Selfpublished by anon editionPrevious >>25221167>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg
https://rsbakker.wordpress.com/> I really hoped my fiction would crack popular culture, provide a reference point for necessary conversations. With the Starz discussions way back when or with the Amazon Prime heartbreaker, Kellhus might have had a chance… an intuitive fictional analogue to a counter-intuitive real world predicament. He could of been a contender.
>>25229120Could of? Does Bakker even know?
>>25229135About us? We're not enough to affect the discourse. We're marginal. We're the underground.
>>25229145I just meant he can’t speak English: “could have” is something year 9s say instead of “could have”. But on the question of whether we’re underground, doesn’t 4chan have millions of lurkers? There’s probably thousands of people who look at this thread.
>>25229205“Could of” is something … *Autocorrect
>>25229205>>25229207My bad, I didn't even realize you missed the referencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efHzGxEzDQA
>>25229209Ah nice, the only Marlon Brando lines I know are “get the butter”
>>25229209Intellechul AF, Bakkerman! Nobel prize when?
finished book six of wheel of timeso far min is best randwife and it's not even close
>>25229246Min is the only woman in that series I didn't hate or strongly dislike
>>25229246This is true, which is one of the many things the TV adaptation failed hard at.
>>25229120>So this is a big juncture for me, in a way. The fact is we are a heartbeat away from releasing billions of evolutionarily unprecedented, out-and-out predatory intelligences into the darkness that comes before–and congratulate ourselves for fucking doing so! In other words, Mythos is proof that my far weaker, far more flawed mythos has failed. My life’s work, just one more broken neck.Zaudunyani-bros we might just have to do a little bit of terrorism to save our KING from the brink of despair.
>>25229272
>>25229274Vindicated
>>25229271>which is one of the many things the TV adaptation failed hard atI hear that's a long list. I saw the actresses they picked for nynaeve and egwene and didn't even bother
>>25229120Randomly browsed his blog and came across this absolute gem.>Just after I finished my coursework for my PhD, a professor of mine told me that I had received an A for her course – news that I found especially exciting since it meant I would be (so I was told) the first student to receive a perfect 4.0 in the program’s history (I used to care about that shit then). After the break, when I went to collect my paper at her office, I was stunned to see the A rubbed out and replaced with an A-. When I asked her why, she said that over the holidays she had come to the realization that I was a sexist – I shit you not! I was bowled over, to say the least. “Why?” I asked, thinking she had heard me telling some off-colour story – or something. So she says that all of her colleagues – male colleagues – had been positively raving about the papers I turned in to them, while the paper I turned into her, though quite good, simply was not rave material. That was when she realized that it had to be because she was a woman: I simply didn’t respect her enough to turn in a rave quality paper.>I know this sounds crazy, but it is absolutely true. As was the response I gave to her: out of all my instructors, only she had refused to give me an extension, and as a result, out of all my instructors, only she received a paper that was written in a rush. She refused to believe me – actually went to so far as to deny I had made that request, even when I gave her the specifics of where and when I made it. I could tell she remembered, but at that point, she needed me to be a sexist.
>>25229318This is indeed a disturbing universe.
>>25229350>>25229318This is why you're all gay here.
>>25228755it's better to form your own opinion by actually engaging with the source material than a secondary source (and even worse than simply watching an adaptation, you're watching and encouraging others to watch that literal bi cuck D*niel Gr**ne) to have a better opinion.
>>25229357Are you saying sexist discrimination and intentional obtuseness are... a good thing?
>>25229120Holy shit, Imagine if Starz had funded a Prince of Nothing epic miniseries back in the day instead of Spartacus or whatever forgettable slop they put out.Though it’s probably for the best that an Amazon series never went through. They would have completely Rings of Power-ized it. Black Esmenet, Akka is comic relief, a friendly misunderstood Sranc character…
Apart from Erikson and Martin, what other contemporary SFF authors Bakker recommends checking out?
>>25229105QRD on the book in the OP?
The NFL has affected my enjoyment of Sun Eater because I'm pronouncing Syriani the same as the greasy retarded Italian coaching the Eagles.
>>25228768>passing star and the sun drew out enough solar mass in a spiral to form the planetsMaybe I misread this. I thought it was saying that the mass was drawn out in a spiral, like there was a spiral between the stars. I know they eventually spiral in orbit.
>As for this writer, I have very little respect for him, so that negative review he wrote makes me want to dive in that book he disliked even moreReal men are dead.
>>25229205Thousands of bots and content scrapers, sure. Probably only a few dozen people view this thread a day, likely even less
>>25229063It obviously wasnt "bakkerfag" retard
>>25229318>>while the paper I turned into her, though quite good, simply was not rave material. That was when she realized that it had to be because she was a woman>>but at that point, she needed me to be a sexist." She glanced away, looking airily to the shelved walls beyond him. “I’ve come for *The Third Analytic of Men*.”<...>“Translated into Sheyic, even,” he said, pursing his bottom lip in appreciation. “For Kellhus?”“No … for me.”She had meant to say this with pride, but it had sounded spiteful instead. “He taught me how to read,” she explained, more carefully. “Through the misery of the desert, no less.”Achamian had blanched. “Read?”“Yes … Imagine, a *woman*.”He scowled in what could only be confusion.“The old world is dead, Akka. The old *rules* are dead … Surely you know this.”He blinked as though struck, and she realized it had been her tone and not her assertion that had prompted his scowl. Achamian had never begrudged her her sex. "
>>25229318literally sounds like the type of contrived backstory youd find in an anime. unfortunately i almost believe him
>>25229318So he doesn't like women?
>>25229560who is the Big Dom of sun eater?
>>25229358I dont disagree, but what if the opinion is valid enough anyway and you dont want to waste your time reading something you think could be meh. Is it really a sin to watch "Naruto the Self Made Hypocrite" and come away thinking "wow thats some pretty flawed writing"
Reminder: bad SF can be seen as a category of trash, and can be junked at sight. Bad fantasy is something else. Perhaps because it transforms archetypal material into sleaze, bad fantasy is junk food, an addictive mockery of the true meal, which sticks to the stomach, and eats it.
>>25229428>They would have completely Rings of Power-ized it. Black EsmenetShe is of Ketyai ethinicity, so brown-skinned enough to qualify either as a sand-nigger or a dirty pajeet-monkey>Akka is comic reliefWe already have Xerius for that
What are some periods that you'd like to see in fantasy? Most fantasy is medieval fantasy, and then the next most popular one is probably urban fantasy. There's also been a recent surge of not-Roman Empire fantasy lately though. I think Age of Exploration or Bronze Age fantasy could result in something fun.
>>25229681I also think something regarding the age of exploration would be fun. I wrote a novel during the post-conquista era in a fantasy island in the Atlantic which was a lot of fun. I also think something focusing on the Chinese dynasties would be cool.
>>25229631>even bigger and greasier Italian>runs security but doesn't really do anything notable>only gets screen time because the original greasy Italian likes himProbably Ghen
/sffg/? More like... /sff/aggots
>>25229681A fantasy renaissance shown through troubadours and artists. I guess that's a GGK type of thing.
