give an example?CERSEI.She is THE ONE PoV that's like a TRUE "cartoon villain".(so in HER case, I do agree with the guy's opinion of ASOIAF villains, but ONLY for HER case. :P )>>25232430yeah, I think Bran will deffo take on the role of the new "matchmaker" and "fate-fixxer" of Westeros now.(though not NECESSARILY between Dany and Jon... Sigh... We'll see !! :P ).
>>25233517>you can say all foreshadowing ponting to r+l=j is fake and jon will be someone elses son, won't change it's bound to happenYou only think that because the fandom and tv show already settled on r+l=j being a fact for decades. So now many of the fandom expects a twist on the twist. It's no surprise that GRRM is stuck righting the remaining books if he is trying to catch up and surprise these fuckers.>acshually Jon is the son of Ned and Ashara all along, just like the rumor Catelyn believed, what a twist!
>>25233774While I do think season 8 is mostly made up fanfic from DnD, I think S6 and S7 are heavily based on things grrm actually told them that would happen in the books such as>mel bringing jon back>shireen burning>jon KITN>hodor twist>r+l=j>jon and dany fuckingof course the roads that will lead to those things may be a lot different in the books but the major points will still be there
>>25233525>How can such villains be BOTH "nuanced and complex", BUT hold "one-dimensional and cartoony" viewsMaybe I could've written it better. I'm saying that George writes nuanced villains who think they're the heroes of their own story, who want good to come from their actions, but then goes and sees his political enemies irl as black-and-white ne'er-do-wells who are ONLY in politics for their own gain and can't possibly care about the future of the nation.
>>25233774Didn't George pose the question "Who are Jon Snow's true parents?" as a test to pick the show runners? If it's not R + L then he has to have changed it.
>>25234035He asked them who his mother was. The L in R + L = J is more or less confirmed and set in stone. Jon is 100% Lyanna's son. It's the father part that George has wiggle room in if he wants a twist.
Prime Robert Baratheon vs Gregor Clegane, who wins?
>>25234622>guy who has never lost a fight vs a guy who has never won a fight
>>25233460>When Craster's wives brought onions, he seized one eagerly. One side was black with rot, but he cut that part off with his dagger and ate the good half raw. - A Storm of Swords - Samwell IIGurm using his self insert to troll mel
Preston is mostly wrong and over-complicates theories
Nymeria has rabies and gave Joffrey rabies when she bit him. That's why he went crazy towards the end of AGoT and ordered Ned's execution.
>>25234881Wrong, Quentyn IS alive and Qyburn is Oberyn's plant.
people with rabies don't live for 6 months after contracting it
>>25235348how theon survived in the dungeons of the dreadford with open wonds while eating rats and didn't die of sepsis?meanwhile vargo hoat started to die because brienne bit his ear
>>25235359Boltons have a lot of primitive medical knowledge to torture people better and Vargo Hoat got cosmically unlucky for comedic effectwithout treatment, rabies is the most deadly disease known to man and there is only 1 (one) documented case in all of human history of someone contracting rabies and surviving it without getting vaccinated
>>25235343>>25235345Jesus Christ George, please save us from ourselves and release Winds.
>>25216234Where's the decadence, the debauchery, the hedonism. For all the pearl clutching about how disgusting this franchise is, the actual books are tame by comparison. Infact the show is unnecessarily pornographic in comparison
>>25235693current day george cannot even be bothered to blogpost, how do you expect him to release a book?
>A servant approached. "Bread," Tyrion told him, "and two of those little fish, and a mug of that good dark beer to wash them down. Oh, and some bacon. Burn it until it turns black." The man bowed and moved off.was it foreshadowing
>>25219252>JonsaI wonder if this would cause a narusaku/ichiruki level meltdown
>>25235855>Black Bacon Tyrion will eat Sam confirmed
>>25219252jon is dead and months travel away in the vale
>>25235972No, it ain't as nearly popular as those, on other hand I wonder how people will react if all foreshadows and hints pointing to jonerys/snowstorm ends up leading to nowhere
Will wind of winter be released today?
>>25236228It will be released when the sun rises in the west and sets in the east. When the seas go dry and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves...
>>25234881>>25235345>>25235693I've heard the "Quentyn is ALIVE" theory, but NOT from Preston.Personally, I'd express that I'm ... very diplomatically ... "NOT *dismissive*" of it. There.Now, that thing about:>Qyburn is Oberyn's plantI had NEVER heard about.Is it one of Preston's fanfic inventions? Lol>>25235731>current day george cannot even be bothered to blogpost, how do you expect him to release a book?maybe that's EXACTLY what's going on tho?His total blog silence ...(now going on for 9 weeks, which is an absolute record for his blog, as far as I'm aware)... is actually TELLING that something really IS cooking with regards to Winds ?... :O(this also fits with the postulated "leaked info" about Martin being instructed by publishers to keep silent, so as to allow the hype to build...)>>25235711the show is NOT "unnecessarily pornographic", it just turns the extra-R-rated moments from the book into SHOCK EFFECT, without the actual deep impact and internal layering.Rather, you COULD say, it's "INAPROPRIATELY and INEPTLY graphic".btw, @ OP : >>25216234>SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdythat website is just an empty blank orange-background for me, with a Google search bar in the top left.There's literally NOTHING (else) in it...Curiously, it makes my processor's fan rev up for some reason when I open this website.
>>25236225>I wonder how people will react if all foreshadows and hints pointing to jonerys/snowstorm ends up leading to nowhereok, I get "Jonerys", but ...>snowstorm?! Say what.
>>25236544Shippers hated jon killing dany in the show so they chose to name their book counterpart "snowstorm"
>>25235693Dude give it up. It's been 15 years. 15 fucking years since the last one. That's way more than enough time to write a fantasy slopfest. It's not gonna happen. Anons who say Winds will come but Dream will remain a Dream are simply coping. Winds is never coming out.
This series has become a minegold there will obviously be a remake of the show in the future (promising to be more faithful to the books) and they know nobody will watch it if the books aren't finished So yes the books are coming one way or other but ADOS won't be written by fatman
Pick one book>Complete 1st Blackfyre Rebellion>End of Egg's reign (Summerhall and the lead up to it)
>>25236653can't wait for black catelyn and sansathe villains will stay white though
the only reason they haven't got a group of writers to finish the books yet is because they know martin is a bitch and will start seething about corporation "stealing" his work and saying it's not his canon so they're just waiting for him to die
>>25236730It's the elephant in the room to be sure. No doubt there was a lot of people getting hot under the collar after that one tranny told him to his face that someone else was going to finish the books after he dies.
>>25216234Just started my first rewatch in 8 years lads
I was watching this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMP5E2RW_Ng) and the faggot says>it's Ned's fault for not listening to the excuses of a deserter from the Night's Watch.Why is this faggot opinion so common? "um, tradition is bad okay?"Gared should've reported to Mormont and stayed there in the Wall, even if they didn't believe him, to make them at least know where Waymar Royce's corpse was last seen. Eddard did the right thing by beheading that craven retard.
>>25231029Dany will fuck Drogon and give birth to some thing
>>25237170Jon will fuck Drogon and give birth to an ice spider
>>25237007>be ned stark >you're from the very family that built the wall to stop a repeat of the apocalypse >hurr durr da norf remembers >gared is the fourth person to desert that year >your brother tells you they keep losing rangers recently >your southron wife who should give zero shits about the ice elves tells you maybe something is up >dismiss it all as old wives tales
>>25237181I forgot to mention their house words are literally winter is coming lmaooooSeriously. What was Ned's problem?
