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ASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
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TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chapters

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Hello what do we think about Arya cunny?
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Is Dorne white?
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There’s nothing new to talk about
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Why do people think the setting used to have two moons? Is it a case of people passing around one dude's theory like it's canon?
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>>25255072
It’s been a theory since game of thrones first released. What, you think that Lucifer faggot was the first to think of it?
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>>25254998
There were some theories in that last thread that I’ve never seen before (I wrote them and no one replied to them)
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>>25255072
>>25255080

The second "moon" is a mythologized memory of the Valyrian's hollow asteroid colony ship they used to travel from Earth in our distant future to colonize Planetos, long before dragons were genetically produced by the Valyrians after the Long Night, the cataclysm that resulted from the Valyrian civil war that devastated the planet and knocked the regular humans slaves back into a stone age where they forgot their Earth origins.
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>>25255080
>"one day the other moon will kiss the sun too and then it will crack and the dragons will return"
>"you have been kissed by the moon, lord snow"
everyone assume this is about drogo dying and dragon eggs cracking and them being born but it's likely about jon and dany having children and targs coming back
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>>25255083
>There were some theories in that last thread that I’ve never seen before (I wrote them and no one replied to them)
which posts were yours? I personally replied to as many people I could (was the most active poster in the thread...)
If you wrote stuff like "Satin is Rhaegar's daughter!!", then NO SHIT -- of course NO ONE would reply to them lol

>>25255478
Punctuation and spacing, please.
So, what you're saying is:
Valyrians + slaves migrated to Planetos from a future-Earth, to colonize Planetos?
They were running away from Earth due to a civil war ?
They used an "asteroid" colony ship for their escape, perceived as a "second moon" by Planetosi?
The "crash-landing" on Planetos was devastating for BOTH Planetosi and Valyrian colonists ?
The latter "lost their memory" of their Earth origins ?
The Long Night PREDATES the Valyrians' production of Dragons ?
The Long Night was somehow caused BY THE VALYRIANS, and their cataclysmic workings, which were NOT THE SAME as "the Doom of Valyria" ??

... Something like that .. ????
Mate, please do employ sentence divisions and spacings.
And paragraphs. Thanks! :)

>>25255658
ok, fair enough, but HOW EXACTLY are Jon and Dany the "moon and sun" in THIS scenario ??
Drogo and Dany DID affectionately call each other "My sun and sky" and "my moon and stars" or whatever, yes. (forgot WHICH is WHOM tho...) ...
But Jon and Dany ?! HOW ?!?!

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As most of you guys have probably heard by now, tWoW will contain a SANSA chapter that is categorized by GRRM himself as "VERY controversial".
( this info has been out since WAY back... like 2012-13-14-15 or so... )

Now... initially most people, MYSELF INCLUDED, thought INSTANTLY of either:
A) Sansa gets RAPED ...
OR
B) Pedo Baelish (Littlefinger) tries to make advances on her OR *SHE* tries to seduce him
(maybe as some part of a ploy to distract him and run away etc.) .

Now, all these MAY well be, but it recently hit me that NONE of these options actually hold a candle to the stuff that Sansa has ALREADY been through, both physically AND mentally. EXAMPLES:

1) her innocent direwolf beheaded
2) she inadvertently led to her father's capture and execution (and, by extension, the Rise of the Lannisters )
3) Constant psycho-physical abuse by Joffrey, Cersei and their guards
4) *ALMOST* got gang-raped by filthy peasants
5) married off to TYRION and ALMOST did the deed with him
6) entire family (presumed) dead
7) witnessed Joffrey's excruciating death from up-close, and then GOT BLAMED as an accomplice in it
8) almost getting raped AGAIN by Marillion the bard @ the Vale
9) now lives in constant fear, surrounded by people not close to her, under a presumed identity as a "bastard daughter" to a man she has EVERY reason to HATE THE GUTS OF, and then some...
10) ...all the while having to reject constant pedo-advances by said man and his cronies...
11) ... AND ... is getting groomed to marry an asshole jock kid, who can easily turn out to be EVEN WORSE than Joffrey.
etc. there's MORE I'm missing, to be sure.

Now...
With ALL THAT said, it really seems to me like there are yet THINNER ROPES to tread with regards to what a 13-y/o girl can be pushed to.
THINNER than the options A and B initially supposed.

...

