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read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess by cocopi
it's peak

Weird question, but has a western webnovel garnered fanfiction? I know webnovels are niche on their own, but which ones got popular just barely for people to make fanfiction about one? Especially a crossover fanfic?
It's honestly my biggest thing besides making money is someone else to make a fanfic about my story.

>>25348537
a few have
Worm mostly

>>25348537
mla has a popular frieren/mla one

I took 400 mg of caffeine just like one of you jokers suggested but when does this shit actually wear off I've been awake for 24 hours and don't feel tired at all

At least I got 4k words down I guess

>>25348537
Like you said, webnovels are still too niche in the west to be popular enough to have a thriving fanfiction scene. It's far, far more common for a popular webnovel to *be* fanfiction.

>>25348634
Nobody recommended it, they said take drink coffee at your peril and you will pay for etc

>>25348634
I wish I was this sensitive to caffeine

>>25348669
alas i've been drinking coffee constantly since age 14 and have thus permanently fried my receptors so it just makes me "not tired"

>>25348634
First time ever touching the stuff? It'll wind down within the day, but have some spinach or brown rice and that'll help push it out of your system faster.

Oh and citrussy drinks to flush your kidneys.

>>25348537
stray cat strut has some

WN's with sex scenes, yea or nay?

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>>25348732

>>25348537
>Weird question, but has a western webnovel garnered fanfiction?
"Technically" Fifty Shades of Grey was a Twilight fanfiction webnovel that was partially rewritten to remove references to Twilight, and 50 Shades has plenty of fanficiton.

Also, there's the derivative works of the omegaverse concept. If you don't know what the omegaverse is, you do not want to know what the omegaverse is.

>>25348737
I don't make a habit of inviting mom and dad over to spectate my reading session.

>>25348426
I'm surprised RR hasn't chipped in on visual novels.
You'd think it would be natural expansion.

>>25348774
Nobody plays visual novels. Even nobody-er than nobody reads reg novels.

>>25348774
My VN is in devhell due to lack of assets. Perhaps one day.

>>25348774
Western VNs are all post ironic Reddit shit because normalfags think all VNs are eroge and don't want to be associated with it.

>>25348774
VNs having branching paths which are a chore to make. Art is also a pain, I don't mind using ai to make a RR cover since it's the norm there now but using ai art for a VN is a whole other level.
Then you're left with the reality that the vast majority of succesful VNs (even ignoring money) are porn.

>>25348827
>VNs having branching paths which are a chore to make.
some VNs have branching past, surpring amount of VNs are "kinetic novels", meaning they have no choices

>>25348245
>>25348244
>Male lead
I will now read your story

>Moid loid
Oid woid noid roid yoid stoid

Interested in doing a web novel side project, just depends on one thing.
Are web novels traditionally written similar to Japanese ones? Where they're heavier on dialogue and often light on descriptions (ie, in Japanese LNs you can go for a whole page without a single description)?

>>25348928
Yes actually

>>25348928
Very much, yeah.

>>25348910
what is wrong female leads?

>>25349007
They're shit.

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>>25348638
I recommended it.
>wrote 4k
Yeah I was correct, caffeine = productivity.

That said I am currently in a detox cycle from caffeine. I was massively overdosing due to travel and visiting family as an introvert (so I didn't even get any wordcount out of it), and I'm borderline in a fugue state while my neurons decompress and detoxify. It kinda sucks to be honest since I have no motivation to do anything I'd normally want to do while I'm not writing, like play vidya or even watch any animu or read much. I just kind of stare into space. Although today (day 2) I did start daydreaming about my story and upcoming scenes again so the recovery/detox cycle is going well and I expect to resume writing regularly next week, hopefully keeping my daily intake closer to 200mg than 600mg (last week I was up to almost 1000mg; I blame my introversion and overlypacked schedule).

>>25348842
It's not really a surprising amount. If anything kinetic novels are unreasonably uncommon.

Look at it this way, kinetic novels are literally just electronic illustrated books, whereas visual novels are literally just electronic illustrated gamebooks.

The ratio of books to gamebooks doesn't make any sense when you compare them with printed works. Or even non-illustrated works electronic works.

Honestly I feel like the entertainment industry's in a weird place where marketing difficulties dictate what's getting made more than actual reader/player appetite. Tons of visual novels have meaningless or entirely unappealing choices just to say they have them and a lot of walking sims and interactive films should have just been short films or audiobooks.

Not everything needs to be a fucking game.

>>25348826
>Western VNs are all post ironic Reddit shit
I blame Scott Pilgrim.

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Woah the ad is going places now yipee

Would you advertise your wn on /lit/?

>>25349085
I've actually considered it. Still am. I see ads for anon's webnovel here and there when I'm browsing on my phone at work, like that heaven one with the athletic woman and of course the infamous call of the croc one, for like forever.

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>>25349036
>Tons of visual novels have meaningless or entirely unappealing choices just to say they have them
Seems like a western/English problem. I never hear /jp/ make that kind of complaint.

>>25349039
>a twenty year old comic is why western VNs are bad now
Huh? Like yeah it was mildly influential and maintains a strong (though niche) fanbase but I don't think there's any direct connection between Scott Pilgrim and what you're seeing in western VNs.
Although honestly I don't even know what the big western VNs of the last five years other than maybe snoot game from /v/? And I think the game they were satirizing/plagiarizing was a flop and shitty even from a literary perspective and I don't think there was any throughline from Scott Pilgrim to that (Volcano High, I think?).

>>25348826
>he doesn't read multi-route mystery VNs
LOL
What's worse is >>>/vg/vn/ believes that Japan invented the "mystery" genre.

Does english lirpg reading base consist of any americans? I really don't like how they count burgers per feet and so on, I use metric system.

>browse RoyalRoad
>saw a story with a cool cover
>realize something about one of the characters in the cover
>zoom in
>one of the characters in the cover look exactly like how i'd imagine my own MC
>it's even better because it is actually commissioned art
Gonna have to change how my MC looks now... Oh well, the story I read so far is actually pretty good. At least I know someone else has good taste and writes well.
Still sad I have to change up how my character looks.
Time to go back to prompting lab.
One of these days, I'll commission character art.

>>25349137
I feel like you bother too much. Noone would care, and you shouldn't too.

>>25349085
I put my novel cover as the OP image in one of these threads, I didn't notice any difference in views

>>25349077
I wonder why you're not getting many follows. I have half those numbers and I got triple the number of followers.

>>25349137
>Time to go back to prompting lab.
Swing by the MAID lab first please.

