read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi
it's peak

>>25231150
This is the same guy who said that one chinese fetish story where a guy turns dudes into women so he can lust after them without feeling gay, is peak.

>>25231155
wrong, I don't even know what chinese fetish story you mean.

>>25231150
femc novel? Unless she is trans I won't read trash.

>>25231160
Reverend Insanity

do not read Reverend Insanity by 蛊真人
it's shit

>>25231150
>new poster who doesn't know what crunchy litRPG is or what otome means has taken up baking
the shill campaign is tiresome but it's not the worst tax
story isn't good unfortunately

>>25231168
>muh otome
stop being a cringe faggot, nobody cares that you are a weaboo.

>>25231171
the culture is built on weeb shit, retard tourist. the shitty slop you've been shilling is literally based on otome tropes
lurk more

>>25231173
Not cultivation novels though.

Royalroad stories have good writing, but it's all woke, gay and lame, while Webnovel stories are probably written by the brownest stinkiest Indian but at least it less faggy.

>>25231175
true. cultivation is its own bubble

>>25231173
dumb retard, I don't give a shit.

>>25231180
>I don't give a shit about the subject of the thread
okay nigger. then leave
>I don't care so much that I'm going to be a whiny bitch about it and shill my garbage fic every day
real convincing. gonna keep engaging and try to convince the thread how much you don't care?

Why are we getting raided?

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>>25231185
keep seething

>>25231150
I'm enjoying reading your story, anon.

>>25231150
>fmc
>female author
>constant shilling by said author
no, enjoy your 1 star

If you have troubles writing female characters because of your low EQ and no dating experience, make them trannies. It checks the female box but they think roughly like normal men and they can do Dual Yang Cultivation.

Subscribe for more writing advices by a nowritelet.

>Using weaboo as a pejorative
>on 4chan
>the weeb site
>shilling a weeb story
You are fucking retarded bro, this is the first time I agree with FFF kun on anything.

>>25231258
I was reading something with a tranny protag where they described him as being massive and burly and not acting feminine at all. there's even a plot point where he works as a bar tender because he's so big and intimidating that he scares off sleazy customers
I don't think you can check a female box by writing a man and calling it a woman. there does seem to be a tranny box though if you for some reason care about that criteria

>>25231262
ouch wtf don't conflate me with FFF that's a low blow

>>25231267
Relax, I was talking about >>25231244, you took AoE damage for no reason

what if his goal is reverse shilling because he hates the author and wants people to review bomb them? that’s something fang yuan would have thought about

>>25231293
that's korean protagonist levels of scams, that is

>>25231299
It's fascinating how Korea somehow managed to brew Confucian collectivism and yuppie individualism into one insidious soup.
They're like Space Age Skaven.

>>25231285
gomenasorry...

>>25231171
im more interested in how you even stumbled on the niche weeb site of RR then clicked on a small Villainese/otome novel without even knowing what otome is. what was your path to RR? this thread?

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>>25231176
It's mostly SEA, with some Africans, Indians, South Americans and Slavs sprinkled in. You can see GuiltyThree, the Russian in the middle with the grey blazer, hes #1 All Time on WB. The Indian in the black tuxedo on the right is Raj_Sha, hes number #16 with Timeless Assassin.
So yeah in short:
Royal Road is Coastal American
WebNovel is Global South.

>>25231338
>majority women
nobody tell fmc seether

>>25231342
hes gonna melt down like crazy
thats odd though, like 95% of rr top authors are male. why is webnovel different?

>>25231082
Even if he was buddy buddy with every big author in the scene that doesn't change much. That's the default. They all collude and butffuck each other yet MLA still blew them all out of the water

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RR is Archmage-pilled
They dream of being the strongest already and just dicking around while never being under any real threat
WB is Warrior/Assassin-pilled
They dream of rising from the bottom to slay gods
Really makes you think

>>25231347
I think asian LN/WN culture is closer to female interests than western and RR's writer base has more westies
>villainess
>cozy sol
there is some of that in RR but I bet not to the same extent. Webnovel is much more connected to its LN roots and is just way more anime in general
that said, western femoids like YA and historical fantasy and that isn't far from what we see in western webnovels. magical academy stuff seems practically built for them. I wonder if there'll be a tipping point where webnovels become normie enough for women to start writing them, resulting in a flood of academy stories

>>25231356
Archmage is just a passing trend, a blip in history. RR is the exact same in preferring weak to strong

>>25231363
You may be right but personally I think its deeper than that. I guess we'll see how long this trend lasts.

>>25231363
I wouldn't be surprised if weak to strong/OP MC ended up being a pair of cyclical trends that follow each other as they trend in and out
if you start smelling archmage fatigue in the air, upload your azarinth healer/primal hunter/DCC style stories

>>25231368
I personally think regression is going to become more and more popular. It mixes progression with OPMC in a satisfying way.

Just had an idea for fem mc archmage slop. I hate it. We are supposed to be better than this.

>>25231376
>We are supposed to be better than this.
Better than what? This is the slop thread, the archmage trend is no more and no less slop than any of the other typical RR premises
Just don't exclusively trend chase, that's what gay. If the idea popped into your head organically because you like archmage stories, do it
Basically, don't NOT make an archmage story just because you don't want to be seen as a trend chaser.
Listen to your slopsoul!

>>25231376
The difference between being old and mature is that the mature person knows they aren't better than this. And that's fine.

>>25231376
(you) are not immune to the propaganda
if you like it, you like it

>>25231330
I discovered the novel Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi because of weekly chapter review anon's weekly chapter reviews.
I don't remember what my path to RR was. My browser history backup only goes back to 2022-02-18, I read novels on RR since then at least.

>>25231338
What's PirateSoftware, aka "Thor" doing there?

>>25231376
> We are supposed to be better than this.
Are we? Is your goal to earn money or to write art? In the wn genre it's neigh impossible to do both.

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>>25231347
Nobody can beat SEA women when it comes to spamming out stories. Nobody.

>"hey, here's my story that I wrote"
>single post
>takes responsibility for writing it
>modest
>pro-social
5 star review, followed, favorited, and given the blessing of the algo gods
>"hello fellow readers, I found this story completely organically and it is the best thing ever and you should definitely read it right now"
>posts at least once a thread
>hides behind astroturfing to avoid criticism
>upsells
>anti-social and exploitative
review bombed, blocked, hidden, and spooling up the account farm to legitimize more accounts for future .5 stars

>>25231391
>neigh impossible
I Was Sent To The Glue Factory But I Woke Up In A Human Body?! The Unstoppable Ungulate's Adventure Begins Now!!!
(The twist is that she knows every spell in every spell book that was ever glued with even an atom of her old body)

>>25231398
if the story has more than 2000 followers and an anon mentions it, it's obviously not astroturfing. why do you retards do this all the time?

>>25231391
>In the wn genre it's neigh impossible to do both.
only for the people who come here from /wg/ because they're depressed and have no other choice
there are several true sloppers here. it's art if you enjoy and are passionate about creating it

>>25231404
okay arcanecadence
you're not fooling anyone

>>25231407
wait, you weren't even talking about the villainess spammer?

>>25231409
I was, I was just making a bit of humour my social cue struggling friend
it's all just humour by exaggeration. both claiming any defendent of something must be the responsible for the subject of scrutiny, and assigning anyone against the narrative as being an agent of the powers that be
honestly I do think treating shills aggressively is good culture. shit's annoying

>>25231419
>I was just making a bit of humour my social cue struggling friend
risky gambit friend, we're 60% autists here

>>25231404
If a story has more than 2000 followers, everyone who cares is already either reading it or has dropped it, and there's zero reason to shill it everywhere all the time, unless you get paid for it

>>25231424
2k follower isn't big
I'm sure I've read a bunch of 2k follower stories you've never heard of, and you the same

>/wng/ — Web Novel General
>nobody talks about web novels
This general is so fucking useless

>>25231424
people like books and will talk about them. the more followers, the more likely it'll happen
it's only weird when it's like a 50 follower story. then it's obviously shilling

>everyone who cares is already either reading it or has dropped it
also, really? 2000? 99% of 2000 follower stories are ones nobody in this thread has ever heard of. 2000 is tiny. I reference 20,000 follower stories and people don't know them

>>25231428
The number monkeys just need to fuck off.