>>25236653>written by fatmanhe's ozempicman now
>>25235855>Oh, and some bacon. Burn it until it turns black."Literally nobody eats bacon like this.
just the way i like it
>>25233855>mel bringing jon backWhy is he armored in black ice in that one dream then? That seems like an ice wight thing.
>>25235855>and a mug of that good dark beer to wash them down.Everyone talks about "<character> streches his legs" in Harry Potter, but no one talks about literally every meal in asoiaf ending with "washing it down" with arbor wine, ale, or beer
>>25236540>I had NEVER heard about.>Is it one of Preston's fanfic inventions? LolIt's probably in the fanfic but it's from his original Dornish Master Plan series that's probably 10 years old by now.He's also a "Jaqen, Rorg and Biter were sent to the Wall to kill bloodraven" kinda guy.
15 years to the day since George made the final edit to Dance.Are we feeling good?
>>25237599no?
>>25237599>Comments are disabled for this postWhat a fucking thin-skin he is, I didn’t realize it went this far back
shieeeeeet chyoo know what time it istime for Morning Throners!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx80YoVpqcs
>>25237782He must've disabled comments after season 1 of GoT ended and the number of comments exploded
I just finished reading every single book in Sanderson’s Cosmere. My options now are to reread the Wheel of Time (which I haven’t read since I was 21), reread the Lord of the Rings (which I haven’t read since I was 10), or read ASOIAF (which I haven’t read since I was (13)I am leaning towards LotR, UNLESS you shitters genuinely believe we are getting Winds this year or next year like leaks say, in which case I will probably reread ASOIAF. So what’s the word?
>>25238301>I just finished reading every single book in Sanderson’s CosmereWhat did you think of it? I've only read Mistborn era 1, secret history, and WoK so far. Sitting on starting WoR right now, I might read a few other books in the interim like BotNS and Earthsea. I also haven't read LotR since I was 10 so I wanted to reread it too. I know most people are saying Sanderson is losing it though, idk if his most recent books have made up for Wind and Truth's backlash.>UNLESS you shitters genuinely believe we are getting Winds this year or next year like leaks say, in which case I will probably reread ASOIAF. asoiaf is such a pageturner that you could reread asoiaf the day Winds is announced and be done before it's out. I wouldn't worry about it at all. Personally I just reread a random chapter every month. The Theon sample chapter for Winds almost made me cry. I really hope he finishes it, but I have my doubts.
>>25238301Winds is not coming out this ever. Atleast not until Martin is alive
>>25238360I liked Wind and Truth. There are few lines that are pretty bad but overall the book was filled with shit that I enjoyed, as someone who is more focused on the Cosmere as a whole than just RosharTo be honest a lot of his dialogue rubs me the wrong way. Someone will say something quirky and then someone will go “erm…… did you just say something quirky?” and then it goes back and forth, and I see that shit in too many of his books. But I really do love the Cosmere’s scale, and appreciate the niche that Sanderson fills. Mistborn era 2 is far better written than era 1
.I'm honestly extremely CONFUSED by the vast amount of posts in this thread who say stuff like:>Winds is never coming out>15 years in the making, how much longer ??>when is fatty fa9 gonna die ??I understand what "disappointment" is, but honestly, these types of characters sound more like people who WISHED it did not come out.LIke... seriously ?! You DON'T want it to be out ?! o_O...>>25237181>>25237185>>25237007plot twist:Ned actually fully believed him, and had even KNOWN IN ADVANCE about the looming White Walkers / Others threat.HOWEVER, he chooses to NOT ACT on it, as for some reason that's precisely what he wants to bring about ! >=D>>25236730Well, technically, Martin *DOES* have "HELPERS" and the like, who assist him when cross-referencing across multiple contents, which SIGNIFICANTLY easens his load.>>25236739what incident are you referring to? Genuinely no clue what you're on about.>>25236586oh, ok. Cheers.>>25236653>there will obviously be a remake of the show in the future (promising to be more faithful to the books)agreed.Personally, I think it'd be pretty rad if they make it an animation, like "Clone Wars".(which is NOT to preclude a live-action remake IN ADDITION to that. Why not BOTH ? xD )>and they know nobody will watch it if the books aren't finished... why not.. ? I honestly don't get what you mean.It seems to me all the more likely that MORE people will watch it IF the book Saga is NOT finished...>>25237537care for a QRD of the "Qyburn is Oberyn's plant" thingy?I've read TONS about MANY "Dornish Plan" theories, but this particular detail is honestly a first hear from me.Are you sure you aren't confused??>He's also a "Jaqen, Rorg and Biter were sent to the Wall to kill bloodraven" kinda guy.lol... by whom ?! Varys ?? o_OThe "Faceless Men grand Conspiracy" is probably half-right, but it's NOT Preston's brainchild.PLUS I don't remember Bloodraven being involved in it, like, AT ALL, at the time I used to follow it...Is this a recent developmental branch of theorizing regarding the FM conspiracy or something ??>>25237782It wasn't always the case, see here:>>25238137>He must've disabled comments after season 1 of GoT endedya, but not *EXACTLY.* ...GoT really EXPLODED in popularity by season 4 or so. THAT'S when GRRM must have felt too immense a pressure on his online persona to begin to take stricter measures for his blog.EVEN SO, he never actually "disabled comments", at least not outright. .
>>25238394>There are few lines that are pretty bad but overall the book was filled with shit that I enjoyedYeah I can imagine that given that of all the complaints about the book it's basically like two pages that get reposted on reddit and /sffg/, and there's some jokes that fall horribly flat in Mistborn 1. There was also one chapter of The Way of Kings that stood out to me as terrible in an overall good book. I can't say anything else because I'm avoiding reading spoilers for book 5 when I'm on book 2 but I did hear something about people being concerned about how the Cosmere is tying itself together and making everything else "mandatory reading" as time goes on.>>25238416holy newfag mass reply>these types of characters sound more like people who WISHED it did not come out.Those people think he's never going to get it finished and the only way Winds can come out is by him dying and the publisher forcing a release of the 1200 manuscript pages he's finished. Elio basically admitted this in the unpaywalled part of his interview with RedTeamReview- "Winds will come out, one way or another." >care for a QRD of the "Qyburn is Oberyn's plant" thingy?it's pretty long just go watch the theory video but the short version is that Qyburn is there to resurrect the Mountain so the Martells can publicly ruin Cersei when he sells her out by revealing that Robert Strong is the Mountainhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TBfdd_xNVo&list=PLCsx_OFEYH6uvfZSfec35DXBEpvA9fpm0>lol... by whom ?! Varys ??Maybe? the House of Black and White was paid Blackfyre gold for something, the theory is that they hired three faceless men to find and kill Bloodraven, and that's why they were headed to the Wall. Then the glass candles started working and they got interrupted by the war in the Riverlands on their way up, so they changed tactics and sent Jaqen south to infiltrate the Citadel to get the candle and use it to find Bloodraven. My personal theory is that all this will culminate in Arya being sent back to Westeros to assassinate the Three-Eyed Crow, not knowing that it is Bran.>but it's NOT Preston's brainchild.Most of Preston's ideas aren't his own, they're westeros.org posts that no one made youtube videos on. The guy who made most of Preston's ideas got permab& from westeros, so he can't really complain about plagiarism either.btw, we don't do emoticons on this website and I'd discourage you from continuing using them.
>>25230952What's the good fanfic?
What was his tax policy?
Now that the dust has settled, was he retarded?
