The Roads Must Roll Edition>Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recommendations):https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb>Banned Authors:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe>Archive:https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg>Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffgPrevious:>>25447602
>>25451910>C.J. CherryhI only drop in here every couple years, what's contentious about cherryh? she's profilic, quasi-digestible, solid both at worldbuilding and creating plausible interest-based conflicts between individuals.
>>25451925It's just one guy trying to bait engagement.
>>25451925Furries
>>25451910Add Ada Palmer to that list. And Lois Bujold.
>>25451949the picture is starting to come together./sffg/ op bans authors that inconveniently don't suck guess we'd better add hannu rajaniemi
>>25451949Why not a blanket ban on women?
I just finished Ubik based on it showing up on a bunch of the pdfs in the mega... that was an awesome book.Thanks for the recommendation.
>>25451974Have you read any other Dick? He has other books of similar quality.
>>25451978I also read Do Androids, really, really liked that one as well.Might do A Scanner Darkly next, just started Hyperion this morning.
>>25451944I don't like them any more than you do, but if I were trying to write for a living I would swan-dive that particular moneypit
I want the leatherbound stormlight archive!!
>>25452001then buy it nigga
>>25452004Aight my N(I don’t use curse words, so I just say N).
>>25451949Ada Palmer hasn't been mentioned here since pagespammer stopped reading terra ignota
>>25452008Damn what a nice and cordial fellow
ok here you gohttps://www.dragonsteelbooks.com/products/the-way-of-kings-leatherbound-book
>>25452056Thanks my N
Looking for suggestions to fill out the chart.>>25450197I actually like the Reverie quite a bit, and I liked Hegira too. They just fit the criteria of fantasy/sci-fi with literary pretensions.
>>25452101>Looking for suggestions to fill out the chart.just take every good sci fi novel published between 1800 and 1997
>>25451974I need to try that one again. I fear I wasn't ready for it when I tried a decade ago. That was a whole frontal lobe ago.
Fantasy publishers should be able to kill authors who are like five years behind on their new installments.
>>25452101The entirety of Sanderson's catalogue
>>25452101The entirety of Bakker's catalogue
Started reading The Dragonbone Chair and holy shit, this shit is so fucking boring. The first 100 pages are literally:>Exposition>Simon acts like a retard>Exposition>Exposition>Long ass descriptions of useless things like castle walls and rooms>Simon acts like a retard again>ExpositionWhat an awful writing. I'm sure it gets better later on, but this is a really bad start.
>>25452258>I'm sure it gets better later onit doesn't
For classic sci-fi/fantasy, which big name authors do I need to check out along the lines of Wells, Verne and H. Rider Haggard?
>>25452281E. E. Smith for his Lensman series, basically the grandfather of space opera. Might be insufferably optimistic nowadays.
>>25452271Bro and the worldbuilding isn't even creative, the dude is literally just copy pasting real races/societies and renaming them, like the Rimmersmen are clearly the Nords/Vikings, Erkynlanders are clearly the English and the main religion is clearly Christianity. Even the names of the fucking months lacks creativity, dude literally replaced November with Novander and December with Decander, like LMAO! I get a feeling the Sithis are quite literally Tolkien's elves as well (but small?), let's see if I'm right.
>>25452258novel is almost 700 pages long. back then authors didn't try to grab the writer in the first 50 pages with some insane shit to get them quickly invested. basically, author is aware it's a slow burn and takes his time.
>>25451925I like it when stories get their own songs.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEBVNVcAXhU
>Martin was almost 50 when he started writing ASoIaFIt's never too late, bros.
>>25452298Calling it a slow burn is being really generous. Nothing has happened, really. The closest thing to a story event so far is an event, and even that hasn't really caused any forward motion in the story as far as I can tell. Everyone is still in the same place doing mostly the same stuff as when the book started.I can't identify with most of the characters. Simon, for instance, is ostensibly the main character, but I can't help but think he's just a weird, lazy asshole. He shirks his work for no other reason than that he doesn't feel like it. He goofs off all day doing stuff that makes no sense to me. He's kind of a creep where women are concerned. I'm wondering why on earth this is the guy we're focusing on. I haven't been given the opportunity to get to know most of the other characters, either. The only character I can actually identify with is Rachel, as she's the only one who's had any kind of tangible motivations.The descriptions he gives of surrounding areas and places are baffling to me. He just throws around an endless stream of meaningless names that I have no context for. I just forget all of them and I don't seem to have lost anything for it.
>>25452312Yes, but lets not pretend he was an unknown until then. Not to mention extensive editing experience.
>>25452297>I get a feeling the Sithis are quite literally Tolkien's elves as well (but small?), let's see if I'm right.
>>25452319No one here was alive (or an adult) during those times to know for sure whether he was famous in the cultural sphere before ASoIaF or not, don't act like you know for sure.
>>25452317because you're supposed to reference the map on the inside. there's a reason fantasy novels came with those.
>>25452317That's not an uncommon reaction to Simon, though lol that you relate most with Rachel, that's pretty funny. I hope you finish the series because you'll have a lot of good times if you like her already.Simon is very immature at the start. He's written accurately for a 14yo scullion and they are often annoying and stupid too. The point is to see the contrast of Simon now vs. at various points to see his massive growth. You're not meant to like him yet.I find Williams to be an excellent describer of location, I'm not sure what you mean by meaningless names. Like, proper nouns? As with any fantasy book you're not meant to absorb it all at once, at this stage you should be paying attention to the ways names are similar, that'll help group them together in your mind. You could just look at the map, but over time it'll make sense.The sithi are only similar to Tolkien's elves in the sense that they both pull heavily from fae of legend. The sithi are substantially more active and interesting and play key roles in the story than in LotR at leastMy advice would be to make it to meeting Binabik and a chapter or two after that. If it still hasn't grabbed you then don't force it
>>25452101Red Rising and DCC even though I like them
>>25452317Simon isnt really the main character, it can be argued that there isnt one for the series. Josua is more important overall and is a classic hero type character. Simon was never met to be liked or relatable as he is a 14 year old kid.
>>25452206The solution is simple : Dont buy unfinished series.
>>25452206What CAN publishers do when author just doesn't write? Mind you, he signed a contract for how many books the publisher expects out of him. The likes of GRRM can basically do whatever because he's a cultural phenomena, but how is Rothfuss getting away with it?
>>25452481He probably threatens to kill himself daily so the publishers ignore him in the hopes he'll just go away. As much as GRRM irritates me, he isn't as much of a scummy hack like Rothfuss.
>>25452481sue for breach of contract to recover advance payments, cancel future book deals, withhold unpaid milestone funds, or legally release the author from their agreement. it's usually the last because they realize they won't get anything back.
>>25452101>retard misunderstands manchild core completelyManchild core is what 4chan /lit/ browser manchildren deem as high literature, hence why BOTNS and Blood Meridian and le based ra lafferty are on the chart
>>25452481>>25452483grrm really is in the best possible position for a writer. everyone tolerates him because even when not writing he still makes them money.
>>25452298Fuck those covers are good.
>>25452258>>25452298Do they actually do stuff that's just not related to the main plot or do they literally do nothing for 700 pages? Because for me personally a book about that's just random disjointed events that only come together later sounds awesome.
