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read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi
it's peak

>>25307936
The thread baker is the "its peak" guy.
I was totally about to plug my own fiction with "its peak".

>>25307942
done been knew

>>25307936
It's peak what? Peak shit? Peak retard?

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New Archmage masterpiece blessing RR and Patreon with its awesomeness. Who else reading this amazing story?

I have a character I want to speak in iambic and it's pissing me off
how do poets do this I feel retarded

>>25307936
Oops I accidentally gave this book a 1 star rating.

>>25307936
i accidentally followed, favorited, and reviewed this book

>>25308032
How come I don't see any new reviews then?

>>25307951
I find the writing and reactions clumsy unfortunately. Wanted to like it. Also an annoying amount of proofing issues

how do i write suffering/regretkino like eastern webnovel authors

>>25307951
better than MLA but that's not saying all that much. nice author tho

>>25307951
I wonder if it's going to see the same curse every other of these trendy OPMCs do. All of them crater on their patreons after a short period
They're all flash in a pans. The trope doesnt have staying power

It is shocking how fast and consistently they blow up tho

>>25308132
>proofing issues
such as?
>>25308156
>better than MLA but that's not saying all that much.
lol oh you
>nice author tho
i think so too. she seems like a really cool, down-to-earth, and nice person.

>>25308198
>such as?
improper dialogue punctuation, randomly ending sentences with commas instead of periods, idk just obvious errors and fairly often
its a webbovel so it wasnt the major issue, I kept reading. the real issue is that people didn't react like humans and the whole point of an opmc is people's reactions to mc's shenanigans. a lack of authenticity breaks the appeal of the premise

from a craft level and completely ignoring plot, which RR slop has the best prose?

>>25308206
HY's work

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>>25308206
Sky Pride by Warby Picus

>>25308202
To ensure I wasnt overselling it I opened the epub on my kindle and within 4 page swipes (like 300 words probably) I found both a dialogue tag capitalization error and a blatantly misspelled word
The proofing is real bad on Archmage Coefficient

>>25308212
>I found both a dialogue tag capitalization error and a blatantly misspelled word
proof?

>>25308217
why are you being anal about it? surely you can open it and see yourself. its obvious and frequent, enough I was getting annoyed

>"It's a Phasewalker!" The man at the ice cream store yelled.
>All around, the cacophony battered at Ari's compoure.

within a few kindle page swipes, from right where I dropped it, not cherry picked

>>25308221
>>"It's a Phasewalker!" The man at the ice cream store yelled.
that's correct though

>>25308224
No, it is not. Should be lower case t.
Go ask chatgpt why, I'm tired of explaining basic writing rules to people.

>>25308229
I accept your concession

>>25308206
Pale Lights is written very cleanly. both in terms of narrative structure and prose. I don't think it has any particularly striking phrases but I feel like it's always modestly good
I consider Hungry's prose above most webnovelists. it's often wasted on stupid shit but I've definitely had moments reading that made me appreciate the prose itself, rereading a phrase just to feel it
Palus Somni is a horror story on RR that I found had really good atmosphere. there were a couple sequences that really drew me
webnovel authors typically fall into the camps of grifter/jobbie or passionate hobbyist, neither of which tend to care about prose

>>25308221
autism

>>25308224
don't make statements on english grammar if your first language isn't english

>>25308231
I recommend Strunk and White since you need to start from the beginning

>>25308237
>>25308239
>no argument

>>25308234
It's not autism to dislike constant errors in the prose you read.
Even a big portion of litrpg sloppers skip RR and only read from KU because of it.

>>25308244
I would make an argument but you're obviously either a troll or retarded. Try being a bit more subtle next time

>>25308245
You think moving to KU from RR inexplicably removes errors?

>>25308248
>make claim
>don't substantiate it
>call everyone who disagrees a troll

>>25308231
>>25308244
it's interesting how there's a subsection of posters whose entire relationship with the site is posting objectively wrong information and then insisting they're right
like a child repeatedly going 'nuh uh'. is it about feeling like a winner or a conversational mechanism to make it feel like you're having a back and forth with someone?

>>25308250
Inexplicable? Most get edited and proofed.
Gotta be the same tard. What's your issue, guy?

>>25308253
see >>25308251

>>25307951
Better than a lot of the competition and mostly fun to read but it hasn't quite reached the top-tier of wns for me. The recent deep dives into their psuedo-atomic chemistry magic system read like boring filler. I agree with the other anon about the weird grammatical errors. There's no spelling errors as such so they must be doing some kind of spell checking but it's punctuated oddly and the author seems to have a broken spacebar because several times each chapter words just run into each other which even the most brief of proof-reads would catch.

>>25308254
>Most get edited and proofed.
do they? it's a personal responsibility isn't it? one you can easily shirk because there's no actual overhead or vetting process

>>25308257
>There's no spelling errors as such
I found one immediately upon looking lol. Compoure instead of composure, ch 10

>>25308196
>It is shocking how fast and consistently they blow up tho
Not really, for every archmage that hits RS, there are at least ten that don't even break 200 followers

>>25308259
>do they?
Yes

>>25308260
If you had to go to ch10 before finding a typo that's pretty good going by RR standards.

>>25308261
But almost all of the recent blow up successes have been archmage variants. Thats what's interesting

>>25308263
??
I even said its where I picked up from on my kindle. It took like thirty seconds to find one

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>>25308229
>>25308239
You are retarded by the way.

>>25308267
Would be correct if it was an action beat, but its clearly a tag and the bot is being retarded.

>>25308267
"dropped his cone" is not the same as "yelled", retard

>>25308268
Not if the action you are taking is yelling.

>>25308270
I can't tell if you're serious lol

>>25308259
>>25308262
No I didn't lol

>>25308264
The post-MLA archmages haven't been doing any better than other popular works. The Gift of Loot and Savage Barbarian BTFO'd all archmages on the list now.

>>25308273
>most
>I
hmm
illiterates are out in full force this morning

>>25308267
>unintelligent person takes AI ramblings as objective truth
a living caricature
read up on dialogue tags vs action tags you moron
you only get to be hostile towards ignorance if you yourself aren't ignorant. this is basic grade school level grammar

>>25308267
It's English, strict grammar rule that apply 100% of the time aren't a thing. I'm okay with the capital T since in general periods, question marks, and exclamation marks are all terminal punctuation. They are almost always used to denote the end a sentence.

