Tama Returns Edition>New StuffKiminozo out on steam nowhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1777440/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien_Enhanced_Edition/New tactics game + kickstarter serverhttps://x.com/Muvluv_TCSCrowdfund starts later this monthhttps://camp-fire.jp/projects/794591/preview?token=qiy7d6bwMuv-Luv Presents Boarding Bridge 2024https://www.youtube.com/live/wF0AQiHHgmY?si=w5JoSCqvRCshhQMe>Archivesmuv-luv.naruhodo.workers.dev/0:/https://mega.nz/folder/fIhTUKSA#nTRrKtXDoekouDG03HJQIw>Wishlist Rumbling Heartshttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1777440>Teito Moyu on Steamhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2630300>Magazinehttps://e-hentai.org/g/2542863/65080fd76a/https://e-hentai.org/g/2542867/5fbeea10c3/https://e-hentai.org/g/2735417/07efcfe577/https://e-hentai.org/g/3018137/075492061c/>Muv-Luv Alternative Manga1-16: https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/20911206/#q2093826317: https://desuarchive.org/m/thread/21869980/#q21894915>Strike Frontiers assetshttps://mega.nz/folder/9ddhFITD#6BVWt6BLlMsEqi2fICgTfwPrevious: >>22900281
I'm about 8 hours in so far. Can make it go full screen even with steam launch options, not going to fuck around in the files cause I don't care enough. Pic rel is the only glitch. Nothing super bad about the localization yet but I don't speak nip.
I really wonder what the Japanese term here was. Its not bad, I'm just curious
>>22923353If you want it bigger without (hopefully) causing glitches, why not use upscaling software like Magpie?
>>22923389I don't care about the resolution. I just don't want the window border. I also have to hide the taskbar because it clips into the text. Thats my issue
>>22919525Considering that the ML's computer systems are powerful enough to control the TSF - a huge anthropomorphic combat robot - then re-arranging the weight distribution of the ammunition and adjusting the balance and equilibrium according to the pilot's piloting style should not be a problem.If I remember correctly, in canon it was mentioned that the TSF was intentionally made "unbalanced" in order to facilitate evasion (essentially, a downward fall) in the event of the appearance of lasers.
>>22923285Tamabros... we finally won
>>22923940>unbalancedNo no they mean like how balanced airplanes are safe to fly and unbalanced planes instantly 180 on the final mission of Ace Combat 6.Good point though it doesn't matter what the computer can do if you screw up the TSF's intended weight distribution.
I want to rape the smug out of Kei
Hey check it out, I found Kouki & Age's true motto in Kiminozo
AhemFUCK LISE
>By 2001, there were 1.6 billion>there were mass starvation in front line countriesunless the Americas were in pre-industrialized agriculture, that could never happened.With Africa and Oceania, we can discuss about it, but that entire premise is too far. OR, there are too many refugees that are not being counted, who knows...>inb4 NO OIL FROM MIDDLE EAST1-yankees have plenty of that in continent or alaska2-less population? less food needed.That world has serious logistics and industrial output problems(that was said before). Japan moving its industries in 1985? Odd.We can only imagine the maritime routes saturated to hell and back (and the Mediterranean a hot zone, many ships would go "the portuguese way": around Africa)
>>22925151You're not interested in the actual answer, you just want to be as obtuse as fucking possible.
>>22923285Made for UN/American guns
My sister's clones NEED cock, Bridges
anyways
>>22925390Spread your Vulvas open for Democracy! Alaskan cock is cumming for Kamchatka!
>>22925247im not Blyatman, m8.and there is no answer. i think>>22925426dafuq im reading at?>>22925445>Born with altered genetics that cripple your body>"Brainwash"? how about replacing all the brain?>hated by your "comrades" because of your "skills">treated as "rat labs" by the science comunity>used as cannon fodder when the Alt plan gets discardedYup, "life" for them must be miserable...
>>22925504Cryska and Inia are for protecting, marrying and have lots of children with. Matika too. Yui and Stella too.
>>22925504It's not reasonable for one country to feed 1.6 billion people, even as large as American agriculture is. Notwithstanding any complication with the implementation of such on opposite sides of the globe in the middle of a decades long war that the American people likely want nothing to do with, or any complication that arises from logistics.
>>22925547>It's not reasonable for one countryoh, you misunderstood. i was refering to the entire continent, not just US of A only. My bad.And thinking about it, sounds strange that "isolacionism" in a post-WW2 alternate timeline...
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>>22925504>>22925525Democracy is non-negotiable! We are committed to Life, Liberty, Justice, and the Pursuit of happiness. Cryska, Inia, and the Espers shall have their freedom and will be given education and work opportunities that can support an upper middle class life and put eggs, bacon, and toast on their platter. We will continue the work of the esper program to build a future where all peoples can be espers and are not held back by breadlines and tight-lipped soviet bureacrats. The Espers belong in a free land! God Bless the US!
>>22925611Would've been nice to have it. Wonder what the reasoning was for stuff like the Super Hornet and Typhoon (no anime appearances and minimal VN appearances) to get kits long before the Gekishin and Fubuki.
>>22925625I prefer just making them my housewives.
>>22925625>Democracy is non-negotiable!L-land of the freeeeeee
>>22925749At least, she will know what do YOU want, when you just came home...>>22925744woah, mama!
Might be a weird thing for me to bring up, but Edge Of Tomorrow is honestly one of the better unofficial adaptations of Muv-Luv Alternative out there.
>>22926000
>>22926000But... it's an adaptation of All You Need is Kill? When did that come out again?>2004I see, so Alternative is the copy cat...
>>22926064Kouki stole a whole bunch of shit. He's literally on record saying he intrsucted the team on how scenes should be directed by showing them scenes from Blue Gender.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiR0aRx6vFI
>>22926135I always keep mixing up Blue Gender and Vandread.I know that makes me sound retarded because they have nothing in common, but that's because I am retarded.In all seriousness, Blue Gender is the kind of name I'd expect Vandread to have.
Disregard mechs, acquire girlfriend
>>22926274Man I wonder how it was to blind read MLA for the people who read Rumbling Hearts first. Would've been awful
>>22926000i like it, but for some reason, i dont remember why humanity bomb the fuck out of those bugs from the high sky... (nor in the movie, or the manga)>>22926064Muv-Luv Alternative had been in development since 2003, but yeah, there are some similarities in the plot.>>22926135>that vidthe HSST looks very similar... >check on that movie>before i reach the 2 minute mark, i LITERALLY heard the "Sword slashing" sound effectyeeeeah, he took more than "inspiration"...Also, the TSFs basic designs are HWTs from Gunparade March (even the "sword unsheating from the back")
>>22926332I'm curious how the experience of the first Muv-Luv players was, they had no idea Unlimited was coming so did they at first treat it like a joke or a dream sequence just like Takeru did?
>>22926387Muv-luv was advertised as a mecha franchise from the beginning, but I'm not sure how many details were shared about the beta and such.
>>22926359>Muv-Luv Alternative had been in development since 2003It was supposed to be *released* in 2003 with the rest of the trilogy.
>>22925744Little late to convince me to play this now.
>>22926392>but I'm not sure how many details were shared about the beta and such.in Unlimited, they show black models, you dont see the real "face" until Alternative.>>22926451>3 years of "development hell"at least it paid off...i can only imagine how it could be an anime adaptation in that era (2003-2009)>all hand-drawn mecha>primitive 3D>or the "legendary" QUALITY
>>22926064As someone who was introduced to Edge Of Tomorrow (and for that matter, All You Need Is Kill) before I got into Muv-Luv, I was honestly surprised at how striking the similarities between the two (mainly going off the movie here).You've got a war against an eldritch extraterrestrial force that has humanity on the ropes, the only weapon that has a chance against them is a form of exo-suit (mech for MLA, power armor for EOT, the the manga for AYNIK having similar pilot suits to the former), the main hero is a reluctant and rather idiotic newbie who has to go through one horrific trial after another before he toughens up, has a similar relationship with the female lead (who is similar to Meiya, at least in the film), a key plot point involves time travel and a time loop, and the final mission for both is a desperate final push that results in a complete squad kill, and the last scene is the hero traveling back one last time, where he looks to restart his relationship with the female lead.Heck, even the ending theme for EOT, Love Me Again, has lyrics that could also fit with Muv-Luv.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rH4XNaBUTJsI know, it's all most likely a stretch. But it was interesting to note.I guess I'll go so far as to say that Edge Of Tomorrow is the closest we'll get to a live-action Muv-Luv, and also a superior adaptation than the recent MLA anime.
I wonder why TDA didn't get its own manga adaptation?After all, both Unlimited and Alternative got their own very good manga and formed a full-fledged story, even including some additional materials and later expansion games. (There are also mini-mangas that expand on the point of view of the events of various secondary characters, for example about Tatsumiya Mana - https://mangadex.org/title/ca3d5247-82a5-48b9-a921-7079bb9d314b/muv-luv-alternative-tsukikage-wa-yamiyo-ni-arite)Total Eclipse also got its own adaptation, in two versions. Even Schwarzesmarken can boast a "paper" version!But The Day After has NOTHING. Which is strange, because it is very good plot material. In addition, the presence of a printed version of TDA could allow to finish the storyline of this parallel universe of ML - the new part of VN is unknown when it will be released (and will it be released at all?), and in the manga it was possible to continue the story without "game" costs.Any ideas why not?
>>22924263Well, TSFs are not planes, but huge robots with the center of gravity in the torso, so who knows how much "gravity evasion" can be applied.TSFs are not very aerodynamic for an "alternative version" of fighters, even new and non-stealth models are very angular and have many unnecessary elements in the design...The concepts were more streamlined.As for the weight of fuel and ammunition, I repeat that the onboard systems take them into account when calculating auto-balancing, and their consumption is not instantaneous, so their recalculation is not a problem.
>>22925151Well, what ML authors love to do is to spout nonsense and contradict themselves.>By 2001, there were 1.6 billionAnd, given the actual destruction of Eurasia, most of the remaining population are Niggers and Latinos. By the way, there seems to be no mention of ethnic conflicts between, for example, Indian refugees and local whites in Australia, only the generally descriptive "hard life of a migrant."The more strange point is that Japan did not "lead" Asian refugees by providing them with evacuation opportunities and helping to save production and scientific facilities in exchange for the participation of the destroyed BETA countries in some kind of "Pan-Asian Alliance".>there were mass starvation in front line countriesYeah, the American continents are exporters of grub even at the present time with 7 billion people, and in ML agrotechnology allowed already in the 90s to create huge offshore platforms for the production of food from marine life, besides, the reclamation of deserts allowed Australia to become a food producer and on this basis become a new member of the UN Security Council.>NO OIL FROM MIDDLE EASTWell, we also need to add here the loss of access to hydrocarbons from Russia and the inflated prices for hydrocarbons in Southeast Asia due to the proximity to the conflict zone with BETA. But, given the sharp decline in population and, accordingly, the reduction in industry, as well as the more advanced technologies of the ML world and the wealth of oil resources in both Americas, this also cannot be a real problem.>That world has serious logistics and industrial output problemsBETA were able to cross the Tsushima Strait without any problems and destroy half of Japan, but they can't cross the Red Sea and are stuck in the Suez Canal, where they are valiantly held back by the Arab troops (LoL) in F-4s (Wut?). They can't even figure out geography, what logistics?
