Hey they are doing the comic for F91 too.Let's see how much story material got "updated".
>>22905993Who is doing it, 0083 Rebellion was good but the Zeta manga was just bad.
>>22906090The same guy who did Prequel
>>22905993Is this an adaptation or a continuation?
>>22906132Most likely an adaptation since both the F90 and the F91 manga are part of the NextUC100 project
>>22906159F91 Prequel is not part of the project. Its events are directly contradicted by the F90FF series.
>>22908104How come?
>>22905993I am now sad that pic's Zeta Gundam project was cancelled years ago because of artist health.
>>22908110Anon what’s this image
>>22908114Amuro and Char.
>>22908108Because there's this one autist convinced that Bandai never plans any of their Gundam projects and every single one is made up on the fly
>>22908154It wouldn’t make sense, ESPECIALLY the recent A.O.Z reboot references in f90 cluster.
>>22908154I gotta play the role of a devil's advocate here.Bandai planning out their Gundam projects doesn't contradict them being trigger happy about greenlighting all those alt UC manga, like 0083 Rebellion, Zeta Define or Beltorchika's Children. Not to mention the leeway they give their authors (according to Hasegawa).>>22908172A.O.Z. reboot references are very curious and I'd love to have more stuff from it in Cluster, considering it takes place on Mars, but I doubt that it came from Bandai. The same team hid a Zorin Soul cameo in FF and Banrise would never approve it.
>>22906102Ah fuck
>>22908221What's wrong with him?
>>22908227The Prequel was just kinda not great, felt very minimum effort with little care for the setting itself.
>>22908229Isn't most of it lifted directly from Tomino's novel?
>>22908237as if we could compare
>>22908110Me sad
>>22905993I see what Bandai is doing. They want to semi-reboot and expand the F91 era. They want to slowly get rid of the "30 years of peace" that Tomino said existed between CCA and F91. Then if the F91 expanded manga is successful...maybe give F91 some "Gundam Origin" animation. Hopefully get fans interested in the new F91 era of UC Gundam. To move away from Zeon completely but still market UC Gundam in the F91 era.
>>22908292I mean in comparison to previous battles from the days of the titans and neo zeon it’s very minor
>>22908237it's the bits that aren't taken from it that are bad
>>22908323Such as?
>>22908404Inexplicably messing up dates and completely misrepresenting Neo Gundam
>>22908292It's sorta peaceful. If the OYW was WWII and Zeta and so-on are comparably some big incident like the Cuban Missile Crisis, then all these encounters are largely small-scale and local. Nothing that threatens Earth and most of the population doubtfully knows anything happened. It's like a random tribal war in Africa except with modern tech.
>>22908527OYW = World War 2Zeta = Korean War ( Korea {Federation} falls apart into civil war between two factions and splits into two countries. Lots of fighting. Lots of outside influences {USSR and USA} secretly investing into each side winning )ZZ = American Vietnam War or Soviet Afghanistan War( Neo Zeon {USA or USSR} invades a country with inferior military {broken post-Gryps war Federation} and has MASSIVE initial success. Then gets bogged down and not able to achieve quick victory. War drags out. They suffer from hit and run attacks from militia groups {AEUG} eating away at their resources. Neo Zeon {USA or USSR} suffer political infighting and protests. Eventually smaller country gets more support and overthrows invaders. Then invading Neo Zeon country suffers a collapse {USSR} or near-collapse/massive economic depression {USA} )
>>22908542these parallels fall apart instantly
>>22908553Your mom falls apart easily.
>>22908553Honestly this is waste of a post. Probably a bait. Do better anon.
>>22908573>>22908650damn you're seething that hard over being called out for idiocy huh?
>>22908654Not even the same person anon.Low effort posts shouldn't be rewarded.
>>22908553>these parallels fall apart instantlyIn what way?
>>22908673I agree wholeheartedly
>>22908292The peace isn't getting eroded. Most of the conflict post CCA and pre-f91/victory is mostly skirmishes with rag tag forces and special interests groups rather than massive formal armies. Mobile suit/military doctrine seemed to also have shifted to having normal forces acting sorta of like auxiliaries with what ever equipment they have. While more elite and professional forces with up-to-date, customized or limited production MS deal with the main threat.
>>22908741To be fair I'm pretty sure that isn't what Tomino meant. It definitely violates the spirit of his words. He didn't mean, "well there's peace for 30 years....EXCEPT for small skirmishes...oh yeah there's that super powerful white Unicorn Gundam that can travel through time and block Colony Laser blasts...and 2 more were made....oh yeah and like 20 other battles that happen... Don't forget about those too..."It's why Tomino kept saying Gundam, as he considers it, is over after CCA. It's why Tomino chewed out Fukui for copying all his ideas and repeating it.