>>25452523it's very deliberately slow, slice of life shit for the first I don't know, 200-ish pages
>>25452298>>25452317>>25452341>>25452527I wonder how that happened. We went from fast-paced pulps to door stopping trilogies and whatever stage we're in right now.
>>25452258>I'm sure it gets better later onIf only. Simon is a complete retard, and never gets better, not even in the second series, which is set decades later.
>>25452341>The point is to see the contrast of Simon now vs. at various points to see his massive growth.NTA, but I started The Last King of Osten Ard, and Simon is the same whiny, indecisive, lame bitch he used to be thirty years ago.
>>25452541I honestly don't think much has changed. People still think you need to publish a trilogy to be recognized as a legitimate writer. It's simply never been easier to go the independent route and eventually get picked up by a publisher.
>>25452541Trilogies got popularized because of LOTR's publisher (which is funny because Tolkien himself had written LOTR as a single book). 3+ book doorstopper series became a thing because of R*bert J*rdan's Wheel of Shit.
Bakker is the GOAT.
>>25451944>3 books out of 30>written in the 80sGet better bait
>>25451974Ubik is a fun book.Now read Simulacron-3.>Douglas Hall is part of a team that builds an artificial environment to simulate reality. This enables them to get public opinion polls without waiting for the opinions of people around them. But then something goes terribly wrong and his partners on the program start disappearing. But is it a simulated disappearance, or is someone out to get them all? And what is the true nature of reality?
Bakker is SCROTE
>>25452101Are you the same guy who did the Horror rec grid? Because it's fucking shit.
>>25452298>it's supposed to be shit!I see.
>>25452804It's not better or worse, just how long novels were done back then.
>>25452814>just how (awful) long (fantasy) "novel" series were done back thentad williams has never written a single phrase worth the time it took to read
Tadbros... we are being humiliated again...
>>25452826Makes me want to check out some overlooked series from the period. Like Ethshar, for example.
>>25452836all of the best overlooked work of that era was in short fiction, go read anthologies edited by gardner dozois and ellen datlow for a representative cross section
Philip K Dick article in the Financial Times. That's something that doesn't happen often https://archive.ph/uoKTe
>>25452862oh speaking of science fiction did u read that ray bradbury ass short story that happens on august 6th last week? it was a good story
>>25452862>His novels themselves often threatened to unravel — featuring convoluted plots, ideas sometimes leading nowhere and misogynistic portrayals of women, all wrapped up in unenviable prose.lmao ft throwing mad shade on dick. they don't even like him, they're just using it to whine about successful american entrepreneurs as europeans are wont to do. let us know when the eu has an ai lab that can even approach an open weight chinese model never mind and american frontier model. miss with the eurowhining thanks.
>>25452870>August 2026: There Will Come Soft Rains" (1950)here:>https://users.wpi.edu/~zrbutzke/Docs/BradburyStories(1).pdf
>>25452872The authors are American
>>25452206haha
>>25452874>Henry Farrell is an Irish-born political scientist at Johns Hopkins University.>Dan Wang is a Canadian technology analyst and writer, specializing in contemporary China.[i didn't even need to look them up to know they weren't american, but thanks for lying, really adds to your credibility.
>>25452882They work at american institutions so I assumed they were american.
Any kino mind control books?
>>25452889Carrion Comfort - Dan Simmons
>>25452206Book idea: a fantasy world where sufficiently well written prose magically becomes reality. A king gets pissed off waiting for his favorite magician/author to pen his desired reality and orders him killed. At no point in the story will the magic author ever write anything.
>>25452894how about more neurological-tech type sci-fi. Not dystopian per se
>>25452510>because even when not writing he still makes them money.How?
Blood over Bright Haven
It is TIME.>time?Yes, anon. Time! Time to discuss the little-known obscure niche self-published author, Robert Reed.
>>25452976https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24193112#p24198803
Just finished Second Apocalypse. There is no way that R. Scott Bakker is not a closeted gay guy,
>>25451910The Demon Star - Jesse Aragon (2026) The Demon Star is a debut standalone science fantasy novel with horror elements. It's one of the most impressive and ambitious debuts I've ever read. If it had maintained its peak quality it'd be among the very most enjoyable books I've ever read. Even with its flaws its better than most anything else. It's sort of like arguing the quality of the top 25 vs top 5 out of 500.When the annual eclipse caused by the Demon Star arrives The Church of the Black Sun harvests people as an offering to the six gods. Marking those who are to be harvested is a priestly duty. It began when they were conquered centuries ago. The powers used at that time deeply scarred the world. The High King still rules, though in name only.Brother Jacen, a disgraced priest, exorcises vermin-like demons that literally crawl into people. He's one of the most powerful telepaths, but due to a tragedy he's fallen to nearly the bottom of the church rankings. Others expect nothing more from him than to be in a state of constant drunkenness. A nameless 14 year old girl whose potential surpasses his own has been assigned to him for training. When a novitiate joins the church their memories are erased. If they proves their worth they're allowed to regain their identity.Ysira is possessed by a demon of immense ability. She's lived on the outskirts of society working for a mysterious man of foreign origin ever since it happened. The consequences of what she did in her youth will be far greater than she could've ever imagined.I'm not saying anything about the plot because I believe it's better to go in not knowing much. The reveals are wonderful and epic in scope. I love the ambiance of the setting. All the major characters are great and even the minor characters who are only briefly present are meaningful additions. So much of it reminds me of other books I've greatly enjoyed without seeming too close to them.The story is told in three parts, each of which could've been their own book for how much they cover. This is a fast paced book that gets stuff done. The first part is extraordinary with how it sets up everything so quickly and completely. The second part is where the only problems come in, which are only relative to the greatness of the other two. The pacing here is more like it usually is in a massive novel. This causes there to be pacing whiplash in both entering and exiting the second part. The third part, and especially its climatic sequence, is a masterpiece. It's definitely one of the best I've read for a long time. The final chapters are grand. I couldn't have asked for better.I don't want this to be a standalone. If it is, it's among the best I've read. If it isn't, and it maintains this level of ambition, then it's the start of a truly awesome series, in every sense of the word. Regardless, I await whatever comes next from Aragon. She has the potential to become one of my all-time favorite authors.Rating: 5/5
>>25452883>they work at american institutionsYou're supposed to assume they're Chinese or Indian.
>>25451910Has anyone read the Draka series?
>>25453057https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search&ghost=false&search_text=draka
>>25453057TUGTUGTUG
>>25453048>le evil church tropeI'm so FUCKING TIRED of that! Fuck off!
>>25453068So.it doesn't matter what they worship or how they do so? Are you a pro-religion absolutist? If so, it's nice to know that you support Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Raelism, Paganism, and Hellenism in equal measure.
>>25453082What the fuck are you on about? I never said any of that, I said I'm tired of lazy authors using that trope for their villains. We've already seen it hundreds of times, it's not original, not creative, just pure laziness, either that or the author has a political agenda against organized religion.
>>25453082damn br0 anon said ORGANIZED RELIGION = GOODhow can you come back from that?
>>25453086Your personal concerns have been heard and acknowleged.
