why didn't this take off
>>22758343
A faulty kerosene heater
>>22758348shit
>>22758348That to me won’t ever be not hilarious, for years there was speculation it was because of ideas like “couldn’t keep up with Zeta gundam” or Grados’s parallels to imperial Japan
>>22758348>>22758354As opposed to a bunch of board jews deciding a show should be a tax write off?
>>22758343I thought it was a lovely sci-fi story until they started ripping off hokuto no ken
>>22758382watched the first episode a year or so ago and thought it was meh, if it's anything like hokuto no ken then shit I might give it another try
>>22758354I saw a Japanese guy on Twitter do a deep dive into hobby magazines from the time and it seemed like Layzner was selling decent enough that they even said a Mk-2 kit was on the way. It really looks like the Sanyo incident was the killing blow.
>>22758464>>22758348>the Sanyo incident>A faulty kerosene heaterElaborate please?
>>22758474Exactly what the tin says anon. One of the sponsors for the show also made kerosene heaters which actually killed a few people. They had to do a huge recall and they pulled out of sponsoring the show.
>>22758419>dropping a show after 1 episodeCringe.It's also the 2nd half of the show that copies Hokuto no Ken
>>22758419Shit taste. Who the fuck posts on /m/ & still hasn't seen layzner? Go back.
>>22758464Actually I'm not so sure. It's a lot of information to parse. Good read if you can understand it. https://x.com/Alien_anvil/status/1755550097088360797
Sanyo also had the honor of one of their shows being riffed byMst3k.
>>22758382I thought the exact opposite. It was absoutely boring as sin in the first half where absoutely nothing happens for several episodes and then when the timeskip happens and Eiji starts caving Gradosian skulls in with a pair of duel tonfas and Rowan turns into Kim Philby, that’s when it started to get really good. Shame about the ending though, at least the OVA fixes it somewhat
It had better ratings than Zeta Gundam.
>>22759327He tried to kill me with a forklift!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfID80584s
>>22758343Kit when ?
>>22759414Also consider
>>22759414There was one a while agoNext month there's a SMP Layzner MkII
>>22758343Why can't Sunrise reboot/remake Layzner and add the scrapped ending?Surely Japan wouldn't mind that 100 years after the heater incident
>>22763229The scrapped ending was just kind of a Votoms retread mixed with Southern Cross's backstory.
>>22758343I remember hearing that Layzner was aired at the same timeslot as Zeta Gundam and most people watched Zeta instead of Layzner. I might be wrong.
>>22763680That’s a lie. First of all, Sunrise wouldn’t be competing against themselves. Second, Layzner did a bit better than Zeta in the ratings if not in sales.
>>22763680Nearly every JP wikipedia article has the day each episode first aired for an anime. It's not hard to see they were on different days of the week.
>>22763558It would have been a more complete ending than what we got (no resolution to the Gradosians still on Earth and what became of Eiji's parents).
>>22759417/m/an of culture
>>22758343I like Layzner's design on account of being one of the few head cockpits that don't look ridiculous to me. It also looks like AC's TELLUS, I'm sure whoever designed that was inspired by Layzner.
>>22765348Its been over for 30 years. Deal with it.
>>22759417love the Braver, I think it was the best design in the show, but I also really liked the skull automatons, creepy as hell
I think Layzner is straight up stressful to watch since everything is constantly on the edge. Even Zeta and Votoms felt more relaxed.
>>22769483LONELY WAY
>>22758343The existence of Gundam.
>>22769483It's because Eiji's mission feels completely hopeless the whole time. The show starts with him arriving too late to stop a massacre, then he struggles to get a message to Earth which you know is a fool's errand anyway because humanity is so ridiculously outgunned (and even if they weren't, does he really expect anyone to believe his lunatic rambling). Realistically all his newfound Earth friends would die one by one over the course of the show too, but that'd probably be way too much of a downer.
