The Shadows Out of Time Edition>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recommendations):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Banned Authors:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious: >>25442189
Lovecraftbros stay winning!
What happens if we discuss a banned author?
I hope you die faggot ass jumping the gun OP.
>>25447606They should just re-publish it, split into 5 light novels.That's what they did with the German ASoIAF release, and they charged full price for each volume kek.
>Book starts great, a masterpiece in the making>Prose better than 99% of modern fantasy writing>Lovable and interesting characters>Suddenly it turns into the most generic court drama ever>With the most generic villain ever>With the most uninteresting and superficial, magic system, lore and worldbuilding everSigh, it was so fucking great until they reached Cardegoss. I'm 50% through now and I don't even feel motivated to keep reading anymore, it's just so boring now.
>>25447615You can discuss Hitler on 4chan.Not a very good writer though, so I don't see the point.
>>25447619I felt like this when I read the 2nd Dark Tower novel as a teen. I was appaled.
>>25447615Name 1 banned author.
>>25447615Thread janny might throw a fit.
>>25447453You know all the actual writing is done in your brain, right? Typing takes up maybe 5% of the process, so the medium is practically irrelevant.
>>25447615Science-fictional space AIDS
will it be made to make sense?
>>25447638Oh okay.
>>25447615It would be extremely painful.
>>25447630Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe
>>25447663>>25443572 Hmmm.
>>25447615A retard calls you a newfag and then breaks his limbs into pretzels trying to pretend he's literate.
>>25447602>C.J. Cherryh>Glen Cook>Steven EriksonGood bait.
>>25447665It's in the OP, man. I don't make the rules.
>>25447663Based, we simply discussed these enough already
>>25447602>Giant alien abominations with no discernible physical similarity to human beings from a distant star>Still manage to make easily recognizable, books (albeit massive) that any human would look at and go "yup, that's a book alright"???
>>25447666You tell 'em, Satan.
>>25447615Newfags who think they are literate become shocked to learn other books exist outside of ASOIAF.
>>25447675Blame the artist, really. They're supposed to use weird tablet thingies kept in a case.
>>25447676>t. the retard in question
>>25447686I'm on your fucking side, faggot.
>>25447689Satan literally means adversary.
>>25447693You got trips. 666.
>>25447675Exobiologists believe certain biological features are optimal under most conditions, so the eyes of Aliens are probably similar to the eyes of earth animals. Maybe books are like that, also.
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>>25447704And now his ban is ended.
>>25447698Ah. Didn't notice.
I hope this thread this deleted.
>>25447727SAAAAAR, PLEASE TO BE DELETED THE THREAD NOW SAAAR
>>25447737Dalit.
>>25447602Cute yithies
>>25447616>old thread only on page 6So I assume OP was getting BTFO'd and wanted to break the reply chain by making a new thread instead of getting reamed for several pages.
Anyone know why Orbit 18 may be harder to come by than the other Orbits by Damon Knight? 20 seems a bit hard too.
Gojo Satoru vs the strongest guy in the last fantasy/sf book you read, who wins?
>>25447791Dollar Store Ban Mido.
>>25447675>>25447682People today would see this clearly obvious mistake and say AI doesn't know what an alien book looks like and can't generate one.
What's good about Chronicles of Thomas Covenant?
>>25447675no different than a bird making a nest
>>25447837Nothing
>>25447837Everything
This book was a pleasant surprise. Not even sure how I came across it but I ended up enjoying it a lot. Finished it the same day it's sequel came out by chance and enjoyed it as well.
>>25447924...................
>>25447927I know nothing of discussion around this book, or author, I've simply read the books (the third of which apparently came out yesterday). Please tell me why I'm a faggot for enjoying them.
>>25447799What's this, Get Backers?
>>25447936Yeah.
Is this a good place to start with Robert E. Howard? I'm open to Conan but horror is my favorite thing. This collects his Lovecraft Mythos stories and some other horror work from him.
hwhwhs
Sorry, my the site messed up for me. The text that was supposed to accompany that image was meant to say "Literal anime character traitor motivations, its possible this is explored deeper, but this is classic retarded archetypical anime character, who is inexplicably evil because he takes things absurdly to heart and therefore blames innocent people for shit that goes wrong in his life, who (usually) exists just so that the main character can say the obvious right and reasonable thing, that you shouldnt blame innocent people who are tangentially related to your misfortune for your misfortune because they could be nice and cool people, as the protagonist proves that by being unrelentingly nice and accommodating to the traitor character. Sometimes if the anime wants to be really edgy, they'll make none of the main characters efforts to be nice matter, and itll be some sad tragic story about how the traitor character couldnt let go of the demons of his past, even if he tried and the main character tried his hardest"Now, I honestly can't see anyway that Pasevalles can be made into a reasonable character with complex motivations that can actually be appreciated. Now that i have that impression though, my expectations have adjusted immensely, I already knew this, but I know this even more now. The characters...are not particularly good or interesting or deep. Fortunately this is not that bad of a thing because the strongest part of the series has always been the mysteries of how everyones different motivation connects to lead to...??? That [???] is what keeps things interesting, us learning new things, and characters learning those things, and seeing their reactions to those things and what it means for the characters and their perspectives.Thats basically why I'm not freaking out so much about this. I'm still much more mad about the king's power being superficial and one vassal state inexplicably having a degree of power that simply doesn't make sense without either a civil war, or the kings lack of power leading to problems.
>>25448074
Unlike other genres, fantasy is about the characters
>>25448074Spampiggy, please fuck off for forever.
>>25448131What does this image have to do with that post? Surely you're not implying what I think you're implying
I spent my whole life making writing my career, and now that I’ve actually done it, I’ve realized that I fucking hate writing.