>>25349085
I've posted links to it before. There was no significant turnover from /lit/ specifically but a surprising number are from Google searches, and given the specificity of my work I'm pretty sure it was someone intentionally looking it up from maybe /lit/.

>>25349030
Anon, caffeine poisoning starts at 300, unless you mean 600/1000 over the day. At 400 in your system you should be getting massive shits and immense nausea.

What was the verdict on adblockers preventing new views? Is my one (1!) view even visible for you fags?

>>25349125
It's mostly Americans

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>>25349196
I'm not a 68-lb woman anon. 300mg is not that much: less than two big cups of coffee and basically just two white monsters. Yes I had 600-700mg of caffeine in my system at once for several hours, maintained by continuing to consume large amounts of soda and energy drinks.

I didn't get any of the symptoms I just looked up on medline. My tolerance was probably crazy from the last four months of daily 400-600mg caffeine intake while writing. The biggest problem is that with that much caffeine in my system it was massively interfering with my REM sleep so I was sleep deprived even when getting 8+ hours of sleep.

Writers in /wng/ who normally stay under 50mg per day will probably see excellent results for writing from just one energy drink consumed while writing, with best/healthiest results from doing that first thing in the morning so that caffeine levels can drop throughout the day and interfere less with sleep.

>play bideo gaem
>think of mid-battle level-ups as "breakthroughs"
oh boy

>>25349017
why?

>>25349085
I don't think it counts as advertisement, but I asked anons a few times if they'd be interested in reading it.
I want to avoid shilling like fire. It feels dirty. At the same time, I want someone who might enjoy my thing to know that it exists.

I wonder if there is a happy medium between occasionally informing potential readers about things they might enjoy, and shameless shillposting.

>>25349242
You don't make breakthroughs in the middle of combat you larper.

>>25349196
Caffeine poisoning starts at 300mg in the same sense that alcohol poisoning starts at your first sip
The 400mg limit is from the same people that tell you you should never drink more than 2 standard drinks a day, it only exists as a CYA or to hike up insurance prices
I can tell you've never worked an office job, tons of people drink 5+ cups of coffee a day, and that's when it's not busy. When it gets busy or stressful most people drink 10+
I myself during exam week at college averaged 15-20 cups. At that point it does start to feel like shit but I've never noticed any side effects aside from acid reflux and your heart racing at under 10 cups
>Inb4 how do I know the exact numbers
I'm estimating obviously

>>25349257
Shout out swaps with authors who write similar stuff is the best way to do this. Unfortunately the discord shout out swap spammers are ruining this.

>>25349257
The main thing is staying in your lane.
/wng/ is for discussion, and if you want to open yourself up to discussion here that's fine. Use of a tripcode is a good idea both to avoid impersonation and so people who don't want to see your posts can filter them.
But /wng/ is not a place for shilling or advertising, despite what some fucking autistic spammers think. Advertising needs to stay in the realm of advertising: buying ads, doing shoutout swaps, and so on. And you should be advertising. Everyone should be advertising as much as they can, because that really is how you get readers. Word of mouth happens, sure, but ads are very effective.

Of course advertising efficacy is dependent on identifying your target audience and where they are and how to appeal to them. /wng/ has eclectic taste and /lit/ broadly isn't big on web novels outside this general anyway so I personally wouldn't bother advertising on 4chan. But my ads on RR have done well.

>>25349276
I don't think advertising for a free story not intended to make money to begin with is economical.
>I can tell you've never worked an office job
I worked an office job and cups of coffee are very, very weak. On the flip side, they also have no sugar unless you add it, so you do not get a sugar crash that saps energy.

I don't think most people in offices even need coffee. They just drink it because there's nothing better to do.

>>25349271
Read more -xia.

>>25349281
>I can tell you've never worked an office job
Meant to quote >>25349272 but I'm stupid.

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>>25349281
>I don't think advertising for a free story not intended to make money to begin with is economical.
Obviously, which leads to interrogation of the purpose of the piece of literature being created. If it's to make money, advertising should be done. If it's for awards, networking and submission to contests should be done. If it's for self expression, it should simply be hosted on blogspot or substack and brought up only when relevant to a conversation.

The assumption of my post OBVIOUSLY was that the story was being written as a business, which is how most RR/Amazon stories are done. Else why even bother talk about feeling bad about "shilling" it in /wng/?

"""Artists""" need to get their heads out of the clouds. "It's just for me, but I want readers, but it's not for money, but I need people to read it and validate me, but but but but..." These people are in love with the idea of being an author, but uninterested in doing author-shit. Half of them don't even write. It's disgusting.

>>25349304
>Else why even bother talk about feeling bad about "shilling" it in /wng/?
Because I technically collect donations and I don't want to be the RIspammer but unironic.

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>>25349304
If there was a future where I could end up Steve Jobs, I'd pay good money to avoid it.

>>25349316
You're not cool/productive enough, don't worry.

>>25349315
If you're just posting about it to converse about it, then you're fine.
If you're posting it to try to get more donations, then you're not fine.
It's not that complicated. Do use a tripcode for the reasons I said above though.

>>25349304
Your tone is kind of faggy but you're right
The "I just want a few readers" guys so indigenous

>>25349335
fucking autocorrect

>>25349335
I want a few readers. But I want them to be rich so they'll whale on my Patreon.

>>25349335
Anyone want to read my winnie? Heyahoyaheyahoyaheyahoya

It is a passion project. The only reason I wrote it is so that i could share it with others. Even one person reading it means a lot to me. I'm gay. I have no intention of making money from it. When I finish it I will leave it for free for everyone to read. I have an emotional connection to my work so I feel bad when you say mean things about it. I want us all to get along.

>>25349335
>tone
Yeah I let the demons out a little. This is why I can only post on 4chan.

Is there such thing as "format" for RR and so on? Like, you should write those popular genres: rpg, xianxia, whatever else, and your MC should do that, that and that and follow those tropes and so on. You get the idea. I've read so far everything that's popular and somewhat get the idea, but I feel like some insight and guidance wouldn't hurt.

>>25349418
RR started as a fan site that hosted a translation of the Korean web novel "Legendary Moonlight Sculptor". The name is taken from the VRMMO in the story, "Royal Road". Later on it became host to a lot of fanfics that used the same kind of tropes like leveling up and systems. Then this lead to original litrpg stories dominating.
The site and the audience is massively biased towards litrpg/systems, progression/cultivation, regression/time-loops, isekai/transmigration etc.
You pretty much have to use at least one of those elements in addition to tags like action, adventure, fantasy etc to even hope to appear on the front page. There are stories tagged only horror or whatever that have readership but they never appear on the front page.
If you hate systems and rpg stats, progression paired with fantasy, adventure, kingdom building or some other options are your best bet. You can also just throw in isekai or regression at the start of the story just to have the tag and never bring it up again.