I honestly think its the same regular who perpetually doesnt know how tags work and gets angry about it. I swear I've seen this exact convo before.

>>25308277
>make claim
>don't substantiate it, instead say "just use chatgpt lol"
>someone uses chatgpt
>nooooooooooooooo! not like this!

>>25308279
actual illiterate

>>25308267
>makes up its own non-dialogue tag example to explain why the original line is not a dialogue tag
People seriously trust this glorified lorem ipsum generator? What the fuck is wrong with you?

What are gu?

>>25308280
>everyone who disagrees with me is the same person

>>25308279
A publishing house would always correct to lower case t there. It is an absolute convention, and an error by professional standards, not a stylistic choice.

>>25308281
I'm not the one who said to use chatgpt retard
obviously you aren't going to get factual truth from a chatbot. learn to think for yourself dumb fuck
why were you even contesting something that you're so obviously ignorant to in the first place. is english even your first language? you quite clearly don't know what you're talking about

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These are just beyond shameless

>>25308288
>still no source

>>25308280
100 chips on it being newfag spammer

I know chatgpt is dumb but I thought it would get something so simple right tbdesu
my bad for suggesting it

>>25308291
https://gprivate.com/6l3tj
kys btw

>>25308287
Fair enough. It wouldn't make me cringe as a reader though.

>>25308294
I can actually see that lol
He's here a lot, has been for a while, and has the same voice and hostility as illiterate-anon. Everything lines up

>>25308300
It only makes me cringe when I see it being done wrong constantly, because it tells me the author doesnt know basic writing conventions rather than it being a one off lapse.
And onedayokay does it wrong a lot

>>25308299
>a random internet search engine is a source

>>25308300
it's a minor mistake that barely effects readability
if your sentence constructions are more complex than a lightnovel then it can help to have that extra consistency for readability. the comma connects what is inside the quotation marks to what is outside. victorian novels for example often have paragraphs that are just one winding sentence with dialogue interspersed throughout. that shit would be sickening to read if it were formatted wrong
webnovels tend to have such simple prose that I probably skim over incorrectly dialogue tags all the time

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>>25308279
NTA, but I've capitalized sentences after my dialogue tags every single time. XD
>but its wrong though
I also recognize that English rules change over time. I'm just an early adopter and trendsetter. :P

>>25308315
Willful retardation is a fraction more respectable I suppose

>>25308289
>still no satire named Supreme Lord Aryan

Minor issues like that arent a problem by themselves, its more that its a canary in the coal mine that lets me to know to bail early
Can't get the basics right, you arent gonna get the hard stuff right. There's a billion stories out there, you dont get second chances

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volume 2 cover art mockup for War and Peace I did on a whim this morning. Graphic design is my passion

>>25308325
I only click on stories I'm interested in so I don't have this problem. doesn't take much to tolerate something so petty
dropping something you were reading is an annoyance and disappointment
content though, that gets no second chances

>>25308328
cute

>>25308328
What are the main guns on the flagship like?

speaking of spehhs ships, how would we go about solving the issue that most readers just don't give a shit about external equipment? I've seen retards go on about how, if it's not explicitly part of the character's body/self as an ability, then it doesn't give a sense of strength.

And this is retarded, of course. But it's also a more widespread sentiment than you would think, albeit not that extreme version I noted earlier.

I think the easiest one would be something like "ship spirits". Where the ship's captain has some way to summon some of the ship's strength even while away from it, like a power armor transformation that directly channels/reflects the ship's characteristics/armaments. It could also be used to create shipgirl appeal, since the ship captain would also inevitably become a human incarnation of the ship.

>>25308452
I guess, if a character, that readers care about, cares about equipment in a parasocial way? Like a mechanic that talks to ship parts as if they were people with their own character flaws and strengths?

>Found a book on RR that I kinda liked. 40 chapters. Last update is years ago.

>>25308467
Just send the author a friendly message that he forgot to update his story.

>>25308467
That's why I've learnt to always check the dates of the last chapter before starting any new story.

Today... I'm going to write.

>>25308452
I would just stick to sneering at those who can't get into autistic rivet-counting and spec glazing. If you don't give a shit about tonnage it ain't for you kid.

>>25308289
Are you supposed to be replying to someone or just criticizing all authors like this in general?

Hi!! Does anyone have any data on the percentage of stories on RR that are actually completed? I've heard it's close to 1%, with about 85% going on hiatus. Can't remember where I got it from.

>>25308716
its trivially easy to discover this yourself by using advanced search

>>25307936
I don't want to read about man-faced maids

>>25307951
Worldbuilding sucks, feels like they just threw shit together without sparing two thoughts, then autistically goes into chemistry-adjacent babble that no one but the author actually cares about. It's fun though.

>>25308221
>>25308287
This can be both correct and wrong, depending on the implied meaning.
>"It's a Phasewalker!" the man at the ice cream store yelled.
The man yelled the quoted text.
>"It's a Phasewalker!" The man at the ice cream store yelled.
Someone exclaimed the quoted text (not necessarily the man). The man then yelled indistinctly.

>>25308844
No reasonable person would assume the second is what the author meant. Especially when other similar punctuation errors are frequent

>>25308844
>not necessarily the man
By convention, speakers get their own paragraph in modern prose. So by publishing standards it would be the man. An action beat attributes the dialogue in a given paragraph, unless for some reason it's exceedingly clear it isn't/can't be that person.

>>25308853
Okay, but it is still grammatically correct, and hence correcting it could change the intention. If instead of yelled, it said ululated, you would agree the capitalization is correct.

>>25308858
The (indistinct) yelling could be the same man, then, by modern standards.

Wow, two consecutive threads that actually discuss writing and prose. /wng/ is turning a new leaf.
Neat.