Can we make this our next "hey this is good, let's all read it until everyone has so we can start hating it for being too popular" book?
>>25447666NOT TODAY, SATAN
>>25447954>I'm open to Conan but horror is my favorite thing.Check out Kane by Wagner.
>Author has an established series of award winning short stories>Suddenly a decade later he wakes up and decides: Ok, novel time. We're doing novels now. >It's mediocre at best or bad at worstExamples: Cugel's Saga, Swords of Lankhmar, Foundation and Earth
Finished. I definitely didn't like the 2nd book as much for all the reasons I listed. It gets even more contrived towards the end, with the afterward literally basically just saying "Out of nowhere more Thrithings come to overwhelm everyone" The Thrithings chase Miri, the Thrithings kill Duchess Canthia (I fucking knew Jesa would be made a permanent POV, I should have seen it coming) I cant even remember a reason why Miriamele ultimately decides to go east away from the port, she even says that she could be ambushed, if you're gettng ambushed either way, what does it matter?and it doesnt seem to matter, since Canthia was supposed to be headed towards the ships and somehow was ambushed by Thrithings??? Wtf isnt the port towards the city? Where the fuck did the Thrithings come from? Its also odd that theres no real border or armed soldiers patrolling. Blurs the lines between what territory exactly is the Thrithings and Nabbans, and you might say "well thats the point!" but no, youd be retarded, look at Israel right now, settler colonies dont just leave the borders undefined, thats sort of the entire point of a settler colony, to create defined borders.Honestly I'm just glad Jarnulf is still alive, I was waiting for his death the entire time for something shocking to happen. I mean Tanahay died I guess? But it happened so...silently I didnt even process it until Morgan's final chapter.I realistically can't give up on the series, as much as the length makes me dread some of future contrivances. But I'm definitely taking a break. Pushed myself through like 200 chapters to finish and it felt every bit forced on my part. I'm once again scared of long books.
>>25448252Such is life nigga
>Tad Williams, Brandon Sanderson, George R.R. Martin, Terry Brooks, Joe Abercrombie, Terry Goodkind, Robert JordonAm I missing anything if I haven't read anything by any of these guys? Most of what I read is more traditional pulp sci-fi/fantasy. Like when I watch youtubers talk about fantasy books I feel like I'm in a whole different world lol.
>>25448368novels sell, thicker the better. it's no coincidence publishers have historically favored door-stopping trilogies.
>>25448393I have this feeling Terry Goodkind and Tad Williams are totally overlooked these days.
>>25448313I'll be reading this soon but I think it's too standalone and short to get that kind of treatment.But maybe we can get manchild-seether to add it to his list.
>>25448411retard
>>25448427I see it's working already
How many goodreads reviews am I going to read where some reviewer and seemingly the author themself as implied by the quote, think this is a riveting revelation to spit out.
>>25448398There's plenty of authors who were much bigger 20+ years ago or who never had some pop culture breakout series. Guy Gavriel Kay is the go-to example.
>>25448411You wouldn't read anything good either way, Bakkerfag.
Why the fuck does every description of Bound and Broken in a review make it sound like the most generic slop garbage ever"It has lore and mythology! elves and dragons and dwarfs and everyting!"It had me on the edge of my seat! I cried sometimes, you wont be able to put it down!""Morally ambiguous motivations, characters that feel CAPITAL R REAL (that the capital r is my own embelleshment)""Epic Battle Scenes! Plot threads from spun from the start being unraveled!""Its about redemption, love, sacrifice, pain"What fucking fantasy book does this not describe? Fucking generic slop goodreads reviews.
>>25448456it's the same situation as the sun eater. people who never read the books those were blatantly inspired by think they're reading some hot shit.
>>25448427Don't forget to update the grid.
>>25448398they deserve to be
just finished book 8 of the dungeon crawler Carl series what is the correct opinion for me to have about it? god I wish I had a psychotic yandere godlike stalker bf
>>25448682>what is the correct opinion for me to haveSeems like you need to go elsewhere where that's important to people there.
>>25448692it's seemingly incredibly important to you lot though
>>25448348>The Bookkane of
>>25448137>Fantasy has more mainstream popularity than sci-fiIn what world?
>>25448444War is le bad, anon.
>>25448682It was a filler arc with not much happening. It's a low point in the series after an all-time high.
Friends. I have observed these threads for some time now. I have a feel for which authors we dislike….but who do we actually like?
>>25448737SF is dead, but fantasy never dies.
>>25448758Please I am going to Barnes and Noble today and want to pickup something!
>>25448775I like Terry Pratchett
>>25448758>we
What epic fantasy series is super niche/unpopular, but has one of the strongest cult followings (is still discussed to this very day) that kept that series alive all these years?
>>25448775Reynolds
>>25448775Anything from Gollancz SF or Fantasy Masterworks.
>>25448782Ook?
>>25448837Damn, even apes can read now. Wild times.
>>25448848It's the Century of the Fruitbat, anon.
>>25448682The series is falling apart since Dinniman went Hollywood
>>25448878It's not exactly that.In one of his postfaces, he mentions how overwhelming his sudden "best-seller" status is. It's one thing to write shit for free and post it online, it's another when you're a writer with an international following:>Everything is different now. Writing something that you know will be read by literally thousands of people is goddamned terrifying. Without naming names, I understand now how some people can get…clogged.Take that, GRRM. You fat fuck.I think it's getting to him.>HollywoodPeacock show and Seth McFarlane is involved. It's going to be so fucking shit.
>>25448682>spoilerRead "The Stress of Her Regard", please.
I just finished picrel, what did I think of it? I think it is a little overrated, innit? Some of the stories were alright, and I especially like how easy it was to read since I needed something relaxing at the moment, but I fear I will forget this very soon. Did anyone else read it and has thoughts to share? Did any story leave a particular impression on you?
