Haman's death is one of the stranger moments in Gundam. It comes out of nowhere, they didn't want Judau to kill her and she couldn't survive because she'd ruin the story of Char's Counterattack. So she randomly kills herself. Didn't feel like the show built up to this.
The Haman and Char arc getting no actual closure is insane. Like I get that Char and Amuro getting closure is paramount, but you can't just introduce a character dynamic, dangel it in front of our face like a carrot on a stick, and then say fuck you I am bored I am going to make a movie.
>>22886947>>22886953Welcome to Gundam, enjoy your stay.
>>22886947My favourite part in ZZ is when Puru sacrifices herself to save everyone and is forgotten instantly
>>22887110My least favorite part of ZZ threads is when you post the same reply every single time.
>>22886947>>22886953motherfucker it had 60 episodes of buildup
>>22886953It did get closure. She thought she killed him and Char never really cared much about her to begin with so he didn't care enough to rematch her. Sure it's not as exciting as Amuro and Char fighting to the mutual death but Char can only do that once.
>>22886953I get the feeling Tomino regretted ever introducing that story.
>>22886947I don't think she has much options left. Her forces are nearly wiped out and Feds have (finally) arrived to crush any remaining opposition. She failed to fully establish Neo-Zeon and couldn't turn Judau to her side. She chose to maintain her dignity and go out on her own terms in pseudo-kamikaze style.
>>22886947To me, Haman kills herself so that the cycle that started with her and Char doesn't happen again. She doesn't want Judau to do just like her some years laterHaman is a complicated character. Very amoral yet very emotional. Even if some things don't make much sense logically. I guess that's being human
>>22887351>Very amoral yet very emotionalJust call her a woman.
>>22887355It's not just with women. as an example Char is a killer, a manipulator, and borderline a groomer with very suspicious ideals yet you still pity him. .
>>22886947It's not even the most senseless death in that episode
>>22887110What's even funnier is the Moon girl who was barely a companion got more of an emotional funeral than Puru.>>22886947ZZ Gundam was just straight up character assassination to Haman.
>>22887669Her getting scared of Judau and running away crying made me actually angry...but I am also obsessed with this outfit.I understand the whole Haman and Judau relationship, but to me it comes off as even more creepy than her and Char for some reason. Haman you don't have to fuck a high school freshman you're better than that. Char isn't.
>>22887676What if you were that high school freshman?
So, is Haman's thing having terrible taste in men?
>>22887684Haman is normalizing abuse. It was done to her, she wanted it done to her, she WAS that high school freshmen, and she sees nothing wrong with continuing a cycle.
>>22887693You didn't answer my question.
Haman wants Judau because she thinks "This could have been us, me and Char, but I am Char in this scenario and Judau is my pure Newtype love" She would have ruined Judau before he had a chance to 'fix her'.
>>22887669>What's even funnier is the Moon girl who was barely a companion got more of an emotional funeral than Puru.The best part about it though is her death scene has what I assume is a cel error and the piece of rubble that is supposed to kill her visually goes nowhere near her so it just looks like she was killed by nothing.
Why is it okay when women do it?
>>22887786supposedly she dies from some kind of psychic life energy thing
>>2288768you could say that.>In that case, from Char’s perspective, would a character like Haman be viewed the same as Katz?>TOMINO: You see, Haman had a sense of admiration for an ideal of a strong male figure. However, she wasn’t able to comprehend exactly what kind of person fit that archetype. That’s probably why she ended up being the woman that she was. Her approach of showing up after the conflict begins, then attempting to take advantage of either side ultimately makes her a petty villain. She wasn’t able to comprehend, or rather, she never really knew what a strong male figure was.>So when you simplify it, that’s really all that drives her character?>TOMINO: That’s correct.
