Do you like Full Armor gimmick and what's the best FA?
Yes.
when it comes to FAGs I think you are the biggest one OP, you are definitely the best FAG around
>>22783573If it’s done with tact.Example:FA RX-78 and FA Alex good.FA ZZ and FA Hyaku Shiki bad.In my opinion, it needs to not just be a hundred random bits glued onto the mobile suit, it needs to be more like a suit of armor on top of the suit itself, otherwise it’s just too fucking much and looks ridiculous.It doesn’t make sense to turn agile suits like ZZ and HS into huge tanks because it defeats their purpose, it makes more sense for general purpose MS as a legitimate alternate armament.
>>22783675the fuck's the difference between giving full armor to both the RX-78-2 and the HS? both were agile general purpose MS
>>22783681HS has wing binders, it’s primarily designed to be an agile space mobile suit. Tripling its weight and putting a hundred more sharp edges on it completely defeats the purpose of its creation. RX-78 was literally designed as a general purpose mobile suit for ground and space combat. As a jack-of-all-trades it makes a lot more sense for it to have a bullet proof vest when the situation arises, RX series has always been modular.
>>22783573What's that suit between the Hyaku Shiki and 0 Gundam? Is it a Full Armor RE GZ or Zeta Plus?
>>22784504Full Armor version of Gundam Mark III
>>22784507Nice try Hot Scramble Gundam but you can't fool me that easy
>>22783573>Do you like Full Armor gimmickYes>what's the best FA?For me it's a tossup between the FAZZ and Thunderbolt
>>22783573even though it's only "full armor" by name, there's something about FA Unicorn that's aesthetically pleasing for me.
>>22784752it's the age of beams I guess, it has three shields that each have I-field generators
>>22784752It means you have bad taste. This thing is a clusterfuck of nonsense. They are just glueing as much crap on it as possible to sell a model kit.
>>22784752I like how the design conveys "last ditch effort where we strap everything in the armory on one machine".It would make more sense to call it the Gundam Unicorn Full Armament
>>22784767That there's no Full Arms trend in Gunpla to match Full Armors is baffling.
>>22784786Closest thing I can think of are these option parts sets. But if you're talking individual suits I guess the Psycho Zaku too
>>22784786Perfect Strike Gundam kinda fits that category.
>>22783573As much as the FA is a downgrade for the Zeta overall performance wise and functionally, I love the FA Zeta. Visually it just appeals to me in a way the regular Zeta doesn't.
>>22783573I do a lot.it always looks nice.I wish my fav Gundam got a FA too
>>22783573Very few do it well but yeah, it can be awesome
>>22783573What the fuck is the point of an FA Alex? It already has the chobham armor
Does your full armor mode give you atmospheric reentry capability? If not, don't even @ me.
>>22786495Chobham itself doesn't add any weapons. Traditionally, Full Armor types usually include a double barrel beam gun and shoulder cannon that could be either beam or projectile, even some AUs tend to reference it
i love it when they pile more and more on, its so retarded and fun
>>22786874The GP01Fb with the HFA parts is more pointy but I like it too
Depends, i feel like it's ether gotta serve a purpose like a heavy unit or something or just be fucking cool in design. i fucking hate when they just go GO GO GADGET MAKE I MORBIDLY OBESE.
>>22796836Wait, GM Spartan a full armor?
>>22784972damn that's hot
>>22786495Backup plan in case the Chobham armor which was being developed at the same time turned out to be a failure or otherwise impractical.
>>22796892no, I have no idea what that anon meant by posting it
>>22783573>Full armor Hyaku Shiki is in the worksI believe.
>>22786874These suits operate in space so I think its not so retarded to slap on a ton of equipment to it when you dont have to worry about weight.
>>22796948Not a kit, but it is getting a Ka Signature toy.
>>22797053came out just a few days ago in fact
You've heard of Full Armor, now get ready for FULLER ARMOR
>>22797053Never got why it has such an odd face. It doesn't look like anything else from the time period.
>>22783573More gun, but...damn!
>>22797094it's an okawara revision on top of a nagano design, it's kind of expected to be weird
>>22783573Full Armor MKII is the best one but I wanna gives points to the FA hyaku-Shiki for turning the Hyaku-Shiki into a direct counterpart of the Sazabi down to the proportions and general silhouette because I think that's a pretty fun joke that's easy to miss.
>>22784786We really do need an entire line of Full Bullet Zaku derivatives.
>>22786874The 7th having like a successive chain of Full Armors inside of Full Armors feels like something Lowe Guele would have come up with so I honestly approve.
Some monoeye "full armor" for a change
>>22797094Nagano+Okawara revision, but also it's supposed to be along the same lines as how the Sazabi's head is relatively unusual for a Zeek suit with how it has a full helmet and faceplate and two headcrests. The Crown evokes Char's old helmet chevron thing for example.The FAHS's entire thing is "What if Sazabi, but it was Hyaku-Shiki?", kind of the ultimate evolution of a Char suit from the other major line he's associated with.
>>22797915And the artillery variant of it, I fucking love the gigantic front half of a Zaku machine gun used as a cannon
>>22797903Huh, I never really realized that. It's not visually obvious, but there are a couple of parallels>head crest sorta similar>front chest mega particle cannon (not in exact same spot)>little thruster struts that hang down from the the shoulder>upper backpack has two large pods that vaguely resemble the two funnel docks on the Sazabi (totally different purpose though)
>>22797903even more appropriate when FA Hyaku Shiki Kai is the go-to final suit for Char in SRW games that don't go through the CCA plotline.
>>22797942Its more obvious if you can put models or face-on shots side by side, lineart means that the FAHSK's details kind of just blob into itself with that 3/4ths profile, but it's essentially the same suit just replacing "Rounded and Red" with "Blocky and Gold" proportionally.
>>22790544Are those two supposed to be similar or something? The leg armor is about the only thing that even looks vaguely the same.
>>22797920That Xamel-esque chest monoeye is just the cherry on topAlso F90J where
>>22783573>Do you like Full Armor gimmickNot particularly>what's the best FA?Dendrobium
>>22784751The lower legs of the ReZEL look exactly like the lower legs of the FAZZ. What could this imply?
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>>22799619>What could this imply?that you should get a head start learning braille now before you go completely bind
>>22790544Rather fond of the Full Armour MK2
>>22798404I think he just slapped together two of his favorites into one image
>>22783573My personal Favorite has to be the V2AB, I just like it taking the best full armor gimmick of the armor being Purgeable and bringing it all way down to the regular mobile suit itself.
>>22783573Full Armor Zeta. It's so absolutely retarded as concept that I love it. Also, the design is pretty clean/cool leaking.