>>25229761Based. Tigana and A Song for Arbonne is what anon needs.
>Israel (among others) ceases to exist>The 20/21st centuries are distant memories, the world is essentially breaking out of the DEEP dark ages>Wars are between factions, not nations>Nanotech & transhumanism reach their logical conclusionshttps://youtu.be/onKtEPy1U48Feedback so far has been mixed leaning on positive. Maybe y'all might enjoyt. The author AND audiobook narrator
Any books with a similar style to the ROTS novelization?
Anyone know how I can spot a first printing by VGSF (UK)? I own The Sky Lords trilogy by John Brosnan and all books have no number line and only state>First VGSF editionAlready checked isfdb and the notes don't add up with my books (e.g. First printing as per copyright page)I need this information for my book collection spreadsheet.
>Tor Publishing Group is thrilled to announce the acquisition of Overworld by Will Wight, an addictive LitRPG fantasy adventure from the New York Times bestselling author of the Cradle seriesWho's the biggest exclusively indie fantasy author now?
https://thenewshadows.substack.com/p/long-live-death-part-iiPart 2 of my fantasy novelette about kin, country, and catharsis through violence.
>>25229789the author of my diary desu
>>25229806>>25229105So what other writers actually haves posted in this thread? I have a few suspicions
>>25229828Several have over the years and many more on /lit/ in general. The most successful one publicly known makes $4,000+/month on Patreon. For /sffg/ only, well, it's much less.
TRUTH SHINES!!!
KEK SHRINES!!!
>Word filters>In 2026Shit board. Shit website.
>>25229768>Israel (among others) ceases to existSold.
>>25229768That's antisemitic
>>25229847Just like everything!
>>25229120AI companies have been saying their new model is too dangerous to release, achieved consciousness, will replace every job, etc. for several years. You're a sucker if you fall for it.
>>25229120Always a great read. Thank you for posting Bakker updates.
>>25229105Steampunk? With airships, and tophats?
>>25229955Typically.
Why can't they just print more?
>>25229966I like the new ones better. They smell good and the thin pages are kino. Better covers as well.
>>25229971No hard covers + retarded ass prime video "sticker"I'd like to have the orbit hardcovers, but they only have the first three books so far.
>>25229958Where?
>>25229980Hardcovers are overrated. The Prime stickers suck, but other than that I like these ones.
Any Elric fans here? I'm about halfway through the first book and I found out about the Blue Oyster Cult song Black Blade shortly after I started reading. I really dig both. I wasn't expecting such a surreal vibe. I had heard the comparisons to Geralt of Rivia, but I didn't realize how much of the Targaryen lore was inspired by Melnibonéan.
>>25230041People see Elric as anti-Conan but for me it's more like psychedelic-Conan, in a good way.
I couldn’t read the Aspect Emperor shit. I got filtered. Can someone summarize the plot of each book to me. I read what happens at the end in the last book and Kellhus just losing like that made me give up on the idea of ever reading that series, Prince of Nothing was better. Spoil me please.
>>25230096>Can someone summarize the plot of each book to me.4th book: Game of Thrones + LotR's Moria5th book: Blood Meridian6th book: chapters-long theological discussions on the nature of God and Hegelian philosophy + Silmarillion7th book: leprous cannibal gay orgy + the glossary (of 1/3 of the book size)
>>25230119Bro 5th and 6th book sound interesting, fvark. Should I try to unfilter myself? But I know the ending is DOGSHIT
>>25230096Just read Achamian/Skin Eaters (maybe plus other crusaders) POW and drop all others.
>>25230070I've actually been reading a Conan collection on the side as well. I'm definitely enjoying the episodic style.
>>25230122The ending is actually kino thoughbeit. I hope he writes No-God eventually.
>>25229605Hmm
>>25229558Mage's apprentice takes a road trip through a fantasy world with hybrid animals and some weird magics. Wasn't my thing, but I respect the hustle and the cover art was cool. The author apparently has some military experience and isn't just a dweeb sitting in his basement playing video games.
>>25229120>Falling for AI company IPO-bait marketing hype.Before this world changing model it was the one a few months ago, and a few months before that, and a few months before that. And before "AI" it was the internet and media/sales algorithms, and before that it was vidya, and before that it was TV, and before that it was the radio, and before that it was newspapers, and before that it was pamphlets and the printing press.And you know what?They were right each time. Culture kept getting a bit more enshitified, our philosophy more corrupted, the rot just that much more pronounced.It's been downhill since 1300 boyos.
>>25229768Got a link to a download?
>>25230228Fuck, I forgot automobiles and trains. Those were also the original cancer killing /West/. The assembly line too.
>>25230228They said GPT-2 was too dangerous to release. GPT-5.5 was announced a couple hours ago.
>>25230245I mean released a couple hours ago.
>>25229730Bakkerfag tries his best to be at least 80% of all posts so you're not wrong.
>want to write a scifi>endedup with 3 months of worldbuilding jerk offoh well
I always read that these LLMs are just probabilistic next token predictors and can never be “intelligent”, so how come every time there’s a new model release they start drumming up hype and ascribing intelligence to it? Shit like “it tried to escape” etc? I don’t get it.>>25230119Huh. Maybe I should get into Bakker. I always thought it was just a rapefest with cuckolding based on how it’s discussed.
>>25230262Ever heard of advertising?
>>25229120>Buy and large, humanity has yet to realize that being surpassed by technology means becoming technology, and that ‘hacking’ is every bit as serious for us as it is for software. ‘AI psychosis,’ for instance, is still being blamed on the ‘vulnerable,’ when its far more likely to be the thin edge of the wedge. Some 25% of the people freed by the Innocence Project actually confessed to their crimes, not because they were ‘vulnerable,’ but because they received treatment designed to impair decision-making and incentivize capitulation, such as threatening to charge the spouse, describing the life their children could expect in public care.Uhh, what's the point here? People have been coercing each other into false confessions since the stone age. This isn't exactly deep. You threaten people with decades locked in a place where you tell them they are going to be beaten and gang raped and they say what you want them to say. Sorta common sense. There is a reason we have a 98% conviction rage and virtually no one asserts their right to a jury anymore.
>>25230041The Geralt comparisons are mostly a meme.
>>25230260literally just start. Conjure up a scene in your head and start going. if you've done all this worldbuilding, pick a city, pick a hourse, pick a person, and start writing from their point of view. if they're kind of boring, have them have a run in with someone important. from there they will be dragged into the plot and the world at large.
>>25230262>Huh. Maybe I should get into Bakker. I always thought it was just a rapefest with cuckolding based on how it’s discussed.It's really nothing like that. He is less pornographic about these things than Martin is with any sex stuff. Though he does frequently find ways to describe things in the most 'Bakker' way possible. That is to say making things sound sexual in some way. Like at one point when a guy is swinging his sword he describes it as 'raping the air.'
>>25230407>Like at one point when a guy is swinging his sword he describes it as 'raping the air.'That’s just ridiculous. From what I’ve gathered it has some sort of superhuman going around with magic skills who is just too powerful to be stopped and he cuckolds everyone and there is an actual rape race. I don’t get how this can be good?