>>25349425
>throw in isekai or regression at the start of the story just to have the tag and never bring it up again.
Don't do this, you will get called out if you ever get readers.

>>25349425
I really wish there was a western equivalent of Shyousetsu so nobody would be fucking railroaded into writing samey slop all the time.

>>25349439
Syosetu is even more pigeonholed into isekai than RR is into litrpg and progression.
It's all isekai into comfy farm life (with a cheat skill), isekai but my party betrayed me time for revenge (with a cheat skill), isekai'd as as XYZ creature (with a cheat skill)
What you probably meant was a place to post the same kind of stuff you see in western tradpub. That exists, it's called wattpad and it's all romance for teen girls just like tradpub.

>>25349453
I meant more like a place that doesn't have an "audience" but instead fluctuating gay and retarded fads like isekaishit.

>>25349461
>fad
Basedetsu has been dominated by isekai since 2012. That's the year the SAO anime aired and Mushoku Tensei, Overlord and Konusuba all started getting serialized. It was terminal at that point.

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>>25349104
>Seems like a western/English problem
No, I was thinking of Japanese VNs when I said that. Especially "bad ending" choices.

It might be more of an issue with hentai VNs though. A lot of them have the only choices be vaginal or anal or inside or out or which order do you want scenes to play out in. Shit like that. Like, bitch, this could have been a kinetic novel. At this point I'm convinced they only do that shit to avoid the kinetic novel label cause those sell worse or something. The worst offenders will literally only have a single choice at the ending scene where you get one extra scene with one girl of your choosing.

Prize for most creative non-choices and most non-choices goes to We Love Master!, a VN that had 4 different endings, all of them harem endings, all of them with the same chicks, determined by 3 different choices set-up as 1 that splits the common route and 1 at the end of each branch to pick an ending. The other 15 or so choices in a particular route are for meaningless scene variance. Hell, the whole fucking game is basically meaningless scene variance since you start and end up at basically the same place no matter what.

But fuck that shit was funny. MC straps his harem with fake bomb collars to get them to fuck him.

>>25349125
American cultural dominance is such that even when shit isn't written by Americans, it will be written for Americans.

I've been reading shit a few times and all the spelling will be American English, but Britishisms like torch will slip in. Also, there will be various obvious cultural irregularities that show the writer has literally never been to America. Always funny when that shit happens.

>>25349418
I don't write any of those things and just do my own thing. That also means I nonexistant readerbase, but it's starting to pick up very slowly, at a snail's pace.

What are gu?

>>25349522
>What are gu?
A parasite infection that causes delusions of grandeur.

>>25349522
Cool power system trapped in an a homoerotic story.

>>25349525
Why doesn't someone just write an actual good story featuring gu, then?

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>>25349525
>Cool power system trapped in an a homoerotic story.
Many such cases

>>25348426
I think I finally got the style people expect from WNs.

>single sentence paragraph
>empty line
>dialogue
>empty line
>single sentence paragraph
>empty line
>sound effect
>repeat
A paragraph can have a maximum of 2 sentences; otherwise, zoomers lose attention.

And here I was writing 4 sentences paragraphs like a dumbass.

Maybe VNs are not for me. This sort of approach feels like fast food. I want to actually smell the texture in writing.

>>25349547
wrong
retard

>>25349547
maybe you shouldn't've read trash
dumb retard

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genuine question, when I'm writing my scenes, it feels like I take way too long to finish 'mini arcs' or segments of the current arc of my story.

from the books I've read, they usually take about 5k - 7k words to get those done, but I take about 8-9k words.

do you guys all just really scrap out those extra word count in editing to keep the story's pace better?

I know webnovels are much more lenient with meandering around but how did your readers respond to what you felt like 'bloat' in your chapters?

Enough talk about caffeine for writing productivity, let's talk about a better stimulant: nicotine. I can concentrate a lot better after smoking a ciggy. I tried vaping and nicotine gum but it's just not as strong as cigarettes and imo less pleasurable. Nicotine gum also feels really weird in your mouth

>>25349573
Cigarettes ruin your body and kill you. Coffee doesn't.

>>25349573
For me it's Ashwagandha. If I'm feeling it maybe I'll take an edible, and/or hit the bottle a little too hard.

>>25349555
>>25349568
example
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/158957/another-world-building-an-empire-from-zerokingdom/chapter/3187422/1when-the-gates-open-we-charge
and itself pretty succesful with avg of 709 views

>>25349588
m8, that's LLM slop

>>25349588
Where are you even finding this shit

>>25349589
it's flagged as such, and I feel like LLM would be more coherent
>>25349596
latest update

I feel like the current crop on rising stars is pretty trash (compared to usual)
Though I did see Pancakes Witch is doing an Archmage story which is amusing.

>someone quotes a gigantic paragraph for a 2-letter edit suggestion and it's not even a necessary correction
Don't enable this crap. Just don't. I'd sooner take bots offering art commissions and audiobook deals than this retarded spam

>>25349644
>>someone quotes a gigantic paragraph
Blame RR for that. It seems to be a weird UI bug that automatically overrides what you actually try and select.

>>25349731
I blame RR for a lot of things

>>25349769
It's the jews for me, personally.

>>25349588
Son, it's an edited ai.

>>25349814
Well, I mean. They are Jews. RoyalRoad is an Israeli website.

They don't sell or steal shit tho. Something's not adding up.

>>25349835
RR is run by the subversive type of Jews, not the financially savvy kind.

>>25349825
did they edit to be worse?

>>25349588
>avg of 709 views
>succesful

>>25349848
I have 40 so, yeah

>>25349851
Those are all my crawlers views, sry kiddo.

>>25349851
But at least you aren't posting your story here. Wouldn't want to be associated with the evil chuds from 4chan and risk losing all your readers.

I've been considering posting my story to /cm/ since it's predominately about young boys.

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>>25349854
They probably are.
>>25349857
people here don't read

>>25349863
>people here don't read
?

>>25349866
prove me wrong

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>>25349867

people here don't read my stuff

>>25349883
post it, I'll read at least the first chapter

>>25349863
>people here don't read
There are no people here to begin with.

>>25349884
people here don't read my stuff for a good reason

>>25349888
Does your stuff exist?

>>25349889
Schrödinger's stuff

>>25349872
you give a lot low ratings

I want to use meters in my novel, not feet Is this even an option for RR?