>>22804937You made me remember a fanmade Full Armored Zeta I saw a couple years ago, though upon finding it again I realized that the base unit is basically a Zeta Plus, though it's cool that it retains the transformation ability.
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>>22783675>agile suits like Zetas fat cousin ZZ
>>22783573Hyaku Shiki looks mustardish.
>>22784507MkIII is so sexy holy shit. Maybe because it's rarely white.
>>22784752I don't really like "Full Armour" that much, but I do like whatever they did with Unicorn. I always like mechs that are armed to the teeth with as many guns strapped to them as possible
>>22784752They should just call it Full Armament instead of Full Armor because it nothing looks like full armor
>>22783573Does the Avalanche Exia count?
>>22818368I think Seven Sword is closer to a FA. Isn't Avalanche just a ground combat mobility aid?
>>22783573Don't really care for it.
>>22783573I do not care for Full Armor variants. They insist upon themselves.
>>22824731Interesting but...What's the point of all this armor when it doesn't protect against beams? All that extra weight would have slowed Amuro down massively, and Char would have just tagged Amuro with Sazabi's chest beam cannon which destroys Asteroids in a single blast. GG armor.
>>22824740Why do people have this completely made up image that a single beam shot of any kind can blast through an infinite amount of armour?
>>22824745I don't think Nu Gundam is blocking this.
>>22824808Fin Funnel I-Field would no-sell it.All the additional armor is so Amuro can basically completely ignore mook fire.
>>22824808not a direct hit with the entirety of it to center mass, sure, but a grazing hit absolutely yes. Besides, HWS doesn't even ahve that much extra armor increasing its mass in the first place, and the legs have huge Zeta-inspired thrusters added to even things out.
>>22797920this one rules
>>22783573>Do you like Full Armor gimmickYou dont put your faith in "gimmicks" when you are taking on a squad of grunts, that Full Armor gonna save yo ass
>>22783573Does this count?
>>22805400>>22805402The concept is really cool, anon, but honestly I think that it'd be a bit too much, both in and outta universe. On one hand, a transforming mobile suit that could fit a Full Armor component and also transform would be a really tall order for any MS gunpla like that, And on the other, I'd imagine that a machine with so many moving, detachable and optional parts would be the hangar queen to end all others.With that said, I fucking love how it looks so damn much...
>>22832905that's why it took Kawamori 25 years to figure out how to make a transforming Armored Valkyrie
>>22827334>Fin Funnel I-Field would no-sell it. Lmao. No.That Mega beam is punching RIGHT THROUGH that paper thin barrier.
>>22835572Alpha Azieru's head mega particle cannon has an output of 19.5 MW, Sazabi's check mega particle cannon is only 8.8MW.
>>22838723There's no point debating MW. You have presented zero proof that Nu Gundam's funnel barrier can withstand any type of big beam attack. We've only seen it stop small beam weapons.
>>22838723the power ratings aren't a reliable metric for actual strength. Even in this case, Alpha Azieru's funnels are rated at about 20MW and the fin funnel barrier blocks them just fin.
I like NuHWS and Full Armor ZZ but otherwise eh
>>22783573
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>>22818454Avalanche is perfectly able to fight and includes other weapons too. At minimum, it's got claws and extra beam sabers on each foot. Fon duct taped the Avalanche kit to an Astraea Type F and used it just fine too.
Full Armor MS are just meme tier unless the base suit has powerful generator output/upgraded engine/external power for the FA. Shit seems not feasible if the base suit is already pushed to the limit, then slapping additional armor and weaponry on it, then expect it to perform better.
>>22842607Every Astraea variant looks so good.
Surprised no one posted this one.
>>22844713Have there been any suits that stopped working or ran out of power after the full armor was attached?
>>22845678Do we count Mighty Strike Freedom having an extra nuclear reactor on the backpack?
>>22845757That ADDED more power after being attached, and it wasn't full armor. I'm asking if anything got worse after equipping full armor.
>>22830547Playing as the Full Armor ZZ in the Gundam Battle Assault games and seeing it in the SRW gave me the impression it was the ultimate form of the ZZThen I actually watched the show and found out it was just a one-episode mod that didn't do anything but fly around launching missiles and get turned back to normal next episode. What a letdown.
Full armor is only good when the machine is introduced with it on, without any mention to it on the name, and then at some important point it casts the armor off.
>>22846028No.
Definitely the Granddaddy of all Full ArmorsFA-78 Full Armor Gundam
>>22846198bootleg of the granddaddy, maybe
>>22835572Punching through? No, he's disabling it. There's no point wasting reactor power on something he's already dodged. No need to fully block it and waste power once he's broken off from it.
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>>22849742Don't the fin funnels get overloaded/abandoned at that point? IIRC after that glancing shot from the Alpha Azieru, none of the funnels that formed the beam barrier are shown again and Amuro is only left with the single fin funnel on the back that he hasn't deployed yet to later use against Char.
>>22786874It makes sense when you remember that most of these aren't meant to operate anywhere but in space.
>>22866703That waist must be really fucking powerful.
>>22842607>be exia>your mom astraea tries your clothes>she looks hotter than you
>>22845861Yeah welcome to Gundam. You play as The O in any of the various games and see it doing these sick 4 Saber combos. Then in the show he literally uses a single of his hidden sabers once right before dieing.
>>22783573Its sad that Gundam and Macross were the only 2 franchises to do full armor.
>>22786830huh, they MPed the Gransa?
>>22824740its not FA, its HWS. most of the bulk is extra armaments or supplies
>"An abrams TUSK armor is practically useless because it doesnt protect against a fucking jdam"Thats the logic being used here.
>>22824808Goddamn it above post was replying to this
>>22878694I can understand Full Armor designs for Macross. Their mecha generally use lots of missiles as their main weapons along with bullets. Their enemies are usually alien bugs or something else. So the missiles make sense.>>22878730Not that anon but what is the purpose of Nu Gundam HWS? I'm trying to understand the war situation that would require them to build something like this. Necessity is the mother of invention. But what kind of Battle situation would force Amuro to bring all that? Is he fighting an army of mobile armors?
>>22878851I think in universe they probably forgot that Amuro is well, Amuro. They were probably aiming for precautions against heavy funnel fire along with squads upon squads of neo zeon MSs trying to shoot him down. Where in reality, he didnt need most of the HWS package. The project failed because the bulk made it impractical, but the project cancelation isnt something Amuro himself wouldve lost his shit over. Nu Gundam, even in its rushed base, was perfect for him.