>>22888228for >>22887688
>>22887786>>22887937yeah this is a fansub issue.Rasara and Sarasa were using their newtype power to the protect the Nahel Argama. This gets shown a few episodes prior when Haman sneaks aboard the ship with Rasara deflecting a beam fired at Mondo and placing a barrier around the Moon-Moon ship (this gets utterly mangled in some of the subs and comes off as nonsensical). Rasara deflects the shot and puts up the barrier and the Axis pilot is left utterly baffled. https://files.catbox.moe/bb8pun.webpBut in the Anime_Legend subs which basically everyone saw before the official release, he says something like ‘I hope they didn’t notice the barrier’ which makes it seem like he set it up and was doing it on purpose. That and some other lines were utterly butchered which made the whole return of Rasara arc complete nonsense at times. After that, Sasara directly points out that her sister’s energy is getting low which is why she seeks out Haman in hopes of brokering a peace agreement. When Stamper tries to… stamp on Mondo, Rasara throws herself over him and psychically pushes his suit back which is why he randomly stops and then falls over. Her life energy is fully drained and she dies because of it
>>22886947Haman is the typical femcel, she'd rather kill herself if she can't have chads like Char and Judah, than date an autistic incel like Kamille or a simp like Mashymre
Why do people consider CDA canon?
>>22888485People with brains don't.
>>22888535It's so convoluted and keeping Haman a virgin makes her look EXTRA pathetic. She reminded him of Lalah, he hit it, got in too deep with Axis politics when he was't ready, quit it, and now hell hath no fury like a lover scorned. It is simple shit that we all picked up through subtext, and instead you have Char get an OC pregnant and Haman almost raped because you want your waifu to stay a pure virgin.
>>22886947>expecting coherency from a Tomino story
>>22887137>i didn't want to go into thatThat right there cements some UC shows as completely mediocre whether he likes it or not.
>>22887137And how much Google digging did it take to find that old ass interview? Or did someone else link it for you
>>22888577Yeah, 0083 and Unicorn in particular.
>>22888242>That exta convenient magicThis is why ZZ is shit>>22888558Ive never read much of CDA but that all sounds like good charicterization to me.Pathetic is a word that fits Haman to a T. Shes someone who has herself together in her career but has a shitheap of a personal life which is why Scirocco was interested in her. You shouldnt be so worried about her honor really it was trashed the moment she wanted Char back and even further mangled when she had that grudge match with him in Zeta.You are more worried about her being a waifu than the manga is it sounds if anything. She isnt meant to have dignity or be like a cool tigress from Bleach shes supposed to be pining for special cock and never moving on from the fact she didnt.Pic unrelated
>>22888677Go back vedditor.
>>22888677No, like, you have to read it because it is the most convoluted way to get two characters to NOT FUCK that I have ever seen.
>>22888228Makes sense, Haman is a manipulative cunt who wanted to wait at the finish line but also wants attention from her first love and offers to backstab Scirocco if Char will take her back. She's basically just a cheating whore who doesn't deserve any sympathy.
>>22887110Because nobody in the show actually liked Puru or wanted her around, she just refused to fuck off.
>>22887116In his defense, the thing he is complaining about will remain true forever.
>>22889102>A little girl died.>A little girl who was friends with our good friend died.I dunno, even if they didn't like her, it still feels like it should have shaken up more people than just Judau. Even if you look at it as everyone maybe realizing how real shit was getting, when a pilot around their own age group just bit the dust. Instead they all just act kind of annoyed and frustrated at Judau for not getting over it quicker.
Why do I love these pedophiles so much?
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>>22889191They both look really unhappy and it is really funny.
>>22887676>>22887704This completely goes against her character in Zeta. While she loves Char, she is still willing to kill him. She never lets her feelings for Char override her goals. She doesn't fall for Paptimus or Kamille. She was an anti-love interest.
>>22889226>While she loves Char, she is still willing to kill himshe was only willing to deliver a death blow to the hyaku shiki at the very end, she didn't fucking do it anytime during the 20 episodes leading up to that
>>22886947The end of ZZ is a clusterfuck
>>22889339>some people die>some gtfo to jupiter>a clusterfuckWatch more anime.
>>22889349The last third had massive rewrites because CCA got greenlit
>>22889358And you think that's exclusive to ZZ? WMA.
>>22889378I guess you're right, every gundam show has a fucky production that screws up the ending.Except Zeta.
She rekt herself because the alternative was a Federation shooting squad. She was a war criminal, haven't you noticed it? You waifufags are really hopeless
>>22887110Everybody treated Puru as disposable. And Judau comes off as a malevolent groomer for pretending to care about her, but then not even having a reaction once she dies. >>22889102Yep, they are all two-faced and sociopathic. A clique that runs on nepotism and only uses strangers to their own benefit.
>>22887937Which was never shown. Too lazy to animate? They had no issue with illustrating Newtype powers as colourful dust elsewhere.
