C-C-COMBO BREAKER

>>25435661
I believe the first 200 or so chapters were unplanned. I'd recommend reading to chapter 400 first and you'll get a feel for the story and it's good bits by then.

A lot of things get ironed out past 200, but the repetition and translated prose is still bad.

The climaxes are quite good though.

>>25441788
I stopped at 200 because I just found Fang Yuan and his new companion boring. The author at least tries to show Fang Yuan to have some kind of moral complexity even if he's just a psychopath with sophistry, but the other one is just a battle psychopath which I find incredibly tedious.
RI does setup and payoff really well, but it's not for me I reckon.

Am I going crazy? I just checked the RR Writer's Guild and looked through author stories, and all of them seem to me to be at least ai assisted or created. It's like a nesting doll within the reviews (likely ai written) also writing works that have all the same signs and shit fuck voice.

fucking hate this, maybe im just schizo

>>25441849
Reverend Insanity literally gets good after chapter 200. Keep reading, bozo.

>>25441849
I'd really recommend you to get to 400 as the end of that arc has an incredible payoff. Much more so than the end of the Gu Yue arc.

But if you don't like Fang Yuan himself then dropping it would be the answer. But I will say that side characters don't stick around for very long.

>Read 400 chapters and it totally gets better bro!
I thought this was a joke

>>25441867
Thanks for telling me the other character isn't a mainstay, that might make me pick it up again.
I don't dislike fang yuan, I just don't find him interesting. He's like the horseshoe theory of boring protagonists where the supporting characters are all more interesting than the them, except instead of the protagonist being boring because they're not a character Fang Yuan is boring because he's completed. Both are boring because they don't change.

>>25441851
No. People who are passionate about writing are in the minority now, and most of those have patreon anyway. Ai slop farmers are just the final flowering of the author's art.

>>25441875
It's not wrong

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>I stopped reading Reverend Insanity at chapter 200

>>25441877
Sadly Fang Yuan has already lived through 500 years of character development. All that remains is the pursuit of eternity, by any means.

Are there any cultivation stories that are a bit better written? Something that stands out to me is that old side characters fall off. The MC is supposed to be great friends with them, but at some point they just never appear again. Another common oddity is that the MC only cares about "jade beauties". All other characters are villains or in the background. The MC never seems to have to do any actual sect missions either. The only time that it becomes relevant is if they are sent on a mission that's dangerous or they don't want to go to. There's never any "MC have lectures to the qi gathering pupils" missions. As a result of this these worlds never feel fleshed out to me. Are there any works that aren't like this?

>>25441952
Cradle by Will Wight

>>25441878
>patreon
is that the best deal for subscribers? don't they charge a percentage?
what about just getting direct Paypal payments?

>>25441952
>Something that stands out to me is that old side characters fall off. The MC is supposed to be great friends with them, but at some point they just never appear again
That's one of the things that make xianxia great. In western novels very often we get a group of people, mc and people from his childhood and teenage years that fill up the roles of the protagonist, antagonist and the supporting characters, the roles change throughput the story (enemies become friends, and friends turn into enemies). It's a such shitty way of writing. It's even more common in things like tv shows (which probably serves as a kind of guide and learning material for trash RR authors).

>>25441992
Everyone takes a cut, anon.
You could theoretically mail or wire the money to the author directly.

>>25441994
I'm fine with it if they intentionally part ways.
>I'm going on a journey for 20 years so we probably won't see each other until then.
This is fine, but in the Chinese stories it just feels like the author forgot that some characters existed at all.

>>25441994
>It's a such shitty way of writing
ESL, *and* retarded
SMDH

>>25441999
>it just feels like the author forgot
cause s/he did

>>25442001
Secure Mobile Data Handler?

>>25441952
Chinese web novels are actually written as serials. As in they release a new chapter that was written that very day or the day before.
This goes on for years and they literally just forget about old characters. There are also entire arcs where they do a bunch of stuff that never matter later for example an arc where they have spaceship battles then space travel is never mentioned again.

What are gu?

>mark story as complete
>immediately get a shout out swap request
strange

>>25441994
>In western novels very often we get a group of people, mc and people from his childhood and teenage years that fill up the roles of the protagonist, antagonist and the supporting characters
> It's a such shitty way of writing
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>25441992
>what about just getting direct Paypal payments?
Nobody is gonna donate you for nothing. You have to blueball them with cliffhangers and paywall the resolution to make any money

>>25442177
>You have to blueball them with cliffhangers and paywall the resolution to make any money
that's good advice, thanks

but I was really asking which payment broker extracts the least commission / processing fee

>>25442183
You seem very dumb, so I'll explain this especially simply and clearly.

Okay? Are you ready?

You have exactly one (1) real option to make anything as an indie writer.

Do you understand? One.

That's patreon.

So whatever they charge, you just cry and pay it.

>>25442194
>You seem very dumb
Yeah I'm a total noob at this, admittedly

>That's patreon.
>So whatever they charge, you just cry and pay it.
Oh well
Thanks

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>>25442120

Read Kingdom Bloodline

What's gu nigga?

>>25442672
Gu is the essence of heaven on earth, man is the spirit of all things.

Am I the only one that thinks Western progression fantasy isn't the same as Chinese and it doesn't have the same vibe or charm?

>>25441994
>>25442176
>we get a group of people, mc and people from his childhood and teenage years that fill up the roles of the protagonist, antagonist and the supporting characters
Innocent beginnings are great.

>>25442732
Unless you count Breath of Creation (Original) as one, then I never read one.

