I Couldn't Afford to Buy Kindle, So I Started Pirating EditionStubbed >>25307933>What is /wng/ — Web Novel General?A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more>Why read web novels?Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.>Why write web novels?Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.>Advice for Noobs!##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##Running your story like the business it is:www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847On writing web serials:alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/Sanderson's Writing Lectures 2025:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY Recommended web novelsrentry.co/d2yvczroAnon's guide to successrentry.co/RRBasicGuideFAQrentry.co/pytefpxn
>>25313012>I Couldn't Afford to Buy Kindle, So I Started Piratinggive me a qrd on the winnie/light novel with this title
do NOT post clara casewell
>>25313021I will instead post I'm not naming my Winnie because I respect the culture enough to not advertise
>>25313027spreadsheet anon is gone just do it
>>25313032I've already posted it plenty! I'm waiting for a commission and the next month to roll around anyway so that I'm not shilling more than once a month.
If you're ever feeling inadequate about your novel title or cover, don't.
>>25313014click the arrow next to the post number and image serach > google
Here's a good question.How long into a WN focused on one character that does feature a larger cast do you think is a reasonable time before you go into doing things like intermissions and chapters from the other character's perspective after a larger arc? 100k words?
>>25313038i was asking about I Couldn't Afford to Buy Kindle, So I Started Pirating, not its companion work I-Couldnt Afford to Buy Mana, So I Started Streaming
>>25313012Is there an existing genre of like "comfy lit"?I have this idea about a guy who becomes an interstellar cruise ship captain and there's a whole ensemble cast and hijinks ensue. It's more soap opera than anything else but with a little bit of autism around the operationa on the ship.I'm not looking to make money or anything I'm already rich but like I feel like this has to already be a niche but I can't find anything.Basically the literary equivalent of those job simulators Germans like
>>25313014>>25313041The MC couldn’t afford a Kindle, so he started pirating. However, this was a major crime in a near future where Jeff Bezos had seized control of America.He was promptly swatted and taken to a facility. There, criminals like him were strapped into a machine that mined their thoughts for intellectual property and fed their ideas into an AI algorithm.Now, finding himself trapped within a virtual world, the MC had to fend off the AI monsters invading his mind before they killed his consciousness and turned him into a mindless drone.With the help of his imaginary girlfriends and the various waifus from the video games and anime he had enjoyed, he might be able to pull this off.
>>25313048>Is there an existing genre of like "comfy lit"?Slice of life is the top level genre you're referring to, but it has subgenres like school life, cute girls doing cute things, etc.
DUNGEON CRAWLER CARL
>>25313040I did a perspective swap literally right away and I don't particularly care what people will think.
>>25313056>cute girls doing cute thingsi have a deep carnal need for such pleasures
>>25313057>Not haremLiterally what's the point?
>>25313052Bezos hasn't been the CEO for years. Wouldn't read due to intentional inaccuracy.
>>25313048Yeah it's mostly a jap thing. Isekai into cozy farming life or whatever.
>>25313059>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cute_Girls_Doing_Cute_Things
>>25313062>Bezos hasn't been the CEO for years.It's alternate history, retard.
>>25313066>This article may be written from a fan's point of view, rather than a neutral point of view. cute
>>25313063It's because japs are corporate slaves and they want to momentarily escape into the fantasy world of owning land and homesteading with a wife.
>>25313068>immediate insult and snapback commentaryYou will probably describe it as a "winnie". Sorry not sorry I'm just not going to read it HAHA
>>25313063>read lazy life in another world>what I expect: guy just chilling in another world>what I get: cuckqueen BVLLING out her husband
>>25313129Based?
>>25313056Based, thank you
>>25313129>>25313141>>25313147NA botposting hours.
>>25313129>lazy life in another world>cuckqueenDo you have any idea how little that narrows things down?
>>25313157exactly, it's cuckshit all the way down
>>25311602Why use AI for spellcheck when you can just use spellcheck in the word processor?
>>25313252One is a distilled and extracted collection of all text data created by mankind.The other is a word processor.
>>25313256>One is [fanciful description of a word processor].>The other is a word processor.
>>25313256>One is a distilled and extracted collection of all text data created by mankind.that is useless to me as i strive to create something that hasn't been written before
>>25313309urgh... strive, s... struggle, and... ugh, and rage...!!! uuuurggghhhh! uuuGHNNNHGHH*shits myself*
Did anon from two? threads ago give Infinite Realm a try?
>>25313315You may not like it but this is what peak fiction looks like and it's only downhill from here on out.
>>25313256AI still lies and makes mistakes. I've seen AI confuse it's with its, and when corrected, the AI insisted its error was correct. Boomers and zoomers like you who think AI is infallible are why we're in deep shit.
>>25313335>I've seen AI confuse it's with its, and when corrected, the AI insisted its error was correct.I'm more inclined to believe you are just retarded.
>>25313350You shouldn't call people retarded when you need chatGPT to spell for you.
>>25313364>no youcompelling
6 trillion years in the hyperbolic time chamber within photoshop and finally made the silly little ad for part 1 of swan's song. Just waiting for it to go live. I can hardly wait.
>reach 30k words>lose interest in the storyFuck me, third time this happens.
>>25313401*lose interest in writing the story
30-40k is the line where the wheat is separated from the chaff
>>25313401the real killer is coming up with a better premisebecause it’s never a better premise, you just got bored of the current one
>>25313417elaborate on that
>>25313419It's where writing usually starts to feel like a job and you'll see if your idea was engaging enough to carry a longer narrative, or not. It's the hill where most stories die. But the enlightened understand it's more a matter of motivating yourself and adjusting your methods rather than a problem with the story itself.
>>25313430I feel like it's where the "feeling" or vibes just vanish. I don't know how to put it in words well. I still have some interest, and have the scenes in my head, but I really just get somewhat bored with it.A big part is that while it gets good reviews and people like the prose, atmosphere, and characterization, the comments don't really engage with the story past some low iq retards commenting on something dumb or just praising it generally.
I returned to Royalroad after some years not checking it. Why does it feel so fucking Third World now?
>>25313401>>25313417>>25313430>>25313440Be the first R.L.Stein/Scholastic of LitRPG. Release a 30,000 word novella every two weeks until you die.I don’t know if there would be an audience for that. But you could try.
>>25313442Saar please give my fiction a try saar pls saar it's different than the rest saar it's a completely new LitRPG with a harem saar I promise you butiful sar it has never been ever done before saar!
>>25313454There are lots of series made up of novellas and short story collections on RR. Nobody reads them
>>25313430any sure advice for a newbie approaching this milestone for the first time? any expectations to manage?
>>25313454True that. 30k words is when the first 'arc' ends, I guess. And from what I saw people like my writing in general, so it should be possible to write a good short story.
>>25313463>>25313454I don't write litRPGs tho. Obviously.
>>25313440>start a story without planning>post it as you go>don't get the engagement you want>lose motivation and ghost readersI see. So a common case of Zoomeritis ADDism. Recommended treatment is suicide without delay
>>25313462There are only two things that work and you will like neither: discipline and perseverance.
This is my webnovel. It's silly, it's absurd, and it has a lot of offensive jokes, but the prose is true.
Why do all the western isekais always end up moralizing about slavery to us? Even the evil MCs will often do that.
>>25313036she's my wife btw.
>>2531343030-40k is actually easy. The real problem starts when you've been writing every day for 6-12 months.This applies to any endeavor that you do yourself on your own. Not being accountable to other people that you constantly see in real life makes it very difficult to keep doing the same thing.
>>25313060Haremslop writers and consumers must all die die die
>>25313487Right now I'm reading a story where slavery is legal in the country. They have gladiatorial arenas that operate in the open. MC walked in, freed all the slaves and killed all the slavers (everybody that wasn't a slave). He obviously felt morally justified. Of course, he never considered that maybe one of the non-slaves was a doctor that was hired to check up on the health of the gladiators. Or that the guards of the arena are really just people that needed a job. Or that there are going to be a lot of support staff that deal with all the needs of the gladiators or cleaning the arena etc. But slavery bad, therefore murdering them all is justified.