>>25238301>So what’s the word?go for Joe Abercrombie:"Best Served Cold" and "The Heroes" are good standalone go-tos.(and, imho, MUCH BETTER than his famed trilogy "The First Law" which initially made him famous; they are set in the same universe. TFL trilogy gets MINDBLOWINGLY good by like late book 2 to book 3, but rest is kinda meh. Still WAY above your average fantasy attempt, and precisely right down your GRRM alley, tho, so you can't go wrong. )I haven't followed Joe Abercrombie for a long time, but current consensus among his fandom seems to be that EVERYTHING he produced after Red Country (which is ALSO in same above Universe, and also kinda good as a standalone) has been his absolute BEST, beating everything prior to it (above-mentioned stuff included) by miles.Though I can't testify to that myself, as I haven't read anything by him since like 2015.After 2015, there are two major branches of his work, which BOTH have garnered immense praise as being his "BEST EVA", by a long shot:1) "Sharp Ends" -- collections of (short) stories set in the same world as TFL.2) A recent "Age of Madness" Saga that's in a completely new Universe.As already said: Fandom consensus is they're both SO GOOD, that it's almost like it's an entirely new person / author compared to his earlier stuff. Stellar praise all-round....THEN...PATRICK ROTHFUSS.Specifically his "Kingkiller Chronicle" trilogy, which, as yet, has only had two books completed (2007 and 2011), with the third being in development hell since 2011 (sound familiar ?? xD )ADMITTEDLY, I haven't read him myself, but consensus is that, if you like Martin, you'll similarly adore Rothfuss....AND ALSO:Steven Erikson's "Malazan Book of the Fallen" saga.I am critical of it myself, although ASOIAF lovers seem to like it.I've read the first 3 books, and stopped, as it was too much torture. Admittedly, the 2nd one (Deadhouse Gates) was REALLY good.Wasn't too impressed.HOWEVER, consensus is that it's precisely at Book 4 where things really start picking up for the saga, with it being maybe THE BEST book in the Saga, with the rest following on a similarly strong note.It's a very weird world and chronology, keep in mind, though.It's not a "in sequence" story, but rather parallel universes, and even TIMELINES parallelling each other and converging and diverging simultaneously, all the time..
>>25239514>if you like Martin, you'll similarly adore Rothfuss
>>25239514>2) A recent "Age of Madness" Saga that's in a completely new Universe.Wrong. It's in the same universe as The First Law, set like 30 years later. >EVERYTHING he produced after Red Country (which is ALSO in same above Universe, and also kinda good as a standalone) has been his absolute BEST, beating everything prior to it (above-mentioned stuff included) by miles.Only if his older works were too male-dominated and not diverse enough for you.
>>25236548FACT CHECKED BY TRUE PURE-BLOODED RIVERLANDERSMAKE THE TRIDENT GREAT AGAN
>>25238301>UNLESS you shitters genuinely believe we are getting Winds this year or next year like leaks sayIt's never coming out
The winds of waiting
fatman should just accept he isn't capable of painting himself out of the corner by himselfyou can't surprise the fandom after two decades of speculation and theories, fatman. give upjust take that L and either make a shit ending like the show or get preston to cowrite the ending with himfatman must hate preston so much for figuring him out 12 years ago with time traveling bran
>>25238301Winds will unironically never be out. So it really doesn't amke a difference if you reread ASOIAF now or a few years later. I'd personally say reread LOTR
>>25240015Preston Jacobs' Winds fanfic is going to be the only closure we get
>>25240571Not so. GRRM wants his own Silmarillion and will have his stuff published posthumously in fragments by some motherfucker who isn’t a tenth as dedicated to GRRM’s writings as Christopher Tolkien was to his father’s.
>>25240717>GRRM wants his own SilmarillionI thought he called world of ice and fire his silmarillion, once he’s done with the second half of fire and blood his world building should be complete, everything we need to know about the history is already in woiaf and anything more would ruin it, George prefers the past to be shrouded in mystery then fully realized. Unless maybe he does another in universe history book like the Jade Compendium or something. That would be sick. Would love to know more about the founders of the empire of the dawns war with the black stone lizard fish people
>>25240717Warhammer 40k pumps out new books every year, its no biggie
Martin is so fucking weak, the show is better because it has an ending
>>25240887did he really say that?
>>25239548well, it's not MY opinion. I just quote the reviews / takes of those who have read both.Would you say that it's a WRONG / inaccurate idea, then? :O>>25240015>>25240571lol @ the Preston praise... You guys really have NO CLUE, do you?Only reason why that guy (PJ) has ANY clout is because he was (among) THE FIRST to do YouTube ASOIAF, with a semi-professional and dedicated approach, that actually was a level-headed and analytical loical take, as opposed to a "raving fanboy" type of stuff.Otherwise, he's more *MISS* than "HIT". :PHe got A LOT right, mostly in his early stuff -- though it wasn't exactly "original" -- just synthesized off westeros forums (or reddit) and "translated" into video-presentation format for more convenient consumption.LATER, though, he degenerated into practically *"INVENTING"* stuff to either fit his own "prism" or "grand-design" unifying theory, OR, he was overlapping with his own personal fanfic.Honestly, I can't even blame him for his obsessive descent into theorizing about everything-and-anything.We are ALL so hunger-starved for tWoW, that we start to invent our own personal realities associated with it.What I *DO* blame him for, though, is for taking the role of an ASOIAF "superstar" or the like, when in reality all he is (or WAS) is just a good PRESENTER / SYNTHESIZER of already-available / procured info.>>25239549>Wrong. It's in the same universe as The First Law, set like 30 years later.oh?My bad, wasn't aware. Or, rather... I was MISLED by reviews and synopses... ~_~>Only if his older works were too male-dominated and not diverse enough for you.really? THAT'S what's being thrown around? Meh. With characters like Monza Murcatto (from Best Served Cold), I can't imagine how ANYONE could have complaints about "toxic masculinity" and "lack of diversity" in early books... O_Oseriously...
>>25240963stop using emoticons and lurk moar, newfag
>>25240963same anon, contd.alright, so I have this extra-weird theory about the delay of Winds, hear me out:It COULD be that the book was already completed LONG ago (like 2018-19), OR was at least CLOSE-enough to completion.Knowing Martin, he'd DELAY IT, to match the release date with something else. Sorta how Dance came out in 2011 to match with Game of Thrones season 1.He was probably counting on one of his spin-off shows getting greenlit, and thus matching Winds' release with THAT.Now, of course, 2020 is when COVID pretty much stopped the World, in preparation for the World War -- which Martin probably didn't account for.THEREFORE, since his plan was ruined, he just kept on writing stuff for A Dream of Spring.So NOW, he's waiting for the World to un-block again from its clottedness and closures reated to the War and Pestilence (and soon - FAMINE), to publish TWOW + ADOS at once.Just a THEORY, of course, but it kinda makes sense when you think about it..ALSO, it's kinda funny how the Darkest time in his Saga matches with our own "Darkest Time" timeline of current World Events.Like... SERIOUSLY.We're practically in WW3 right now, and it almost seems like even SURVIVING THE WINTER is a too-tall order.Is it really a stretch to say that OUR OWN WORLD is on the very brink of imminent mass-extinction, MUCH THE SAME WAY that Westeros is in its apocalyptic throes in Martin's Saga's World ?? :PJust food for thought... Think in terms of parallels and synchronicities is all I'm saying.---ANOTHER THING:Could be there was some other reason for the delay that had NOTHING to do with Martin's writing. Think of it this way:Related to his hyper-speed rise to world-class FAME after GoT got big, he practically acquired the status of world-class SUPERSTAR.Now... that *MIGHT* have _SEEMED_ good for him and us book fans AT FIRST... BUT ... on the flip-side there's also the negative aspect that, along with his fame, he also...... acquired many-many ENEMIES.Think rabid feminists and the like -- religious fanatics, rednecks, hordes of low-IQ apes, etc.Practically the same types of people who couldn't accept Killary's loss in 2016 elections and instead chose to blame it on "Russian Interference" LOL ...So they resorted to a mass-attack on Trump, trying to bring HIM down, with all types of made-up shit.Don't forget that Martin, after all, writes about POWER STRUGGLES.Some disgruntled femoid out there could have easily decided that she didn't like the way he wrote bitches like Cersei (even tho, objectively, that's EXACTLY what a woman in "power" ends up like lol ...), ......so she called her girlfriends and they teamed up to gang-stalk and harass GRRM.He had to deal with shit like THAT, so it got in the way of his writing.JUST A THEORY.peace.
