Previous: >>25269856>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg>Thread question:What is the worst SFF book you have read this year and why didn't you like it?
I just listened to the episode of her podcast where she talks about her favorite manga with her co-host who only reads western litI'm sorry, /sffg/, but I just can't hate her
>last book you read>current book you are reading>next book you plan to read
>>25278641A game of thronesA clash of kingsA storm of swords
>>25278641>3 body >Thrawn trilogy 1 and elric 3>3 body 2
The book mind virus is strangling me. Ive been practicing speed reading in general, social media, youtube comments etc. And its been killing me. Theres a tug of war, when you speed read, youre subconsciously and consciously at the same time admitting that this thing is not worth your time, but youre still interacting with it, so by definition its not completely not worth your time else you could ignore it. And its just made reading anything completely unenjoyable for me. I have zero interest to read slow enough to dwell on the words, but I also want to read them.This is all just a way to explain another layer as to why I've been unable to get to page 150. I'm dreading the feeling of speed reading, it feels horribly unentertaining, but the worst part, is the last set of pages I spead red just proved to me how pointless carefully reading is. Uhhh Random Beasts/Monsters start appearing in remote areas and killing people and people think its Utopia, so people get riled up about Utopia and get ready to attack them or whatever.Theres nothing else to glean from that chapter, it was just a recounting of events with the most stupid boring narrator ever, atleast before I had Mycrofts quirky interjections and obsessions to tide me by.I will get to 150.
>>25278641>last book you readEmpire of the Vampire, loved it. >>25276565>current book you are readingCarl's Doomsday Scenario, two chapters in and I'm tempted to DNF.>next book you plan to readEither Library at Mount Char or Empire of the Damned. Probably the latter.
A Parade of Horribles, Dungeon Crawler Carl #8 - Matt Dinniman (2026)There comes a time with anything that does power escalation where the creator has to ask their self, "Where do I go from here?" That's the case with this book. It's even stated that this may be the most overpowered group of crawlers ever in the history of the show, certainly so in terms of how many are still alive. When fighting against monsters, doing tasks, and going against each other is no longer killing enough crawlers due to them cooperating, what remains? The simplest way would be a rule that says only a specific number of crawlers can still be alive to get to the next floor. Dinniman instead chooses a mix of environmental hazards and rule changes.The 10th floor is 7 heats where the crawler and NPC teams race to the finish line, not only to get the top 3 finisher rewards, but because last place is death. There's surprisingly a lot that's in the favor of the crawlers. It could've been that there weren't any NPC teams or other rules that went against them. In practice though, there's so much against them that this book has by far the greatest decrease of active crawlers in percentage terms.When I started the book I was initially concerned that the 7 races would become repetitive and unexciting over the course of several 100s of pages. I needn't have been. Each race has its own fresh perspective, novel mechanics, and didn't feel overly long. My amusement was maintained the entire time by a procession of ridiculous and unexpected happenings. That's what Dinniman excels at.I feel like this book may have had the least gameplay mechanics and RPG related stuff of the series. The feeling I got from reading it was more absurdist science fantasy with satirical elements than anything else. There are a lot of reasons for why this could be, but whatever they are, I don't have any problem with it.If I guessed a 100 times for how this book would end, I doubt that I would've guessed correctly. Only a series like this could pull it off successfully. I'm impressed. Not so much by what happened, but by how brazenly Dinniman continues to overturn narrative and game conventions and get away with it. This is very much the case of the rule of cool superseding everything else. Yes, I was thinking that it shouldn't have been possible, but it happened, and it was awesome, and that's what mattered. The concern I have is that this ending and everything else being narratively juggled may make make writing the final two books difficult. Dinniman notes after the book that: "Everything is different now. Writing something that you know will be read by literally thousands of people is goddamned terrifying. Without naming names, I understand now how some people can get…clogged."My concerns have been misplaced several times though and I'm hopeful that streak continues.Rating: 4.5/5
>>25278658>wants to drop DCC at one of its absolute, arguably top moment>plans to read Library of Mount fucking Char as his next bookWhat a fucking botpost this is.
>>25278665I thought the first book was meh though it's been three months since I read it, and this one so far has just been a numberdump and donut whining. I'll give it 100 pages and see what I think.As for library of mount char, I forget where I found it but it looked interesting.
>>25278641>Assassinorum: Kingmaker. >Helsreach>Killer Crabs. I started it but switched books when the dude started talking about his need to get laid. Enjoyed the first book and I want to finish the series.
the expanse or inhibitor trilogy might be the best space operas out there.
Mistborn was so bad it made me consider dropping fantasy altogether, so I decided to finish the SA trilogy with Thousandfold Thought.I'm beginning to realize the greatest weakness of Bakker's writing is how fucking long it takes for anything to happen. We spend so much repetitive time in character's heads retreading old ground that the story feels like an absolute slog. And at this point the crusade feels like a foregone conclusion, of course Kelhaus is going to win, he wins everything. The only interesting bit of this plot is Ikuras compai (or however you spell it) but I fear that he too will be easily dispatched by Kelhaus's Death Note tier anime plotting.If there's another fucking esermeret chapter im dropping this book (again)
>>25278715>Mistborn was so badStopped reading
>>25278715>And at this point the crusade feels like a foregone conclusion, of course Kelhaus is going to win, he wins everything.Screenshot anon already said all this already months ago, should have listened
What is the least faggy fantasy series? Nothing about teenager coming of age bullshit
>>25278776There is literal mountains of slop that fulfils your criteria. Check out Gemmel, or anything with a brash dude and sword on the cover.
>>25278776
>>25278792>buff dude on covershan't
>>25278792This has got to be the least appealing cover I've ever seen.
>>25278797>>25278800least obvious samefaggotry
>>25278805fail
>>25278641>>25278792>>25278805OK, Baynefag, I'll read your book.
>>25278639>can't hate herDepends, what's her favorite manga?
This doesn't feel like a real world that people live in. As much as people criticize Warhammer 40k for being too edgy that isn't really the problem. The real problem is the setting's characters aren't written in a way that's convincing to someone with an above middle school reading level.
Lord of Light is really goodIs Creatures of Light and Darkness also good?
>>25278851ADB is a glorified fanfiction author as well, which does not help the novel.
>>25278848I don't which podcast he's talking about, but there's also this: https://strangehorizons.com/wordpress/non-fiction/a-mitfreude-of-anime-and-mangas-relationship-with-anglophone-science-fiction-or-this-essay-will-not-try-to-get-you-into-anime-and-manga/
I have so many science fiction books and not enough time to read.