>>25448908I liked Hell is the Absence of God. In general I think Greg Egan does this sort of story better.
Anyone read this? Imo surprisingly good for dystopian science fiction > 1990.Finally good all first editions apart from the PoD stuff that was never released otherwise.Not in mint condition but I'm planning to read the series a couple more times in my life so whatever.
>>25448775I haven't found a book I like yet brother, I'm still searching. When I do I'll let you know
>>25448908>>25448912I've read some of Stories of Your Life and Others and felt the same way. I also found Egan's stories to be much more memorable.
>>25448775Dick
>>25447602>1st person>3rd person limited POV>3rd person limited POV alternating charactersrank them in terms of overdoneness in SFF, 1 being most overdone and 3 being rarest
>>25448908the three shorts which are most memorable to me are Story Of Your Life, Understand, and Tower Of BabylonI told the Tower story to my pastor the other day and he had a good laugha lot of them are nihilistic or antichristian however so I didn't like those as much
>>25448908https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=41160292
>>25448908I read three or four stories from his "Stories of Your Life" collection and was not particularly thrilled.>>25448837OOK.
>>25447619This is a skill issue on yóúr side.
>>25448954I write my fantasy as 3rd person omniscient.>>25447619I really should read old fantasy, then rewrite it in the context of my world.
>>25447645Yes. It will be made to make sense by yóú. Yóú must make it make sense.
Yóúóú
>>25448998nta so its actually kino game of thrones tier politicking?
Reviews don't usually bother me, but after reading I Who Have Never Known Men and looking at GR I feel like I'm losing my fucking mindIt's bad enough that a book about isolation, questions without answers, being denied meaning, etc. has reviews of people saying shit like "why did nothing happen? why wasn't it explained?"but the reviews that believe it's sexist, or racist, or backwards, or believe the child should have rejected her longing and embraced female empowerment to eat-pray-love her way across the wastes, jesus fucking christ, they're infuriatingare these people even human? how is it even possible to misread a book so badly? it's like reading Lord of the Flies and wondering "why didn't they just form a democracy?"
>>25448980Whenever I see this posted I always expect there to be a message at the bottom saying they were banned for trolling or w/e
>>25449046The post is still up.https://www.17thshard.com/forums/topic/84544-unpopular-brandon-sanderson-opinions/#comment-843315
>>25449055I like Sandy’s writing :)
>>25449042>Reviews don't usually bother me, but
>>25449042>are these people even human?I know how you feel.
>>25448313Cool as fuck cover!I can't wait to discover that it's available nowhere.
>>25449085>>25449042>there's only ONE valid interpretation of this text, and it's mine
>>25449042>I Who Have Never Known MenStupid modern reviewers aside, how is it? It's pretty short so I might read it.
>>25448313>>25449099Yup, and there we go!Cunt bastard publishers.
>>254490999780380715244if you live in the US you can get it for 15 bucks
>>25449102This isn't a matter of interpretation. Being angry that a CHARACTER isn't outraged at something like you would be if you were in their shoes is mental illness.Being angry that a CHARACTER (who isn't you) doesn't aspire to the same things you do is mental illness.But you're just baiting anyway so who cares.
>>25448313I had started it months ago but lost interest, might be time to pick back up, it is a bit of a weird one.
>>25448313>read book>accidentally learn how to no-hands orgasm
>>25449112>Being angry at someone being angry that a CHARACTER isn't outraged at something like you
>>25449083Even if I really love a book I don't usually feel a kinship with it, so if a review tears it apart or badly misinterprets it then who gives a shitand if I hate a book then i don't care what other people think at allbut this book meant an awful lot to me, it just felt so effortlessly profound and emotional and *human*, so it's bothering me more than it should>>25449102it has nothing to do with interpretation. i'm upset at some people's inability to understand different contexts and put themselves in someone else's shoes, and i'm especially mad at the unearned confidence they have in their judgments>>25449107It's great. It's isolating and bleak, people struggle with meaning and have to live without answers, but its overall message of "and yet we press on anyway" is just so beautiful. A book you're unlikely to forget.
>>25449123>I Who Have Never Known MenYour autobiography? If so, I understand why you're so mad.
>>25449127i am not a 66yo with ovarian cancer. at least i don't think i am...?
>>25449132But you think like one.
>>25449134thank you
>>25449110The life of a Europoor is defined by ceaseless deprivation.
>>25449139You can still get most editions but shipping costs are dogshit. Still better imo than playing the worldofbooks/betterworldbooks/thriftbooks lottery especially with the shitty packaging where every book arrives at least slightly damaged.
>>25449123>It's isolating and bleak, people struggle with meaning and have to live without answersSounds good to me.>A book you're unlikely to forget.Don't oversell it, though.
garbage retard thread lmao
>>25449310
>>25449310Always is. Always has been.
>>25448348>KaneMaybe in our lifetime, anon.
>>25449310?
>highest rated review is a one star by a woman
>>25449470even better when they're a women of color. i am shutting my mouth, i am listening, i am learning.
>>25449107https://www.goodreads.com/group/show_book/1029811-sffg?book_id=60811826
>>25448775Can't go wrong with Sando
>>25449610I dunno bro, didn't his last book have a fag romance or something?
>>25449577Fuck you, "Ben", I won't use your shit.
>>25449614Well, GRRM also writes fags and he is well regarded here
>>25449620yeah but he kills them off and makes fun of them
>These authors are banned from /sffg/You can't enforce it, non-modjanny BITCH.