>>25309028
/wg/ is over there.
>>25301215

>>25307951
I only have two problems with the story
First, the only reason the magical particles are named things like "vacu" and "vitae" is for the sole purpose of being different, since they fit the same convention as an elemental naming scheme. It's impossible to remember what all the particles names and colours are even when binge reading it because of that.
The second is that the author doesn't commit to the protag's autistic lack of social awareness when it would reflect badly on her rather than just being quirky, charming, or humorous. Anytime her autism would make her actually annoying to the reader she suddenly gains social awareness.
In any case I'm enjoying it.

>>25309118
oh and the other anons are right that the chemistry babble is a massive waste of time and nobody but the author is interested in it

>>25309028
>People post their work
>Others read it
>Discussion happens
It's really that easy. Instead of asking what /wng/ can do for you, ask what you can do for /wng/.

anyone have a good Archmage OPMC story premise I can steal from?
I came up with a premise about a dragon empress getting betrayed by her allies and yada yada she essentially gets transported forward in time to a point where dragons no longer exist and the story's engine is her trying to revive her dead race.
I think it's okay but for some reason my brain won't let me come up with another premise so can someone throw something out there to get the juices flowing?

>>25309143
I posted my work and one person just laughed at it

>>25309162
The other anon is just smoking something. Discussion spawned from Archmage Coefficient, not an anon's work

>>25308865
You're correct but only in a very pointless and annoying way.

I havent checked in on royal road legends in a year or two but how the fuck has it degraded even further than when it was 99% progression fantasy?

>>25309259
Money
Used to be passionate retards who liked their niche
Now it's that plus a ton of dispassionate market chasers
Will only keep getting worse, as all things do

>>25309263
>>25309259
It still is passionate retards who liked their niche
t. passionate retard who likes their niche

>>25309265
>Now it's that plus
They weren't booted out, but it's undeniable that there are fuckloads of grifters now
People in the Order outright say they just chase whatever makes the most money.

>>25309263
>>25309265
Wtf how are people making money? Book deals?

>>25309275
Patreon. Litrpg, iskai. It's like peanut butter and jelly.

>>25309275
Is this a shitpost?
Patreon and Amazon
Several are making millions a year, and Dinniman is making tens of millions. It's bringing a lot of trend chasers into the space.

>>25309281
Ive been in the NU mines and waiting for RRL to get some new stuff to read so this is all new to me. I only really remember a couple series years ago getting an amazon book deal here or there.

>>25309287
It's not really THAT recent but I guess it started taking off big time in like '23
Unknown authors can go from nonames to $10,000/m in literally 30 days, I can see why people flock to RoyalRoad
Then there's even more money in Amazon, and no better way to handle a selfpub than having an existing audience to jumpstart your launch.

It's the format of the future, I wonder if other genres will have sites pop up for it? I'm surprised Wattpad doesn't have a similar pipeline for romance.

>>25309156
Neet Archmage - The MC gets her archmage rank revoked after spending the past century locked up in her mage tower without contributing anything to society. She even ignored a military summons, so an entire magical world war came and went without her noticing. Now, to earn back her lazy lifestyle, she must do the one thing she dreads most: venture outside.
Wagie Archmage - The MC finds out that all her knowledge and OP magic have been made obsolete by the advent of magitech, which is incredibly cheap and easy for even a child to use. Now, she has to return to the grind and get a regular job just to pay the bills.
Smurfing Archmage - A bored archmage gets her hands on a magical artifact that can lock away 99.99% of her powers. Disguising herself as a newbie adventurer, she begins her journey anew.
Level 0 Archmage - An archmage accomplishes something nobody in history ever has: breaking into Level 100. However, because the system wasn’t designed to display three digits, her level shows up as "00." After a series of misunderstandings, people become convinced she’s a powerless fraud, and hilarity ensues.

>>25309297
AI generated ideas.

>>25309292
Different audiences, different spending habits.
You’re never going to convince women to subscribe to Patreon. Never ever. But they’ll buy stacks of books every week to show off on social media. That’s why the Wattpad to tradpub to Netflix adaptation pipeline exists.
This is also why web novel websites targeting readers outside of the US went with the exclusive deal + store credits combo. Microtransactions are the only way to convince Asians to spend money.

>>25309313
Post an excerpt
Accused of using AI
Post ideas
Accused of using AI
Post a simple comment off the top of my head
Accused of using AI
Say words
LOL, you’ve totally internalized ChatGPT’s speech pattern, man!

I preferred it back when people said I talk like a robot… or an autist. I didn't know how good I had it.

>>25309362
Anything else, chabidi?

i'm an AI

>>25309362
you cute

>>25309237
It started with >>25306781 thoughbeit.

>>25307965
You have to spend a lot of time closely studying iambic pentameter first. The classic example is James Blish in The Day After Judgement when Satan finally shows up and speaks it's in pure Milton Paradise Lost style even though it's mainly him bitching about how much his life sucks now that he has The Throne it's awful and God may not actually be dead but he's clearly left all of us behind. Blish was a careful student of the source material so he could generate it believably.

>>25309362
It's just typical bad faith newfaggotry. Even back starting in 2011, you were an autist if you posted something some Reddit immigrant didn't like.

I got my first comment today, ha what a great day.
Like it's stupid and retarded and it's just one random scrub saying something disposable and nice but it made my day. Gay af.
It's weird because I basically get my dick sucked professionally but it all bounces off me but say something nice about my writing and I turn into a retarded simp.

>>25309362
lol
I'm sorry that you're a casualty but AI paranoia is for the best

>>25309297
>Neet Archmage - The MC gets her archmage rank revoked after spending the past century locked up in her mage tower without contributing anything to society. She even ignored a military summons, so an entire magical world war came and went without her noticing. Now, to earn back her lazy lifestyle, she must do the one thing she dreads most: venture outside.
I think this is pretty much the Archmage Valteresa arc from Wandering Inn.

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>worn out from irl bullshit
>see wall of text PM in my inbox with a subject line that I just know I have no tolerance for
>cover up screen
>open it so it's not a notification anymore
>probably going to ignore it

I do not need advice at this point. I am TIRED and in A BAD MOOD. Maybe a few days ago I would have read it, maybe a few days from now I would read it. Today? At this time? Fuck no. Just leave your 0.5 rating at the door and leave me alone.