>>22925504>Yup, "life" for them must be miserable...Considering that Inea and Kasumi became the rulers of the united humanity, you guys are clearly over-hyping the horror and slandering the ML-USSR.
>Humanity had NANOMACHINES,SON and advanced bio-tecnology by the 60s>the only thing they can develop is a glorified MMU with jets strapped on the ass.yep, if that stuff was still being developed until the 2000s, something like Armored Command Units (a big mecha that can build ENTIRE cities) from Supreme Commander can be deployed and LITERALLY raise armies, even with the rests of "hard shell strains" or hard materials. and thats a fictional example, IRL , nanotecnology can get even more crazier.
>>22925635Beautiful.In general, it's funny that the Europeans didn't have any particular difficulties with the development of the TSF. They almost immediately received the excellent A-5 and successfully adapted and modernized it. And then, bypassing the second generation, they switched to extremely successful TSFs of their own design, successfully combining tactical and technological developments of the EU in their application.Hell, these guys are doing so well that the exiled Germans can afford to hold knightly duels among cadets on real TSFs with special equipment. "Problems and troubles? No, we don't know."
>>22926359GP mecha are much more like robotic planes than TSF. Ironically, their monsters are also "cuter" than BETA.
>>22926359Just imagine their collaboration in SRW.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBuuCLp8PdM&t=153s
>>22927388The Yukon incident showed that TSFs can be used as autonomous drones. That is, electronic systems allow the creation of a full-fledged combat unmanned robot capable of team and close-range combat, but instead humanity still uses live pilots despite the enormous losses... In addition, they have real combat exoskeletons, but almost all the infantry that we have seen is equipped "standard" and does not have any high-tech.In addition, despite nuclear engines for spacecraft already in the 60s, the development of railguns became very problematic for these geniuses for no apparent reason.
>>22927379>Considering that Inea and Kasumi became the rulers of the united humanityAfter a BRUTAL civil war, and everyone wanted a "figure" that "unites". (a chained ball can be the flag insignia , if you ask me)>you guys are clearly over-hyping the horror and slandering the ML-USSR>"Paradise Goolag" is a wonderful place to live and existye, put the vodka bottle away for a while, Ivan.
>>22927372Not so fast, boi.>most of the remaining population are Niggers and Latinos.So? nothing changed in proportion, really. >All that STRAYA vs Poojetsin the best case, you can take example on London City today, in the worst case, it would be like abbos vs indians fighting between like monkeys...>Japan>"Pan-Asian Alliance">everyone acts like isolationism is the main currency in diplomacy>BETA were able to cross the Tsushima Strait without any problems and destroy half of Japan, >One of the most catasthropic failures in defense of the war>Troops are extended and spread to contain whatever it comes from the shore>They jam the troop comms from knowing the dire situation, and prevent mass desertions (to where? LMAO)>but they can't cross the Red Sea and are stuck in the Suez Canal, where they are valiantly held back by the Arab troops (LoL) in F-4s (Wut?).>4 or 5 armies fighting in a narrow point>Implying there is not at least 1 or 2 US Navy fleets always around.Suez Canal and Red Sea makes a "double land defense point", which gives an INMENSE advantage. and 2 seas to give naval support. AND, things got bad early, so...And still, from Egypt to Somalia, get the same situation as the Kamchatka Region. Raided constantly.The main difference is that Japan is too far from its logistical support and industrial zones. North Africa can hold its shit because its industries and everything is nearby.
>>22927403>In addition, despite nuclear engines for spacecraft already in the 60s, the development of railguns became very problematic for these geniuses for no apparent reason.This. so much this.
>>22927399>>22927400GPM bros... i feel bad for there were no more decent anime based in that universe/timeline.I wish an archive exists for it...
Kimi ga Ita Kisetsu Steam release when?
>>22927372>there seems to be no mention of ethnic conflicts betweenSM and TE? What the fuck are you saying?>Japan did not "lead" Asian refugeesAccording to whom? Ayamine literally sacrificed his career to help civilians dipshit.>this also cannot be a real problemDo you suppose America knows where all of it's oil is? Do you think oil is some magical self replenishing resource that is sustainable for decades? What a stupid fucking argument from both of you.>but they can't cross the Red Sea and are stuck in the Suez CanalWhat about this is contradictory? Go read TM, fucking idiot.>>22927403>nuclear engines for spacecraft already in the 60We made these IRL around the same time>the development of railguns became very problematicYeah because these are totally the same technologies.>>22927388Nanofibers aren't nanomachines jesus fucking christ
>>22927724he hasn't read anything. don't bother replying to him
>>22927724>Do you suppose America knows where all of it's oil is? Welp, no. BUT, as time passes, and demands keep steady or grows, more surveys will be sent.>Do you think oil is some magical self replenishing resource that is sustainable for decades? What a stupid fucking argument from both of you.>believing oil is a biotic decomposition from dinosaur juiceexaggeration aside, most countries has taken measures , like when Yui sees Yamashiro in her "gas car", implying its "exclusivity" use. and im sure USA had it as a "strategic resource", like in IRL Cold War era.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reserve_(United_States)Also, a lot of technologies that IRL were not considered for various reasons, it could came back on the menu over there... like, Solar Panels (in North Africa that will work like a charm), Thorium nuclear reactors (very stable, but not useful for nuclear weapons), and many others.> >the development of railguns became very problematic>Yeah because these are totally the same technologies.those 2 tecnologies share similar problems: materials. For Railguns, you need good conductivity, the less electric resistance, and to get less wear...>Nanofibers aren't nanomachinesi know, but its not the only thing that they were developing, m8. second paragraph on that post image implies "nano technology" , more than just "nano-fibers".it gonna take time, but who knows...
Anyone got files to the PM soundtrack ik the game sucks balls but I like the soundtrack oddly enough
>you are going to be over-run>too far from ANY external support>you NEED mass firepower to devastate wide areas , without discriminating targets.>only few units have a "complex" and "costly" missile system (developed almost 20 years later, LMAO)>AND to make things worse, the yankees cheapen the fuck out because MUH COSTS>nobody thinks about using short-to-mid range, HE rockets (just inertial guide, no electronics that BETAs will bitch about) in TSFs, making Hit-and-Run tactics more viable.Now im thinking about that anon said about substituting the arms with more MLRS on the sides (worse aerodinamically, but you dont gain too much weight), and put a new concept , something like Tactical Surface Bomber (TSB), like the FB-22 or the Mirage 4000 IRL, if my aviation connosieurs knows what i mean...these boys can reach farther and lower than conventional pure plane Bombers, who tends to get a warm welcome by the Disco Crew...>inb4 the 120mm can make that functiontry to shoot that level of firepower in a short period of time. you will need 4-8 of TSFs...and no, you use a TSB to make a quick bombing run, once has made its mission, RTB and reload. unless you need escort, no mixing roles ...
>>22928511Do you think there's a significant advantage to HE rockets over the 120mm cannon HE rounds? I guess biasing more towards HE and omitting all penetrating capability could maybe help but doesn't seem massively differentiated at typical ranges in muvluv
>>22928641NTA but if they're guided rockets then you can fire on the move easier. Has to be fire-and-forget though. That way the pilot can fire and then immediately focus on maneuvering. They're bulkier and require more targeting equipment but maybe thats an okay trade off because you'll be more accurate thus requiring fewer shots per kill. There are other applications for rockets but like you said the ranges in Muv Luv aren't long enough for that to matter. Maybe you could lob a rocket over some terrain in order to hit a target you don't have LOS for but thats really it. You can carry way more 120 cannon ammo. Also its cheaper and TSF die often so you don't want to be wasting resources like that. Another application might be large overhead strikes. Say you're facing down a horde. If you start spraying with your cannon the BETA in the front will eat all your rounds, you won't be able to hit formation behind them. The bodies will pile up and then get pushed forward like a shield (this happens in MLA). With rockets you can launch them up and over the front line in order to saturate the entire formation thus thinning it out evenly.If you're fighting people this is also useful because you can hit an entire trench system all at once. If you were to launch rockets one at a time then the enemy would see the first rocket and find cover. I don't remember the exact term for that move.
>>22927350I don't even know what the fuck you're trying to say and I think you typed out part of your post and then added parts or deleted parts and didn't fix it.But you can't magically change the center of gravity and I don't think you've read any of the source material. Anyways I don't want to talk to you.>>22927403High fire rate and portability is what railguns are worst at, and the one in muvluv is supposed to be specialized for those things. It's basically a magic laser beam thing don't think too hard.
>>22929105this nigga's straight up retarded. I don't know why people keep replying to him
>>22927628We've been getting a consistent stream of translations so hopefully in a few years unless they go bankrupt before then
Finished TE.I liked it especially past the stuff the anime had covered, but I do feel like it missed the mark in a lot of ways. The general lack of named character deaths didn't feel too muv-luvey, and was especially weird given how this tries to touch upon the darker side of the BETA war (all the politicking and human experimentation).I was also hoping for a better conclusion to Yui's character given how good of an intro Teito Moyu is I can't fucking believe she never tells Yuuya their true relationship. The members of Argus squad also felt underexplored especially Stella.
>>22929121because he spams the thread with his garbage so I have to reply so i that people don't take him seriously
>>22929363I know anon, I know
>>22929200Kimi ita has no all ages version at all. They'll never touch it. Although I guess as of Kiminozo they are now fine with just having blackscreens with absolutely no replacement content so maybe you're right
>>22929304Maybe this was something I just imagined or misread a few years back but did Kouki ever actually say something about partially continuing Yuuya and Yui's story integrate?
>>22929524Latrova shows up in the screenshots, so I kinda get the feeling Integrate is supposed to also wrap up the TE/Schwarzesmarken storyline.
>>22929542I've had this feeling too. They may as well send Kurogane over to alternative and rope TDA in. They billed it as "the" sequel to alternative so I figure the multiverse will be involved to some degree already. I hope that worst case, if they go under again, kouki will publish what he had planned as a novel or online.