>>25230423The "rape aliens" are just licentious demon-like aliens. They aren't any worse in this than something like the Cenobites in Hellraiser or the like. It's certainly less gratuitous than Berserk.
>>25230432>It's certainly less gratuitous than Berserk.>Less gratuitous than the series with multiple back to back double page spread, hyper detailed troll rape panels.This is just about the lowest the bar can be set.
>>25229105Didn't know people still wrote Dying Earth.
>>25230041I only ever had the Eternal Champion and it's Dying Earth sequel.
How important is the first line of a novel?
Not very.
>>25230216So it was all an elaborate forseen plan to cuck Achamian so that his compendium would forever be discredited on that basis...Bravo KojimboCan't wait to read the quadrology and shit on it every screenshot. I hope itll be fun, and bakker actually makes forcing me to slog through Warrior Prophet all worth it
>>25230360Bakker constantly does this, says banal surface level stuff that midwits convince themselves is deep because Bakker will say it in a confident poetic way. He doesnt even make arguments, just assertions. Theres nothing wrong with saying "intuitive" stuff, when the basis and justification itself can be an interesting or alternative way of understanding things in and of itself. Bakker is not that. But we'll see if he changes in the quadrology. I don't like talking about Bakker like this, I dont want to be a hater. I find that I hate the fans for never engaging with my arguments more than I actually hate any man named Bakker.
sometimes i wish you guys were cool, then when i say "darrow doesnt feel like a character, he feels like what people classically used to think of "aspects" or "gods" as; a concept or idea given representation, given voice. there's no actual person there, no character, just a force that exists to carry out a goal, and a voice that constantly reiterates how angry everything makes him, to reaffirm the motivations for his personless existence" without somebody telling me "durr read the books" when im hearing people who read the books, echo similar criticisms, if you werent a stupid dumbfuck modern day loser who shies away from and rationalizes every way to not engage with criticism constantly, then something could actually be talked about and understood.
i got tricked into reading thisthe first page is filtering me with cringe
>>25230562It's a pretty shit book, I've no idea why it got such good reviews. Though I guess the TV adaptation was faithful to the source, that was shit too.
Do the sff classics get sub 4 averages on goodreads because they're not woke or is it for normal reasons?
>>25230615All older media gets rated lower that the latest shiny, because the latter is what most people read.
>>25230625You would think this would preserve the ratings of the older stuff. Because there are less ratings.
>>25230639It's recency bias. People rate on the initial hype, then over time more unbiased reviews happen over time that then tend to lower the average score.
>>25230642What, are you saying I should read all of these books and then form my own opinion?
Any other series similar to the lost fleet?
>>25230500I agree. I still like Bakker as a writer, The Judging Eye in particular really showed off what he could do when he actually remembers his characters, but his philosophical pretensions range from cringeworthy to cringeworthy with a veneer of depth.
Why do I feel like these anons talking about Bakker is just one person replying to himself?
>>25230688You find it hard to believe that multiple people could have the same opinion of an author?
No god will be written by AI
bakker general
>>25230678It know it's a radical idea but someone has to do it.
>Project Hail Mary can't be as reddit as /lit/ says, it's probably overhated>check back cover quotes>Brandon Sanderson>George R.R. Martin>Ernest ClineHoly trinity of red flags.
>>25230763It’s definitely redditcore. It’s no masterpiece, but entertained me enough.
>>25230878Is the alien cutesy in the book too? I wasn't a fan of that in the movie, was hoping it would be more like Enemy Mine.
>>25230882You were hoping for male pregnancy?
>>25230889Impregnation is an important element in alien stories.
>>25230492For the audience? Not much at all except the extremely autisticFor the publishers and editors? Allegedly very very important. For some reason.
>>25230882https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theoremA torus is combable, so doesn't have the vorticity problems created by spheres.
Sorry posted in wrong thread, disregard.
>>25229105Rate my shelf, /sffg/
>>25230423>there is an actual rape race. I don’t get how this can be good?"All men gloried in transgression, Kellhus had told her, because all men gloried in power, and no power was more basic than the violation of another’s body or desire"
>>25230978Holy fuck this poster is retarded.
>>25230987Can we please discuss sexism in fantasy? R Scott Bakker purposefully deconstructs sexist tropes in the Waif, the Harlot, the Harridan, but feminists chimped out and said he was being a sexist pig. But Bakker doesn’t write mollycoddling fantasies where everything is “noble” and “bright”; instead, he plunges us into a world where evil is not only aestheticised but made sexualised. https://youtu.be/Ez-O5XrG_tM?si=lA7KCnJcmHiOGA_2
Why do all the hardbacks for Prince of Nothing cost this much?
>>25230961Too bendy, 3/10.
>>25230961sun ravaged/10
>>25229105Gemerald in the OP!>>25230224Nautical experience, I work as a 2nd Mate/2nd Officer. Right now I am working for the navy, but I've also done cruise ships and tankers and shit. I hope to pull a lot more of that maritime knowledge for book 2 (Raised Under Dark Waves) as well as a sci-fi nautical book I'm writing about an earth colonized by a variety of aliens that have set up their cities in the ocean But right now current events have made my job a lot harder, so I have to take a backseat to finishing book 2.
>>25230462The most transparent anti-Bakker troll in this thread lol
>>25230492Not more important than any other line in the book.
>>25230492"take that, you worm!"
>>25230500> doesnt even make argumentsYou might actually be the stupidest nigger in these thread. His arguments are contained within the series. However as we learned last thread you judge literature based on 'tv tropes' so its already a forgone conclusion that you won't be grasping any of it.
Do anyone else listen to ambient music on low volume while reading? Helps me immerse more, but i understand how people can find it distracting.
>>25230763Check the dedication and you will find the biggest red flag of all.
>>25231418Brown noise only.
I've got to give credit to Erikson; thought he'd play safe with Chain of Dogs...
>>25230763Andy Weir didn’t do anything with PHM that wasn’t already done decades ago by James White.
>>25230228Which Saint's life would make for the best scifi or fantasy retelling?People would accuse Fantasy Olga of Kiev of being a Game of Thrones ripoff.
>>25231570St. Francis obviously, can't have fantasy without animal companions
>>25231527I dunno about that, but Weir has that same pop culture fried brain prose that Cline and Sanderson have.
>>25231599weir is way way worse than sanderson
>>25231599"I am his therapist" is bad, but it will never be on the same level as "If I wanna go home, I'll have to science the shit out of this."
need novels where a human befriends a BIG monsterthe bigger the better
>>25231645Like a dragon...? Fourth wing.
>>25231417I've already dissected it all before. You are engaging with something you do not understand, because the truth of the matter is less important than your preconceived bias being protected.I have attempted to engage with you and make arguments. But you ignore them to derride them. You are a dishonest interlocutor who does not actually care for truth.
>>25231771TV TROPES. I rest my case.
>>25231819I accept your concession.
>>25231771>>25231819The irony is that he is a parody of Kellhus.
>>25231823Is that your catch phrase? Tv tropes anon? We both know the reason why you won't ever tell us what works actually meet your criteria for good writing.
>>25230521Nobody even knows what book you're even referring to, faggot.