>>25278866Not as good as LoL (heh) but good it is.
>>25278889You think that's bad? Imagine liking all kinds of books.
>>25278840Bayne fag is based compared to the other fags he only post that image constanly without elaborating he based
>>25278909Oh, I have some literary fiction too. I was just trying to stay on topic for the general.
Actual questionAre people that only read nonfiction or only read the lamest gay woke pozzed "fiction" that barely even dreams to imagine...Are they mentally ill?
>>25278914Do you have any books that might be considered SF or fantasy or horror? I have The Wasp Factory and Naked Lunch.
>>25278926ntaThere are a lot of books that are like that, especially in recent years.
>>25278922There is lots of people that watch vertical shows
>>25278639One dude starts spamming this bitch name and suddenly shes mentioned all the time here what the fuck is this. Who even knew about this author before coming to this schizo general on the basket weaving forum?
>>25279029It's the same anon doing it. Can you not tell?
>>25278641>Almuric>The Stone and the Flute>The King in Yellow or The Castle of Otranto
>>25279032who?
>>25279054that same anon
Anyone who talks about Bakker below this post will contract terminal ball cancer and die.
>>25278664your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
King of /sffg/.Simple as.
>>25279366Enjoy your terminal ball cancer, idiot.
Oh Oh sisters, another meltie incoming.
>>25278664How do you manage to read all this trash? Just how bored are you?
>>25278874>Black Jack>Akira>Trigun>Astro BoyBased.
>>25278715>I'm beginning to realize the greatest weakness of Bakker's writing is how fucking long it takes for anything to happen.What do you think of the Wheel of Time?
>>25279387Babby's first japanimation
>>25279406And they set an impossibly high standard.
>>25279411frieren is better than them all though
>>25279414
>>25279424Why are you laughing? It's a based take.Akira is boring as fuck.Trigun is okay, but is dated.Astro Boy is like saying your favorite anime is Speed Racer.Black Jack only exists for girls to fap too before they discover yaoi.
Astro Boy is just black & white mickey mouse for weebs
>>25279526No way... Next you'll say that Kimba is just The Lion King for weeaboos.
>A QUEER ROBIN HOOD: One of the novel’s main characters is a steal-from-the-rich type bandit who is very handsome, very blond, and very romantically interested in other menThis is a description on Tad Williams' upcoming book in October. So it begins...I really hope this is just a marketing gimmick to make Tad seem more inclusive, as he's been pretty subtle most of his career. But things are looking grim.
>>25278641>The Silver Chair>The Horse and His Boy>A Confederacy of Dunces
>>25279366He looks feminine.
>>25279414frieren is overrated fale "deep" normie trash. It deserved to get shat on by Slop Leveling.
>>25279594So he's some sort of... ass bandit?
Don't forget to report and ignore newfag spammers like >>25279326 who actively contribute to off-topic discussion and have been spamming off-topic for over four years.>>21323327
>>25278641>bands of mourning>lost metal>shadows of silence in the forest of hell
>>25278639Scott Lynch?
>>25279594>A QUEER ROBIN HOODMassive L for Tad. But then again, he's Cali lib
>>25279687He's being smart. The biggest audience for fantasy is women and they love some BL.
>>25279594Tad Williams is my dad's favorite author and he resents gays deeply, this will devastate him...
Who the FUCK says "oh-oh" instead of "uh-oh" are (You) fucking retarded?
How do you describe or portray a fantasy setting as being akin to the Hyperborian age?Despite being almost identical to anachronistic High fantasy world, Conan feels distinct and hits a sort of antiquity or Iron Age vibe that isn't really present in medieval High fantasy in the same way. How does Howard do it?
>>25279594Tadfags on suicide watch.
>>25279029A lot of people knew her. TLTL won a Hugo just before they became intolerably gay.
>>25279874>they became intolerably gayAh, 1959.
>>25278664I couldn't stomach actually reading this series because the prose is horrific. But as a full-time smut writer who wants to one day pivot into the publishing industry, I listened to the audiobooks just to keep in touch with the zeitgeist. Holy FUCK I couldn't even get past, like, book three. That's when passively listening while doing other things. It's the first series I've touched since Ready Player One in college where I can say there is zero merit.My stomach turns when I see big Dungeon Crawler Carl stands at the local book shop. It makes me realize I need to pivot into the most basic bitch writing imaginable if I want to make real bank.
>>25279687This but also this>>25279704 the reason it sticks out like a sore thumb for me is that Tad, as liberal as he is (he has made many a post kvetching about Blumpf on Facebook) is that at least in his novels he’s pretty subtle. Meaning, he doesn’t read like the usual “this is my ideology and if you disagree you’re a bigot” faggotry of modern books. I guess it’s just him being a product of his time, as boomers and gen x writers have mostly kept the old school artform of just making the art and letting it speak for itself in some capacity.So to me, either Tad has taken the queerpill (sadly not unlikely) or he’s just playing into marketing to draw in new readers (which are mostly women).
>>25279675Chad
>>25279887I skimmed a few pages of Dungeon Carl at a bookshop and no joke, the first thing that popped up was >Gained 3000 exp.>The loot was 3 potions, 1 apple, boots.It wasn’t exactly that but you get my point. I decided then and there that I would never waste my time with DCC.
>>25279887>Muh prose
>>25279911>muh THE THING THE STORY IS CONVEYED THROUGHYES "MUH PROSE" YOU STUPID FUCK
>>25279911Plotfags are the equivalent of a retard only reading movie scripts because he “doesn’t need all that fancy cinematography to make it work”
>>25279924>>25279918>Muh prose>>25259884
>>25279887I am once again asking you to post your stories furry porn anon
>>25279933>if you want prose that is not dogshit…>you want LE POETRY!!The absolute state of illiterate plotfags lmao
>>25279887>smut>not basic bitch tier
>>25279939You can have one (1) excerpt. Only because I'm working through a commission that is sufficiently alien that the majority of it doesn't read as porn.
>>25279978What the fuck sort of porn is this
>>25279990Every porn story needs a Bakkerian slave farm segment before the mass deaths can begin.
>>25279854Confirmed for being another secondary who hasn't read the Conan stories.The Hyborian age has 15th century french knights in full plate armor, 16th century spaniards in morions, 19th century cossacks and stone age tribals living side by side. it is not "antiquity" or "iron age". Howard himself didn't particularly enjoy those periods. His most liked periods of history were the middle ages/renaissance and the american west/colonial america.