You know for the ship being pretty hard in ZZ and OL Haman sama there's a lack of Judau and Haman stuff. if you know what i mean
>>22889661>the shipIt's a major plot point.
I haman a groomer?
>>22886953Char is a psychopath and doesn't care for anyone beyond Amuro and his indian oneitis.
>>22889226She loves him. Even in their final fight she surgically dismembered the Hyaku Shiki's limbs with her funnels. She never wanted to really hurt him. He blew himself up in the end.
>>22887355You have to be 18 to post here
Char and Haman leads to way better hatesex than Char and Garma. Fucking fight me.
So Char grooming Quess to be used as a weapon is seeing as fucked up, as it should. Yet Haman grooming Judau to be her lover is seeing as "normal" when she was close to 24 and he was 14? What?
>>22892845She never actually managed to get him to defect, Judau was never actually at her sidealso why spoilers? none of what you said is even vaguely mean, and it's for a show that finished airing in the late 80s?
>>22889492>Judau comes off as a malevolent groomer for pretending to care about herNo he didn't. He very plainly found her annoying, just didn't want her going around killing people. He also got the newtype rage power up when she died and almost killed Puru 2 only to stop because Puru 2 was also Puru
Char should have been in ZZ. He should have been the one to kickstart the Neo Zeon Civil War
>>22887137Honestly, having the real inciting incident of Londo Bell being a small team of Titan loyalists killing Mineva and the Federation needing to put together an anti-Federation force that's not made of crazies would make things easier.That frees up Char to take over Neo Zeon, gets the Spacenoids to understand their support needs to be done in private, and does really stoke the whole "genocide everyone on Earth" thing.
>>22892845Char grooming Quess was basically Lalah 2.0: Now With No Sexual Feelings.
>>22892845I rarely see anyone acting like Haman trying to fuck Judau is somehow "normal", people just make the typical jokes because they think Haman is hot. In most serious discussions people recognize Haman has some really obvious unresolved emotional issues.
>>22889226Haman, while interested in Judah, never lets him foil up her plans. The only time I'd say she loosens up was during their final duel when Neo Zeons was straight up collapsing
>>22889104Everyone on the ship hated Puru so it isn't that strange if you ask me.
If Judau is what Haman was like before the whole Char thing, then what would Judau look like if Haman did to him like what Char did to her?
>>22886947Part of it is without it, ZZ would have fallen flat at the end. So they sacrificed her for it, and how they planned a lot for Char's Counterattack by that point, and I'm not exactly sure about it, but ZZ wasn't as popular for the figure sales as they wanted with her, so they wanted to wrap everything up. Shame since she makes my dick hard.>>22886953Mostly since they didn't want Char to return until the film.
>>22901973scirocco?
>>22901973Glemi?
>>22901973Mashmyre. Judau would be Marshmallow 2.0
>>22889193Char is unhappy due to being a leader and hanging out with a fangirl that imitates all the surface level qualities of OYW him.Haman is upset because Char is a guy who masks his feelings but still clearly hates her so she has to pretend that it doesn't bother her.
>>22886947I think Haman's story suffers from being told through the lens of other characters as well as being tied to Char's character, except he either isn't allowed to be in ZZ or Tomino and his staff decided to hold back on him. It's a very Japanese storytelling thing they like doing, but once you get into the mindset that a lot of the female characters bounce off each other and the Purus are what-ifs of Haman if she met Judau instead of someone like Char then her story makes a lot more sense. Her death becomes more of her being resigned to the fact that it's too late for her to change, that she's gone too far in pursuit of an unavailable person (Char) and she can never truly get what she wants even with a substitute (Judau).Silent Voice being from her perspective and that shot in the second OP of the Purus morphing to Haman got me to think of her through those lens, and it made my read of the entire situation make much more sense.
>>22901973Char did absolutely nothing to/with Haman, that's the whole point of their pseudo-relationship
>>22907204>that shot in the second OP of the Purus morphing to Haman got me to think of her through those lenHmm I never thought about it that way.
>>22887355Shut up, Wufei.
>>22887355
>>22887676It's a really great dress and she should have worn it more
>>22892845Oh damn you mean Haman is doing to Judau what Char should have done to her? What's that? Haman fell in love with the most emotionally unavailable man in the universe at a young age and she is basically a fucking idiot? Well shit.
>>22909302She thought she could fix him.