>>25442724
IT'S A FUCKING CENTIPEDE

>>25442747
That wasn't my point, though. The Walking Dead show comes to mind, characters that were introduced in the first few episodes carried on throughout the entire show (switching from protagonist or allies to antagonist roles, then switching back again etc etc, what a terrible show by the way). Not just The Walking Dead, but many others too. I get that it may be different with movies and tv, and things like limited budgets don't allow for total freedom, but the same constraints do not apply in writing yet shitty Royal Road authors literally treat the movie script formula as a gold standard. Chinese authors don't have this problem.

>>25442787
Sorry, but when I said that,
>Innocent beginnings are great
I'm talking about JRPG.

>>25442787
while what you say is indeed a problem, however,
>Chinese authors
and their monster of the week format is not better, merely the reverse and equally retarded

>>25442791
>Chinks
>monster of the week format
They ALL use son>father>uncle>grandfather>ancestor format.

>>25442788
Video games and jrpgs in particular are even more retarded than (American) TV shows.

>>25442800
You wish.
>American TV Show
I like Heroes.

>>25442797
>>25442804
Ok, whatever, just don't use the movie/tv show/video game script formula for literature.

>>25442787
Yeah, dude, introducing characters left and right without doing anything with them, just to forget about them and replacing them with new ones is really great writing

>literature
You're not writing literature.
Web Novels isn't literature.

>>25442797
look at Jin Yong
>le random other faction
>le random other temple
>le random new hero group
>le random lone wanderer(s)
>le random long-lost artifact / weapon / manual / hero / villain
>le random whole fucking other country
it's only narrow-mindedness that fixates on family as the source of antagonists du jour

>>25442819
>Jin Yong
>The Legend of the Condor Heroes
>The Return of the Condor Heroes
>The Heaven Sword and Dragon Saber
>The Smiling, Proud Wanderer
Are you serious
Why do you even compare him, we're talking about web novels
>Chin-
No, they still make some good works, but it's all historical and definitely is not cultivation.
The best cultivator is Hou Ken from Kingdom.

>>25442825
OP didn't specify webnovels

>>25442815
wrong

Light novels are more literary than web novels will ever be.

>>25442813
>MC goes to a new town/city/country
>MC meets new people there
>People from places previously visited by the mc carry on with their lives.
This isn't a new concept.

>>25442848
>at the climax of the story they all appear and help the MC defeat the final big bad
kino

>>25442848
It's more kino for them to have their own adventures, not 'peaceful, boring, unchanging' life.

>>25442845
No he isn't

>>25442860
Do your readers really want to read about them, though?

>>25442877
That depends on you, obviously.

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Christ, wtf is this garbage.

>>25442885
vague bullshit that could be read as getting ready to go adventuring, or a whore's daughter getting ready for her first customer

>>25442885
Mum is what's used by the British and Indians and dates back to the 1820s.
Gramps is an American thing from the 1890s onward
Makes me think the author is a Euro ESL, possibly German.

>>25442901
>Gifted
Safe space the novel. Written to protect fragile Royal Road readers from the big bad novels out there. Mum and Gramps will protect you from that mean chinese man and his bear.

Why are retards here holding webnovels to the same standards as real literature?

>>25442872
wrong

>>25442885
Yet anons here can't get 1% as many readers as this, how bad are the writers here

>>25442999
Because web novels are real literature. In a hundred years when people look back at our time web novels will be a big part of what they think of. Meanwhile current literary novels will fall into complete obscurity.

I think in a decade or two we will get headlines about a "reading resurgence" because publishers will discover WNs and their readership. Obviously that will ruin WNs because of a deluge of normies, but they will get more popular.

>>25442999
What about self-published novels on the web by traditionally-published authors?

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>>25442672

>>25443130
They self-publish because they knew what they're writing can't be considered literature by their publishers.

>>25443130
A webnovel is not literally just a novel on the web. It should be something easier to read.

>>25443149
>they knew
Oh.

>>25443149
have you seen what publishers sell? Lmao, you're delusional. They barely even edit their books anymore and they always sold low quality pulp anyway

do men even read western fiction ?

>>25443158
>>25443159
I will admit I haven't looked at recent publishes (last 5 years).

>>25443165
it is not a 5 year trend dude
50 shades of gray is 10 years+ and they've been selling similar pulp since the printing press was invented
you're just clueless

>>25443149
I self published because publishers exist to leech money from authors, it's outdated in this era (or for web novelists at least). You make more money going self pub

How do you deal with a new shiny idea for your webnovel that is incompatible with the older ideas that have lost their lustre but are deeply entrenched in the story?
Do you only adopt ideas that are compatible with the story or do you force the story to permit new ideas at the expense of what you'd written previously?

>>25443174
Judgment call, you can't just force anything in lol, but you can get creative for sure

What are you considered literature?
>Eden by Stanislaw Lem

>>25442255
I should re-read this. Has it progressed much from the prison arc?

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Why aren't there more dual cultivation stories?

>>25443205
Yes, translations just didn't catch up.

>>25443227
Man/woman 'dual cultivation'? There is Heaven's Laws :-)

>>25443248
Thanks

>>25443227
The autists who like prog fantasy style stories don't usually like romance being mixed in prominently

>>25443271
The autists who write prog fantasy style stories don't usually know how to write romance well enough to mix it into the story without it being a shitfest

>>25442813
>>25442860
Generally most people reading WNs want to focus on the main character, not dipshit side characters unless they're directly working for or against the main character in that moment (typically against from what I've seen, since seeing a hater is always fun).
If you want dipshit side character adventures, write omakes or a full on side story/spinoff. There is nothing more disappointing than getting an update and it's just Dipshit Loser #12's adventures in irrelevancy land.

>>25443369
>irrelevant
It's on you.