Did someone say Tater Mayu?
>tfw no Tama to love irl
>>22928641>>22928653A TSB can just hop the Destroyer class, and screw up the "Middle Guard", making a "gap" or delaying an invasion. with the Rear Guard, who are slower compared with the other 2, the land forces are more appropiate to deal with them (being shorter in height, and similar firepower to TSFs, they are the best suited to Heavy Lasers and Fort classes.)A TL;DR :>Main priority?Reduce the "speed" of the invasion.>1st line (Frontal)TSFs.>2nd line (Middle)TSBs.>3rd line (Rear)Land forces. >and TSF die often so you don't want to be wasting resources like thatTSFs die often because in a chaotic (and most of the cases, close-quarters) battle, there is a great possibility to screw it up, and fall prey easily to BETA. that can (MUST) be reduced.>typical ranges in muvluv>120mm is 5000 meters, max>155mm in rasant shot, maybe 8-9 kilometersYes, dangerously short for land forces , who can't retreat if over-runned. (RIP Kyoko ;_; )
>>22928653>If you're fighting people this is also useful because you can hit an entire trench system all at once. If you were to launch rockets one at a time then the enemy would see the first rocket and find coveryeah, but there are "better" weapons to deal with human armies, and of course, fewer numbers. Rockets are a WW2-Cold War relics nowadays.
>>22929833I'm play devils advocate. Also note that there is an important distinction between rockets and missiles. Rockets are classified as dumb, missiles have a guidance system and you'd be a moron to suggest that they're relics.>A TSB can just hop the Destroyer class,not if there are laser class in the rear. Can't gain the altitude to attack the rear in that case. I would rather shoot rockets than expose my TSF to lasers.
>>22929833why does everybody still use rocket artillery then?
>>22929833Relic, but cheap. Missile be cost of 1 Ferrari. Rocket be cost of 1 coke can. Economics!
>>22929976because they are cheap and best used against soft ( slow or static) targets...>>22930008>Rocket be cost of 1 coke canwell, not THAT cheap. Unless you use some "field engineer" from Middle-East...>>22929923>not if there are laser class in the rear. Can't gain the altitude to attack the rear in that caseGrappler class can still obstruct the firing line of Lasers, but you can't always count on that.>I would rather shoot rockets than expose my TSF to lasers.In a rapid sequence, to limit detection time for lasers, or just shoot some dummies or AL at first (and high), and then, shoot the rest... i can see that.
>>22929778She's a bundle of nerves and she's going to fall apart
>>22928012THE RAILGUNS ARE MADE OUT OF G ELEMENTS PLAY THE FUCKING GAMES OR GET THE FUCK OUT
>>22930314 See this >>22930081 .You see ANY G-elements over there?A nuclear propelled ship could power it without ayy lmao waste stuff.>OR GET THE FUCK OUTno u
I wish you lot would keep it in your pants.But no, I keep finding your posts on /wtg/ and on /tg/ stirring shit up. It's one thing seeing the same old tiresome chimpouts in those places, it becomes demoralizing when it seeps down here, and vice versa.
>>22931149>comparing that garbage to the shit in gamegood one secondary fag
>>22931218u first>>22931233cry more.>>22931290>garbageAnon, that tecnology went several times as classified stuff. and for fucks sake, the "shit in game" looks like a RAYgun, and that's Star Wars territory...And worst of all, you fail to see the true potential rail guns have IRL (or ANY kinetic weapons in its category)
>>22931233What is /wtg/ is that the board game place?
>>22931513oh so it's not the same thingthanks for finally admitting you're wrong, dipshitplease fuck off
>>22932034This general would be a dead ghost town that drops off the board with 50 posts, if you chucklefucks weren't around arguing. At least your 'Tism fights breathe some life into this corpse franchise general.
>>22927420>After a BRUTAL civil warAnd? Russian female espers from genetically modified clones lead the winners. And that means their organization, at the very least, was not hostile to the ML-USSR, which is the source of espers.>"Paradise Goolag" is a wonderful place to live and existIt is quite obvious that TE is anti-Russian propaganda by the Japanese who are offended because of the Kuril Islands. As is the category of viewers/readers for whom this nonsense is intended - you and those like you.
>>22927457>nothing changed in proportion, really.Minus a billion Chinese and about a billion Indians. You really are a degenerate and a bastard.>in the best caseYukon base, perhaps? The ML constantly emphasizes the need for refugees to actually "sell themselves" as cannon fodder and cheap labor for the UN and the "host" country... With the exception of France and Canada, for example, that is, countries that managed to carry out an organized evacuation. The presence of real rebellions of "dissatisfied with living conditions" of citizens of the USSR on the territory of Soviet Alaska is also highlighted... But only in the UN Yukon did refugees from all over the world become terrorists, dissatisfied with their lives? Is there really no armed struggle for their rights among the "newcomers" anywhere else?>is the main currency in diplomacyThe Koreans, who lost their peninsula because of BETA, don't really have much of a choice except Japan. Jeju simply doesn't have the capacity to support their statehood, for example. The Chinese are left with, at best, two large islands, and the Indo-Chinese only have the islands of the "nine dotted lines" and migration to culturally alien Malaysia and Indonesia with the Philippines. Japan had experience in building huge offshore platforms, for example, which can be combined with the process of creating artificial islands and creating new areas for immigrants, etc. Some of the refugees could have been accepted in continental Japan - although this would have risked public discontent. A mutual aid group could have been organized between the East Asian countries that suffered from BETA. But NOTHING. At least, this is not mentioned anywhere.>Suez Canal and Red Sea makes BETA can cross fairly deep water obstacles. The Arabs are lousy warriors with outdated equipment, and the Yankee fleet didn't help the Japanese much in 1998. The aliens should have made it to Africa by now - but they haven't for purely plot reasons. That's all.
>>22927477Do you mean the lack of coordination of scientific and military programs between blocs and states? Well, given the Yankee-Soviet interaction in the framework of Alternative 3 and international cooperation between countries developing the TSF (no matter how complicated it is), for example, cooperation is possible and even underway. Again, they have supermaterials and several decades to develop them, but they have combat robots, but no lethal technological weapons. Somehow this is crazy.For example, Susanoo is armed with a beam cannon of monstrous power. Okay, so we'll admit that this thing requires Unit-00 for "reasons", but if the damn thing was made, then there's a theory and a technical basis for it. So, how about trying to scale it down and simplify it for field use by TSF special forces?
>>22927724>SM and TE?Gretel swore at Senpai? Terrorists took advantage of refugees? Where are the mass problems with protests/riots around the world in the areas with the largest concentrations of migrants? Where is the everyday and obvious tension between the newcomers and the locals? Where is the negativity among the main characters about the use of refugees by guest countries as cannon fodder?>Ayamine literally sacrificed his career to help civilians dipshitThis incompetent fool was engaged in moralizing nonsense, and did not carry out the government's orders. In Japan itself, there is not even a mention of, at least, Korean refugees and "problems" with them.>>22927724>Do you suppose America knows where all of it's oil is?Necessity will force us to stimulate all necessary processes, from hydraulic fracturing to the next coup in Venezuela.>What about this is contradictory?Author's arbitrariness.>We made these IRL around the same timeBut for some reason they never flew further than the Moon.>Yeah because these are totally the same technologies.They use supermaterials and advanced ML technology, but the Japanese Empire's railgun PROTOTYPE appeared almost 40 YEARS after the nuclear-powered Mars spaceship. WTF? Even in our dreary, supermaterial-less reality, there are already prototypes of railguns on the scale of ship guns.
>>22928511Maybe the Yankees should adopt the real combat experience of other countries and not waste time on nonsense?
holy fuck i cannot deal with these two faggots anymore
>>22929304I wonder how, with the supposed "routing" and the choice of Yui, the Russians would have dealt with this crap without Shiranui 3 and Halo?Would the Total Eclipse plan have been successful and Kaverin would have become a Hero of the Soviet Union?
>>22930177But she's super cute and loveable, so it's okay. I'll just give her some more well-deserved TLC.
>>22928653The French-Canadians in TDA simply used a mix of Rafales with standard armament and Tornados with missile pods for support. It worked quite well.
>>22932129You've made this exact post before. America has vast expanses to fight with guns, and enormous stockpiles to make it work I like that different nations have their own doctrines. Besides Muvluv is a setting where the aliens aren't reasonably defeatable so humans only stand to gain by fighting each other -it's entirely realistic America would be pvp autists. That's kind of what they were trying to tell Takeru during training, I thought, and the point was he couldn't get it because he hadn't lived in their world. It's believable to me they'd go with Alt V because it was always a choice between dying with humanity or eating each other alive in a shrinking world.I'd heard before getting into it muvluv was a franchise split between people who care about the social aspects and people who just want to see robots kill aliens.
Would you play a VN with the Extra universe version of the Total Eclipse or Schwarzesmarken cast?
>>22932484Total Eclipse no, Schwarzesmarken yes
>>22932484Yuuya doesn't deserve it. Everyone else does.
>>22932484>school romcom set in the FDJ say lesshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvEzFW_pH1g
>>22923285Lacrosse is hypeMuvluv was just ahead of the curve
Eurobabes...
>>22933837One of my favorite ones.
>>22932129> waste time on nonsense?instead of 30 years of pure Eurasian "successes"?>>22932304>and instead people see aliens kill robots in gory waysfixed4you
>>22932119>Do you mean the lack of coordination of scientific and military programs between blocs and states?nah, IRL the Soviets tested some bizarre ideas, in West tried some others, even some abandoned from on place caught wind and get adopted ("furtivity" in planes was studied in URSS and the US started with the F-117 in that time)From this phrase below onwards>Again, they have supermaterials and several decades to develop them, but they have combat robots, >but no lethal technological weapons. Somehow this is crazy.<>Susanoo beam cannon>scale it downmaybe it will be less effective /can't be miniaturized.The Susanoo had "undrivable" flying systems(its main point of failure), the real question is: why not make it go on land? Be it legs, threads or hovering, who knows...