>>25241022>>25240963>>25239514This happens to the brain if you read the books and not just watching the show
>>25238440>Most of Preston's ideas aren't his own, they're westeros.org posts that no one made youtube videos on. The guy who made most of Preston's ideas got permab& from westeros, so he can't really complain about plagiarism either.Why did they ban him
Do we know anything about valyrian religion? It's clear why Aegon "converted" to the 7 during the conquest, but I find it odd that we don't hear anything about pre-conquest religion in Valyria, or some kind of return to their old faith (if it existed at all) after they were solidified in their position, at least not in the main series. Has the fat man written anything about it?
>>25241305They worshipped the 3 chaos gods, the eternal enemies of the 7 lords of light
>>25241413>They worshipped the 3 chaos godsVhagar, the war god Balerion, the blood god Meraxes the fire god
>>25241305by the time the Doom happened the Valyrians had become so decadent and materialistic that no one took their original ethno-religion seriously anymore
>>25225008the fook is ned doing in Chaotic evil?
>>25239310Shouldn't have fucked another mans woman after making her testify against him in court.
>>25241544They're were basically the Roman Empire, Atlantis, and the Nazis all lumped into one big ball of messed up blood magic.
>>25241166>1166ch0cked the g0t.Well, nah man, I *HAVE* watched the show.Been with the books since 2006-7. Then with the show since 2011 (i.e. its DEBUT.)>>25241177ch0cked the g0t.>Why did they ban himIt was probably because he was TOO PRECISE in his predictions / analysis and that pissed people off.(It has happened to me on r/asoiaf around 2013 or so, when I suggested an idea that eventually other boarders used for their "Grand Faceless Men conspiracy + BOLT-ON" theories, ALTHOUGH I "only" got TEMP-shadow-banned, as opposed to full-on banned.)OR, it could be that the admins / mods simply teamed up on the poor fella and erased any recognition of his contributions, while greedily grabbing them for themselves. DUH. :Pseriously, tho, I genuinely AM CURIOUS, if the guy >>25238440 (ch0cked the g0t, btw, 440) has any more info on that matter.btw, regarding this:>it's pretty long just go watch the theory video lol, it's 9 minutes. NINE. That "pretty long" to you ? xD anyway...>but the short version is that Qyburn is there to resurrect the Mountain [to] publicly ruin Cerseithis doesn't really work out tho, due to the chronology. Qyburn has a solid back-story (disgraced from the Citadel due to Necromancy), PLUS he appears in the story before Martell has departed for KL, OR there are any present grounds / developms that would suggest Qyburn would eventually have to serve the Lannisters AND/OR apply his skills for The Mountain.PLUS this theory has to assume that Oberyn somehow lost the duel "on purpose".ty for qrd, tho imo it's WAY off.However, OTOH, THIS I can buy into completely:>Maybe? the House of Black and White was paid Blackfyre gold for something, the theory is that they hired three faceless men to find and kill Bloodraven, and that's why they were headed to the Wall.>glass candles>Arya unknowingly slays Branyep, sounds like perfect GRRM irony. Love it! :)>>25241305>>25241413>>25241505>>25241544no clue about the Valyrians' original "religion / beliefs", BUT, latest deep analyses of lore + careful examination seem to suggest they were originally CATTLE-HERDERS. Like... WAY BACK in the day.From THEN ON, it is suggested that perhaps they initially had their own idol-like statues, similarly to Mirri Maz Duur's tribe & peoples that got raided and raped by Drogo in book 1.>>25241705nah, Nazis' eugenicism is exaggerated. They were really more into necromancy. (so, it would rather fit that THE OTHERS, given their blue eyes, pale skin and flaxen hair, were the OG Nazis of Westeros, given that they practically established a 1000-yr-old Long Reich. (ok, long NIGHT ... :P ) )Reportedly, STALIN was the one who wanted to have APE SOLDIERS, so maybe Valyrians = Communists ?? Fits with their LOVE OF RED color and symbolism too.>>25241701Chances are Shae was already planted by Tywin to "tail" his son from aGoT. He had planned it all in advance.OR, at THE LEAST, he himself had fucked her in the past while he was Hand..
all theories are >this contrived plotline is actually Bloodraven/Bran manipulating thing from behind the scenes
>>25243203The pink letter? Lemongate? Valonqar?
I wonder if GRRM came up with the concept of the Elden Ring. I think at the end it's supposed to work similar to the elven rings in LOTR?
>george liked show sansaHas he gone senile?
>>25243877maybe he's just a horny old man?
How do Osha, Rickon and a bigass direwolf get to Skagos without anybody knowing?
>>25244144swim
>>25243877george wrote sansa thinking of the bitchy stacies who rejected him when he was a young man, so he was cool with torturing her for being a vapid cuntsophie turner on the set and promo tours must have acted like the granddaughter he never had, and made fatman develop more sympathy for the character/prestonmodeoff
Soon ;)
>>25242833>no clue about the Valyrians' original "religion / beliefs", BUT, latest deep analyses of lore + careful examination seem to suggest they were originally CATTLE-HERDERS. Like... WAY BACK in the day.incorrect, the Valyrians were originally shepherds, ie sheep-herders. From those humble beginnings, they became masters of western Essos by gaining control of dragons and blood/fire magic, that is until their volcanic chain erupted and nuked them out of existence. Still, they had a hell of a run.btw, they did have some sort of native religion; from the Volantis lede:>There, only the noble families who can trace their descent back to the Valyrian Freehold are allowed to live. They are known as the Old Blood, and many of them still keep the old gods of Valyria. Outside of the Black Walls, however, R'hllor is favored by both freemen and slaves.anyway, random thoughts:the 3 slaver cities all use different suffixes.>Astapori>Yunkish>Meereenesejust a detail, but I think it's a nice touch.More significantly, it occurred to me that the whole incident on the Bridge of Dream may have been tied to Garin's Curse, which was triggered by the presence of Targaryen blood. This supports Aegon being the real deal, or at least a Blackfyre.
>>25243380>I wonder if GRRM came up with the concept of the Elden Ring. Well, yes... He *IS* the "creative mind" behind this video game, having pretty much composed ALL of its lore / story from scratch.>I think at the end it's supposed to work similar to the elven rings in LOTR?NO.The "Erd tree" in Elden Ring = the row of Weirwoods that make up the Wall (and potentially WINTERFELL's CRYPTS TOO).(the inspirational extension of ALL this is, of course, the WORLD TREE (Yggdrasil) from Norse Mythology ...)Marika from Elden Ring = The Other / Night's King tied up to the Weirwood beneath the Nightfort @ the Wall.( OR, he could be in Winterfell's Crypts too ... )See here:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQU5tk4i1Cs(and,of course, also make sure to check out RELATED vids / topics ... :P )>>25244699>george wrote sansa thinking of the bitchy stacies who rejected him when he was a young manlol... George's FIRST wife was an easy 9/10 for 60s standards. Pretty sure he got around with women quite well, given his Art / Guild connections.They broke off on BAD terms, tho, which -- yeah -- potentially gave him a HUGE misogynistic edge to some of his works, especially for ASOIAF.Sansa is only ONE of a string of badly-wound-up women in this work.>>25244144I think a better question is "WHY?" on SKAGOS, out of all places ??It's 1) TOO dangerous, 2) too difficult TO GET TO, and 3) hard to GET OUT OF.Personally, I have this theory that all this talk about "Skagos" was thrown around as DISINFORMATION to throw off Rickon's pursuers.Kinda like he and Bran were announced "dead" in Clash of Kings, but were, in fact, all the time hiding in the Crypts of Winterfell, EVEN AS IT WAS BURNING down to the ground. Insane.>>25245090>look to the west>Soon ;)umm... look "to the west" ... from ... FROM WHERE ?! ;D.