>>25231428
>every post is either talking about webnovels or webnovel culture
ok

>>25231435
the "talk about web novels pls" while everyone is talking about web novels is becoming a thread retard in his own right. at least it's not super common, but I see it way too much

>>25231428
>>25231431
READ SLOP OF THE MONTH X BY RETARD69, IT'S LE PEAK is not "talking about web novels." Actually bring up points you want to discuss and explain what you liked, or fuck off, dumb shill

>>25231438
>Actually bring up points you want to discuss and explain what you liked, or fuck off, dumb shill
retard, there is an obvious reason this never happens and it's because this thread's reading preferences are so divided. none of us read the same shit, as has been clearly established.
the few big stories that we do have overlap on (TWI, worm, etc) have already been discussed
how are you somehow an oldfag and a newfag at the same time? why is this even worth having a meltie about?

>>25231438
>Actually bring up points you want to discuss and explain what you liked, or fuck off, dumb shill
Not your thread, whiner. I will use it however I want. Cry more about it

>>25231438
...what? are you complaining that people casually mention what the read instead of writing a full dissertation about it?
there's no point in diving into it because in all likelihood, the poster is the only one who's read it
you get occasional follow up posts to curt blog posts on what people have been reading, and those will develop into back and forths on what people like and why, but there's no point on autisming out on a story nobody else has read
sure, fuck shills, but you're being a sperg

>>25231448
Weekly reviewer here.

Reading it as you can see from my posts. Started as a 7/10. Mid slice of life chapters dropped it to 6/10

>>25231441
>this thread's reading preferences are so divided
Which is EXACTLY why you should explain your reasoning in your own words and not expect everyone to understand what the fuck you mean by "peak"

/wng/ is like some class of disabled kids that need a constant caretaker to not eat cables or drink from toilet bowls

>>25231448
>and those will develop into back and forths on what people like and why
The only back and forth I've ever seen about those dumb posts is "why are you reading that dogshit?" and "stop doing this, idiot"

>>25231455
>>25231457
your syntax has been noted and a character sheet has been made in the sperg database
would you prefer the class specialization [Schizo] or [Retard]?

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So basically we keep them addicted to it?
Gove them familiar tropes and stimulus so they feel cozy?

>>25231457
no, we just use the thread for a different reason from you, you sperg. I'll mention shit I've read recently and see if people reply back, then have a dialogue if they do. that's it. I sure as fuck am not going to write an essay about it unprompted, I have way better things to do
moreover the web novel thread is not exclusively for readers. that isn't what it was created for, that isn't what the OP says its for, and it isn't what the majority of users here use it for. you don't get to throw a hissy fit because people aren't posting the way you want them to. get a fucking grip

>>25231459
nta, but yeah, that's generally why I don't bother trying to talk about web novels to begin with

>>25231459
I've had good exchanges on dungeon core stories, monster evo stories, katalepsis, necroepilogos, and nowhere stars, initiated by me or someone else making a post about what they're reading
I've also had no replies and retard replies
it's just how it goes. what do you expect

>>25231466
I thought this thread and board was for aspirational readers who want to write webnovels

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>>25231461
>R.A.Paterons
>Literally who
Just seems like a guide writer with no success outside of writing guides (or even at that)

>>25231474
shhh, don't tell him
suckers deserve to be parted from their money
>>25231461
yessss girl, get that bag. YOU too could be the owner of your own independent business! just listen to my podcast, buy my book, follow me on twitter, and support me on patreon to learn how!

>>25231461
>image
no clue if it's reliable
>your post
sure but that's a little reductive. the goal of most genre fiction is to encourage page turning (be addictive) and obviously tropes pull in audiences. it's just a nothing burger statement

>>25231338
>>25231342
>>25231347
I don't care, there is maybe a handful of good novels from chinese publishers and independent authors, the rest are garbage, just a different kind of garbage compared to rr novels.

>>25231473
im not sure what the breakdown is nowadays, but it was made by a group of RR writers to escape /wg/. accepting readers was an afterthought and perhaps even a mistake

>>25231501
>accepting readers was an afterthought and perhaps even a mistake
>death of pro-social perspective/community spirit and the great discord migration was caused by excel schizo and FFF
it was an internal operation I'm afraid
the distinction between writer and reader is retarded to begin with because every writer is also a reader. any discussion that gets too technical for a reader will filter them by necessity of being something they can't interface with

>>25231506
>any discussion that gets too technical for a reader will filter them by necessity of being something they can't interface with
not really, they just input their baseless and ignorant opinions with whatever nonsense they feel like typing. they don't self-filter because the topic grows beyond them
they also have meltdowns about writers talking about writing or the surrounding RR scene rather than exclusively web novel content, like happened above
ALSO also, RI is 100% a read-only, and I bet fmc sperg is too. we're all a little mentally ill here but it's a bigger issue in the read only anons from what ive seen

>>25231506
Producers and consumers. Producers who consumer are not the same as the human capital that only consumes.

>>25231398
Posting my story here has not gotten me reviews. I only got a review after reviewing the work of another author who asked.

>>25231514
>they just input their baseless and ignorant opinions with whatever nonsense they feel like typing
I think most of that was tina. the inane injections of absolutely retarded, surface level writing takes into actual discussion has disappeared
no idea what the
>nobody talks about web novels
retard is about
I respect (most) readers. so long as they stay in their lane and don't try to act like they understand writing, they're the impassioned few. charming autists with love in their heart for silly things
notable exceptions excluded of course

>>25231518
I've done all the analytics stuff for several /wng/ shared stories except reviews
exposing and leaving my account bare for all to see... ecchi...

>>25231473
Fuck no. This thread was always about reading webnovels, but at one point it got infested by /wg/ rejects.

>>25231524
No it's a direct spinoff of /wg/ and we temporarily re-merged with /wg/ when the mods were deleting the thread

>>25231524
newfag spotted. it was literally made by writers and only writers used it for months before /sffg/ found out about us. that's when it went down hill

>>25231536
>/sffg/
Explains the random Heinlein mentions

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I dropped this novel since the author inserted some gay shit in it. Wasted my 5 dollar.

>>25231538
it's also where RI came from. apparently he was their schizo first
oh, and also spreadsheet fag too

>>25231540
>Book about the Gayreeks
>There's gay in it
Sasuga

>>25231536
>/wg/scumbag detected
You have to go back.

>>25231549
retard, YOU need to go back. this is our thread. we made it. we just fucked up by inviting you in

>>25231553
Nobody invited Ri-fag femc seether.

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>>25231558
I invited myself in. Hope that's ok with you.

>>25231601
Xer titties is so big

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>>25231609
Fang Yuan has a really good idea for coal that can be polished into diamond

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>that feel when you want to keep reading smut, but you've got sclerosing lymphangitis, so you have to change webnovels to something less sexy

>read reverend insanity
>Fang yuan turns multiple men into women
>Gay orgy arc
>Black men get pregnant
>Fang yuan is ruthless towards women who even look at him, doesn't care when multiple men who openly lust after him
>The most "chad" venerable who's name translates to giant dick is researching pregnancy methods and collects gu like "blood menses gu", pretty clear if the novel didn't get banned he'd turn into a woman or be revealed to be a woman all along at some point like his descendant hei lou lan who is replicating his cultivation path on a smaller scale

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>>25231775
Fang Yuan has eyes only for fishussy

Why is RI so popular among autists and trannys?

>>25231936
Guaranteed replies.