>>25279478>Trigun is okay, but is dated.>datedI am sorry you're a faggot.
>>25278889Theres too many interesting stories and topics out there and my ADHD can't handle it all!
>>25279526Yeah, I remember that arc where Mickey had to stop Oswald from killing all of his friends to prove he's the strongest animal in the world.
>>25279887>It makes me realize I need to pivot into the most basic bitch writing imaginable if I want to make real bank.Well, yes. Name the most recent commercially successful literary masterpiece.
>prosefagBecomes>literaryfictionfagBecomes>poetryfagThats the path you fags choose kys
>>25280032Well, okay. I'm cognizant of it. But it's never been so blatant as the trend of litrpg.
>>25280037As opposed to you becoming just a regular fag?
>>25280044I am a prose hating sigma
>>25278641>start reading the Resident Evil novels>at some point they got updated with CG render covers too
Samuel Delany said sword and sorcery represents what can still be imagined about the transition between a barter economy and a money economy, and science fiction represents what can be most safely imagined about the transition from a money economy to a credit economy.
>>25280088Yeah well Dhalgren sucked
is mistborn YA? this writing is so painfully dull.
>>25280094No, young adults don't read.
>>25280094Retroactively it got classified as YA, but Sando just writes like that
>>25280094thats just Sanderson. Mormons are afraid of any sort of seasoning
>>25280096u tell em, fellow unc>>25280097>>25280100well alright then. I'll keep pushing through.
>>25280094Its not Please never read sandergod you dont get it and you most likely a prose fag, kys
>>25280105I'm telling you not to push through. The writing sucks.
>>25280094His prose is not even bad; he has a strange way of structuring his story. I was reading the first chapter of Mistborn and thinking, "This is not nearly as bad a /lit/ makes it to be," then the mustache-twirling evil noble looks down at the enslaved people and sees one looking up with defiance. The noble almost has a stroke and makes a huge deal of it. That got me thinking, "What? Is this really how it should go?" Now I guess that the whole story is littered with these awkward moments.
>>25280025>UMMM... It's EDGIER ackchually so its BETTERYou will never breed, lmao
>>25280190>x is y>here's how ridiculous it would sound if y's characteristics were applied to x>SEX SEX SEX
>Posts gook toon comic snippet Your life is the stuff of other people's nightmares.
>>25279326>>25279606Couldn't be a proper thread without these two
Sure is /lit/ in hereWell anyway I finished Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go today. Why didn't the clones ever rebel and go on wild killing sprees instead of letting their organs get harvested? They had enough freedom of movement to easily accomplish this
this was pretty good. the scene where he puts brun in his place and breaks his arm was probably the highlight of the entire book
>>25280023fuark real
>>25280181kek how do none of you realize this is just anime translated into pure writing, id be surprised if sanderson never grew up watching anime
>>25280241He says he didn't, but he did grow playing JRPGs.
>>25280251a distinction without a difference!
>>25280241Sanderson is 50. There wasn't much anime at all in the US that children would have access to when he was growing up.
>>25280181>then the mustache-twirling evil noble looks down at the enslaved people and sees one looking up with defiance. The noble almost has a stroke and makes a huge deal of it.I can almost hear the "JUNIOR, YOU ARE COURTING DEATH!"
>>25280181Speed read fuckHe was under inspection and closing an important deal, your slaves acting up at that time its danger for himAnd a skaa looking up its unheard of they say it every 50 pages on the book, that the skaa gave up and adopted the slave role too much
>>25280269>your slaves acting upDude literally just looked up. That's it. He just craned his neck up. It felt like Sanderson was forcing a turn in the narrative there.
>>25280273Skaa dont look at nobles everAnd that inspector is kinda telling him that he knows the noble fucked female skaa which also makes the noble scared since the punishment for that is murder
>>25280282It was awkward. He didn't even need that; he had already established the noble was under scrutiny for fucking the slaves.
>>25280284>;Nigg er
Sci-Fi with the strongest Cthulhu mythos vibes?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaqtpxKwiAcI have already read Blindsight/Echopraxia, all of Revelation Space, Roadside Picnic, Sphere and Southern Reach series and I still feel too much afflicted by sanity.
Thoughts about The Stormlight Archive?
>>25280023Once you realize what tropes are and that they're all basically just jumbles of the exact same shit over and over with very little actual variance or true uniqueness between 99% of them, you'll stop caring.
>>25280288nta why this guy mad?
>>25280312Lovecraft was such a retard.
>>25280318Good but overrated, mistborne 1 to 3 is betterRanking1 WOR2 WoK3 RoW4 WaT5 Oathbringer
>>25280337I have never read him. Just seen some quotes that I thought were awesome. Doesn't mean you can build a whole novel on it though. Seems like it's cool to hate on him these days. I have no idea what to think of it desu.
>>25280312Thomas Sheridan was right.Lovecraft is the definitive great American writer Mark Twain be dawned, he's already forgotten and not read. HP Lovecraft is the amerixan cannon
>>25280312Hull Zero Three Ship of Fools Night's Dawn trilogy Blood Music The Space Vampires Rogue MoonClark Ashton Smith Xiccarph and Mars tales.
>A cold drizzle of fog and rain was sweeping in from the ocean, almost obliterating the guttering arc-lights along the street. Far away sounded the clanking rattle of a cable-car, screeching around the sharp turns. An iron-tired vehicle rattled over the cobble-stones, and from far down the harbor sounded the harsh notes of a fog-horn.
>>25280312>>The singlicious mosty-wosty mercy-wercy thingy wingie is dat we'sey weesey cannotsy-thoughtsy so deepsy-weepsy aboutsy-woutsy dat we'sey wweeasy aresy-warsy so heccin' unimportsy-wortsy.Somedaysey-waysey suresly-wursley thingsies wills gets so heccin' spooksie-wooksies that we as a species-weisies won'ts wants to gets outta bedsie-wedsies anymo' it's gonna be a HECCIN' DARKY TIMERINO!!Jesus Christ, what a FAGGOT. Glad he's fucking dead.