>>22932108>Minus a billion Chinese and about a billion Indians. You really are a degenerate and a bastard.Who were the GENIUSES that let open the door for BETAs to fuck around in Asia?>With the exception of France and Canada, for example, that is, countries that managed to carry out an organized evacuationwelp. West Europe did in 1985, sooooo...why the Warsaw Pact never organized an "evacuation program"?> Is there really no armed struggle for their rights among the "newcomers" anywhere else?Name ANY Unlimited or Alternative spin-off that does NOT touch anything related to that topic.and since Africa or South America are never touched...>The Koreans, who lost their peninsula because of BETA, don't really have much of a choice except Japan>implying that they can't choose Australia or another far place>At least, this is not mentioned anywhereJapan sent an expeditionary force in the 90s when the chinese and korean front was collapsing, so at least, gave an spiritual support ... :VBy 2001, shit was FUBAR, and the general mood was "eventually BETA will overrun this planet". Nippon WW2 Fatalism project hard, and distort a lot of views (or lack of thereof).>The aliens should have made it to Africa by now - but they haven't for purely plot reasons.>Africans are stupid, but they don't fall in political bullshitteryLEL
>>22932076I can only hope a live-action could be adapted faithfully. (TE is the "easiest" to make, but maybe not the most "interesting" one)Or at least, when AIs will make episodes/movies accurately with prompts, we will write the lore, fan-fictions, or our wildest JAV fantasies... SOON™>>22931814i think that he refers to the Warhammer threads on /tg/. i rarely go there...
Somehow I find it extremely painful to read this beautiful lovey-dovey stuff when all I can think of is how Haruka dies in Alternative...
Finished Alternative yesterday and the original trilogy was really, REALLY fucking good.I'm fully satisfied with what I got from Muv-Luv so far and wouldn't mind if there wasn't more of it afterwards, but there is more stuff, and I'm considering buying at least Photonflowers and Photonmelodies when a nice discount drops on Steam.Maybe I could give Total Eclipse a shot as well, despite it interesting me less than those, personally. What're you guys' takes on the spin-offs?I'm super interested in KimiNozo as well but kinda bummed out that the steam version apparenly is the all-ages one.
>>22935127TE is just muv luv top-gun and nothing like the main trilogyTDA is the sequel to unlimited and pretty good but has remained unfinished for over a decade at this pointSchwarzesmarken (vn) is decent if you can stomach the production values going down the longer the games go on, anime is terrible
>>22935127I've only read Photonflowers so far. Some of the stories are really short and completely trivial, but then you get stuff that's really good like Atonement, or absolute kino like Confessions so I'd say it was a worthwhile experience.Obviously it doesn't go anywhere near the level of the original trilogy as a whole, which is kind of the be expected from a collection of short stories.
>>22935127The spin-offs are all really good, but you mileage may vary. My favorites are Teito Moyu(prequel to Total Eclipse) and Confessions.
>>22935135Yeah, a friend of mine started with the Sumika route continuation and was bummed out and still hasn't touched Chicken Divers or Confessions yet. I would leave that short story for last if I were to start Photonflowers.
>>22934339>based anon tapping in untapped potential of AInicealso didn't Kouki say couple of years back he wants to harness power of AI to create ML VNs? as a way to speed up the process and cut costs? and he was saying this when AI was just new thing but these days AI has made quantum lean in what AI can create so maybe mad man might actually make it possible in our life time
>>22935127There's not really any side content that is bad. IMO at worst, it's mediocre. Saucegate can be controversial but I don't have a strong opinion on it either way. All the long spinoffs are pretty good but nothing really comes close to the trilogy despairkino besides maybe Teito Moyu.>>22935131I'm partway through Katia's route (just after they capture Lise) and the way there are so many more shorter, action-filled events kind of makes me feel a little disappointed because I was hoping for more longer drawn-out operations like the coup. The action being intercut with anime footage was really bad in the common route but it isn't as egregious once in the route proper. Honestly, I think that if I didn't know they were ripped from the anime, I would be impressed. Knowing less is more I guess. I'm fairly positive on the VN otherwise though.>>22935307I lean towards AI being a useful tool but I think Kouki gets way in over his head and always tries to reach beyond the means of what is actually possible in the moment (see: releases being consistently overbudget and/or unfinished). Ambition is good but he really needed someone to consistently put him in check. It's too late for that though since it would've needed to happen starting like 15 years ago
>>22929744Well, clearly, it's part of Kouki's plans somehow. How he'd connect Arcadia, RESONATIVe, and Integrate is idk
>>22927338Something about not being complete yet. They don't do anything that isn't complete according to one of the streams
>>22935142What's your recommended reading order for PF? I'm going to start it once I'm done with Rumbling Hearts I haven't read touched anything else besides RH and the original ML trilogy
>>22935715there is none
>>22935622This is all purely my speculation so take it however you want.>ArcadiaProbably continues off Schwarzesmarken and Theodore/Master. Remaining characters by the end will be alive by Integrate.>ResonativeEither creates the conditions for the MLA loop or someone (Kurogane and NotYuuhi) gets sent to the MLA timeline. Will be bullshit no matter what but regardless of the next point, I see this happening both for the purpose of having Meiya and Takeru around for future marketing and because TDA was already a fanservice fest as is.>The Outline and ML TacticsThey already said that it takes place in a slightly alternative continuity. Most likely introduces some kind of world-merging concept that would then be used further in Resonative (as above), until ultimately being the main focus of INTEGRATE. See: teaser cgs with people fused into walls and stuff, BETA in new york. Seems like the intent of the work is for everything to come together, meaning both the existing muv-luv plotline and the multiverse. Would be interested in seeing other peoples' speculation on this as well.
>>22935715Me personally I read the Extra stuff first. The mech world stuff is all organized on a timeline so you can read them in a clear chronological order
>>22923285>>22924175Kill yourselves niggers
>>22935307Dunno about that, m8. the most AI "thing" that Age created, is the multi-verse generator from Project Mikhail. >as a way to speed up the process and cut costs?as >>22935321 said, that depends on the developers knowledge , and the tools used (i mean , in specific use AIs, like : audio-visual generation, logical-text dynamic, etc)A VN is simple compared to other media content, but still is a block to jump over it.
>>22935846>Meiya and Takeru around for future marketing and because TDA was already a fanservice fest as is.Funny because Meiya's always the poster girl and Kouki and Avex acknowledges that on a stream lol. And surprisingly, the Type-00C holding reverse swords is really fucking popular for some reason
>>22936286>the Type-00C holding reverse swords is really fucking popular for some reasonCause of Freedom Gundam.
>>22934325>Who wereDon't try to get off topic, asshole, otherwise you'll have to answer questions like, "Why didn't the fucking Yankees bomb the Moon with nukes?" or "Did the Yankees share their data on the "Moon War"?".You initially stated that the destruction of the Eurasian tran "won't affect the balance", despite the fact that the world lost several of its strongest armies and a significant number of Asians and Caucasians.South America, according to CODEX, has no capacity to develop and produce TSF and relies on the US (cough, "Japanese", cough). That is, the LA has no real military value.Africa and military power do not correlate in any way, because the experience of civil wars and guerrilla warfare is useless against the BETA. Even if you take into account the presence of European countries in exile on the territory of the Black Continent, their troops are just remnants of their former strength, more concerned with local "threats".You can't defeat the BETA with Orbital Divers alone.>Warsaw Pact never organized an "evacuation program"In 2001, East Germany still exists in the ML, and even the Warsaw Bloc has been transformed into the Eastern European Socialist Alliance. You don't even know the basics of the ML, do you, asshole?
>>22934325>that does NOT touch anything related to that topic.Not a single one, because there is no talk of "armed rebellions" and "mass riots" because of the newcomers. In TDA, for example, only the difficult life of Indian migrants in Australia and the desire of Melvina Advani's parents to give her an education so that she could find work outside the Camp are mentioned. Further, the problem itself is not considered there, since the Japanese in Seattle are a background for politics, and the inhabitants of the salt wastes are a background for heroism. The French and Canadians are good neighbors.In the Eurofront, there are no problems with refugees, because Deutsche Ritter is on guard of the Euro-English Union. That cyber-man from the EU? There is religion, but not so much foreign refugees.In MLA, Sagiri raised a rebellion, including because of the poor treatment of Japanese residents evacuated from dangerous zones by the Japanese government, and not because of problems with Korean or Chinese refugees (whom Ayamine "protected" on the continent) in Japan. The Finn on the Raptor doesn't bother at all with his service for the sake of citizenship.In general, only TE raises the topic of "suffering refugees who took up arms".>Japan sent an expeditionary force in the 90sThe aid was of no use, both due to the efforts of Ayamine, who undermined cooperation with continental allies, and the Japanese headquarters, which had not learned any lessons in the battles with BETA.>but they don't fall in political bullshitteryOr not. Almost nothing is known about Africa in ML, except that some Europeans were evacuated there. Who said "neocolonialism"?
>>22936286They've always used her and the purple 'zuchi but it would definitely be more beneficial to them if they could use both and actually have at least her and Takeru (and Yuuko), of the original cast, present in a new work. They kind of shot themselves from being able to milk the trilogy (for better or worse) by having everyone die.>for some reasonIt would be more surprising if it was an unpopular design
>>22934281>Soviets tested some bizarre ideas, in West tried some othersWell, the problem with ML is that there is a long and difficult war going on there, from which conclusions should be drawn and for which weapons should be created. But, despite the appearance of combat robots in the 70s, no vibroblades, no railguns, no ray guns, no plasma guns - not a damn thing advanced in the field of weapons was done, even with a higher scientific and technological basis. This is nonsense.>From this phrase below onwardsThere is not even a mention of attempts to modernize the weapons of such an effective platform as the TSF in order to increase its effectiveness. Flamethrower TSF at least? A Tomcat with missile weapons, with the presence of BETA laser strains, is perceived more as a joke...>maybe it will be less effective /can't be miniaturized.Michiru mentioned the development of beam cannons for the TSF in her lecture and implied that they would be ready in about 5 years... But the fact that for 30 years before that, they had not tried to make combat lasers with their level of technology is strange.
>>22932304>America has vast expanses to fight with guns, and enormous stockpiles to make it work I like that different nations have their own doctrines.Soviet Russia and Red China had this too, but it didn't help much. What would happen to the Yankees during a full-scale BETA invasion of the American continent can be demonstrated by the episode with the BETA attack on the Kennedy aircraft carrier in TDA. Even without lasers and with a supply base nearby, the US TSF couldn't outshoot the BETA. If Washington doesn't like the Russians and Chinese, then maybe it was worth taking into account the Western Europeans, who use both mobile artillery for long-range and axes/swords for close combat?>Besides Muvluv is a setting where the aliens aren't reasonably defeatable so humans only stand to gain by fighting each otherIn my opinion, it is rather the other way around. Countries are confident that they will be able to improve their weapons and equipment to the level of victory over BETA. Until then, they must do everything possible to preserve the independence and sovereignty of their states at any cost and despite the current deplorable state due to the loss of territories.That is why both the Soviet Union and France behave, as some say, "defiantly" instead of simply bowing to the hegemony of the USA and the unity of the EU.Washington does not introduce cold weapons due to the lack of experience in a real large-scale war with BETA and its own arrogance.