>>22772763What I liked about the show was that the protagonist DIDN'T save the day...holy shit that time skip made me respect how gritty the occupation was. Oh and Zakaal's V-Max Supercharge was Kaioken before Toriyama penned the Saiyan arc.
>>22772764I wonder if model kit sales shaped some of that. It almost never seems to work when a show tries to emulate a White Base trio arrangement so the Baybull and Buldy effectively disappear and the resistance didn't get their own SPTs until the long lead up to the Doll, which arrived right as the show got canceled. Why focus on what's not selling.
LONELY WAY!
>>22758495>killed children>hospitalized dozens>cut a mecha anime shortTragic
>>22773040>>22758495These seem like 2 whole ass jobs that should never be in the same sentence.
>>22759418>Next month there's a SMP Layzner MkIILooking forward to it.
>>22772797Kono boku no
>>22767989>not ridiculous>doraemon ass looking motherfucker with a huge exposed canopy for a scalp
>>22772763>all his newfound Earth friends would die one by one over the course of the showThis is my main concern, like the occupation doesn't feel real to me and the little kid with with his wonder dog is so dumb and unnecessary. They make the Gradosian look like cartoon villains, missing all their shots and acting retarded during important times.I think everyone should have died by the end, it wouldn't make that much of a difference, maybe keep the main girl alive (and the dog because dogs never die in movies)
>>22778237If I recall Okawara said he was inspired by Tokusatsu helmets of that era with the eyes that light up through the canopy.
>>22778459>people don't act stupid during important timesHowdy timetraveller, enjoy 2019 while you still can.
>>22778480It's a pretty common criticism that learning into the Mad Max aesthetic defanged Grados as an efficient space military.
>>22778502They were never presented as one outside of overwhelming technological superiority. A kid like Eiji being able to steal an entire shuttle full of SPTs and Gosterro being Gosterro already showed that
>>22772764Ah, now I understand why the Layzner guy always suddenly turns darker in SRW games when it isn't certain other shows getting their limelight. That is Layzner's limelight.
>>22778502>"efficient">Gosterro>Karla>Julia
On Gosterro and the Death Demons, people like them do end up in militaries and there's a real-life precedent for that: the Dirlewanger Brigade.
>>22777957LONELY WAY
>>22782309Omou mama
>the Gradosians were ruled over by a supercomputerWiseman?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfaL6-I-RMU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk8xSMVih78
>>22758495sauce on it ending the show? i need toread moar.>>22758345I know the robot is female, but it's a robot, so why am I finding it a tiny bit sexy? help
>>22775672>>22759418link pls?
>>22784729https://www.bandai.co.jp/candy/products/2024/1000205818.htmlPremium Bandai though.
>>22778468>Tokusatsu helmets of that era with the eyes that light up through the canopy.That makes sense
Was it ever explained why Julia became some kind of Aztec prophet? The second last episode ends with her saying she’ll explain how this all came about soon and the show just ends and even the OVA doesn’t explain it
I really wished we actually saw what Grados was like and Ken Asuka's life amongst them. Like why the fuck did they allow a Japanese astronaut into their ranks and he managed to marry a Gradosian nobleman? I honestly felt bad for Gail. I mean he was Eiji's friend and potential brother-in-law; he pissed away his rank and noble upbringing to save retarded Earthlings.
>>22784724>sauce on it ending the show?It's just been a persistent rumor since the two events happened so close. >>22759094This thread linked here tries to understand why a model kit line that was seemingly doing well got cut along with the show This 52 episode summary from an Animedia pack in booklet has the plot details that have been mentioned in this thread. This book doesn't seem expensive if someone wanted to buy it and scan a better copy.
>>22785992Cover for the book. I'm not sure if this information has ever been reprinted in a newer book.
>>22784724Robots are sexier than humans.
>>22759417That too.
>>22785992So does the 52-episode run actually kill off Ru-Kain?
>>22758382you're making me want to watch this
>>22789094
>>22789007I'm not sure they say anything beyond Ru Kain makes good on his promise to return to Rowan.