>>25453101By who? A nobody like you? That's the same as nothing.
>>25452323The first book was published in 1996. I'm pretty sure there are oldfags who might know.
>>25453048This literally sounds like retarded anime slop. The "14 year old girl with even high potential" gave it away. I'm sorry, you might be a retard that likes slop
>>25453140Yeah that dumbass is retarded to think nobody alive today and here could have known george before ASOIAF
>>25452323This is one of the dumbest posts on the fucking website right now.
>>25453144Yes.
>>25453048Are you the same anon who gave Blood Over Bright Haven a 4/5? https://warosu.org/lit/thread/25246401#p25248240I'm just wondering how much I can trust your reviews.
Now that I'm reading more fantasy books I'm realizing the genre is way less creative than I first thought. Most world and races are either derivative of Tolkien or old myths or just renamed from real life. Even Martin falls prey to that, a lot of his books are just retellings of real historical events with a coat of fantasy.
>>25453151No, I tried reading that around when it released and I didn't have any interest. You can check what else I've written by looking in the archives or goodreads. As to whether you can trust my reviews, that depends on what you mean by that. If you mean that you'd enjoy it as well, then no, I don't believe you have enough information for that to make an informed decision.
>>25453153Agreed. After a while, it becomes difficult to start a new book, because reading the summary of it, if feels like you already encountered all of those plot points before, so there's no point in even reading it.
>>25453162ntaWhat a miserable mindset.
>>25453159>You can check what else I've written by looking in the archives or goodreadsI don't know who you are. Not that I particularly care. But just saying. I can't look up someone I can't identify.>As to whether you can trust my reviews, that depends on what you meanDon't overthink it. I just meant if anons give a book a high rating, then I'm more inclined to try it myself.A post from earlier just put Blood Over Bright Haven top of mind. So I was only thinking about how bad that book was, and how I'll never listen to anyone who can say that book is good.
>>25453169>I can't look up someone I can't identify.Skill issue. >I'll never listen to anyone who can say that book is good.Mental issue
>>25453169>So I was only thinking about how bad that book was, and how I'll never listen to anyone who can say that book is good.NTA It's not just the book thats bad. I think the author is also just bad. He's one of the current trending authors that puts out slop lately
>>25453168Sorry, but I'm looking for new and novels stories. Not the same story retold by a different author.
>>25453153Keep us posted, Bakkerfag.
>>25453176M.L. Wang? Pretty sure she's a lady. Couldn't you tell by the way she wrote the male lead in that story?
>>25452836I can vouch for this one, it's a very funny anti-fantasy but without the references or british humor of something like Discworld
>>25453179You're a bit too late for that. That was already the case before writing existed.
>>25453048your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
Threadly reminder to report and ignore newfag spammers like >>25453199 who purposely make off-topic inflammatory posts in bad faith and has done so for four years running.>>21323327
Glory to Yev, hero of /sffg/
>>25453048>Look it up on good reads>Both "queer" and "LGBT" tagsYuh-oh...
>>25453219>Look it up on audiobook bay>gay and lgbt tag>Scroll down to comments and see pic relatedHmmm, I dunno... Poly stuff is pretty cringe too.Aw who am I kidding? I'm desperate for anything to read right now, so I'm going to try it.
>>25453082Le church bad is a pretty cringe trope. It comes down to order vs. chaos. Religion represents order, its absence represents chaos. Either extreme is bad. Order=bad stories are usually stories about how much you either hate your parents or want to kill the jews. If it's a fantasy novel where the MC is a 14 year old girl, then it's probably a story about how much the author hates their parents. Which is the worst version of the two.I think religion/order=good stories are much more interesting, because they're about struggling against the merciless nature of the world itself, rather than against arbitrary human oppression.Although, the modern world definitely has too much order to it. But stories about how much your hate your parents probably don't have much relation to that. If anything, those stories tend to be about how you actually want more order, you just don't want your parents to be the ones to bring it. I.e., they're not about the problems of the current state of the world at all, and if anything, taken as guidelines, seek to reinforce its problems.
>>25451974Next level is Palmer Eldritch. Or if it's too hard go read Electric Sheep.
>>25453233if you think that depicting religion as bad is about hating one's parents, then you still have a very immature understanding of why people dislike religion.
>>25453241if you can't even comprehend something the length of my tiny post then you're probably functionally illiterate
>turn on the TV>it's another "Christian judges everybody as hard as possible in between baby sacrificing sessions" episodeYawn.
I have a pretty good idea for my fantasy book, the problem is that the ending is kinda controversial and will make people hate it despite being a god-tier story. Spoilers if you wanna know the ending: the main character will get cucked after nearly dying to protect the woman he loved. What do you think? Should I change this to appeal to a broader audience?
>>25453243I understood that you made a the same lazy assumption that many people do when they encounter anti-religious sentiment. You immediately reduce their sentiment down to teenage angst. It's the same prattle I've heard a thousand times.
This is why I also post what I write here. I get far more replies when it's anonymous than when it isn't on Goodreads. There are several others reasons why that's the case though.
>>25453247love interests are a really lame motivation for characters
>>25453247I think that's what Tad Williams wrote in Memory, Sorrow, Thorn that's being talked about. It's more common than you think and there are a lot of complaints about it here from a vocal minority.
>>25453248let me sum up my post for you then, since you seem genuinely too illiterate to understand it and I am too obstinate to let stupid shit I shouldn't care about goI explicitly stated that I think religion=bad. but that most religion=bad stories are actually just about how the author hates their parents. you interpreted this to mean that I think religion=good, because you are a retard. and obviously also lazy, because you retards just can't stop accusing other people of being what you are.I am a genuine fedoralord with many fedora friends and acquaintances over a very long time, and I would say roughly half of them are unironically motivated by spiting their parents. these are also the same people who have gone full-blown feminism/LGBTQ/"atheism+"/etc. as a replacement dogma, because they don't actually think religion=bad, they just think their parents religion=bad and want it replaced by their own religion instead. and what does a 14 yo girl fantasy MC in a LGBTQ-tagged religion=bad story smell like to you? does it actually smell like religion=bad, or does it smell like my parents' religion=bad? I guess this will be your second iq teste of this interaction
>>25453249>I get far more replies when it's anonymous than when it isn't on Goodreads.wat
>>25453253>Memory, Sword, ThornIn which book does the cuckoldery happen? I'm 100 pages in and Simon doesn't even have a love interest yet.
>>25453271>I get far more replies when it's anonymous [ie. on here] than when it isn't [ie.] on Goodreads.
>>25453251Why? Love is one of the biggest aspects of the human experience.
>>25453278I don't get it.
>>25453282Okay.
>>25453233>>25453268original poster The 14 yr old girl isn't a viewpoint character, let alone the MC. She's a secondary character that exists for the character development of the stated viewpoint character.
>>25453286Oh wait, I do get it. Learn to use parentheses, faggot.
>>25453291#gottem
>>25453282There's more discussion here than on Goodreads for what I post. Usually there's none at all either place.
>>25453291I didn't write it. Just being a good Samaritan. :^)
I'm not gonna lie, I decided to start reading books because I thought they were better than anime/manga since you fags are so entitled and have such a huge superiority complex, but most of this shit is awful, it's worse than your average isekai manga, you lit fags are such pseuds.