>>25443271
Nah, it's more that writing a romance that doesn't suck ass or piss someone off is difficult. Although, I can't remember the last time I read a romance that didn't just suck ass. Maybe in the first The Perfect Run book, where the insane protagonist has a fling with an equally insane woman. They had great chemistry and their relationship made sense.
But mostly, romances are superfluous, or they just don't make any sense, or they get in the way of whatever shit the author is going for. Imagine a romance in.... I dunno, Primal Hunter. Such a relationship (if it wasn't deranged) would necessarily change the protagonist into a different, more mature character. And most these protagonists aren't meant to change or evolve (except in power level). They're meant to be just sort of stupid, autistic weirdoes for the stupid, autistic weirdo audience to self-insert into. Or that's what I assume, in any case.

>>25443279
that's also true but I really do think its more the audience disliking it
they treat everything with a sense of hyper rationality and selfishness which does NOT work with romance

>>25443400
>The Perfect Run book, where the insane protagonist has a fling with an equally insane woman. They had great chemistry and their relationship made sense.
He should have doomed the world to have her back.

>>25443400
>Nah, it's more that writing a romance that doesn't suck ass or piss someone off is difficult
its not any harder than writing an engaging story in general. I really do think the core concepts of the genres are opposed. if you think about what makes a romance work and what makes a progfantasy work, multiple elements clash

I don't like how western literary fiction's direction went towards subtlety and realism after the 1800s. Asia didn't go that way to the same extent, and before 1800s Western fiction too was melodramatic and emotion focused instead of whatever modern literary and genre fiction is like. Journey to the West, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Gilgamesh were all probably literary by the standards of their time I bet.

What are hidden gem xianxia novels that are Chinese?

>>25443402
I feel as though it would only work if the relationship cannot be construed as a burden for the main character to have in the first place. The reader's just sees in the future an almost surefire arc where something happens to the weaker party as a way to get at the main character, and it's annoying.

I feel you would have to make a female lead that is strong enough to match up against the main character, while simultaneously not letting her steal the spotlight too much. Difficult.

>>25443426
>I feel as though it would only work if the relationship cannot be construed as a burden for the main character to have in the first place.
you're so close
what makes any story work?
conflict

>>25443425
No such thing, the age of xianxia is over

>>25443433
Of course if executed well it would work in a story's favor. It's not executed well often though, and so the sight of it turns off readers who've been burned in the past. At least that's that I think.

>>25443448
I think when something is universally received poorly you need to dig deeper
There is almost zero overlap in these two genres. when it is received well its either a super minor subplot (Cradle) or a very small story relative to big names

0 instances of popular, major hit overlaps says something

Do you have any readers who beg for romance?
More often than not, it's best to let a good moment just be a good moment, rather than trying to make something more out of it.

>>25443465
vagueposter king

>>25443457
you have to become a slop master to properly merge the two slop genre's, to combine the two slop audiences! The first pioneer of romangression!!

Giant Sun Immortal Venerable. That is who you must embody!

>>25443472
>vagueposter
That hurts.

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I think the core of romance is beauty and the beast, basically. The man is a beast, and the woman helps turn him into a man. Problem with a lot of webnovel protagonists is, their whole appeal is that they are beasts. Although, another point of romance is to turn the boy into a man. A lot of webnovel protagonists are also boys, and again this is part of their appeal.

So a romance turning your beastyboy into a manlyman would defeat the whole point of the novel.

Personally, I think the development from beast/boy into man is a positive one, and that most of these protagonist are cringy retards who would be massively improved by such a change. But then, I'm not a massive reader of these books and so not part of the core audience so what I want probably isn't what they want.
It's also pretty hard to write a man if you are a boy yourself, entirely separate from it also being hard to write a romance if you don't know anything about it.

I caught up with the web comic of eternally regressing knight, and I enjoyed my time but right around the end of the current season of it I've grown bored of the mc. He still doesn't do anything but die to the same thing until he learns and gets stronger, and his personality is a too one note, so his reaction to every single plot threads that shows up is never interesting.

Is the novel any better?

>>25443425
Unsheathed, Nightfall and The Path Toward Heaven. They're hidden by English reader standards anyway.

>>25443369
Isn't the solution to make the side characters fun to read about

>>25443680
It will annoy self inserters regardless

>>25443680
Write your multi-pov with fun side characters and get back to us on how it went

Isn't the secret writing something good and fun and engaging with no filler and no slow parts and brilliant plot twists?
Wow how are writers so fucking stupid??? Just do that

>>25443680
The problem you fail to see is, if one character is really fun, and then the story abruptly cuts away from that character to another, that's NOT FUN. Readers already hate this new cunt before they even know anything about him/her

The actual solution is to make every POV utterly bland, dull, and painful, so that any change of pace is actually welcome. It's a technique to make insufferable characters seem tolerable when given only in small dozes (and hopefully killed soon), and what they do is interesting enough to make up for them being retarded assholes. This is the bestselling GRRRM strategy.

>>25443400
I don't want a well written romance either.

>>25443793
what sucks is I can't even tell if this post is satire or if it is the actual MO of most head-hopping webnovels I read

>>25443793
I'm sorry, I just woke up and didn't follow the discussion far enough to see it wasn't really about multi-povs. Just take this as general advice, or something

discourse of fiction really has become "why don't they just make something good?" huh?

>>25443801
it's an interesting question to ask

>>25443804
it's really not unless you're like 10 with no critical thinking ability

>>25443814
i think every question is interesting

>>25443801
Discourse of fiction has become:
>why does nobody read?
>why is everyone illiterate?
>why is trash fiction so popular?
And all three questions answer each other.