>>25231845red rising brother truth shines
Friends, what is the consensus on H. G. Wells?
>>25231890War of the Worlds and The Island of Doctor Moreau are good. The Time Machine was pretty lame. That's pretty much all I have to say about him.
I thought fire upon the deep would be more space opera...more focused on the rogue-AI...or something.Most of the story being taken up by retarded dogs was disappointing. I imagine the sequel is the same?Fucking a.
>>25231890Hugely influential. War of the worlds inspired the a great YA The Tripod trilogy. While Doctor Moreau started the "uplift" genre of sf where the Lamarckian evolutionary approach is shown. The Time Machine might be considered the first Dying Earth story besides The Night Land. All of which commulates to Gene Wolfe extending these ideas with is Island of Doctor Death novellas and The Fifth Head of Cerberus. Plus we all know BoTNS.
I'm trying to broaden my horizons so I checked out a female centric fantasy romance story and it was just as awful as I suspected it to be.Does /sffg/ have any male centric fantasy romance recommendations? I see that harem is the most popular genre, and I see the appeal, but I don't know where to start what with there being dozens of these books coming out every week. The genre also is quite young, which has me worried that there's a lot of AI garbage in there.Also every cover looks like this, how am I supposed to know where to start?
>>25231970Just read The Curse of Chalion instead.
>>25229120Nigga writes books where women are nothing but talking onaholes and expects them to make it on today’s popular culture
>>25232027>>25230988
>>25229955Anti-Ice by Stephen Baxter Harm’s Way by Colin GreenlandThe Difference Engine by William Gibson and Bruce SterlingMorlock Night by K. W. Jeter >>25230041Moorcock is so based.
>>25231527Based. His Sector General series is so comfy.
Who are you taking in a fight, the Reaper of Mars or the Warrior Prophet?My money is on the Reaper in and out and out duel. Sorcery gives Kellhus the edge, but then techne offsets this advantage, but not all the way. With a chorea Kellhus is obviously toast.
>>25229768>y'alli want nothing to do with anything you have written
>>25232082You are a faggot and perhaps unaware that yall is a southern thing not a black thing and in fact most of the literature of value produced in the united states was created by southerners
>>25232073Even Cnaiur can probably kill Darrow if hes not in armor I would think. Kellhus would destroy him easily by doing some mind read fake out bullshit literally end the fight in seconds.
>>25230763its no worse than dungeon crawler carl, which a lot of posters here seem to love
>>25231570Not sure, but the early martyrs have some pretty bad ass lines as they are being threatened with being eaten alive by animals, burnt alive, dismembered alive, etc.Saint Polycarp says something simple but perfect like: "it would not make sense to become something worse once we have become something better." Then when they are going to nail him to the pyre he says "do not bind me, for the same Christ who gives me the virtue to endure death shall help me bear the flames." Saint Justin Martyr likewise says:>Justin said, No right-thinking person falls away from piety to impiety. Rusticus the prefect said, Unless you obey, you shall be mercilessly punished. Justin said, Through prayer we can be saved on account of our Lord Jesus Christ, even when we have been punished, because this shall become to us salvation and confidence at the more fearful and universal judgment-seat of our Lord and Saviour. Thus also said the other martyrs: Do what you will, for we are Christians, and do not sacrifice to idols.There's an actual transcript from one of the later interragations and they sentence them to being burnt alive on display and the recorded response is just: "praise be to God."But for visions and stuff, Saints Perpetua and Felicity take it, while Saint Sebastian probably has the most metal one since he becomes a porcupine of arrows, somehow lives, gets nursed back to health, and comes back to convict the Emperor of his sins, only then to be finally martyred.>>25231583And him crossing the lines unarmed to preach to the Muslims during the Crusades is pretty hardcore.
>>25232094Cnauir is just a particularly strong, experienced medieval warrior. Darrow is an 8 foot tall hyper engineered war machine who is going to be vastly stronger, more agile, with better reflexes, etc. So even with medieval weapons he wins.
>>25231471Damn I love Coltaine so much
>>25231989but theres no sex. bruh im looking for da sex
>>25232164>but theres no sex. bruh im looking for da sexBest I can do is some gay rape.
Hadrian sure do be punished. It's what he deserves for not just fucking Anais in the first book and accepting his fate as a concubine to a sexy Amazonian Palatine on a far away planet where he will never be bothered by anything ever again.
>>25232193I thought all the gay rape was in The Thousandfold Thought? I have zero desire to read more bakker.
>>25229120Ooh, it's over, it's overDon't shed a tear for meIt's overDon't shed a tearOh no, it's over
>>25231471Did you kneel and scream FVARKING KINOOOOOOOOO like me? Or cry? The fact that the next novel surpassed this one blew my mind back when I read it. After Memories of Ice, Erikson had convinced me he was unparalleled in this genre.
>>25232259There should be criminal punishment for these authors that write several books in a series and then just drop it. The selfishness and distain for their audience is shameful. Totally ungrateful to their fans. This is why standalone books will always be the superior choice to engage with.
>>25232304basedface
>>25232302trvke
>>25232302Second Apocalypse truly is finished though. What message is there left for him to deliver? All you want the No-God for is to have answers to questions... Which is silly because anyone who has read Bakker knows he would never answer jack shit anyway.
>>25232092>most of the literature of value produced in the united states was created by southernerslol nigga...
>>25232401>Which is silly because anyone who has read Bakker knows he would never answer jack shit anyway.This. Its half of why I almost didnt want to read the quadrology at all with the bullshit he pulled at the end of thousandfold thought
>>25232253The gay rape is...without measure.
>>25232259Yeah, he's spent. We're never getting the No God.
>>25229105King of /sffg/
>>25230961No sanderson? Fricking boomer
>>25231970Romance shouldn't be a genre. Good romance takes a few lines as possible.
give me dragon-human romance storiesno humanform shit
>>25232401But I want answers. Can you tell me what the fuck happened at the end of the Unholy Consult? Please.
>>25232700What about any of it is confusing? Kellhus is wrong and lost. The Dunsult lost too they just don't know it yet. The Survivor literally lays it all out for you.
>>25231617Neither of these can be real. Please tell me these are fake.
>>25232431God forbid you have to come to your own conclusions when reading a story...
>>25232745dumbass
>>25232027>Niggapiss off back to the web novel thread darkie
To the anon who recommended that I keep reading through the Demon Princes a few threads ago, thank you. It is very good.
don't weep i will finish the no god with AI
>>25232744The Martian:>So, in the face of overwhelming odds, I'm left with only one option: I’m going to have to science the shit out of this.Wind and Truth:>Storms, Kaladin thought. I have to help them. It was a laughable thought. How could he help? He was barely functional. It was all he could do to stand there. >But stand. Kaladin. DID.>And somehow it helped. Seeing someone else resist helped. Szeth, groaning, managed to look up at him. Syl stirred.>“How?” Ishar repeated. “What are you?” He gestured toward Szeth. “Are you … are you his spren? His god?”>“No,” Kaladin said. “I’m his therapist.” Ishar blinked.>“… What is that?”>“I honestly have no idea,” Kaladin admitted.