>>25313502>But slavery bad, therefore murdering them all is justified.yes? are you retarded? the slavers got what they deserved, if they didn't want to get murdered, maybe they should not have enslaved people.>but he was a good boy, he had a degree and shityeah but what if one of the slaves was a doctor too, or a former guard?dumb retard
What are gu?
>>25313517enslaved insects that grant various power-ups
>>25313454it's a thing in the erotica sceneRR sloppers value length. serial readers have always preferred a huge back log to get through
>>25313442it always was but it's way worse now because it's not just third world, it's a third world bazaar. rumor of profitability got out and scammers have flooded the scene not to mention the spread and accessibility of AI has caused the dumbest fuckers on the planet to be present in every creative space
>>25313473cute
>>25313524Why don't they simply kill the slavers?
>>25313546I think that's something that Spectral Soul would do.
>>25313517gu are the essence of heaven and earth
What are some non-thirdworld works?
>>25313491You're delusional. The majority of mankind doesn't write 15 minutes, never mind 6-12 months. That's already a professional autist level hurdle then
>>25313546They are not sentient.
Take a closer look at Royal Road for the first time and holy shit it's literally all korean anime RPG isekai slop. Is there any chance for a normal story on that site or is it just completely over?
>>25313615>doesn't read webnovels>doesn't write webnovels>doesn't like webnovels>posts in the webnovel threadmany such cases
>>25313615No, there is literally no chance. Give up. You aren't entitled to readership from an audience you don't like. Go peddle your normality to normalfags.
>>25313619I think your expectations for webnovels have been drastically numbed by modernity that you have lost all capacity for judgment
>>25313622This is the equivalent of saying "I won't stop feeding my child junk food because it's the only thing I know they like." Like jesus, man, it's possible to delight someone with something new. Intentionally refraining to do so is an insult to the audience's intellect
>>25313626broaden your horizons, stop living in your own head
>>25313622Bold of you to assume that only one type of audience exists.
>>25313626I really couldn't give less of a shit for your opinion on what you think my opinions areyou're in a thread for a hobby you disdain. maybe try thinking about that
>>25313635>webnovels are gook litRPG isekaislopOkay.
>>25313635oh boy someone's undies are twisted. utterly impossible for you to think I can like a hobby and also criticize it. surely I hate someone if I don't suck their dick, right?
>>25313632You get what you give. Pose bad questions, get bad answers.
>>25313633The trending page isn't a horizon, it's a damn pringles can
>>25313646webnovels are for people who like to read
>>25313641>makes posts acting lik a whiny bitch>why are you treating me like a whiny bitch :(if you wanted to productively criticize you shouldn't have opened with >>25313615>I looked at the biggest english webnovel site for the first timesure doesn't sound like you like the hobby or know anything about it
>>25313644Pose questions to people with bad insecurity,* get bad answers
>>25313647If you liked to read, you'd read actual novels instead of gook isekaislop.
>>25313651if you liked to read, you'd read
>>25313652I prefer to eternally scroll through a page with gook doodles that look like shit.
>>25313647How intentionally vague and avoidant of you.>>25313648I don't care about your personal opinion of me. I care about how apologetic you are to the abysmal variety of Royal Roads
>>25313648Eh, don't bother engaging that fag. He's just a /wg/ refuge who wants to come in and stir the pot because he's got nothing better to do. Certainly not writing. Either that, or even more funny, he really believes his own hype. We get plenty of those too. People coming in and thinking they're hot shit who'll get rich quick by illuminating their literary genius online.
There's a guy who comes to this thread every other week or so and posts about how he's going to revolutionize the webnovel scene with some tradslop trite.He never does.
>>25313659>>25313663I still don't understand what exactly you're trying to defend here. I asked this >>25313615immediately after reading The Unexpected Engagement of the Marvelous Mr. Penn, thinking "man I sure hope I can find more stuff like this," and seeing all of the biggest hits lists completely diluted by whatever the fuck. Do neither of you see any kind of issue with that?
>>25313666You are arguing with professional shit eaters that'd fight pigs at a trough to get some of their slop. Get thee hence, satan.
>>25313659I get why hoodrat types have HOLD ME BACK HOLD ME BACK cultureit really does help to have someone tell you that the fight is beneath you
>>25313663If one ever did, I'm sure we'd never hear the end of it. I choose to believe that it's always a new person who goes through the process of being mind broken by 'inferior' literature.
>>25313676>'inferior' literature.Said by an AIslop devourer.
If this were just called Power Fantasy general, I wouldn't have tried to complain about it. But you're pretending it's anything more than that.
Stock going up well, aleardy have 8,300 words doneBeen writting around 1,5k per day and the prologue is 800 words.Hitting chapter 20 before posting should aleardy start thr novel with around 30k words for any reader to get on going.
>>25313689>FUUUUUUUUCK PEOPLE ARE DISAGREEING WITH ME THAT MUST MEAN THEY'RE MAD AND THEY HATE MEnope just confused why you're overly defensive
>>25313699nice anon, I'm jealous.
>>25313703Probably focus on exploration nowThe first 5 chapters felt more like "this is how things are"Now from 5 to 10 its all exploration till we find the first human settlement and 10 to 15 is a dungeon exploration 15 to 20 is reaching the city itself All these will be released in a single weekend and from there i intend to write daily chapters onGood plan?
>>25313707pacing sounds fine>batch release>start regular release schedulenormal stuffyou probably want more of a backlog before you start though. life will get in the way and you'll be thankful for that padding
>>25313707Frontloading is definitely good, maybe spread the release a little bit further apart so that it can better set the reader's expectation of future release pacing? Gives you a bit more leeway and anticipation, not to mention letting readers discuss things. Idk, I haven't done it before.I'd say keeping the personal stakes and conflict constantly present is the most important. If the writing is good enough, you can do whatever the hell you want
>>25313714Sounds fair enough, maybe i should release the 10 first and the other twenty release daily as i keep writting infront of the chapters.Aka i am always 10 chapters in the future.>>25313715Yeah, i can't really know if my writting is good or not.Never had any experience with publishing web novels, just always liked to write storys or imagine then by myself.So this is a newer experience.>Keep personal stakes and conflict constantly present.Sounds good.So far the personal stake is fiding people and discovering what happend to him(MC) and conflict is that the whole world changed completly.I will focus on more exploration in the chapters 5 to 10, probably add some self reflection on his situation as things calmed down a bit(first 5 he was trying to find a place to recover and also almost died twice)
>>25313727you'll burn through that 10 chapter backlog in a flashit's easy to fall behind on a backlog. it's very difficult to build it upgo for 20 chapters in the future at the minimum. really, you'll thank yourself. a bit of patience now will save you a pain the ass later>always liked to write storys or imagine then by myselfbased intrinsic motivator. a real human beanenjoy writing anon
>>25313734How about thisPrepare the 20 release AND have 20 on the backlogEach one i post, i also write a new one.If i can't, theres 20 chapters to hold back.Now question, 5 times a week sounds good? Dunno if i can keep up 7 daysSpecially when i can use the weekends to write more chapters to leave in the backlogAlso, based writting enjoyer
>>25313727The worst book is better than the best idea, because at least the book exists. There are a hundred cowardly critics for every bold writer, because to make a book is to give out your heart; to judge a book is to borrow a heart.
>>25313737yeah that sounds better>5 times a week sounds good?7 days a week will burn you out for sure. 5 is quite ambitious but if you think you can pull it off it's a reasonable (if challenging) goalall good on all engines. send it full speed ahead
>>25313742True.Gave some extra courage, thanks anon.>>25313744Mostly because i am used to writting alot randomly(not uncommon for me to writte ideas for 3k words Just because) so 5 times a week at 1,5k is the more safe to me.All i need is just to plan (i want X to happend and end in Y)Within that space i tend to write all the ways till the goal and so far it worked to me.Never really planned all the chapter or arc, mostly so some key events and went for it
>it’s the 4 am chinkslop-pseud argument againonce again american hours remain supreme
>>25313666Why don't you just read trad pubbed books if you want trad style books like that?
>>25313666Where did you read that story if you've never closely looked at RR before?
>>25313545if you're the one who started following me today, thank you. You are a true bro.