>>22908862You're pretty damn dumb
>>22908862>It's why Tomino chewed out Fukui for copying all his ideas and repeating it.I'll admit, it's been awhile since I exposed myself to this drama, but last I was aware, Tomino saw the specifically the first and last episode of the original Unicorn OVA and didn't have any problem with it. When did he chew out Fukui? I mean, he's a grumpy dude, so I don't doubt something was said, but I don't think Tomino has quite the problem with people that worked on modern Gundam so much as just a general complicated opinion of Gundam in general that has a lot more to do with Bandai/Sunrise than any of the actual anime works themselves.
>>22908862>He didn't mean, "well there's peace for 30 years....EXCEPT for small skirmishes...oh yeah there's that super powerful white Unicorn Gundam that can travel through time and block Colony Laser blasts...and 2 more were made....oh yeah and like 20 other battles that happen... Don't forget about those too..."Yeah, no, considering that he wrote HF, that's EXACTLY what he meant.>It's why Tomino kept saying Gundam, as he considers it, is over after CCA.What a weird thing to say while discussing a quote from F91.
>>22909341Except in the F91 novel he acknowledges other minor conflicts going on. The Feds are just lazy. And Tomino didn't chew out Fukui. He fucking toured with him for a while.
>>22909341>Yeah, no, considering that he wrote HF, that's EXACTLY what he meantLmao. You didn't read Hathaway's Flash did you? It's supposed to be a Cold War analogy.Hathaway is like those Soviet Generals that couldn't accept the Cold war was coming to an end, and their side (Soviets) lost. Peace was coming whether the Generals liked it or not. So they tried a Coup on the government to extend the conflict, failed badly, and were executed.
>>22909359>And Tomino didn't chew out Fukui. He fucking toured with him for a while.Why is there always a retarded Fukui fanboy in every thread?
>>22909359Hey, I'm also just saying that "30 years of peace" is something that Tomino himself threw out, if we don't exclude relatively small-ish scale terrorism, which is an umbrella that all conflicts between the CCA and F91 can be included under. Hell, I'm sure he must've been aware and approved of F90 project that was been used as a prequel around that time, which includes one of those.>And Tomino didn't chew out Fukui. He fucking toured with him for a while.I wasn't the one arguing either way, but I think there was an interview where Tomino said that Unicorn is too deriviative of something that he already did, which is a fair criticism, but I doubt Tomino had any particular animousity over that.
>>22908966In short, Tomino saw some storyboards of Gundam NT. Got upset and took a day off. Then came back in later and chewed out the Gundam NT writer (Fukui) - which included some not so nice words. Tomino hammered Fukui and some other NT staff members for not being able to do any completely new stories, and repeating themes that he (Tomino) already covered in the Char's Counterattack movie and earlier UC shows. That they haven't moved a single step beyond what he (Tomino) has already done in UC. They are just repeating what he's done.Essentially Tomino wants Fukui to do new things and stop copying him.
>>22908966Tomino chewed out the "UC Next 0100" team which worked on Unicorn and Gundam NT. Particularly Fukui. Tomino was mad they were copying his old anime ideas and ripped into Fukui and told him and the producers to do new things.
>>22909370Tomino wanted Gundam to end with CCA. The wrote Hathaway's Flash as a non-canon afterthought novel where he brutally murdered Hathaway for trying to start war shit again.
>>22909364what the fuck are you on about
>>22909364So that level of conflict is relatively peaceful, got it.>>22909386He wrote it after Gaia Gear and during later stages already while working on F91.What he wanted and what he did is different. At most you can say that the story that he considered his Gundam and not just the brand name is MSG to CCA, and he wanted to move on at the time, but that's irrelevant.
>>22909365Why are there always fuckwits that can't stop parroting the same slop against the guy? >>22909370Tomino NEVER threw out that comment. He didn't sign off on F90 because that was started ENTIRELY by the Hobby Division. Why do people think Tomino had to sign off on anything? He SOLD the fucking rights to Gundam right after the first series for like 300K yen. He doesn't and hasn't had to sign dickshit for approval.>>22909376Where was this mentioned? >>22909382Where was this mentioned? Genuinely interested in an article/interview. >>22909386No he didn't. It was originally supposed to be part of Hi-Streamer. It ended up being a continuation of Beltorchika since Streamer didn't pan out the way he wanted. >>22909430No he didn't. He wrote it concurrently with Gaia Gear. He was submitting Gaia Gear monthly to Newtype mag and they often didn't get it until the last minute.
>>22909443The Tomino Gundam novels were never really canon to the official anime. They were just books for Tomino to experiment with some ideas he had. It's why the books are a radical departure from his anime. Like the 0079 books where Amuro bangs Sayla and later dies. Or where the Federation loses the war. Plus Tomino said that he doesn't consider anything made after CCA to be "Gundam" in his eyes.