Of course my readers have no idea I'm so irritated because I shield them from my moods. They are blissfully enjoying my mediocrity.

>>25309582
I rate your blog post 0.5 stars.

>>25309582
>negative comment/PM
>doesn't instant block
foolish

>>25309582
>third and fourth greentexts
Been there. Have a nice night, anon.

I have the premise planned out.
I know all of the themes that are emergent from that premise.
I know all of the plot points that will reveal those themes on the page.
I know all of the themes that are emergent from those plot points.
I know all of the characters that communicate these themes. I know their personalities, which plot points they will play a role in, and how their arcs will resolve.
I know all of the story.
...so, uh, now i just... have to... write... the, uh... the thing...
...uuhhh... uhmmmm...
...w-well, I don't know all of the scenes yet.
Of course. That is the final piece of the puzzle.
So I will go think of scenes to write toward BEFORE I start writing.
Then I will be ready.

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>>25309589
I'm too fatalistic for it at this point. A wave of 2.0-3.5 ratings and almost no 5 star ratings have significantly and likely permanently damaged my fiction's rank. I haven't been able to sit down and write and revise properly for weeks now, and my backlog is nearly spent, and I'll need at least the weekend to simply recover from irl bullshit.

I really need some good sleep so I'm even detoxing from caffeine starting tomorrow. This weekend is going to suck.

>>25309582
Oh I heard that. I've read maybe 5% of my comments ever. Usually by accident. I get enough input from humans irl I don't need that shit with this.

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>>25309604
I usually do read comments because I normally enjoy the feedback and watching them speculate. I'm kinda like >>25309487. But man I do not want to read an essay telling me my fiction sucks and how I can make it better.

Spoilered rant, please ignore. I KNOW IT SUCKS. I KNOW HOW TO MAKE IT BETTER. I DON'T HAVE THE TIME OR ENERGY.

I DON'T NEED TO HEAR FROM SOME MORON WITH ZERO SUCCESSFUL FICTIONS HOW TO 'FIX' MY STORY WHEN YOU HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THE TWISTS AND HYPE MOMENTS YET (BECAUSE I FUCKING SUCK AT PACING AND KNOWING WHERE TO EDIT DOWN MY CONTENT).

There's really no winning move except not to play at all. I'm just going to ignore it until at least my mood improves, and maybe beyond.

>>25309611
yeah niggas really got no patience these days

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25309611
I'd appreciate if any reader could tell me how to make my story better, because I've made it as good as it can be and really don't know. But most of the "criticism" I get is like this
>MC picks up a hotdog.
>(Dialogue)
>MC eats the hotdog.
>Comment: How did the hotdog suddenly teleport into his hand?? Is he a wizard lol? Maybe fix this?
Just pointing out that I did set it up barely a paragraph earlier makes me feel like a fucking idiot.
And because users are so afraid of getting blocked these days, they'll just write a direct review instead of commenting at all. So I wake up and log in to RR to find
>Review: Bad quality.
>This story has inconsistencies and plot holes liek teleporting hotdogs. The author could benefit from hiring a competent editor. 1/5 stars.
Then I pm the motherfucker to point out his review is based on blatantly false claims. And then get a passive-aggressive reply,
>I stand by my opinion. I'm sorry if that offends you.
Goat-fucking banana-brain, that it's your mistake is a fact not an opinion. Then I report the review to the moderators and spend precious time composing a summary of the fucking retarded case. And instead of just deleting that turd, they kindly ask the dogfucker to edit his review. Two days later, I log in and see he has removed the mention of the teleporting hotdog but the review ranting about "inconsistencies" remains and is still 1 star and all that effort and headache meant nothing.

So now I no longer read or care about comments or reviews.

>>25309297
All have been done on RR, or was that the point?

>>25309582
>>25309602
>>25309603
>>25309611
>>25309644
see >>25309116

>>25309156
Archimage: The MC one day finds himself in his MMORPG world as his OP Wizard character, except all the magic of the setting is explicitly like the magic you'd find in 1920's-1930's Weird Tales magazines. Now the MC, yearning to cast a simple spell like Fireball, must come to terms with the fact that what makes his Archmage powerful is his ability to summon and bind suspiciously-ape shaped cosmic horrors from the outer dark without having to rely on an enchanted ring and being the patron of some ancient deity. He is disappointed at the fact that he cannot make a magic circle in the air that will bring down a lightning storm; nevermind that the MC, through drawing a magical pattern on a wooden square, can completely change the weather in unnatural and bizarre ways, as befits his power as an archmage.

IE. the MC walks about in the anachronistic pseudo-Victorian age future of the setting and sees a college student in academic dress engage in a magical crime spree via spreading an alchemically altered plant into the Dean's room, which grows unnaturally and aggressively strangles the Dean through pondering his orb.

Or, the MC witnesses a magic duel between an occult detective and his wizardly quarry and sees the criminal wizard toss a strange powder into the air that immediately burns through whatever it comes into contact with, and the detective counters it by describing a particular symbol in the air with his hand while chanting a protective incantation, which makes him immune to the ill-effects of the powder while his squadmates are incinerated.

Actually anon, I have decided to turn this premise into a webnovel. I will race you (if you will deign to take this idea) to see which of us shall have it published on Royal Road first.

>>25309603
Your rank doesn't actually do much, don't worry about it.

>>25309582
Don't shit yourself.

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>>25308209
I got excited by your post and was hoping to read some discussion on Warby's other fics. Then I scroll down and it's just bs posts about stuff that doesn't really mean anything lol.

Anyways, I loved Warby's To The Far Shore. The setting reminds me of Numenera an rpg book that's also set on the far future and the fic reminded me of a childhood favorite of mine "We were there on the Oregon trail" except 1000x better.

I found To The Far Shore's setting more compelling than Slumrat and his other Weeabo fic didn't really appeal to me neither. But I'd sacrifice my third child if it would compel magically compel Warby to continue writing Mazelton's story. My dream for the continuation of this story is something with a parallel to ealy America's colonial history with British, French, Spanish expies. Not completely the same kind but with cultures from Warby's imagination. I've currently just started rereading to the far shore, and I'm really appreciating the perspective of a strange native's pov. I wish more RR authors wrote similar perspective points, foreign, strange and superstitious like Mazelton's view. I'm tired of isekais and modern sensibilities.