>>25313012
>>25313944That only works on actual Koreans, not people that consume the media
>>25313944careful, we've got a few femdom postersyou're gonna make someone cum
>>25313057Didn't the author literally admit that he is just writing it as a propaganda tool to own the chuds or something equally lame, which explains why it's been so astroturffed.
>>25313974>make up some bullshit about how your story is written to own [political group]>ideologues relentlessly shill your story for FREEgenius
>>25313974No ideaNever read it.
>>25313983I mean he did start saying it after he already cashed out with a 6 figure movie/show deal.Fix was probably in from the start.
>>25313060No pointWhich is why i don't read it>>25313499Faggot.
>>25313386Did they trap you in there for 999 thousand of billions of years with vados and you passed hiv to her?Brvtal dude
RI chapter 245. FY rejecting Shang Xin Ci’s requests of dinner to dual cultivate Bai Ning Bing is based. I can see why gay people love this story, it is very supportive about LGBT.
>>25314022Aww BNB is getting jealous in chapter 247.
>>25314022The gay that they say it wont be gay since its a woman, but since it was originally a man, it is gay thenGayception.
>>25314032isn’t it just trans then
>>25314034yeah that's what anon said, gay
>>25314034>>25314058Exacly.Its gay, some will say its not gay, but still it is gay.
>>25314022Is that the one weird chinese fetish story where the guy turns other dudes into women so he can lust over them without feeling gay?
>>25314086(next time I do this, I'm naming myself Gayry)
>>25314087The gay(not) cultivation of gayry, who makes man into woman so It is not gay (he is pretty gay)
>>25313974Well, did he? Post a transcript from an interview or something.
Light novels are considered too dense for the younger generations.Do with that information as you will.https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=NMzPflF1aQQ&t=244s&pp=ygUSTGlnaHQgbm92ZWwgbGFycGVy
>>25314109most millenials and zoomies dont read eitherall that matters is what's happening with the actual reader demographic
>>25314119The readers themselfs where always a minorityDunno why people act as if this is new.Like any niches, reading is... Well niched.You won't lose anything with this besides getting more limiting thoughts.
>>25314121demoralization doomer babble is always pointless
>>25313454Unironically my goal. I just want to be able to make a modest living, something like 40-50k a year, by publishing an anthology series.
>>25314121>themselfs>where
>>25314130You don't seem to understand what anthology means especially in the publishing industry
>>25314144"Anthology series" is actually a different term from "anthology" with its own meaning.
>>25313454
>>25314127^This
>>25314152Surely you could do better than that title. If I were to do it, I'd call it Lit(e)RPG. Then you ape the gimmick of the Horrorland series where you have self-contained adventures for the main novella followed by a chapter or two of an overarching narrative involving all the protagonists from each book. Perhaps you could even tease the next novella by introducing the character early.
>>25313454But the point of LitRPG is making the numbers climb high. If you're resetting them every third month, what's the use?
>>25314152>>25314173That's why you go with the Hardy boys format
>>25314144>acts smarmy and smug>is wrongdo you ever feel shame over doing this or do you not reflect on the behavior at all
what's with retarded titles that do not give justice at all to novels'escape the haunted hotel', sounding like a mystery thriller when it's closer to some cosmic salvation of all existence stuff, or the retarded sss class suicide hunter and picking up girls in dungeonIs it the editor?
>>25314247titles are market material.first and foremost a good title is one that gets clicks. not one that perfectly encapsulates the themes and content of a story
>>25314251I'm aware, unfortunately, though usually there's still some connection to the main theme/story at least.
hedgehog's love, where the pair cannot be close to each other without hurting the otherI love the concept, but is it actually true or nonsense?
read RI, it’s peak
>>25314277lots of people are garbage at interpersonal relationships it's usually an expression of having no impulse control
>>25314277im writing it
>>25314277is what nonsense? that it makes for a good romance dynamic? use words mfer
>>25314284I'm a reader, not a writer, I'm garbage at expressing my thoughts, I meant whether hedgehogs really hurt each other with love>>25314281I meant something a bit higher probably, something like the pair's proximity being hurtful for the other because they're them, not physically of course, but emotionally
>>25314284Oh, but whether it makes for a good romance dynamic? I'm certain that's highly subjective, but I absolutely dig it, I love it, I rivet in it. It fills me like little else.
>>25314144Yet another anon going to mention this, but anthology is any collection of works. It does not imply multiple authors. All of Shakespeare's plays in a collection is still an anthology of plays.An anthology series is a series of books in a shared world but in different places, times, and with different characters.I am also writing one of these.>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/93079/keygemin-sky-pirates-gempunkMine are also arounf the same period of time, instead of different times in the world's history.
>>25313473Enjoy your 1-star rating!
>>25314175> by AN AuthorYou can't tell me that ChatGPT lacks a sense of humir.
>>25314175And Nancy Drew for the femc enjoyers
>>25314329>that hem length>side cutabsolute fucking tramphow the FUCK did they get away with this
>>25314329that's a man isn't it
>>25314322what process did you settle on for the covers? I do really like them, they stand out more than the other AI slop ones I seethere's still far too much detail in crystalreach though, it just looks like noise at medium resolution
>>25313869Why does genre and style need to be arbitrarily divided by publisher in the first place? Traditional publishing by no means guarantees any level of quality; it just means the author has more income or industry connections.>>25313903It's #6 on best rated.
>>25313473>bioYou fucking tranny. Make your lies believable at least.Kudos for posting regularly thoughever.
>>25314349>Why does genre and style need to be arbitrarily divided by publisher in the first place?It doesn't. Which is why litrpg, progression and isekai will take over tradpub too
>>25314356Only because the young adult generation in South Korea (and by extension the rest of the 1st world) are so detached from reality that they need hyper melodrama just to feel something. Not because it's, like, actually good or anything
>>25314367>power fantasy numberslop>melodramaIt's like you're just making random noises now, ai is more coherent
>>25314367>hyper melodramaI love my super melodrama, with lots of twisted, obsessed love or love hate, well aware it's pure fiction. I like it because it's my ideal, a romance that is tempered and not 'simple' or just 'vanilla'. It's naive, worshipping romance even, longing for a 'it must be you', rather than a 'you will do'. But that's what fills me.
>>25314367>it's not GOOOODDDD>WHY ARE STILL READING IT>DIDN'T YOU HERE ME IT'S NOT GOOOOOOD>STOP HAVING FUN
I alwyas find it so amusing to read porn in broad daylight and no one realizing it while I'm experiencing such a hard boner in something not too different from being in a strip club, ie, nice arousal that doesn't quite reach the point of needing to fap, it clears the mind
>>25314391kek
>>25314390>obsessed love or love hateI'm writing something custom made for youhave you played slay the princess? bit off topic since it's a visual novel but I suspect you'd really enjoy it
>>25314384>t. never opened a dictionary>>25314390I'm inclined to believe this happens because you've been detached from the real life sensations of romance that literature can never seek to replicate. I don't blame you for that common phenomenon, we're all victim to it in one way or another, but you shouldn't think it's the only thing you can like.>>25314391refer to >>25313632
>>25314408that metaphor is not only stupid but also not comparablewhy are you here
>>25314412Hmm, let's see. Both examples have:>The receiver taking the one thing they instinctually like, even though it's hyper-processed and indulgent>Refusing anything else because it doesn't feel as carnally rewarding>The giver trying to defend their distribution because of the receiver's shallowest feedbackSeems almost identical to me. Why are you afraid of critical discussion
/wg/. /sffg/. /wng/. Last week, the three generals lived together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the psueds attacked. Only the jannies, masters of all /lit/, could stop them, but when the board needed them most, they vanished...
>>25314428only one of these generals actually talks about the craft of writing, and you're currently in it
>>25314419the critical point that makes your metaphor moronic is that the child isn't deciding it's intake whereas the reader ispeople WANT to read this stuff. everyone is aware of what they're choosing to read and are actively choosing to do so because they like itagain why are you here>>25314428jannies have been bums for almost a decadebring back nazi mods that instant ban for shit
>>25313579You don't need to write 15 minutes every day to reach 30k. You can write 30k in a few days to a week. Most people can keep themselves motivated for that long, but they will struggle in the longer term.