>>22934235>instead of 30 years of pure Eurasian "successes"?Well, the Yankees couldn't defeat BETA on the Moon,) And their help to Japan was unsuccessful...I guess the Washingtonians are lousy warriors?
>>22932759Some people were forgotten.
bliss
>>22932759>Kouki explains that it was Sumika who made a copy of Kasumi in the alter fable verse since they don't originally exist because they are vat-grown>Inia and Cryska exist...hmm
>>22936286>>22936311Personally, having Meiya/Takeru get isekai'd into a world their other selves saved would be one hell of a cruel thing to pull off
>>22935622It would be better, for starters, to try to make a 3D version of "Dawn", slightly scaling its tactical and plot component, like, command operations in Japan during the BETA invasion of '98.Factions of Japanese troops and guards, UN troops and the Yankee corps. Format between special operations and faction cooperation. Reliance on military bases and garrisons with the goal of protecting civilian infrastructure and refugees. Well, and a limited modification of the TSF, like equipping Gekeshit with large-caliber guns and missiles instead of standard rifles... Plus, interaction with conventional troops both on the battlefield and beyond the horizon is understandable (like a strike from ship guns as "magic").I wish they would finally release TDA 4!!!
>>22936337This is muv-luv, that's just how things work here. Besides that, I think the dynamic could work and it ties Meiya into the multiverse. Kurogane and Meiya would both be displaced from their universes mirroring how Sumika was displaced from her own physical self but was still able to find love with Takeru.also:>cg with yuuko locked upIt would have to be something with large emotional impact to break her like that. Something happening to Kasumi probably but it could be compounded with seeing Takeru and Meiya alive, OR them being alive would eventually pull her out of it.
>>22936346It can also serve as them being rather out of place POV
>>22936337>>22936346>>22936357Imagine the political fuckery they have to go through and honestly they'd fit in too
>>22936357It seems like most of the existing characters are going to be placed relatively close together at the start (picrel: features characters from every spinoff besides TDA), although I imagine most will only have minor supporting roles. If there's multiverse fuckery then everyone will be out of place, however if they want Integrate to be THE sequel to MLA then it would be hard-pressed to be that without any of the poster characters around. I'm getting far too optimistic for it now but the more I think about it, the more I'm adamant that it will be what they do>>22936364>Imagine the political fuckery they have to go through and honestly they'd fit in tooTakeru and Meiya working together would also be akin to a Betaverse version of Zaibatsu Takeru from Extra's Meiya end (I think they put this variant in the gacha recently?). Both would also be familiar with the Ikaruga faction's MO even if The Day never happened there. Maybe they wouldn't have frontline roles but they would definitely play a major role in the Japanese politics
>>22936330Kouki also says in the same explanation that Sumika made a copy of Yuuhi when she already existed in that world and what actually changed is the accident that killed the Mitsurugis never happenedKouki is an idiot
>>22936329What's your filter list?
>>22936512my filter list is hitting the minus on the left
>>22936296>"Why didn't the fucking Yankees bomb the Moon with nukes?"the UN forbade that. IMO? i dont know how much >thermal< radiation can handle BETA, but in vacuum, there is no thermal dissipation , so if you detonate them on the surface, i can assure you that "soft" materials will liquify and evaporate in extreme heat. AND, will keep "glowing red" the soil for a long period, because of atmosphere gases that normally dissipates, is absent over there. SO, an "area denial" weapon, if we can call it.>or "Did the Yankees share their data on the "Moon War"?".for what reason? you talk like the Warsaw Pact was "in the dark" about the Moon War.Soviet troops were called to the front . Pic4you.>South America, according to CODEX, has no capacity to develop and produce TSF and relies on the US (cough, "Japanese", cough). That is, the LA has no real military value.>has no capacity =/= forbidden from developing and building TSFs ("security treaty")It's not THAT REALLY needed, but the US interference shows their political intentions of being "the king of the ashes".>Africa and military power do not correlate in any way, because the experience of civil wars and guerrilla warfare is useless against the BETAand who trained africans in those tactics? :VVVV>In 2001, East Germany still exists in the ML, and even the Warsaw Bloc has been transformed into the Eastern European Socialist Alliance. So, another warm seat for the UN Party HQ in Jew York, hahahahahah.>>22936302Page 212, kid. Not gonna bother posting about that.> do you, asshole?Stay mad, CYKA. All your picky retard baits shows the need to NUKE MOSCOW and axe every fiber optic that crosses over there.>>22936325Forgot the second landing , in cAYYnada?
>>22936512>>22936514You can try using "Washington," will probably get rid of 80% of it.
>>22936313>[...] not a damn thing advanced in the field of weapons was done, even with a higher [...] technological basisThat got me thinking when i was reading TE.Blue Flag does not allow to modify (or "jury-rigging") weapons, everyone must use the "regular field" weapons. i mean, WHAT?And then, something crossed on my mind: if you know that TSF vs TSF is possible, why not use sabot, or higher speed rounds? the IRL air combat programs ( Navy´s TOP GUN, the US Air Force, and URSS too) showed the shorter "time windows" planes had to aim,shoot and hit (with bullets, or early missiles). but TE anime shows bullets being evaded (and even the Phantoms have rotational thrust), going as slow than TSFs, but then, Pic Related contradicts (albeit with anecdotic view) that premise.And the last thing, Why US TSFs uses auto-cannons in first place? they used GATLINGS IRL , since the 60s (>inb4 BETAverse A-10 is a TSA >MUH GAU-8). Even the URSS used to some degree, not without destroying more than the enemy :V (GSh-6-30)That weapon system make MUCH SENSE against other TSFs because of the insane rate of fire. Imagine 2 or 4 rotative shredders (Gun Sweeper config) shooting anything on range... Sure, ammo will evaporate like there is no tomorrow, but the tactics changes to deal this, cannot be ignored.>Flamethrower for land forces ,or even bases , could be more effective. you can create effective "kill zones" with fuel mixed with retardant ... In TE, when that Soviet base got raided (and a LOT of fuel/oil depots), "Mr. Poland" can put some pipes and spray tips , and when our AYY BOIS comes... Fire party, yay!For TSFs, its impractical.>A Tomcat with missile weapons [...]It makes sense IRL, because the Phoenix Missiles supposedly were good... Now, using as Laserjad...>Michiru mentioned the development of beam cannons for the TSF in her lecture >and implied that they would be ready in about 5 yearsthe "2 more weeks" in the BETAverse, good LORD.
Confessions was really fucking well written I'm genuinely impressed.Now I kinda wanna read KimiIta
>>22936469>however if they want Integrate to be THE sequel to MLA then it would be hard-pressed to be that without any of the poster characters around. I'm getting far too optimistic for it now but the more I think about it, the more I'm adamant that it will be what they doI agree. MLA without the causality conductor bullshity isn't MLA. Even during one of the interviews they were really hard-pressed on not answering anything about Takeru crushing the brain tank
>>22936469>that without any of the poster characters around.they can't exactly claim about putting them into rests either since they've been milking them. Even Meiya remains the poster girl
>>22937122Same.
>>22937122I like the fact that it in her POV it shows how much of an absurd person Takeru is. Which reminds me that in their POV he goes through so much shit and yet remain somewhat who he is.
big OOF
>>22937701Guess you won't be making any strategy games, guys.
>>22937701>their fucking faceslmao
>>22937701how much did kiminozo end up making?
>>22937701they'll just start selling dinners with Kouki for 600 bucks again
>>22937735It had 52 players at its highest, so after Valve's cut and taxes it probably lost them a whole lot of money
>>22937701how much did they want for Kiminozo?
The mythical Tamatrio approaches you in the hall /mlg/ bros... what do you do?
>>22938029*pat* *pat* *pat*
>>22937765i meant the crowdfund...
>>22937701What site of crowdfunding is that? Patreon takes a high cut or something?>>22937709the dream is collapsing...>>22933857Stella... :3
>>22938029Kiss, hug, headpat and sex
>>22937701wait is this the same one that was announced back in August or is this something new?
The yamato damashii samurai spirit will carry us all through these trying times...
>>22938196https://camp-fire.jp/projects/794591/viewThat's what they get for using a Japanese website instead of an American one.
>>22939638Lol, if you actually watch their stream, most of them were asking for Resonative and Euro Front. Not surprising actually
>>22939674Surely it would be better for them as a company to just finish Resonative as a normal VN and hope that the sales will support their next projects rather than go for this insane shit
>>22939684they'll never be able to finish resonative because Avex isn't retarded enough to fund a visual novel requiring as much budget as muv luvthey're not even willing to fund an srpg.They could do what they're doing with the srpg and do a kickstarter to show there's interest and then show that to different publishers for funding, but I don't think that's even a thing in the VN industry.
>>22939684they want some fucking gimmick to it and I think Kouki knows that the moment they get resonative, most of them would fuck off since that's probably the last story that involves Takeru, Meiya, and Marimo and they can't just give a shit about anything else
>>22939638Is anyone here supporting this?
>>22939743maybe if it didn't look like it came out in 2005
>>22939743>mikhail devsthey already got my 20 bucks 3 years ago or whatever
>>22939743I'm not supporting anything other than Resonative or Eurofront and maybe Integrate.
>>22929744>I've had this feeling too. They may as well send Kurogane over to alternative and rope TDA inSo you're saying TDA will resonate and Integrate to Alternative?
leave my boy takeru alonehe already suffered enough
>>22939806Hey, if his canon future with Sumika is saucegate maybe fighting beta in multiple timelines isn't so bad...
>>22939806>>22939811He has to pay for crushing GODDESS Sumika's brain.
>>22939806They need to market stuff man and Kurogane + 00C is cool as fuck that they even added it as bonus for Kickstarter
>>22937701At least the main hero mech seems to be some F-4-derived thing.Those are always neat.
>>22939864It's a Gekishin...in SPACEwould be cool if the MC's an orbital diver
>>22936320carrier next to water beta come out of water, nowhere 2 run -bad example. They were kinda asking for it.I guess you think swords just kill BETA faster than shooting them. I disagree on the basis most the enemies are knee-high.>>22936313Dude you have so much hope for humanity. It will probably take a millennium or two for humans to develop combat-ready directed energy weapons besides super atrocity blindness beams that are just chemical weapons but worse in both senses, or really expensive flyswatters. Your cup runneth over and you ask for more.>>22936658Gats are a thing, see picrel. Honestly there's a strong argument for gatling guns but their standard rifles don't seem to have heat issues despite comically prolonged firing so one must shrug.>>22936559thermal radiation(that is to say actual radiation) accounts for about 1/3 of heat exchange in atmosphere, so stuff will cool slower in space but not by so much. The surface temperature of the moon is 120C on the light side and -130C on the dark side so that much heat is lost every day into the vacuum of space.