Layzner is a stealth shoujo romance about homely young girl and her hot exotic half-alien boyfriend.
>>22789904True, and it was very cute
>>22789913Yep. No other anime had the lead female confess her love to the lead male by aiming a gun at an enemy combatant. Especially with the the lead female being the one most reluctant to use a gun at all.
>>22782312HASHIRE MEROSU NO YOUNI!!!
>>22789913Anna is barely even a character for the first 25 episodes
>>22791555Eh, she was the narrator at least
>>22791555To add to what >>22791610 said, Anna's role in the story is to witness Eiji's heroics, which is why when Grados succeeds in conquering Earth, she has to motivate the resistance into preserving Earth culture as the triabulations she and the Cosmic Culture Club survivors is what inspired Earth.
>>22791620Preserving human culture was supposed to tie into the revelation that the Grados in the story were actually humans abducted long ago but had replaced the original aliens over time. Their supercomputer made them think they were the real Grados so that its culture would be preserved.
>>22789904Just like my Rumiko Takehashi doujins...
>>22789320>>22789007In the sequel novel he has a final duel with the Layzner Mk-II and dies by going too fast too furious.
>>22792695I take it this sequel novel is the one that adapted the original idea of Gradosians left on Earth complaining about being unable to return to Grados?
>>22792695Seeing how Japan likes to revisit or remake older anime and manga, I pray that somebody in Sunrise decides Layzner needs a proper treatment and remakes the anime as a 52-episode series as it was intended.
>>22793905You'll get a 12 episode version instead.
>>22793907Fine so long as it picks up right after episode 38's midpoint before they superrushed everything. I'm 23 years old and I have more enjoyment watching Layzner, Dougram, Dancougar, L-Gaim, Dunbine, Vifam, Galient, VOTOMS, and Dragonar than the last 10 years of mecha.
>>22789904Nothing against Anna but why didn't they just make her a bit older and more developed looking? I get she's only 14 but they could've made her 16 like Simone. It just comes off as a bit creepy even when Anna got older. Also I thought Simone going from entitled girl to sexy resistance fighter was awesome.
>>22793948>Nothing against Anna but why didn't they just make her a bit older and more developed looking?I imagine she must have been awfully smart for her age, hence why she got mto be a part of the Cosmic Culture Club opreating in Mars until hell broke loose. Which adds to why she took it upon herself to preserve Earth's culture when Grados when after anything related to it.
>>22792695What I love about Ru Cain is that he got his ass handed by Eiji and trained his ass off to curbstomp him with Zakaal's Red Power Supercharge. Most times, it's the other way around when the protagonist gets owned and has to painstakingly claw their way to challenge the bad guy who has a hax ability.
>>22792695Someone writing the JP Wiki has a sense of humor because its says it must be common knowledge that Le Kain wears a wig because non of the rebels were surprised when they ripped the hair off a body double.
>>22791544LONELY WAY
>>22792695but why tho?
>>22796663Because that kind of antagonist has to go out looking cool.
>>22796663>>22796920The Layzner Mark-2 is marginally better than Zakaal according to specs so I imagine Ru Cain wanted to surpass his limits and overtake Eiji.I fucking love Layzner. The Hokuto arc is amazing fun.
>>22796928>Layzner Mark-2Really wished that mecha was in the TV series and OVA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFiZjVbisK4&t=64sSRW's V-Maxs.
>>22758345One of my favorite protagonist mecha.
>>22803037It's amazing. I really like the villain mecha from the FOTNS arc near the end too, which hurts because it's fucking difficult to find good fanart and even official art of them online.
>>22803046I got this official art.
I fucking love the Layzner OP so muchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-j3JbfbuV4
>>22798339I know. I wanted to see Grados in all it's glory as well as Eiji's parents and Gradosian society. Ken Asuka was seriously lucky as fuck to be taken in as one of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtUwpaqmQb4Airmail singing.