Couple days i go i was gonna listen to the essential lovecraft and the collection starts with like 15 20 minutes of yeah lovercraft was a racist, why should we care about his work if he was racist, racist this racist that so i didnt continue that shiet
>>25280410Basically exactly what he said. Its so fucking retarded too because. People were spooking themselves about made up bullshit from religion long before Science, niggas literally pretended ghosts and shit were real, pretended that mentally ill people were possessed.The closest science has got is to inducing the most shallow "le existential crisis" cuz "the universe is so le big and we are so le small, and the universe is le dying" Knowledge and Science doesnt mean anything, whether its real or not stupid fucking people will constantly find stupid fucking ways to spook themselves to pretend the fact that every "fact" about "reality" is relevant to them, its a self centered projection onto the world, to make ourselves the center of it. Yeah no shit the world ending, and the universe being big would only matter to humans. So would the afterlife, because we're the only ones that can make up concepts like this, or rather the only ones who can communicate it to eachother and understand the other's retarded self centeredness
>>25280438>niggas literally pretended ghosts and shit were realThey are though. I've seen some myself.
>>25280325nta I won't stop caring. The tropes, variance, and uniqueness are overvalued. None of that is what I read for.
>>25280438>people will constantly find stupid fucking ways to spook themselvesExample for others https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roko%27s_basilisk
>>25278639I mix up the Ancillary Justice books and Too Like the Lightning all the time, I've read neither. are either worth it?
>>25280410Oh my science did someone just say that the cosmos is vast and unknowable and that there are things that humanity might not be ready for?HELP ME FUNKO MAN I'M GOING INSAAAANEHow do you people even enjoy anything at all?>>25280438oh ffs legit triggered about religions and science.They're fantasy/horror novels.I mean seriously, that's your complain with him? Noting literary, just hurr durr that's not real cosmology.I'm probably still not gonna read any because frankly it's old. It has become cliche by now. It has inspired a lot of things. I dunno, maybe it still has a cool atmosphere and it builds up the dread and descent into madness well, etc.
>Oh my scienceGo back.
>>25280375Checking those out. Thanks.
>The Friends of Harry Perkins (2019), set almost entirely in the UK six years after a disastrous departure from the European Community, envisions a corrupt land dominated by a tyrannical Conservative party, with a warmongering America clouding an increasingly chaotic world.
>>25280502to what? 4shit? thats where that phrase is spammed.
>/sffg/>99% "f"why not just call it fantasy gaynaral?
>>25280570somebody has been spamming a science fiction series nobody has cared about crying he can't finish it for a month nowthat one guy who whines about how people won't talk about something unless its popular or classic was right you don't actually care
>>25280570Concept sci fi is best on short form which they are very few nowSpace operas is fantasy in spaceHard sci fi filters most normies cause they dont like science
I went to my local library today, and 75% of the "books" on the "new SFF" shelf were romantasies. Is SFF dead, or are all the actually good books already checked out and that's just the slop no one wants?>>25280233>buildsaHow embarrassing.Is it better than the first? That one really dragged and everyone was way too angsty.>>25280490I read most of Terra Ignota and don't think it's worth it. They're very slow and a great deal of it is spent on the lunatic main character's musings on religion, philosophy, and society that don't really go anywhere. The world is a utopia compared to ours, though it's not without problems and falls apart over the course of the series. I DNF'ed about a third into book 4 which dragged way worse than the others, and I've been telling screenshot anon to do the same. I'd rather see screenshots of Suneater instead of the Terra Ignota spam of the last few months.I haven't read Ancillary Justice, so can't help you there. I wouldn't mind someone's thoughts on it though.
>>25280602It was better than the first but still not great.
>>25280490>>25280602https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=17333324
>>25280621Thanks>Ohh, and by the way, why would you add a "genderless language" if every character fits a very obvious gender-stereotype?At least Terra Ignota doesn't have this problem.
>>25280312I still haven't read the fourth Southern Reach.I have it but I didn't feel like going back over the OT. I really thought he'd stop at three. I don't know if it's interesting enough to revisit.
>>25280602>I went to my local library today, and 75% of the "books" on the "new SFF" shelf were romantasies.Im planning on either going to the Library to get a physical book, or buy a physical book as soon as I thoroughly enjoy an epub book I read for the first time. Will likely be the sequel or 3rd book of a series I buy
>>25280640What book/series?
>>25280643Nta, read the post again
>>25280646god dammit
>>25280570Fantasy mogs science fiction and I love sci-fi. Simple as.
>>25280350Nigga… Oathbreaker under Wind and Truth? What are you smoking?
>>25280643Probably sun eater
>>25280670Fuck oathbringer there is 300 pages of slog, the pacing is awfulWhen i got to the end i already hated sanderson and the book so the ending didnt hitEveryone that likes its, agrees that kholinar and shadesmar is awful and horrible paced but to them the ending makes it worth it, fuck that it doesntWind and thruth way more agile read and no slog
>>25280492>I'm probably still not gonna read anyYou should. It's mostly short stories.
>>25279910Every LitRPG isn't written by game developers.So it's all shit.
>>25280602Is there a single one of these Romantasy shit where the female lead doesn't fall for the bad guy? These girls really wanted Hermione to end up with Malfoy, didn't they?
>>25280666What about Science Fantasy?
>>25280599What are some good "hard" sci-fi do you think?>Hard sci fi filters most normies cause they dont like sciencePersonally I mostly just like that real efforts be made into making it believable to not ruin immersion all the time. Is it REALLY scientifically possible? I don't know and I'm not going to know. I don't have a PhD in physics. And frankly a lot of hard sci-fi novels seem to have some significant speculative elements as well.I think there's wasted potential with "soft" sci-fi though when it doesn't make you feel the vastness of space. And of the scales of time that might be involved with interstellar travels. There's something there. You lose it when other solar systems are just like other continents or something. It's different. Each time we go "further" (leaving the trees, going from one forest to the next, crossing a river, crossing the oceans, going to the moon), each step is exponentially harder and "unnatural". Each step changes us more in some ways. I'm not saying it's good or bad.One thing I hate with fantasy, it's the "anything goes" nonsense. I don't hate fantasy necessarily, but I have a hard time getting into the "lore" in any details. I mean it's hard to do it right. Not enough details, the rules aren't known and it seems like anything goes. Too much details, and it can be worse. Who the fuck wants to know about a bunch of random made up crap. But I think it has similar potential to sci-fi in some ways. You put familiar things into unfamiliar environments to explore different facets of them. It can be surprising how certain things remain the same, and how others we thought were inherent maybe weren't. In that sense I don't mind fantasy or "soft" sci-fi, it can get rid of cruft that doesn't really matter. One way to study a material is still to expose it to flame. I think of sci-fi/fantasy kind of like that but for ideas. Mostly ideas about human(-ish) nature.Still, the made up crap can be very distracting and ruin the plot. The good thing with sci-fi is that the rules can already be known. You want to have one or two bullshit technologies, fine. But stick to them. Let everything else follow logically from that. It's probably not possible to introduce FTL scientifically though, it probably breaks everything. Anything that can FTL in one way or another probably has the power to EASILY blow up a planet. So you got to step on eggshells around that topic.You want to make it really scientifically accurate though, and you probably have to stick to the solar system, make your story span centuries, or go post-human. Or find some excuse to keep humans around.My point is that a lot of hard sci-fi just strays too far into the future or post-human territory to have relatable analogies and when the technology becomes too "alien", you start to either need to have a lot of new rules to explain, or "anything goes" again...