>>25349908
You just write the word meters instead of feet

>>25349913
>He's 5 feet tall
becomes
>He's 5 meters tall

>>25349917
Much more imposing
Anyways you can literally just google the conversion for feet to meters

>>25349894
there is a lot of shit on royalroad

>>25349908
I've written stories using both and absolutely no one cares either way

>>25349919
>read shit
>whoa it's shit
>ruin the author's day
but why?

>>25349908
It should be mandatory, and it's a subtle method of teaching your moronic US readers the superior metric system.

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>>25349928
>read shit
I don't know whether it's shit or not before I read it, dumb retard.
>ruin the author's day
so?

>>25349908
Plenty of (trad) fantasy stories never describe a measurement system, days, months, money and so on. So why should you need to?

>>25349937
Even the densest retard should be able to tell what a story is like within the first chapter or two. Sharper can see it at the first paragraph, or already the synopsis, and not waste their time. Are you telling me you rate stories based on how they start? You're not just an idiot, but a hostile asshole too.

>>25349943
>Even the densest retard should be able to tell what a story is like within the first chapter or two. Sharper can see it at the first paragraph, or already the synopsis, and not waste their time.
wrong
>Are you telling me you rate stories based on how they start?
I only rate a story if I've read a decent chunk of it. If I drop a story within a couple of chapters, I don't rate it (unless it's really shit).
>You're not just an idiot, but a hostile asshole too.
you sound very hostile to me, dumb retard.

>>25349939
RPG has numbers and I want those bigmac double cheese baseball fat money. Just wondering whether or not it bothers people.

>>25349191
I will always read a chapter or two of everything posted in these threads (highlight > "search Google..."). So others probably do the same.

>>25349588
if that's pretty successful then I'm a superstar.

I'm at chapter V3: Chapter 3 of Apocalypse Reborn by SageOfEyes
when does it get good?

You know how there are ads on RR for other stories and books? And how writers promote stories of other writers? Out of the hundreds that I've seen that way I've only started reading one of them. They're all like feMC (or other passive protagonists) or like this one:
>Fortunately for David, the homestead already has a cabin. Sure, there are squatters, and he’s pretty sure there are wizards in this world, but he’s the only one with a massive 600 horsepower New Holland T9 Quadtrac tractor!
It's a funny idea that somebody gets isekai'd with a tractor, but I don't see how this story is going to remain interesting in the long-term. The funny stuff about the tractor isn't going to be engaging 100 chapters down the line anymore. The same goes for the "I reincarnated as a vending machine" stories.

>>25350117
>You know how there are ads on RR
lol of course not

Why is it that isekai, cultivation, and LitRPGs are the only successful genres on WN?

>>25350237
amateur authors don't have the skill to make other genres interesting

>>25350241
Is it that they don't have the skill, or is it because they aren't interesting people?

>>25350237
if you have the skill to write a real genre why would you ever go for a webnovel?

>>25350237
Harem is also very successful.

>>25350248
Money

>>25350248
Because people read there. Sometimes.

>>25350237
The more worldbuilding you can offload onto tropes, the less you have to bore your readers with worldbuilding, those genres have a lot of tropes, and shit set in the modern day isn't escapist enough.

Or put another way, those genres are "efficient" for both writers and readers.

>>25349335
funny typo
I think they're pretty sincere considering most passion/non-grifter writers are making one or two posts then just enjoying the hobby
seems low theory of mind to dismiss motivations as insincere because they differ from your own

>>25350237
Web serial fiction. What genres do you have in mind? I have heard this before and the thing is — you can put literally anything you want into said genres, it serves more as a cover. There are vampires with AIDS in The Wandering Inn.

>>25350237
I see a lot of complaints in this thread about impatient readers. I doubt the RR readerbase could handle a long over-arching narrative.

>>25350446
They can handle it but you have to hook them first, and there has to be a sense of momentum at least for a while. Which takes either skill, luck, or both.

>>25350446
Just have short form arc structure that leads up to a long drawn out arc.
Lots of stuff happening in the first 30~40 chapters and then you can choose to reward yourself with your gay little long arc that most people will inevitably hate aside from the two or so people that willingly choose to reread your slop.

>>25349872
Holy shit taste.
The kind of reader nobody wants to know about their story, Christ save us.

>>25350237
The medium lends itself towards those kind of genres
>>25350446
You're supposed to have an an over-arching narrative.
You're also supposed to have arcs that fit into the overarching narrative.

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25350532
Kill. Which you should do. To yourself.

>>25350531
>You're supposed to have an an over-arching narrative.
Unless you're writing slice of life.

>>25349872
I assumed you were a tradpub sperg but seeing as there are multiple poorly written stories that you've rated 5 stars, I can't even tell what your standards are
since there seems to be no correlation to quality or entertainment value, I assume the logic is
>minor plot/trope I don't like
>rage rating

>>25350589
I bet there is an unusually high percentage of femc stories with high ratings for inexplicable reasons.

>>25350612
Nah, feMC enjoyers are generally chill people, while those who give low ratings are usually "the story has a woman in a relevant role? 0.5 stars!"-spergs

>>25350612
I honestly don't understand that anon at all.
>Super supportive is low and Mother of Learning is high
Can kind of see what their taste is and then pow
>5 stars for The Villainess Is An SS+ Rank Adventurer
>>25350619
counterpoint: Horseshoe Theory

>>25350629
I haven't seen the fmc sperg that lays at the end of the horseshoe
they probably exist, I just haven't seen them. I bet they're mostly on discord. fmc seethers sperg out on 4ch while fmc fans speg out discord seems intuitively correct

>>25350630
Extreme Yang gives birth to Yin. Extreme Yin gives birth to Yang.
This junior has finally witnessed the boundary of fife and death.

>>25349872
Those ratings are genuinely schizo.

i take pride in knowing that i've contributed to the permabannings of two similar raters in the past
usually when they review they're giant spergs who don't actually have anything of substance to say and are just spilling spaghetti demanding the author to read their minds

>>25350630
That's called cognitive bias

>>25350679
if they got bans it was because they made malicious shit up, like saying there's pedophilia in a story when there actually isn't, you can't get banned for giving 0.5 stars to a story everyone else thinks is great

>>25350679
rating schizo gets a pass for giving fff a 0.5

>>25349928
Personally I just start every rating with 5 stars then remove half a star from my rating every time the author annoys me and add half a star every time the author impresses me or makes me laugh. Some never really do either. Some somehow do both. My average review is probably hovering around 3 or 2.5 stars for hundreds of stories.