>>22794246>Le Kain wears a wig because non of the rebels were surprised when they ripped the hair off a body double.Gives me a new perspective on Ru Kain.
>>22796920>>22796928But like...why'd he wanna fight?>>22798339I hate that it has Gundamface
>>22807398To prove the strength of his convictions. Especially after learning Gradosians and humans are the same.
>>22807398Because he's honor-bound and has his pride. He's a high-ranking nobleman and it's his duty to avenge his defeats from Eiji and also prove to himself that he can surpass his limits.
>>22758343Doraemon works better as a pudgy cat, simple as
>>22807398>GundamfaceYou don't like that type of aesthetic?
The V-max magic bubbles from the second half were a little odd.
>>22807946Ru-Kain is Vegeta?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rDLigCs0xI
>>22792033>Rumiko Takehashi doujins...Go on.
>>22810153Magnets, how do they work?
>>22811203Sure, let's go with that.
>>22758382>until they started ripping off hokuto no kenIt made Eiji cooler and more entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW4TtTGL77U
>>22759390Source?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_qO8pO-jfISMP Layzner MKII
>>22823436The Japanese wikipedia articles for both. Just look in the last column in the section that lists each episode and when it aired.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxTlZztUtLYKazuhiko Inoue (Eiji) singing Lonely Way.
No one gives a fuck about the proper grunts in this show.
>>22830904Everyone loves Braver.
>>22830904I fucking loved the SPTs. They were so awesome that Dragonar recycled some of their designs. As this >>22822460 video presents, Layzner was incredibly influential in anime like DBZ's scouters and Kaioken to Trans Am being V-MAX redux. It just fucking sucks that this isn't revisted to give a proper sendoff or explore the universe for side-stories.
>>22831818What was the last modern Braver? Was there a Palm Action? The Dtol got one. People are lukewarm towards anything without a unique character as the pilot.
>>22832581Scouters were already in Dougram
>>22832714Bitch shut the fuck up. People like Braver. Stop losing to your own mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsC8p3gXpXQ
>>22832581>They were so awesome that Dragonar recycled some of their designs.Oh neat.
>>22758343Didn't finish this show, so I could be retarded and incorrect, but I don't think Layzner did anything particularly wrong.It's by no means forgotten.Still gets merchandise, home video releases and the occasional SRW role. I think that's a decent place for an 80's mecha series to wind up in.Just because it didn't spawn a franchise like Z Gundam or VOTOMS did doesn't make it a failure.
>>22837498It doesn't need to be a big franchise. Just a better resolution to all of its story arcs.
>>22837560THISFor god's sake, I want a revamp of Layzner with a proper 52 episode storyline. That and a reimagination of L-Gaim that incorporated all the concepts in Nagano's Art of L-Gaim books.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lhFAzp4VNA
>>22837980Modern Japan is too onions to appreciate manly mecha like Layzner. Daba is more Chad than any recent protagonist.
>>22841879Eh, Eiji was sorta twinkish in the first half of the series and then he became a Kenshiro-clone in the Hokuto arc. So I'm sure they'd be able to transition to Eiji's transformation to naive teen to hardened guerrilla. As for Daba from L-Gaim, he's probably akin to Lelouch from Code Geass in holding his cards close to him and even deceiving his friends and allies. So I wouldn't say he's more alpha than contemporary mecha leads so much as he's far more savvy and definitely even villain-esque on how far he's willing to go.
>>22841879filtered
>>22841879You're not looking hard enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jnWIsbYXGs
>>22837980Re-imaginations are a recipe for a disaster.
>>22847110>Eiji wiping out Terminator Police>Chirico spends the 1st arc of VOTOMS being a cop killerI'm detecting a theme here. Any FTP in Dougram?
>>22851207Not sure if Crinn's initial defection arc counts since the entirety of the show's action is pretty much army-on-guerilla violence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqKEupttUo
>>22855294Where'd Eiji go?
>>22837980>the fatima in mk. ii.'s head.