>>25278851Read Vaults of Terra
>>25280190When did I say it was better?
>>25280682>You should. It's mostly short stories.OK. I didn't even know that. Oh boy most of it written in the 20s/30s. It's going to be some old-timey crap.
>>25280739>criticize one 40k novel trilogy >dude read another trilogy How much Warhammer 40k stuff must I indulge in before the fanboys will let me say it's overrated
I'm kind of scared. What if I don't like Sun Eater :'(
>>25280785Then just drop it, like we've been telling you to do for Perhaps the Stars for how long now?
>>25280666>Story number 986489475 about orcs elves dwarves and dragons. Fantasy is shit. People like it because it's escapism
I mean the book is quite literally just recounting events at this point. This is going to be a tough read. A very very tough read.Lets say, hypothetically, that by the end of this book, some big meaningful convincing overarching point is made that ties everything together. I think I would have no choice but to conclude that overall, the series wasnt very good.I started off this series with my biggest red flag being how Epicurians were talked about in a way that made them seem shallow and simple, without earning that depiction, and then a point communicated to Bridger that didnt actually make any sense once you dug into it.Next it was when The Witch (always forget her name) abused the transit system to track Jedd Masons movements or whatever, then eventually finds Madames Brothel. It was the first time I questioned the worldbuilding. Why give all that power to one 6 person 'bash (family) where they can obviously abuse and sabotage a system that basically manages multiple peoples lives with zero checks and balancesAnd you cant do the whole "OMG LITERALLY JUST LIKE GOOGLE" googles data collection problems don't necessarily endanger lives, or enable abuse of privacy. Its bad all around but theres a difference between selling information to people who want to sell products, vs selling private information to stalkers. You can atleast figure why the stupid government didn't immediately disallow google to sell your data to companies, since it props up the entire consumerist capitalist system and doesnt break any obvious rules.But these questions kept popping up, and the series never answered them. I smelt the abuse ahead of time, I thought it was contrivance when I pointed it out. Its only ironic that that capacity for abuse was essentially the basis for an entire conspiracy that sparked a war. Its like double contrivance.I won't talk about Kraye, I wont talk about how the Hive system makes no sense and the book refuses to address that nor the guy who I was arguing about who kepts repeating "opt in" (lmao what?????? literally just look at the united states, some people cannot stand that abortion is illegal in some states, and thats why roe v wade was so important to them, the idea that people would just opt in is ridiculous, and if you want to say "flying cars enables convenient transportation" that wouldnt solve population problems, which would only further increase housing problems, theres a limited amount of space on the earth. Also how does the opt in even work without borders? Wouldnt you have to dispatch specific hive enforcers to an area, arent you effectively creating borders anyway? What is the line? The literal line.The terra ignota rule also makes no sense, if there was a big enough rule that mattered to a big enough Hive, why would they ever do a tit for tat compromise?The point is anyway. I've been waiting so long for these questions to be answered, that even if they were, the series wastes too much time to answer them.
>>252807361 you may like hard magic systems on fantasy that usually explains and gives rules to the fantastical elements2 idk foundation, the expanse, three body problem, the martian, red mars, most of these are real science with some fictional elements that spice things up, but maybe this isnt what you want and you want space fantasy justified with science somewhat, for example sun eater isnt hard by any means but they freeze and have to wait decades for spacetravelNot all fantasy is soft magicNot all hard sci fi is 100% real life science
>>25279854It's all the Pleistocene throwbacks skulking around outside the little city-state bubbles of civilization. It creates a Bronze Age or early Iron Age atmosphere despite the explicitly late medieval technological level. The stories that take place in heavily settled regions like Aquilonia feel much more like conventional high fantasy.
>>25280788Both sci fi and fantasy are romance smut delivery methods nowadays
>>25280827>smutJust call it what it really is.foidslopSmut isn't aimed at men anymore.
>>25280809I don't think you're going to get good answers, but then again, I DNF'ed this book 200 pages in. Just drop it already.
>>25280827Like the other poster said. I don't read foidslop regardless
I actually skipped to some random page towards the end of the book to find something interesting to keep me going. So I already have an inkling about Faust being the first thing heard after the trackers went down and back up, I just dont know the full story or the point yet.
>>25280779It really is hit-and-miss depending on who is writing and how much they fit with the subject they're writing about. I would give The Reverie by Peter Fehervari a shot. It's a kind of dreamlike, Hyperion-lite. You can pick up on most of the world without needing a degree in Warhammerology. With a lot of the other Black Library stuff I've read, the appeal is at least somewhat influenced on how much you like Warhammer and understand the greater context of what's going on.
Started the first Sword of Bayne novella today. I'm actually surprised at how good it is. I was thinking it was going to be your typical self-published generic epic fantasy, but it actually feels closer to early-mid 20th century stuff. It has a semi-episodic structure where there's an overarching plot, but so far each chapter has a kind of self-contained storyline. It reminds me a lot of spaghetti westerns or 80s anime OVAs. I guess you really can't judge a book by its cover.
Almost at page 150 but the anon said he stopped at 200 so I may go on
>>25280906I'm pretty sure my copy (hardcover) had less than 800 pages.
>>25278715SA stands for sexual abuse, by the way
>>25280736https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mundane_science_fictionAside from the above, there's plenty that doesn't do anything all that different from the current day but takes place in the near future Earth. I don't know if you'd acknowledge that as science fiction though.
>>25280913I think something about the epub formatting technically makes it seem longer than it is, I think wikepedia said it was about 600 pages
>>25280922The Second Apocalypse being the Sexual Abuse trilogy is not far from fitting
>>25280933ntaIt's about how it's set up in the ereader abd the formatting. If you make the letters bigger, add more spacing, or whatever else, it'll become more pages. What should be asked is instead something standard, such as what chapter was stopped at.