>average review is probably hovering around 3 or 2.5 stars for hundreds of stories
this is how it should be btw, anyone who gives 5 to every story is the same kind of slime as anyone who gives 0.5 to every story, they just ruin the review system for anyone actually using it

>>25350702
>a subjective personal take is based on personal bias rather than strictly objective truth
...yes?

>>25350702
>>25350724
i think this was supposed to be perception bias

>shitty amateur passion project
5 stars
>soulless trend chasing market slop
0.5 stars
simple as

>>25350714
this is true
usually reviews get smacked for blatantly breaking review rules or giving a story a bad rating for a non-defensible reason {e.g. "this story gives off Hitler particles because it's about a country defending itself and its people}
accounts get banned due to repeated patterns of such reviews
there was this one notable sperg that keeps coming to mind but i can't remember his name

>>25350733
Name doesn't matter what was his spergouts like?

>>25350793
It's been a good five years since this specific guy, so I can't quite remember. Find your average retarded goodreads reviewer and make him 3-4 points out of 10 worse.
The most notable thing I remember is he would go on rants in comments about random shit and rewrite large sections of the chapters in suggest edits in his own dogshit style.

>>25350805
oh like Gompman was

My story is gonna be a fantasy trilogy epic that doesn't abide by the literary tropes of today!
Traditional publishing..? No, I want to post it on the site that hosts self-insert fanfiction and cultivation novels.

>>25350850
>No, I want to post it on the site that hosts self-insert fanfiction and cultivation novels.
holy based

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reborn in another galaxy as a gal mercenary when

>>25350903
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/106631/

I really hate having to write 50 variations of "he said" or "she said", do people think writing dialogue in a script style makes a story low quality?

>>25350850
>My story is gonna be a fantasy trilogy epic that doesn't abide by the literary tropes of today!
so a story that that would be completely detested by traditional publishers and completely unmarketable?
good choice. your only option is putting it up on the web

>>25350916
Most people reading WNs aren't autistic enough to care.
You can also just format dialogue like this if it's a simplistic conversation (ie, only two participants).
>"Meaningless filler dialogue." John said [insert descriptor if woman].
>"But of course." Jane said [ditto].
>"Continued exchange."
>"Continued exchange but obviously from Jane based on existing dialogue clues and consistent formatting."

>>25350850
Fantasy epics can get some decent momentum on RR. The Last Human's not exactly in the top 1000 I think but the author's posted some metrics that show it's working well.

>>25350920
Typically most people who believe this are actually writing very tropey works.

>>25350916
as in you hate arbitrarily varying your tags?
dialogue tags are invisible to readers unless you're exceptionally awful with them. don't get in your head about it
you should basically only use dialogue tags for clarity or if you think it adds interesting texture to what's being said. if it's obvious who is speaking, just omit it

>>25350916
>do people think writing dialogue in a script style makes a story low quality?
Doesn't matter what people think. It does. Don't do that.

I just fought gdocs for half an hour trying to figure out why my quotations marks were slightly bend " '. There was an option to disable this auto transform.

>>25349007
1. They're boring. It's about a 50-50 if a male lead is passive. That rate is much higher for female leads.
2. Female leads also have either no interests or 'quirky' interests.
3. Finally, I can't read a story that has romance with a female lead, because I don't want to read about lusting after men (reading about how "awesomely veiny" some guy's arms are makes me stop reading).

Female lead stories also have this tendency to make almost the entire cast women. There's nothing wrong with that, but it sticks out to me from time to time, especially when all the male characters seem to be incompetent, annoying or evil.

>>25350962
the first two points are only true in the case of tradpub fantasy
the vast majority of fmc stories in webnovels are quirky or deranged to the point of being absurd caricatures

>>25350733
>”this story gives off Hitler particles because it’s about a country defending itself and its people”
>review giving the story 5 stars
has anyone ever seen a review such as this?

>>25349007
NTA but in my opinion it kind of pigeonholes your audience a little for who I call "Cute Girl Guys." The name is pretty self-explanatory but they seem to only know how to engage with anything if there's what they deem to be a "cute girl" as the focal point of it, either as the MC or a major mascot or what have you. Merryweathery's godawful comics are a great example.

These types of guys are usually very annoying at best and maladaptively neurotic at worst, often-times going feral at the mention of men at all and treating any conflict within the narrative that is not handled with kid-gloves as unnecessary in some way (not that they don't mind barbarity or cruelty or depravity, they just don't want it happening to the Cute Girl.)

People who don't mind male MCs, meanwhile, generally don't have these hang-ups. They likely have other ones, as they're internet users in communities centered on ultimately very escapist fiction, but they're not likely to be as annoying or unpelasant.

Oh and the authors tend to also be Cute Girl Guys, and frequent social pests.

I don't hate female leads implicitly (Some of my favorite "media" in general include Tomb Raider, Air Master, Terminator), but when it's a female lead in a winnie I tend not to bother. I know what's going to happen before it starts and not in a fun familiar way.

Those types of man complain about playing male MC in vidya because of 'starring at male ass', and then proceed to read women's pov of how sexual everything is and how attractive tall and handsome every man is.

i don't read fmc stories because women don't deserve to be main characters

>>25350988
nta, I think that's just what you've been reading. Typical litrpg protags are passive cool guy types. I think litrpg readers even prefer it that way.

>>25349007
The reason FeMCs actually suck is because of who is writing them.
If it's a woman, typically it's a self-insert fantasy that obviously wouldn't appeal to men, who make up 99% of this board.
If it's a man, it's typically done because the man is an Andrew Dobson type who have some very odd repressed fetish regarding the women they write, and it causes the whole work to feel strained.

>>25350446
Isnt First Contact/Nova Wars exactly that and pretty well recieved?

>>25351003
What about muscle mommies? Does that fall under Cute Girl shit or not?

Is there anything actually as good as Pale Lights, A Practical Guide to Evil, or Worm (without the bloat)? I went back to published literature because everything I tried on RR read like slop.

>>25351050
Yes. Sorry pal. I'm certain your work is fine, but, you know how it is.

>>25351051
Im pretty sure every good RR novel just gets swooped up by amazon and unpersoned.

>>25351003
Isn't that cute girl stuff the same as cute girls doing cute things like K-on, Tou Hou, Lucky Star and Bocchi the Rock. 4chan loves that stuff.
And why is the distinction only if it's the MC? Just having a male MC SI and then moving the cute girl to harem or LI status competently changes everything?
I'm pressing X to doubt here.

>>25351051
>Is there anything actually as good as Pale Lights, A Practical Guide to Evil, or Worm (without the bloat)? I went back to published literature because everything I tried on RR read like slop.
no one will miss you retard

>>25351051
No
It was pointed out a bunch of times in the general that Pale Lights is an exception.