>>25245494>George's FIRST wife was an easy 9/10 for 60s standards. Pretty sure he got around with women quite wellyeah, rightstop shitposting and go finish the damn book, George
What did everyone think of the latest morning throners episode?
>>25245494
same anon as:>>25242833and>>25245494replying to>>25245126>incorrect, the Valyrians were originally shepherds, ie sheep-herders.sigh... OK, I said "CATTLE-herders" .... sure, that's a "HUGE" difference... -_- ... Congratz to you on being SO technically-correct! :)>btw, they did have some sort of native religion; from the Volantis lede:>There, only the noble families who can trace their descent back to the Valyrian Freehold are allowed to live.just WHERE is this "THERE" ? :O>They are known as the Old Blood, and many of them still keep the old gods of Valyriayeah, ok, but it doesn't SPECIFICALLY say just WHO these "Old Gods of Valyria" were...With such scarce info, one might just as well assume that the "author" of these histories is INVENTING things... :P>the 3 slaver cities all use different suffixes. just a detail, but I think it's a nice touch.>AstaporI >YunkISH >MeereenESEFirst of all, there are MORE cities in Essos that employ Slavery (though are NOT considered "Slaver cities" ), who have YET MORE varying possessive suffixes, though SOME repeat :for the culture of Old Ghis, it's GhisCARIfor the culture of Rhoyne, it's RhoynAR.Volantis - VolantENE, Lys - LysENEPentos - PentoSH(i)then all the rest are either -ISH (like MyrISH) or -I (BraavosI), unless I'm missing something.Qohor and Qarth I think are just -IAN.sooo what exactly grips you about this detail? You said: "just a detail, but I think it's a nice touch."What's that about it? :O>>25245126>it occurred to me that the whole incident on the Bridge of Dream may have been tied to Garin's Curse, which was triggered by the presence of Targaryen blood.>This supports Aegon being the real deal, or at least a Blackfyre.actually, MOST people believe that Tyrion was the trigger, as, after all, it was HIM that the "Underwater Stone Men" went after to try to drown.As for (f)Aegon being "at least a Blackfyre", that has been pretty much set in stone since the moment he appeared, or at least after Tyrion had his own internal misgivings about him through his own PoV.Interestingly, there are some fringe theories out there that strongly support he might be a Dayne (which have always been a house VERY closely-related to the Targs ).
>>25225008Wow bro, you really subverted my expectations
>>25240887>>25240915>did he really say that?I doubt it, but IF he did, there's a high chance he was being SARCASTIC regarding the majority of fantasy writers at the time, who were doing exactly that:Edging-on their audience of readers with promises to wrap-up a lengthy ongoing book series "soon", when in reality they never intended to do so. Instead they dragged it on forever, for maximum profit.Funnily enough" Realistically and comparatively, despite the flak Martin gets for his recent "strayings" in his Saga, he's actually quite a succinct and to-the-point writer.Only exception is, of course, A Dance with Dragons, which IS bloated and unfulfilling, especially considering the wait we endured to finally get it.(and also, his compendiums "Fire & Blood" and "World of Ice and Fire" really were something that could have WAITED for post-Winds release, given their significantly lower priority in fans' expectations... ).
>>25246404the dating market in the 80s/90s was something else reallyeven being a feminist cuck like George nowadays doesn't cut it anymore
>>25246453>sigh...>OK, I said "CATTLE-herders" .... sure, that's a "HUGE" difference... -_- ... Congratz to you on being SO technically-correct! :)I get what you're saying, but details matter!>just WHERE is this "THERE" ? :Owithin the Black Walls of Volantis. the quote specifies that later, although maybe I should've clarified with more text.>yeah, ok, but it doesn't SPECIFICALLY say just WHO these "Old Gods of Valyria" were...>With such scarce info, one might just as well assume that the "author" of these histories is INVENTING things... :Pfair enough, but the wiki clarifies under Valyrian_Freehold#Religion with refs, and this confirms what other anons said about Balerion, Meraxes, Vhagar, and Syrax.>YET MORE varying possessive suffixes, though SOME repeatthat's true, after I posted, it occurred to me that other cities in Essos uses reiterated & varied suffixes, like Ibbenese or Volantene as you said. idk, it just seems like cool wordplay, that's all.>actually, MOST people believe that Tyrion was the trigger, as, after all, it was HIM that the "Underwater Stone Men" went after to try to drown.that's a good point, although it's possible that the stone men went after the wrong target, being crazed zombies and all.I bring that up because I've noticed a fair amount of skepticism regarding fAegon. To address one criticism -->how would they know that the pisswater prince would be unrecognizable?because while the girl was old enough to be recognizable, Aegon was a baby, thus easily mistaken for another baby even without it being mangled.That said, we can't be sure until Winds comes out, and GRRM procrastinates harder than I did in high school, so here we are.
you think grrm will still have pedo relationships in the books such as dany and daario in the next books if they ever comes out ?
>>25246957it's been so long since people read the book, they think dany is in her mid 30s like in the show
>>25246467>>25246742I really wish you would shut the fuck up and stop posting.
>>25247003Recently dipped back into the first book, and it's stated that Dany turned 14 when she was impregnated by Khal Drogo.Other interesting stuff there too, like Bran's dream that foreshadows undead Gregor/Robert Strong.It really seems like the fat man planned things out well in advance.>>25247104why might that be, bitch ass nigga? so the threads can be as moribund as the series?
>oy vey asoiaf channels viewership is plummetinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Lly1ACHWk
>>25247104>>25247247I think he meant this faggot >>25245494
>>25247268lol yea, you're probly right, just got caught in the crossfire.I don't mind that dood personally, but I see why you might object.
>>25247262Every year of no book is another year of decline. There's less to discuss as we scrape and scrape the bottom of the barrel.Though listening to C*rmine complain about how if Winds comes out he'll need to be worried about spoilers "because of AI" was really funny. He's forgotten how bad spoilers were in 2011 when Dance came out and JonSnowDies was on the top of the Starcraft 2 ladderboard, courtesy of a guy from /vg/. Or even everyone listing off all of the deaths when the last Harry Potter book came out. Or even Snape kills Dumbledore. As if AI is the reason you have to avoid spoilers lol. Gonna really suck when the leaks drop a few weeks before publication though and it becomes impossible to avoid.
>>25247300I think he means that people will not even read the book, just run the text on the LLM and get all the plotpoint and deaths in a second.That being said, the book will probably be spoiled before it even goes to printing by a leak on this very webite.
>>25216234I want Euron to fulfill his potential and awaken his Mythical Zoan: Type Kraken.