>>25443820
based 1 year old who likes the jingling keys

>>25443824
how did you know i read RI?

What would Star Constellation do in this situation?

Wow the Royal Road forums is a fucking ghost town. But I made one post and managed to out preform several threads that were made years ago. I think this may be more profitable than buying ads so long as you're not a retard posting "I used Grok to make this!" bullshit.

>>25443846
Are you an idiot? The forums are nothing but desperate authors shilling themselves 24/7. You don't get readers there

>>25443847
what if desperate authors are your market and you're trying to convert them to readers?

>>25443866
That would expect them to actually read the posts of others and not just spam "check out my fiction!" and stealth-drop signature ads everywhere

>>25443899
i thought the point of the forums is that it's mutual backrubbing and circlejerking
or does everything go ignored and it's all helpless shouting into the void

>>25443904
Why do you think the forums turned into a ghost town? All the cool boys are in their discord cliques, so only friendless poorfags use the forums to promote

>>25443904
>or does everything go ignored and it's all helpless shouting into the void
ya

>>25443904
It looks like everything goes ignored. Endless threads with less than five replies.

>>25443917
The RR discord is more of the same. Except the begging happens in real time, which makes it all the more pathetic. I was there for five seconds and some retard bursts in begging for shout outs from somebody, anybody, as if the success of their novel depends on it.

why can't this thread be a mutual backrubbing and circlejerking session?

>>25443953
what would be the benefit of that?

>>25443956
ever had your back rubbed?
ever been jerked off by someone else?
well, anon?

>>25443965
Nta, but no.

>>25443233
Just looked it up and there are 725 chapters translated, alot of then are behind patreon paywall though

>>25443953
All you get from anons is comments saying "dropped" for whatever reason and being stalked by creeps years later

>>25444022
schizo

Web novels show that there is no rules in writing.

>>25444022
I've posted mine a couple times and people were actually quite reasonable. I know one anon said he 1-starred it and then immediately after I got a 5-star rating instead, so take it as you will.

How do people do the web novel writing style.
This sounds retarded but whenever I write I like to do long descriptive paragraphs, and I know WNs are primarily just
>"Dialogue." John said.
>Foid smiled and rubbed her tits in his face, opening a status window.
>"Exposition." Foid stated.
Something like that, just short sentences, but how do you actually get into doing that? I had to edit down an entire chapter because I accidentally slipped into my usual writing style again.

>>25443953
ever since we lost glass cannon/kaiju anon things haven't been the same

>>25444278
I do it like this.

“Yuup… Gotta sleep for the next shift.” She nodded, stretching. I had to consciously keep myself from staring. She then turned around, placing her fists on her hips. “Is your name Crime?”
“Funny.” I replied, staring with a tight-lipped grimace at her smugly smirking face.
“…I'll let you in on a hint that it's a cue for you. You know my name”, She added, briefly leaning forward.
“I go by John…” I replied quietly, hoping she wouldn't hear me.
“Go by, or is your name John?”
I nodded along with my head lowered. “Yes, my name is John…” I feel mortified that I even tried that.
“Hm. Mary Striker”, Mary declared with her hand extended towards me.
“Yeah…” I nodded, grabbing her hand, though I didn't particularly feel like politely standing up due to my foot.
“John what?” She tilted her head with a smile.
I replied immediately, “John Burger.”
“Wooow. You really think I was gonna look you up, huh?” Mary asked with a smile that I couldn't tell if it was friendly, amused, or pissed off.
Was she trying to say that she wouldn't?
I didn't say anything. I was partially hoping she'd believe me that I was a deaf-mute.
She then let go of my hand. “Alright, John…” She shrugged, though with her accusative tone briefly returning. “Let her know that I'd like to see her again. To talk. Just talk.”

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>>25441775
wtf is this writing style and how does anyone read it?

>>25444337
LLM's temperature a bit too high.

>>25444337
it's ai writing

the "author" probably nudged the prompt to try and make it more unique. still shit.

>>25444337
Nothing real.

Just prompts.

LLMs.

Em dashes.

The Author didn't care. The Author never cared

He wasn't building. He was pressing enter.

>>25444026
Newfags have been typing "schizo" for a decade now DAMN

>>25444388
I've been here since 2015. That means I'm an oldfag :^)

>>25444385
It's not just true — it's a fact.

>>25444385
>>25444398
kek

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

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>>25444572
He would undoubtedly read Clara Casewell, Attorney to the Villainess

>>25444351
AI actually writes real prose. Pic is just printing out the dictionary

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>I must not fear the rewrite. The rewrite is my friend. The rewrite is the little-regression that brings a free second try.

>Through the rewrite, I remind me fans of memberberries and thus get free good reviews to start with.

>I must let the rewrite pass over me and take root, and when its time has come, only patreonbux will remain.

>The rewrite is the permission to do everything over but right this time, and reap anew the cash money of fans new and old alike.

>It is the permission to roll the dice of Rising Stars without having to come up with new shit.

>Amen.

>>25443982
Really? I stopped reading at chapter 512 in 2024 because a human translator picked it up after Webnovel and it clearly would take years for him to catch up despite the high quality. That's nice to hear.

>>25441775
Coming up with outlines is easy; the difficulty is the prose in writing it down.
People in these threads will bully for most prose, but most reviewers don't address prose at all, but care about the plot

I've found one decent story on scribblehub and it got discontinued. Is there anything good over there?

>>25445330
What was the decent one?