>>25351067
You seem mad

>>25351065
CGDCT is popular among Cute Girl Guys but Cute Girl Guys do not exclusively watch CGDCT. And as I said, not necessarily the MC but also potentially as a major mascot or general focal point (Think Aqua in Konosuba as an example, or the angry kick girl from Raildex.)

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>>25351003
>These types of guys are usually very annoying at best and maladaptively neurotic at worst, often-times going feral at the mention of men at all and treating any conflict within the narrative that is not handled with kid-gloves as unnecessary in some way (not that they don't mind barbarity or cruelty or depravity, they just don't want it happening to the Cute Girl.)
Literally what the fuck are you talking about? A metric fuckton of web novels with female leads are either about court intrigue or women surviving in an apocalypse while coated in blood, or elseworld war bullshit, or just completely run of the mill fantasy isekai stories, or just normal ass romance stories, often with lots of rape and/or attempted rape if they're dramas.

What conflicts are female leads being shielded from? Fucking dismemberment? Are you swearing off female leads cause there's not enough with prosthetic hands?

>>25351109
You had a point and then ruined it with those gigantic badonkadonks

>your face when you stomp all over a random cultivator in the wild, only for him to begin reciting poetry

>>25351109
>A metric fuckton of web novels with female leads are either about court intrigue or women surviving in an apocalypse while coated in blood
>>they don't mind barbarity or cruelty or depravity, they just don't want it happening to the Cute Girl.

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>>25351056
I shan't be dissuaded

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>>25351114
You didn't have a point and then outed yourself as just being uncomfortable with women.

Newsflash, the kinds of authors that are going to write women experiencing hyperviolence are ALSO the kinds of authors that give them big tits. Sex and violence go hand-in-hand.

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>>25351109
>>25351118

>>25351118
I state with certainty that anon was making what is known as a "joke".

>>25351116
What the fuck makes you think characters in apocalypse stories aren't getting maimed while fighting? Half-dying is a staple of the genre.

>>25351119
I'm not cherry picking. I legitimately cannot think of a single fucking story like the kind you are describing except for in genres that aren't supposed to be conflict heavy in the first place. You are acting like an experience is relatively universal while describing something situational and easily avoidable. Also, not at all uncommon for male leads in those same genres.

>>25351032
>If it's a woman, typically it's a self-insert fantasy that obviously wouldn't appeal to men, who make up 99% of this board.
that might be true for this site, but I'm wondering how much readers of RR are women?

>>25351122
nta but his post insisted upon itself

>>25351124
>Half-dying is a staple of the genre.
Half-dying, but never dead.

>>25351116
>they just don't want it happening to the Cute Girl.
>>25351129
>Half-dying, but never dead.
How does all of that also not apply to MenCs? (In my experience) The average web novel reader of male MC actually gets pissed if MC loses a fight or experiences setbacks. Getting maimed or killed would make them livid.

we should ban discussion of women

>I hate femc
>gets owned with facts and logic
>uh lets not talk about femc anymore

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>>25351024

Yawn.
This is the #5034 thread that got derailed by the anti-femc anon meme.
How is he so powerful?
And how are people still falling for it?

>>25351168
There isn't a FemboyMC (FBMC) anon to counter him

>>25351168
one bad mc spoils the bunch

>>25351168
Type a tripcode into the name field, breh.

>>25351129
>Half-dying, but never dead.
Setting aside the undead ones sure, but killing off MCs is rare generally and for very good reason. Readers don't like that shit.

>>25350526
>>25350589
>>25350647
post your ratings

>>25350629
Super supportive was quite good up until he goes to super university, then it turns into the most boring slog I've ever read.
The Villainess Is An SS+ Rank Adventurer is very fun.

>no western xianxia ever made a reference to the most supreme humble daoist
>fred rogers

>>25351003
> treating any conflict within the narrative that is not handled with kid-gloves as unnecessary in some way (not that they don't mind barbarity or cruelty or depravity, they just don't want it happening to the Cute Girl.)
It's interesting that you feel this way, because I struggle to think of stories where the cute girls get horrific treatment that aren't femmc stories. Magical Girl Gunslinger is the first one that comes to mind. Anything by Thundamoo, too.
The Years of Apocalypse has some gruesome deaths, but using time loop stories is kind of cheating. The Wandering Inn has this with Ryoka getting her legs broken for multiple chapters, and Ceria getting all her friends killed and almost starving to death in a coffin. Erin almost gets raped by goblins pretty early on, now that I think about it.
What you're saying makes sense to me intuitively. I think we see a lot of that with the "strong female" archetype in TV and tradpub. But yeah, I'm not seeing this unique aversion to harming female characters that isn't prevalent in any other kind of story.

>>25351238
lurk a lot moar and read nowhere stars

>>25351241
by saying this you're agreeing with him
dumb bimbo

>>25351241
I have it on audible and I plan on getting to it eventually. I'll probably read the crazy lezbo zombie story at some point too. My impression based on the times I've seen NWS mentioned though is that it would pretty much just back up everything I just said. And either way I wouldn't including it to make my point because it has like 800 followers and the writing seemed to be more tradpub, so it wouldn't really be that representative of my point

>>25351241
>Nowhere Stars is an ongoing fantasy-horror web novel about traumacore magical girls, nightmares clothed in ribbons and lace, alienation from reality, and broken children twisting the world into whatever shape they must to make their dreams come true.
nope

anti-FeMC tard gets exposed AGAIN

>>25351251
>on audible
:l
>crazy lezbo zombie story
which one lol

>>25351253
You won't like it if you are not already familiar with mahou shoujo.

>>25351260
>>crazy lezbo zombie story
Necroepilogos. lurk moar

>>25351260
>mahou shoujo
yeah, I don't read japshit

I had never written in english before and just wrote about 6k words in two days. I am going to be rich if I keep doing this for an year.

>>25351265
The author alone has more than one and I've read a good bit of Necroepilogos. Stop looking for a fight, faggot.

>>25351265
>same author as katalepsis
yiiiiiikes

>>25351267
Post story?

>>25351268
zombie would be the keyword here sperg-kun
there isn't another story that combines that exact word salad that has been discussed here

>>25348537
>It's honestly my biggest thing besides making money is someone else to make a fanfic about my story.

thats the gayest thing I've ever heard. Admitting you are a poser and only in it for the money would honestly be more acceptable

>>25351276
>pedantic newfaggotry because god forbid you admit being in the wrong or incorrect or combative in any way
If you're the one other person who has been talking about NS with me this entire time and who rec'd me Necro then I am disappointed in your petulant behavior.