>>25280925Cool kinda like retrofuturism
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACHEST HAIRTHE (no pun intended) BANE OF THE MODERN-DAY BISHOUNEN PROTAGONIST
meds
>>25280785It was the biggest waste of time I've spent on a series. It's Dune/Warhammer 40k but with the crime of being uninteresting and boring along with hundreds of pages of meandering filler per book.
>>25281079>passive-aggressive newfag doesn't know what a funpost isBAKA my head
>>25281086>funpostIs that what schizoposting for years about an obscure series is called?
^ mad his favorite bishie twink doesn't have chest hair
>>25281072Hmm.50% chance this book is VERY good.
One of the most fun reads I've done in a long, long time.
>>25281104https://annas-archive.gl/search?q=sword+of+bayneread it and form your own opinionor buy it idk some of you normalfags act like pirating a megapopular book is sacrilege and heresy
>>25281113Sorry anon, I don't read books, I'm too cool for that. I only criticize and argue about them on the Internet.
>>25281133welcome to 4chan.org/lit/!
>>25281085I see through your plan, you're trying to play on my doubt and faith in fantasy and science fiction satisfying my strict standards borne from my interest and love of philosophy so youre trying to present a framing of Sun Eater that would discourage me from entertaining it and push me deeper into this doubt!! I won't fall for it. I still have enough heart to believe!Also your Dune and Warhammer comparisons do nothing for me, as I haven't consumed either. But what I've heard of Dune does worry me a bit, sounds like faux philosophy.
booktwt and reddit are better sff spaces compared to this place
>>25281243and yet you're still here.
>>25281243You have to go back.
>>25281243what's wrong with this place?
>>25281222All paths lead to dissatisfaction.
>>25281243If reddit removed the upvotes and all that be on your best behaviour shit it would be goodR/cosmere makes me so fucking mad when i browse there
Reading is merely a surrogate for thinking for yourself; it means letting someone else direct your thoughts. Many books, moreover, serve merely to show how many ways there are of being wrong, and how far astray you yourself would go if you followed their guidance. You should read only when your own thoughts dry up, which will of course happen frequently enough even to the best heads; but to banish your own thoughts so as to take up a book is a sin against the holy ghost; it is like deserting untrammeled nature to look at a herbarium or engravings of landscapes. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Japan has so many great urban fantasy books but the US only has the Dresden Files. It's not fair.
>>25281334There are plenty of great English UF books but I'm guessing you won't read them because fem MCs.
>>25281373No one is reading that shiet
>>25280312Shout Kill Revel Repeat by Scott R. Jones is a short story collection that might interest you.
fuaaaaark!!!https://youtu.be/mQnF-LVgOLIi already have a phone, is an e reader really better for reading? i dont know but im slowly getting swept up in the hype, i like the idea of physical books but in reality its been a disaster, especially at night. i might cave in to the ereader revolution coming
>>25281526Screencap anon, follow your logic, not emotion. Create philosophical arguments why you should and shouldn't. I shall make no appeal.
>>25281530Its not about logic! theres an experiential gap! i dont know what ereaders feel like and why people use them, so i dont know the benefits or advantages over a phone, which is why im asking for others experiences and why they affirm them!
>>25281104>grammerI'm not going to trust this review considering they can't spell grammar correctly.
>>25281243all shit, this place is just the least bad to talk about sff in.
>>25280779Black Library as the other anon said is hit or miss in quality. The books are written to help the playerbase with conceptualize what their army faction or named characters from the tabletop game are doing in the setting.That being said most authors are pretty medicore from Black Library and a lot of the books just feel of power fantasies. I so far only found Dan Abnett and John French to be enjoyable to read despite nothing special with their prose that would elevate a science fiction book over the likes of Gene Wolfe, etc./tg/ would have better recommendations for BL's catalog if you still want to persue the 40k universe. I personally find anything involving the inquisition to be the most fun as they deal with several types of threats where as Imperial Guard and Space Marines as examples are almost all about stuff happening in a battlefield.
>>25281243Of course, when /r/fantasy gushes over shit lit like Dungeon Crawler Carl and /r/scifi over slops like Hail Mary, it has to be a better place.
So is he half-black?
>>25280903>It reminds me a lot of spaghetti westerns or 80s anime OVAs.Picked up
>>25280209People have nightmares about lazing around and watching, reading, and occasionally playing stuff and listening to music?
>>25281709People who stack bitches and paper do, yes.
Okay, okay. So romantasy sucks, but what's an actually good romance in a fantasy novel?
>>25281373>fem MCsThis shitty trend needs to die.
>>25281373I don't read them because they're hetshit with male love interests.
>>25281334For some reason, UF aimed at men (male) are usually in the comicbook space.
read DCC last week because my friend lent it to me. It was fine, laughed a little but it literally is "lawl so ranDum lolzzz"; nowhere near as bad as Ready Player One
>>25281296This is the shit that really sucks about reddit imo. It’s like being in a classroom, for fuck’s sake. If a mod slightly interprets your comment/opinion as mean, you’ll get booted and removed. It doesn’t even have to actually be offensive. It breeds such a faggoty atmosphere of just parroting right-think and HR bullshit that any good discussion is overshadowed by women or s-o-y-boys complaining about a wrong opinion you have. As shit as 4chan is, at least posts here get treated on their own merits and not on gay updoots. The morons complaining about updoots and downvotes in reddit literally sound like children complaining about why they didn’t get a gold star from their teacher.Also pro-tip: if you ever do go into reddit to find good discussion, filter post comments by Newest or Controversial. Most times it’s people just giving an unfiltered opinion.
>>25280788>implying orcs, elves and dragons are the reason why I said fantasy mogs sci-fiSad to live with such little imagination.
>>25278727>>25278715>Kelhaus is going to win, he wins everythingYou're not supposed to be rooting for him, you dummies
>>25282412Lysander will win!
>>25278715I swear I have seen this post word for word before... Anyhow, get fucking filtered plotcuck.
Huh. 1984 is turning out to be far more boring than I remember it being. Haven't read it in ten plus years easily. I had remembered enjoying it more the first time I read it.Strange.
>>25282617What's the book?
>>25282692Science Fiction at Large, ed. Peter Nicholls.
>>25282764Forgot to mention that the screenshot is from Delap's F & SF Review, which apparently was an excellent magazine but it's impossible to find online or at a good price.