These Korean/chinks wn about image boards and streaming are absolutely wild. How do you even write something like this

Any web2epub Daoists?
>book I'm reading goes MTL
>find one (1) website with a better translation that allows me to read each chapter despite giving me a limit notice
>takes a few seconds to load each chapter for some reason so all the downloaded epub has for each chapter is "Loading chapter..."
ree what do i do

I don't like how immature readers accuse a character of hypocrisy the instant they show any moral fiber. Maybe I should just stop reading chinese slop targeted at teenagers.

>>25445493
I mean, duh. These scammy chinese outfits definitely protect themselves from web2epub. I would say let it go.
If you can copy the text manually, you can always make your own epub. With pandoc or something.

>>25445503
They do that for things like characters playing devil's advocate or offering forgiveness as well.
>t. got a guy who's been freaking out every time a character's been given any sort of grace after a slow burn redemption

>>25445503
>Maybe I should just stop reading chinese slop
ya, YA THINK?

>>25445503
>targeted at teenagers
If only.

>>25445503
>I don't like how immature readers accuse a character of hypocrisy
Things that never happened itt

I find myself frequently shitting on my own writing but the other day I read a few lines from my old chapters and I thought they were pretty good.

>>25446049
I think that's a good sign. When I go back and read stuff I wrote last year looking to improve it, I find that even if there are small errors, I generally enjoy what I wrote.

At the very least, I have one satisfied reader of my writings (me).

>>25446069
>At the very least, I have one satisfied reader of my writings (me).
Thanks for telling me to ignore you

>>25444278
I'm posting my writing with virtually no change in style. If I come across a large paragraph maybe I divide it into two or three small paragraphs, but that's it.

I have noticed my dialog heavy chapters do a lot better than my prose heavy chapters.

>>25444278
Don't be afraid of that period key on your keyboard.

I was able to make my writing more accessible when I stopped trying to be Victor Hugo and imagined I'm telling my story to a classroom of mentally damaged 14-year-olds. Reader enjoyment improved dramatically.

>>25446188
I try to make my writing as hostile and inaccessible to retards as possible.

>>25446201
you're in the wrong thread, bakker

>>25446213
I'm simply fine with shaving off most of an audience I'd rather not have.

>>25446214
>audience I'd rather not have.
all of mankind?

>>25446214
Aren't you the guy who said Azarinth Healer is peak then went on to say he doesnt write for retards?
You're my current favorite thread personality

>>25446221
No.

>>25446227
Aren't you the guy who said Reverend Insanity is peak then went on to say he doesnt read fmc?
You're my current favorite thread personality

>>25446230
No, I only ever said I don't write for retards.

link me (you)r RR series

>>25446238
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/151748/clara-casewell-attorney-to-the-villainess

>>25446250
Do not read this, it's pee.

>>25446188
>I was able to make my writing more accessible when I stopped trying to be Victor Hugo and imagined I'm telling my story to a classroom of mentally damaged 14-year-olds. Reader enjoyment improved dramatically.
Okay, now actually share your stories instead of keeping them to yourself.

>>25446250
>>25446271
i will at least give my customary favorite/follow + 5 stars

I don't understand gifted.

Am I out of touch? How is this a mega hit? The main character is so fucking bland, why do people read this? Is it really just a need to see numbers go up?

>>25446420
See >>25442937
It also has some sort of mommy fetish.

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>>25446420
>The main character is so fucking bland, why do people read this?
Said in the same breath.

>>25446428
What?

>>25446433
They read this because he's a bland cardboard cutout.

>>25446422
>It also has some sort of mommy fetish.
So do I, but I'm not really into it.

>>25446453
You are sexually attracted to your mother? Wtf, anon?

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This is pure garbage

This is by far the best video on motivation I've ever watched. The best part is the practice actually works. Dropping it here if anyone needs it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmvBTDPzzaY

>>25446470
Mothers in general, not my own. Although maybe if she wasn't an uggo.

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>>25446582
how much does he pay you?

>>25446587
Just slightly less than what janitors get paid on 4chan.

>>25444278
to every sentence its paragraph

>>25444583
damn, iris is STACKED

>>25446582
>jeet yapping
No thanks. I'd pay to never have to encounter a jeet ever again.

>>25446606
she's 17, you sick fuck

>>25446610
out of 100

>>25444278
Let me casually tell you my life story in the most approachable way possible. I won't jump around the timeline. I won't leave things open to interpretation. And I definitely won't write above a seventh-grade reading level.
So grab a snack, get comfy, and let my corporate-approved casual voice carry you through this journey.
Don't think of me as some boring old narrator.
Think of me as a friend.
Actually, think of me as *you* from another timeline.
I know you. I see you. And I'll do everything I can to make this as easy and comfortable to read as possible.
You're autistic and have trouble reading between the lines? No worries. I'll explain every emotion and repeat every important point as many times as it takes.
I'll tell you exactly how I'm feeling.
*I'll spell out my thoughts in italics.*
"I'll even throw in some fun dialogue tags, just like those awesome books you grew up with," I promise warmly. "Isn't this nice? Isn't this so much better than that dusty old literature your teacher forced you to read? I know what I'd rather spend my free time reading."
I laugh and give you a reassuring pat on the back.
Condescending?
Who, me?
No way!
Dude, you're way too smart to be talked down to.
And if what I said came across that way, I'm genuinely sorry. I'm on the spectrum too, so sometimes my tone doesn't come across the way I intend. You understand, don't you?
Here, I'll throw in a couple of fucks and shits so you know this is a book for grown-ups.
Fuck.
Shit.
There we go.
Oh, and late-stage capitalism is bad. Corporations suck. Billionaires are cringe. We can all agree on that, right? See? We're basically the same person.
So you can trust me. I'm only human.
Just. Like. You.
Definitely not an LLM wearing human skin. Nope.
Anyway...
Mind throwing a few bucks my way on Patreon? I know how much you like seeing numbers go up.
It's not like a clever, passionate guy like you is too broke to pay five bucks a month to support a friend… right, buddy?