>>22878851HWS is probably for base assaults, when he needs something to punch trough fortifications. the Nu is great at dogfighting bult ultimately his biggest gun is just the Fin Funnel array
What's the point of full armor if you can't shed it at will?More examples of this?
>>22878933I miss old macross. It had a nice mix of action, survival, drama, and a dash of Idol stuff.Modern Macross...I just can't. It's like 50 to 70% idol now. Everything else secondary. I heard the idols even ride inside the cockpits and sing now from cockpit. Cringe.
>>22881202Yeah, but that was an emergency mode because the Data Weapons weren't working. Did Dragonar have full-armor?
>>22878720No, the Assault Jacket is an equipment package developed by Flit's friend who became a mechanic in the 2nd generation. After further development they develop the Glansa parts.>>22878694It occasionally comes up elsewhere.
>>22824731I honestly do not see Amuro using this. He just doesn't like big and bulky mobile suits. He prefers well balanced general purpose suits without any specific weakness. Amuro is the type of guy who would return for Resupply or hijack enemy weapons. He's not going to carry huge bulky armor into battle. It would only slow him down.Not to mention Amuro thinks of equipment attached to his suit as disposable. He often uses them for distractions like tosses his shield, throws his beam rifle away, or blows up his bazooka. All to distract enemy pilots and attack from a different direction. That's his style. He's an extremely well balanced scrappy fighter that uses feints and distractions to beat his enemy. It's the same reason why I think Amuro would reject Alex Gundam. He would really hate the bulky armor. It also doesn't have a core fighter system that Amuro used numerous times to surprise his enemies. It's why he would never use something like ZZ Gundam. It's too big and slow for Amuro. But also it's incredibly expensive. Every part of ZZ is a complicated and expensive masterpiece. Even the weapons. And could you imagine Amuro tossing away the expensive beam cannon and huge sabers in the middle of Battle just to win? Anaheim Engineers and Federation tax payers would CRY.Amuro doesn't WANT expensive equipment or hyper specialized gear that can only be replaced from a specific source. He wants a general well balanced suit that is compatible with lots of equipment used by other suits.That's why his Rick Dijeh got repaired with partially repaired Jegan parts when it got damaged. But Amuro didn't care. He even used a GM III shield too.It's why when Amuro was given a blank check to make whatever he wanted, he didn't make another ZZ Gundam or some big mobile armor like the Gundam Dendrobium. He made Nu Gundam. A solid well balanced Gundam with the latest technology. But also easy to repair because it used Jegan parts weapons. Only the funnels were unique
>>22881318Break Blade is such a disappointment. It had so much potential but they ruined it with bad characters and poor writing.
Have we ever seen an Full Armor Gundam take a big beam hit? I can't remember.
>>22784752Unicorn FA was much different in the novel than the anime. The Unicorn FA fought he Neo Zeon fleet and was like watching the Dendrobium from 0083. But in the anime they had the Unicorn FA fight banshee for no reason, and then waste 75% of its weapons ruining it.
>>22883569Not many have been animated, so showing them tanking a beam doesn't happen often
>>22883569>>22883998
>>22883998Do you have an example where it's not involving super newtype powers? Just normal people.
>>22884029I know you fags menstruate over SEED's primitive animation, but this is actually really well done
>>22884454>>22883998>what are I-Fields and anti-beam coating
>>22884472ZZ doesn't have an I-field.
>>22883998This is some newtype shenanigans. ZZ can't bend beams like that.
>>22884479Full Amor ZZ does.
>>22884536That round thing on the chest is a single shot beam cannon similar to the head beam cannon, not an I-Field. Only the EX-S Gundam had a chest I-Field.
>>22884479>what is anti-beam coating
>>22883569Outside other examples already posted, in 00I, Fon's Avalanche Astraea takes a hit which costs him the Avalanche pack but the Astraea is intact to keep fighting.
>>22884560Anti beam coating doesn't stop a beam 20 feet in FRONT of the suit and bending it like a newtype bubble.
>>22884469Half of those scenes, like the Buster firing its combined rifle and the Forbidden charging up its cannon are reused animation assets. The Duel getting engulfed in an explosion and bursting out are new, though.To be fair I also removed the pilot reaction cut-ins because I wanted to shorten the clip's length to meet 4MB size limit without having to lower the quality any further, though.
>>22884029I hate how they all say this was Yzak's kill when in reality Buster did a lot of work too. Team effort.
>>22884558That's on the waist. There's an i-field in the middle of the chest armor.
>>22884569It's well done because it's sticks to important core parts of the scene.It doesn't have 20 different things happening at once and the digital camera spinning around all over the place from bizzarre angles like in modern CGI mecha battles.
>>22884577If the animation had more budget and effort like showing how buster's attack damaged it, then people wouldn't say that. Since they used stock animation, the Forbidden looks like it's in pristine condition just before Yzak charges in and delivers the killing blows.
This is a part of the Full Armor family.
I mean... It's sorta Full Armor...
The Black Sarenna (Serena?) from the Nadescio movie is totally a Full Armor machine
>>22784752It was called "full armor" because the guy who named it was a retard who couldn't tell apart a Hyaku Shiki with a Delta Plus.
>>22846198me likey shields
>>22846028Virtue is the only example I can think of.
>>22784752Why is this even given a special name? Not even criticizing that it's not armor, It's literally just an overloaded weapon configuration.
>>22889647The Alex did it too
>mfw there will never be a full armor mech that strips like this when purging
Not really a Full Armor thing, but I love Dix-Neuf's coat -- that it can, indeed, strip off like >>22890491
>>22889946everything has a name so it can be sold as merch, having a name makes it easier to look up and have a more distinct identityI mean, the entirety of MSV is based around that, it's literally a variation on existing thing but different (we wanna sell more models but you already have a zaku so here's a zaku high mobility with some extra knobs)
While not technically Fullarmor in the orthodox sense, I really like it when mecha combine as a core mech and armor for said core mech. Ultra Magnus from Transformers is a good example, as is Battle Convoy + Powered Greater = Powered Convoy from Diaclone (picrel)
Ironically I don't think I've ever seen a Full Armor mecha take damage exterior damage. Usually the armor has some sort of force field (Virtue Gundam) or anti-beam coating.
>>22893007I guess you haven't watched Gundam 0080.
>>22893007>>22893013the FAG in thunderbolt took enough heavy damage to have to eject its parts
>>22893046That armor still looks clean and very usable. I honestly don't know why he's purging it.