>>25453296A blessing on anyone who seizes your babies and smashes them against a rock!Psalm 137:9
>>25453268I will admit, that I would have bet on the notion that you thought religion=good. However, I didn't actually assume that. I didn't actually accuse you of any being pro religion. I only accused you of making poor assumptions of people who are anti-religion.Even accepting that you are anti-relgious yourself, you still have an immature understanding of why people dislike religion. You still made the bad assumptions.And I say the assumptions are bad, because in all of the stories I've consumed where church/religion was bad, I can't even recall one where it can interpreted as such a shallow thing as the author exercising a teenage level of angst toward their parents. I mean, maybe I have encountered a story like that and forgot about it. But the fact that I can't think of it now, just goes to show how truly rare it is.Like I said, I've encountered your prattle 1,000 times. Not all of which came from pro-religious people. Sometimes anti-religious people make the same bad assumptions. There is something about criticizing institutions, that makes people like you automatically assume that the critics are immature. Critical of police? "erm, teenage rebellion" Critical of corporations "erm, laziness. You don't want to work". Critical of religion? "erm, teenage angst. You hate your parents." Critical of politics? "erm, you're only saying that because your parents supports that party, and you hate your parent. Grow up. You're not a teenager anymore"On and on. It's always the same with you. If I'm guilty of my own assumptions, it's assuming that that you're one of those pricks I just described. I don't have a name for them. Maybe just "bootlicker" works. Just generally licking boots whatever the topic may be.
If you think religion is bad what the fuck are you doing reading high fantasy? This entire subgenre was created by a catholic "fanatic".
Should my black characters speak in ebonics or would that be immersion-breaking?
>>25453333That depends on the context.
>>25453315If you think middle easterners are bad what the fuck are you doing being a Christian? This entire religion was founded by one.inb4 you don't get the point
>>25453338It's a medieval world where blacks were enslaved but were freed by a benevolent king then they started living in ghettos in the capital city, much like what happened in the US in the 20th century or so but in a medieval context.
>>25453345Why would I think that of middle easterners? I believe all people are equal, we're all one race: the human race.
>>25453348Yes, if you have characters in a medieval setting using modern slang it will upset people.
>>25453315>the author of Gilgamesh was a ChristianInteresting.
>>25453352You have missed the point.
>>25453361Your point doesn't make sense unless I hate middle easterners which is not the case, not everyone is a bigot like you.
>>25453352>believing in racelol
>>25453364The point was that it doesn't matter and isn't relevant to almost anyone involved with either Christianity or high fantasy.
>>25453280unrelatable to the average anon
>>25453366>not believing in raceNASCAR and Formula One are very real, as are their races.
That isn’t intended as a grab for your pity, just as a simple statement of fact, objective and cool. The nature of my condition diminishes my capacity to love and be loved. A man in my circumstances, wide open to everyone’s innermost thoughts, really isn’t going to experience a great deal of love. He is poor at giving love because he doesn’t much trust his fellow human beings: he knows too many of their dirty little secrets, and that kills his feelings for them. Unable to give, he cannot get. His soul, hardened by isolation and ungivingness, becomes inaccessible, and so it is not easy for others to love him. The loop closes upon itself and he is trapped within.Dying Inside by Robert Silverberg
>>25453373Hell yeah brother. We're all one Dale.
>>25453304Good riddance to bad rubbish.Let this be the end of you pagespammer.
>Lord of the Rings' epicness>ASoIaF's political complexity>Elden Ring's lore>Wheel of Time's scope>DnD's magical system>Frieren's depthThere, I created the greatest fantasy novel of all time.
Why is Memory, Sorrow and Thorn suddenly getting so much attention?
>>25453421>suddenly
>>25453421It got recommended by Martin. I thought it would be like GoT, but it's more like LotR (although a lot worse).
>>25453414>depthFrieren is barely disguised shonen battle manga.
I don't give a damn
No one did.No one ever would.
>makes a gazillion dollars>jets around going to cons and doing fun shit>doesn't even bother to pretend to be writing the mainline books any more>"haha yeah, probably like 60% done">is obviously running out the clock enjoying life until he dies so he doesn't have to face any backlash from fans when his turd of a series inevitably implodes>has the rights ironclad after his death anyway to stop anyone else from touching his precious world he doesn't give a fuck about any more>has whipped up the retarded ultrafans to such a degree that posting one blog post every couple months gives them anxiety attacksI kneel, Mr Germ.
>>25453467But give a damn. Kaladin. DID.
I don't think Stormlight will ever work in live-action, it's too long and high budget. Mistborn might turn out okay
I like House of Open Wounds more than I do City of Last chances, because the hospital/on the march setting is far more interesting, but I absolutely hate this kind of writing. It feels like the author imagined his books getting adaptations later down the line and this being some totally thigh slapping hysterical comedy scene that would make it into the all "God being neurotic and cranky for 7 minutes" tumblr compilation videos and I'm not really feeling up to finishing the series. I'm not saying Last chances didn't have this but it never felt this egregious.Can I get some opinions on Joe Acrombie's The First Law? Is it also written in this modern fantasy rogue way where everyone's quipping like they're mugging for an adaptation's quotable scenes catalog?
>>25453529Unfortunately I found first law to be a disappointment. I can only close my eyes and recall the opening chapter where Glotka is torturing some poor soul. Cue the MCU style quip from his assistant as he hands him the tongs.
>In 2014, she married Matt Hosty, a classicist in the University of Oxford, whom she met in the Homestuck fandom.[7][8] Muir, who is a lesbian,[9][10] describes their relationship as platonic and refers to Hosty as her "moirail".[11]
>>25453529>eyes buggedOUTthe phrase is "bugged OUT"fucking hell, what a fucking hack
>>25452910Hmmmm maybe Agent Cormac Series by Neal Asher.
>>25452910>neurological-tech type sci-fi. Not dystopian per seJoe 90
Everyone says The Way of Kings is great but the sequels are bad, why is that? I haven't read them yet since they're a huge time commitment.
>>25453569Don’t listen to those Ns. It’s great all the way through.
>>25453438Frieren has emotional depth not all-around depth
>>25453591>wot if ur friends got old and diedwow... such depth...
>>25453515He reminds me a lot of Gege Akutami.The major difference is that Gege openly relishes torturing his readers, while Goerge is being all deflective and weasley about it.
>>25452208 >>25452411See >>25452500 >>25452800No>>25452114Care to list all of them?
>>25453529>Reddit shitpost dialogueIt's an insult that these freaks get published.
These recent discussions have me yearning for a fantasy. I may reread Death Gate Cycle.
>>25452903Get off your fat fucking ass and finish the book Rothfuss.
>>25453634kek, years ago I gave a negative review of The Anubis Gates and an angry fan told me to read Dragonlance. So I read the Chronicles and I had a lot of fun.