THEREFORE, my newER assumptions are:

A) Sansa gives a BLOWJOB to Harry "the Heir" Hardyng, to further entice him and seduce him
( for the purposes, for example, manipulating him into performing an action in his role as Warden of the East, that would benefit Sansa's AND / OR Littlefinger's cause;; just AN EXAMPLE )
I have TWO reasons to think it's THIS :

1) So far in aSoIaF we have NOT seen fellatio performed from the PoV of *a FEMALE* character. ( Not EXPLICITLY, anyway... )

2) The sample Sansa chapter from tWoW (which until very recently, I had NOT read ... ) is VERY suggestive that Sansa is going to embark on a road of very gradually getting more and more intimate with Harry.
EVENTUALLY, this might culminate in precisely her getting extra-kinky for him!!
(and for ALL OF US readers !! :)) --
-- hummer included, we'll get her internal thoughts on how it's "warm, hard and throbbing", and she'll make mental notes to maintain eye contact.
She'll deepthroat him and play with his balls, lube him up with spit accordingly, and she'll even swallow like a good cumbag at the end !! >=D )

*** OR ***

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>>25256120
(cont'd)

This option A could unfold in some OTHER sexual way as well:
Harry has shown to be quite the womanizing rake. If he offers a threesome to Sansa, she might feel "compelled" to accept it.
It'll probably be a BBG thing too lol, knowing Martin's ways.

It could also be the other way round: SANSA will try to seduce/ entice Harry via means of offering herself AND 1 MORE GIRL for his pleasure.

Now, for the OTHER option:

...

*** OR ***

...

B) Sansa MURDERS someone, but not as an "absolute necessity / self-defence" (like her sister Arya did, in book 1)
RATHER, it's a cold & calculated move that aims a very specific power play at the right place & time.
Chances are it's going to be quite BRUTAL in its depiction and execution.
Things that make me think it'sTHAT:

1) Tyrion's line in Game of Thrones that "Sansa's not a killer... at least NOT *YET* ..."
Yes, it's in the SHOW, but it might be a subtle hint by the authors, who were told by GRRM some stuff.

2) Sansa's development throughout aSoIaF has gradually seen her "progress" more and more within the "Game of Thrones", BOTH through her own "wits", as a means of survival within the brutal political landscape and surroundings, especially in her KL chapters, *AND* through LittleFinger's guidance later on.
In a sense, you could say she was almost "PLANNED" that way, ever since the events of book 1 were set into motion by Varys and LF. The latter has always had her eyes on Sansa, even BEFORE the Civil War.
THUS, precisely THIS moment of Sansa becoming a MURDERESS, may be the necessary "step" for her to "progress" from "pawn" to "player" in the G-oh-T.
Kinda like a "no turning back point" for her development that NEEDS to happen.

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Thoughts? :)

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P.S. It could also be a COMBINATION of the two:
Sansa sexually seduces someone, drains his balls to exhaustion, and THEN -- KILLS him !! >=D

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>>25254940
bros...
ozempic man hasn't written any blog entry since mid febuary...
that's 2 whole months...
could it be?
has the fated time come?
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I feel bad for treating George poorly the last few years, I’m sorry I said all that stuff about you George
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>>25256125
Hey if you're gonna continue to post here you should really learn to conform to the posting style of other anons and learn to properly space your posts, avoid using emoticons, learn what a 'get' actually is (also note this is not a dubs-obsessed board) and not delimit your posts with periods and carriage returns so much.
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>>25256790
it's because he's so busy writing and he's gonna announce Winds at ComicCon, along with FIVE new Dunk and Egg Novellas AND a brand new Tuf Voyaging short story!
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>>25256790
Isn't he also producing some other show not related to ASOIAF
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>>25256120
I think the controversy is simply that Sansa will fall in love with Littlefinger. This is controversial in George's eyes because it could be construed as normalizing Baelish's grooming of her. Most fans want Sansa to become an empowered girlboss who'll betray and kill Littlefinger like she did in the show, but I don't think that's George's intention.
In his original draft, Sansa was meant to get seduced by Joffrey and betray House Stark. I think George kept this overall outline for her character while substituting Joffrey for Baelish. Her direwolf dying at the beginning of the series is symbolic of her future betrayal of the Starks. George has also said he planned to kill Sansa off at the end of the series which suggests she could take on a more morally ambiguous role by then
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>>25257155
she won't, george at least tries to be consistent with his characters actions
a vapid girl like sansa will never ever develop feelings for someone she considers subpar in looks
if that logic applied tyrion should find the love of his life just acting nice
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>>25256112
>skitzoposter bitching (incorrectly) about punctuation.
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fuck me
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>>25256112
why are you typing like this
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>>25258448
gods i wish that were me
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>>25256120