>>22939905Why's it got extra rivet holes on its knees and cockpit block?
>>22940003probably for space stuff idk
>>22939638>still 21% after a dayIt's cooked right?>>22939674If they wanted to make a Tactics game, why not just put that gameplay in eurofront? It would've gotten more attention than a pajeet story at least.
>>22940003those aren't rivets retard kun
>>22940392Thanks for the nickname but that doesn't really answer my question.
>>22939766dunno, it reminds me the recent remake of Front Mission 1st, at least visually >>22939925>I disagree on the basis most the enemies are knee-high.Pic semi-related, someone posted it looong time ago...Only Fort,Destroyer and Heavy Laser classes are tall enough to use blades, and 2 of those 3 ARE A BAD IDEA GOING CQC.the 4 strains can be kicked with 3rd gen TSFs("blade edge" armor or whatever) but eventually it will damage the legs... and Grapplers are in the middle, technically: only the "head tail" protrudes, and get the slice, if you evade their "pinces". Sooo, another one in the "bad idea" lists...Maybe a "shorter" TSFs for close quarters will help... 14 meters? 13?>Gats are a thing, see picreli know. Only one model.>heat issuestrue. Maybe going "the Maxim way" and adapting to water-cooled.but then, you see that TSFs discards guns like some used teeth brush... yeah, i doubt they will do it... >thermal radiationwelp, back to the drawing board...Still, i would love to try using big "mirror" in space, a la "Archimedes Sun Ray", and roast bugs in Earth or the Moon... the only cost is sending the materials up there. the energy? ITS FREE.
>>22940117>If they wanted to make a Tactics game, why not just put that gameplay in eurofront? It would've gotten more attention than a pajeet story at least.>implying they aren't going to put that shit on Euro Front too
>>22940842Strong implications of that here, yes
>>22940117>It's cooked right?last time I watched a livestream about this (which was months ago, to be fair) they said this project will be "all-in", aka it doesn't actually matter if they hit 100% or not, they'll take whatever money they can get and make a product. That product might just end up super shitty though.
>>22940873My understanding is that it's well along in development already, and they are treating kickstarters more as a replacement for selling physical limited editions in stores since most casual purchasers just buy on digital platforms. That's why this doesn't have goals with specific rewards in terms of development goals like other kickstarters do; they are just finishing up the project and looking to get hardcore fans to foot as much of the cost as possible.
>>22940971well, I hope for them that's not the case because then they'll 100% lose money.
>>22940873>>22940971>>22941005Pretty sure they're just gauging interest left. Which is honestly quite fucking retarded when the JP fanbase is basically shouting at their ear to just make more VNs. But I understand where they're coming from.
>>22935084Yeah IKR. When I got to the part where she learns how to walk again I had to choke down tears. I had a flash back of her running to the reactor controls. I might re-read some of the MLA Hayase / Haruka parts now that I have the context for them.
>>22937701>>22939638I gave them their 1500 yen, which translated to 9,12 euros lol
who the fuck would want a sequel to alternative without the original cast
>>22941179It's more muvluv, why wouldn't I want it.Besides Kasumi and Yuuko will be around. I imagine the surviving Valkyries would come back too.
>>22941768I literally cannot remember a single thing Kazama did
>>22941768muv luv Alternative without "save in the name of true love' is not sequel at all
>>22936559>the UN forbade that.When did the Yankees start caring about the UN's opinion?>SO, an "area denial" weapon, if we can call it.Instead, exoskeletons and lunar rovers. Any shuttle bombings from orbit or heavy construction on the Moon itself?>Soviet troops were called to the front .By the way, it is precisely because the US had the data and developments to create the TSF that I doubt the presence of communist soldiers on the Moon itself - maybe in the space fleet? The fact that when BETA landed in Kashgar, Moscow had neither the technology nor the idea to fight aliens is also somehow strange given the participation of the East in the "Lunar War".>has no capacity =/= forbidden from developing and building TSFs ("security treaty")The Yankees control South American trade and have forced the Latinos to "abandon the right" (LoL) from developing and producing TSF.>So, another warm seatThe Commies have never integrated with the EU. They have their own military forces and modernization programs. They participate in joint operations with the Westerners, although they distance themselves. It's a strange situation, because in IRL, after the USSR left, the countries of Eastern Europe quickly got involved in the EU and NATO. What do the Anglo-Europeans lack?>and who trained africans in those tactics?The Portuguese with their colonial warriors for example?
>>22936559>Page 212, kid.And what is this nonsense for? That CODEX spread says that there are no armed uprisings of refugees anywhere, despite their miserable life. Political problems between governments in exile and locals do not cause open conflicts.In Africa, it's generally fun - the Europeans are essentially "buying" Africans and gradually pulling all the influence to themselves by creating alternative capitals, which the owners do not like at all. South Africans generally want to expand the base for apartheid by influx of whites.So, where are the riots and rebellions? TE against this background generally looks like an anomaly from a parallel universe.>nd axe every fiber optic that crosses over there.Then what's stopping you, shit-eater, from doing this and stopping being hysterical?
>>22936658>That got me thinking when i was reading TE.Well, you've just proven to me once again that TE is trash both in terms of plot and world structure.Because upgrading the platform without upgrading the weapons is pointless. Even improved tactics for using already developed weapons won't help much in the long run.Ironically, the only technical upgrade in melee weapons in TE is seen in the Russians with their motor blades. And in firearms, only the Japanese have advanced with the railgun, and that's all outside the Blue Flag.>for land forces ,or even bases , could be more effective.As far as I remember, flamethrower tanks in ML are used to clear the territory of BETA corpses.And what if the TSF is equipped with thermobaric weapons and rocket flamethrowers?>Now, using as Laserjad...Useless?>the "2 more weeks"They had 18-meter-tall combat robots already in the 70s... Why they couldn't make railguns at least at the IRL level is a question for the limited imagination of the authors of this opus.
>>22939925>carrier next to water beta come out of water, nowhere 2 run -bad example.Nope, it's exemplary because the Yankees won't be able to retreat forever or avoid combat on unfavorable terms for themselves. In addition, they won't be able to shoot down all the BETA with their standard weapons. And once their ammunition is exhausted, the Yankee TSF has no way to conduct normal close combat - their robots aren't even equipped with cutting edges on their armor (except for the F-35, probably). The Yankees are simply not ready, either technically or tactically, for a real war against the BETA,>>22936559>Forgot the second landing , in cAYYnada?You freak, do your fingers have cramps or something? And yes, a nuclear attack is not the same as "the competent use of good TSF in combat".>>22939925>It will probably take a millennium or two for humans to develop combat-ready directed energy weaponsBut we are talking about ML, and in the 60s there are spaceships with nuclear engines and colonies on the Moon, in the 70s there are exoskeletons and huge combat robots with nanotech, in 2001 there are railguns, and in 2005 superluminal ships. The problem is that between the 70s and 00s, progress in weapons seemed to have frozen.>>22939925>I disagree on the basis most the enemies are knee-high.>>22940719>Pic semi-related, someone posted it looong time ago...You guys are wrong. The TSF cold weapons are not intended to replace firearms, just as firearms do not replace bladed weapons. They are intended for combined use, in order to maximally diversify the combat capabilities of the TSF at all distances.And everyone in the ML world understands this, except the Yankees.Just in case, the TSF doctrine of use includes formations and roles in the squad intended for close combat specialists - so the presence of swords/axes/chainsaws is a necessity and not a whim.
>>22939816Takeru ended up in TDA in another loop and met himself?>>22937131On the other hand, this creates a kind of loop around the existing characters and greatly limits the real involvement of people from, for example, the Eurofront in the plot.In general, how possible is it to have a couple more guys like Takeru, given the number of hives in Eurasia - imagine that Eberbach is also in a kind of loop...
Americans still living rent free I see
>>22942309>"save in the name of true love">everyone is dead at the end
>>22942399Anon, we know that the one who was saved in the name of true love wasn't the girls... but their true love Takeru who gets isekai'd to a better universe without the BETA fucking shits
>>22942376>Takeru ended up in TDA in another loop and met himself?Who knows?>In general, how possible is it to have a couple more guys like Takeru, given the number of hives in Eurasia - imagine that Eberbach is also in a kind of loop...Not a lot since it needs to have a g-element fuckery and certain conditions that allowed it to happen
>22942375 no (You) for you :V>And yes, a nuclear attack is not the same as "the competent use of good TSF in combat"sure, that´s rich coming from the shitholes that used nukes as scorched earth, LOL.>And everyone in the ML world understands this, except the Yankees.in US doctrine , Close Quarters Combat is expected to be a last resort. In open fields you can fall back and keep firing, unless you want to protect something static, like a base or slower units.In closed areas (like inside of bases or hives) you are FUCKED if surrounded, even if you evade to escape, its unlikely that you get out unscathed.>They are intended for combined use, in order to maximally diversify the combat capabilities of the TSF at all distances.>TSFs have to do-all in front lines, and barely fulfill its capacity>BETAs are "specialized" units, even when are "mining" oriented machines>they still REKT humanityIm having second thoughts.Fuck the Ayy bugs, Fuck the Red bugs, and Fuck specially the Yellow bugs, too MANY pain in the ass in this planet. (and the poojeets too)
>>22942410I know, they wanted something good to him, even when none of them knew the truth ;_;
>>22942427Man, no wonder yuuko's depressed on the Ilfriede PV. The only one who knew the truth about what her boy did to save the world
>>22942351On one side, everything is focused on Takeru, Kouzuki and Imperial Japan.Everything else (Side-works and lore) its just secondary to the MAIN PLOT. Or, an afterthought.PLOT>feels>Military>ScienceOn the other side, Kouki based his work on Starship Troopers, the OVAs (it has the basic essence: Exoskeleton suits and fights an Ayy invasion that shoots "plasma-lasers" in all directions, AND grow out of control) and live-action movies ,which is the most aproximate depiction of Muv-Luv, with the Mobile Infantry numbers, strategy and tactics = TSFs. the other works he mentioned are just purely visual.Dunno if he read the book, tho.Obviously, im not forgetting the "fatalistic WW2 thin veiled as alien invasion" that sets the mood here, and other SF media Japan has made. >And what if the TSF is equipped with thermobaric weapons >and rocket flamethrowers?Both seems to be simple... thermobarics tends to excel in confined spaces, while FT can ruin the day to smaller and slower strains.