>>22893013I'm not sure what to think about with Alex Gundam. The extra armor has no weapons installed right? It's just extra armor right? What is the point then?I don't fully understand what the armor was designed to do? Is it anti-beam coated? Can it stop a Gelgoog beam rifle? Like Alex Gundam is already made with Luna Titanium. So it can already defeat Zakus machine guns and Doms. So why add more Luna Titanium armor?It just seems like an inferior version of Perfect Gundam.
>>22893154It's more for dramatics than anything else, but at that point in the story most of the extra gear was used up. I guess Io wanted to get rid of the armor to become lighter, so he could get up close and deliver a killing blow.>>22893162Feds are trying a little bit of everything, the full-body armor is simpler than the FSWS program. Not everything is a success. At least it didn't have fuel tanks on the outside.
>>22893162I used to hate the Perfect Gundam. But then the Gundam Fix Figuration line started and I was like "Saaaaaayyyyyy...!"
>>22784924I also really like the Full Armor Zeta design, but it obviously isn't playing to the Zeta's strengths of speed over defense, especially since it requires removing the wing binders.I don't THINK the ZZ has to be partially dismantled to equip the Full Armor (barring the model kit) but I remember it didn't actually purge the armor in the field so who knows.
>>22893250A "Full Armor Zeta" would be the Zeta Gundam in waverider mode INSIDE a larger waverider with big engines. So now it looks like B2 bomber. Have unload a ton of missiles and rockets. Then eject out the like the Re-GZ. No Brainer. Can't believe they didn't think of that.
>>22893250I like how FA Zeta is just completely counterintuitive and goes against Zeta's main premise. It seems nonsensical, and probably is, but some projects just are like that and for what its worth Zeta is all about versatility, in theory an option like this could have merit even if in practice not really.Zeta Define has its own FA too which is radically different. Keep in mind Define's Zeta is already a somewhat different design though. I like the prototype I-Field in the chest.
>>22893312would rather it be called Zeta HWS
>>22783573>mfw every MS girl that strips is technically a full armor
>>22893162I doubt the Alex would have survived the Kampfer's chainmine as well as it did without the Chobam armor, so even if it doesn't make sense in the longrun, it did legitimately work there.
>>22894905The chain mine doesn't even make sense.The chain mine can blow clean through thick reinforced battleship grade armor. Armor that's probably thicker than the Alex Gundam itself.But can't break through Alex Gundam's thin Chobham armor?Make that make sense.
>>22895017>The chain mine can blow clean through thick reinforced battleship grade armor. Armor that's probably thicker than the Alex Gundam itself.Easy, it just doesn't do that.
>>227835734chan certainly has an opinion to give on this.
How come we never got a Full Armor Hyaku Shiki? Or a Full Armor Gundam Mk 2? Or a Full Armor Hizack? Or a Full Armor Psycho Gundam?
>>22895029First two you mentioned literally exist as MSVs, third one exists as some AoZ contraption that barely resembles the base Hizack. Psyco Gundams were already effectively immune to almost all beams below a certain size and were big enough to withstand massive missile strikes, they never felt inadequate enough to require additional armor protection
>>22895017Almost like it's made to be tough
>>22895033>third one exists as some AoZ contraption that barely resembles the base HizackNot really unless you mean the Flight Type or something, which doesn't have anything to do with Full Armor concept.>Psycho Gundams were already effectively immune to almost all beams below a certain size and were big enough to withstand massive missile strikes, they never felt inadequate enough to require additional armor protectionThis + that would inevitably hamper the transformation which is a key feature of the machine.
>>22895035>Not really unless you mean the Flight Type or something, which doesn't have anything to do with Full Armor concept.I guess I was mistaken anyway, it looks like I was thinking of the Rosette's land battle form. It does add some bulk but technically only the piece on the chest is armor for the sake of armor. Maybe the Dandelion too, but at that point it's more like 'mobile armor' than 'full armor'.
Fuck it, No Armor.
>>22895034>Almost like it's made to be toughHow can it be tougher than battleship armor?
>>22895171you said so, you prove it to me
>>22895179You didn't watch Gundam Unicorn?
>>22895186You're asking a fucking retarded 4channer, you are legally required to spoonfeed him to explain it.The conversation WILL fail unless you shovel it into his throat.
>>22895171Same way Gundam's armour is already tougher than a battleship's armour.
>>22895172That looks sick, would love to see more jesta variants like what izapla did with the jegan’s
>>22895274>izaplaFuck me, I've seen some of his stuff before but never knew he had a youtube channel
>>22895311Yeah it goes more in depth with how he makes them
>>22895029How come we never got a Full Armor Hyaku Shiki? >>22895027Bottom row, middle. It’s gold color and everything. >>22895029>Or a Full Armor Gundam Mk 2? >>22895027Bottom row, first one on the left.>>22895029>Or a Full Armor Hizack? Full Armor Zakus are basically never a thing except in Gunpla building stories. >>22895029>Or a Full Armor Psycho Gundam?Are you on crack?
Fed style MS are typically slim so they're usually the ones to have full body addons. Zeon-style MS are already somewhat bulkier and rarely ever have additional armor addons, but they still get weapon and backpack upgrades. This also seems to apply to the AUs.
Full Armor Hyaku Shiki KaiI came
>>22895615I'm not a fan the Xenomorph head
Was there ever full armor Zeon MS?
>>22895903SuperZaku from build fighters
>>22895172The ZZ Parts work so well with the Jesta, I could see this as a P-Bandai kit.
>>22783573Did someone say purging?
>>22895903
>>22783573What do you call having two shield holders like Thunderbolt?
>>22900560decroded
>>22900560The tech would be called sub-arms or multi-arms, but there wasn't really a name for the machines themselves other than calling it the "Thunderbolt sector version" or [TB] to differentiate it from the version from the main UC continuity. AoZ gets a little crazy where most loadouts tend to have a unique name, but sometimes it's more rooted in story than descriptive.
>>22900696Makes me laugh that Atlas Gundam was also captured by Zeon Remnants/Monks.I guess that's fair since the Federation stole the Zeong.
>>22900703Then one of the F91s got nabbed by Mars Zeon. And that doesn't count all the times they steal from each other one way or another. Like the Thunderbolt reverse-engineered Fed Gelgoogs, Anaheim acquiring Zeonic leading to Titans using Zaku-looking Hizacks, Project Zeta data being stolen and used to make Bawoos, Jagd Dogas being Geara Dogas captured by Feds, etc.
>>22883326The Nu Gundam wasn't complete and they plopped tons of weapons onto it because they were in a hurry. It's all thanks to Char doing his thing early.
>>22783573GM III is best.
>>22903931Why are the knees so big? Doesn't that make the weight super heavy?
>>22903949They fire missiles and it's used in space the most.