>>25449042>read collection of 5 short stories>stories 3-5 involve MC being captured by a quasi-immortal entity King and mind-enslaved for a number of years, doing his bidding (leading men into battling, capturing land, individual recon, etc.)>only freed when an army marches upon the country the King ruled and drove him away>even then, the King entity frees him willingly and voluntarily chooses to leave>one of the few reviews is by a woman, complaining that the MC didn't "try hard enough" to free himself from mind enslavementof course it was a 2*
>>25449626based
>>25449626It's Baynefag upset that nobody is talking about his amazon self published slop
>>25449620>he is well regarded here
>>25449653If it were Baynefag then JRR Tolkien would be on the list.
>>25448775I feel like very few people who read Lem actively dislike his work.I'd recommend Fiasco, but a Barnes and Noble probably only has The Congress or Solaris, either one of which is also fine.
A BAYNEFAG JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
>>25449620>talking about a banned authorp-please, stop. We'll be in trouble.
>>25448980>"unpopular opinions">basic truisms, evident to anybody with a modicum of senseIs it generally like that on moderated discussion forums / social media? A tyranny that forces you to deny truth is one thing, but must everyone also pretend to be fucking retarded?
>>25449688>Is it generally like that on moderated discussion forums / social media?It's not just that really, Sanderson is well-regarded across the wider internet. People that like Sanderson really, *really* like him, and so criticisms like the pic you responded to are in fact considered unpopular opinions within the fandom.
>>25449688Have you not seen the way this specific thread and this board behaves toward the more popular trad-pub authors?
>>25449577Is there a setting or way to use this type of link but only view ratings and reviews? i love my fellow anons like brothers but i can't be bothered to use this feature because i have to pick through dozens of entries for what shelves a book was assigned to by some guyand as i'm looking closely i'm seeing the sorting is so fucked. the first entry is from last month, then an entry from 2015, then the rest bounce between 2020 and 2025 without rhyme or reason. what on earth
>>25449715https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/21187874-why-this-group-exists-and-how-to-use-it
>>25449722so the answer is 'no'? why not just type that isntead
>>25449730Maybe I don't understand what you want then. If you want an overview for every book that all 1000 members have read in totality all at once, then no, that's not possible. It can only be searched one book at time. The listing of the books on the shelf is the monthly books. If you don't mean either of those, I don't know what you mean.
>>25449730I guess you mean filtering it out. No, that's not possible. Also it broke a few years ago to where it's a much more of a mess now. It's just how it is. I'm sure it'd be possible to make a script to filter out what you don't want.
>>25449715Userscript.
>>25447602The Revenant of Surolifia is Chien's debut standalone novel from Rising Action, an indie press owned and ran by women. This is a gaslamp fantasy that's suffused with political considerations, though the focus is on relationship drama. The aesthetic is decidedly European, with the Belle Époque of France being the strongest influence.This isn't a romance. There's a single scene of two men kissing with implied sex, which is odd for several reasons that would require an in-depth analysis to explain. The few other intimate scenes are heterosexual and are more foreplay than anything else.The journey is what matters, not the destination. That's a nice way of saying that the plot is mostly set-up. For a trilogy that would be understandable. That makes this is a relatively small story that only hints at wider grand events. It does well in making it all seem meaningful and significant though.The most salient part of its political fantasy is whether working inside or outside against the system is the better choice. The two leading male characters are meant to show the clash between these perspectives, though one of them is far more active about it than the other. There's a lot of angst from both of them, but less direct involvement with each other than I expected. Then there's the female main character who may represent something related to the stated political argument or not, but either way she's important and does a lot, so much so that it made me wonder how much that the central argument mattered. That's one of many narrative choices in the story where I couldn't tell to what extent it was subversion, novelty, and/or suboptimal writing.The magic system is basically the manipulation of physical and mental attributes, along with one guy 100s of years ago who could control space. It's a convenient and versatile system, which relative to what it could be is barely explored. The physical aspect allow for doing stuff like making clothes more flammable, reducing the friction the of ground, and turning dust into a shield. It also can alter people. The mental aspect is for entering minds as a magical virtual space and doing various things, or just destroying their minds outright.I've buried the lede. This a very dramatic, theatrical even, story. Chien explicitly says in the acknowledgements that she wrote this as an anime. I believe that explains much of the disconnect between how serious the novel believes itself to be and what it actually is.I liked all of the characters and I found their tangled interplay and relations to have been intricately crafted. It was fun even when it was silly. The serious parts are nuanced, considered, and pragmatic. I really enjoyed that. I believe it would've been better to commit to being a melodramatic anime or serious political fantasy because trying to be both didn't serve it well. That being said, it works well enough.Rating: 3.5/5For more, go to Goodreads, which includes the author's response.
https://www.goodreads.com/group/book_search/1029811-sffg?utf8=%E2%9C%93&search%5Bquery%5D=
>>25449764>For more, go to GoodreadsWhy would I want more?
>>25449754i asked google's AI and it recommends uBlock which is pretty funny
>>25449773>i asked google's AIso you're retarded
>>25449786It's pagespammer. It's to be expected. Any questions or statements that are amazingly stupid usually are.
>>25449769
It is time to discuss the self-published author Brandon Sanderson.
I'm never going to read Pierce Brown, Scott Bakker, Brandon Sanderson or George R.R. Martin no matter how much or how rabidly you shill them. HAHAHA! Sorry! Not sorry! I just won't ever never, never ever read them ever! TEEHEEHEE!! Shill away, I'm STILL never gonna read them! HAHAHA! And it's all YOUR fault! I might have initially engaged with them at some point of my own free will but you just HAD to be so obsessively, blatantly, endlessly annoying in your shilling of them that I JUST WON'T EVER READ THEM NOW AS LONG AS I LIVE! HAHA!Good job, dipshit.
>>25449822K.