>>25452258It gets a lot better, but Simon remains a retard despite gradually maturing. Simon is a retard in the sequel series too. It is a fundamental part of his characterization.And as for that sequel series, the entire first book of that is effectively a prologue in which very little happens and most characters are more or less retarded. Something happens in the middle which seems like it would make the main plot start moving, but in the end very little ensues of that. I'm currently in the middle of the second book, and the plot has noticeably progressed and appears to be developing in a grimdark direction.It's like Tad William thinks he needs to make the reader familiar with every main character and the political situation in every country before he can start moving the plot. It's as if Tolkien had opened LotR with a thick volume (set between Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 of the real LotR) introducing the world and the characters - including several sympathetic POVs from Mordor - before the real plot gets to progress beyond "Sauron has returned and is planning something".>>25452341The Sithi absolutely are heavily based on Tolkien's Elves of the Silmarillion variety. Tad Williams has clearly read about the Darkening of Valinor, for one thing. There are various minor surface details attempting to obscure this, though, and in the sequel series the evil Elves appear to draw on the Empire of the Petal Throne for their social organization to fill in the blanks left by Tolkien.
>>25453529If you want le heckin grimdark, I would recomend Warhammer 40k slop instead of Acrombie. If you want to give First Law a shot, I'd say read The Heroes and see if you like it. It's the 5th book but can be read as a standalone.
>>25453569The Way of Kings was too long but tolerable, I liked Words of Radiance. I didn't bother finishing Oathbringer because I wasn't interested in Sanderson's universe. Dalinar is cool though.
>>25453569Literally the opposite. Way of Kings is a 1,000 page prologue. Words of Radiance is the true start of the series. Also Rhythm of War is overhated.
>1,000 page prologue
>>25453569>Everyone says The Way of Kings is great but the sequels are bad, why is that?Mostly because the best part of Way of Kings was the character Kaladin. He's a great character in that book, and his chapters dominate the narrative. You first meet him as a slave on the brink of despair, and you spend the entire novel seeing him trying to survive, almost succumbing to suicidal urges, and also seeing what led to him being enslaved through flashbacks. It's a dramatic narrative arc that culminates in a truly cathartic moment of triumph for him. Kaladin isn't even the most important character in Way of Kings, but pretty much everybody who enjoys WoK enjoys it because of Kaladin's chapters. The books after WoK have much, MUCH less focus on Kaladin. And when he does show up, it feels like Sanderson had no idea what to do with him so he just retread the exact same character arc from WoK, only compressed because he gets fewer chapters, and for dumber and dumber reasons. Then on top of this, many of the characters who replace Kaladin as a primary focus are not nearly as compelling as he is. More and more, you're forced to conclude that WoK was good on accident, and Sanderson doesn't actually understand why the book was so well received.
>>25453515This is the same conclusion I came to many years ago. As early as like 2018 I decided that ASoIaF was done, and I would treat it as if would never be finished.
>>25453610>NoCould have fooled me.
Why is Joe Abercrombie banned? I thought he was based.
>>25453569I read it all and I’ll tell you now it turns into marvel shit which is ok if you’re into that. Also in the 5th book he adds too much gay and trans shit for my taste. Personally I think Warbreaker is Sandersons best book from what I’ve read so far. Unfortunately he seems to have abandoned plans for any sequels.
>>25453835Some random anon is just having fun. Disregard.
Bros, Tower Lord was not worth it. I should have stopped after book 1.The first half of the book is just slow chess pieces moving around. The sole protagonist from the last book, Vaelin, is one of four POVs now, and he barely does a thing until the end. The other characters don't do much either. In the second half, their island gets invaded and they start fighting back, but even then most of that action happens to Reva, the only brand-new POV character in the book. She's a Mary Sue, successfully leading the defense of a city even though she was raised in a barn by a mad priest, and killing enemy elites with ease despite being too weak to draw back a bow and only knowing the sword for a couple months.The names in this book are way too similar, and most of the side characters are forgettable. I had to Ctrl-F the previous book a number of times for ones that I'd forgotten, which I've never had to do before. Had to Ctrl-F this book too during the second half, for that matter. Other things just come out of the blue, like this one guy who wanted to kill Vaelin because Vaelin killed his dad, but that wasn't in the previous book at all.Also, this book just has a lot of weird shit in it. One of the POVs (who was just a kid in book 1) gets repeatedly raped via mind control by a 300-year-old witch during his portion of the first half. Probably the only reason they were able to print this was because the victim is male, the author would've gotten canceled otherwise. One of the other POV characters ends up sleeping with her dead uncle's whore at the end, which has gotta be a 20+ year age gap since she's a teenager.Probably the worst part about this book was that the plot was just interesting enough to keep me reading it despite its flaws, instead of dropping it. Took me over a week to finish.2/5
>>25453852That's a shame that it didn't work out.
What is the modern equivalent of pulp characters? i.e. series of short stories with a shared protagonist. Is there anything like that left?
So I have finished reading The Well of Ascension, the second Mistborn book. And i gotta be honest I didn’t enjoy it. This book was an absolute slog to get through. The premise is interesting sure but the majority of the book is just filler. The new character introduced is terrible. Vin sucks in this book and Zane is one of the worst characters ever written, his whole poison back and forth with his father is genuinely just stupid and doesn’t make a lot of sense. The one good character I did like was Tindywl. But a lot of legacy characters are wasted of forgotten about especially Dockson.And the worst offender is it’s just boring. Not even the Sanderlache saved this one for me and honestly it has made me not wanna read book 3.
>>25453888Probably some web serials. You should ask in /wng/.
>>25453888Pulp magazines are still a thing kinda, as a niche, pic related.There's also DMR books.
>>25453895Zane carving a Z into his father’s lover’s breast was pretty hot. That antidote woman.
>>25453895I like Tindwyl's name. Zane was the most edgy character in the entire Cosmere.
>>25453057It has a genuinely interesting premise and uses it as an excuse to tell lurid stories about tomboyish nazi girls with exaggerated Scarlett O'Hara accents capturing and then sexily interrogating and lesbo-raping libtard secret agent girls. The 90s were an incredible decade.
>>25453843What do you mean by Marvel shit?
>>25453888Videogames are the modern pulp, and videogame protagonists are the modern pulp heroes.
>>25454031He probably means the crossover between characters of different series.
>>25453852>The sole protagonist from the last book, Vaelin, is one of four POVs now,This is honestly one of my biggest pet peeves about fantasy series. I don't know if I'm being stupid but I constantly lose interest when I pick up a sequel like this.
>look at Fantasy Masterworks collection>nothing overtly appealing>end up gravitating back to SF MasterworksI'm going to reread Death Gate and go from there, maybe something else from my own personal library.
>>25453389obviously not pagespammer dumbfuck
>>25453529pagespammer told you all but you never listen
Do you have to know about Gnosticism and philosophy to understand Philip K Dick?He sounds interesting but too high IQ for me
>>25454081Nah you don't.
>talk about one of the banned authors >Get sentenced to life in a Holland prison >Eventually after ten long years of forced labor both me and the bakkerspammer are transported on a ship which wrecks and bakkerspammer saves my life but drowns in the process thus redeeming himself And I named my son after him... Faggot jr.
>>25454068Multiple POVs aren't an instant turn-off for me, but they do need to be good. I don't want to dread reading from certain characters, but that definitely happened here. Fuck Frentis, those chapters were miserable. Fuck the raping too.
>>25454038Wtf for real? That's retarded unless the series share the same universe.