A fanfic crossover that this reminds me of and would recommend is Wasteland Galaxy over at spacebattles. It's a Fallout/Mass Effect crossover but with more focus on the fallout side of things. The characters are awesome. I highly recommend plunging in blind and giving it a go.

Once I finish up To The Far Shore agaib I'm going to go give Sky Pride a go, so thanks for the recommend! Have you read to the Far Shore? Which parts did you like? I'd been trying to find discussion threads for this fic in Google but couldn't find any which is sad. I enjoy lurking.

>>25309726
nta but I've tried to read warby's other works, granted I only gave Gacha and Slumrat a fair shot, but the prose was pretty poor in my view. I would put prose as the weakest attribute to his work having only read Sky Pride.
To me he's an ideas guy, and he has a lot of really interesting ideas but Sky Pride is the only work that had good enough prose to support them. Maybe I'll give To The Far Shore another go since you agree his other two are duds.
Sky Pride is great though, other than having a tendency to waffle sometimes.

I mean if you genuinely want a fair opinion on the hotdog thing then post the passage and I'll tell you.

>>25309743
meant for >>25309644

anyone have recs for stories with a strong sense of adventure?
I feel like everything I've tried to get into recently just sorta spins its wheels in place

>>25309748
A Soldiers Life is the only webslop I keep up with where the characters actually roam around doing stuff. That and The Last Orellen but we don't talk about that.
Kinda funny when you think about it. No restrictions and all the stories end up familiar and safe. How many Tolkiens have slipped between the cracks? Write too slow for webslop and too aryan for tradpub.
Sloppin' ain't easy.

Obviously we all know that the reason asian novels don't contain descriptions is because they all look alike, but it recently struck me that it's rare to have fights depicted as something that requires strenuous physical exertion.

>>25309743
>>25309745
You're not very bright, are you?

>>25308209
Are you kidding me? His writing is the blandest possible "he did this. Then he did that." rpg-action listing with longass walls of disembodied dialogue. You can't even call that prose

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Building up my stock been quite good.
I've only did some AI grammar checks, but intent to read it all in one go before posting(i will prepare 20 chapters then release 10 in one weekend and 10 in the next day, then go to thr normal chapter per day all days. Each chapter is 1,5k and been doing it daily so far, seens to be going.)

>>25309777
I wasn't referring to a literal hotdog thing, if that's what you mean.
Based on your reply I'm not surprised you're getting bad reviews.

>>25309780
idc bro

>>25309782
>cunty poster wants to see other people's writing
it was obvious you were looking for an excuse to bitch at someone. he caught your ass

>>25309785
least obvious samefag

do you think the sudden influx of korean webnovelists posting their ai-translated works on RR will disrupt the western webnovel ecosystem as an invasive species does to a different ecosystem?

>>25309788
I hope it prompts the RR staff to rethink their 'regulating AI is too tedious to even try' policy

>>25309780
>The man reached out with his knife but paused, hearing a rushing sound. Madame’s green brocade robe hissed into a roaring, white hot blaze. It caught on the bed sheets and raced for the heavy curtains. It wasn’t alone. The man looked back over at the fire on the floor. It was spreading wildly, bolting for the silk curtains and rushing up to the roof. He followed the trails of fire to big jars up in the rafters.
>“Oh you spiteful bitch. RUN!”
>He didn’t make it to the door before the house exploded in flames.
>Nothing of the once elegant home could be salvaged after the fire. Serfs pulled the wreckage over to enormous many-legged garbage bins, which walked themselves to the dump and emptied themselves on the enormous piles. The serfs had explicit orders not to remove any bodies they might find. The Hongs felt the dump was exactly where those bones belonged.
>A boy woke up in the trash. He couldn’t remember who he was or where he was, or why everything hurt. There was something round on the ground. He reached for it and saw that he only had a few fingers. He should have had more- he could see the bloody stumps where most were missing. His body was covered in blood and burns and everything was pure pain. The boy screamed. He screamed for a long time.
Impressive.
Incredible.

>>25309788
Yes but it's better to think of it as us entering the arena, not them invading us.
Like those sys apoc stories where Earth gets mushed together with other worlds and it's a total free for all.

>>25309788
No, not really.

>>25309791
The arena sys apoc where its a free for all is always a fun ride.
Would read more of those of i wasn't writting one(minus the sys i think)

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>>25309790

>>25309789
The RR stuff are genuinely comically incompetent

>>25309790
>>“Oh you spiteful bitch. RUN!”
marvel writing and its repercussions

Are there any misogynistic webnovels?

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your "novel" will never come even close to this

>>25309800
Probably.
But not as big as one would want.
Gotta dig a bit

>>25309802
K

>>25309802
I'm fine with my 300 followers.

>>25309802
>juvenile worship
>seethes incessantly on someone disagreeing with his opinion
would you say its peak?

>>25309800
Of course, all the tranny coded novels are misogynistic. Unfortunately it's in the gay cringe way instead of the based cool way.

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>this makes the "writer" of /wng/ seethe

Imagine what this general could do if you weren't all bucket crabs. We could have our own little cartel.

>>25309813
Why?

>>25309810
We can change that by writting our own
Make the mysoginistic based again!!!!

>>25309815
Business cartels are foor jeets, gooks and chinks
The huwhite man stands alone

>>25309833
They stand in brotherhoods.
History proved this.
Unless it is a philosopher, then they go in brotherhoods once in a while.

>>25309748
Pale Lights , at least the first book.

Cultivation novels that aren't a trope fest and don't delve into character relations too much? Or at least regularly cycle the cast around the MC?

What's the best strat for making money: should I just focus on writing my story in English, as that gives me the broadest audience reach with the least effort? Should I write in my native tongue instead (which is Russian) since that will likely let me make the highest quality content I can? Or should I do both, a la Nabokov? Or maybe write one version manually and have an AI translate the other one? What do you guys think?