>>25313510>the slavers got what they deserved, if they didn't want to get murdered, maybe they should not have enslaved people.This only makes sense if you use modern American morality though. In universe it doesn't make sense. If slavery in universe was as reviled then it wouldn't exist in the open.
>>25314406>slay the princessno, I haven't touched a VN in 9 years by now, due to lack of time as I feel like I need more time to immerse myself into one than with novels, but the experience is usually even betterI'll keep that title in mind, thanks anon
Is this a good web novel idea? Basically reverse shield hero>Woman gets transmigrated into a maid for a naive low ranking noble>Seduces him, accuses him of rape, gets him thrown in jail and gets compensation money>She spends the money on cosmetics to cultivate an image of being a saintess and basically gets an army of simps>When men get in her way, she'll use her saintess image to accuse them of trying to rape her, and socially ruin them>When women get in her way, she'll socially ruin them by spreading rumors that they are abusive towards their maids, that they aren't virgins, or that they're just golddiggers (meanwhile she herself is all three)>Endgame is her becoming the queen>Her main obstacle is the first prince, who is intelligent, upright, and immediately notices mc is a manipulative bitch. He has a strong political faction and is all but guaranteed to succeed the throne>She latches on to the second prince, who is handsome but an idiot, easily seducing him with the lie that the first prince SAed her, and uses her political talent to bring his faction from being basically non-existent to a serious contender against the first prince
>>25314443No people don't want actual villains just edgy antiheros
>>25314443damn ok
>>25314428FIFTEEN YEARS HAVE PASSED SINCE THE ROYALROAD TRAGEDY, CAUSED BY THE LEGENDARY MOONLIGHT SCULPTOR BEING TRANSLATED TO ENGLISH. OUR BOARD WAS DIVIDED INTO THREE GENERALS: /wg/, /sffg/, /wng/; RESULTING IN UNTOLD CHAOS.
>>25314433How much choice does the reader have when an entire website is just the same four stories recycled with different names? inb4 "just go somewhere else" because you can equate that with a child just refusing to eat the candy you give him. Claiming author(s) have no influence over a reader's choices and tastes is retarded and avoiding responsibility.Imagine that Royal Roads was the first major experience for a reader getting into accessible web novels. For some, it may be. All they have to work with is isekais, which they get Stolkholmed into liking because they literally never learn there's more than just that. There is a failing on the author's part, just like any public figure's part, of being a good example for those who admire them.
I want the thrill and peaks of love hate. Every now and then, the memories flash in me, when the heroine, in stupid love with MC, recalled the memories of the previous cycle where she was even tortured by him. Good Lord. I had a brain orgasm.
>>25314450/Wng/ is less than a year old
>>25314450qrd? I'm new here
>>25314455Royal Road Legends was founded in 2011
>>25314460Reading comprehension fail
>>25314453I had an idea for a premise that would allow this but it was shut down for being garbage goon shit
>>25314458There is no QRD. He was making shit up.
>>25314458That's all it is really.RoyalRoad, formerly RoyalRoadLegends, started off as a fansite for the translation of Legendary Moonlight Sculptor./wng/ is fairly new though.
>>25314433>bring back nazi mods that instant ban for shitGuess you weren't here when /wng/ won an attrition war against the jannies.
>>25314469>Guess you weren't here when /wng/ won an attrition war against the jannies.You mean when Reverend Faggot made duplicate threads 10 times in a row and single-handedly killed the general?
>>25314477>Reverend FaggotI need to know about this
>>25314477Then anons camped in /wg/ and made gonganon have a melty until we got our home back.Good times.
oh no bros the big names are shitting on our winnies!!!!
>>25314463if your story touched the penis instead of the brain, then I guess it was, the one I refer to had zero erotic elements, it just made me feel the attraction of death, suicide and love-hate.
I know you fags read my story, but why won't you ever talk about it?
>>25314450It's a Kamen Rider intro reference since I was making an Avatar intro joke
>>25314489meant for >>25314458
>>25314483>ourI'm not a redditor.
>>25314483>Reddit Player Onebig kek
>>25314498newfag
>>25314508it's funny but you can't laugh 'cause it's talking about you
>>25314498It was the best writing in that screenshot.
>>25314518>“It sucks I’m going to have to start at level 1 when we actually get to play this for real,” Skulldug said, a man in black armor carrying a modestly impressive, if not ornate great sword on his back that radiated a soft blue glow.the very first line that a reader encounters is pretty rough, I'd stop reading for that alone but I'm picky on grammargenerally if a writer doesn't give a shit or can't recognise that their first line/opening hook sucks then there's no point in banking on them caring about the rest of the storyalso, play around with formatting/UI elements a bit more, right now the headers are plaintext so blends into the prose, makes it annoying to read on very first glance
>>25314518>>25314525That first sentence is your big hitch here. You're opening on such a literal first impression that even the average RR ape might be put off by the lack of subtlety. Here's a (still not good nor subtle, but a bit more flavorful) attempt from me without having read the rest:>"I almost hate getting a taste of this," said Skulldug as he admired the blue glow of the otherwise plain greatsword in his hands, and felt the heft of the black armor embracing his body like a convincing whore. "Since I know we're not keeping this when we actually start at level 1."
>>25314525Same thing happened to me. Read that line and blanked out until I closed it 20 seconds later.>>25314518An important method for improving dialogue:Step 1. Take the obvious, expositional line in question and consider how the listening character/reader would respond to it.>“It sucks I’m going to have to start at level 1 when we actually get to play this for real,”can get responses like>"Why not start again at level 1? Don't you wanna start fresh?">"Maybe we'll get a founder's bonus and start with some loot and exp,">"I don't want to play this shit anymore.">"What do you think changes when it gets real?"Step 2: Think of how the first character would respond to one of those replies.>"It took so long to get this far. I'm gonna miss all my loot. I hate being poor.">"Oh, yeah, sure, they'll give us three hours of content for free after playing for a thousand hours. Thanks, devs!"; "They better throw in a badass cape or other cosmetic. It's the least they can do.">"But you'll get to try other classes! Maybe get into alchemy or magic next time.">"We'll have new players lots of new players, and they'll admire us like gods."Step 3. Cut everything but the third line. This gives in media res, character motivations, mystery, and brevity. The reader can assume the unspoken circumstances quite accurately with the third line alone, because there's only so many contexts where such a response could make sense.Similar to the advice of >>25314539
>>25314518>>25314539I'd format it differently, you want the first line to be short, punchy, and give a nebulous idea or scene for the next line to contextualise to force them to read further>"I almost hate getting a taste of this.">Skulldug admired the blue glow of the otherwise plain greatsword in his hands, and felt the heft of the black armor embracing his body like a convincing whore. "Since I know we're not keeping this when we actually start at level 1, and all.">[then him slashing his sword around or something, having fun]>"Almost.">[continuation of scene]you can do better than how I've formatted it here thoughif I was writing it I would try an image of longing after a piece of equipment he's wielding (presents the reader a tiny contradiction as the hook, why is he upset over something he's currently holding?), then by the end of the next few lines the reader understand that it's a playtest/debug or whatever's actually happening in ur chapter i haven't read enough to care, then you can either launch into a conversation or narrative explanation to describe it furtherit's easy to trick the reader into reading the first few lines by giving them something simple and ambiguous, a little riddle for the story (and the reader themselves) to immediately solve before presenting the next puzzleweb novel readers (like me) have an extreeemely short attention span, you need to trick them into caring about the first few lines before they've even read them, and then do it again, and again, and then they accidentally read the first chapter
Currently working on a perpendicular advertising strategy: Making self-shippers from bluesky and twitter to want to fuck my characters. Those ladies are crazy and love trying to justify their favorite slop to people.Current progress, after one week: I got follows and engagement from a few people who have detailed, high volumes of illustrated porn of themselves getting railed by, among other things:>Two different iterations of Starscream from Transformers>A fat fish thing from League of Legends>The Amazing Screw-On Head>About 1/3 the male cast of Fallout: New Vegas>1/6 the male cast of Fallout 4>Clayface from BatmanThis got my winnie out of the sub-20 follower hellpit but they're not converting much to ratings or reviews. They're active lurkers. Need to figure out how to push them to an engagement state. Any ideas? No, I will not post it here. If you're on the right hashtags you'll find me, and when you do I will have no idea what you're talking about if you mention /wng/.