>>25449822200 IQ free will enjoyer
>>25449822Uhhh... based.
>>25449822RENT FREE
>>25449831I don't even know what that is or what it'sevenin reference to, so clearly it doesn't exist in my head rent-free. HAHAHA!
>>25449822>I JUST WON'T EVER READ THEM NOW AS LONG AS I LIVE! HAHA!How about after, then?
>>25449861Thankfully, I'll be dead by then so I won't have to.
>>25449786ok how would you do it then
>>25449865>he doesn't know
>>25449871You don't get to read books in hell anon.
>>25449873What do you think the romantasy genre is for then, pray tell?
>>25449877Anon... reading a book you don't like isn't "torture" hell is being disemboweled and fed your own shit and entrails whilst being boiled in magma for all eternity.Quit being cute.
>>25449880>Quit being cute.I can't fight my very nature, anon.
>>25449869Describe exactly what you need and ask it to write the userscript for you. Use 3.1 Pro.
Should a fantasy author want to write mythology, historical fiction with magic, or something else?
>>25449896oh i see. i didn't actually ask it to write a script, i asked if one was available. in truth i didn't even ask the AI, i just googled it and forgot to do -aithe main purpose of my post was a hearty chuckle that google, through ai, was suggesting adblockers. pretty sure neither of those work in chrome any longer
I want to buy the leatherbound Mistborn era 1!
>>25448507On it
>>25448456Sounds pretty gay desu."Killed and born again to a fantasy world, Melas finds herself as the daughter of a dangerous criminal.Her mother is a spellcaster, her magic banned throughout the continents of Soli and Vitae. They will be hunted by the Church, shunned by their peers, having to fight both people and monsters to survive. When faced with inquisitors, slavers, terrorists, and more, Melas will have no choice but to overcome them to seize her own destiny, or fail and run from it all.Thus begins the tragedy of a girl from Earth, murdered unfairly and cast into an even more unfair world. For while cursed into this terrible fate, one small blessing will aid her throughout her story, and it's the wish granted to her before her rebirth:Make me the most powerful spellcaster in the entire world."
>>25450056No fucking way its an isekai too holy fuck so Bound and Broken is simply the latest trend capturing slop?
>>25450038Add Bayne.
I listened to the audiobook of fourth wing from graphic audio. I had no idea romantasy was so…so…graphic with its sex scenes. I had to blush!
>>25450038Add The Prince of Nothing.
>>25447932>>25447927I also saw it and thought it might be worth a read, if it's shit, please tell me why, I really wanna avoid sinking 300 pages and realizing that no, it doesn't get better.
>>25449118PLEASE ELABORATE
Chronicles of Amber is really good so far. I don't want to get ahead of myself because I always do, because I try to be positive and see the good, and Im also literally only 20 pages in. But this memory loss gimmick so far is a very cool way to introduce information in a non boring way that maintains or even heightens interest.
>>25450103I can't tell you for yourself. My perspective is not yours. I implore you though to read the good reads reviews of the 2nd book and make your judgement for yourself. If you're not put off, then I see no reason you couldn't enjoy it.
Sepiaman is becoming Amberpilledthat is, until he sees the wrong review, and then... well...........
>>25450094You sound resentful
>>25450174KILL YOURSELF, pagespammer.
>>25450038Why The Reverie from Peter Fehervari instead of something like Fire Caste? Why is it even there? I'm genuinely curious, it's a niche book and the only reason I know about it is because I used to read 40K slop. Did you just get annoyed from someone shilling it?
I can't help but think that Pagespammer would be far happier if he simply read acclaimed standalone books rather of chasing the illusory dragon of the epic doorstopper sf/fantasy series.
>Le Morte d'Arthur>The Once and Future King>Idylls of the KingWhich one is the best retell of the Arthurian myth?
>>25450215Le Morte d'Arthur of course
>>25450215I give it to numero dos
>>25450215depends what you mean by "retelling"accurate but not the original? Le Mortemodern subversion? Once And Future
>>25450227>>25450236The best story is what I mean. Le Morte d'Arthur is so fucking old though, I don't feel like reading it right now. Is TOaFK more like modern fantasy books? Are there dragons and magic?
Should I start The Dragonbone Chair? How does it compare to GoT (I've only watched the show)?
>>25450215Tried Le Morte, found it unreadable. Malory was more of a prisoner with a lot of time on his hands than a writer. Once and Future King takes a lot of liberties. I'm going to start Howard Pyle's version soon
>>25450241>the dragonebone chairboring shounen YA power fantasy slop, no literary merit or interest whatsoever
>>25450248What the fuck? This is the first time I've seen someone be this critical regarding this book. Can you expand on that? Is it really power fantasy? I despise those, I thought it was more like GoT.
>>25450251I'm autistically hyperbolic as a rule but there's no reason to read that slop, there's nothing going on there
Go read Dostoyevsky, Dickens, Flaubert, and not that fantasy crap, kids.
>>25450271even modest genre staples are better than dosto, dickens, or flaublegh
I've been on a militar sci-fi kick.Ancillary Justice by Ann Leckie (sort of, it involves a warship ai and an officer, but it's pretty much just sci fi with some military colors)Old Man's War by John Scalzi (first 75-100 pages is the movie Cocoon, but once you get past that it's pretty interesting so far, the not-ftl they use is kinda wild.)Poor Man's Fight by Elliot Kay (i did all five of these, and i'm not sure i love it. I don't love the main pov character's gary stu qualities, but the premise otherwise is fantastic.)Vanguard by Jack Campbell (kinda the same negative as Poor Man's Fight, pov characters do no wrong, are honorable and capable beyond anyone else, but beside that i enjoyed all three books as part of this. I haven't touched The Lost Fleet yet, though)The Red series by Linda Nagata (there's a pattern, but at least in this it's part of the plot that the guy with plot armor has it because the macguffin called The Red is doing ai stuff for him and to him and that's what causes it, a little more millitary than sci fi compared to the pervious ones.)besides the obvious ones and the older examples, anything recent catch your eyes, anons?