>>25309863
Reverend Insanity

>>25309865
did your parents not tell you to avoid the arts?
the best strat for making money is a real job. you should only commit yourself to being a creative if you already have a real career or if you can accept poverty
you can chase trends but if you actually look at the moderately successful sellouts, most of them make less than minimum wage
don't get into this hoping to be a part of the top 0.01% of earners

>>25309884
I do have a job, and I'm making a decent amount of money, but I like writing and if I could earn money through writing, that would be amazing. Of course, I only ever plan to quit my main job once I get a few months of minimum wage Patreon earnings at least.

>>25309893
the OP has links for hustlefags that say everything there is to say on the subject
it's mostly luck. write well, have an audience in mind, and do the shit in the links

>>25309865
Depends. For winnies I reccomend you write in English. Use clear readable prose and focus on story, worldbuilding and characterization.
If you want to write in Russian you should try ebook litrpg like Esgardium or Transformation (Valery Starsky). Slower pace of release means you have time to get out a good English translation for Amazon.
Not sure how you're going to deal with sanctions though. Guiltythree signed away all rights to Webnovel.com, he's not making as much as he could be.
>>25309884
In Russia getting US minimum wage gives you a middle class lifestyle (outside of Moscow. and St,Petersburg)

>>25309909
I don't live in Russia, but in my poor EU shithole you can survive on 1k per month. As for the sanctions question, I don't know, but I'm sure I can figure something out if my work shoots up in popularity on the Russian market

>>25309909
>Not sure how you're going to deal with sanctions though
He's not, lmao.

>>25309917
>in my poor EU shithole you can survive on 1k per month
haha same

>hype up my characters constantly
>feel like my story is starting to read like some sort of female gaze erotica that won't stop talking about how cool and strong and manly the male characters are
is it gay to glaze your MC

>>25309937
This is exactky why FMC's are preferred.

>>25309865
>What's the best strat for making money
get a job

>>25309937
It's definitely gay and I don't mean that in >haha u homo u describe muscles kind of gay.

It's definitely gay in the way that you should not be saying
>this character is cool and strong, and he's a manly male man
How about you just fucking show me?

>>25309943
The only job they have there is catching vogs with your head.
The problem is, they all want to write instead of droning their bald midget leader.

>>25309949
same thing
>show don't tell
save it for /wg/

>>25309952
I don't live in Russia, and moreover I've never lived there; and the place where I lived, back when I was there, wasn't Russia at the time. Thankfully, back when I was a little kid, my parents emigrated the fuck away from that place (much like what happened to Nabokov), so I get to enjoy the happening from a good distance, just as you do

>>25309917
What country?
Also write xianxia. Dragons heart, a xianxia written by some russian did pretty well.

>>25309977
Portugal

>>25309937
Yes. But if you can’t make your readers want to suck your MC’s dick, then you’ve failed at your job.
Just look at how rabid Fang Yuan’s fans are.
You want to achieve that for your book. So keep glazing your MC until the gayness radiates from the pages and converts your readers into MC-sexual simps who will gladly throw their life savings at you for his feet pics.

three people have commented on my first chapter, but when I go to see the comment there's nothing there. What is happening?

>>25310017
shadowbanned

>>25310020
shadowbanned for what?

>>25310024
how am I supposed to know?

>>25310017
it's usually bots saying how much they loved your story and that you should pay them to make art of it

>>25310017
This is usually scambots that get banned before you see the comment.

>using ellipses, italics, and all caps without a hint of shame
god I love slopping
there are no limits here. only FUN

>>25310131
>jaywalking, littering, and brutally murdering your own parents without shame
one of these is not like the other

>>25309644
Have you tried introducing teleporting hotdogs into your winnie's premise, since you clearly can't have them locomote through physical space as ordinary objects?
Literary problems require literary solutions, anon

Allcaps is fine for heavy emphasis when used sparingly. Or for a character who is supposed to have real FUCKING LOUD DIALOGUE

>>25310164
your thoughts on exclamation marks?

everything is fine when used right
certain things just are almost never used right and are disgusting when not
all caps being one

>>25309802
this isnt even good bait, you should've used primal hunter or something
bad books doing well is way more upsetting than a good book doing well

>>25309802
I honestly don't care
I just want to make minimum wage or enough to live off of in my borderline third world country, whichever is higher.

>thread is full of people admitting they're not native english speakers and come from east euro hellholes
explains a lot

>>25307933
Why is writing so hard?
Writing 1,000 word is so much effort.
But when you read 1,000 words you don't really see it.

>>25310262
writing has taught me to savor what I read and read a little slower

>>25310262
It's really not that hard.
Revision is hard, writing is easy af

>>25310242
Only me (nta), also not a single person in my country reads (webnovels). I am a member of a few popular discord groups in my country and the book channels there are dominated by literal normies/npcs, just the other day somebody recommended To kill a mocking bird and the people were literally blown away by the blurb, then the diehard scifi fan(antic)s have not read past the Martian, the Project Hail mary is the next big thing. I tried mentioning the Cradle once or twice but with no success (a more traditional xianxia would probably cause a total brain meltdown). The important thing to understand is that reading is seen as a very niche interest by most people here, and people who read are rare and when you do encounter somebody like that they will probably only be half way through to kill the mocking bird.
For an avid reader reading 3 books a year is a lot, when I told somebody I was reading a book like every week they though that it's impossible to read so much.
G-d I fucking hate this coutry.

today i uploaded a chapter

>>25310308
>when I told somebody I was reading a book like every week they though that it's impossible to read so much.
Feels like posting on /lit/ to be quite sincere and honest with you.

>>25310290
for me it is hard, because I don't even know where the scene will go

>>25310344
That sounds like a revision problem to me.
Write the scene and figure out where it goes later

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When did DCC get a comic and why does it look like a manga?

>>25310358
How am I supposed to figure that out?

>>25310371
>Why did the biggest money printing indie book series of the past 5 years get a web toon
Gee I fucking wonder

>>25310377
I read when as why, ignore my retardation

>>25310358
>bro just build the house, you can decide what it should look like later

>>25310358
retard

>>25310262
I write 1500 everyday and even twice a day without problems
Just read more and write anything to get the hobby

Looks like /wg/ finally admits /wng/'s superiority.
>>25310405

>>25310427
>check
>it's a guy posturing to a beginner with mediocre writing
shame on you for being impressed by this
and if you wrote it even more shame for not knowing how bad it is

any other anons planning to take advantage of the backrooms movie’s release by releasing their own backrooms/liminal space based WNs?