>>25454143They're different planets in the same universem
Just started reading this and we are so back. It astounds me that a simple switch to 1st person can improve Hobb's writing so much, because I assume she was holding herself back during Liveship Traders which i found lacking compared to Farseer and this.
>fools errand?>reading this tripe sure was!>dohohohoho
>>25454143They're different planets in the same dwarf galaxy.
>>25454081not trying to mean but did you mean another author perhaps?PKD is great but you don't need to know shit about anything to pick up his books. the single thing that'd benefit you most is having experience with psychedelics, PKD's own experiences inform how his characters deal with alternate realities, madness, perception / illusion, etc.
>>25454214His exegesis + valis trilogy
>>25451910>>25452634How some novels got so popular overnight is beyond me.
>>25454068>>25454102From personal experience multiple POV chapters almost always end up as either>it's a [character you hate] chapteror the further you get along in a series>it's not a [the only character you like] chapter
>>25454237ntaSeems like something you shouldn't be reading.
What do we think of The Once and Future Witches?
>>25453852your """reviews""" are SHITFUCK OFF
>>25454377No.
>>25454234everybody needs they're ultimate "every fantasy trope" slop after the last popular one has ended or died
250 pages into Memories of IceWill this lore dump ever end?
>>25454486It’s making up for the first two books having zero lore context.
Also it's funny gow it makes a big deal out of Paran/Tattered Sail romance when it lasted 2 chapters in the first book.
how does anybody enjoy this? it's written in the same sterile style as a wikipedia plot synopsis
>>25453852i read that other series he did Covenant of Steel, and i found the first book to be the most enjoyable. Ryan always seems to run out of steam as the series progressesa bit like Brian McClellan
>>25451961>/sffg/ op bans authors that don't suck>list contains Patrick Rothfuss???
>>25454558And then at the end Paran goes "huh guess it wasn't a big deal after all" and Tattersail disappears into the void of side books presumably after making me suffer through the shit for 1000 pages.
>>25453204He is spamming now: >>25454399
I took a random German science fiction book and made an interlinear text with AI. I like it. It motivates me to read, because I struggle to motivate myself to read fiction by the stories themselves, but I can motivate myself to read fiction when I read it to learn languages. Not sure I'll keep going with this particular book though. It's "Das zerrissene Land". It's one of those books that are in a franchise of games, books etc. This franchise is called Shadowrun. I don't like the fact they have scantily clad women on many of the covers for other titles in the franchise. I don't know why in particular many books and games in science fiction and fantasy have this. Seems to be the same thing as with many pulp magazines. It seems like science fiction and fantasy are targets of this particular kind of moral subversion to a greater extent than other genres, although I guess the pulp magazines had this for all genres. I can't take any media with such pictures seriously. But it's probably the publisher that decides to have it and not the authors. Thoughts on making your own interlinears? Thoughts on game/book franchises? Thoughts on lewd and semi-lewd images in book or game publishing, particularly in the science fiction and fantasy genres? Thoughts on Das zerrissene Land and the other books in the trilogy, or Shadowrun novels in general?
>>25453247>Spoilers if you wanna know the ending:Basically the same thing happens in GRRM's Dying of the Light, and that novel was great. Go for it.
>>25454678Try the mind of man is a trap-filled ruin.
what's the biggest cuck moment in a fantasy or sci-fi book?
>>25454677He's misfiring too. I'm not Yev but he thinks I am.
>>25454678This is the book.https://annas-archive.gl/md5/e3906fb1b009760b7ab6a66619cd5e08https://annas-archive.gl/md5/f8611f44fef633643b57ff735aace701
>>25454165>Liveship Traders which i found lackingIt was very very entertaining but she should have revised it a bit. The rest of her books are great though.
>>25451949>Ada Palmer Absolute shit.
>>25454573The first three books are kino and worth reading for beginners. If you want a better series, read "The Sun Eater."
>>25454677>two posts>spammingCry moar. Anon's based, and I won't hear otherwise.
>John Crowley dies>hacks are still alive
>>25454876Little Big was boring as shit
>>25454878You're too stupid to read such a book, anon.
>>25454897I read it and hated it
>>25454876He was so good. RIP and shout-out to the anon who mentioned The Deep in one of these threads a couple of years ago, I wouldn't have discovered Crowley otherwise.
>>25454876>John CrowleyHow is Ægypt anyway?
>>25454876I really need to read more from him.
>>25454927A masterwork, but please read it calmly and don't expect your usual fantasy story.
>>25454954Added to the list. You better not be tricking me, anonnette.
>>25454980
>>25454802He only ever comes here to disrupt book discussion or plug his favorite author because shitposters always cling to one (Dunsany).
/sffg/ goodreads group coming in this thread to defend their buddies from anons attacking them
>>25455018Who is being attacked?
>>25454573this appears to be very common in YA these days. either the protagonist is a snark queen that is unflappable, or it's narrated with the emotional depth of a National Weather Service forecasti'm sure there is some link between that + the weird shit going on with kids and being unable to understand perspectives
>>25455026Is reading a couple of posts that hard for you?
>>25455055Nice vaguepost.
>>25455037We need a new mass extinction event.
Performative nonsense
>>25455037what kind of retard would struggle to understand first-person? do they get confused when someone else is talking to them as well?>"I had a smoke">"no you didn't because *I* don't smoke"???this has to be a larp of some kind
>>25455067ALL RISE! The vagueposting king has entered the thread.
LARPers all the way down. A house of mirrors for emotions.
new thread WHEN?
>>25455089>t.
>>25455089Cool story bro.
redpill me on game/book franchises
>>25455101In 200 posts from now.>>25455106They're shit. Don't believe me? Try to read a few.
>>25455110I'm reading one now>>25454678>>25454817>>25454598
>>25455114I didn't give you (You)s ITT and didn't bump your thread.What do you expect from us? We don't speak German and I couldn't care less about your interlinears.There. Look what you made me say. I hope you're happy.
>>25455118kys
>>25455128fuck off man, your shit isn't interesting to anyone but you. put it on your blog.
>>25455132I told you to kill yourself, fag
>>25455132go cry to your momma
>>25455133wrong, you told someone ELSE to kill themselves. so you're gonna have to repeat it for me.
>>25455132People talkin' 'bout books on the literature board? Nah, fuck that! 'Sic 'em!!
>>25455103k-rooger! k-ROOger!
>>25455136he's not talking about books you illiterate faggot, he's talking about how he's using a really retarded method to try to learn german (but he's given up because his method is really retarded and just produces nonsense)
>>25455133You sound resentful.
>>25455139Get 'em, anon! Woof woof woof woof!!
>>25455139>>25455142>>25455145I have a bigger penis than all of you btw
Americans are really bad at writing fantasy and sci-fi and should stop doing it
>>25455146having a large p*nis is bl*ck-coded, thoughever...
>>25455118>We don't speak German>>25455139>method to try to learn germanYou are clearly a brainlet. Kys.Just to annoy you I'm now posting an amateur audiobook version. Untermensch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os0rVnU_bWs
>>25455158>Just to annoy youHe said, annoyed.