>>22903949There are extra thrusters there and missiles on top. I imagine inside they could be enhanced versions of the leg reinforcements included on standard GM III to deal with more powerful thrusters.
>>22903931What triggers me about this design -- and, really, so many Full Armor designs -- is that they don't add any extra armor over the fucking COCKPIT HATCH errrrrrgggghhhh what the helllllllll
>>22903980Apparently>The GM III Powered Full Armor's cockpit hatch is not covered by added armor. Instead, the angle of the added armor surrounding the hatch is calculated to provide cover and to improve the pilot's chance of escape.But that just means>We cheaped out on cockpits lol. Spent the cash on Spacenoid pussy.
>>22903980In this case it's actually explained - instead of covering the cockpit hatch, the armor around it is angled to maximize defense without hindering the pilot if he needs to escape.It'd be rather awkward if you needed to get out of your heavy armored suit ASAP and the double/triple armored hatch couldn't open fast enough...
>>22903931>>22903980>>22903982I don't get it. Isn't the GM series supposed to be super modular? It should be the easiest thing to add a slab of heavy armor around the cockpit door.
>>22904021The Federation being the Federation, they spent all their money on Spacenoid hookers.
>>22904021Not particularly? GMs are focused on being good enough for a mass produced suit while being cheap.
>>22904021>Isn't the GM series supposed to be super modular?No...
>>22783573>0 Gundam Full Armor never used because Condensers can't do enough particlesCB has this weird dislike of Tau drives to the point they only started using them with the Exia Repair IV.
>>22904107Given everything went to shit when these were introduced, it's no wonder they have a distaste for them. In between seasons the Tau drives were still being improved upon so that they're not toxic, and in S2 I don't think there were any cases where usage of Tau drives would have helped them. They didn't have spare pilots in good state, nor the means to produce units that could use the bootleg drives. GN Archer did just fine with condensers and us meant to work with Argos anyway.0 Gundam was taken out of storage at the last moment to get another body on the field, there was no time to procure and equip a Tau drive, let alone the FA parts.Lack of units and pilots remains the case post S2, with the exception of Tieria who dies in fact use Tau drives without any qualms as they are the optimal choice in the circumstances.
>>22904033>>22904029>noUhhh...hello? Core block system says hi? Muh seperate parts. Muh swappable parts.
>>22904107>>22904191My problem with Gundam 00 is that there's too much betrayal and too much leaking of information.Celestial Being is supposed to be this ultra secret organization but everyone keeps betraying eachother and putting spies everywhere and sabotaging everyone. It's fine to betray once, but to do the same trick 6 or 7 times throughout the entire show is ridiculous by the writers.
>>22903931>>22903988These just look wrong. This is not Gyobu's style but he has to draw them because this is the basis of a full armor UC design.Reminds me of that time Katoki designed an Exia figure. They just don't go together.
>Thunderbolt discussionNice
>>22904217The vast majority of GMs cannot readily split into upper and lower halves like the original RX-78 can. They retain the same body style and frame as the Gundam, but the upper and lower halves are more or less permanently attached and they're not coming apart unless it's done by a mechanic or an enemy, so that's not really modular anymore. Off the top of my head only the MSG novel GMs and one version of the Thunderbolt GMs still have ejectable core blocks for emergency escape.
>>22904217>Uhhh...hello? Core block system says hi? Muh seperate parts. Muh swappable parts.Uhhh... hello yourself? Haven't you noticed that GMs are very rarely seen even using their core blocks at all, and in the rare instance(s?) they do, it's just for emergency bail-out. Not to mention they're virtually never seen using a Core Fighter, so hot-swapping tops and bottoms isn't really a thing.Even when the Gundam used that function, it was mostly pointless. The G-Bull was so useless it was called out as such in the OG tv series, and the G-Fighter/G-Armor was struck from the movies in favor of the (much more credible) Core Booster. Even in ZZ and Victory, which did the most Core Fighter swapping, it was just to swap pilots and occasionally to replace damaged limbs on the fly. Not for quick-reconfiguring modularity.The GM doesn't do fancy shit, man. Just because it could do all this cool stuff in your head doesn't mean it did. Modularity and easy reconfiguration just weren't something the GMs ever delved into. If they had, we'd have seen GM-Tanks, TankCannons, GunGMs, etc. But nope!You really want swappable, modular shit, dive into Advance of Z. Fujioka's nutty lego MSs should scratch that itch for you.
>>22904191>S2 I don't think there were any cases where usage of Tau drives would have helped them. They didn't have spare pilots in good state, nor the means to produce units that could use the bootleg drives.They destroyed GN-Xs by the dozens.
>>22904191They're just hardware and it's not like they never looted anything. The Seven Swords big sword idea came from a reverse engineered GN X-II sword which was ripped off from the Zwei.They also could've taken any from the enemies downed. The post S2 suits all used Condensers if they lacked a GN Drives. They really couldn't have nabbed a few Taus as a spare in the off chance they need one?
>>22904584You are confused. The side that doesn't have modularity is Zeon with their custom almost hand crafted one-off suits. The Gouf and Gelgoog do not share much in common. You can't swap parts between them. No Zeon suit can swap parts. >GM-Tanks, That's called a Guntank >GunGMsThat's a just a GM. Gundams and GMs share the same legs. GMs are modular by the sheer fact they are mass produced and share the same parts. You can pull parts from one broken GM and put it on another GM to repair it. It's like the Sherman tank from World War 2. Tens of thousands were made and lots of interchangeable parts.
>>22905024>You are confused. The side that doesn't have modularity is Zeon with their custom almost hand crafted one-off suits. The Gouf and Gelgoog do not share much in common. You can't swap parts between them. No Zeon suit can swap parts.I am not confused, I think you aren't getting my point. Whatever.>GM-Tanks,>That's called a GuntankNo no, I meant: top half (head, body, arms) is a GM or GM Cannon, bottom half is Guntank hull and treads.>>GunGMs>That's a just a GM. Gundams and GMs share the same legs.They don't share precisely the same legs. They're very similar, but not the same. And I was thinking, like: Gundam pelvis and legs and core fighter, and GM head, body, & arms. Or vice-versa. Or a GM-Sky (GM head, body, & arms + back half of G-Fighter/Armor).>GMs are modular by the sheer fact they are mass & and share the same parts. You can pull parts from one broken GM and put it on another GM to repair it. It's like the Sherman tank from World War 2. Tens of thousands were made and lots of interchangeable parts.Yes sure but you made it sound like they were hot-swappable on the battlefield, that's what people were disagreeing with. At least, that's what I was saying.