This fandom is full of retards, it sucks being high IQ and having to interact with all the fucking low frequency riff raff
>>25247888ok, preston
>>25246686I honestly don't get what you're trying to convey AT ALL with what you just wrote lol...that photo is from like the 70s btw.>>25246957>>25247003>>25247247lol I now remembered that Daario sodomizes Dany in book 5.(it's not explicit tho -- text basically states something along the lines of: "That night, he had her every which way it was possible for a man to take a woman." -- so the anal sex is implied )I'm guessing book 6 won't have Dany sex scenes, due to A) "Daario" disappearing and B) Dany being in no "condition" to perform sexual activity.(well, unless she gets GANG-RAPED by the Khalasar that just found her or something lol... now THAT'd be suh-weeett !! >=D )>>25247300>He's forgotten how bad spoilers were in 2011 when Dance came out and JonSnowDies was on the top of the Starcraft 2 ladderboard, courtesy of a guy from /vg/lol, that happened WAY AFTER Dance released in July tho... Like probably in Autumn-Winter.Pretty sure you're getting confused there, with something else.>>25247888ch0cked the g0tAs someone who's been with the books since 2006, I would have fully agreed with you, had you expressed this like way back in 2014-15 when GoT was just starting to get big, and every newly-converted show-to-book forum poster was making a fool of himself by thinking he'd figured it all out with this "amazing new theory no one's figured out yet 1!!1"HOWEVER, now that so much time has passed, I'm afraid we were ALL made Time's Fool.Was it GRRM's intention to string us all along like that from the start ? I don't think so, but it could have emerged as a sinister idea of his at some later point, to just go "screw you all! You get NUTHIN'. Good day, sirs!"
>>25247837>jumps into the ocean>immediately sinks and dies
When did you accept we're not getting winds?
>>25247982We might get winds, we won't get Dream though
>>25247992everyone knows George is taking this long because he's writing both books at the same time
>>25248056a dance with dragons was wrote simultaniously and still took 5 years to finishand besides, a dream of spring being chronologically afterwards winds is a 100% guarantee that fatman won't release it without at least 10 rewrites "gardening writing" and shiet
>>25246453Qohorik
>>25247949>so the anal sex is implieddon't this means only the ways dany knows ? maybe she doesn't even knows about anal sex being a thing ?>book 6 won't have Dany sex scenesit will have jon having sex with val so probably notwe'll probably only see her having sex again in ados with jon
>>25247982>When did you accept we're not getting winds?Probably around 2020, after the "imprison me in a cabin if TWOW isn't finished by summer" debacle.
>>25248441>Qohorikthat's another good one. what can I say, I'm an appreciator of cool details like that.>>25248684>don't this means only the ways dany knows ? maybe she doesn't even knows about anal sex being a thing ?The use of unreliable narrator is established, so it's possible. For example, when Arya gets the token for the Faceless Men, she assumes the coin is too worn down to see the features of the person on it; when in fact, the coin was minted to have a featureless face, symbolizing the name of the assassin's guild.>>25248837as I've long predicted, we'll get Winds, eventually, but he won't live to complete Dream of Spring.
>>25248965>he won't live to complete Dream of Springyeah but we're getting it anyway, the moment he dies they'll be getting a team of writers to finish ados based on any drafts he leaves
>>25248684>>so the anal sex is implied>don't this means only the ways dany knows ?If she didn't know before, she knew after...
honestly how can I want jon to be with such a whore ?
No one is going to believe me anyways but I was the last person at a book signing last year and George and I mentioned a theory and he confided in me one of the plot points regarding Young Griff. I'm not gonna say what it actually was but it was very cool
>>25249479It’s gonna release this year anyway just say it
>>25249479What was the theory
>>25249479it's about him being a blackfyre right ? everyone kinda already figured it out so I actually think george don't cares about spoiling it atp
>>25249034as long as it's not a complete hackjob like when Brian Herbert and Kevin J Anderson besmirched the good name of Dune, I'll accept it.>>25249393if she was going to get smutted out, at least it was by a fantasy khan.
>>25249408Somebody has to keep his dick warm for Arya
>>25249479lmao I was standing behind you and you smelled like shit. George told me you were a fucking retard and that your theory was creepy.
>>25216234Since Warner Bros owns HBO, they should get George to make ASOIAF/GoT video games, where the gameplay revolves around the Nemesis System.The setting is about Isekai Viserys III and his female counterpart, Visenya II.
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>>25247104 >>25247268 >>25247247heads up to you anons -- ME is here, here and here:>>25245494 >>25242833 (just a few examples.)I'm NOT, however:>>25245126 >>25246742different anons, OK ? ! :O...>>25248441>Qohorikah, yes, that was it. Cheers!! :)>>25246742ok, ty for clarifications! :)regarding:>I've noticed a fair amount of skepticism regarding fAegon."skepticism" towards WHICH option : That he IS the real deal, or that he's NOT?>I'm an appreciator of cool details like that.ANOTHER good one for you then: Noticed the obsession of Valyrian (Targaryen) names / customs with the "RH" consonant combo? Eg: Rhaegar, Rhaenyra, Rhaella - and others.( the "AE" vowel combo is ALSO over-represented precisely in Valy's / Targs, but that's ANOTHER topic... )Now, take a look at the Lord of Light - R'hllor. "Coincidentally", he's a fire-magic deity / demon, similar how early Valyrians were pyromancers and dragonriders.OBVIOUS NEXT STEP to ask: "Did early Valyrians worship R'hllor, get FIRE-MAGIC KNOWLEDGE from HIM, and THUS began naming with RH-, as an honor / tribute to HIM?? ... _OR_ ...... *OR* ... R'hllor was an OFFSHOOT Valyrian teaching / cult / family that EMERGED FROM the Valyrians' earliest dabbles into the FIRE ??"To me it's a CERTAINTY that it's DEFINITELY one of the 2. Like.. all the parallels and connections are too strong to ignore, and made too obvious, almost as if ON PURPOSE.Biggest mystery to me in this is just WHY has this NOT been discussed / theorized AT ALL within the fandom?? I've honestly never seen ANYONE even POINT TO that most-obvious and eye-poking comparisons..
>>25250995(contd.)>>25248056>he's writing both books at the same timemaybe not exactly "at the same time", but you do have a point:It has been the case with ALL books so far, _SOME_ MORESO than others, that SOME CHUNK of the previous was LEFT OUT of its final ver., to eventually find its place in the NEXT BOOK.Most prominent cases thus far are, ofc, transitions from AFFC to ADWD, and NOW -- from aDwD to tWoW.THUS, it follows naturally: Yes, a HUGE part of GRRM current manuscript, probably like 400+ pages, is gonna CUT OUT of Winds, only to be moved to DREAM.IT IS KNOWN.So yes, you COULD consider it "at same time". -- ALTHOUGH the two books are NOT "concurrent" like affc and adwd, AND like *SOME* parts of adwd / winds.>>25248965 >>25248684 >>25249393 >>25249629lol @ you counting on Dany being "naive" and TOTALLY DISREGARD how COMPLETELY FUCKED IN THE HEAD the Targs are.It's like they're almost a separate species of HALF-LIZARD BEINGS, perhaps even less-so "human" than actual LIZARDS.Seriously...Dany has probably fantasized in her head getting double-teamed by her two brothers (one of them LONG-DEAD by then) from as early as she was like 12 or so lolcase in point: Just look at HOW FREQUENTLY she has visions of RHAEGAR. (nevermind he's been dead for like 17 yrs now LOL)She wants that incest, it runs in her blood !! :OAnd ALL THE MORE *FUCKERY*, so typical for the Targs, if that object of desire is A DEAD PERSON !! >=DSo there's some necrophilia for you right there !! :P(or IS IT, really ?? Plenty of theories out there that Rhaegar actually SURVIVED the Trident -- for example by using A GLAMOR or the like... ).
>>25245494>George's FIRST wife was an easy 9/10 for 60s standards.I don't believe you. Post photo.