>>25455139>retarded methodAlso, fuck you retard, this is a great method. This text is way above my level, but when I go through a page with this method and learn to understand every sentence, and then go back and listen to his fast slurred audiobook I understand what he's saying.>>25455158
>>25454573It's written for zoomers who have been lobotomized by a decade of screens and social media
>>25455158>>25455173like I said, fuck off. all you want to talk about is yourself and how you're learning german. nobody fucking cares, retard.
>>25455186stfu retardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTKukgu_ewQ
Take it back to discord, kids.
>>25455190Oh anon, you're so OLD and wise.
but ate shit. Kaladin. DID
>>25455151but then there would be nothing to discuss in this thread
>>25451910>Banned Authorsis Scalzi /sffg/ approved?
>>25451910>Banned Authors:So I will get banned if I talk about those authors?
>>25451910If we are banning authors for being discussed too much we should ban Tolkien as well. Most overrated and over discussed fantasy author of all time
>>25452101the complete works of:Joe AbercrombieA.A. AttanasioR. Scott BakkerC.J. CherryhGlen CookSteven EriksonR.A. LaffertyMark LawrenceGeorge R.R. MartinPatrick RothfussGene Wolfe
>>25454847>If you want a better series, read "The Sun Eater."kek
>>25455441hehe
>>25455423holy kino this dialogue is next level, like a 2000s tv show or somethin!
>>25455181>It's written for zoomers who have been lobotomized by a decade of screens and social media>came out in 2014?
>>25452101A Confederacy of Dunces
>>25455483millennials think they are better than gen z and alpha despite having barely produced any good writers, directors, artists, musicians or philosophers
>>25455423He's personally pure s*yboy cringe. Old Man's War is pretty good, but none of his other stuff I've tried has been better than a C-, and I've stopped trying after DNFing a few and finishing Kaiju Preservation Society.Try KJ Parker, Guy Gabriel Kay, or Adrian Tchaikovsky if you want a contemporary author. Or Martha Wells, though you'll either vibe with her stuff or hate it.
>>25455423it's insulting to fanfiction to call this fanfiction-tier writing
>>25455423we love small kings here
haven't been keeping up reading the past two days, excited to start reading again soon
>>25455497I like the plot of Old Man's War more than the actual book. He's a pretty bad writer and after that series he leaned into going full Reddit instead of trying to improve
For anyone who's read all four Morgaine books, am I getting filtered or is the fourth book just really that bad? I read the first three in a week but I keep putting this down after a few chapters. This was the book she wrote 10 years after the original trilogy.
>>25455540I was about to say something similar. Good concepts, poor execution.
>>25455074People read 1st person to self-insert. If they can't relate the the character, they don't want to read it. Which is why LitRPG is so generic and cliche ridden.
>>25455692>People read 1st person to self-insert>PeopleMaybe retards do.
>>25455692I only self-insert during power fantasy scenes.
>>25453048>A nameless 14 year old girl whose potential surpasses his ownSlop. Get an ad.
>>25453414>Frieren's depthGo back to léddit.
>>25455796this.
>>25455782also this.
>>25453852>Mary Sue, successfully leading the defense of a city even though she was raised in a barn by a mad priest, and killing enemy elites with ease despite being too weak to draw back a bow and only knowing the sword for a couple months.That should've been an instant drop right there. Never let sunk cost fallacy dominate you.
>>25455796That was the breaking point? Why do you censor Reddit?
>>25455806>Never let sunk cost fallacy dominate you.that's how you end up like pagespammer occasionally still ranting about sun eater randomly
>>25455806>>25455814Yeah, I know I shouldn't have even started it after all the comments online saying it was a terrible sequel. Part of the reason I read it at all was to get a feel for what a "bad book" is like so I know what warning signs to look for next time.
>>25453048Ain't no way Yev highly rated this modern YA slop
>>25455809It was the most egregious of them all. I got hit with the spam filter for saying reddit.
I need some really degenerate recommendations. Like really self-indulgent with no literary value.
>>25455826Sun eater is right there
>>25455826ASOIAF
>>25455826Scroll AO3.
>>25455826Spellmonger series. It's power fantasy / progression fantasy, about a wizard going from village witch doctor in bumfuck nowhere curing warts for chicken eggs to being the supreme master of magic and the real power behind a newly unified kingdom, so incredibly rich he has more money than the entire economy (not an exaggeration) and has the gods on leashes.
>>25455826Red Rising.
>>25455821There's surely many others that I've rated that you'd strongly disagree with.
>>25453048>ebook not on any pirate sites at allBummer, I was looking forward to it.
I read the closet sex scene in Tigana. I got a boner.
>>25455906https://forum.mobilism.me/search.php?keywords=Demon+Star&sr=topics&sf=titleonly
>>25455914Nice try glowie, I ain't makin an account.
>>25455917It usually has almost every new book on release day.
>>25453048I read the first 40% of it so far. Not very impressed. The pacing is incredibly rushed. The reveals and sci-fi plot twists were ok. All the characters feel flat and one note. Jacen is the depressed alcoholic, Ged is the raging retard, Ysira is the Mary Sue, Seth is the morally righteous one, Neri is the Paul Atredies equivalent, etc. The plot moves too fast without the accompanying world building to keep it believable and keep me immersed. The writer had an interesting premise but I don't think the quality of her writing was up to match. Felt like I was reading one of those romantasy books but without the wish fulfillment and softcore porn.
>>25455841*Reddit* Rising
Science fiction and fantasy have apparently lost any and all appeal to me, haven't read any in almost a full year, just history stuff mostly.Grim. It's over.
>>25455966Did you read the question?
>>25455951>herYou should have known it wouldn't live up
>>25455826Bakkerslop. It's full of cuckoldry and gay rape shit and cannibalism and the first four or five books are pointless dogshit filler that goes absolutely nowhere.
>>25455951Yes, it does move very fast, as I noted. Maybe I should post the commentaries I've been posting on Goodreads here as well. My rating was based on how it made me feel more than anything else, which is a very subjective thing.
>>25455826Sounds like every Discworld book in existence.
>>25455969>just history stuff mostly.reccs? I'm slowly worried im pivoting towards boring non fiction interests with how many fantasy and scifi stories with historical or political pitfalls have made me seek out actual history to supplement what I feel is missing to make the fiction make sense.
>>25455969Hisfags aren't allowed into heaven
>>25456007ntaWhatever gets you to leave, pagespammer.
>>25455969I'm slowly reading through An Empirical Introduction to Youth. Interesting to know that back in Rome, you were a full-fledged doctor or lawyer by 16 years of age. Nowadays our school system dumbs you down and babies you long-term for no reason.
>>25456024They didn't have mass public education back then.
>>25455692I only self-insert in Fallout Equestria.
>>25456029Mass public education has mostly been ultimately negative.
>>25456024>for no reasonin good school systems, it's due to work intensification; we learn more as we need more knowledge in the modern world. if you're only going to be an illiterate farmboy or supermarket checkout girl all your life, you can be done by 15 or younger, just like in Ancient Rome(you think the jeets we import to do these jobs have any higher schooling level? lol)if you want to be an engineer, scientist, surgeon, or other super-specialist, you won't stop learning until you're nearly thirty, actually. and a lot of that time would be at work.(this is a problem we are facing with AI; it's being used to replace job positions which are basically apprenticeships)in bad school systems, it's so that illiterate retards can get a shiny piece of paper after partying, drinking, and fucking the first quarter of their lives away
>>25451949>Ada PalmerNo male could survive to adulthood with this level of unjustified confidence.