>>25232259It's over...
>>25232914
>>25232778I'm black and in this thread and there's nothing you can do about it.
>>25232929What was the point of this? Also making Renarin and Rlain fags ruined both characters.
>>25232941me toomy favorite series is currently BotNS
uh...wut? I liked the book but it felt like just a ton of mysteries with no resolution
>>25232944based black guywhy do people hate black guys? theyre cool and just like us
>>25232944>BotNSTrying to get into this. At what point is shit going to start happening?
>>25232976Like 40-50 pages.
>>25230763anon I....
was debating reading but instead im listening to this againhttps://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ
>>25231890War of the Worlds and Time Machine should be genuinely mandatory reading, they're tiny as wellI thought Invisible Man was a snoozefest
>>25232981now this is godlike dialogue, you can tell why it was adapted to a movie because it has modern movie/tv show sarcastic millenial dialogue.this. is. epic.
>>25232987stop the psyop bakkerfag
>>25232991Memes aside, what are some books with actual godlike dialogue?
https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=2h47m8sI was watching somebody talk about how they used to like red rising then dwelled on it and realized they didnt like it, and this bit was one of the things they noted.The books dialogue does not seem capable of writing actual human emotion or character without just directly describing abstract emotions and vague feelings, as if thats how any human being experiences things. But to me that isnt the greatest problem, the greatest problem is there is no actual character to darrow to understand these feelings and their significance. I recently watched a different video where somebody was talking about Mr.Beast games and he noted how Beast Games is poor at establishing characters and making you actually care about them, because the characters constantly just generically talk about how they have families and the money would mean so much to their families. But the youtuber noted, that nobody has ever made friends with or connected with somebody, because of the generic fact that they have and love their family (I'm actually sure there are people that simple but the point stands) They learn to like somebody over getting to know them and form a connection over what they like and such.But because Darrow is such pure "action" so purely "goal oriented" so purely reactive to the conditions of his life. Theres no character. No person. Just a thing which wants revenge for being treated lesser, which sometimes talks about feelings in the abstract.
>>25233015Bakker will never be as relevant as Red Rising. Ever.
>>25232981I'm sure this dialogue is bearable with actual actors reading them.
>>25233039You think this will be less reddit cancer if someone said it?
>>25233041epic...
>>25232073Only Lysander could beat Kellhus
>>25229246In time you will realize Nynaeve is great. Book 6 is still early to tell, but you will see.
I don't get how Weir can claim he's inspired by Clarke, when Clarke wouldn't be caught dead writing garbage like "fuck yeah time to science the shit out of this"
>>25230260Like the first third of Dune was world building jerkoff interspersed with dramatic foreshadowing of the eventual massacre of House Atreides. You don't have to write Dune, but being exposition heavy isn't a bad thing nor does it preclude you from being a sci-fi novelist.
>>25233081I liked nynaeve in the first two books. Elayne toobut then they started traveling together and bickering constantly, which seems to have permanently amplified each other's bitchiness tenfold and neither have recovered from it yet if they ever will
>>25229271They failed at literally everything.>>25229282same here. What were they thinking?
>desert planet>call it dunecome on now
>>25230961You are a faggot who doesn't even read. Nobody who actually reads his books would ever store them on a window sill.
>>25233096You will find that Elayne tends to drag down any characters around her. Nynaeve gets better after she marries Lan.
>>25229246Min is the best, followed by Avienda, and then Elayne. >>25229259The only women in the series that inspired genuine hatred for me were Faile and Cadsuane. Faile ruined Perrin for like nine whole books, and Cadsuane just sucks. Also Tuon. I despise Tuon.
>>25233101it's called Arrakis. Dune is just a nickname for it. Because of the deserts.
https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=3h5m33sWow sure are a lot of interesting conveniences that make for interesting TV in this well written YA Masterpiece!
>>25233104>Nynaeve>has sex once>stops being a cuntWhat did Jordan mean by this?
>>25233108>>25233015>>25232987S E E T H E
>>25233111Some women just need to get fucked and Nynaeve is one of them. But she was never really that bad, especially not to Rand.
>>25233123She fully won me over with The Golden Crane
I have been looking for a Wheel of Time replacement for almost a year, and I just haven't found it. Stormlight was nowhere near it in terms of me being engaged with the characters and storylines.
>>25233119seethe about what?
>>25233137I realized she was great when Rand told her he was going to cleanse Saidin and she just goes 'alright when do we leave?' without any doubting or chiding or telling him its impossible. She just locks in, instantly, despite how dangerous and probably impossible it is.
Has any book come out recently like Blame! ? I've read the classics that inspired it, feersum endjinn and great sky river, all that shit. Even checked out Sisyphean by Dempow Torishima and The Stars Are Legion, but the latter didn't grab me. I liked Sisyphean though. Also checked out Necroepilogos, which is neat but very lesbian-centric. And there's a web novel, 12 Miles Below, which is Blame!-inspired but not very good. Just wanna read about a bunch of freaky transhuman guys surviving in a megastructure really.
>>25233143>She just locks in, instantly, despite how dangerous and probably impossible it is.people really love bad writing dont they, aslong as its not personally annoying.
>>25233151Just because you don't understand the character or the context doesn't make it bad writing.
>>25233151That's not bad writing, anon
>>25233139I haven't found anything that scratches the same itch which is why I reread Wheel of Time every few years. I've got a few other series I've grown attached to, but each one has its own charms.
>>25233144>Diaspora by Greg Egan
>>25233155>>25233159I also love my loyal anime waifu, you guys are right. Wholesome 100 <3
>>25233167If you clearly haven't read these books, why are you speaking on them?
>>25233173Because you havent read all billion pages of one piece and clearly don't understand the power and depth of my anime waifu >:(
So far with Dune, I've found myself liking all the books they say are the bad ones, and lukewarm or antipathic towards the ones everyone likes. I thought God Emperor was ass, but I liked Children of Dune.
>>25233041It'd still be reddit-cancer, nothing could change that.
>>25233200Children of Dune is meant to be ass? That's news to me.
>>25233166oh this looks interesting, reading
>>25233102Projecting incel. Have sex.
>>25229105Has anyone read this?Only fan translation is available.https://arslansenki.wordpress.com/book-one/vol1-ch1-i/I read half of the first book, I meant to read the rest of it.The third chapter is about not-crusaders besieging the capital city by triggering slave revolts within the city.
>>25233088On the other hand, Weir likely wouldn't be caught dead sodomizing southeast asian boys.
I thought Bakker was MIA? When did he pop back up?
https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=4h45m27sI must admit. Its cheap, but one simple and easy way to at the very least emotionally, not sensibly, get you to sympathize with and treat a character as a human, is to take everything away from them unfairly and cheaply, and then give them something to keep going for.I think it works much better than with Eo, since his family is still alive to fight for. Its not good writing but ill say it made me care abour Darrows goals for once in a not vague and conceptual way.