>>25314539>like a convincing whoreits an evocative simile but it puts me off and I assume most readers its a bit jarring for litrpg slop which runs YA in tone and style despite often having adult protagonistI would make a lot of probably wrong assumptions about the story if athat simile is my introduction
>>25314563
>>25314580You just need to replace "convincing whore" with whatever you think would be excessively affectionate to you. The idea I had was the armor fits so damn well you don't want to take it off. You gotta give some weight to the things you describe.
>>25314518It doesn't suck suck but there are real issues with both initial appeal (cover, summary, premise elements) and the writing itselfIf you expect this to blow up, revise those expectations, unfortunatelyWorry about improving at the craft, and if getting readers is your goal, then also learn how to present your front page material better
>>25314586im not the op anon, and i agree with the general idea of punching it up, but the simile you chose belongs in a grittier more adult genre imo. felt very jarring to read though I do like it when isolated
>>25314598>but the simile you chose belongs in a grittier more adult genre imoIt belongs to a more cringe genre of neckbeard fantasies.
>>25314550>>25314555>>25314525>>25314539Changed it to: "I better be able to find this weapon in the commercial version"
>>25314601I think placed right it could fit in many dark fantasy books I've read, so I wouldn't be that uncharitable about it
>>25314605I'm the 3 step method anon. I like it. Maybe change commercial version to "public release" because it rolls off the tongue better. Just a nitpick, thanks for hearing us out
>>25314605>commercial versionsounds too stilted, just say "retail" if you're already relying on your audience being familiar with playtests and live-service gamesit might also be stronger if you frame it as a want or a motivation rather than a hope, so "This is the first weapon I'm going for" rather than "I hope it's included in the game" but it depends on whether passivity or action suits this character's voice
>>25314601The only difference between that and RR's audience is the RR audience hasn't hit puberty and can't grow neckbeards yet.
My mother has been consuming a lot of chinese slop tv series, and I can't help to notice how rude and unchivalrous the men act towards women compared to mexican telenovels. Are asian women into that?
>>25314615RR skews younger than like goodreads or something, but they are definitely not teensWhy do you think patreon conversion is so absurd there? 10% of readers converting to paypiggies on a free product? They're western tech bros on average with disposable income
>>25314629I went with that one since I felt it was a little too racy to go "Their ethnic groups don't promote facial hair growth."
>>25314640also doesnt hold with the disposable income point
>>25314648There's two kinds of whales, anon. Rich whales and debt whales. The majority of whales are debt whales.
>>25314652I dont buy itIts not microtransactions its a monthly sub
>Been writting the novel backlog for almost a week now.Time to ask somethings, if you anons can help me.>Prologue or Not?I have a prologue, basically the main character right before the whole event happend.Cutting it short is basically."Main character on his last moments at the streets of his city, with the stomach torn open while the world and skies start to grow and split apart.He dies mourning he could not see what happend next, thinking that this was his chance for an adventure and forget his past mistakes.Wakes up in a dream world hunted by a shadow beast in the form of the moster that killed him too.Chapter ends when he wakes up into the new and changed world."What you guys think? I could just start in chapter one with him waking up off his death and leave it to the mystery.Or leave the prologue and use the shadow beast for a plot point as the story carries, also the exact nature of his death and why he suddenly woke up alive again.What you guys think?
>>25314652and its not even fucking whales its a lot of people paying a normal amount, meaning its a demographic with disposable income
>>25314656Yeah, and you can put that shit on a credit card and forget about it til later. Rich whales are great, and you want them, but the majority are debt whales.
>>25314660you are retarded I am afraid
>>25314658to me the only function of a prologue is if your inciting incident or the story's premise is deferred for a later chapter and you need to reassure readers that they are in fact reading the correct storythen you include a prologue that hints at whatever your early chapters are missingif the core of your story starts from chapter 1 with little to no preamble then you don't need itthere could be other uses for them, but the only prologues that I find to be useful or helpful boil down to serving that purpose
>>25314663the only person I know who plays gacha is deep in debt, and has opened so many credit cards that she moved to another country to escape itthese sorts of people exist. claiming that most people who whale are deep in debt is retarded but it's not nonsense
>>25314669Fair enough.I could leave such matters of the dream sequence, his death and related for later.Like a "shock" or "mind attack" that flashes moments of that time while he was hunted and his original death too.Could work well, also leaving the shadow beast that killed him as a later creepier enemy.Where we would then see the actual dream sequence, as the monster shows up again.
>>25314674I didn't say deep in debt, I said they rely on debt. They might have excellent credit scores and pay off their debts on a timely basis. They're still in debt. They don't have that money, they're borrowing it because they would rather guarantee their financial access than save up for later.
>>25314669this. no point in a prologue if it's just a retitled chapter 1. It's a free space to tell important things that wouldn't fit conveniently anywhere else
>>25314678What you think of the idea >>25314676I could make better use of leaving the prologue behind and using it later in the story, when such plot points are actully needed.
>author I like starts a new fiction>leave them a glowing review asapI'm like a fountain of positivity and joy.
>>25314676i don't read isekai but i've never understood why they all need to explain why and how their mc died as a narration of eventsto me the genre would be more interesting when the protagonist wakes up without any discrete details of their own identity but retaining their memories of contemporary culture then they piece it together as the story goes onor, if you need him to retain everything from the moment he wakes up, just have it told to the reader through fragmented memories like "I was... whoahhh... I was crossing the road... then a truck... and then... I'm here... whoa... isekai... just like my mangas..."it all depends on how much memory you want your MC to have and none of it requires an event-by-event sequence as a prologue
>>25314674>>25314677wtf do you guys think whales are?$5 to $10 a month is not whaling10% of the readerbase doing it is also not whaling
People who buy battle passes are whales
>>25314689The MC didn't forget anything, nor its an isekai but i can see where you are coming.The world itself changed and i mean EARTH as a whole changed.Mc just woke up after "dying"He has no idea how long he has been "dead" nor what exacly happens besides the bare start of it(which was the events happening right before he fully passed out)I am thinking of dropping the prologue and leave such questions as a mystery till the MC start touchings these things and the beast that killed him later in the story.
>>25314687Uhuuuu joy!Positivity\(-v-)/
>>25314679It boils down to what the shadow beast is meant to represent to him. If it's fear, it should motivate his cowardly actions in the future. If it's the unknown, it should motivate his curiosity in the future. If it's meant to represent inevitability, it should motivate his heroic or iconoclastic actions in the future. In any case, it should refer to a trait from his past that transcends death and lingers in his present. When that trait becomes most prevalent in the story is where you put those flashbacks. You could also make it more of a hallucinatory experience instead of an easily distinguishable memory; if the he/the audience doesn't know whether the flash explicitly is from the past or not, it makes the experience more immediate, real, and threatening.>>25314687^real hero btw
>>25314699I think i will go with the hallucinationmaxxing route with this one.Specially since the mc will be atleast 3 weeks(in a world where days are 48 hours) all isolated, perhaps more when he starts to venture deeper in the jungles to find if any survivors still exist.Metting shadow presences and sounds alike the creature( which did specific types of *clicks clicks clicks* with its arm blade.We could go from the first 5 chapters which is the MC fiding a somewhat safe base and preparing himself To the slow burn mental warfare he and the beast hasI am thinking more of a "challenger" and "curiosity with danger' feel to it.The MC is a challenger of sorts to these things, having shocks of when such thing may or may not be there might prove an intetessing event.Alike him preparing to fight out of nowhere or nightmares with the beast again, as we will know it is coming closer but never know when or how or even how it looks.Besides the MC own memory of the shadowy figure.
>>25314658Prologue is only useful if your Chapter 1 is a slow burn, like how every horror movie starts with the monster killing a random victim before cutting to the actual protagonists going about their boring lives.Even then, there’s no need to label it “Prologue”. Calling it “Chapter 1” and changing your 1 into 2 is totally fine.