>>25310433
how does this change that despite the poor quality /wg/ still thinks its impressive?

>>25310437
one guy (presumably a total beginner judging by their excerpt) and an AI frog poster
I really couldn't care less about your meaningless little culture war. the excerpt this guy is trying to show off with is bad and the only people noting it are overtly idiots

>>25310435
Movie releases tend to signify the END of trends, not boost them.
>After Twilight vampires were no longer cool.
>After Hunger Games teen dystopia's were no longer cool.
>After Slender Man (2018) slender man was no longer cool.
>After Five Nights at Freddy's (2023) FNAF was no longer cool.
Yet you think after Backrooms (2026) the backrooms as a concept will still be relevant.
This is why I don't take marketing advice from you guys.

>>25310448
>only people noting it are overtly idiots
I think you might be smooth-brained. This only shows that we are even more superior. You are arguing against anon here, you are supporting his point.

are there any particular disadvantages to having an elderly MC or an otherwise comedically deformed MC for a WN?

>>25310455
No, unless you count having no readers as a disadvantage.

>>25310452
>This only shows that we are even more superior
I forget how much of this thread is esl and not worth replying to

>pages: 5,696
>followers: 25
Jesus christ, now that's a passion project

>>25310463
Then stop replying to it. All it wants to do is endlessly argue.

>>25310418
>I write 1500 everyday
I envy you.
Only time I'm able to write that is for homework essays when I have 4 hours to deadline, but I can't do that for creative writing.

>>25310554
>homework essays

>>25310554
You get used to it.
Started actully writting anything in my mind months ago as poems.

With that its quite easy to get on it daily.
Remember, making writting daily is the foundation.

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>>25310554
>homework essays

how well/poorly does technical writing translate to normal writing?

>>25310716
depends on whether you can switch technical vernacular for prosaic vernacular
if you can do that, then well

any wns with hilariously hideous MCs or old wrinkled MCs?

>>25310744
Elder Cultivator has an MC who only starts cultivating at age 90 and actively cultivates the power of "You will die one day," which violently rejects upper-realm qi and thus shuts him off rom ascension. This is how it was as far as I had read, I'm sure he has solved that issue since then.

>>25310716
the skill that matters is storytelling not prose

>>25310770
Sit down and read The Night Land right now, in one sitting. The original version with prose so purple it has a paedophilia conviction.

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Google AI is alright

>>25310804
This is the web novel thread

>>25310804
What is this /wg/ faggotry?

>>25310816
>Ritual poster is a saar
The jokes write themselves.

>ESLs discussing their homelands
>teenagers comparing writing to their homework
I'm starting to suspect /wng/ might be unusable

>>25311035
what winnie are you writing anon

Anyone have link to the web novel discord where people post patteon stuff?

>>25311047
You glow so bright, it's like you live in a nuclear reactor.

>>25311047
FED

>>25311047
I didn't even know that was a thing
There's an underground mini Kemono discord just for winnies?

>>25311104
>>25311138
Dumbasses. This is clearly J.K. Rowling

>>25307933
I want to write a random weird one as a hobby where should I post it at? Literally just something to do for fun

>>25311163
royal road has plenty of ai generated content
if people use it as a dumping ground for that, i'm sure it could host whatever nonsense you write yourself

>>25311169
Ai generated content? Why would anyone want that?

>>25311171
idk
i guess if the premise is interesting enough and the narrative voice is wrangled into bearability then it could be tolerated, if the bar to clear for the reader is boring competence on the line-by-line level

>>25311178
Id just write and post it for myself desu just to do something idc about money or anything I don't want people to like it

>>25311180
then write it and post it, the answer you're looking for is royal road

>>25311183
Thank u bby

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What am I reading? This is AI slop, right? It's not even tagged as such but it has like 150 comments on this chapter

>>25311178
I wouldn’t call AI writing boring competence.
To me, that would be something like R. L. Stine and the countless other boomer/Gen X I’m-just-doing-this-for-the-paycheck tradpub authors, since that’s what everybody grew up reading.
When a normie tries to write, their first instinct isn’t to spam em dashes, flowery metaphors, it’s not X but Y, or abuse the rule of three, but to focus on straightforward exposition (He was XX years old and worked at YYY, where he spent his work hours being absolutely miserable and daydreaming about cracking his boss’s pearly white teeth on a doorknob) and write screenplay-style dialogue with tags like I cried, I gasped, I choked, I gulped, etc., just like R. L. Stine.

>>25310396
>>25310406
Good luck with your 600 words a day that no one ever reads

>>25311213
Bwo RoyalRoad has 10 employees please understand.

wasted the day scrolling twitter instead of writing, biggest goyim award

>>25311213
What book?

>>25311282
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/156475/dragon-core-the-dragon-girl-evolution-princess-collecting

What's the point of reading ai literature I'm being serious

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>>25311318
If by "AI literature" you mean books, papers, essays, blog posts, and research about artificial intelligence, the value depends on what you're trying to get out of it.

Some reasons people read it seriously:

To understand what AI can and can't do. A lot of public discussion swings between "AI will solve everything" and "AI is useless." Reading good material helps separate reality from hype.
To understand how the technology works. Even a basic understanding of concepts like neural networks, training data, and reinforcement learning makes AI systems much less mysterious.
To anticipate social and economic changes. AI is affecting work, education, law, science, and entertainment. Reading about it can help you make career or business decisions.
To engage with the ethical and political questions. Questions about privacy, labor, misinformation, surveillance, and control aren't just technical issues.
To learn how to use AI better. Understanding strengths and weaknesses often leads to better prompting, evaluation, and workflow design.

That said, there are also good reasons not to spend much time on AI literature:

If your goal is purely practical, you may learn more by using AI tools than by reading dozens of articles about them.
A lot of AI writing is repetitive, speculative, or written to generate clicks rather than insight.
Some people read endless commentary without ever building, testing, or applying anything.