The funny thing is the Destiny spider tank's top is actually just a Strike Dagger with a few changes. At that point Strike Daggers are close to obsolete even if rear-lines and terrorist remnants of ZAFT still run with GINNs. The mainline OMNI MS is a 105 Dagger, Dagger L or Windam by then so this is actually a creative way to get mileage out of old Strike Dagger tops.
>>22905024ah yes, now we come into the part of the thread where an immensely overconfident retard ruins it
>>22905310>they were hot-swappableWhere did anon say that? He said they were modular. Big difference.
>>22905310>No no, I meant: top half (head, body, arms) is a GM or GM Cannon, bottom half is Guntank hull and treads. Bro that's a guntank
>>22905628>Where did anon say that? He said they were modular. Big difference.It's what it sounded to me like he was saying. I was wrong? I"m OK with that, it happens.>>22905696>>No no, I meant: top half (head, body, arms) is a GM or GM Cannon, bottom half is Guntank hull and treads.>Bro that's a guntankBro a Guntank has no hands and barely has a head and has two massive fuck off cannons
>>22905783It all reminds me of the highly amusing "Uplift of Guntank" spread from an issue of Cyber ComixThis is a crap image, I should scan my copy
>>22905783>Bro a Guntank has no hands and barely has a head and has two massive fuck off cannonsIf it bothers you so much, then mount a GM Cannon torso instead. Problem solved.
>>22905783hehe. i kinda love how that gm-tank has no effective ranged weapons and instead has to rely on a beam saber. now i wanna see that in action
>>22895117Y'know I can't help but notice that in a series where gundams were named after ars goetia demons, the one mobile suit we see stripped down to "we put tinfoil over the frame" has a lot in common with the naked ass frames of the gundams named after ars goetia demons in a different series.I just felt like saying this because I never seen the Correl come up and it's a weirdly specific deep cut for IBO to have made.
>>22895902Like somebody else said, the way it turns the Hyaku-Shiki into the Nega-Sazabi is pretty great but if you don't pick up on that I can see why it might not click.
I wish God Gundam had an FA that made it look like a Fat Buddha or a Sumo wrestler
>>22911933I forgot about the Forever GM. That thing is sexy.
>>22911868that dude is compensating for something....
>>22914416
I love the GFF version of the Perfect Gundam SO MUCH hnnnggghhhhh
>>22783573What do you call the reverse where someone just tapes tons of guns onto a mech?
>>22911868"How much dakka can we strap onto the dakkabot?"
>>22918501Still FA, it just stands for Fully Armed.
>>22824731Need to cram a couple of the mega size fin funnels in somewhere.
>>22895017tbf, you could nitpick that sort of thing in a thousand different instances throughout the franchise. Don't think too hard about it and enjoy the cool robots.
Ok, 4chan system is Bork'd heavy. lets see if this actually works this time.>>22797711So how do you climb in that?
>>22921293Space only, I'm guessing.
>>22918501>What do you call the reverse where someone just tapes tons of guns onto a mech?"American"
>>22922316
>>22867860Sauce? I need more sentinel kino in my life.
>>22922701not Sentinel though referencing it, it's from Solomon Express. Specifically it's a prototype FA ZZ Gundam (not FAZZ) with a psycommu based on Psycho Gundam. Other than 25 (!) reactors, a shit ton of beam cannons, an I-Field, INCOMs and wired beam hands it has restraints using the transformation system to prevent the psycommu from going out of control.They did not work.The machine went berserk without a pilot, destroyed its escorts and accelerated to 8% of the speed of light. It was eventually found in Jupiter's orbit and sealed away.
>>22922701That's Solomon Express, not Sentinel. It's a design line by Makoto Kobayashi that errs on the side of "heavily armed" and somewhat weird and awkward, it's also the same project where the Elmeth has a giant organic brain inside for the psycommu.https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/Solomon_Express
>>22922712>>22903988>>22824731What is the point of all this extra armor if the armor can't block beams?Wasn't the whole point that Zeon was losing was because armor became irrelevant in the face of beam weapons which every GM had?A Doms heavy armor means nothing if a beam rips right through it.So why stack all this armor?
>>22922722armor can block beams
>>22922722you're thinking too hard about a show that insists zakus can't use beams but funnels exist
>>22922712>>22922707Thanks. Very neat stuff.
>>22922723>armor can block beamsI've watched MSG, 08th MS team, 0080, 0083, Zeta, and CCA. I've never seen beams get negated by armor. Even heavy mobile armors like the Dendrobium or Neue Ziel get wrecked when hit by beams (with their i-fields turned off). And Dendrobium and NZ have way way way more thicker armor than any "full armor Gundam". So it doesn't make sense to me.
>>22922791
>>22922794Anti-beam coating?
>>22922838maybe just beam-resistant coating, a variation on the anti-beam chemical stuff from 0079. the newer anti-beam coating is supposedly more effective but wasn't created until the time of zeta
>>22922846>space shuttles carrying missiles the size of battleship shooting out gasNot that anon I really like these quirky 1970s designs from the original Gundam show. It's like the designers were unafraid of trying new things. But all later UC Gundam is too focused on being realistic and ditching the tone of the original show.
>>22922794How come Val Varo can do that but not Neue Ziel or Dendo?
>>22922791>I've never seen beams get negated by armorDumb tourist.
>>22922941Were waiting
>What is the point of all this extra armor if the armor can't block beams? ETC ETC ETCIt seems like the "armor" in Full Armor is mostly containers for missiles, extra guns, boosters, etc. It probably helps against non-beam weapons, but yeah, it's likely fairly useless against beams. I notice that mecha tend to shed their added armor after the weapons or boosters or whatever are used up.The very first time it sorties the ZZ does shrug off a stray scatter of beams from the Hamma-Hamma's shield guns that hits its... shoulder I think. But I tend to consider that the "first time you show up you're super-awesome, but after that all bets are off" rule. (Beast Wars was a BIG exemplifier of this. I wonder if there's a TVTropes entry for this phenomenon?)
>>22923102>It seems like the "armor" in Full Armor is mostly containers for missiles, extra guns, boosters, etc.Ohhhhhhhh that makes sense. But that must be crazy time consuming to reload all those missiles. Plus a huge strain on logistics and budget. Where is AEUG getting all those missiles from? They are a poor group that functions solely through donations. ZZ uses up all their missiles in a few max bursts. Then their missiles are all gone.
>>22923102
>>22923251That's different. Judau (the most power Newtype ever) was manifesting a beam-deflecting barrier. That's why the ZZ was glowing in that scene.