>>25314696>>25314706i'm glad you're excited about your story anon but literally nobody in this thread knows what you're talking about or how to diagnose how your story should be structured based on the convoluted mechanics of your world, because it's not published yetalso, try to avoid the wishy-washy, non-descript imagery of skies being torn asunder and being hunted by beasts of shadow and so on as much as you can at the very start, those evocative descriptions come later once your reader knows wtf your story is about and what is going onimo you need at least one grounded image before you try treading a confusing line of "is he dying or is he falling asleep or is he already dreaming" sensory descriptions, if a story opens cold on that shit i'm not going to bother trying to parse it
>>25314711Yeah, i think its better to leave what i wrotr for thr prologue for later.
>>25314724Fair enough I think the story will be built better if i leave such dream sequences for later.Thanks to y'all for the answers
>>25314706Be clear with what makes the shadow beast challenging. Is it challenging because it's just strong, or because it's sneaky or clever? How does the hero need to physically and mentally change to overcome the beast, and what makes improvement so difficult? At some point, they should have to admit some humility or force some courage before making a breakthrough. Maybe the isolation is what starts to really get to him?
>>25314734I am thinking of the isolationThough at first it will be seen like its all fine.We will slowly see those effects of isolation with nothing but animals he hunted or fought against, specially in the first """dungeon""" he goes in(a moutain he needs to pass to reach another side, but it became a host for monsters of fire)In that with a closed space we will see more that his overall "chill" personality so far has been a mask.Then he will met another human, also in the dungeon and they will help each other out.The effects of coming back from death and isolation will too be shown in the interactions.
who are the bogdanoffs of the WN sphere?
>>25314518I generated your cover. Attached is my feedback.
>>25314768Btw, not the guy you are quoting.But how much should one be mindfull of repeated ""filler"" words"Said","he","yet","it","i" and so on
>>25314740well there you go.think of all the moments where having a partner would make life easier, then make the absence of one impossible to ignore. e.g. the weight of having to carry a hunted animal alone, having nobody to watch your back/help you out of a trap/listen to you complain/see the shadow beast, playing a song that's best with two instruments, missing the warmth of another body, etc. Then when he finds another person, fill in those gaps and let the hero feel relieved. You get the gist
>>25314690Patreon whales pay 10 dollars to 500 different fictions each month.
>>25314772>he and I are pronouns and are expectedSaying "James said" implies that the reader doesn't know that a dialogue tag in quotation marks indicate that a character is speaking.You are insulting their intelligence.
>>25314778I see i see.Thanks!
>>25314773You know.The examples you said gave me quite the few ideas, thanks anon!
>>25313012How confident are you in your ability to writing action sequences?
>>25314806not at allgood thing i'm writing cosy slice-of-life
>>25314774There's zero chance more than a few people total do that. You’re just making shit up
>>25314854What would a NEET like you know about having disposable income?
>>25314778I once wrote a story with zero dialogue tags. Half of the reviews and comments are people screaming at me to add dialogue tags.For everyone know-it-all, there are a dozen people who get lost navigating a stright road. Smart people can mentally block shit out, while dumb people can’t mentally add shit in. And the latter far outnumbers the former.
>>25314873Are you schizophrenic?
>>25314890I have disdain for retards which is why I write for the smart people.I think that's why I won't ever reach the "success" some are talking about.
>>25314890Awesome, thanks for teaching me how to filter out retards.
>>25314904are you fat?
>>25314951yes
>>25314973are you a girl?
>>25314982I decline to comment
>>25314987hehe just how I like em
>>25314687>author I like starts a new fiction>it's a fanfic
>author I like starts a new fiction>the author is fictional
>>25315102If it's that one author everything they do is fanfic and really fucking highly rated. Just read and enjoy.
>>25314452If you think Royalroad only has 4 stories then you might be illiterate.>>25314890You should use dialogue tags about every 3rd-5th line. You can go longer in some cases, but it can make the dialogue confusing if your characters don't have a distinctive enough voice.
>>25315152Please, for the love of god, show me the variety that all the filters hide from me then
>>25315188Two Isekai stories already aren't the same. That's why some of them become very popular while others don't.
>>25314452There's already a massive supply of every other kind of story in the English speaking world and it's been like that for many decades. People already got tired of it which is why tradpub is just Romantasy slop now and western men mostly went on to other things, especially video games.Web novels are an alternative niche, a huge part of the appeal is that it isn't like the slop we were reading 60 years ago. It's the new slop that the chinks were reading 20 years ago. But it's new to us.You've entered this weird niche and are complaining it's not like the stale blown out paperback world you came from.
>>25315205>This fruit stand has good apples, AND it has some bad apples!Does it sell anything other than apples?>>25315209>Get with the trends old manYou weren't even alive 40 years ago, what would you know about the zeitgeist? And just because something is popular, it doesn't mean it must be the ONLY thing that's popular. You're indirectly complimenting me because I'm already tired of isekaislop
>>25315211It doesn't matter what you and I personally are tired of. I'm speaking of trends.The authors are writing to market. What you're asking for in web novels exists but only in India and SEA in local languages. This is because those places never had much of their own tradpub industries so they're consuming those kind of stories now in addition to translated east-Asian slop. They aren't bored of standard mystery, horror, fantasy type stuff yet so authors are creating those works.
>>25315188try reading some yourself you whiny retardor alternatively get the fuck out of here since you very evidently don't enjoy reading if you'd rather be doing anything else
>>25315216Something I forgot to add. I was telling people earlier not to write harem anymore.This is because the readership is trending away from it even in China. People are sick of it. In the future we'll notice a lot fewer harems even in Xianxia works. Again the authors write what the readers want.
NEWSThe Lord of the Mysteries author put out a new story only a few days ago.
>"maybe I shouldn't read cuckshit it turns me into a cuck spiritually"the world is healing
>>25315223Wake me in 3 years once it's finished and I know the reviews.
>>25315217We've been over this >>25313666>>25315216>>25315220that's great and all, but it doesn't really invalidate my objection to the lack of variety. Some people on this board say that webnovels can only be isekaislop, and that's nonsensical. I'm being painted as a villain for saying "I wish there was more variety in modern webnovels."Readers don't know what they really want, but the power fantasy trend is the closest they're currently getting to it. Why is it controversial to hypothesize they might like something else
>>25315233when you complain about how everything is le hecking bad what you actually want to say is>I can't get clout for reading any of this on /lit/literature is simply not for you
>>25315235We've been over this >>25313666
>>25315237and we'll go over it again as many times as it takes you don't like to read, faggotthis is all just an exercise in vanity for you
>>25315239You could have just said >>25315216 to answer my original question, I would have replied "well that sucks," and we could have both left it at that. But because you think it's a personal attack on your central ideals, you have to defend it like your life's on the line. Someone disagreeing with you HAS to be just as shallow as you, there's NO other possibility.Whatever nigga, neither of us are gonna change our mind, so why keep typing? *shrug*
>>25315223>reincarnation chinkshitYawn.
>>25315211>Does it sell anything other than apples?Did you know that cabbages, broccoli, cauliflower, kale, brussel sprouts, and kohlrabi are all the same plant? They've just been cultivated to enhance a different aspect of the plant. You don't treat them the same when you see them at the supermarket though, because they aren't. Furthermore you can prepare these in a variety of ways.
>>25315267>Brassomancy: Max-Level Cabbage Mage!>follow an OP femmc as she studies the six schools of brassomancy and cultivates a magical garden teeming with brassica, defeating pesky pests in the process
>>25315267awesome. this metaphor is grand enough to cover all six genres of all literature ever
>>25314806Very confident.
>>25315278go on then
>>25315266Better than isekai japslop
>>25315280You go on. Read my webnovel.
>>25315284post it and i will
>>25315282isekai koreaslop*
>>25315285already did. In this thread.
>>25315223on a scale of 5 to 10 (with 1 being gay trannies) how pozzed will it be
>>25315299followed for chapter titles alone, I'll read when I have timewhat kind of action are we talking about anon
>>25315223Is the synopsis supposed to be English?