>>25233088>>25232914>fuck yeah time to science the shit out of this"Its an astronaut scientist likely autistic and without human contact in another planet where nasa hears all he says, i say its pretty realistic to say dumb stuff specially to hype yourself up or just make noise, but yeah i wouldnt count on you guys to about that
>>25233349In a real sci-fi novel the same character might make some declaration of excitement sure, but then autistically detail potato agriculture to keep his mind busy
>>25233355>autistically detail potato agricultureIts there science in my science fiction???? Nooo no wtf bro
>>25233369>there is no difference between saying "im gonna science the shit out of this" and actually explaining scientific processesI can see why you're a fan of Weir
>Read blurb for historical fiction novel >Reviewer randomly mentions Game of Thrones (nobody fucking asked)
>>25233140he's new and from reddit so he thinks buzzwords are like spells he can type to have you convulsing in physical agony in real lifethat's the extent of his logical processes>>25233144pushing ice by Reynolds has a solar system sized megastructure
Has anyone written any good Cthulhu Mythos stories lately?
https://youtu.be/58cRKxJzcuQ?t=6h50m7sfinally finished it and yeah red rising reads like utter shallow dogshit. will read the wiki to see what's done with lysander since something is clearly being set up there
never mind just read a reddit thread of red rising and seems lysander has a writing problem that every single character in this dumb series does: does things that are inexplicably stupid or extreme or contradictory because they just do, and your intuition is supposed to fill in the gaps of how that makes sense "well of course hed do x, because he is x" very ironic how in this series so many behaviours can ironically be reduced to "Im this colour, actually Im not this colour" except Mustang I guess, but who cares, shes mary sue.
Is there anything I can report the guy who keeps posting Daniel Green videos here on? This is starting to really get annoying.
Lovecraft be like>That mass did not obey the laws of matter known to man; it was a geometrical blasphemy where angles curved inward and flat surfaces seemed to sink into impossible dimensions. From its center sprouted a throbbing mass of iridescent protoplasm, crowned by a cluster of blind eyes staring into abysses located outside of time. It was not merely that its form was grotesque, but that its very presence vibrated at a frequency that shattered sanity, suggesting that our reality is nothing more than a thin, fragile membrane hiding an ocean of infinite horror where deities dwell who have forgotten the very concept of light.3 pages later>it had tenticles and shieet
>>25233434he's probably shilling his own video so advertising i guess
Wooooow I love anime
>>25233442Yeah shonen owns sffg
>>25233445For fucking real lmao
>>25232760Whats dumb about that? Go on.
>>25232613Lmao
>>25232844You're welcome, anon.
>>25233262I've watched the anime and am current on the manga. Did you read it because it's by the author of Legend of the Galactic Heroes?
>>25233492>I've watched the anime and am current on the manga. Huh, haven't read the manga myself. But I heard speculation that it won't even cover all novels.And if anime was fateful to manga, then it's a pretty significant departure from the novel.Like the novel likes to have very long expositions of stuff about the history of the world.>Did you read it because it's by the author of Legend of the Galactic Heroes?Funny thing I saw the 2011 anime before I even knew of LOGH. I have also been reading LOGH novels.They are a bit different. LOGH novels have very few scenic details; the author barely discloses whether the scene is set in a spaceship or on a planet. Arslan's novel has more such details, but it also has a weird sense of humor.Also, it's kinda weird how the manga oversexualises characters, pic related is 2011 Farangis vs Farangis from the 90s OVA, think the latter is more faithful to the novels.
>>25233256Poop your pants
>>25232401>What message is there left for him to deliver?What's the deal with Mimara's Chorae? How exactly did she banish the demon?("Chorae only negated violations of the Real; they returned the world to its fundamental frame. But Gin’yursis had come as *figure and frame*—a symbol wedded to the very Hell that gave it meaning ….Mimara’s Chorae should have been *useless*.")What was the prophesy that made the Consult covertly assist Mimara via a skin-spy in The White-Luck Warrior?(“Then she cannot be harmed. *All* the prophecies must be respected, the false as much as the true.”)Who the hell Kelmomas was experiencing love towards in The White-Luck Warrior?(" He thought about his previous murders and the mysterious person he saw trapped in the eyes of the dying. The one person he loved more than his mother—the one and only. Convulsing, bewildered, terrified, and beseeching … *beseeching* most of all.*Please! Please don’t kill me!*“The Worshipper,” he declared aloud. ")What's the deal with the fucking tapestry? There is a lacune that the characters keep mentioning, but we, the readers, don't know shit about.(“Yes ...” she said, her eyes still closed. “So she simply wandered in from the Wild?”Kelmomas nodded about a gargantuan swallow. How ravenous he had been!“As quick with child as that tapestry from the Feast Hall.”)Who is the Meta-God, whom Kellhus mentions exactly once? Is it different from the God of Gods and/or the Absolute?(“Praise be the Meta-God.”)Why does Mimara see the No-God, but does not see Kelmomas when he was in the same tent with Esmenet? Is the No-God a blind spot to the God of Gods, or is he not?Why did Bakker forgot to include in his extensive glossary the mention of the 'Twoheart' guy? Is it not important, given the Kelmomas/Samarmas thing and the Anasûrimbors as the potentially perfect vessels to power up the No-God?https://secondapocalypse.fandom.com/wiki/Anas%C3%BBrimbor_Sanna-JepheraWhat's with the skin-spies having souls? There is an entry on Aghurzoi in the Glossary on how the Nonmen used to define souls via ability to speak, and had to concoct the whole Dark Tongue / Dark Meaning category to deny the Sranc any sentience with some absurd results. Is it a hint that the book's understanding current of souls is also faulty?
>>25233551> the book's current understanding of soulstypo
>>25229105how much overlapp does this thread have with /wn/?
>>25233551This is exactly my point. You aren't concered with how The Unholy Consults ending perfectly drove home the actual message (moral of the story) of the series. All you want is answers to mysteries, like it's a Sanderson book. Bakker won't write it, probably because he tried and then realised all he would be doing is writing meaningless slop. Because there is nothing left to add to that message.
>>25232953>>25232976You need a different kind of story.
it's crazy that men go crazy over romantasy then end up reading the same 5 five war stories
Cheeky Bakker
>>25232741>What about any of it is confusing?>Kellhus is wrong and lost.Yet Ajokli couldn't find his soul in Hell, i.e. Kellhus might have had some contingencies for this outcome.>The Dunsult lost too they just don't know it yet.Yet they behave in the same way as Shaeonanra (they are somewhat mutilated to subdue their will and speak strictly in turn, like his possessed meat-puppets).So why the bullshit charade of faking his own death, if the gambit was just to logically appeal to Logos?And why did Aurang order the skin-spy to assist Mimara (the true prophet of the God of Gods) for the sake of some fucking prophecy?Was Mimara seeing the No-God pre-planned by the Consult?
>>25233654>Yet Ajokli couldn't find his soul in Hell, i.e. Kellhus might have had some contingencies for this outcome.Maybe he went to heaven :)
>>25233668Doesn't work with the Hundred Gods' heavens:"For I have seen the virtuous in Hell and the wicked in Heaven. And I swear to you, brother, the scream you hear in the one and the sigh you hear in the other sound the same."Doesn't work with the Absolute's salvation, since Kellhus has shat on Kant's categorical imperative with impunity:"The weight of sin is found in *premeditation*, Esmi, in the wilful use of others as *tools*.” His gaze clicked to the flames. “I have made this World my tool.”Most likely, Kellhus is similar to Malowebi right now, his decapitated head having been switched with the ciphrang and now swinging from the belt, still alive.