>>25231474
>>25231461
Sanderson and King are hardly high brow writers but they're the only ones successful enough to have to earned the right to selling books on writing.
On that note, read them.
They're roughly at the level an exceptional WN can hope to cap out at.

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I have been laughing at this for like 10 minutes now

>>25231993
I feel the blessings of Aphrodite.

If writing in a genre you don't particularly enjoy for money is grifting, why aren't artists who accept jobs at illustration studios they don't like called grifters? And is ghostwriting grifting? I don't understand the mindset of the grift discourse here to be honest.
Creating art with a strong motivation of making a living and not true passion for a given project is just part of most art professionals lives

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>>25232034
and not a single reader to enjoy them

>>25232029
>If writing in a genre you don't particularly enjoy for money is grifting
I've only seen ai "writers" be called grifters.

>>25231699
I Found Myself in a World of Sweaty Pig-Like Men, but Through My【Jade Polishing Gu】 I Turned Men Into Big-Breasted Heavenly Fairies and Dominated Them All! The Demon Venerable’s TS Harem Is Too Slutty!

>>25232037
There was a discussion earlier with an anon who wanted to write a time loop story where both he himself and other anons were calling him a grifter because he had a primary money motive. That's not grifting to me, not even in the slang manner. It's basically identical to artists taking commissions, except the commissioner in this case is a proven hungry genre audience.

>>25231699
Ayo xhe kinda bad tho

>>25232045
is it slop if it's not literally accumulated food scraps meant for livestock?

>written 200 words in 12 hours
bros... the words... they're not... appearing...

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>>25231710
>webnovel I changed to was unlabeled smut

>>25231955
Sanderson is completely hopeless but I think King could write cultivation.

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>>25232074
just take the aipill

>>25232139
I'd sex this grandma.

>>25232139
I look like this

>>25232156
dm me please

>>25231936
see
>>25231775
>>25231155

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>>25232139
Reminds me of Amanda Seyfried in In Time (2011)

I've only read published books, but for webnovels do you anons put indentation at the start of each paragraph?

>>25232139
just make sure to change the author to chatGPT :)

>>25232244
Pfft, no lol.

I’ve now completed the third volume of The Elf Who Would Become A Dragon, and the last chapter of this one has finally resolved an unanswered question that was in the back of my head since reading the prologue. It continues to be excellently plotted.

I promised someone I would write a review or at least elaborate more on my initial strong opinion and I think I’ll do so in a few days. The story is going to end with the next volume which is still ongoing, and I think I won’t start reading that until it’s fully done, so I am for now freed of having to read this book every waking moment.

The way the layers of the story open up as you read further and draw closer to the conclusion of the volumes reminds me of Malazan. Erikson weaves his webs and spins and spins and spins and it’s not only across each book but over the whole 10 book series, and then - convergence. And catharsis. I feel like this web novel is doing something similar, and that the end of the last volume will be insane just like all the others.

I think I’ve come around to the use of Archaic English for the sylvan spirits too. In the last volume and the beginning of this one, the conflict that was happening seemed unrealistic given what we know of elven society, but of course, revelations in this one now make me think back on all the contrived circumstances driving the MC with a new perspective/additional context. This is something Janny Wurts has also done extremely well in her Wars of Light and Shadow series and I’m so impressed that someone on RoyalRoad has managed to do something like this.

One thing I didn’t like however was how the two adult scenes were handled. I would rather they just not be in the work since the platform doesn’t allow for it. Gating it behind patreon had me miffed, especially since we know that even if it has nothing to do with the plot, it still explores some of MC’s specific hangups and were important to her character.

>>25232271
>comparing a royalroad novel to malazan
Stopped reading your essay right here. Buy an ad.

>>25232271
>reminds me of Malazan
Making up irrelevant filler solely by the rule of cool?

>>25232271
>The way the layers of the story open up as you read further and draw closer to the conclusion of the volumes reminds me of Malazan. Erikson weaves his webs and spins and spins and spins and it’s not only across each book but over the whole 10 book series, and then - convergence. And catharsis. I feel like this web novel is doing something similar, and that the end of the last volume will be insane just like all the others.
this has got to be an AI ad

>>25232286
I really have no clue why. I guess it is sort of verbal diarrhea, I apologize because I just finished the volume and had to gush. Now that I’m going to stop reading this one until it finishes the last volume, I can write an actual review after waiting a few days.
>>25232285
I don’t entirely disagree about this criticism of Malazan, because of the nature of how it came about (RPG sessions!) but can’t really apply that to the actual narrative of the entire 10 books. That was definitely planned meticulously. The setting, fate of some characters and what they did, unfortunately yes your criticism does apply. I don’t think it applies to this work though, the comparison I drew was very surface level and about the narrative structure.

>mfw can’t write 200 words of my novel but this anon can just put out essays about his new favorite slop
It has femc btw, it can’t be good. No one is waiting for your review, you can fuck off.

>>25232315
>grrrr, I'm a powerful crab
>get demoralized.... or else!
yeah, maybe shut the fuck up?

>>25232271
This series just feels like a trad pub that was too mid to get picked up even with the bonus points of having a female elf as the main character and decided to slum it with WNs. It's not from anyone in this thread, it's not notable in this space, and everything about it I've seen in here reads like a shill post. It reeks of inauthentic success, of being an industry plant, and I don't want anything to do with it.

>>25232315
I just got in 500 in two hours. I did have 400mg of caffeine tbf, but yeah. What's hanging you up anon?

>>25232286
why would someone do an ad for something that’s rank 2 on top ongoing fiction. that’s like saying people are advertising for MoL when they talk about it
i’d rather have discussions of this sort than endless rehashing of the same durr how can i get popular garbage. >>25232309
post your review when you’re ready. at least I am looking forward to it, ignore the seething neanderthals

>>25232330
it's a bizarrely phrased piece of comedically high praise
I'm the one who asked to read his review in the first place, it's just silly how he's put it

>>25232329
>What's hanging you up anon?
I don't know how to pivot conversations in dialogue or in real life for that matter
characters have been talking about unrelated shit for the past thousand words but there have been no hooks for them to talk about what they actually need to talk about

>>25232335
Not all conversations have to be seamless. If it's something important (To the character), you could just have them awkwardly bring it up mid conversation and have the other character acknowledge its awkwardness to make it feel more real. Now, I'm not saying to have it be that grating, millennial type self awareness, but that's how you could do it.
If it isn't something all that important, just do it like a game of Six Degrees of Wikipedia. You need them to get to Point D, so figure out how you could connect it from Point A.

>>25232322
You are sort of right. I am confused how I ended up finding this in RR. It definitely has colored my view of this work because there’s a certain expectation I have for works published on these platforms vs those that are traditionally published, which is why I’ll be thinking more on it rather than rush to rate and review it for now.
>inauthentic success
Not sure what this means or where you got it from. Do you mean it’s position on this platform or what metric are you using for success? 5.4k followers is lower than this should have imo. Personally I’ll rate it just slightly above A Practical Guide to Sorcery by Azalea Ellis, which is another work I was surprised by that’s on RR and that has 10k.

you have to stop, shill. no one is going to read your slop

What's the best program to write with on the phone besides Google Docs? I don't have a laptop. I know it's bad to write on a phone, but I just want to be productive while I'm out and while not using my computer. It helps to write something down at any moment.

>>25232370
that’s right
you should be reading RI, it’s peak

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why does everyone hate FemMc so much?

>>25232271
>The way the layers of the story open up as you read further and draw closer to the conclusion of the volumes reminds me of Malazan.
I fucking hated the way Malazan was structured, so thanks for indicating that I should never read this one. Maybe it's just skill issue, I've heard Gardens of the Moon is very different than the rest.