>>25446666
tldr
0.5 stars

>>25446587
>Feels™

>>25444337
Paid-by-the-page style

>>25446236
Yet you post here

i also post here

I do not post here.

What would Primordial Origin post?

I started reading The Primal Hunter and honestly it's about as bland in the first 25 chapters as my own writing.
It makes me think I too could have been Zogarth if I had started when LitRPG was new and there was no competition. Now I have to compete with ShamanicRhythm and other giants...
Timing is almost everything.

>>25447187
zogarth wrote like 150 chapters before release though

pretty crazy guy

>>25447153
>TOTAL INKMAN DEATH
>TOTAL ROCKMAN DEATH
>TOTAL BEASTMAN DEATH
>TOTAL FEATHERMAN DEATH
>TOTAL SNOWMAN DEATH
>TOTAL MERMAN DEATH
>TOTAL MINIMAN DEATH
>TOTAL EGGMAN DEATH
>TOTAL MUSHROOMMAN DEATH
>TOTAL HAIRY MAN DEATH

>>25447187
Maybe if you break out of the cringy edgelord trap the way he did.

>>25444337
it reads like a barebone script.

i genuinely dont understand how someone can write serialized works. the story would be ultimately lopsided in terms of its quality and direction wouldn't it? not to mention things like retcons, edits, and also in ways being subject to community speculation and how that would affect direction.
the experience of writing a completed work gets thrown entirely out the window

>>25447439
you can upload a finished complete work though. I largely did that with the first part of my story, but yeah that's how that goes. also not every story gets readers, active engagement ones. I know I don't.

>>25447420
Gemini says it is good and it just a minimal choice

>>25447187
Drama ruined it

Just came back and checked after a month of not posting anything, my followers went from 3 to 10. Quite odd.

>>25447750
ok now conceptualize the growth that you missed out on because you didn't post anything

>>25447760
Still less than 50, probably. Besides, my mind is blank. I don't even know what I'm writing about.

>wrote a chapter in which my MC loses a fight
>feel mildly upset and pissy the rest of the day
>tomorrow going to write the fallout of the loss and how angry he is and how that motivates him to grind harder

I think my readers are going to hate the chapter even though it's very action heavy.

>>25447782
Just remember that victories mean nothing without failures. It's good to have threats and enemies that are actually threatening and are actually obstacles to overcome. Otherwise they're decorations.

I have began yet another xianxia with zero mentions in the archive Archean Eon Art by IET

Why do korean novels get so terrible and rushed near the ending, this is like the the tenth time it happens to me and it almost feels like being scammed.

>>25447786
Readers don't want to see your MC lose.
They want to see them struggle, but win.

>>25447807
I also started this.
Because it has a donghua, "Demon Hunter".

>>25447859
Losing a battle is still tangible as a struggle if you're not retarded and know how to write a loss. If every time the MC loses a fight they lose all their shit and the winner fucks their girlfriend or something, yeah of course the readers hate to see that. The MC standing his ground against someone clearly leagues above him, losing, but still managing to prevent total loss and getting key information to make the rematch a victory is a struggle and foundational to a good 80% of Asian media (which is what pretty much every WN emulates).

>society is le bad, so i will travel 500 years to the past and shoot up a school
Reverend Incelity

>>25447917
You know I've staunchly refused to read RI but this may convince me to give it a shot.

>>25447917
jej
isekai in a nutshell

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>spent last couple weeks formulating and plotting how the next 3 chapters will pan out
>finally start writing it since yesterday
>come back to it tonight, several shots and vapes later come to the realization I can't power through the chapter wip because frankly I'm really just introducing yet another character that has no real on-screen presence and it's stonewalling my progress
Sucks when you realize something just doesn't work out after trying to plan out and finally acting on it, I can just omit it entirely but it feels so wrong since generally when I put it to paper, it just works. I guess before in my case I was writing and rewriting the same story version for a while so it was easier to inject new material and still keep the story consistent. But I can't do that here, or rather I got too lazy with not writing for a while. Fug man. It just knocks the energy out of you when you're forced to murder your darlings.

>>25448281
just write them to have screen presence then?

>>25448281
Sucks.

A chapter that was supposed to be just new year-themed comedy filler in my story snowballed into a 10-chapter odyssey in writing that ties satisfyingly to the main plot and I'm having a blast

>>25448335
that sounds extremely faggy

>>25448337
that's a very faggy thing to post

>>25447821
They're all pretty rushed. The authors often write them on the side of day jobs and the focus and drive to continue vary wildly along the way.

Even in my favorite wn, The Villain's Will to Survive, the pacing gets sometimes surreal. In the span of two 500-word chapters, the characters discover a volcano about to erupt, device a method to suppress the eruption, meet a bunch of people, fail once, try again, succeed, and wrap up a science expo and are then back home again. Even in any jap ln, that are pretty rushed themselves, that would take at least one full volume. But it's undeniably a page-turner.

>>25447821
Well, you're still reading korean stuff after this, you're an idiot. For what it's worth, the chinese and japanese stuff don't have great endings too. And kdramas have the same issue too.

Endings are hard. But I can't help it's some kind of netflix model. Like they give the creator more time and money to make sure the quality of the earlier chapters/episodes is pretty good. Once the audience get hooked, they won't care about the rest of the work.

>>25448358
Are endings hard? Surely, you have an ending in mind when you start the story. Otherwise it isn't a story.

>>25448425
Knowing how a story ends and actually writing it to satisfyingly match and wrap up the rest of the narrative are very different things.