Got a couple of question about Terry Pratchett and Discworld books.I'll be honest, I've avoided Terry Pratchett my whole life simply due to excerpts I've seen and the way people talk about him. I fucking hate the idea of sci-fi and fantasy books whose sole goal is to be funny, and I hate the idea of achieving said funniness by being some quippy and shallow satire of society or some morality tale. And the impression I got was that that's what Terry Pratchett writing is like. But over the last decade I've inadvertently fallen in love with Jack Vance books and I find them to be unironically hilarious, so I've started questioning myself and wondering if maybe I'm wrong to be prejudiced against Terry Pratchett. Anyone else on a similar path? What do you think about Pratchett?Also years ago I wrote down some books that were supposedly good to get started with Discworld: Small Gods, Guards! Guards! and MortSo basically my questions are>Am I wrong about Terry Pratchett?>If you like Vance, do you also like Pratchett?>Are the books I've got written down a good starting point for Discworld or did someone pull a fast one on me?
>>25233706yeah its crazy
>>25233101it works
>>25233253nice
>>25233706>Am I wrong about Terry Pratchett?Most likely. I dismissed it as YA/holds up spork type stuff but it is more sophisticated than that. >If you like Vance, do you also like Pratchett?Not necessarily. Its certainly a lighter read than Jack Vance. Vance mogs Pratchett in basically every way an author could. Having said that, I found their sense of humour distinct enough that I could enjoy both for different reasons. >Are the books I've got written down a good starting pointYes. All 3 would be okay. I started with Mort personally and then read the sequels within thay little mini-series before moving onto another sub-series of Discworld. Read the synopsis of the three novels you mentioned and just start with whichever sounds most interesting to you.
Recommend me some good cyberpunk reads written in the 21st century?
>>25233741Thanks anon, that's a pretty honest reply. I guess I'll give Pratchett a go next time I have an opening in my reading list or audiobook list, whichever comes first.
>>25233756I don't do audiobooks often because I find them hard to focus on while simultaneously doing other tasks, but Discworld would probably be good for that as Pratchett's style and prose is relatively simple. I could see myself mowing the lawn or cooking dinner while listening to one of his books. Hope you enjoy it anon, whatever you start with (just don't expect another Lyonesse and you'll probably not be disappointed)
>>25233706>Am I wrong about Terry Pratchett?Yes. He almost never relies on modern Whedon-style quips for humor. His earlier books are largely parodies of classic fantasy stories, later ones have more linguistic humor.>shallow satire of society or some morality taleVery wrong. Pratchett had really great insight into human nature and society issues.>>Are the books I've got written down a good starting point for Discworld or did someone pull a fast one on me?All three are good to great. Small Gods is standalone and among the best he ever wrote. Mort is one of the early ones - it's a decent starting point, but keep in mind that his skill improves a lot in later books. Guards! Guards! is about where the series starts being consistently genuinely good.
>>25233769That's fine I have huge stretches of time during my day where I'm going on autopilot so it's perfect for absorbing audiobooks..>just don't expect another Lyonesse and you'll probably not be disappointedi fucking love Lyonesse. but in regards to your post, I won't, I've made sure the audiobook time is devoted to lighthearted books I don't take too seriously.>>25233789A bit concerning. I never thought Pratchett was Whedonesque. I was worried he was too much of a moralizer. And things like this>parodies of classic fantasy stories>Pratchett had really great insight into human nature and society issuesjust fit into my expressed concerns. However that won't stop me from checking out Pratchett, that first anon who replied to me was a real nigga, unlike you, so he won me over.
>>25231471It might be a little difficult to understand what the illustration is at first sight, but I think that halfway through the book you'd realise they put a huge spoiler on the cover.
>>25233704Can you explain everything from the end to me like I’m 5. I have forgotten some stuff cuz I read it long ago.
>>25229105I can attest that anon's book was an enjoyable read.
>>25233827 The big situation at the endThere are basically three important things going on:The Consult (the bad guys) are trying to shut the world off from Heaven so no one gets judged anymore.Kellhus (the super-genius emperor) goes to stop them.Everything goes… very, very wrong. What happens to Kellhus?Anasûrimbor Kellhus goes to fight at Golgotterath.He thinks he’s in control.He thinks he understands gods and fate.But then: The god Ajokli shows up through him. Kellhus was basically being used the whole time.Then suddenly: Kellhus gets killed (by Kelmomas, his own son). And Ajokli disappears.So Kellhus’s big plan? It fails. Completely. What about his soul?This is the confusing part.In this world:When you die, your soul goes to the “Outside” (afterlife).Most people get eaten or tortured by demons/gods Kellhus thought he could avoid that.But… He used people as tools He got tangled with Ajokli He didn’t actually escape the systemSo the simple answer is:He’s probably trapped or being used, not peacefully saved. The creepy kid (Kelmomas)Kelmomas is very important.He’s kind of… wrong in the head.He ends up being super important to the Consult’s plan.He kills Kellhus.At the end: He sits on the throne He might be connected to the No-God (the apocalypse entity)So basically:The worst possible kid is now in charge of everything. Did the bad guys win?Pretty much… yes (for now).The Consult succeed in starting their plan again, which leads to: The return of the No-God The world heading toward doom One tiny hopeThere’s one important exception:Mimara has something called the Judging Eye.She can see who is truly damned or saved.She sees that some people might still be saved.So even though everything looks awful: Not everything is completely hopeless. Super simple summaryKellhus thought he was playing 4D chess he got played insteadGods are real and scary they don’t care about human moralsThe bad guys basically winThe world in serious dangerSmall hope Mimara can still see truthIf you want, I can also explain what the No-God actually is in the same simple way—that part is wild but important.
do i really need to grind the whole wikipedia section before reading the judging eye...
>>25233838what is it about?
>>25233841No—you really don’t need to grind a wiki before starting The Judging Eye.In fact, doing that can make the experience worse.Here’s the honest take:R. Scott Bakker writes to confuse you on purpose at firstYou’re supposed to feel a bit lost and then slowly piece things togetherThe book reintroduces what you need as you goIf you read a wiki:You’ll spoil major revealsYou’ll turn a creepy, mysterious story into a checklistYou’ll lose that “what is actually going on?” feeling that makes it workWhat you should do insteadJust start readingAccept that you won’t remember everythingIf something feels important and you’re totally lost, then quickly look it upOne exceptionIf you’ve completely forgotten the basics of The Prince of Nothing (who Kellhus is, what the Consult is, etc.), a very short recap helps.Not a deep dive—just the essentials.Bottom line You don’t need homework You need momentumIf you want, I can give you a 10-line refresher with zero spoilers so you can jump in clean.
mimicking chatgpt stopped being funny years ago
>>25233805You mentioned quips, which in their modern form are largely influenced by Whedon. TVtropes even calls this style "Buffy speak". Pratchett has almost none of that>I was worried he was too much of a moralizer.Comparing to Lyonesse, which is the only thing I read by Vance, Pratchett moralizes far more. >a real nigga, unlike youur a faget
>>25233842Apprentice MC travels with his master (both Gravecallers who work with death magic) and a member of another Path with her two apprentices, to a far off city because they were requested to perform at a celebration. Shenanigans ensue.It's a bit rough at the beginning but the engine was greased well and it was enjoyable to see where the plot eventually went.