>>25232322
meh this is too harsh. I read the first chapter and thought the writing was genuinely solid and I'll probably get around to reading it eventually. it's also rated extremely highly on RR, which isn't worth much but pretending it's an industry plant or astroturfed here is silly. you guys really need to stop with the astroturf allegations, this place does not fucking matter, there's like 10 regulars and a few occasional people that pop in otherwise. absolutely worthless place to try to advertise, especially when you'll just as quickly pick up schizos as a normal reader

>prewrite 200-400 words with pen and paper
>end up writing 2k words of chapter in 40 minutes
>try to prewrite on laptop
>end up struggling to write 1k words in an hour
why does this happen to me

>>25232332
there are stories i would absolutely gush about but which people call 0.5 stars dogshit here, it's not really that surprising he likes it a lot even if it might only be alright. that's how taste works

>>25232383
it's one very persistent very mentally ill anon
that's one of the downsides of anonymous forums, he can throw a tantrum at all times of the day whenever the pronoun she appears and you'll get the impression it's a popular opinion
but we posted our reading lists like a week back and all of us read fmc, a lot of us read more of it than mmc

>>25231398
Honestly I don't think it's so much dishonest shilling as it is some autistic retard who mistakenly thinks he's among friends just as retarded as himself, and that by spamming unpaid advertisements he will generate discussion of his latest obsession. I don't think it's the story's author doing it.

Ideally a moderator would clean up these retarded, low effort, unpaid advertisement troll posts, but...

Anyway I would hesitate to lash out at a fiction because it gets spammed here unless it's extremely clear that the author himself is here being retarded on purpose.

>>25232385
I don’t think it’s a skill issue. Gardens of the Moon is a very divisive work. Did you read the preface Erikson has in it? I think he makes a good argument for sticking with it, but in the end, if you hate it, you hate it. Too many good books in the world for you to be stuck reading what you dislike just in vague hope for something to improve somewhere down the line. Gardens of the Moon does follow a similar structure to the other books, with the convergence and power draws power theme, but you lack so much context about everything that it’s just not a good introduction and immediately filters people.

>>25232335
I have a similar issue with scene transitions.

>>25232372
I looked into this myself and tried some and it's Google Docs
>besides Google Docs?
Why?

If you have an iPhone, Scrivener has a paid app

>>25232404
it has femc, no system apocalypse litrpg shit, not even time travel or regression etc. talking about this garbage will never belong on this forum
it’s insanely high position on best rated and ongoing with no discussion tells me that it is a shilled industry plant

>>25232433
so…what you’re telling me is that its unique and doesn’t follow the “trend” and still got success? and that’s a bad thing?
is it because you just lost your excuse for your shitty story not getting the readership you think it deserves because you convinced yourself that it was due to not having [insert latest RR trend here]?

>>25232361
You know what I mean, but sure, let's break it down.
-The cover(s) aren't eye catching.
-Its a genre mismatch from what the site tends to look for
-Its blurb and description feel corporate. How many writers really put shit like 'All chapters © L. J. Amber 2025–2026, All Rights Reserved.' in?
This sort of shit belongs more on Wattpad than Royal Road. It took me five pages of dick sucking reviews before I found one that was three stars. That doesn't happen naturally. Even fantastic stories have detractors more commonly.
>>25232404
That's bad. If a big story has few critical reviews, it's less likely it's organic. If Twitch streamers can bot their way into success, writers can do the exact same.

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25232433
>with no discussion
what do you mean? I have seen this story be talked about a lot in a lot of different webnovel spaces. not here, but this thread is, again, tiny and irrelevant and what people talk about here is not at all representative of the scene at large
>it’s insanely high position on best rated
a position on Best Rated is just score. there are a number of small stories that sneak onto it for being really high quality. there's nothing strange about that whatsoever
>talking about this garbage will never belong on this forum
as for whether it's regular web novel fare... well not really, I guess, but we talk about APGTS which is straight up a tradpub novel too. so why the double standard?


why are you mad but more importantly why do you sound like you don't know much about these topics and are getting mad anyway? how was there so many weird and ignorant things you said that I had to address in such a small post

>>25232449
>That's bad.
what's bad?
>If a big story has few critical reviews, it's less likely it's organic.
the more enlightened reality (at least from what I've gleaned) is that these stories that are high-rated but niche are high rated BECAUSE they are niche. their summaries put off any of the slop litrpg readers, and so only people looking for the trad fantasy style will click in. and since it's executed pretty well, people rate it high very consistently, and it sneaks onto the best rated page

why does every single success story get conspiracies around it? it's not even that major of a success. It's just rated highly

which isn't to say it ISNT botted or some shit, because we can't say that for sure, but there's 0 evidence suggesting it is. it's not even that weird of an outlier guys...

In other news since I now have to wait for the series to be finished, what should I read next? I have these on my list which are WNs
A Regressors Tale of Cultivation (someone recommended it to me here)
Lord of the Mysteries Volume 3 (I need to stick and deal with the stilted prose)
Reverend Insanity? Is that actually good? Because the guy spamming about it was crying about female MCs and authors and I don’t trust his judgement at all, but it does seem fairly popular
Wander West, In Shadow caught my eye too, has anybody read that one?

>>25232408
This isn't some pseudoscientific bullshit. You should listen.
>Blue light from your screen.
Your brain subconsciously parses blue light as outdoors, so it preps your body for physical activity. Releasing transmitters that increase your heartrate and muscle responsiveness. This takes away caloric energy used by your brain.
>Turn on night light mode if you are using windows, you will find it a lot easier to work.

>>25232468
you can't realistically ask for recommendations without giving at least one quick sentence about what you like or what your favorites are imo
read sky pride

>>25232476
That’s fair. I like more tradpub style books I guess? Interesting worldbuilding, good writing. I don’t like those novels which shove stats in your face, or have brooding emo One Punch Man style protagonists.
What I’ve liked:
A Practical Guide to Sorcery
(The Elf Book Which Makes People Mad)
The Years of Apocalypse
Mother of Learning
12 Miles Below
I actually liked a lot of stuff about Lord of the Mysteries, but the prose is what stops me from devouring it.

I’ve read one volume of Sky Pride, it was fine, but looking for something different now. Maybe I’ll come around to it later.

>>25232506
your taste is pretty close to mine too then, have you tried Worm, APGTE, and Katalepsis?

>>25232475
thanks for the tip anon, will try this out and report back to the thread how it goes.

>>25232511
Yes on Worm and PTGE, although I haven’t finished the second one. I actually got it on Amazon and it has some sort of weird split with what’s on RR and I got confused and just didn’t get around to completing it.
I hadn’t heard of Katalepsis. Read the blurb and it sounds amazing! The fact that it’s completed is great! We do have similar tastes!

Can I please get empty encouragement to finish this chapter tonight? I still have 2000 words to go

>>25232522
does your story have male or female mc, are you male or female

I'm going to chud out for a second and say that FeMC isn't a 100% guarantee that something is going to suck, but gay/lesbian romance IS. The kicker is that FeMCs almost always go hand in hand with homosexual content. Sorry, but I've read and listened to enough quirky lesbians to make me sick.
>>25232522
You can do it man! Make us proud!

>>25232522
just word-vomit and fix it in post

>>25232521
>I actually got it on Amazon and it has some sort of weird split with what’s on RR and I got confused and just didn’t get around to completing it.
I saw some reviews saying the rewrite made them sad. Apparently it saw real editing instead of cleaning up and changed a decent amount
APGTE is my favorite serial overall, it takes time to pick up but the highs are the highest in anything I've read online. it does drone on about military bs and scheming too much, and has arcs that drag, but that's true for all serials. you should figure out where the amazon book ends so you can read it

>>25232449
the insinuation that it’s botted is so hilarious, is the patreon money also fake? lmao. does it bruise your ego to concede that it might actually be good? from what ive read on here it’s not the tropefest that usually gets popular and that somehow rustled your jimmies right?

>>25232537
it’s not good you fucking retard it has female mc and female author holy fuck stop simping other anon is right it’s all botted all of the female mc/author combos are botted

>>25232537
You're right. Botting yourself high up so you can get the real readers and their money wouldn't work. That's also why the monstergirl evolution thing was so unsuccessful. Manipulation doesn't do anything.