>>25315308>the main character fights a car in chapter 2>he gets chased by elves in chapter 3>a penguin genocide in chapter 13>a flamethrower vs Snow Witch battle in chapter 14>the Ghost of Christmas Past gets her shit pushed in in chapter 19 and 21>either this week or next week there's going to be a gingerbread man holocaustbut the big action scene is the apocalypse
Why'd that one anon post their honeyfeed story and then not upload more chapters
>cocopi is braziliandropped
>>253153000 because CCP>>25315316Yes it's describing describing the power system of the world he transmigrated into where the irl mythological bestiary "Classic of Mountains and Seas" is actually real.
>>25315327>Classic of Mountains and Seas>Early versions of the text may have existed since the 4th century BCEwtf? chinks had webnovels this early?
>>25315325Reported for racism
>>25315329Wait till you learn about Huangdi, who is credited with inventing tons of stuff and creating much of what we think of as Chinese culture, also had multiple wives and ruled for a century. Suspiciously sounds like someone that got transmigrated.
>>25315318i thought this was a cosy slice of life affair with igloos and hot chocolatewhy are they being genocided
>>25315340because you wanted action
I still like harems... idk why everyone's moralfagging with their writing nowadays when this genre was a self-indulgent power fantasy with substance as an afterthought.
>>25315350Harem predates powerslop.
>>25315353Harem is powerslop of a different flavor
>>25315346i thought you meant... y'know...keeping the igloo cosy with ms. claus...too many naughty kids this year so mr and ms claus are all out of coal... oh no... guess they have to huddle up and... stay warm... ALL winter... ouughh how awful...
What are the top-dogs of haremlit? Western preferably.
>>25314806I'm confident, just not consistent as doing them regularly and without being repetitive. How does this action benefit the story? How can the MC learn from it and apply new things? How does it move the story forward, what haven't I done already that's still plausible?
>>25315377>How does this action benefit the story? How can the MC learn from it and apply new things? How does it move the story forward, what haven't I done already that's still plausible?shut upshut up foreverwrite what the heart demands
read RI, it’s peak.
>>25315380my heart demands I don't retread the same beats however...
>>25315386and yet your heart will retread the same beat billions of times over in your lifetime, you think it fusses over a few familiar comforts?
>>25315358Powerfantasy without harem is like eating an egg sandwich with no eggs
>>25314175The only dwarf story I could stomach was Dwarven Core.Even then, it's only up to chapter twenty or so.
>>25314277What do you mean is it actually true?Like IRL or in fiction?I ask if it's IRL because you sounds like you can't even imagine it in fiction, which is really fucking weird.
>>25314311Yes, it's a good romance dynamic.Shouldn't there be an angel x demon story like that?
REFINE HEAVENS
>>25315327his previous works are all turbowoke albiet
why don't korean authors just directly publish to kindle instead of getting jewed by their oligopolic platforms that treat them like shit
>>25314346I used chatGPT to generate the covers initially, then used manus.im to teach it about the world as a research project to refine the prompt. It nailed the main cover, though the ship design still isn't quite now I envision it, though it works.The titles are not generated by AI, rather that is done with software made exclusive to that purpose.Crystalreach is the worst cover by the lot, as manus insisted on applying ChatGPTs painterly style as a texture to the whole thing. It needs to be redone. Manus has a monthly credit limit, so I'll have to wait.
>>25315503the audience and ecosystem isnt there. they wouldn't get readerswestern authors are very lucky their scene developed how it did, it is truly unique and extremely weighted to the author's favor, which has has almost never been the case for authors anywhere in the world at any time in history
>>25315300RI/10 (so gay trannies)
>>25313460well duh you don't pitch it as a novella anthologyyou write it continuously and only separate it in the volumes sectionit would devour cover art like nobody's business but AI
So I'm working on some different POV chapters and I wanted some opinions. I'm covering a few different characters, each getting two chapters. What do you guys think flows better?>Each character gets both chapters one after another>Each character gets their first chapters, then after all get their first they get their second chapter>Each character gets their part in chronological order, which means some characters get their chapters immediately another while others have to wait a few chapters for conclusionsI like all three and none stand out individually enough to be sure which to go with.
>>25315656I would go chronological. Might actually be easier on the reader if some characters get held back a bit so they have time to acclimate to the first ones.
>>25315656I wouldn't include multiple different POVs one after another in the first place.
>>25315756I had just finished a particularly large first act (over 130k words) and wanted a sort of break from the lead to focus on what the other characters were doing and to give a proper look in their heads and set up a smoother transition into the next act. Would it really be that big of a deal?
>>2531576090% that I as a reader would skip all of thatbut your readers are probably self editing and skimming all the time. if they're committed to have read that much a little diversion isn't going to matter to themsome people might really appreciate it
>>25315656well I did something where each character had a character arc that consisted of three chapters. One chapter introduced them, the second chapter sort of explored their character and their personal conflict, and the third chapter resolved their character arc. The way I plotted things, these chapters were not one, two, three, right next to each other, but the character would disappear for several chapters and then reappear later. So all their arcs would resolve at the climax of the overreaching plot. I thought this would make the events seem natural and blend all the characters together, but what really happened is readers would ask "what happened to this character?" and when that character would come back they would be confused.
>>25315634Yes, it's been done. And no, no one cares.
>>25315413I always find it funny when somebody says that harems are unrealistic, that women wouldn't throw themselves at a man. If you look at rockstars you see exactly that scenario play out. The OP MC is even beyond rock stars when it comes to power and prestige - women should be throwing themselves at him.
>>25315802Regular women would throw themselves at himThe beautiful silver haired dragon-blood noble sword saintess who has been trained since birth to slay the demon king and started the story stronger than him might also want OP MC but she would expect it to be monogamous.Instead haremlit MCs have eight women like that willing to share him.
It's pride month so I will only read yuri harem novels
>just finished the day's chapter>it's absolutely fire and ends on like a three-way cliffhangerAhhh, now I can fritter the rest of the day away knowing I was productive.
>>25315656I get a lot of negative feedback about alternate POVs, but the people giving that feedback just hate those characters (I did too good a job of portraying them as vile/annoying) (even though it's part of their character arcs).That said that feedback is less than 1% of total readers, and I get some positive comments too.If you know what you're doing with the POVs, as in you can explain what they add to the story and why removing them would damage the narrative, then you just have to tough out any negative feedback and put them in anyway. I'm sure readers would have bitched about the torture scenes in the Red Rising series if it had been serially published, but they're important to the narrative, so readers just have to deal.
>>25315817Bro we have all the leaks and released files now, we know that's simply not true. Even the tip top tier of women ALSO throw themselves into chad's harem of situationships willingly. They like it. It's just part of the female condition.Also it's fiction so authors can write whatever the hell they like, as long as its entertaining. And having a harem of the best, most powerful and hottest women is entertaining. Nobody cares what complainer readers think.
>>25316031I basically hit a narrative "nadir" with the lead and he needs some time to cook on the aftermath and it's not only a great time to get some other plot threads rolling, but also give the other characters (Who aren't at all minor, they all are referenced and interact with the lead frequently) a bit of a chance to demonstrate their own agency.As much as I believe protagonists are agents of change, it's also good to show what changes have already been made by them with introducing the kinds of decisions characters now make thanks to them.
>>25316040Then yeah you're fine. Just be prepared for dopamine addicts with low impulse control to comment saying wtf I want to read the main character kicking ass and now it's other people wtf wtf. You can safely ignore them unless your follower count drops by half or some shit (nearly impossible).
>>25316042Lol none of my readers comment anyway so I'll be fine. If they wanted to be constructive they've had over a hundred thousand words' worth of opportunities!
>>25315350>I still like harems... idk why everyone's moralfagging with their writing nowadays when this genre was a self-indulgent power fantasy with substance as an afterthought.While looking for works to add to my backlog, I found a hypnorape harem fantasy that ends with the author saying>I wanted to write a hypnotic water [sic] with a mild taste rather than a villain.which you just reminded me of.Even the hypnorape harem fantasy writers are starting to harp on about morals.>>25315358>Harem is powerslop of a different flavorEh, early harem works were courtly dramas and the modern genre evolved out of farces and *generally* remains true to that spirit outside of certain writing traditions. Not saying there aren't power fantasy harems, there are plenty, but it's not a core feature of the genre. Most harem leads run themselves ragged either pursuing or dealing with romantic intentions.