What if Sansa seduces Sweet robin to have more influence in the Vale
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>>25258448
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>>25258448
visenya clearly mogs
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>>25255080
>pic
Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Egg on my face. Thanks anon.
>What, you think that Lucifer faggot was the first to think of it?
I just saw someone mention it in the last thread and vaguely recalled hearing about two moons a long time ago. Probably not from that Lucifer guy, though. I can't recall ever watching any of his videos.
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>>25256790
>>25256804
>>25257056
>bros... ozempic man hasn't written any blog entry since mid febuary...
>that's 2 whole months... could it be? has the fated time come?

bros, it gets EVEN BETTER, although I'm perfectly aware that probably NO ONE IS GONNA BELIEVE ME anyway.
... Are you ready... ?

I'm convinced that tWoW is coming VERY soon, and for the WEIRDEST reasons, to be half-assedly explained below :
( as an added BONUS -- it's entirely possibly that A Dream of Spring is ALSO very close by behind... :P )

TL;DR first:
Been with the aSoIaF fandom since 2006. Throughout the years I've followed and informed myself of SEMI-closely with Martin's creative progress.
I've had this notion since like 2018-19 that tWoW was either already complete, or VERY close to it. ( think -- finishing touches and panstaking proof-read and editing to ensure continuity and lack of plot holes )

Now, MORE RECENTLY, I've had this NEW "feeling" (to be explained in the full text below), since like last December, (2025) even WITHOUT having ANY knowledge or even the slightest HINT of these new "leaks" (which have been apparently around since January), that either THIS or NEXT year (i.e. 26 or 27) is gonna be THE year of tWoW release.
( trust me on that "no info / rumors at all !" bit ;; -- in fact, I was away from ANY aSoIaF / GoT-related stuff since like 2022 until like 2 months ago, due to preoccupation with other life stuff. )

That "FEELING" was spurred by events which have NOTHING to do with Martin, or even the world of literature as a whole.
And now with the "leaks", REGARDLESS of their authenticity (most likely FAKE, but STILL ... ), I've become CERTAIN that it's gonna be a 2026 release...

Well, that is ... ...UNLESS ... ( you gotta read the "long expo" to find out lol )

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( CONTINUED IN NEXT POST )
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>>25260613
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(CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST)


LONG explanation:


So I've had this theory since like 2018 that tWoW was probably already finished by then -- OR at least VERY close to it... BUT ..
... BUT Martin was gonna WAIT to "sync" its release with something else that he had planned: Maybe a spinoff TV series. Maybe another book in the TWOIAF universe.
Maybe EVEN wait until he had completed a sufficient portion of Dream of Spring, so he can release sample chapters from it along with tWoW.
Maybe even tWoW + aDoS combined ?!

If you think about it, this idea doesn't sound TOO far-fetched: After all, a Dance with Dragons was synced up with the summer of Game of Thrones' first season.
(ok, it came a few weeks AFTER, but still... you get the idea...)

In any event, all those plans were interrupted by COVID, and then the outbreak of Global Conflict.
( let's just hope that after the Horsemen of Pestilence and War, we don't get Famine and Death next ! HA !!!! ... now THAT would be a perfect "sync" for a "timely" WINDS OF WINTER release! Then after it, we'll only be left with a "DREAM" of Spring lol )

On the PLUS side, George being a comfy pensioneer with a large-enough cult following to always buttress him as needs be, would mean these events would put him into "faster writing" mode.

On the MINUS side, the fucked-up logistics due to the war and shit would have deprived him of the reliable FOOD SUPPLY to keep on going. PLUS these harsh times bring out a lot of freaks out of the dark. Maybe some crazed feminists aren't too fond of Martin's precise depictions of how awful women in positions of power are -- SO they went to his house to heckle and harass him or something...
ALSO there's the issue of how the book is gonna get disseminated after printing, due to tensed-up world travel and transport at this time.

...

ANYWAY, I think the "positives" outweigh the negatives in this case, as Martin's creative spirit when writing THE DARKEST book in the series so far should only get MORE inspired and energized with and by current catastrophic goings-on worldwide.
Not to mention he'll also get more FOCUS, due to the drabness of the war-economy depriving him of the distractions that typically take away from his writing time, AND his annoying "side-projects".


THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET * WEIRD * :

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( CONTINUED IN NEXT POST )
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>>25260618
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(CONTINUED FROM PREVIOUS POST)


THIS IS WHERE THINGS GET * WEIRD * :


As I've followed the war in the ukraine closely since the beginning, LATE LAST YEAR I was able to make the judgment that THIS YEAR (i.e. 2026) is gonna be THE YEAR where the conflict will either STOP ...
... OR it will fizzle down to pre-2022 semi-localized semi-militia warfare.
So, basically, the GLOBAL "aspect" of the Conflict will END.

THUS, international world affairs would (semi- ... -ish .. ?) normalize to pre-COVID levels with more free World travel, communication etc.
HENCE, Fatman would FINALLY have the time window to actually finally release tWoW, AND to sync it up with side-project / travel around for book-signings / presentations / meetups, etc.

Like already said: This judgment was made with me being ENTIRELY IGNORANT of the supposed "leak" (apparently first disclosed in January, then re-visited by ANOTHER SOURCE in April).
So, NOW that I AM AWARE of this leak, I understandably move my INITIAL assessment of tWoW release from 2026-7 to 2026.

AND, as an added bonus: A Dream of Spring might ALSO be close-behind !

...

IN HINDSIGHT,
Recent Global & International developments might potentially explain WHY there was a holdup in the final seasons of GoT as well.
After all, Game of Thrones was an international production, which relied on much travel and international contacts.
THEREFORE, when they made a ONE-YEAR PAUSE in the production AND shortened & botched that FINAL season, it could have been OUT OF NECESSITY TO HURRY IT UP.
The showrunners, assumingly being "in the know" on shit, KNEW IN ADVANCE about covid & wars, so they wrapped it up quick.

Please DO NOTE, though :
ALL THIS (regarding the 1-year pause in GoT and their final season decisions), however, I am significantly LESS CERTAIN OF, compared to the previous musings on tWoW.


----------------------------------------------


FINAL CLARIFICATIONS :


Remember how I said in my first post, in the "TL;DR" : >>25260613

>And now with the "leaks", REGARDLESS of their authenticity (most likely FAKE, but STILL ... ), I've become CERTAIN that it's gonna be a 2026 release...
>Well, that is ... ...UNLESS ... ( you gotta read the "long expo" to find out lol )

Well... here is what that * " UNLESS..." * bit is all about :

As explained in my previous post, I believe the "global aspect" of the war in the ukraine will end THIS year.
And I DO believe that, very strongly.

HOWEVER...
It is not certain whether the War will end CONVENTIONALLY ( be it either via a mutual settlement, OR the complete fall of the Kiev junta ) ...OR ...
... OR that "War's end" will be an escalation and deterioration towards NUCLEAR CONFLICT.

So, as you hopefully NOW understand, this potentiality of the LATTER option explains away the * "UNLESS... " * of the TL;DR.

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>>25260628

FINAL SUMMARY :

FINAL SUMMARY :

FINAL SUMMARY :

* tWoW was (almost) completed YEARS AGO (like in 2018-19, if not even EARLIER )
* Fatman waited for an opportune moment to release it, sync-up with OTHER woiaf-related projects.
* COVID + Global War ruined those plans...
* ... BUT on the flip-side gave Martin ample time to also work on DREAM
* War is looking to be over THIS YEAR....
* ... so if we avoid Nuclear obliteration, tWoW is ALSO coming THIS YEAR !! :)
* ... and VERY LIKELY, bearably soon after - A DREAM OF SPRING.


P.S. POTENTIALLY, in hindsight, the show's "weird" end (PLUS that weird moment with the 1-year PAUSE) are explained away by the authors' ADVANCE KNOWLEDGE of the events in the years to come (COVID + WAR).
So they RUSHED it, out of NECESSITY.

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Soooomething like that anyway... :S

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Damn these two posters are making these threads unbearable. Time for this general to die

We will never get ADOS. Maybe Winds in one form or another. I'm going to go see the play like a retard but its a good excuse to visit England
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>>25260641
>Damn these two posters are making these threads unbearable.

I'm the anon with the streak of 4 posts above yours.
I'm assuming I am ONE of "these two posters" you envision.

WHO is the OTHER one tho?
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>>25260641
>Maybe Winds in one form or another.
Only after GRRM's death. There's no reason to keep this general while he's still alive, really.



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