>>22923290newtype beam deflection is pink, not gold
>>22923311Judau's aura is yellow
>>22923465pretty sure that's just anti-beam coating because he sure as fuck isn't gold when he starts doing newtype shit
>>22923251Are you crazy? That's not anti-beam coating. That some newtype magic forcefield.>>22923311>newtype beam deflection is pink, not goldJUDAU IS LITERALLY GLOWING IN YOUR PICTURE.
>>22923290>>22923604FA ZZ explicitly has an I-Field and anti-beam coating
>>22923644>explicitly has an I-FieldNo it doesn't. I literally have the Gunpla manual in front of me. Says nothing about an i-field
>>22923658the MG manual does
>>22783573What other MS that you want full armor treatment? For me, it's Full Armor S-Gundam
>>22923682Ex-S is officially called a part of Full Armor familypic unrelated
>>22923644>>22923660Well I'll be goddamned. I learned something today. Thank you, Anon!fromhttps://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%96%CE%96%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0#%E3%83%95%E3%83%AB%E3%82%A2%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9E%E3%83%BC%CE%96%CE%96%E3%82%AC%E3%83%B3%E3%83%80%E3%83%A0
>>22923720holy kino
>>22923660>>22924018>>22923251Congratulations. You just played yourself. The entire discussion is about thick ARMOR blocking beams. Not an I-field. You a stupid.
>>22924136Yeah, I know that. And yet despite your weak attempt at shit-stirring I still learned something and I'm happy about that. So congrats on playing your own empty self.
>>22922722Because armor does still matter. Xi's rifle is noted as being exceptionally powerful for the era to the point it can destroy a Gustav Karl with one shot. Meaning something like Messer's gun can't, and therefore Gustav Karl's heavy armoring does in fact provide defense against beams up to a point.
>>22924188>exceptionally powerful for the era to the point it can destroy a Gustav Karl with one shot. Ok. It's a powerful beam rifle. Nothing new. >Meaning something like Messer's gun can'tAnd this is where you fail. You failed to link the two statements together with logic. Please provide your evidence. There's nothing to say that a Messer's gun can't.
>>22924205Can you read? One-shoting Gustav Karl is provided as an example of how it was more powerful than other rifles. Other rifles can't break through Gustav Karl's armor in one shot. Therefore, Gustav Karl's armor can withstand beam weapon fire to some degree.I do not know how much more clearly I can explain it.This is not the only case of this happening either, it happens countless times in the shows though apparently people have amnesia here. This is just the easiest case I can quickly provide a source for.I don't want to look for a perfect picture at this very moment but we see Dogose Giar tanking hits from Hyaku Shiki's Mega Bazooka Launcher for another example.Or Byarlant Custom's beam guns shooting into but clearly not penetrating Zeon suits.Beam fire does get stopped at some point, that has always been the case. Just because it's very destructive doesn't mean it penetrates ad infinitum.
>>22924158So stop posting irrelevant gifs about i-fields blocking beams.
>>22924228Surely you must have some *examples* of Gustav Karl tanking beams then? Oh you don't? See that's where you FAIL.
>>22924274Oh okay you can't read, could have started with that. Remember that next time, it's good manners.
>>22924308>I don't have any examples so I'm going to try to shift the topic and insult peopleK loser. You can leave now. You full of nonsense
>>22924326Again, you can't read. I get this is an autism centre but this shit is preschool level.
>>22924228>Other rifles can't break through Gustav Karl's armor in one shot.Where was this shown? As far as I know, the Gustav Karl pretty much got its ass handed to it in every single appearance. That's why the community has turned it into a fat boy meme. Even the Karl's pilot is fat and keeps bags of snacks in the cockpit.
>>22924272>>22924274I think these anons must be the same dipshit. Sure did crap up the thread, anyway.
>>22924339Exactly. I just watched every single appearance of the Gustav Karl to check, and absolutely nothing supports other anon's claim that most beam rifles can't penetrate Gustav Karl's armor. Even read the databook entries and all they say is that it was designed to be an experimental prototype suit that saw limited production. With the idea to see how big they could make their mobile suits using next generation technology without hindering their mobility under gravity. So it has extra generatord and more powerful thrusters. Absolutely nothing about the armor being extra strong against beam rifles. It was basically attempt to create the next generation of Mobile Suit alongside the Jesta. We of course know both suits failed and the Federation just stayed with the Jegan as their main mobile suit for 30+ years.
>>22924364>Gustav Karl>extra generators>bigger body to hold extra fuel>bigger/more powerful thrustersOkay that makes much more sense than the nonsense about the armor stopping beams. And to be honest, making mobile suits bigger and bigger was a bad idea anyway. There's no need to make them bigger outside of special circumstances.Nu Gundam already is so tall that it has to crouch down to launch out of the ship. Making suits even bigger than that is so dumb.
I wish they make G-Armor that can turn Gundam into Full Armor
>>22924364>With the idea to see how big they could make their mobile suits using next generation technology without hindering their mobility under gravity.We already have Jupiter man.
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>>22923660>the MG manual doesNo it doesn't. I own the MG kit. The only thing it says is that FAZZ was enhanced with extra armor which contains micromissiles, a belly cannon, and extra thrusters. It says ZZ Gundam has severe issues with frame fragility and joint problems. So the armor also plays a role of adding rigidity to the frame. ZZ's beam weapons burn themselves out due to high output and continuous use. Many parts need to be constantly replaced. So it's a huge maintenance hog.There is absolutely no mention of an I-field ANYWHERE. >>22924018Wherever you got that, it's clearly wrong. Never written or added in any MG kit. Consider it trash.
this was a particularly retarded thread, shame you can't discuss this kind of stuff on /m/ anymore
>>22924018You seriously quoted the wiki? Anyone can edit it. You are supposed to check the sources. The gunpla books say nothing about ifields on any version of ZZ Gundam
>>22924610>>22924655Page 7 you illiterates.
>>22924857Read this post.Your picture says absolutely nothing about ZZ having an I-field.NOTHING.Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>22924951Final sentence of the middle part explicitly mentions an anti-beam barrier with limited duration.That is exactly the same characteristics as the one mounted on Ex-S.And before you start a new breed of retardation, "barrier" means "I-field". Strictly speaking the full name of the tech is "I-field barrier" because I-fields are used for a bajillion other things as well. 9 times out of 10 the show dialogue will refer to it as barrier too.
>>22924857Ex-S Gundam is an actual I-field with an I-field generator. ZZ Gundam has some shitty disposable beam barrier that burns out after a short period. It's not an actual I-field generator. It's the same category as crappy "beam barrier" they put on Psycho Gundam (which is not an I-field either).