>>25315429By actually true I meant whether hedgehogs in reality really cannot mate without hurting each other.Story and fiction wise, I love this kind of romance.
>>25315996With or without ts?
>>25314277https://www.wildlifeonline.me.uk/animals/article/european-hedgehog-breeding-biology-mating-gestationtldr: They can mate safely, the female flattens the quills on their backs and the males have their dicks further up their body so they don't have to completely climb on top of the female.
>>25315656at least 1 normal chapter between each POV chapter. recently read a series surrounding a party and some of the most exhausting shit I had to read was author swapping off the MC to cycle through 4 other POVs
>>25316162I think you are mixing up harem, a group of women who are openly and consensually in a shared relationship with a patriarch, with romance dramas or soap operas which involve elaborate schemes and deception to undercut rivals. Harem doesn't just mean "a guy gets with a bunch of women," it's a mutual, communal agreement among multiple women to share a dude
>>25316205I think you're mixing up the harem *genre* with works involving harems.Up until recently most works in the harem *genre* did not involve harems and I wouldn't even be comfortable saying that threshold has definitely been crossed yet.Also, to be clear, even the ones that do involve harems can still be farces with haggard protagonists. A LOT are.
>>25316205>>25316219Also harem doesn't mean patriarch. Yuri harems and revere harems are a thing. Fucking casual.
>>25316205>it's a mutual, communal agreement among multiple women to share a dudeWith this sort of attitude, you'll never be the legal wife.
In animus harem just meant a lot of girls like the MC but he was usually a dense baka who wasn't aware of their feelings or was indecisive about dating one and never got with any of them.It's only when isekai started taking off did we see jap protags that had actual harems where he was banging the girls.
>>25316225>It's only when isekai started taking off did we see jap protags that had actual harems where he was banging the girls.Actually that goes back to Tenchi in the 90s. But it's definitely gotten a lot more common with isekai.
>>25316234>TenshiThat doesn't happen until the later ovas that were released decades afterwards when isekai was already a thing.
>>25316220Ffs.>>25316219Examples of this?
>slave over three chapters for weeks trying to make them perfect>start chapter 4>realise I could cut everything before it, have the story start on chapter 4 and lose very littleHoly fuck I actually want to die
>>25316289an important learning momentthe next time you start wrenching your writing and agonizing over it remember this and put down whatever words
>>25316289This is why we outline
>>25316289>>25316297
>>25316297You don't even really have to outline that much either. Just know where an arc starts and where it ends, then you fill in the rest.
>>25316318Also true
>>25316297>>25316307but the outline was what caused the three-chapter sprawl in the first placeit was meant to all be one chapter but as I started writing I got carried away and wrote lots and lots and lots and lots and then each of those beats became scenesthen I realised that one of the later beats can just be the first scene
>>25316289You're writing a webnovel. Unless something actively harms the work, you don't need to trim the fat, and really shouldn't.
>>25316278>Examples of this?I'm currently reading one called Fated to be Loved by Villains. It's about a dude trying to win the hearts of a bunch of women that are varying levels of violent, emotionally unstable, or yandere, and a bunch of whom are possessed by potentially world ending demons.As a side effect of them turning into omnicidal monsters with superpowers if their emotions go out of control, he has to constantly gaslight them all about his constant cheating while he tries to survive long enough to get them into states where they're less likely to kill him and/or everyone else and while he tries to get another woman in love with him enough power ups to keep them in check. The dude has been killed multiple times and has passed out from exhaustion just running around doing prep work. It is by no means a power fantasy. The dude's weak as shit compared to the women around him and generally has to burn one off emergency tools or use the people around him to survive on top of counting on his ability that gives him a power up when he's in mortal danger.Also, one of the women is a hard masochist always wearing a leash that he had to wear a gimp mask around because her seeing his face would cause her yandere demon to go out of control to the point where she would kidnap him, so whenever she would unexpected pop up he'd have to either hide his face or quick change much to the bafflement of everyone else around him.
>>25316369lmaoI love learning about other people's fringe reading nichescrazy work. would you recommend it?
>>25316289in fact you can always cut the previous chapters, there are no necessary chapters
>>25316499>the most necessary story is a blank pagebros? what does it mean?
>writing>pause to think and lean back in chair>repeat ad nauseam>chair starts squeaking loud as fuck>painstakingly disassemble it and lube it up>squeaking stops>two days later, chair starts tilting way the fuck back leftwards diagonally>when locked, it instead tilts back rightwards diagonally if i really lean back on the backrest>painstakingly disassemble the thing again>a metal o ring was for some reason used around the pivot rod, which slipped out and now just hung off of the pivot rod>the pivot rod is a flat rivet face on one end, and hammered flat on the other, hence it can't be removed without destroying it>pressing the o-ring back into place is pointless because it will just slip out again
>>25316550a replacement mechanism is in that annoying realm of not cheap and not expensiveand the dimensions i need are sold out almost everywhere reee
>>25316550You're yak shaving, anon. Use a different chair and worry about replacements after you finish your writing quota.
>>25316570What you responded to isn't what you described.
>>25316532there is no necessary story
>>25316575He needs to replace a part in his chair so he can focus so he can write. There's multiple intermediary steps towards his actual goal of just writing.
>>25316570the chair works, i can write without swinging on my chair, but it irritates me that it hasn't lasted even a year before having issues when my previous cheap piece of shit lasted half a decadei'm trying to decide between spilling the money for a replacement mechanism or just gluing the retaining rod in place so it doesn't slip out (not the pivot rod, but the rod with the paddle that prevents the chair from swinging back when pushed in)it's just all around irritating
>>25316570>yak shavingso that's what this is calledhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbSehcT19u0
Every time I get a comment from this animal I want to start killing people.
>>25316588I got one from this cunt too.It's just a bot. Report it.
>>25316588I don't understand why every website is flooded with this shit now, it's 99% of comments on ff.net
>>25316583>go on local stores>all chair mechanics are 100+ because it's shit like dxracer>and they don't fit my dimensions either>go on aliexpress>dig>dig>dig>dig>finally find one that fits>price: 7$>shipping 20$pepegaordered itbet money this pot metal will be the same quality as, if not better quality than, the original mechanics of my 400$ chair
>>25316590SEAmonkey and Jeet scammers setting up OpenClaw bots
>>25316590perhaps AI was a mistake
>>25316596but what's the scam what does it actually achieve
>>25316589I reported him once and he came back with a new account. I just delete his comments whenever they show up. This is the tenth new account he's made. Always on my first chapter. Honestly if comments did anything for metrics I wouldn't care.
>>25316598they try to get people to pay them for "commissions" of AIgen/stolen shit
>>25316601I feel anyone writing is smart enough and horny enough to have figured out AI themselves
>>25316374>would you recommend it?Absolutely yes. Funniest arc so far is the MC getting amnesia (sorta, technically he got himself possessed by a spiritual monster that couldn't copy his memories because reasons) and upon learning how he's been treating the women around him (with some lies mixed in from some of the women trying to get him to fuck them) without getting context on the potentially world ending demons, he tries to kill himself out of shame, to the shock of a character that thought he was a shameless bastard the entire time.That or when he pissed off a berserker to have her kill Cthulhu to get to him.
>>25316550>take a week off and visit family>cousin got a new office chair and his old one is on the curb with a free sign>it's a herman miller aeron with torn up armrests but the rest is perfectly fine>snag that shit>fuck it's heavy>set it up at homeBro it's so fucking good. I can't countenance paying full price for one but DAMN it's so much more comfortable than my busted old, leaning staples poorfag chair from five years ago.I'm gonna find some cheap replacements or buy some thick wool socks to pull over the armrests so the broken pleather stops stabbing my wrists and then it'll be perfect.
>>25316603It's for the real lazy types thinking they're getting comic deals. A few of them also try to yoink licenses off of you.
>>25316580>>25316575Actually, yeah anon you're right. My bad, sorry fren.
>>25316624It's still dumb as hell because it takes a few seconds of searching to find legitimate companies from that part of the world like Felico or Black Bam
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