>>25450241Yes. It’s good. Unfortunately it’s caught the attention of certain YouTubers so naturally the contrarians here now hate it.
>>25450207That's like giving up on 70% of both of these genres though. It's more series than standalones for reasons we all know.
>>25447663Oddly alphabetical.
>>25450334Which youtubers?
enjoying this
>>25450271>Dos of toe of yevskiKek
>>25450382what's it about
>>25450382>>25450392I should spoil the book. It's about a guy who reads minds. It's kind of shit. The cover has nothing to do with the story. It's barely sci-fi. The guy lives in 1970's New York.
>>25449764your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
>>25450323Read Cook's The Dragon Never Sleeps.
>>25449764Your REVIEWS are GOODSTAY HERE
>>25449764>genresFantasyAdultEpic FantasyQueerLGBTPoliticsFictionAdventureQueer FantasyScience Fiction
Why do modern covers suck so much? This isn't even close to the worst I've seen, it's at least not some minimalist garbage. I feel kind of petty complaining about covers but It's something that still bugs me when I try to replace older stuff I've lost.
>>25450413because about a decade ago your basic cover would run from $300 to $500. I'm not even talking an art piece, but rather "abstract with a fitting font" kind of approach. add to that the need to be clearly legible in thumbnail size and you understand why covers are ass. you basically have to get limited print runs for old style artwork.
>>25450412I'm always hesitant to just go off based on tags because some authors are clearly gaming the system to get attention.
>>25449764>only has good things to say>3.5/5If you did this anywhere else, it would get you attacked in public.
>>25449764His account is just a review troll.
>>25449764this was LLM generated
I think bronze age fantasy is going to be the next trend. Are there any major titles in that area already though?
>>25450453All 700 of "his" reviews are LLM generated.
>>25450419Just depresses me. I'm surprised anything catches anyone's eye with how bland shit has gotten. Of course given that people only read what others tell them too that might be a moot point
>>25449112I think a lot of modern readers expect characters to be "literally me" and are annoyed to see this isn't the case. It's strange, sure, you can come to identify with a certain character, but this is only by chance. It's awfully narcissistic to want to read a book with people that act and think exactly like you. Where's the fun in that?
>>25450110The memory loss will turn out to be more than a cool way to introduce information. You'll see.
>>25450498Self insertion is a plague. The idea of a character being relatable used to mean you understand their motives and personality. Now it has to be LITERALLY ME!
>>25450323>anything recent catch your eyes, anons?Troy Rising trilogy by OH JOHN RINGO NOSimplistic and the rear books are boring but altogether quite funAnd you should have done Honor Harrington yeah?
>>25450395>It's barely sci-fiAnd yet Silverberg criticized A Scanner Darkly for exactly that same reason.
>>25450323>>25450526I guess that recommending Bill Galactic Hero or The Forever War would be a waste of time?
>an indie press owned and ran by women
>>25448368Saga was just as good as the last book.Swords of Lankhmar is a good novel, better than most short stories.
>>25450537Real men aren't scared of women, anon.
>>25448394And sff is all the lesser for it.
>>25448393Williams is the only one of those guys worth reading.GRRM is only liked by faggots whose only other reference for fantasy is LOTR and The Hobbit and think it's some groundbreaking series because characters die or whatever.Shannara is just an LOTR knockoffGoodkind is only good for a laughSanderson is only good if you like MCU slopAbercrombie is only good if you ever thought "what if fantasy characters talked like Wheddon characters?"Jordan fucking died before finishing his magnum opus.
>>25450555I like the Outer Limits adaption of Sandkings and I've heard Game of Thrones is like I, Claudius (one of the best tv shows ever) so it can't be all that bad
>>25450241>>25450251nta, it is not AT ALL like ASOIAF. There is one schizo in these threads that keeps whining how Tad Williams is this misunderstood genius, and GRRM stole all his ideas from him, but that's just bullshit. There are a few surface-level plot similarities, but style, structure, and the overall "feel" is entirely different.I also agree with the other anon that MST is boring; characters lack agency, nothing ever happens, and god oh god so many fucking words.
>>25450550those "women" aren't women, anon
Incredibly based that the banned authors are recommended by the op
>>25450596And you're not a man.
>>25450241>Should I start The Dragonbone Chair?It's above-average compared to most other 1980s fantasy... too long-winded for most people thoughMy favorite fantasy series from that era is The Fionavar Tapestry by Guy Gavriel Kay
>>25448918as usual, something that isn't ultra popular or some meme garbage gets completely ignored.fuck this general, I hope the pagespammer is staying for a looooooooooooong time
>>25450550>If you're scared of women, that means you secretly want to fuck women!
>>25450413i dont know, personally i blame digital art
>>25450667I'm scared of spiders...
>>25450056>did I just cast a spell... with my freaking mind?!Why was anon even looking at this?
>>25450323The Council Wars by John Ringo was fun. There are four books but I would only read the first three. And even then, the first two are of a higher level of quality.Northworld trilogy by David Drake has bodysuit mecha.>>25450444Yev adds books before he reads them and he's done this the entire time? Lol.
>>25450271>d-dickens is-isn't fantasyReally?