>>25351277
wanting someone to love your story so much that it inspires they themselves to create is a much loftier ambition than money. in fact wanting to leave a legacy is the highest creative ambition

>>25351270
It's only two chapters, there's nothing to read and its ESL. I haven't given it to a human eyes. If you want to be test subject — sure. Can I post gdocs linkies here?

>>25351281
>newfag schizo is the person who likes NWS
how tragic

>>25351285
>2016+ newfag calling others new and engaging in bad faith behavior
How surprising.

>>25351284
yeah, rentry is fine too, you can delete it later

>>25351289
power word: seethe
now spend the next 400 posts screaming at shadows
an angry sperg rivaled only by fmc seether
I'm not the person you got angry at to begin with btw. you don't even know what you're angry at

>>25351282
fanfics are not creative works. They are masturbatory hallucinations, and the complete opposite of creativity. zoomer faggot. You learned something today

>>25351297
>power word: 4chan launched on the day i found the website after 2016
talk about books or kill yourself, newfag bitch.

>>25351301
u mad?

>>25351294
Here you go boss https://docs.google.com/document/d/15QjbHWqfw3zMflbPHWhrAE5byAJP1UxitWMWmQd5NcE

>>25351268
>"Stop looking for a fight, faggot."
>Literally just repeated the insult that was said to me for infinitely more valid reasons
You are the biggest crybully faggot I have ever interacted with on /wng, holy shit. NWS doesn't need a third reader. I'm wiping this shit of my list, thank you for saving me 8 hours of my life

>samefagging
facepalm

>>25351320
>random schizo killed the rep of another fic
damn...
it is good but I don't blame you

>>25351003
i don't know man, i was following you for the first paragraph but then you seem to go completely unhinged in the second

i'm not doubting there are some guys out there that combine the traits of your first and second paragraph, but i'm sure that you're just ignoring a lot of guys who don't overlap those traits like that

>>25351308
I'm sorry anon but your sentence construction is really poor. You're over using commas. Why does the second one have fours commas? It should be something like:
>Dan, a horribly ill athlete and a mere human, does not
You have to make your writing easy to read since they're not paying for it. If they have to read the same sentence multiple times they'll just give up out of annoyance.
Omniscient means "all knowing". You might have meant Omnipotent powers but even that is still awkward as how can you distribute omnipotence among multiple people? It would make more sense as "divine powers" or "primordial", etc.

PLEASE be nice to each other

>>25351362
prove it

>>25351362
I'm nice to people who are nice
I am the judge, jury, and executioner of the golden rule

>Xianxia chads don't post as much as previous threads
>General falls into disharmony
>Multiple back to back melties instead of the usual token one
Unblock your meridians and cleanse your bone-marrow and you may still learn from this failure.

>>25351351
Ye, seems so. It's expected pretty much to have many mistakes at firsts. I don't really care about minor mistakes and will write the best I can anyways, it will get polished eventually. But it is readable through? You can actually follow what's happening and it's not like asdhuasdfhdsfsdf for your english reading eyes? That's my main concern. I have only consumed things in english, never written anything, that's a first for me.

>>25351003
I feel you bruh. any mention of a guy in these kinds of series gets their face all contorted and shit and would have them ranting about it in either the series' subreddit or twitter.

I just ignore them but it does turn me off from reading or watching a certain series if they have these kinds of people lurking.

>>25351003
does dungeon meshi count? I wanted to read that but the shippers of that elf girl and the blonde with her eyes closed is annoying to see in my timeline ngl. my friend says the elf is straight but the mentally ill trannies already marked her as their own and absolutely despise you if you see her in any other way.

>>25351367
You're an ass, Haze.

>>25351446
>caring about what trannies think
extremely woman coded post

>>25348426
how do anons here feel about this >>25347675
Should all settings be just generic because, according to that anon's publisher friend, readers detest new lore?

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There are valid reasons to complain about the way FMCs are done, but... doesn't this apply to male MCs too?
"FMC stories are bad because passive quirk chungus is a common trope."
Male MCs have similar tropes that are just as retarded though, the bulk of male MC stuff is unreadable due to checking one of these boxes (or multiple):
1. Passive white knight harem MC (great examples of this are SAO and, despite his edginess, the Shield hero).
2. A great focus on waifu collection (once again the first two series are a good example, there are few men and virtually no genuine interpersonal connections because everyone is either a one dimensional waifu object or a roadblock to be destroyed in order to get to a waifu, there is no interpersonal narrative whatsoever in these stories).
3. Autistic aura farming retard MC. There's a ton of these and they are a staple of Korean slop especially IME. Once again there are no genuine interpersonal connections, character development or real drama, because the other characters are not there to participate in the story they are there to set up aura farming scenes. The MCs are also usually autistic and focused on being hard core and cool so they have little interest and even less capacity for interpersonal story elements.
4. Ultra generic progression slop MC. These are solo MCs like #3 but do not even have the edgelord aura farming element, they have basically no personality whatsoever and are just chasing the next XP point and level up. Common in LitRPG written by NPCs.
Personally at least I don't see much of a difference between FMC slop and male MC slop, because ultimately its true nature is being slop, not being FMC or MMC. The only stories worth reading with either are worth reading because they have no, or at least less, slop.

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>>25351510
That anon's friend accurately explains why LitRPG as a genre is popular at all and why there is a fantasy 'template' that we all know. Readers learn it once and can just rely on that same model in the future to make sense of any new story that follows it.
Writing a story sticking to the generic model has its merits.
Building a really elaborate power system or even developing a really elaborate setting, especially if you are going for originality, will make it harder for readers to settle in easily, and it will also require you to do a lot of set up and world building in your story that you would not need to do with a generic fantasy model.
I know that a lot of guys these days say 'you need to have some kind of original twist or element to get attention', but personally if the uniqueness feels like novelty for novelty's sake, I don't tend to like it. It feels stilted.
The 'safe' way is probably to just retain the generic model and introduce one major feature that feels like it affects the whole world but really doesn't.
Of course, original world building can work too, especially if it is intuitive and the story itself is deeply grounded in it and could not work in another simpler setting. However even complex 'unique' works like LOTM tend to borrow heavily from historical inspiration and so follow a model of their own.
Finally when it comes to 'weird lore', hardcore fans who specifically care about that type of stuff will still learn it all and quite well, but even for a very successful work with original elements, the average reader may completely gloss over the more unique elements, you may have the best and most elaborated cultivation system ever but the average reader will appreciate that only very superficially as a 'point go up' power level thing. Their mind will simplify it and not really appreciate or think deeply about the rest, least of all because they have a thousand other semi-identical stories they will read right after and they need to keep their working memory to the baseline they need.
This is not to say that you should let such concerns constrain you in how you write. Writing motivation is the most precious resources, if you are motivated to write something, write it in the way you want to. I have seen some slop writers make absurd amounts of money simply because they are super motivated to write their slop, and then slop readers are more than happy to receive that slop. Likewise if you hate writing slop, trying to write things more slop-like deliberately will make you miserable.