>>25232532
i'll agree that lots of fmcs end up being lesbian but at least in the big stories it tends to be a side note thing
here's a cheat sheet of good fmc serials for you

straight: worm, apgts, twi
gay or bi but doesn't matter realistically: apgte, yota
lesbian but good: katalepsis

>>25232549
I have seen people in this thread that seem actually convinced that MLA botted its patreon money lol

>>25232549
can you bot my fic?

>>25232545
You are outnumbered, we all read fmc. Your autistic insistence changes nothing. In fact, they're good BECAUSE they're fmc!

>>25232383
>Everyone
It's an obsessed samefag that has been at it since 2014

>>25232571
>since 2014
damn, really? this guy has deep lore?

>>25232579
He first started sperging in /tg/'s QTG then moved to /lit/. Does it for 12 hours a day sometimes.

>>25232558
No, can't afford that. If you have a villainess regression type story to push, however, I can invite you to The Cabal.

>RI lotm shadow slave
>no fmc, no female author
peak by definition excludes fmc, they can’t even farm aura and if your mc can’t do that then i am not reading your garbage

>>25232589
Sorry I just don't buy he's been doing it for 12 years straight, and that he ended up here somehow
I think you're the schizo now

>>25232599
wrong. APGTE has peak aura farming. way better than shadow slave by a country mile, not even comparable. not even in the same discussion. offends me that you even suggested it

I really am convinced that the RI guy and the fmc seether are the same. It's the same edgy, immature category of mental illness, it fits too cleanly

>>25232605
>APGTE
don’t even know what ur talking about but you are completely wrong. no one has ever been scared of females ever and none of them have aura. you are a simp or female

>>25232029
Never heard of the term "selling out"? Hell, the internet ~15 years ago cancelled everyone who sold out

You self insert into your overpowered xianxia young master
I self insert into the useless but lovable childhood friend of my Archmage fem mc
We are not the same.

>>25232616
the thing is that I've read both and you haven't! So I'm more credible and you lose. sorry about that

>>25232219
awful awful movie
one of my favorites

>>25232599
It's impossible to aura farm with prose that shitty. Aura farming relies on a sense of atmosphere that can only be created with good writing. How the fuck can you aura farm when it's written in broken english and the dialogue is robotic and alien? Ruins the entire mood

I’ve unfortunately read Shadow Slave (and dropped it after sticking with it far longer than I should). It’s not good, and the fact that you also keep talking about RI means I’ll have to take it off my reading list.
Shadow Slave’s author has never interacted with women in his life I think. There is some interesting worldbuilding there but the character work and writing quality is so shoddy I was surprised to see how it had such a large fan following.

>>25232620
Are you Tina?
Be honest now

The term aura farming is cringe.

>>25232643
>writing quality is so shoddy
Shadow Slave has the best writing of those by an absolute landslide. It was the only one readable to me, and I dropped it at like 50% (after the antarctica arc)
Which is to say it's in the lowest 10% of writing I could suffer through. I was in a drought back then. I really don't understand how people read webnovel.com stories
I've tried LOTM 4 times by now after a million people gushing about it and it's just so fucking terrible on a line level. I really really want to get into it but I can't, the people speak like robots and the narration is so gross. Actively repulsive

>>25232412
>One
There are at least two of us

>>25232651
Older generations always find new slang cringe. It's a very useful term for talking about an aspect of indulgent fiction that's actually very important to readers. A lot of people read web novels exclusively for the aura farming moments.
I'm not even sure if there's a neutral academic way to label it. What would you use?

>>25232656
The issue with being a spammer is that I don't believe you, spammer.

>>25232666
This is my first post in the thread, satan

>>25232675
>The issue with being a spammer is that I don't believe you, spammer.

>>25232654
I dropped it at a similar mark, after Antarctica. I also agree about how bad the prose in Lord of the Mysteries is, but the unique power system and those tarot scenes have kept me grinding away at it. What helped me was that there was a new or edited translation which was somewhat better than what I was reading before (near instant drop for that one) due to some official release.

>>25232532
>>25232550
FMC's should either be gay or not interested in romance at all
If you want straight shit, go read romantasy.

>>25232754
or just nominally straight, which is all 3 of the ones i mentioned. they're straight and it's very lightly relevant with very minor romance at best (or not even mentioned), but doesn't matter at all for the story chapter by chapter
i think if you need them to be asexual else you're offended that your waifu is talking about sex and romance, you have some issues to work through

>>25232621
I'm a loser why do I wanna self insert as a loser

>>25232754
My fem mc literally fantasizes about broad-shouldered tall chads.

>>25232768
Are you lovable though?

>>25232769
i can tolerate it but I don't really like it. that's too female-gaze for me

>>25232774
It's fem mc story, why wouldn't they act feminine?

>>25232771
I'm ugky do you really wanna see my face?

>>25232777
i want them to act feminine. that encompasses a lot of behaviors
i don't want to read paragraphs about lusting over men. again, I can tolerate it, but I won't like it. and if it's too common I'll drop it

Honest question after years of reading overpowered main characters im kinda tired of it. I'd like to read someone reincarnating into 40k warhammer like world and being slave in one of hive worlds going about every day life in a diary like style. Or being disciple who failed in life who works as guard or trains kids since he wasn't talented enough to do anything but we get to see events from their perspectives like demonic sect assassinating head of Wu clan. I'm guessing most people would be tired of it so best would be to have person be powerless while constantly experiencing conflict and there's no good ending like you lose your arm, sect cuts your balls cause you failed exam and they don't want your bloodline to corrupt the clans potential. Misery porn of some sort

>>25232784
Maybe story where mc fails entry exam and is taken into assssination chambers where he fails so they force feminize him to lure people and assassinate them

>>25232788
>Maybe story where mc fails entry exam and is taken into assssination chambers where he fails so they force feminize him to lure people and assassinate them
how does this relate to what I said? why did you (You) me? pervert

>>25232789
You like female mc just story plot im throwing in there. Imagine training arc to become irresistible beauty for demonic cult where they flood your body with poisons to release pheromones to enchant men and you get euphoric when ever they touch you so they know your into it.

>>25232788
i'm tired of both of those extremes, OP MC or a subversive examination from the perspective of a useless grunt on how horrible war is and so on
where are my completely mediocre MCs that are just chill guys that have fun with the system and maybe get a plain jane gf

>>25232800
are you the fmc retard himself? or just deranged in your own way? freak

>>25232803
honestly i don't get why you want boring personalities for your leads. it's very difficult to wrap my head around

>>25232810
boring personality =/= mediocre power level
my issue with 99% of web novels is that the main character is either 0 or 100 in power level but have boring personalities

>>25232815
>MCs that are just chill guys
>plain jane gf
sorry but this definitely reads like you want them to be boring, chill, plain, average people personality wise, etc
there was another guy (apparently not you? it was just a day or two ago) talking about how he wants more boring personalities like the delve protagonist. was the really not you?

>>25232803
Mediocre is boring if anything I feel like misery porn aspect hasn't been fully explored and is gold mine.

>I was reincarnated into Brothel run by Demonic sect and cleaned cum stains of young masters

>I was reincarnated into biggest magic mine and worked as an accountant for dwarves


Watching character essentially become pinnacle of power and top everyone is so tasteless and ruins world building since there's nothing left to explore or fantasize. When your slave in mine and never seen light there's lot of stuff for reader to imagine about world >>25232820
Boring people have boring personalities misery people are insane and insane personalities are fun. Imagine character or behavior of boy toy who was raped for years while training as a disciple for heavenly cult. But if your mediocre there's nothing interesting to write and most of us are mediocre but none of us are rape victims

>>25232820
that wasn't me, no
i shouldn't have worded it as chill or plain jane as that does mean personality, i meant in terms of not concerning themselves with becoming the best in their region, or obsessing over gravitas among others in the system, just trucking along as low/medium power level without any divine providence to have them ascend to the top, not earning a modest living and indulging in home comforts and slow domestic upgrades, or progressing in their social station, etc

>>25232826
go back to /trash/ /wfg/ you shitty erotica writer. i don't mind people talking about erotica when it's brought up but dumping your fetishes unprompted is just freak behavior

>>25232830
>not earning a modest living and indulging in home comforts
i meant earning a modest living im tired

/wg/ go back! Stop raiding out thread!!!