>>25233848Kellhus = control, domination, certaintyAkka = doubt, emotion, humanitySimple as.
>>25233848It's not the first time Bakkerfag has dumped text walls over the slightest provocation. These are samefag power hours like normal. He has a huge ego which includes thinking he is hilarious.
>>25233840Thanks, that refreshed my memory.
>>25233840productive reply in the sea of seething kids.
>>25233853sounds nice
Do you listen to music when reading?
>>25233871Anon drops a download to his .epub every now and again if you want to read it yourself sometime.
>>25233878No, splitting your attention in half isn't any good.
>>25233139whats special about WoT? I read that it is not finished cause the guy died and another guy continued it.
>>25233897But the other guy DID finish it
>>25233897very cosy and the endings are always pretty greatbad is that there's a section in the middle which is absolutely irredeemable garbage and it sucks getting through it
>>25233840>Mimara has something called the Judging Eye.>Not everything is completely hopeless.>Small hope Mimara can still see truthI think this is oversimplification.Mimara seeing the No-God through the Judging Eye seems to imply that the God of Gods (aka the Zero-God) is immune to the sealing of the world from the Outside.So the Consult might starve off the Hundred (the overgrown demons), but not the very source of judgement, Hell and damnation.On the other hand >>25233654, the Consult seems to be aware that Mimara is special that way, and they indeed have been scheming to make her arrive to Golgotterath to apply her Judging Eye upon the No-God.The real question is, for what reason?On the third tentacle, Mimara couldn't see Kelmomas when she was applying her Judging Eye upon Esmenet, so apparently there are some special conditions when the No-God can be comprehended by the God of Gods.
Say, what's so special about Salammbo?
>>25233840>>25233866>>25233863Not it isn't. This isn't even accurate. The "kid" is not "sitting on a throne," and the idea that he "might somehow be related" is pure AI slop misreading.>>25233704>Most likely, Kellhus is similar to Malowebi right now, his decapitated head having been switched with the ciphrang and now swinging from the belt, still alive.Probably not. The Sorweel as the WLW instantly sees Malowebi in the head, and even understands who it is, although they have never met, through Yatwer. Souls trapped in the heads are clearly visible to the Hundred and anything in the Golden Room is particularly visible. So, I take it the heads are a narrative device to have an ignorant observer, and the second one is simply a red herring like the Heron Spear.Since we aren't ever going to get a conclusion, we'll never know for sure what happened. However, a shit ton of things have to happen just so to get the NG to the Golden Room at just the right time. This to me either implies that it was simply destined to happen, and everyone was being moved towards this outcome as some sort of inevitable conclusion, or that Kellhus intended Resumption for whatever reason.Bakker probably did put some thought into the ending of each series, and I think it's instructive that the first ends with the "history" of the No God's first defeat getting rewritten in Achamien's dream after Kellhus has secured power, such that the No God wins. The second series last movement is the Judging Eye opening on "Kellhus" finally and seeing the No God.Also, potential attempts at retcons aside, the visions Kellhus has in the first series are obviously supposed to be the No God, not Ajokli, and that's who he thinks he is talking to (both God and NG actually, per the discussion in TTT at the end). Now he might be insane or misled, but it's certainly not totally clear. The NG is in many ways the best outcome anyhow. "Winning" would just mean feeding everyone to eternal suffering.
>>25233935buy an ad
>>25233925>On the third tentacle, Mimara couldn't see Kelmomas when she was applying her Judging Eye upon Esmenet, so apparently there are some special conditions when the No-God can be comprehended by the God of Gods.Really? I just recall that he isn't present when it opens.With the Dunsult, I don't know why it couldn't be both. In TTT, we learn that souls can be layered over other souls in possession. Maybe Shae is taking advantage of their grasp of logos, while also being shaped by them.
>>25233706Small Gods is a good stand-alone. Guards! Guards! isn't that great but it's the first Watch book that introduces you to the characters and some of the later Watch books are the best that he wrote. Mort is alright for an early book, it too is stand-alone (sort-of).
>>25233704>since Kellhus has shat on Kant's categorical imperative with impunity:you cant shit on the categorical imperative by making up conditions outside of it.
>>25233925>Mimara seeing the No-God through the Judging Eye seems to imply that the God of Gods (aka the Zero-God) is immune to the sealing of the world from the Outside.I always figured this was the case as well, because at the end of the day, the No-God is just a shitty 'Tekne' invented by the race that created the Inchoroi. That in no way has been proven to actually work against the Zero-God. It doesn't even make any sense for it to do so. The Zero-God's continued existence is not reliant on consumption of souls, so it cannot be starved out.Something else that's never been clear to me is if 'hell' is even a natural part of the world or something caused by the Hundred. The assumption of the Consult must clearly be kind of... that it is they who cause hell and damnation and not the Zero-God. However, the Judging Eye seems to be pointing to it actually being the Zero-God that places you there. Now, maybe hell isn't supposed to be the eternal suffering in the most horrible ways imaginable the way the Hundred have turned it into. But if they think they will be rewarded with heaven by simply eliminating hell, they are wrong, which is what the Consult's ultimate downfall will be, in my opinion
>>25233956No really, I'm wondering whether it's worth reading. I want to know why it's considered special.
>>25233963>Really? I just recall that he isn't present when it opens.First, Mimara sees Esmenet as saved through her POV:" There she stands before her, Anasûrimbor Esmenet, the Blessed Empress of the Three Seas. Haggard. Palace-pale. A rose-silk sheet clutched to her breast ...Dark with the writhing, straining shadows of countless carnal transgressions.Glowing with the promise of paradise.Tears ... An inarticulate cry.Tears. "Then, through Kelmomas' POV, we see that he was right fucking nearby, and that Mimara failed to see him up until, apparently, her Judging Eye finally closed:"Kelmomas had lain next to his mother in the pretense of sleep, probing the leather-chambered complexity of the Umbilicus with his hearing. <...>He pressed through the stamped leather, saw them, snivelling, mewling. He had no recollection of leaping from the mattress. He simply found himself standing, staring, breathing.The two women clutched one another, balling fabric in fists. Mimara faced him, her cheek mashed into her mother’s neck and shoulder, her face pinched about a thousand passions. “I was so afraid,” Mother hissed, her voice cracked and muffled.Mimara’s eyes fluttered open, glittered for tears in white lantern-light. She somehow failed to see him, stared at what seemed to be Eternity instead. It sickened him, how much she looked like Mother.“I’m sorry, Momma,” she whispered through a shudder. “I’m so-so sorry!”She blinked tears, peered as if through a sudden gloom, then with a perplexed air gazed directly at him. "
>>25233956An ad for a 200 year old book?