>>25351510
The publisher is unfortunately right that the average reader is a fucking retard, and therefore to make books fly off the shelves, you need to produce soulless slop.

However, I think there is a happy medium. I genuinely detest Sandersonslop where every setting has to be NEW!! and WACKY!!! dude what if everyone had GUNS but you had to like, CUT OFF YOUR PINKIE FINGER BONE to load it because it's MAGIC and STUFF??!! COOL UNIQUE SETTING!!

I do think worldbuilding is largely a waste of fucking time because the average reader is a retard. However, it's not ENTIRELY a waste of time. Always write for the intellectuals. Do not concern yourself with the lowest denominator. Most importantly, focus on WEAVING the worldbuilding in, rather than infodumping who is who and who does what.

Focus on presenting the world as the characters live and see it, rather than some encyclopediaic trivia. Nobody cares there's some federation of dickwads who sniff the elves' farts for a living. How does this affect the MC, or at least the supporting characters?

If it doesn't, leave it out. Whatever you don't write in can always be turned into a side story, a sequel, or covered later.

>>25351527
>>25351531
tldr

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>>25351540
To put it in D&D terms, your INT is 1. Roll death save.

>>25351543
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dungeons_%26_Dragons_rulebooks#Dungeons_&_Dragons_5th_edition
>multiple 300+ pages long books
tldr

>>25351457
is dungeon meshi good doe?

>>25351558
>japshit
it's shit

>>25351558
Not him but I liked the anime, the limits of its format are visible but I think it has some really good stuff going for it. It also helped me solve some problems with my own story planning. For example, there isn't much of any competence wank about the main characters, but they naturally look cool and competent and important despite the story being set in just one town. This limited setting allows there to be tension and a kind of power hierarchy locally, which is fun to watch and makes you want to root for the MCs to be the strongest (despite them not even having that as a goal). The fact that the 'power level competition' is localised like that and that the town they are at becomes important, helps make the main characters and their actions also important and gives their actions stakes on a world scale, despite the rest of the world not being explored by the author early on. It made me think that having some kind of barrier between the local and the global would be a good way to give oneself room to work with tension and stakes, and to actually have things happen, even without having to introduce and use up high level conflicts and characters. These can instead be saved for later. And I found that to be a really useful insight.

>>25351546
>>25351558
I like that Dungon Meshi is set in a thinly disguise Undermountain

>>25351558
it's pretty good
the mangaka is a clasically trained artist and went to an art school. you can tell. she also has a fairly bad case of worldbuilding tism if that's your thing. there's lore extras and design sheets at the end of volumes
it has a driving plot but it's mainly a comedy manga. read a bit of it and if you bounce off the jokes, skip it

There's a special spot in hell reserved for this certain breed of pedantic autists, who can't accept that some words could have been adopted to use in a fantasy setting without their full historical context from Earth.

>>25351583
Full sapport saar.

>>25351583
It's way more than some words especially if you write in English that uses words poached from all over. Language in fantasy is one the first things you have to apply suspension of disbelief to.
Then there's the shit like potatoes being mentioned in Lord of the Rings but they're from North America and weren't grown in large numbers in England until the 1700s.

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>>25351593
And tomatoes are actually from south america and weren't part of a medieval peasant's diet, I know, I KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT NO ONE ASKED FUCK

>>25351531
Weaving is always the superior choice. Only tell people what they need to know when they need to know it. Make it natural, make it to where readers passively absorb it. Nobody wants to read a wall of info like they're taking a test on it.

>>25351599
Yet all the fantasy bestsellers are exactly that, dry as fuck infodumps about completely irrelevant things. That's the genre

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>>25351583
>There's a special spot in hell reserved for this certain breed of pedantic autists, who can't accept that some words could have been adopted to use in a fantasy setting without their full historical context from Earth.
This, but excluding proper nouns with specific historical contexts. I better not see you dipshits writing isekai elf priestesses shouting "Jesus Christ!" when startled.

>>25351610
>Yet all the fantasy bestsellers are exactly that, dry as fuck infodumps about completely irrelevant things. That's the genre
Eh, not everything is The Silmarillion.

>>25351611
>even fantasy worlds know jesus
would be kino

>>25351613
No, they're worse. Silmarillion at least was intended to be mythical, and not just a fat fuck rambling

>>25351610
what is it with people making wide sweeping statements that are obviously and demonstrably wrong

>>25351617
>Silmarillion at least was intended to be mythical, and not just a fat fuck rambling
The conceit of Tolkien's Middle-Earth bullshit is he's using copies of lost diaries and other documents produced after the fact by historical figures from a lost history to reconstruct a narrative of what happened in the long past. It's literally ramblings squared. It's some dude telling you about some shit he translated.

I've avoided A Song of Fire and Ice like the plague, but isn't A Dance with Dragons ALSO just a fat fuck rambling?

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>>25351623
because they are demonstrably right. Retards cant and wont help but rattle off infodumps on the regular no matter how long and how inane. its a plague, and denying it doesn't help anything

>>25351634
are you basing your opinion on a random 4chan post
writing standards have never been more sparse and minimal. sanderson being the definitive corner stone for tradpub fantasy for over decade has set a standard of simple, almost childlike prose that focuses on plot and quippy dialogue
I can't even tell if you're baiting or genuinely this stupid

>>25351632
But what is Sauron's tax policy?

>>25351640
I fucking hate Sanderson so much.
I don't even hate the guy I just hate his fucking slop.

>>25351640
That might be true fro tradpub but for web novels "windowpane" prose would have been the norm regardless of whatever Brando did.

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>>25351640
I have more if you want them. I wouldn't use sanderson as some good example just sayin

>>25351634
>>25351648
Both of these are based.
Do you psueds think we'd point and laugh along with you or something? Fuck off back to /wg/

>>25351648
???
you're the one who said the bestselling fantasy authors
>>25351646
it's in response to the standards of tradpub
holy fuck you people cannot be real human beings this thread is full AI what are these responses

>>25351613
>>25351617
>>25351632
Neither of you have read the Simarillion and it shows.