>>22924857That's a cheap beam barrier.Not I-field.Two different technologies.Do your research.Also retconned in later gunpla releases and newer databooks back to anti-beam coating only.Sorry you lose.Give up.
>>22924966>>22924978Sometimes I forget how retarded people here are, my bad. Here's an explanation >>22924959
>>22924610>Wherever you got thatJapanese Wikipedia>>22924655>You seriously quoted the wiki?Yes I quoted "the Wikipedia." Because this anon is right:>>22924857>Page 7 you illiterates.He is correct. The highlighted area says "I-Field." Refer to the Google Translate link below:https://translate.google.com/?sl=ja&tl=en&text=I%E3%83%95%E3%82%A3%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%83%89&op=translate
>>22925279Why is anon talking about ifields when the original question was about armor blocking beams? Everyone knows ifields block beams. Thats not whats being asked. The real question is armor blocking beams directly. Not bending the beam with an ifield
>>22925510He was losing the earlier argument and is trying to shift goalposts. >>22925238>>22925279You still haven't explained why Judau's body was glowing a bright yellow.
>>22925238>>22925279lmao btfo'd these tards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ahBDIDh-k28 seconds in, Messer's regular ass metal shield blocking two beam shots. It's not completely destroyed or anything either, just knocked out of its hand.Armor. Can. Block. Beams.
>>22925279All other databooks released say it was anti-beam coating. With a few saying that Judau used his newtype power with the Biosensor to enhance the anti-beam coating's protection beyond its limits. So unless you have another source to back up your claim, then I'm going to disregard your databook as an anamoly or error.
>>22925561>Messer's regular ass metal shield blocking two beam shots.Pretty sure by this point in UC, all portable shields are made with some level of anti-beam coating. So that scene isn't really anything special. The real question is have we ever seen these "full armor" suits take a beam blast directly to the extra armor? Manga or anime is acceptable.
>>22925564 >With a few saying that Judau used his newtype power with the Biosensor to enhance the anti-beam coating's protection beyond its limits.Exactly.I generally agree with databooks but only if it lines up with what we see on screen. The worst part is it doesn't even make any sense.Why would FA ZZ Gundam have an I-field in one scene, but then not have it in other scenes?Unless you are saying Judau is turning off the I-field for some bizzarre reason, then you can say that's an I-field.It's anti-beam coating.
>>22925578The problem is UC Gundam can't decide how powerful they want beams to be. They want beams to be a threat but also want their super special snowflake Gundams to block beams with their super special snowflake systems. UC writers want their cake and to eat it too. At least Gundam Seed is more straight forward. Beams are always a threat. Gundams do not have any sort of Anti-beam coating on their bodies. Mobile suit Phase shift armor does not block beams or beam sabers. Even beam shields can fail if it's hit enough and they are a massive power drain.
>>22925561>28 seconds in, Messer's regular ass metal shield blocking two beam shots. It's not completely destroyed or anything either, just knocked out of its hand.>Armor. Can. Block. Beams.Shields have anti-beam coating. Because they can. The way it works is by spreading the heat of the beam over a single wide, uninterrupted surface. Very few undisrupted surfaces on a mobile suit are big enough for anti-beam coating to work. That's why it tends to get used on bigass Mobile Armors and not normal MSs.Now we have seen a Dom, in the original Gundam, survive ONE hit from the Gundam's beam rifle. It's when Amuro is counting the targets he's taking out. He shoots it again and it a'splodes. IIRC Amuro's first shot did penetrate the armor, but I guess it didn't hit anything critical on the way through. The second one sure did though.
>>22925607I mean the text says "for a short period of time" so maybe it's only useful for a few seconds before it burns out.That said, I do prefer the idea that it was Judau's ultra newtype megapenispower at work. But all this started because some persnickety anon insisted that it couldn't be newtype powerz because newtype barriers are pink/purple/magenta, not yellow. I guess "Judau's Newtype cock enhancing the effectiveness of the anti-nbeam coating" is as good a no-prize as any.
>>22925510>Why is anon talking about ifields when the original question was about armor blocking beams? Everyone knows ifields block beams. Thats not whats being asked. The real question is armor blocking beams directly. Not bending the beam with an ifieldRead the thread and find out.
>>22925279This picture was posted explicitly to prove that >>22924951 is wrong. Nothing more.
>>22925279>appears that it's alsoSo the author isnt even sure themselves and is leaving room for doubt. Sorry doesn't count. Otherwise he would have used clear affirmative words.
>>22925740how are you this retarded
>>22926155These giant multi purpose shields always bother. Shields by design should be disposable. Not have critical components built into them.
>>22925740Hey. Shit-for-brains. >>22924951 said:>your picture says absolutely nothing about ZZ having an I-field.>NOTHING.The pic for >>22925279 was posted explicitly to prove that >>22924951 is wrong. Nothing more.If you knew how to read a thread, you'd realize that doubt has ALWAYS been a part of this discussion.You're dumb.
>>22926854Not that anon but To be fair, the picture doesn't definitively confirm it has an I-field. Even the Japanese wording itself is written in such a way as to sound like the writer is somewhat guessing and leaving room for interpretation. Other databooks say it was Judau channeling his newtype power through the Biosensor in order to enhance the anti-beam coating of the suit. Which goes back to the original question of why Judau himself was glowing during that scene. Pilots don't "glow" when an I-field is being used.
>>22926884Honestly it makes more sense because Judau was glowing bright yellow in the cockpit and so was the barrier around ZZ Gundam. I-fields do not glow. They are colorless.
>>22925561>can block beams>but a Geara Doga's shield was chewed up by Hathaway's JeganDid Anaheim heavily improve shield tech with the Messer or did they laugh all the way to the bank with Char's money?
>>22927280Oddly enough... There's a random CCA side story that apparently explains why the shield was weak. Some overly zealous pilot who believed in Char's Zeon fought through Londo Bell defense lines. He was angry that Commander Rezin was killed earlier and wanted revenge. His Geara Doga shield had already taken multiple hits from Jegans and was on the verge of collapse. But he refused to fall back and get resupplied. He kept pushing, broke through defense lines. He pushed his luck didn't realize how weakened the shield was. When he encountered Hathaway, the shield was already about to break apart. Literally the shield was on 1% hp. He died cursing the Federation and the fact he couldn't get revenge for Rezin. So that's why the Vulcan bullets broke the shield.I honestly couldn't believe the Japanese took the time to explain it. But then again these are the same people that write side stories for almost every random character in Gundam.
>>22927421The gap between Gundam and Star Wars EU is we didn't get violated by Disney yet.