The replies are as expected, which is why I waited for the appropriate thread to do so. >>25449769Why indeed? It's unusual for a author to comment though.>>25450425I don't see it that way, though I did eventually round it up to four stars. Most of what I was critical about came afterwards.>My review + commentary would take 4 full posts,https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25413378#p25421170As I've explained before and after, but I wouldn't expect you to have seen it:>I'm more effusive with praise with debuts>>25450422>There's a single scene of two men kissing with implied sex, which is odd for several reasons that would require an in-depth analysis to explainQuite right.>>25450444>not even sorted by rating to show 1 star reviewsNot a good time for that narrative really considering how much I've been rating 5/5 lately. >>25450453>>25450466LLMs generating reviews with plot accurate details for books that won't release for months? For books that are many decades old and near 0 ratings? For other obscure stuff? Truly they've come far. >>25450692>adds books before he reads themWhy, yes, I do. This practice is known as the "to-read" shelf. It's a rather common approach.
Glory to Yev
>>25450504>Now it has to be LITERALLY ME!But not in first person, though, because it makes brainy go hurty.
>>25450696I've also written about multiple self-published books by anons who've posted them in this thread and talked with them outside of the thread. That one tourist trying to self-promote here really didn't like what I had to say, especially not in email correspondence. He definitely thought I was trolling since everyone else in his discord group loved it and didn't have any criticisms, especially not of the content.
>>25450719>everyone else in his echo chamber loved it>has a meltdown when facing criticismsMany such cases.
Why is it so hard to find actual good fantasy books? It's doesn't even need to be better than LotR and TBotNS, just be on the same level.
>>25450907I feel like we're missing a breakthrough fantasy novel from our generation. Martin and ASoIaF just ain't it man, for any reader with higher critical thinking this series is mediocre, not bad, not great, just mediocre.
>>25450916This is where I come in and say "fine, I'll do it myself". Just wait a few more years and you'll be reading one of the greatest fantasy novels ever written.
>>25449764I wish more people posted reviews in general for the group, but I appreciate it when those that do actually get me interested in reading something.
>>25450918>schizo competition
Fantasy books where the heroine and main romantic pair of the protagonist (male) is a strong, smart and independent woman and not some helpless princess that needs the hero to save her? (No feminist shit though).
>>25450926A Game of Thrones, unironically
>>25450936I already watched the show.
>>25450936he said "no feminist shit"you'll notice that other than Cersei most of the women in ASOIAF are generally good guys, and most of the men are evil>>25450926Discworld is fairly balanced most of the time. Pratchett was a centrist who had a dim view of liberals. It was only after his daughter and ghostwriter took over that his books went to ratshit.
Anyone given RJ Barkers new book a look? Seems he is jumping on the fantasy murder mystery bandwagon
>>25450941The books are better and have greater depth.>>25450943Catelyn, Arianne, and Dany all made a lot of mistakes, and Ned dies because of Sansa having a naive teenage girl moment. If anything I think George calls himself a feminist but makes very realistic, fallible female characters. Even if they all perceive themselves as having good intentions they make brash, irrational decisions as frequently if not more than the male characters do.
>>25450918I should update the list of reviewers sometime and do more with it. It takes a lot of time to go through almost 1,000 accounts though.
>>25450907>Weaveworld>Imajica>Titus Groan
>>25450968>>Imajicawhen people who don't normally write fantasy give it a go results are at least interesting
>>25450907because serious writers dont write fantasy
>>25450955Fallible is not the same as evilGRRM always makes sure to provide all his female characters with complex reasons for when they do stupid shit, most of the time for the usual feminist writer's reason of "they looked down on her for being a woman so she was butthurt about it so it's not her fault!" (which is the main defence for Cersei)And there are very few (if any) women in ASOIAF who are outright monsters like Gregor and Amory and Vargo et alSimply by creating this preponderant imbalance a feminist agenda can be pushed without ever explicitly stating itShow don't tell, see
>>25450982Nice delusions
>>25450988>no argument
>>25450981The Frieren manga is literally better than 95% of fantasy books. It’s not a genre issue, it's a problem with literature in general.
>>25450918I recognize the third guy's Disciples avatar and he writes decent reviews, but also reads comics he doesn't review. Filler, maybe?
>>25450968>Titus Groanit's so boring, nothing happens except library burns down
>>25450980Horror writers do tend to make the best fantasy, or at least the best fantasy writers have dabbled in horror.
Sauron vs The Night King, who wins?
>The name of the entire series is a reference to him>He's the most honorable character in the series after Ned's death>He's one of the strongest characters in the entire series>He has the most important past in the entire series and is the heir to the iron throne >GRRM: Ackshually, let's just make Jon cower and hide behind a wall during the entire final battle while fucking Arya saves the day with a knifeWow, Bravo, George, bravo!
>>25451059George didn't have much involvement with the TV series. Basically none with the later seasons. He's been openly very critical about them and it's caused a lot of drama.
>>25451027true
>>25450696>not even sorted by rating to show 1 star reviewsMoron doesn't realize I just opened the page and took a screenshot. Very first 4 examples showing ratings 2 stars lower than his contemporaries on every fucking book.>LLMs generating reviews with plot accurate details for books that won't release for months?How are you reviewing a book with reviews containing plot details if the book isn't released?
>>25451102>imagebakkerfag-tier tattling bitch post>How are you reviewing a book with reviews containing plot details if the book isn't released?he gets ARCs (you can google that)
Oh boy thanks Mr Sanderson I sure do enjoy gay romance in my epic fantasy that's what every high stakes plot needs perhaps in the next volume you could describe two fairies getting poop on their dicks from anal sex
>>25451112Grow up.
>>25451112You don't like gay interspecies relationships? What the honk is wrong with you?!
>>25451102is this guy serious?
>>25450500Hopefully because I got bored of it by chapter 3
>>25451112mods stop this man he's a bigot!!!!