>>25278658I finished it. The rest of the book was fine, the first couple chapters were just a big infodump.As far as the story, it just kept getting wilder and wilder, and mundane decisions kept backfiring spectacularly, all in very unpredictable ways. That's probably gonna be the hallmark of this series.I don't have much else to say.3.5/5
>25282321Here we have (you)'s, and here I am not giving you one. Just so you can see how much people here sound like children when you do that.
>>25282928Direct quoting existed before the (You) functionality AND QoL like backlink on hover. You would have to manually search for the post number.
>>25282928I don't know what youre on about but I kinda agree with the sentiment. You're delusional if you think 4chan doesnt have the equivalent of upvotes or downvotes. Human society before the invention of social media, did not meed upvotes or downvotes to sociall discourage certain thought, opinions, and people, regardless of the veracity of their words. Language and the interaction it necessitates by its existence already inherently allows that. All the internet does is create new social structures for which that can manifest, and the ability to create ones own police if they feel force is necessary, the problem there is the police arent bound by a duty to serve, or a higher power unlike in real social structures like government or just any workplace etc. Thats why it can feel "uniquely" oppressive.
With how influential The Hobbit was it's odd that so few fantasy heroes can turn invisible.
Likely the last chapter I will read. I've had enough. Nothing egregious this time. Just boring, shallow affirmations of set sets and Jedd Mason. Whatever is going on there, Whatever point is supposed to be made with Jedd. As sad as it is to give up. I just don't care anymore. Hearing the narrator call Jedd the Kindest most perfectest (they didnt say perfectest) person in the world made me think about something.If Jedd is supposed to be a "trick" a statement about people enamored by perfect charismatic seeming leaders, then I dont care, because hes defined as effectively perfect by the story, and characters react as such, whether he's not what Humanity actually needs, they had no reason to think otherwise cuz hes perfect so whatever. If its the opposite and hes right for humanity, then hes good because hes perfect and I also again don't care if other people disagree, beyond the fact that O.S. is objectively stupid. It just makes zero sense to disagree with perfectness unless its either not perfect, or you just dont care about goodness and ideals. In which case I just dont care because everything is arbitrary (O.S. is already fundamentally arbitrary in their rationalization).There's little for me to glean here, and if there is, the series took too long. Even all this im saying now is sort of empty. Its not really about themes and worldbuilding problems and dissected long ago with no answer from the books themselves. Its really just the fact that the narrative has forced onto me the most boring simple narrator, with zero interesting thoughts, who is largely chronicling events that can't possibly mean anything (because the world building has too many holes and is just stupid) because its just information being shoved down my throat that I just have to accept because the story says so. The story does not give weight or substance to the events. They're just events. Even the whole "Masons le protect Utopia" event was just like "Okay...whatever, so what? Some people are going to get mad, other people arent? I don't even know why anybody gives a fuck its so fucking stupid and meaningless" Thats basically it. As soon as the O.S. problem was introduced and I realized by the end of Will to Battle that my arguments against it weren't going to be addressed, things meaning anything died.Heres the thing: People dont like Utopia for wrong stupid reasons...so what? What makes that worth writing about? People in real life also dislike things for wrong stupid reasons?Its the same with the set set problem, the narrator says: >I could name within the office who would flip out if we revealed this half-set-set Mitsubishi ‘machine,’ but most of all I cursed the proud and spiteful world which could see this wonderful creature smile, and sob, and work to this exhaustion for the good of all, and still deny that they were human.This has been pushed from like book 2? And still up to the final book were milking this problem by giving no perspective to the detractors
>>25283050Because that's too powerful and strict. If your hero's invisible, no one can touch him. If someone can see him, he's not invisible.
Well, this guy is just a massive piece of shit.
Stop giving me narrow one dimensional answers to ideas, questions and concepts, and then teasing me with the self respect I have for the books not being so simple that youd present an obviously simple dichotomy where theres one right answer even when both are appealed to. And then boreing me with pages upon pages upon pages of menial events that don't mean anything exactly because theres no substance given to set set haters. Theres no substance given to O.S. beyond the mere superficial presentation of the idea that they are "good people with good associated characteristics, like being atheltic, olympian, liking a goodness and peace, and having a cool athletic transgender doll" Thats not an engagement with the ideas, and its not even a meaningful play on morals as aesthetics unless you can make those aesthetics non arbitrary. Else, telling somebody that chocolate is good because it tastes like chocolate and is good (people like it) doesnt do anything to bridge the qualia gap of disliking chocolate, youre just arbitrarily noting that something can be something else to somebody else.I don't know if anybody understands what im talking about. Aesthetics eventually just reduces to norms to be understood beyond the qualia gap, and morality already deals with norms, so it can be encountered on the grounds of either a face value appeal to norms (arbitrary) or an evaluation of the rightness of norms.Maybe this is addressed, but reading the book for so long, with no answer, with surface level engagements of ideas, and world building that cheats to be tolerated (held together by duct tape) What reason do I have to believe it will suddenly change? That all will suddenly be satisfied? Engaged with? Deepened and made to matter. Not just as something that cries, and sobs, and wants to help humanity, but the big bads who inexplicably can't accept the innocent thing prevent that. But as something that exists in a world, where people do things, for reasons, and believe things for reasons, and those reasons are engaged with, and justified, or disproven, or left inconclusive after thorough investigation. As something that exists enough as not merely presentation, but instantiation.
>>25283260He also can't do anything outside ofbhisbown strength, is (usually) unable to see himself, and still has to be mindful of any noise he makes, especially if his enemies know of his invisibility
>>25283255>>25283279I await your complaints on whatever you read, because no matter what it is, your logorrhea will continue unabated.
>>25283279>>25283255Just drop the book already.I do like reading your thoughts on it though. I mostly read it for the story and treated the philosophy as a neat addition, not considering it deeply like you've been doing, and consequently was bored to tears by this point. The philosophical bits not having depth wasn't a deal breaker for me, but the lack of meaningful action and amount of time everything takes was.Jedd was a character I still don't know what to make of, actually most of them are but him especially. His absolute fixations on the ramifications of trivial choices were interesting, but Mycroft's obsession of him got old. I think I'd have liked the story better if it was told from a skeptic's point of view instead of a fanatic's.>Theres no substance given to O.S. beyond the mere superficial presentation of the idea that they are...Yeah, OS's justification always seemed a bit weak. Too insignificant to fight a war over. A more reasonable choice would've been to break up the car monopoly so no one hive would be able to kill members of others, but I guess that wouldn't have been the story Palmer wanted to tell.>Maybe this is addressed, but reading the book for so long, with no answer, with surface level engagements of ideas, and world building that cheats to be tolerated (held together by duct tape) What reason do I have to believe it will suddenly change?I skimmed the later chapters after deciding to drop it, but I can't say for sure. The book goes off in strange directions.