>>25232830
then I agree, I very much like slice of life stuff with interesting personalities and smaller stakes plots

>>25232837
you only show up to complain about /wg/ and whine, you don't actually contribute or chat. >> your posts in this thread, i'll happily do the same

>>25232769
Sounds gay, desu
>>25232777
Acting feminine is one thing. I sure as shit don't to to read about being attracted to men.

>>25232826
If you want misery porn read 1% lifesteal (stubbed, pirate it) (or buy it, why not). MC gets strong but he keeps suffering so it's still miserable and good.

>>25232848
>(stubbed, pirate it) (or buy it, why not)
Basically everything is on KU. Do you guys really not have KU?

>>25232834
I don't like erotica if anything they should just say he was raped we don't need details but it should show character mental health was harmed in process. Like he sweats when he sees other people's genitals , can't get hard when talking to women or finds sex or anything sex related revolting or becomes sex addict. >>25232830
This sounds boring if anything it should be characters goal to get a normal life but in process suffers like he has to become assassin, kill innocent people or steal and manipulate others to barely make ends meet not to get to top. If character has normal life handed to him easily what will you write about that most would find interesting?

For instance in Pakistan you can pay someone hundred dollars to assassinate someone, in Africa you sell your own kids to get loan on your next harvest or parts of Asia where parents literally sell their organs so their kids can go to school. For most humans normal life is outside of their reach >>25232848
Getting strong ruins it though since there's hope

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>>25232830
>>25232836
>>25232838
Look for "Slow Life" as a tag or in the title (in Japanese LNs). It's a whole subgenre now.
On Royal Road look for "cozy" or "slice of life," too.

>>25232852
I read the first two sentences and you continued typing like a schizo so I'm not reading the rest
Fuck off freak

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>>25232788
You can just, you know, make every character cool. Not everything has to be either a self-insert power fantasy wank or misery porn.

>>25232851
I cannot in good conscience recommend anyone pay a SUBSCRIPTION for ACCESS to DIGITAL TEXT. It's disgusting. I'd rather people pirate it and not even support the author. KU is extremely exploitative.

>>25232852
>Getting strong ruins it though since there's hope
A bit of hope just adds to the misery later. Trust me, the author is a miserable guy and he makes his MC suffer greatly. And even though the MC is getting stronger, he's laid out an extra-planetary threat that is basically going to fuck everything up, and MC is not even close to ready for it, and almost certainly won't be when it hits.

It's stealth cultivation so it's a clear frog in a well set up and yet the MC continues to suffer endlessly. You got exploitation, a slavery arc, extreme body mutiliation, psychological torture, friends murdered brutally, allies betraying, MC betraying allies because he's fucked up too, tons of bad stuff.

>>25232838
>>25232853
i'd like a story about an adventurer whose ultimate quest is very mundane but is of ultimate importance to them and only them, and a large part of the story is convincing the reader that they should share the MC's emotional resonance to this quest, rather than simply being told it is the highest number or it self-evidently being the biggest toppest mountain to climb in this world
sort of like frieren, but without being set after the "ultimate quest"

>>25232857
>I cannot in good conscience recommend anyone pay a SUBSCRIPTION for ACCESS to DIGITAL TEXT. It's disgusting. I'd rather people pirate it and not even support the author. KU is extremely exploitative.
This retarded ass opinion being followed up with you confirming you're the deranged freak posting about his fetishes is so funny to me

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>>25232858
Just Add Mana -> Quest to be able to perform Baking Magic.

>>25232859
So you think that I'm the person I replied to, huh?

>>25232863
>So you think that I'm the person I replied to, huh?
I've been refusing to read their posts and read some weird keywords when I skimmed your post so yeah, I did

I do think you're dumb for your KU opinion. You seem to be offended by temporary access. You pay 12$. You think you should own perpetual rights to millions of books for that? Get a grip

It's obviously exploitative on both ends but so is every single venture in modern society

>>25232840
Why are you reading a story about a woman then?

>>25232857
>And even though the MC is getting stronger, he's laid out an extra-planetary threat that is basically going to fuck everything up, and MC is not even close to ready for it, and almost certainly won't be when it hits.


Like sound of it but what's character goal? Just to survive or become strong or save world from this planetary threat?

>extreme body mutiliation, psychological torture, friends murdered brutally, allies betraying, MC betraying allies because he's fucked up too, tons of bad stuff.
But I do wish to see misery plus anti hero stories more often. I recently found this internet community of people who want human extinction or all life on earth to be extinct. Like there are so many insane people to draw inspiration from suicide bombers , cult leaders who have hundred women harems, cartel execution videos , African cannibals in Congo hunting down miners working for Chinese. Our world is so insane we're just so shelter from it all that we barely see it

>>25232866
NTA
Because they're written as actual people instead of autistic number-bots
I don't care about the gender of the protag but most male mcs are boring as hell. FMCs get real personality and focus on narrative way more than MMC

>>25232851
>Do you guys really not have KU?
no of course not
could you fucking imagine lmao

>>25232863
>but without being set after the "ultimate quest"
i hoped that would have also excluded the OP MC aspect of it
is it too much to ask for these writers to write about a normal fucking guy with grounded aspirations that speak to the human spirit rather than number go up -- but still written in cheesy easily digestible litrpg format with constant carrots to chase after and progression

>>25232874
>could you fucking imagine lmao
imagine reading? yeah it's rare here, I've seen

>>25232876
ah yes, I too may only read with the express permission of bezos
hopefully he deigns my tithe worthy of allowing me a couple thousand words

>>25232877
before we continue, do you read stubbed works by pirating or you just don't at all?

>>25232879
I read that shit before it stubbed
yes, all of them
ALL of them

>>25232881
i respect your slop supremacy then, I actually didn't expect that response
no notes

>>25232865
>I do think you're dumb for your KU opinion. You seem to be offended by temporary access. You pay 12$. You think you should own perpetual rights to millions of books for that? Get a grip

I disagree with the business model and so I don't support it and advise others to not participate. That's all.

>You pay 12$. You think you should own perpetual rights to millions of books for that?
I think the model of subscribing for access to text is outrageous. Same as scientific journal articles. They cost nothing to store and reproduce and even serve, and yet [company] gets to make massive profits off it? No.

>pay $15
>get physical book
>have perpetual rights to do whatever the fuck I want with that book forever
I'm okay with the aspect of not being able to profit off the text, ie in the sense of making copies of the text and selling them for profit. But if I want to store the book, make copies of the book for personal use, lend the book to friends, rebind the book, or resell the book, that's my right.

KU isn't even that. It's just amazon paying authors to go exclusive to entice readers to pay more than what amazon pays authors to make a profit for themselves, and a large one at that. It's monopolistic behavior and only even possible due to the really stupid way the copyright system has developed in the last century.

Thanks for reading my blog. Like, comment, share, subscribe, and hit the bell to stay notified of my next unhinged and barely coherent rant about copyright and business practices.

Do any anons here write their own novels then? Suprised we don't get self inserts here

>>25232887
How does your first sentence correlate to the second? Obviously people write here. Can't say whether any of them have self inserts, but there's probably one or two.

>>25232885
I agree. I think the issue is that I see it from an author's perspective, I assume you're a read-only poster. KU supports authors, so why wouldn't you? Capitalism has shit fucked everywhere and your petty stand is just losing artists money, I hope to god you aren't pirating their work and thinking you have the moral high ground
You can also buy their ebook directly have an .epub like you want, btw... REALLY hope you aren't pirating when that's the case...