>>22942689>though, it's funny... everyone still went along with him...and when I found out, I also thought...ah...I'm one of them as well.Yuuko probably find life boring as hell without her brats.
>>22942340>When did the Yankees start caring about the UN's opinion?When they need to "act" as a PR poster boi.>Any shuttle bombings from orbit or heavy construction on the Moon itself?They did. And tried (not) so hard, but in the end, it doesn't even matter...>The fact that when BETA landed in Kashgar, Moscow had neither the technology nor the idea to fight aliens is also somehow strange given the participation of the East in the "Lunar War"In this case i agree. Hell, even the bois at "Zhukov´s Remixes of Tactics and Strategy Department" would came (or ask the brain-smarty-pants bureau) to make and develop machines to fight. it MIGHT be similar, or it can be different approach (the "Ekranoplanos", whatever), but this timeline, USSR depends too much on Western tech, as being phased out at the start of the 70s. (you know what implies this)>The Yankees control South American trade and have forced Latin-America to "abandon the right" (LoL) from developing and producing TSF.Murrica's Best™ Interests™ for u , m8.If the guys at the front cant do shit with all their "mighty" TSFs and sheeit (Yankees included), nah m8, miss me with that bad crap.Strap me and the macacos bois to a big rocket, and GTFO before the Ayy bugs chomp the rest of the (retarded) Humanity. i will gladly turn those asteroid belts into O'Neill Cylinders, with jovian planets as a BEEG gas stations... nothing personel, kid.>Maybe if the Space Program made more progress, Humanity history would be different...>The Commies have never integrated with the EUIts like, another type of "civilization"...>What do the Anglo-Europeans lack?the will to start WW3, Rooski bruhh.Tell Putin to end this farce, and burn Europoors again. :VVV>The Portuguese with their colonial warriors for example?Pretending to be retarded again, Ivan?
>>22942694It's interesting how much of Muv Luv's premise is just 'the whole world in Imperial Japan's shoes circa 1945.' Absolute backs to the wall, faced with an overwhelming and unstoppable juggernaut of a foe. Even Operation Cherry Blossom is just Operation Ten-Go, except the BETA don't just blow up the Susanoo long before it gets anywhere.
>>22942375>we had nuclear spaceships in the 60s, what happened?Muvluv imitates reality. We actually did have that tech on that timescale in the real world, it's just reality is disappointing and we didn't find them valuable because we weren't facing alien invasion. All of those things are real world references filtered through the lens of teenage fantasy.IRL railguns are garbage and the BETA haven't changed their equipment since the war started. Humanity settled on a mix of 36 and 120 as the ideal and nothing changed since then. Blast Guards are a thing, it seems they deal with bad situations with more advanced but also costly and limited weapons, and advancements were probably focused on their missiles as in reality. They're probably a lot more useful in a pinch than a dude with a sword. Wiki also says only a couple guys have swords in a standard formation so you're making mountains out of molehills.>>22940719Swords are good in Faraway Dawn for when you run out of 120 and have to stand your ground against a shieldwall of destroyers, but no chokepoint or formation will last against the BETA who specialize in digging. Their excess numbers dedicate themselves to making the path wider until they can all pour through, so you have to build a wider swordwall to compensate until a weakpoint starts collapsing, and you end up surrounded, the laser class cuts you off from escaping, and the tank class swarms you to death. It's a bad situation and I think it's cool there are multiple half-answers. Personally I'd rather have even one more mag of 120 instead of a sword.
I think Meiya is spunky, and cool!
Is there a clear picture of Mars getting nuked from orbit? The event being shown on the left here
>>22944887So jealous right now. Always wanted to beat the shit out of Yuuhi. Stupid purple bitch.Purple is an ugly color anyway.
>haven't visited /mlg/ for some time>come back>the only "discussion" generated is a commie vatnigger coping (triple tautology!)So's, I take it the gacha was not the franchise-reviving success age wanted it to be.
>>22945215it has an average monthly sales ranking of 700, which is really good if you're delusional or a hack trying to scam your fanbase.
>reading Kiminozo>Tamano talks about how she found a bookstore by following a catGoddammit Kouki you hack, stop stealing plot beats from Ghibli movies
>>22944829I agree
>>22946025Is this AI slop?
>>22946046nigger you are retarded
>>22946049Yes
>>22942874>Even Operation Cherry Blossom is just Operation Ten-Go, except the BETA don't just blow up the Susanoo long before it gets anywhere.For me, the BETA invasion of 98 was Operation Downfall (or Ketsugo), even with the "invade the southern part first, then go to the north".Sadogashima looks more like Ten-Go (IMHO), while Cherry Blossom gets the "WW1 mass artillery strike, and after, everyone jumps out of the trenches, and face the bloodshed" vibe. The Susanoo is the WW1 tank that breaches the defenses.>>22942880>and the BETA haven't changed their equipment since the war started>2 weeks later the landing, Laser strains come out of the hole and start shooting everything on site>25 years later, Soldier Class are detected on the battlefields>a few years later, the Fort-Laser "hybrid" class appears, destroying everything on sightnot equipment , but new strains, straight from the nest's "labs"...>Humanity settled on a mix of 36 and 120 as the ideal and nothing changed since then>idealYeah, i dont buy that. Like i said before, none of those weapons surpass 4km practical or effective range.there is NO BVR in the arsenal, which is in very need. even the smaller laser strains double or triple on firing range, putting TSFs (without support) in serious disadvantage.>until a weakpoint starts collapsing, and you end up surrounded, the laser class cuts you off from escaping, and the tank class swarms you to death.a TOTAL Killzone.That reminds me in Teito Muyo, when Takamura and the Gurrrrlz trying to escape the BETA... in a plain zone, basically a shooting gallery for lasers, not using the mountains as a shield...>I think it's cool there are multiple half-answersfor me, that's check-mate. Cornered without exit...
>>22946025Have you tried to make TSFs with the AI?Must be harder to train because of the specific designs...>>22946046look the filename, is a command prompt.
>>22942880>We actually did have that tech on that timescale in the real world, it's just reality is disappointing and we didn't find them valuable because we weren't facing alien invasion>Project Orionthat thing was cancelled IRL because the hippies were mad about the exhaust waste. And Muh Nukies Treaties...in BETAverse, i think they used something similar to that in the Daedalus Project. which is weird, because if the propulsion system is used "unconventionally", the kinetic impact at maximum (theorical) speed (and good payload), it can impact like a mini-meteorite.the rest of the statement is true, sadly.
>>22932484no enough with the faggotry I want aliens and mechs and sex inside mechs while fighting aliens
>>22932484>ostalgie to the maxI would 100%.
Is Class Rep secretely the biggest whore in the cast?
>>22947292Like mother like daughter.
>>22946827True>>22947292Tama is the top candidate.that's from Tactical ?
Happy birthday best girl!
>>22948316My second favorite evil purple haired woman
I wanna hate fuck her
>>22948505I want to have missionary sex for the purpose of procreation inside the bounds of marriage with her
>https://youtu.be/QQVIRSHCY7Uthoughts about the gameplay?
>>22948625>unlistedhow did you get this?
>>22948625These images of such units jumping around the screen make my eyes dazzle... They would be better off copying the BattleTech or Phantom Brigade or Front Mission/MechaRashi system.
>>22942413>Not a lot since it needs to have a g-element fuckery and certain conditions that allowed it to happenWhat about the idea of time travel or interworld travel thanks to "warp gates" based on G-element technology? Same character from different lines with different personalities, that would be cool...
>>22942422>that used nukes as scorched earth, LOL.And? It didn't help recapture the territory. But the Yankees, for some reason, think that the mass use of damn gravity bombs on alien elements is a great idea...>Close Quarters Combat is expected to be a last resort. Once again, the problem is not that Washingtonians like to shoot, the thing is that almost all US TSFs are not adapted to close combat at all - neither in design nor in equipment. Which is strange, because they have enough information from friends and enemies who have been fighting with BETA for decades and more than enough resources to create a TSF taking into account the need for close combat. However, NOTHING.>they still REKT humanityI wouldn't say so. From the point of view of the inhabitants of the ML world, the 2.5/3rd generation TSF with wide close combat capabilities allowed:- The Soviet Union actually stopped the BETA advance on the remnants of its territory and holds the line of defense- The EU repels BETA attacks on the British Isles and blocks their passage through Gibraltar, as well as helping the Arabs defend the Suez Isthmus- Japan not only stopped the BETA advance, but also managed to reclaim its lands, clearing the islands after YokohamaPreviously, the TSF only slowed down the BETA advance, but now it seems to have been stopped...
>>22942694>On one side, everything is focused on Takeru, Kouzuki and Imperial Japan.Yes, but as I have already pointed out more than once, the image of "abroad" in ML is very biased and subjective... to hell with it, it is openly anti-Soviet/Russian - Germans in exile in England are noble knights, and Soviet soldiers are some kind of national minorities as meat shields. It would be better if they focused on Japan alone, than to issue such nonsense.>On the other side, Kouki based his work on Starship TroopersHe often screws up within his own world - where, for example, is the mass deployment of mechanized infantry in combat exoskeletons? Or the mass use of S-11 as explosives for warheads? TSFs do not even meet the minimum aerodynamics, although they learned to fly a long time ago...>"fatalistic WW2 thin veiled as alien invasion"But, contrary to Hollywood propaganda, World War II was not at all "fatalistic", despite all its cruelty... Even with the maximum successes of the Axis, the Allies considered victory real and achievable.>while FT can ruin the day to smaller and slower strains.Like, an emergency system for injecting a portion of fuel to create a local combustion zone?
>>22942824>When they need to "act" as a PR poster boi.However, here a problem arises with the USSR, which does not benefit from what is beneficial to the USA... I wonder what the agreed concessions and agreements were?>They did.Really? Then why didn't the Laser class come out? After all, without support from space, the lunar landing force, given its small numbers, would not have been able to conduct combat operations on a large scale for a long time... But if there were attacks from orbit, then the Laser class should have appeared... Did Kouki miss this point?>In this case i agree.By the way, an odd moment from TDA related to the capture of NORAD - when describing the Earth's space defense system, 3 key orbital stations are mentioned in the US, UN and, suddenly, France... That is, not only is the role of the USSR in the Moon War unclear, but the extent of its participation in the defense of the orbit is also unclear.>but this timeline, USSR depends too much on Western tech2 points:1) worse, because Kouki and Co. almost directly indicate that all Russian TSFs were made exclusively with the help of technologies stolen from the West2) despite all the backwardness of the scientific and technical school of the Soviets declared in the ML, Moscow ended up at the head of the breakthrough in genetics and biology, having created espersWe are not talking about RTS, so such a spread in the technology tree looks implausible.>(you know what implies this)That Koki is a rotten Russophobe who not only decided to level the IRL achievements of the Soviets in aviation but also in addition - TDA - decided to deprive Russia of space. It is better not to remember TE with his description of the Union at all. The IRL Union had many difficulties in creating advanced systems in the late period of its existence, such as fighters, but the MiG-29 and Su-27, like their descendants, are very good combat aircraft.