>>25283293Just say stream of consciousness next time like everybody else so that I don't have to pretend you're saying something smart and informative that I haven't heard before.
>>25283295>I do like reading your thoughts on it thoughOh oh screencap fag found his sissy femboyGet a room faggots
>>25283308>how dare people talk about books on MY literature board!
I grieve for all the works of staggering genius that we will never read because the authors were distracted by their smartphones.All the ideas slip through; all the pages unwritten; all the idle fancies lost.My dear /sffg/, it is raining in Hong Kong today.
books like this?
>>25283295>Too insignificant to fight a war over. A more reasonable choice would've been to break up the car monopoly so no one hive would be able to kill members of others, but I guess that wouldn't have been the story Palmer wanted to tell.Thought about the implications of this, and the type of counterarguments Terra Ignota defenders would try to bring up to excuse this, and it just sent me down another train of thought. Its just too much man, the worldbuilding does not make enough sense to carry a story as ambitiously trying to tell a tale about how a global world and society that is SO scared of war and change, that it can't just get rid of a stupid fucking assasination system would look like.I'm not going to reiterate my argument against O.S. But the closest real analog I like to bring up, is the Civil War. The South depended so much on a slave system, and the amount of slaves that likely died (I actually can't confirm this as a historian but) within that slave system probably pales in comparison to how many died in the civil war, and this is without even considering the soldiers of course.Its just too silly to me, that some future humanity would be so scared of war and change that they'd rationalize a system as retarded as O.S.The biggest difference between the Civil War and Palmers war. Is that in the Civil war. There were fairly clear dilineated sides. One group wanted to end slavery and reintegrate them (and the south technically since the tried to secede) back into society, they other side wanted to keep their slaves and be their own nation.But in this story. Jedd legit has no plan or idea of society beyond stopping O.S. Im sure thats part of Palmers brilliant point which she has hid from me (for nearly 2000 pages?)But it just makes the war seem even sillier. Since without the retards rejecting change knowing what kind of change theyre rejecting, makes the war seem even more superfluous than it already is. What the fuck are they actually fighting for? What the fuck do so many people need to die for that couldn't simply be solved without war.I have a waking theory now that Palmer is going to reveal that this entire war was rhe secret plan of somebody else again, sort of like how Kraye was ironically actually the architecht of this whole stupid war.Theres also a very simple silly argument against O.S. among many arguments that make it silly.If O.S. existed because killing a few people is better than letting a lot of people die to war or riots. Then thats not actually a morality, because, in a circumstance where you have to Kill a lot of people to preserve your delusional peace of killing few people. Youre committing the very sin you sought to prevent, in which case, you think theres valid reasons to kill lots of people, if it protects whatever ideal you want. In whicu case, you cant justify killing few over a lot, since killing a lot can be justified. Unless you get arbitrary.
>>25283313You interact and suck screencap fag dickNo one else interacts with screecap cause he is basically namefaggingWhile phonereadingfagging and sepiafag and just retarded pretentious posts
>>25283308doubt it's even a different person
>>25283354>>25283373screencapfag really is the worst turned these innocent productive contributing members of the general against eachother it is a sad thing to witness
>>25283299I must, with all due genuflection before the tribunal of your discernment, tender an abject palinode for having, through a merely sesquipedalian prestidigitation and a specious deployment of semantically recondite locutions, induced in you the catastrophically erroneous supposition that I possessed aught of substantive import to communicate.
genuflection...doesn't even show up in the autocorrect prompt :O
>>25283510>chang talking about kneeling It’s about time lmao watch the teeth
>>25280602>I went to my local library todaycommie faggot
>>25283268Everyone in the setting is. The endless pileup of self-interested people trying to screw each other over is what fuels the humor.
>>25283260>If your hero's invisible, no one can touch him.
Childhood's end is soo fucking bad
>>25283617I completely agree. I hated all of it, especially the ending.
>>25283658lol
>have autistic moment of hyperfixation on a niche fantasy topic (monthly occurrence)>no /wbg/
>>25283697You may come here my brotha and post you are just what we need
>>25283697I only see tall grass, what the fuck?
>>25283697Try /tg/
>>25283707/tg/ sucks ass tho>>25283700I was thinking if it's possible to keep a human only fantasy vibe while having elves and Dwarves by betraying them as different human races as in putting them more in the same category to me equivalent to as different as like cat people or whatever dumb shit
>>25283715I always wanted a fantasy or urban fantasy were the races are the other hominids we murdered like denisovans/neanderthals etcMaybe the elves are human but just have pointy ears and the dwars are just hairy manlets
>>25282885>That's probably gonna be the hallmark of this series.Yeah. That's basically it. Just an endless stream of clusterfucks getting navigated by everyone. Fwiw, this was definitely the weakest of all 8 books. It was basically all setup. Hell, the real story hasn't even started by the time the 3rd book is over.
Ray Bradbury Ursula K. Le GuinArthur C. Clarke Isaac AsimovRobert SheckleyTheodore SturgeonMargaret Atwood What did these authors have in common? They all had sff stories originally published in Playboy Magazine. That's even where Farenheit 451 was first serialized under its original name: The Fireman.
>>25283730Yes pretty much the exact idea I was going for in the same way that humans get wiry hair and dark skin when they live in hot climates they get pointed ears and more sharp features and live longer when they live in forest or they become stockier and grow longer beards if they live in mountains and things like that. The problem is that fantasy race in the popular Consciousness I'm not really sure how I can sort of imply that these are this world's version of real world racial groups but yet are still all basically human overall and therefore anything not of that racial group is definitely not human.
>>25283774I am not sure what i am thinking about, but there have been tv shows and maybe books, where a character is a dragon and then its just a guy with yellow vertical pupils and that breathes fire at the season finalePeople buy it
anyone here actually read this
>>25280750Stop being such a little faggot and READ, nigga.Start with "The Statement of Randolph Carter." It's based on a dream of his.I really like "The Quest of Iranon" but it doesn't fit Lovecraft's usual style.On the other hand, "The Temple" is very good at capturing his style. It's also pretty short.