>>25232887
I start a new fic, get 10~ chapters in, get beset on all sides by neuroses, and drop it only to continue the cycle after a week of slop sabbatical
>self inserts
my protagonists are usually designed from an isolated part of my personality taken to a logical extreme

>>25232887
>Do any anons here write their own novels then?
I bet more than 50% are writers

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>>25232870
>Like sound of it but what's character goal?
In a general sense he's too broken to have much of a personal goal but in later books he settles on, actual spoiler figuring out how to enjoy life, and doing so. He's annoyed that the world is about to end and deprive him of being able to enjoy things.

>>25232875
Bro you are splitting hairs at this point.
Read Banished from the Hero's Party.
Again, you're looking for slow life which is more common in Japanese LNs because they're about a decade or two ahead of RR culturally. There ARE slow life webnovels but there's no tag.

>>25232895
>you HAVE to support every bad business practice or you're a race traitor
tad cucked
patreon is the better way to go if you're concerned about ethical consumerism

>>25232900
answer me bitch. do you pirate their shit when a $5 epub is easily available in standard transaction processes, breaking all of your moral outrage?

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>>25232866
I like tits.

>>25232895
No, KU EXPLOITS authors. AND readers. Authors have to sign an exclusivity deal with KU. That means that as more authors move to KU, there's more and more pressure to move there until it eventually forms the majority of the market. This hurts every competitor in the long run. Frankly I think the practice should be outlawed (this would kill all the streaming services, too, which I support).

I'm actually an author myself but not fool enough to dox myself with these spicy opinions.

>You can also buy their ebook directly have an .epub like you want, btw... REALLY hope you aren't pirating when that's the case...
I pirate digital and buy physical. I would encourage others to do the same with my work. It's not only pretentious to think one can own and control information like a physical object, it's hubristic.

>>25232906
generals contain multitudes
personally I practice both immoral and moral behaviors on a whim, including piracy and direct transaction
KU is a rancid pox. digital distributors thinking they're owed processing fees when they don't do anything other than hold monopoly is absolutely fucking foul and supporting them with any perspective past "yeah, it's an evil necessity but it's already standard so I go along with it because I have to" is dismal

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>answer me bitch
Rude AND impatient.
Blocked.

>>25232916
>No, KU EXPLOITS authors. AND readers.
I almost viscerally don't want to read the rest of your post when I addressed this with
>It's obviously exploitative on both ends

But I'll try to reserve judgment. I'll continue to read...

Oh my god it's just really obvious shit. You're a hypocrite
We live under a fucked system and kys for thinking you have the moral highground here. Either be a man with a strong moral sense and don't steal shit and feel smug about it (meaning just don't read those stories at all), or live under a shitty system and help authors by having a KU sub
I don't even care if you pirate stuff if you know it's bad, this is 4chan, that's normal. What I cant stand is hypocritical smug assholes who think they're morally right about it

>>25232921
>a story where person is so abused , miserable and lonely that when world is ending it makes him happy
I've got like 10+ outlines for stories with this exact premise
one day anon... one day...

>>25232918
you seem to think I disagree with how foul the system is. I never have suggested otherwise. I think you're a faggot for thinking you are taking some moral imperious highground when you pirate shit because you aren't supporting amazon

personally I will continue supporting my fellow authors even if I hate the system, you gay faggots

>>25232925
>I deleted post sorry for spoiling

And I just want diversity in thought since I find mc who succeeds at everything more demoralizing since none of us are like that. If anything if we were reincarnated into wuxia sect we'd try every under handed technique to insure we made cut and to survive. Constant stress, paranoia and anxiety of what lies ahead of you while realizing this world is more hellish than one you fled. Isekais offer us escapism where we would strive in right environment but in reality most of us would fail. It's like thinking if you went back 15 yrs and started your life over you'd be in Cambridge doing particle physics not working at high school.


>>25232931
Hope you make it author anon hope you can create new branch in isekai where loser remains loser and reminisces stuff like hot bath , running water and rule of law in his past life.

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That anon's issue is he thinks pirating is immoral. It's not. Nor is it stealing. Stealing deprives the rightful owner of a material object. Making infinite copies isn't stealing. A lost sale is not a theft.

If I want to support an author I'll buy a physical copy of their book or donate somewhere with the least amount of processing fees. Ideally through crypto, but sometimes through patreon or paypal or whatever.

The one subscription I do pay is $5/month to J-Novel Club, for pre-release access to licensed LNs, SPECIFICALLY to support their translation activity. It's usually of good quality, even if I do not typically go back and buy the ebooks they release.

If they did disappear it wouldn't affect me much since I can already read moonrunes.

>>25232934
or you could cut the middle man and sub to their patreon
I think you're a faggot for caring to any degree about big brother amazon's poor bottom line and how people buy their books. supporting authors through other avenues than KU isn't some sort of backstab against authors and the community as a whole
uncle tom ass house nigga trying to shame others for not kissing ass when everyone is in the same shit situation together

>>25232947
you ghost posted me so i'm not reading anything past the first sentence
you sure will convince the 3 other regulars im sure though

>>25232948
>or you could cut the middle man and sub to their patreon
this is good
what is NOT good is if you pirate shit and then act morally superior about doing so. if you refuse to read amazon stuff, don't pirate, and only sub to patreons, you are a saint. genuinely. I don't know who's who so I don't know if you're the based anon who just reads all slop before it even hits amazon
all I care about here is the gross faggoty hypocrisy of stealing work and acting smug about it

>>25232947
>SPECIFICALLY to support their translation activity.


Can't Ai do this now why do we need humans?

The whole appeal of isekai is escapism. Nobody wants to read about a loser staying a loser except for people feeling guilty over liking something they perceive as immature. Leave the cringy misery porn to The Last of Us 2.

>>25232952
>the effect and basis of moral effort is nullified if principals are ever breached
nah im gonna do what I want, including pirating (you)r book if it so suits me
my occasional dips into piracy isn't going to prevent me from calling KU shit, deferring people from it, and taking other avenues to support authors

>>25232964
are you dumb as shit or something? I said if you know it's not morally superior that's fine. you can hate amazon and pirate shit and that's chill. it's only when you start claiming a moral highground and that you SHOULD do this because its MORALLY RIGHT that it's retarded
read the fucking conversation. you're definitely the other lowcaps anon who hates on other people for lacking reading comprehension and you're doing it to me now

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>>25232957
>Can't Ai do this now
No in fact it cannot.
Translation, because of its inextricable tie to MEANING, can only be performed by humans.
Languages are not lookup tables susceptible to statistical pattern recognition.

>>25232959
But the thing is we need to make people aware of how much worse it could get instead of mediocre we do misery. Have reader immerse themselves in life of a sex slave , peasant , mercenary who'll be killed moment he stops fighting cause of parasite worm in him, lab rat for mage who toys with character. Maybe life of a drug addict who cares about nothing else and reader watched character slowly lose himself over addiction. I think human misery is much more diverse compared to pleasure and its untouched gem in isekai genre. Amount of pleasures we human have are limited but amount of ways we can be tortured are infinite

>>25232969
unless you define what "acting morally superior" means, you could be sperging out about anything
having any opinions on moral standards and ethical practice at all is enough to set people off and get defensive about being moralized to, how am I supposed to know what your silent line in the sand is that offends you and sets you off?
>reading comprehension
nigger. you pull this when you're conflating multiple posters with completely different posting styles. no, I didn't address you bitching about moralizing because that had nothing to do with me and what I said
you're freaking the fuck out and being a hostile chimp. my comment wasn't prosetylizing, just saying a person should use patreon if they care about ethical consumption
chill out, damn

>>25232989
you can't say to chill out while calling people niggers, I've been no more rude than you, retard
anyway, my throughline has been extremely clear. if you want to whine about how exploitative amazon is and that you're taking a moral stand (by not subscribing) then you should actually take a moral stand and not interact with the amazon system at all, meaning don't steal shit exclusive to amazon. completely ignore those stories.

the problem is that so many people say "don't use amazon!!! we're doing a moral justice here!!!" and then follow up with "just steal all the tiny authors' content, we're doing 0.000001% damage to amazon!!! :)))" while actually, meaningfully affecting artists' bottom lines.
It's just so obviously retarded that I hate I have to explain it

>>25232973
NTA, one of my main antagonists has this type of mentality mixed with the demeanor of a Fraiser type of person. Until he has to take his own medicine, that is. It's interesting to see it in the wild again.