>>22910048Citation needed. Where did he say this? Kinda hard for him when he fucking insists Gundam be passed on to younger people.Also, if his shit isn't "canon" (what the fuck is it with you ENGtards and that word), why is all the fundamental lore taken from those same novels?
>>22910048EXACTLY.That's why even Tomino's reaction to Hathaway's Flash was cold and he didn't care.Look at all the available interviews. I'll summarize Tomino's reaction to HF across several interviews. >Tomino: lol what? You are ACTUALLY adapting that old HF book I wrote as anime 30 years ago? You really found someone who is going to direct HF? Really??>Lmao. No. I don't feel proud of HF. I feel nothing. I don't remember what the hell the book was even about at all. I don't remember the plot or a single thing about HF at all. Want to talk about Char's Counterattack instead?>Honestly I'm surprised you are adapting that HF old book. It's dark and depressing. I could never do it and it's not suited for modern anime. I would not direct it even if I was asked. >Gundam is a war story about ARMIES fighting. UC Gundam ended with Char's Counterattack. And Gundam overall ended after "Turn A Gundam" which unifies all Gundams. >HF is not relevant at all to the modern day. Especially 30 years after the Cold War ended. But okay Bandai whatever. Thanks for the royalty checks, I will add it to my pile of money.>Let's talk about G-Reco instead. G-Reco is not a Gundam story and is not for fans of old Gundam. G-Reco is a happier story. I love these movies.
>>22910069>why is all the fundamental lore taken from those same novels?people starved for creative sourcesCCA was based heavily on some novels but those novels ain't part of the timeline either
>>22910070>HF is not relevant at all to the modern day.Lol. Lmao even.
>>22910069For lack of a better word, it's not "canon" because Amuro FUCKING DIES and the novel like 65% different compared to the anime. Did you miss that part?
>>22910239That anon is being a tardo, but a lot of foundational lore and worldbuiling does end up coming out of all of the Tomino novels. Their actual plots don't ever supersede the anime, but whatever lore they present which doesn't conflict with the anime tends to be regarded as canon.Except for maybe now CCA in regards to Hathaway. I've lost all track to what the fuck is going on there. If the Hathaway films are just for fun and don't count, being called UC canon but they conflict with CCA because what does a corporation care, or if they'll change the books to line up with anime canon.
>>22908227Nta but it's very boring
>>22910250>foundational loreSo what? The videos games and manga share the same "foundational lore" but that does not mean they are canon to the original TV anime. Sounds like you splitting hairs. We don't say Gundam the Origin or Gundam Thunderbolt share the same timeline as original 0079 despite sharing similar lore.
>>22910048>>22910070holy fuck how stupid are you people
>>22910250Amuro dies in the novels. Half the mobile suits aren't the same. Some of the technology is different. The Federation loses the war. There's no way to mix the novels and anime together as one.
>>22910069>>22910097>>22910239>>22910250>>22910291>>22910330It's actually a matter of cherry picking from non-animated sources and relating them into animated works. The attachable gas cannisters used by the Titans from Mobile Suit Z Gundam came from the MSG novels for starters.Therefore, those gas cannisters are, since we can't use "canon" in cases like this, "officially recognized by Bandai Namco/Sunrise because it's in an animated work".
>>22910330Jesus fucking Christ how did you not actually read any of my post?Also the Federation doesn't lose. Goddamn you are dumb.
>>22910364Their space fleet was wiped out by the Colony Laser unlike the anime. You didn't read the novel.
>>22910363>It's actually a matter of cherry pickingThat's called head-canon.
>>22910389The Zabi's are dead, the White Base helped make it happen, and the war is over. The Federation still won.
>>22910363Anon. They are two different stories with the same characters.
>>22910436You are trying to be stupid. You are good at it though.
>>22910461Your baiting skills have grown weak. If you are going to bait someone, then at least start with some truth mixed with lies. Don't start with 100% lies. Too obvious.
>>22910070Disbelief, yes, but that melted away when he saw it and thought it came out well. Nice try. >>22910097CCA wasn't based on the novels. The movie was already under production when the novels started in Animage. Nice try. >>22910363You're seriously stretching with the gas canister angle.
>>22910603>>22910603>Disbelief, yes, but that melted away when he saw it and thought it came out well. Tomino praised some of the cinematography and choreography of movie calling it cinematic looking. But that's it. Tomimo didn't retract, contradict, or change any of his earlier remarks about the writing of HF. With it being too depressing and irrelevant to the modern era. He actually repeated his comments about the story.