>>25448435
Not really? Every single consequential thing that happens in your story should lead to the conclusion of the narrative. If you write something that doesn't, AND you write it such that it can't be edited out if it gets in your way, then you're retarded. GRRM being the most obvious example of this right now. Let your discovery writing take over completely and you just get an incoherent mess that leads to nowhere and resists and ending completely. You should just put your thumb on the weights whenever you get to inflection points; like, your sub-plot with character A can either lead towards the narrative's conclusion, or away from it. And it would be more authentic to the character to lead away from it. So you should put your thumb on the scale and pull them towards the narrative conclusion regardless, because otherwise wtf are you doing?

>>25448455
Ask me how I know you've never written a complete story.

Which xianxia had a good ending?

>>25448425
I had an ending in mind when I started but when I was actually writing the ending after all of the rest of the novel I had a lot of second guessing on if it was good enough or not.

>>25448435
>writing it to satisfyingly match and wrap up the rest of the narrative

thats called contrivance. And its only satisfying to you because nothing you wrote related or had no meaning to anything.

put in the work retard

>>25448488
What the fuck are you blabbering about, schizo?

>>25447957
thats funny cuz it reinforced me not to read it.

>>25448490
you can use s dictionary if you need to no ones watching

>>25448492
Just take your meds

>>25448495
good rebuttal you talentless loser

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>MC is a hero in a world corrupted by fear, hate and suffering
Why is this so cool?

>>25448520
>MC is a hero
Stopped reading there.

>MC is an antihero in a psychic energy farm

>>25446666
>And if what I said came across that way, I'm genuinely sorry. I'm on the spectrum too, so sometimes my tone doesn't come across the way I intend
Thank you for this virtue-signaling plague, Satan.

>>25447821
>>25448340
>>25448358
They're incentivized not to write good endings so readers will check out other stories on the site.

>>25448520
>MC is a hero in a world corrupted by fear, hate and suffering
Ishura?
Though there's no hero in there, not even the True Hero is a hero. Not even a Martyr is a hero.

>>25446666
>that get
>screwtape letters for /wng/cels
demonic

>>25448630
Who are you quoting?

>>25448640
Bot.

how long do you spend on your story a day?

>>25448715
15 minutes.
>too short
I find my best writing come out when I don't give a fuck.

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Fuuuuuck, I'm making myself cry like a little bitch with my writing again. When a story runs for too long and you grow attached to the characters, witnessing their big moments and looking back at the road traveled is just too much. My babies have come so far, oh jesus

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>>25448944
I was going to say cringe, but I have to end my story soon and I don't know how I feel about it.

>>25448968
>tranime
you should end your life

>>25448978
You are on a tranime website, tranny.

>>25448944
>>25448968
Is it story ending season or something?

Gotta say Immortality Through Array Formations has been the only book that scratches that RI itch, as weird as that sounds. It's so refreshing to read something that doesn't feel like a 100 other cultivation webnovels.

>>25449059
My story is simply drawing close to its natural conclusion. You can't kill a proto-godlike being without a fully formed godlike being taking note.

>>25449059
My story isn't ending. It's just that the long build up is starting to pay off and the characters who started off weak are applying the lessons learned and may reap the benefits. It's just glorious to see

>>25449080
That novel is garbage. Read my longevity simulator (fan translated version)

>>25449174
I've already caught up to the latest chapters on IMAF, my garbage taste might not be able to handle longevity simulator.

Anyone see a bigger train wreck than MMA: Magic Martial Arts? It started off top of the rising stars 2 months ago, got to 4k+ followers very quickly, but the author barely had anything written and started schizo writing and releasing a chapter per day which quickly became barely legible, would also actively argue in the comments which probably resulted in the interesting average review scores, last update from 18 days ago is 'NOT A CHAPTER - PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU START DOOMING - Semi-hiatus notice'.

Searching for most recent releases is both depressing and motivating.

>>25448715
4 hours, working up to 8 hopefully. Currently putting out mostly-"finished" 2-3k words a day. I really need to get up to 8k, mainly because my web novel isn't the only thing I'm working on, but IDK if that will happen.

>>25449232
It's what happens when a guy writes a thing that accidentally becomes popular.

Gifted seems to be blowing up like crazy.

I picked up Return of the Runebound Professor and read a few of the books, I think 4 or 5. It was good at the beginning but I think I’m done with it now. Should I start with Gifted then? I haven't read that other popular one too, Archmage Coefficient?

>>25449232
What was his publishing rate at first?

>>25449232
>check inside
>has grammatical errors right there in the blurb
why would anybody read this in the first place

>>25449317
Before you read Gifted, please consider the following question. Are you okay with reading several chapters where the protagonist grinds out levels before he's even born?

>>25449327
No I am not. That sounds stupid conceptually.
>several chapters
>several
Absolutely not. Thank you for telling me.

Recommend some web novels.

>>25449387
Need a bit more from you. What do you like and dislike?

>>25449329
Don't waste your time. Gifted is a domestic drama. Mc was a bedbound, disabled person in his previous life, abandoned by parents, he died when he was 18 years old. When he was alive he had no parents and no family, he did not mature emotionally and intelectually, from what I understand he was almost retarded. He then reincarnates in a new world and is adopted by big breasted blond beauty and her stereotypical strict on outside grandfather. The entire novel is basically one big trope and a mommy fetish. Target audience are mentally stunted people with severe family issues. The plot, pacing and progression are all terrible, they might as well not exist at all because as previously mentioned 90% of the novel is just drama between mc and his mother.

>>25449398
I like whatever is objectively good and dislike whatever is objectively bad (in respect to quality).

>>25449440
Mother of Learning, A Practical Guide to Sorcery.