>>25232973
The main thing is that almost nobody wants to read misery porn.

>>25232997
>the problem is that so many people say [shit that I didn't say]
okay? the reason you feel the need to explain something not immediately relevant is that your blood pressure is insanely high and you're not thinking straight
your whole thing here seems to be based on a puritanical perspective that you have to follow a binary behavior of cock sucking amazon or not interfacing with it at all, which is retarded. you can be against the principals and consequences of a subject or system while still participating and engaging with it. especially when said system and subject is the majority of the market
>just steal all the tiny authors' content
who is saying this as if it's rational rhetoric. pro-piracy anon is mildly retarded for having a purely mechanical perspective on the effects of piracy, but even applying that statement to his stance is a huge leap
before your schizophrenic ghosts whisper inferences into your ear, I personally don't use amazon in any capacity, nor do I use KU, nor do I pirate anything on KU (not entirely true, I pirated DCC and sent the file to my nephew)
your whole sperg out is entirely pointless because you're just raging against moralizing and non-present strawmen, not engaging with the subject of ethical consumerism and the issues with KU and distribution monopolies
I'm telling you to chill out not because of your language, but because you're pissed about shit that doesn't matter at all. I clearly understand that vulgarity doesn't mean shit. yes, moralists are annoying. no, I'm not moralizing to you. I don't even think piracy anon is a moralist, I just think his stance is juvenile and underdeveloped which results in awkward disjunction in his opinions. I do agree with aspects of his sentiment (that distribution monopolies are bad and if possible it's better to buy goods and support artists without them)

>>25232973
Sounds lame and gay

>>25233028
That's cause no good write has written it well but if it does a new genre will appear
>>25233018
Let us know when you publish story would love to read it but any reason why he's antagonist? And is main character like some goody two shoes or is there more to it than meets eye >>25233036
Why is it lame? Would wanna know ehy

>>25233029
dude i got flashbanged by how long this post is. christ. i'll try to read it
>the reason you feel the need to explain something not immediately relevant is that your blood pressure is insanely high and you're not thinking straight
you're doing that thing where you try to insult people with stuff that's just wrong again. I've seen other people slam on you for this. i'm drunk and just chatting. you say other people are sensitive and then get a rod up your ass for being called a retard. my blood pressure is not high, I do care about what I type, and these are my opinions and I'll defend then, but I'mjust vibing and chatting. stop writing fanfic about me and others

>your whole thing here seems to be based on a puritanical perspective that you have to follow a binary behavior of cock sucking amazon or not interfacing with it at all, which is retarded. you can be against the principals and consequences of a subject or system while still participating and engaging with it. especially when said system and subject is the majority of the market
nothingburger, you clearly lack reading comprehension about my opinions. no this is not at all what I've said

>before your schizophrenic ghosts whisper inferences into your ear, I personally don't use amazon in any capacity, nor do I use KU, nor do I pirate anything on KU (not entirely true, I pirated DCC and sent the file to my nephew)
dude, I want to know why you invaded on this conversation at all. you are so chronically in this thread that you want to insert yourself into everything, even when you don't belong, and then get mad about me assuming you had a reason for inserting yourself. we're both chronic posters but at least im somewhat self aware, you do this shit way too much

I don't even think that you're stupid, it's just that you shove yourself into conversations you don't belong, without saying NTA, and then people (not just me) continue on their throughline topic, and you muddy the fucking waters and then sperg about it. Genuinely, please, self reflect. you do this shit too much

>>25233038
If I wanted to read people wallowing in misery, I'd scroll through social media.

>>25233044
You only see superficial misery though through a story you'd see their internal state of mind not just the appearance of misery. Misery isn't something that exists in world but rather dwells in our own minds and good write would be able to flesh it out to reader while making it engaging. Plus why do you think social media is addictive it's cause we desire misery from news on wars to criminal investigations about serial killers or mass murders.

>>25233038
I've posted it before here, but long story short, it's a rivalry with his brother who is one of the two main characters. They have opposite views on which stories are best and will eventually find they were both wrong (Not in the way you're probably expecting though). I'll likely post about it when I finish the second volume.

>>25233063
*here before

>>25233063
So are we reading from antagonists pov or mc?

>>25233043
oh fuck off
>it's not that my reasoning was compromised by being mad, but that I'm drunk and angry posting as a conversational pass time
pedantry. when I say "[you're exhibiting irrational and compromised behavior]" I'm extending an olive branch of speculation on why you're being so retarded. no, it's not some freudian arm chair psychology as if I'm dictating the truth of your being
>stop writing fanfic about me and others
the last time I got accused of writing fanfic it was a description of someone's posting behavior which they misconstrued as a description of their personal life
>you clearly lack reading comprehension about my opinions
>>25232997
>if you want to whine about how exploitative amazon is and that you're taking a moral stand (by not subscribing) then you should actually take a moral stand and not interact with the amazon system at all
this certainly reads like a dichotomous structure which posits the absolutes of taking a moral stand being necessitated on not interacting with the amazon system at all
>I want to know why you invaded on this conversation at all
I quipped and added one (1) relevant clause to a reply chain in that you if someone is concerned over ethical consumerism [in the webnovel sphere] they should just use patreon
you then challenged me and demanded I explain myself. no shit I engaged with the conversation after that

you can make accusations about my posting behavior, but doing so while declaring yourself self aware is obscenely retarded. you're literally fucking drunk. I'm pretty sure this is the second time you've gone off while drunk and I've had to go "dude, chill the fuck out"
I'm perfectly aware that I get annoyed at being misconstrued and get argumentative and I try to compensate that by taking the people I reply to on good faith and listening through on their points
>their throughline topic
of ethical consumerism, KU, and piracy?
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>>25232885
which all of my posts address?
>>25232900
>>25232918
>>25232948
the throughline of the conversation is NOT your personal stance that you find moralizing and inconsistency of ethical perspective and behavior to be annoying. YOU brought that shit up all on your own, divorced from the rest of the conversation

>>25233080
omg it's even longer. i took psychic damage. i really considered ignoring it
ill try... i can do this...

actually there's nothing worth adressing

>>25233085
>shifts the talking point, accuses the other person of not listening, then checks out when they thoroughly examine what is being said
you fuckerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
stop posting drunk goddamit

>>25233077
The mcs obviously, though there are occasional chapters from other povs, including his.

>>25233090
i know you think you're being turbo logical here but my point was so clear from the start and you kept trying to spin it off and then got mad about some side point you were trying to make
i have seen you do this while totally sober, to other people

>>25233097
okay shithead. if your point the whole time was that inconsistency of moral standard is annoying, then my points on ethical consumerism, which the main body of the reply chain was talking about, were the ones relevant to the throughline and your point on disliking incongruent moral frameworks was a second order digression
>I'm le nooticing
go ahead. yeah, I find it annoying when people misconstrue shit which happens all the time and is normal human behavior. it's cunty as fuck that you try to take some intellectual high ground and accuse me of not having reading comprehension when I assumed you were extending the conversation of the reply chain
don't accuse me of that shit if you're wrong about it, christ. yeah, my bad, I assumed you were on the same track as the rest of the conversation

>>25233053
>it's cause we desire misery from news on wars to criminal investigations about serial killers or mass murders.
No, it's because I want to see more art of anime boobs.

>>25233118
lol
you really do belong in /wg/