A useful rule is: read enough to answer questions you actually care about. If you're interested in whether AI will affect your career, read about that. If you're interested in the technical side, read introductory material. If neither matters to your goals, there's no obligation to follow AI literature just because it's popular.

What kind of AI literature are you talking about—technical research papers, books about AI's impact on society, AI-generated fiction, or something else?

>>25311322
I meant like stories made from AI.
Why would anyone read that stuff? Reading ABOUT AI yeah I get that

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>>25311325
If by "AI literature" you mean fiction, stories, poems, novels, etc. generated by AI, then the answer is: there isn't a single universal reason people read it, and some people don't find it appealing at all.

People who do read AI-generated stories tend to do it for a few reasons:

Novelty and curiosity. They want to see what AI can produce, just as people once experimented with hypertext fiction, procedural game narratives, or other new creative tools.
Personalization. AI can generate stories tailored to a reader's interests, favorite genres, characters, themes, or even specific scenarios that no published author has written.
Infinite niche content. Someone who wants an extremely specific combination—say, a historical mystery on a spaceship with a particular emotional tone—can get something close to that instantly.
Interactive storytelling. Some readers enjoy influencing the story as it unfolds rather than consuming a fixed text.
Entertainment that's "good enough." Not everyone reads fiction seeking literary excellence. Some people just want a quick story to pass the time.

The main criticism is that many readers feel AI-generated fiction lacks the things that make literature interesting in the first place:

A human perspective shaped by lived experience.
Deliberate artistic choices.
A sense that someone had something meaningful to say.
Consistent depth, originality, and style.

For those readers, the question becomes: if the value of literature comes partly from encountering another human mind, then AI-generated stories can feel like they're missing the point.

A useful comparison is music. Some people listen to a song because it's pleasant sounds. Others care that it came from a particular artist expressing something. If you're in the second group, AI-generated fiction may seem much less compelling.

So the strongest argument for reading AI-generated stories isn't "they're better literature." It's usually "they can provide customized or interactive entertainment that human publishing can't easily provide." Whether that's worthwhile depends on what you want from reading in the first place.

>>25311325
>replies to ai post
there's your answer

>reading chapter
>hit a typo / grammar issue / extremely poor wording
>immediately taken out of the story
how do I overcome this?

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>>25311322
>>25311328
Pic related
>>25311325
You have two kinds of people who read AI sludge.
Those who don't give a fuck about who or what makes their content, so long as there's a lot of it.
And people who don't know it's AI.
The majority of people fall into the latter camp. Once someone's seen enough AI-isms, they'll notice it every single time.
You clearly didn't notice that you got a meaningless AI response, but you might next time.
I personally look forward to when the bubble pops since all those techbros are really feeling the squeeze. This shit is going to sputter and die once they're not subsidizing it to make it affordable.

>>25311363
read RI

>>25311365
I didn't notice the first time but instantly noticed the second time lol

>>25311218
It was a dark and stormy night.
I opened my web browser and headed to /lit/ on the 4channel website.
I spotted the thread known as /wng/ and clicked on it.
Sure enough those miscreants were there like usual, talking about their inane "novel" about Japanese cartoon tropes and Kung fu guys who stand on flying swords.
I rolled my eyes.
"lol" I said.
But I wasn't laughing.
A cold gust of wind rattled my bedroom window, making me jump in my seat.
I chuckled nervously and continued to scan the thread.
"What are Gu?", complaints about reviews or not getting reviews. Arguments about prose. Show don't tell. Go back to /wg/
What's wrong with these people?
I shrugged and decided to type my own greentext reply.
">imagine unironically reading slop where the MC face slaps and collects jade beauties for the 50th time", I typed. ">go outside and touch some jade grass."
Heh
I think I got that right. Was I supposed to greentext the second part? Anyway...
I hit submit. The page refreshed.
No replies
I kept doing this for awhile but these brain-rotted kids were ignoring me.
"Read Reverend Insanity. It's Peak", read one post
I cracked my knuckles and hovered my hands over the keyboard.
Just as I was about to type another witty greentext my mouse cursor began to move on its own.
No, I thought, my heart hammering against my ribs. It’s just a glitch. A virus.
But the cursor dragged itself to the top of the browser and clicked the refresh button. A new post appeared.
"Junior, you dare?"
I gasped. A chill ran down my spine, cold as ice. How did they do that?
Crack! A bolt of lightning flashed outside the wind lighting up my Funko Pop display.
I had the strange feeling somebody was there.
I gulped and slowly looked behind me.
There was no one there.
I let out a shaky sigh of relief, wiping the cold sweat from my forehead.
"Get a grip," I muttered to myself. "It's just an internet prank."
I turned back to my computer to close the tab. But the browser was frozen and the screen cast an eerie glow.
And then, a voice boomed from my speakers
"YOU HAVE COURTED DEATH BY INSULTING THE GOLDEN DONG SECT, JUNIOR. NOW, YOU MUST PAY WITH YOUR LIFE!"
Before I could scream, a blinding flash of light erupted from the center of my monitor.
The glass cracked, and a glowing energy beam shot straight out of the screen, aiming right for my chest!
What actually are Gu?

>>25311370
>I didn't notice the first time
you might honestly be retarded sorry anon
if you didn't clock the first reply was AI then AI writing might actually be for you, because it's ultimately for people that are too retarded to realise it's AI

Male MC appeals only to male readers.
Female MC appeals to women AND a lot of male readers.
Explains why FemMCs are so much more popular

>>25311378
My male MC appeals to my female reader.

>>25311385
Based otome writer

>>25311386
LitRPG actually but I try to appeal to all audiences.

>>25311387
Remember: Trying to appeal to everyone appeals to no one.

>>25311388
I try to appeal to people who like deeply philosophical and intellectual themes hidden between big anime booba and silly haha gags.

>>25309798
Not even Marvel. It came from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Just did a got a shoutout from a 2.8k follower story, is nice.

>>25311394
I find shoutout whoring to be incredibly pathetic.

>>25311395
Nobody would do them if they didn't work. Blame the site, not the user.

>>25311402
>Blame the site, not the user.
I am.
However, I will also shame the user for being a whore for views.