>>25449456
>A Practical Guide to Sorcery.
>good
LOL

>>25449317
>I floated along in one of the gently flowing currents of the ocean of souls. The experience was how I imagined it must feel to fly, pulling me along like a cloud in an airstream, not a care in the world. Beneath me in the depths, something massive swam, outpacing the stream I found myself in. In its wake, my own current buckled for a moment, but I wasn’t afraid in the slightest. Something that big in the ocean of souls was undoubtedly a Guardian, patrolling for anything that shouldn’t be here, which basically meant anything that wasn’t a soul waiting for rebirth.
I read the whole first chapter hahahahaha what the hell is this? "Level 100 unborn fetus"? Do people just like the creativity?

>>25449463
Yes, it's pretty good.
>>25449464
Oh, first person? That's at least a bit interesting I suppose. But everything else points to being slop. The unborn fetus doing training is just so dumb.

>>25449464
I unfortunately read 7 chapters of it. slop like this getting 8.7k followers in 2 weeks is retarded

>>25449480
I'm trying to figure out wtf is appealing about it, it's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Do people LITERALLY just have a fetish for numbers going up? Is it some weird Asiatic obsession with being born academically superior to your peers? I am genuinely confused (and also laughing my ass off).

In the comments the author said the protagonist isn't going to be an adult until book five lol. An entire book of a mega genius baby counting numbers to grind levels.

>>25448944
This is why I write with a box of tissues next to me. All my emotional stinger hit me for critical damage when I write them and again when I re-read them.

>>25449232
This is why I have a very strict policy for comments, interactions with readers, and a persona I use for such interactions. I don't want to argue with readers nor get into parasocial relationships. I'm writing a story, people can read it or not, and if a comment really pisses me off I can just block the commenter, delete it, or ignore it. But engaging in anything but a positive, aloof way I consider problematic and try to avoid it as much as possible.

>>25449490
>In the comments the author said the protagonist isn't going to be an adult until book five
Just what the fuck. Is it like…botting? The more I hear about this the more baffled I get. I understood the Archmage genre trend but this one is a puzzle.

>>25449490
>Do people LITERALLY just have a fetish for numbers going up?
Yes. The RR audience tends autistic and immature and they want to read power fantasies (hence why cultivation and litrpg and opmc are always at the top of the charts).

You're supposed to use them to give you an initial boost to your AMAZON launch, where the audience is more normal and you have a chance to ACTUALLY pop off like DCC did.

It is what it is. The overall population of "people who read for leisure" is extremely tiny, so it's actually a good thing and impressive that there's an active MARKET of people who will not only read this stuff, but pay for it on patreon and amazon/KU.

>>25449490
>Do people LITERALLY just have a fetish for numbers going up?
YES! ..however progression in Gifted is genuinely bad, nobody who is into numbers going up will is gonna bother with this novel.

What is a good “numbers go up” story? I don’t think there is such a thing. At least, I've not seen it.

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Half the chapters are about the mc feeling bad for not telling his mother about his magic.
Just how much lamer can this novel get?

>>25449507
BTDEM and Azarinth Healer.
Primal Hunter maybe but it feels kinda flat to me at chapter like 25 but I'm willing to read the first volume in its entirety before dropping the series.

>>25449518
I didn't like Azarinth Healer or Primal Hunter. I don't know what BTDEM stands for. Could you elaborate more on it?

>>25449496
I have been looking at the most recent fictions some and a ton are obviously AI written without being tagged and some that have positive reviews have reviews which are all extremely generic and say basically the same thing. I hate ai everything is fucking fake now.

>>25449500
I am, genuinely, grateful for them and want to give them something fun and enjoyable but what the fuck lol. I feel like they're doing themselves a disservice.

>>25449501
What's an example of good progression? I'm trying to make sure my story hit what people want out of progression but I cannot bring myself to do actual litrpg. I might use the table shit to keep track of the protagonists equipment and very-not-systematic self-studying, which will increase in power monotonically.

>>25449500
>>25449490
I thought most people wanted to read about cool dudes being badass and this story just blows my mind. All the reviews are like "I love stories about babies!" What the flying fuck?

>>25449508
I can't be fucked to look up this slop, is his family not well off or something?

As in, are they barely scraping shit together?

>a story about a baby progressing through a system from when he was an unborn fetus
>8000+ followers in 18 days
lol

>>25449524
Beneath The Dragon Eye Moons. It's another healer-fighter isekai story with a female protagonist. The setting is kind of interesting and it has a lot of good fights and levels going up but the relationship parts are flat and the end gets very repetitive and uninteresting when the MC runs out of actual threatening challenges. The story was intended to go longer but the author called it good at 16 volumes and left the series open to continue later, maybe under a new name, but then he melted down over unrelated things and I don't know if anything is coming out any time soon.

Number go up may simply not be for you if you don't like AH or PH.

>>25449534
The first few chapters must be VERY well written. As in compelling, not as in snippets of prose you can screenshot and laugh at here.
Wise anons will study the first chapters of fictions that pop off hard like this.

>>25449564
>he melted down over unrelated things
Such as?

>>25449564
>Number go up may simply not be for you if you don't like AH or PH.
That's probably it. Fair enough.

>>25449564
There's also what I call shop-likes. Stray Cat Strut and Magical Girl Gunslinger don't have levels or stats. They gain points (number goes up) from killing monsters and completing objectives which they spend on weapons, upgrades, abilities and supplies (power progression).

>>25449567
Prose wise they are probably AI assisted. The initial 15 chapters or so lead up to the reveal of magic. Then the magic gets introduced and it's the worst and most simplistic magic system ever.