>>25250997>>25248965 >>25248684 >>25249393 >>25249629>lol @ you counting on Dany being "naive" and TOTALLY DISREGARD how COMPLETELY FUCKED IN THE HEAD the Targs are.feast your eyes on Daenerys guzzling it ALL down LIKE A CHAMP, without skipping a beat! :)( and without THROWING UP afterwards !! :P )https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e29xPCduK04mmm !! yeah, gurrrll !! gulp it ALL down !!see Drogo nodding his head in approval several times at the end.He's all like:"You can do it, Dany!" and "I'm SO proud of you,my little gulping-it-all whore !! <3">>25251000ch0cked the g0t. Nice! :O>I don't believe you. Post photo.google's your friend lol.
Anyone remember the name of that fanfic that was like a slightly more high effort/magic Scream Against the Storm, with a Mussovy forest whatever wandering Westeros being a pest? People kept chasing him off with spears because his response to problems was LET ME HELP YOU RETARDED WESTEROSI NO NEED TO THANK ME I'M JUST GOING TO USE PILES OF CURSED MAGIC TO DO SO.
>>25240963>Meh. With characters like Monza Murcatto (from Best Served Cold), I can't imagine how ANYONE could have complaints about "toxic masculinity" and "lack of diversity" in early books... O_OMonza was just the beginning. By the end of the second trilogy all major powers are ruled by women. Joe also felt that the world was too white, so the Union got flooded by Gurkish refugees.
>>25216234What's up with hill tribes?Are these supposed to be highlanders? But they are like bronze age barbarians.Where do they actually live? In some fucking caves?
>>25251233er...... WHAT ?! o_O>>25251443>By the end of the second trilogy all major powers are ruled by women.well, it would depend HOW Joe painted them. Are they apt rulers, or exactly the opposite? lolcuz, if the LATTER, then it's NOT *REALLY* "woke", is it? :)>Joe also felt that the world was too white, so the Union got flooded by Gurkish refugees.Gurks are foreign and "exotic" enough to be sure, but I have no recollection of them EXPLICITLY being described as people of color? Or am I wrong?Sorry, it's been a long time since I read Abercrombie lol...
same anon as:>>25251695>>25251223(and others, etc.)As most of you guys have probably heard by now, tWoW will contain a SANSA chapter that is categorized by GRRM himself as "VERY controversial".( this info has been out since WAY back... like 2012-13-14-15 or so... )Now... initially most people, MYSELF INCLUDED, thought INSTANTLY of either:A) Sansa gets RAPED ...ORB) Pedo Baelish (Littlefinger) tries to make advances on her OR *SHE* tries to seduce him (maybe as some part of a ploy to distract him and run away etc.) . Now, all these MAY well be, but it recently hit me that NONE of these options actually hold a candle to the stuff that Sansa has ALREADY been through, both physically AND mentally. EXAMPLES:1) her innocent direwolf beheaded2) she inadvertently led to her father's capture and execution (and, by extension, the Rise of the Lannisters )3) Constant psycho-physical abuse by Joffrey, Cersei and their guards4) *ALMOST* got gang-raped by filthy peasants 5) married off to TYRION and ALMOST did the deed with him6) entire family (presumed) dead7) witnessed Joffrey's excruciating death from up-close, and then GOT BLAMED as an accomplice in it8) almost getting raped AGAIN by Marillion the bard @ the Vale9) now lives in constant fear, surrounded by people not close to her, under a presumed identity as a "bastard daughter" to a man she has EVERY reason to HATE THE GUTS OF, and then some...10) ...all the while having to reject constant pedo-advances by said man and his cronies...11) ... AND ... is getting groomed to marry an asshole jock kid, who can easily turn out to be EVEN WORSE than Joffrey.etc. there's MORE I'm missing, to be sure.Now...With ALL THAT said, it really seems to me like there are yet THINNER ROPES to tread with regards to what a 13-y/o girl can be pushed to.THINNER than the options A and B initially supposed....THEREFORE, my newER assumptions are:A) Sansa gives a BLOWJOB to Harry "the Heir" Hardyng, to further entice him and seduce him ( for the purposes, for example, manipulating him into performing an action in his role as Warden of the East, that would benefit Sansa's AND / OR Littlefinger's cause;; just AN EXAMPLE )I have TWO reasons to think it's THIS :1) So far in aSoIaF we have NOT seen fellatio performed from the PoV of *a FEMALE* character. ( Not EXPLICITLY, anyway... )2) The sample Sansa chapter from tWoW (which until very recently, I had NOT read ... ) is VERY suggestive that Sansa is going to embark on a road of very gradually getting more and more intimate with Harry.EVENTUALLY, this might culminate in precisely her getting extra-kinky for him!! (and for all of us readers !! :)) -- hummer included, we'll get her internal thoughts on how it's "warm and throbbing", and she'll make mental notes to maintain eye contact. She'll deepthroat him and play with his balls, lube him up with spit accordingly, and she'll even swallow like a good cumbag at the end !! >=D )*** OR ***.
>>25252411(cont'd)This option A could unfold in some OTHER sexual way as well:Harry has shown to be quite the womanizing rake. If he offers a threesome to Sansa, she might feel "compelled" to accept it.It'll probably be a BBG thing too lol, knowing Martin's ways.It could also be the other way round: SANSA will try to seduce/ entice Harry via means of offering herself AND ONE MORE girl for his pleasure.Now, for the OTHER option:...*** OR ***...B) Sansa MURDERS someone, but not as an "absolute necessity / self-defence" (like her sister Arya did, in book 1)RATHER, it's a cold & calculated move that aims a very specific power play at the right place & time.Chances are it's going to be quite BRUTAL in its depiction and execution.Things that make me think it'sTHAT:1) Tyrion's line in Game of Thrones that "Sansa's not a killer... at least NOT *YET* ..."Yes, it's in the SHOW, but it might be a subtle hint by the authors, who were told by GRRM some stuff.2) Sansa's development throughout aSoIaF has gradually seen her "progress" more and more within the "Game of Thrones", BOTH through her own "wits", as a means of survival within the brutal political landscape and surroundings, especially in her KL chapters, *AND* through LittleFinger's guidance later on.In a sense, you could say she was almost "PLANNED" that way, ever since the events of book 1 were set into motion by Varys and LF. The latter has always had her eyes on Sansa, even BEFORE the Civil War.THUS, precisely THIS moment of Sansa becoming a MURDERESS, may be the necessary "step" for her to "progress" from "pawn" to "player" in the G-oh-T.Kinda like a "no turning back point" for her development that NEEDS to happen..Thoughts? :).
>>25252414>Salsa Snark>having agencythat'd be a first
>>25252640she could kill herself at any time if she wanted
i'm not reading all that reddit formatted shit
Satin is Rhaegar's daughter. You heard it here first.
>>25250995Interesting speculation regarding Rh'llor. It's clear that Valyria was built on blood/fire magic, which is also his domain. However, there's also the matter of Asshai and the Shadowlands, which seems to be the blood/fire counterpart to the Lands of Always Winter, with the Five Forts being analogous to the Wall. It's also stated that dragons are originally from there; the Valyrians mastered dragons, but did not create them. Given this, and the fact that dragons are basically fire creatures (firedrake being another name for them), I speculate that R'hllor is also native to Asshai/Shadowlands, just as the Great Other, Hodor, is from beyond the Wall.>>25252411>>25252414would be totally fine with Sansa sucking a cock and murking niggas, as long as it was justified. Doing both would probably take multiple chapters; killing someone right after draining his balls would be too ruthless, especially for her.
>>25253173"Rhaegar made the Eight" could be a fun, bullshit theory
is this worth reading even though it'll never be finished?