>>25456007Got any particular area of interest? Area of the world? Time period?
>>25456067>if you're only going to be an illiterate farmboy or supermarket checkout girl all your life, you can be done by 15 or younger, just like in Ancient Romedid you not read my initial post? not going to waste my time reading the rest of yours
>>25456071what are you talking about? where did this random ada palmer hate come from it wasn't there when pagespammer was reading her books
>>25456076ah, so you ARE virtually an illiterate farmboy
None of you are willing to put in the effort to understand me.
>>25456080>my personal opinion > empirical history so I can call someone gay over the internetEpic 4 teh win!!1!
Another great thread. Let's keep up the productive and on-topic conversations in the next one!
>>25456082something isnt empirical history because it was written in a book retard. there have been dozens of retards who have written about history without any direct reference or significant study.nta anyway dont care just had to call out your retardation
>>25456089>it's not sourced because I said soShitstirring bitch. https://annas-archive.gl/md5/4312b61ff8f2a4f4710b26c7062ff3ed
>>25456077Just natural accretion of people who read Too Like the Lightning.
I am an unhappy man my friends. I learned of the Fantasy masterworks line. Only to see they are out of print! What do I do?
>>25456161Download them from Russia?
are any of the star wars novels worth reading
>>25456166Thrawn trilogy is pretty good.Yoda Dark Rendevous was fun.I heard good things about the Darth Bane trilogy and Kenobi.Revenge of the Sith novelization is pretty great and fixes a lot of the flaws in the movie.Avoid anything by Karen Traviss, Chuck Wendig or Kevin Anderson.
>>25456166I unironically enjoyed The New Jedi Order and Legacy of the Force as a teen. I didn't read any of the Expanded Universe stuff that led up to it either. The Yuuzhan Vong were edgy but kino.I liked the clone commando books too, especially the Order 66 one. The author does wank the Mandolorians as these ubermensch super soldiers especially in the later books which got tiring and cringe really fast.
>>25453057I haven't but after a slump of not reading any scifi for months and after a period of being engrossed in South African history (predominantly the border war) and after mulling it over for a few days I've decided to start reading it. Thanks for the recommendation anon.
>>25456166No. Nothing Star Wars-related is worth engaging with in any manner whatsoever. Might as well be a Star Trek fag it's equally cringe and gay.
>>25456166>66that get>>25456172>Yoda Dark Rendevous>Revenge of the Sith novelizationmust-read>Avoid anything by Karen TravissHard Contact is good
>>25455826/wng/ is right over there>>25451481
I'm reading The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant and it's literally isekai before isekai was a thing.
>>25456236yeah
Dante's Divine Comedy is Isekai. George MacDonald's Phantastes is Isekai.Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is Isekai Lovecraft's The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath is Isekai.The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is Isekai Many that are much older are.
>>25456236Yep. He even gets hit by a car and then transported to the fantasy world. Donaldson was simply too ahead of his time.
>>25456236>isekai before isekai was a thing
>>25456236There are no new ideas.
>>25456449T R U K E
Finished the first book in the Chronicles of Amber. Really, it wasnt that good. I've yet to come across a fantasy book with particularly well written deeply constructed characters that don't feel like they exist merely or mostly to push the plot in a direction, so because of that I wont criticize any sci-fi or fantasy on that grounds until I encounter something that makes me feel like the lack of that can be a significant flaw. As for the other aspects of the book. Its just...simple? How do you get to the Amber?: Uhhh magic the fake world till you get to the real world. How does Corwin get his memory back?: Uhh enter the special magic place where you have to magic really hard this time I promise, and get your memory back. How does Corwin get his army to challenge eric?: Magic yourself to a different world where you encounter a peoples that are simple enough to follow you with little convincing because they think you're a god. How does Corwin lose?: Eric has more special magics and can manipulate the weather to his whim. Also hes got more allies, but mostly its the weather thing, since thats what mostly makes one of his allies not join Corwin. How does Corwin recover his eyesight after losing his physical eyes?: Uhh he has special magics that let him heal things more quickly than everybody else, the story tries to pretend this totally makes sense by bringing up that this happened at the beginning of the story, and when he recovered from the black plague (circular argument fallacy). How did Corwin ultimately escape his cell?: Uhhh super strong powerful sorcerer of old that invented the Trump Cards that all the princes and princesses use to communicate with eachother, made a card randomly that let him literally walk into the existence of Corwins cell, Corwin asks him to basically carve a card into wood or a wall or something of a lighthouse he wants to escape to, and Corwin walks throught that when hes done, to escape. Basically he got lucky the sorcerer showed up, and asked him to magic like crazy.You see what I mean? This is how basically every single event occurs in the book. Things sort of "just happen" theres rarely any real reason for why, they just happen, and you accept that and go on the ride the story takes you. I can't even call it bad really, its just not interesting, when there aren't reasons for why things happen, theres nothing deeper to understand other than the passive knowledge gathering of what new things can happen.The book was such a breeze to read— barring the multiple typos, and the formatting legit being kind of fucked—that I honestly don't mind reading the next one. But I'm not in a rush. I plan to start another series soon.
Defenestrate pagespammer and gut him alive
>>25456490>there aren't reasons for why things happen, theres nothing deeper to understand other than the passive knowledge gathering of what new things can happenokay, but>particularly well written deeply constructed characterswhat are your expectations for this?would you find, say, Jodi Picoult deeper or shallower than what you want?or Jeffrey Archer?
>>25456496why? all I see is somebody talking about a book
>>25456507Because you're a fucking obsessive retard wacko. You have single-handedly fucking ruined this general and you need to die. Faggot. :^)
>>25456496>and gut him alivewith a spoon
I read a few science fiction books and I kind of get the appeal. However I never read any fantasy books. What is fantasy about and what is the appeal, in your opinion?
Feels like this place is really weirdly mentally ill sometimes.
>Pot calls the kettle black
>>25456537Look in the mirror.
>>25455826John Norman's Gor books.
>>25456236>The Wizard of Oz? What's that?
>>25456531Science fiction is fantasy, retard. Anyways not every genre or setting is for everyone. It's natural and no big deal. No point trying to force someone who doesn't like peppers to eat peppers.
>>25456669>meat is vegetables
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>>25456490I wasn't very sure whether to continue reading after the first volume either, but I eventually did and didn't regret it. It was fun.
>>25456512Why are you talking about Bakkerfag but continue to refer to it as pagespammer?
>>25456980He keeps saying they're the same guy.
>>25456987No he has not.
>>25456537Generals on 4chan only attract the weirdos. There are people who’s only social interaction is through these and they always make generals cancerous.
what's a good book that will never (or should never, anyway) appear on one of them manchild lists?
PAGESPAMMER!I CURSE YOU!
>>25457769Bakkerfag*
>>25457772Do you mind? I'm trying to have the last word here.
pagespammer tongues my anus
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