>40 years later is still the coolest transforming mecha
>>22919765>Hikaru colorsbased
>>22919775Because Strike Valk is more iconic in red
>>22919783>tfw still no good gunpla of VF-1These DX toys are cool but I am not paying $500 for a base model and another $500 for strike parts and a missile kit. And nothing beats building a model by yourself anyway.
>>22919775Roy colors are tarnished by robotechfags
>>22919791>gunplaLearn 2 glue
>>22919800>non-transforming
>>22919791i heard good things about the 1/72 Bandai VF-1 model kit.it has a few problems, like you need metal replacement parts for the hip joints and the proportions doesnt look good on Battroid mode and the legs articulation isnt that particularly good. and the strike/super packs were overprinted compared to the number of VF-1s printed. But for a $50 of a fully transforming VF-1 model kit, its pretty good.it would be perfect though if Bandai just used the pre-assembled multijoints they use on RG for more stabilityits also a mystery why they haven't re-printed these
>>22919791Buy the yamato bootleg from china.With the strike pack = $150
>>22920035Since they finally managed to make an almost perfect Zeta, good VF-1 gunpla should be possible now with modern engineering
>>22919791It might happen with the new 1/100 HG Macross line, you never know.
>>22919775I think it's unfathomably cursed that Hikaru's 1S has a red heat shield, but the brief time you see Max fly a 1S of his own he has a black heat shield like Roy.
OK, now we are talking cool
>>22920708cry me a river
>>22920696I prefer the red heat shield with Hikaru colors. Looks fresh as opposed to the same old black Jolly Roger.
We're getting closer to that military aesthetic!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dB5gHEdcRg
I don't think any of the fully transforming VF kits are very far from being plastic bombs. I heard oodles of issues with VF-25/27/31.
>>22920783Yeah but it's less that and more the part where Max's 1S can't be bothered to have a blue heat shield that really catapults everything to do with Skull colors S-Valks into cursed coloring territory where no one can stay consistent.
>>22919765I'm more of a Nirvash type guy. Car mode + surfboard are just that cool.
>>22919765The coolest transforming mecha is a planet.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqaHbRB_AQ
>>22920783Akimans first...
>>22919765Whats the advantage of the biped over the half and half? The latter seems to have a lower profile, has its machineguns out and needs less time to go back to being an airplane.
>>22924497It'll sell more toys, and can be packaged as part of the transformers line.
I just finished episode 23 of the original Macross. Is cousin incest normal in Japan? Why aren't Hikaru and Misa finding Minmay and her cousin getting together (or so they think) strange in the slightest?
>>22924497Variable fighters were first designed in anticipation of contact with a war-capable race of giant humanoids, and so for combat within structures designed to be navigated and operated by such giants an equivalently proportioned humanoid form would make sense. After all, the titular Macross was itself one of those ships captained by giant humanoids before it was retooled for human operation. After the initial VF-1 Valkyrie's deployment and the close of Space War I, the original need for the battroid mode became less of an issue yet was nonetheless retained as part of the identity of variable fighters as highly flexible multi-purpose combat machines, equal parts jet, combat VTOL and nimble destroid-successor. This part of their utility is retroactively demonstrated in the events of Macross Zero, which shows what early conventional warfare involving variable fighters could entail.Also, it's the franchise gimmick and it sells toys. It was supposedly the episode 1 big surprise that the seemingly realistic F14 lookalike even turned into a giant robot back when SDFMacross first broadcasted.
>>22924740Just drop this crap and go straight to DYRL. You have enough context by ep 23 to enjoy DYRL fully.
>>22919765>coolest transforming mechaNah.
>>22924740They weren't actually dating, he's just a controlling freak. It's not normal, he's not normal, even for Chinese.
>>22925089>They weren't actually datingnta but Minmay straight up says that she likes Kaifun. They were absolutely dating after a point but it cooled off after he became a total nutjob during the timeskip.
>>22924740Can't say whether it's normal or not since I obviously don't live in Japan but it's legal there and lots of anime show romantic interest between cousins.
>>22925317Thanks for the clarification, it's been several years since the last time I watched it and only remember her not denying it rather than confirming it, which has a different meaning. If you remember the episode number I'll go check it out. Cheers.
>>22919794Who cares?
>>22925317>she likes KaifunYeah as in "wow my cousin is so cool and handsome".
>>22924740I mean, cousin marriages are still a thing in many parts of the world right now. But yeah it wasn't really that long ago that cousin marriages were not that uncommon in all the East Asian countries. By the 80s you still heard it every now and again but it was definitely fading away. Nowadays it barely exists outside of anime memes.
Whats the coolest valkyrie to get? A chogokin dx or the hi-metal r?
>>22925573>Nowadays it barely exists outside of anime memes.Says who?
>>22926930I think all the premade statues have drawbacks. Price if nothing else.Personally I'm holding out for a VF-1 HG.
>>22920701This makes me diamonds
Hey Hi-Metal R Valkyries are smaller in scale that the DX Chogokin right? or they are both the same I want to start collecting some.