>>25250995>"Did early Valyrians worship R'hllor, get FIRE-MAGIC KNOWLEDGE from HIM, and THUS began naming with RH-, as an honor / tribute to HIM?? ... _OR_ ...... *OR* ... R'hllor was an OFFSHOOT Valyrian teaching / cult / family that EMERGED FROM the Valyrians' earliest dabbles into the FIRE ??"People from beyond the shadow taught Valyrians how to tame dragons, so I assume most of the original Valyrian culture was just a continuation of pre long night Asshai practices passed down from ancient non human races. Rhollor is a lovecraftian sounding name, George uses lovecraft names again for k’dath and the lizard people and carcossa and the winged men. So I think rhollor is some ancient dragon god of chaos that the lizard people worshipped and the Valyrians entered a sort of dragon covenant with it, they were “chosen” to be the new wielders of this fire and blood magic before the elder race disappeared for good (they did this to bring fire and blood to men as revenge for being genocided by the geotd) Maybe the original god was a three headed dragon, the Valyrian religion saw each head as its own god and then as time went on they kept adding more gods til we get the Valyrian pantheon it eventually became, while the Asshai variant of rhollor became one god of fire vs one god darkness over the millennia
is the barrow of the first king a buried sphere of magic black stone used by necromancers in the early age?From lord of the rings:>”In the very early days of Gondor, the king of the men who lived in the White Mountains swore an oath of allegiance to Isildur on the Stone of Erech, also known as the black stone. This oath was betrayed when Isildur called upon them to fight Sauron in the War of the Last Alliance. That caused Isildur to curse them to remain undead until they had fulfilled their oath. They haunted the Paths of the Dead for more than 3000 years.And then from world of ice and fire: >” According to folklore the Great Barrow contains the grave of the First King of the First Men or a King of the Giants. Maester Kennet's Passages of the Dead mentions a curse was supposedly placed on the Great Barrow allowing none to rival the First King. The curse is said to have weakened and made corpselike any living man who pretended to the title, such as the Barrow Kings. Maesters doubt the legend.”https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Stone_of_Erechhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worms_of_the_Earthhttps://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Barrow
>>25216234What if Aegon I Targaryen, his sister-wife Rhaenys and one third of royal army (included few lords, sellsword and settler) mysterious transported to pre-columbus America, 1066 AD?
Did the long night cover Essos or just Westeros?
>>25254714Perpetual dark and cold everywhere (due to an eclipse or dust clouds or whatever celestial event) but Westeros got the worst of it due to being connected to the pole. Personally I think the walkers were only a threat to Westeros
>>25254739>due to an eclipse or dust clouds or whatever celestial eventJust thought of a cool theory. What if the white walkers were created pre long night as a security measure to prevent too much northern human migration. What if they were designed to lie dormant until like an eclipse that happens every 30 years where they would sweep down on the winds of winter to do a little population control and then return when the eclipse is over. Gives winter is coming a new meaning. But then the second moon gets destroyed and causes a longer eclipse which shorts out the natural defense mechanism of the others and causes them to do a permanent wild hunt
>>25254714Other legends from the Further East, including Yi Ti, state the Blood Betrayal began the Long Night. The Lion of Night was unleashed upon the world after the Maiden-Made-of-Light turned her back on it.[7]According to a legend from Yi Ti, during the Long Night the sun hid its face for a lifetime, ashamed at something none could discover, and disaster was only averted by the deeds of a woman with a monkey's tail.[4]A great hero, known in different cultures as Azor Ahai, Hyrkoon the Hero, Yin Tar, Neferion, and Eldric Shadowchaser, wielded the flaming sword Lightbringer and led humanity to victory. Some say the Five Forts were built by the Pearl Emperor to guard against the Lion of Night and his demons.[7]The legend of Azor Ahai spread from Asshai and is especially prevalent among the followers of R'hllor.[4] According to prophecy, Azor Ahai is to be reborn again as a champion sent by R'hllor.[8] This will occur after a long summer when an evil, cold darkness descends upon the world.[9] There is also a similar prophecy about the prince that was promised.[10][11]
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>>25252640>Salsa Snark>having agency>that'd be a first...PRECISELY. ;]It's HIGH TIME it happened. :PSOMETHING needs to progress her forward.>>25253456>Doing both would probably take multiple chapters;It was said that it's "*A* controversial Sansa chapter", SINGULAR.>killing someone right after draining his balls would be too ruthless, especially for her.Arya's murder of Meryn Trant in GoT was kinda similar, altho they didn't go the full mile.COULD BE that, as a PARALLEL to that (which probably WILL happen in the BOOKS as well), Sansa will do something similar, echoing her sister's deeds.So ... You very well could be right. Don't underestimate the Cat + Alayne sisters, continuing the legacy of their undead mother CatElyn. :P>>25253173>Satin is Rhaegar's daughter. You heard it here first.It's interesting that you bring this up, because Satin, indeed, *DEFINITELY* _IS_ SOMEONE.Someone meant to have his identity hidden / obscured.His appearance at the Wall at the weirdest time, despite not fitting the profile BY FAR of your average NightsWatchMan, is SUS as fuck.Might as well be satAn. :P>>25253953please tell me you're a Bot... -_->>25253456>It's also stated that dragons are originally from there [Asshai/Shadowlands]; the Valyrians mastered dragons, but did not create them.This is *PROBABLY* true, insofar as can be logically inferred from the lore dumps and "clues" presented in ASOIAF / WOIAF materials THUS far.HOWEVER, it's STILL _NOT_ 100% set in stone and absolutely confirmed. Just being technically correct, is all.>I speculate that R'hllor is also native to Asshai/ShadowlandsSame regarding THIS as well.By the way, to be maximally technically correct AGAIN:GRRM himself has said that "GODS" in ASOIAF do NOT EXIST.Basically, the "gods" of the world should be treated as the respective Cults' power centres PLUS their follower bases.So in this regard, "R'hllor" is NOT a "GOD".However, it COULD BE that it was an ancient mythical being, around which a CULT OF WORSHIP was formed.(like you said -- PROBABLY beyond Asshai / the Shadowlands )>>25254032>People from beyond the shadow taught Valyrians how to tame dragons, >so I assume most of the original Valyrian culture was just a continuation of pre long night Asshai practices passed down from ancient non human races.Same to you as to above.>Rhollor is a lovecraftian sounding name.Nope. I acknowledge ALL OTHER _CLEAR_ Lovecraft-inspired names / themes / myths in WOIAF, but THIS ONE is not certain.Alright, it has AN APOSTROPHE in its name. So... ? That's about it, really.>(they did this to bring fire and blood to men as revenge for being genocided by the geotd)>the geotdsay what?>they did thiswho? The Valyrians? The Lizard people elder race?Better explanation pls..
>>25254646>>25253953please гEPOгT obvious bots like these !! :(That one guy even wasted a PERFECT g0t (2546) ...>>25254763cool theory! Never heard it before. Sweet! :)Doesn't quite explain that the Others are NOT a mindless horde, tho. Otherwise everything North of the Wall would be theoretically uninhabitable, AND YET -- there are plenty of cultures / Wildlings up there.No... The Others seem to do TARGETTED killings.>shorts out the natural defense mechanism of the others and causes them to do a permanent wild hunt>wild huntAh, I understand that reference! :)Yes, the Others might be exclusively after Royal Blood-ers, much like the Wild Hunt in the Witcher is exclusively after THE ELDER BLOOD. :P.
>>25255863if magic exists (which it does), then gods exist. What GRRM said is that the gods generally do not directly intervene, ie no deus ex machina.I've only watched a lil bit of the show, enough to know that the early seasons are a faithful adaptation with great casting, but with some divergences from the source material. In the Winds of Winter samples, Arya seduces Raff the Sweetling in order to kill him, so I assume it was a similar deal with Meryn Trant in the show?
>>25251687>Where do they actually live?in the hills