Starting to think that one guy who thinks Tad Williams is great and GRRM is shit is a literal and unironic retard, one of those "old good new bad" retard types that lack any actual critical thinking that would easily pierce such a binary. The way he talks about GRRM suggests he dislikes him because hes popular and mentioned more than Tad.Also Tad is a shit character writer, one of the things people like GRRM the most for. It's easy to assume some insecurity on your part.
Anybody read CS Lewis's Space Trilogy? Currently reading Out of the Silent Planet. The setting is extremely comfy and the writing is good. But it seems to be entirely in service of his tepid religious message, which I suppose was to be expected from Lewis. He would've benefitted as a writer from having more schizophrenic religious beliefs. Are the sequels any good?
>>25451102You're going too hard on being intentionally ignorant. Consider a better way and try again.
>>25451135Yeah, the thousands of sci-fi books about how robots must have souls or about how the vastness of the universe prove that SCIENCE!!1!1!!!1!! Is the only thing that matter sure are better themes.
>>25451161>guys guys I pretended to believe in the bearded man in the sky not like those redditors do I fit in yet XD?
>>25451062ThisOr as Andy Weir somewhat acidly put it, "you get your money and if you're lucky a ticket to the premiere"
>>25451161I'm not opposed to religious themes in scifi/fantasy; I just don't find Lewis's spiritual/religious beliefs interesting. They are inoffensive and bland.
Are there any female warrior type books of the Red Sonja variety? Preferably on the sexy side, not necessarily erotica but it's okay if she boobs breastily to the dungeon>>25450395The cover is so based they had to use it for something
>>25451244pay a visit to pornhub buddy
>>25451252It's blocked in my state. Also I said not erotica
>1 hourhow highly do booktubers think of themselves. youtube really lets people upload this shite for free.
>>25451282youtube needs to bring back the 10 minute upload limit
>>25451107>>25451119samefag
>>25451282An hour is nothing. There are 5+ hours videos on a single series.
>>25451282it's just background noise, mate
>>25451282You're the idiot engaging with the content by giving it clicks and views thus ensuring more of it gets made.
>>25451305I don't give a rat's ass.
>>25451307you showed him
>>25451307You obviously do, you made the post.
Just started The Dragonbone Chair, Simon is so boring, I hate those happy-go-lucky protagonists. But the setting is interesting at least.
The Dragonboner Chair haha
Is the Hugo award still prestigious? Are any of the nominees and winners of recent years worth it?
>>25450693One fantasy tale doesn't make you a full-time fantasy writer.
>>25451341Not since the late 1970s.
>>25451341It's a fan vote that costs $50 and has around 1,000 people that vote. It's as prestigious as you're willing to believe it.
>>25451341don't think so
>>25451341Avoid N. K. Jemisin, she's a terrible writer but there was that period in the 2010s where they kept throwing awards at her because she was a black woman writing epic fantasy.Most of the other winners are at least okay books
>>25451432Not that white men (Sandy, Wankker etc) write epic fantasy better.
>>25451441I'd happily read another 100 Sandy books before touching another Jemisin book
>>25451445>>25450550
>>25451441They do <3
>>25451344>I've only slept with a man once, it doesn't mean I'm gay!Riiiiiight.
>>25451514Other than A Christmas Carol, you've never read any Dickens.
>>25451523I never said otherwise.
>>25451523Not true, I'd read David Copperfield, Great Expectations and A Tale of Two Cities
>>25451527And where's the fantasy in those exactly?
>>25451530The fantasy where you imagined having a sex life
>>25451534BOOOOM
>>25449470>>25449570if GR foids and trannies are review-bombing a book, especially one written by a straight white male, you know it's good.
>>25451535>Approx 90 seconds afterYou cannot BTFO your own post samefag.>>25451523>>25451527>>25451530>>25451534>>25451535Too be honest, the post interval for all of these are suspect. Why is this faggot arguing with himself.
>>25451735>tranny mad
>>25450699hell, same
>>25451059The biggest theme throughout ASOIAF is showing the differences between reality vs. story, history vs. legendThe legend of what happens at the wall will be that King Jon Snow slew the ice man with his big sword, saving everyone. We know the truth. The entire book is full of that shit
I want the leatherbound stormlight archive!!
>>25451130I'm pretty sure I'm the guy you mean, but I never said I hated GRRM. I think Williams is superior for a bunch of different reasons, but they're different flavors. I wouldn't want to read a Tad rape scene, GRRM does combat and action a lot better, and GRRM is excellent at large scopes, though is less good at more common sense worldbuilding (I think this is deliberate, he likes his literally larger-than-life stuff)One thing that is objective is that GRRM owes Tad Williams a great deal for ASOIAF and it was his primary inspiration. For some reason this triggers certain people, but GRRM is on record saying it, and it's also very obvious. It's like saying Robert Jordan owes Tolkien a lot, it's not controversial or strange.
>>25450699>reads current year popularity>takes votes on what to readHe wasn't reading for other reasons lmao
>>25451806>reads current year popularitySome of what I read is sure, though that's mostly because I was already reading the authors. Otherwise the popularity doesn't matter all that much. Most what I read of the current year has relatively few ratings and will probably always remain obscure.>takes votes on what to readIt's been a while since I've done that. I would do another vote, but there's too much that I want to read right now.
>>25451317there's no payoff except that the totally-not-elves-but-also-not-ayys are just assholes instead of being chill
>>25451910>>25451910>>25451910
>>25451912Way too early. This thread could still be here 24 hours later.
>>25451920Last OP kept letting the thread die. We're running a tighter ship now.
>>25451507>looks at GRRM, Brando, and AbercrombieNah.
>>25451920It's baynefag baking early so he can put his retarded list in it.
>>25451256Use a VPN then
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