>>22927404Using Arcadia as a reference, Hi-Metal R is smaller than DX Chogokin's leg
>>22927469forgot the pic
>>22927404Significantly smaller, like in the 1/100 range to the DXC VF-1's 1/48.Or, to put it another way, small enough that there exists a Destroid Monster HMR.
>>22927471It's really impressive how well the 1/48 yamato toys hold up after all these years. They're no DX sure, but for the time they're so so cool. So glad to own a handful
>>22929686Shame the legs are so shallow that the arms stick out of the underside, though.
>>22929814Yeah, true. It's like THE drawback in fighter mode. The rest of its profile silhouette is really nice though
Anyone ever tried get one of these models that require painting but do not paint it lol. Will it look awful? I'm gonna try this with a metal gear solid and the sdf-1 by the end of the year.
>>22932078You should paint it anon I believe in you!
>>22919765It's not a very high bar to clear. Transforming mecha are a gimmick that suck and often turn out as the worst of both worlds.
>>22920354>good VF-1 gunpla should be possible now with modern engineeringIf they bother with 1/72 Scale anymore, looks like they're just doing 1/100 Partsforming kits
>>22920035The kit suffered from some bizarre design choices (like the replaceable wing chunks for the hard points) and the plastic quality combined with the tininess of the VF-1 just didn't work at this scale. Ironically the anime accurate leg delivery mechanism was the one thing that worked correctly.
The VF-1 was made smaller than mobile suits to help the series stand out from Gundam. It became a bit of a curse when subsequent Valkyries got bigger and bigger.
>>22920057I'm interested. Is this on alixpress?
>>22924497It was discovered accidentally by the series's mecha designer, and I believe that was carried over into the show's lore as well. Also, the gerwalk mode can't really walk all that well and usually hovers from place to place, although that might have just been lazy korean animators.
>>22938137Kawamori and Miyatake were shopping around a hard sci-fi series about bird walker robots called "Genociders" but none of the toy makers at the time were interested. Empire Strikes Back and the associate AT-ST toy came out while they were working their way through their Battle City Megaroad proposal then eventually became Macross so they felt a bit cheated. While working with Takatoku Toys on Macross itself, a prototype of their big VF-1 toy accidentally swung its legs forward and they realized they could incorporate their old Gerwalk idea into this show. They always wanted Gerwalks to skim across the ground as they got the idea from watching ski jumpers.
One of the Gerwalk proposals even had wheels on its feet and reversable gun/hand arms like the Macross Zero Destroids.
>>22920057Have they tooled up to do 1A knockoffs or is that just never going to happen?Because it's kinda fucking insane the lengths you have to go to find a Hikaru 1A, especially when you're also going to have to get an old Yammie Hikaru 1S to act as a parts donor for the inevitably broken shoulders on the Hikaru 1A.
>>22937754Original idea for Genociders was basically mini mecha
I prefer Fucker colors(it still says Ichijo)
>>22938979I feel like Kawamori was one of the first "made by otaku for otakus" kind of anime makers. He focused on cool looking mecha with a lot of nerdy details and cute anime girls right away. By contrast, Tomino and Takahashi were like war novelists who were stuck making children shows with Okawara silly toylike designs until their audience grew up.
>>22939413You're mischaracterizing Tomino here, it's well understood he's a product of the culture towards anime production in his time creating a paradox of creative freedom within the seeming prison of toy commercial kid shows, where nobody cared to screen Tomino's work so long as sponsors were kept happy.He wasn't trapped at Sunrise, Sunrise was trapped with him and his maliciously compliant approach to giving sponsors what they asked for.
Whats the real reason Macross toys are so fucking expensive? License stuff?
>>22940211It's a bunch of things. On a per-company level, I can say this of two of the bigger entities:Bandai is afraid of shelf warmers and would underproduce their DX Chogokins habitually, rendering them vulnerable to scalping. They're so afraid of this problem that you'll see them do open preorders for web exclusives to try and meet exact demand based on orders placed, or store-only exclusive releases with strict 1 per customer limits to combat scalping at the source.Yamato kinda killed itself proving that shelf warmer releases and overproduction of color variations is economically suicidal no matter how much goodwill it earns you from diehard fans who'd love something as obscure as a cannon fodder colors VF-1J, and as a result its successor entity Arcadia significantly raised the asking price on their own limited selection of VF figs, balancing it out with the occasional offer of PF variants for those who want their figures fully tampoed from the factory. There was a time when Yamato surplus was dirt cheap though, but they're now semi-collector items you have to stalk Mandarake for and still pay more than what they once went for.Add onto this that if you're not a resident of Japan you had the whole entire extra costs of importing thanks to the shitshow that Harmony Gold had made for Macross until relatively recently, and well let's just say the one silver lining here is that the yen has been absurdly weak relative to the dollar for a while now.
Transforming toys have always been expensive to make an the original 1/55 Valkyrie was sold on thin profit margins so despite being over a million sold they didn't a lot of money on it. Takatoku toys also got fucked over by making their Orguss stuff twice as complex but half as appealing. All the stuff being sublicensed to American companies happened because they were desperate for extra cash.
>MACROSS Shooting InsightHow is it?
Nvm it hasnt been released.