>>22910603>CCA wasn't based on the novels. The movie was already under production when the novels started in Animage. Nice try.dates?
>>22910849Nta, but if you're so smart and claim to know what's up, shouldn't you know or are you just spewing horseshit as facts like everyone here?
>>22910251Isn't that the way it's supposed to be? The movie is where the fun stuff started.
>>22910291Clearly they do because Seabook's Data Gundam from this month's Gundam Ace clearly indicates the South Seas Alliance base colony and Thunderbolt Sector in his blurb.
>>22911692All that means is that those places are in the main universe as well.
>>22911692Is that written in an in-universe context like the Monthly Mobile articles? Or is it out-of-universe like most databooks? Because it ain't like you can point to anything like this page scan and say NT-D was developed by time and dimension hopping to steal data from F91, Crossbone, and Shining Gundams
>>22910939I don't fucking know, why the fuck would I be asking if I already knew
>>22913258No. It's an encyclopedia entry, treated as what's official in the universes. Also, considering you can't read what that page says, it's comparing the DESTROY MODE to the crazy ass modes of other suits in entries like F91 and alt-UC like Crossbone and AU like G Gundam
>>22913228So there is no alt-UC then. You shithead ENGtards move the goalpost so fucking much it's idiotic.
>>22913759Zeta ANT and Zeta Define are alt-UC retellings of Zeta, so obviously the concept is there.Same goes for Hi-Streamer and Beltorchika's Children to CCA.All alt-UC means is pieces of UC that contradict UC canon. Origin and Thunderbolt do exactly that.EXCEPT, parts of them that don't do that can be easily adopted into the mainline. You see how it works?
>>22905993>Eternal Wind>EWYou will never be Wing.
>>22914071Wing is at fault for stealing the abbreviation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gyFVYI62TY
>>22914071You're right, it will never be as bad as Wing.
>>22914110Wing is kino.
>>22914116Wing is an entertaining trashy series and I get how one could like it, but it isn't actually good when taken seriously as anything but.
>>22914125Wrong.
>>22914068The fact that people think this exists is hilarious. There is zero distinction when it comes to data and lore, it's all lumped together. Separating everything down into compartmentalized series or timelines or whatever you want to fucking call it is the dumbest most autistic thing on the planet. Literally no one cares whether two series go together or not unless you're going to whip your tiny micro dicks out and start arguing over which suits existed in which battlefield. Literally no one cares.
>>22914347Really, it mattered in the sense that if they weren't considered canon we wouldn't see Origin or Thunderbolt referenced in other UC material. But now both have started getting referenced, so any kind of discussion is completely moot. They're effectively canon and any discussion against it is pointless.
>>22914347From the official sunrise twitter account.
>>22914365Old and outdated. Current stance: https://youtu.be/mj3zDGgFRXw?si=MpripEgjJ4r69wZo
>>22914347If you don't care about it then why are you even posting about this to people that care, especially when you're clearly not intellegent enough to comprehend what's being said?Mentally challenged homosexuals such as yourself should stick to Aldnoah.Zero.
>>22914413Nta but do tell me how being an autistic fucktard about whether a cartoon is alt-UC or not is beneficial to you or anyone else. How could it possibly make of break viewing experience or lore
>>22914455>Nta but do tell me how being an autistic fucktard about whether a cartoon is alt-UC or not is beneficial to you or anyone else. It's generally good to be informed to have a better understanding of the work and it's relation to other works, even for the most entries it's a useless factoid, for others it can enrich your experience.>How could it possibly make of break viewing experienceIt doesn't for people that can enjoy every work for what they are. If you feel like people saying that the work you enjoyed isn't canon invalidates your personal experience, try to get a healthier relationship with it.>or loreNot having to fit things together that don't really fit is sure an advantage and it leaves the room for "what ifs" and crazy stuff like Gigantis Counterattack and MAD WANG.
>>22914503It's relation to other works does not enrich or diminish based on whether or not it's "canon." Scrutinizing something defeats the entire fucking purpose of the entertainment that was created. Why would you need to "look into the entry" in that much detail? I don't care whether a certain entry of star wars fits into any sort of canon, I just watch it and enjoy it.
>>22914975>It's relation to other works does not enrich or diminish based on whether or not it's "canon."In a meta way, you're right, it doesn't do it directly.>Scrutinizing something defeats the entire fucking purpose of the entertainment that was created. Why would you need to "look into the entry" in that much detail?No, it doesn't. Entertainment comes in a lot of forms. Some people play sports for fun, some people solve puzzles, some play with toys and imagine scenarios based on that."Looking into the entries" is something people often do FOR THE FUN OF IT. If you prefer to consume media and go for next one instead without any kind of a thought given to it, more power to you, but you shouldn't assume that all the other people are same as you.