>>22942824>Murrica's Best™ Interests™ for u , m8.Did you mean "Kouki Yoshimune's US-centric worldview"? Slave thinking as it is - even in his fantasy of the Great and Mighty Japanese Empire, the Japanese still write about the US.>Its like, another type of "civilization"..Without the support of the USSR, no. The fact that after the fall of Eastern Europe under the pressure of BETA, the Warsaw Bloc commie regimes did not collapse, and Germany did not unite has no clear justification or common sense. It is not even necessary for the plot.>Pretending to beThere were two sides to the Cold War, in case you forgot Dick. If you haven't been banned from Google, look up anti-colonialist conflicts in Africa.
>>22948752>>22948750>>22948718>>22948705OMG. you two idiots shut up. Its the same fucking thing again and again. Round and round. stop talking just to hear yourselves speak
>>22942880>Muvluv imitates reality.Not really. In ML there is a real mess of ideas plucked from different sources - he closed projects to the point of fantasy - mixed with his extremely distorted perception of IRL, multiplied by resentment for poor and offended Japan. He has a fetish - every time he mentions that the Yankees did not allow the Japanese to independently develop the F-2.There was a project for such a ship, but it was not actually implemented in space exploration. In ML, technical development allowed many ideas to be implemented in metal and much earlier than in IRL, but some key aspects, such as the development of weapons, were not affected by this progress at all. This is impossible. War is the engine of progress.>Swords are good in Faraway Dawn for when you run out of 120Tactical play is always limited by the rules of game mechanics - in the ML reality, Mana and the Baka-Trio on Takemikazuchi fought with swords for a long time during the defense of Yokohama and were among the few units without losses.
>>22948755If they stop talking this general will 404 because nobody else cares anymore.
>>22948842That's unfair I only got into Muv-Luv this summer and this is the only place I could conceivably come to talk about it
>>22948767Dude I can barely fucking understand you but the Orion class spaceship was absolutely do-able in the 60s, It was that or more ICBMs and they chose the boring option. The feedback protectors are called that in reference to the hardiman bipedal forklift -it accomplished its mechanical goals but there was a positive feedback loop problem that would injure the user. It was solvable especially with advancements in computing, they just didn't bother. So, feedback protector.I'm guessing you can't understand me so you're thinking I literally mean we had TSFs in the 70s or something. Do you just come here to practice your English?>TakasNo lasers, best possible terrain, zero distance to fuel and ammo, special case pilots and craft. What are you even arguing? -wait don't answer I don't care.>>22948750>MoonYou really haven't read anything. TSFs were developed because bombardment doesn't work on the moon.This one's interesting so I'l digress. Dust on earth is entirely different from dust on the moon because there's no water or wind to erode the particles into softer shapes -all moon dust was created by meteor impacts and remains in its initial shattered state, so the lunar surface is covered in seas of electrically charged broken glass. This causes it to get everywhere and stick to everything, and when excited can swirl from the electrical currents until it settles.So the moon is covered in ECM and the more bombs you set off the worse it gets. Imagine what total war on the moon would be like.
>>22946175no yet, but yeah mechs would be harder
>>22948925
>>22948949
>>22948925>>22948949>>22948957Fuck off.
>>22948971Make me.
Beatrix did nothing wrong.
>>22948916And here's some cool footage showing how easily moon dust kicks up and how slowly it settles. It gets stuck to his rear wheel and only comes off when the rover jolts a bit.And I finally remember to unset the name field -what a retard.
Rank every TSF from favorite to least favorite, go!
>>22949104>beatrix did nothingtrue!
>>22949104She fell for a male gold-digger so she clearly did something wrong.
>>22948848same
>>22949159off the top of my headraptor > takemi > shiranui > balalaika > cheburashka zwei > shiranui 2 > shiranui p3 > fubuki > rafale > typhoon > terminator > gekishin > the chinese one yifei had > black widow > super hornet > strike eagle > cheburashka > alligator > rest
>>22948848>>22949904Sorry, newfriends.
>>22948668>>22948625yup, we got a fuzz insider here...aside from that, i agree with >>22948679 , the animations occupy all the screen, added with the LASER disco , some anon will get a seizure, LMOA.I get the Front mission 2 vibes with that "fast-battle animated sequences" Also but last>thumbnail shows dual wielding sniper Type-87wut?
>>22948705none of the 3 examples you give are strong partidaries of the "majoritary" CQC.>>22948752you missed the joke over you head. awfully. Also, arming the dictatorships in Africa makes the commies accomplices , Victor.>>22948718>[...] It would be better if they focused on Japan alone, than to issue such nonsenseWelp, simple, ignore ALL spin-offs, and problem solved!>where, for example, is the mass deployment of mechanized infantry in combat exoskeletons? it is implied in one of the side-stories (also, in Teito Muyo, that IRG cadets that fail the tests to pilot TSFs get sent to MI) at the BETA invasion of Japan, and is the same results with anything "slower" (Pic related: 8x of speed, a normal "fit" person means 60 km/h?) and have less "punch" than tanks (or any conventional land forces, except infantry). >Like, an emergency system for injecting a portion of fuel to create a local combustion zone?Read again, Rocket weapons, not the rocket fuel of the TSFs. Throwing away your escape/evade fuel is suicidal.>>22948750>Really? Then why didn't the Laser class come out?FINALLY. A good question.As someone pointed out in another post, it seems that BETA "reacts" only when the Original Hive (a.k.a the Manager, lel) is "at risk". My main assumption is that humanity never hit the Original Hive in Moon... which now got me thinking... Where is it?>[...] when describing the Earth's space defense system, 3 key orbital stations are mentioned in the US, UN and, suddenly, France [...]When SHADOW system (early 80s) was being deployed, USSR had probably lost their launching areas in Khazahistan and trying something nearby to BETA was considered an insane risk.France had launched from the French Guyana, obviously.> - TDA - decided to deprive Russia of spaceWait, someone had something in space? with all the gravitational anomalies?>imagine being stranded out there, and nobody will come to help you
>>22949159IMO, the F-5 looks gud enough with being blocky but aesthethic for me. Fubuki comes close, followed by the F-15, painted in dark blue.Shiranui and Su-27 comes after.the F-16 looks weird, because the IRL plane is SLEEK as hell, and cant see none of the similarities in the TSF.
>>22948916Not that anon, but:>[...] It was solvable especially with advancements in computing, they just didn't bother.maybe 20 years later. Computers (and processors) in the 70s were still big. and prone to failure...>Takas you forgot that were only 4 of those. a very small sample.>Imagine what total war on the moon would be like.An ATROCIOUS idea.In the most extreme case, getting that thing "out of orbit" , Earth will have its "counter- balance shaft" gone (a lot of climatological stuff happens -or not- because of the Moon). Or worse, it gets on collision course with the planet...
>>22950218>Or worse, it gets on collision course with the planet...I've seen Moonfall, it'll be fine.
For those who watched the anime, what did this new girl even do?
>>22950605Hardly anything.
>>22950605survive
>>22950605Be cute
>>22950605Hides in a box. Gets shaky.>>22950170>increases the Surface Pilot's survival rate>Hey BETA here's a whole fucking unarmored torso for you to eat easily.
>>22950605>146imagine
>>22948625This could be a "holding shift/ctrl to speed up" sort of thing. The first half is just rapid play. I think it's good for turn based games to play fast especially with higher unit counts and the enemy's turn, but making it easy to understand what the enemy is doing is also important and the way the camera is jumping around without zooming out while the effects are taking up most of the screen is a bit much -and it looks like the TSF taking damage is barely onscreen at the bottom there.. The cursor also stays on the one TSF while each takes their turn making it unclear who's attacking.Gameplay wise it looks like a formation style attack of opportunity whoring game so I fear it will be a contest of optimizing an obvious gameplan.
I hope some Meiya-bro opens a new thread...>>22951286There is a front armored ES. It is shown in the VNs...
https://old.reddit.com/r/MuvLuv/comments/1gzq8me/tororo_on_muvluv_tactics_and_the_road_to/
>>22952804>The role of a corporate producer is to make the development a success, recoup the investment, and generate a high profit. If I fail to do so, it is only natural that I will be removed from my position, but the reality is that the “Muv-Luv” series may be frozen indefinitely due to a corporate management decision.Sad.
>>22953688I feel like they've pulled the "give us money for this thing you don't want to save muv luv!" card way too much already. The reality is that they had plenty of money and chances to produce a product that isn't complete shit and have failed to do every time
>>22950170>give are strong partidaries of the "majoritary" CQC.Not "majority" but balanced armament. Everyone except the Yankees equips their TSF for close combat, so there are practical reasons for that. The US's persistence here is even surprising.>you missed the joke over you head.The world is not black and white and the communists and capitalists supported all sorts of "interesting" guys when it was profitable - there are no right sides here.>Welp, simple, ignore ALL spin-offs, and problem solved!Alas, I have already read them and my respect for Kouki and Co. as authors was destroyed by the nonsense they painted about the Soviet Union and East Germany. The problem here is not only in the stereotypes themselves, which are the cheapest and blackest propaganda for idiots, but in their selectivity - Western Europeans are depicted in a good light. In some G-Gundam, the Japanese also thoroughly mocked national stereotypes, but there everyone got it - except the Japanese themselves.>it is implied in one of the side-storiesMentions are not equal to demonstrations. These things, for example, are positioned as a rescue tool for TSF pilots, that is, theoretically, they have sufficient mobility and defensive capabilities to pull a person out of the territory under attack by BETA. But in the VN and anime there is not a single case where such a thing was shown in action.>Rocket weapons, not the rocket fuel of the TSFs.If flamethrowers and thermobaric warheads are not an option, then what about such unorthodox weapons as stun guns and electric dischargers? How vulnerable are BETAs to electricity?
>>22950170>As someone pointed out in another post, it seems that BETA "reacts" only when the Original Hive (a.k.a the Manager, lel) is "at risk".Interesting theory. But in the case of the Moon, there is another problem, if we take the logic of the US in the ML as a basis - what is the point of sending a tiny number of soldiers with pseudo-combat equipment 380,000 km from Earth if you can carry out a mass bombing and wait for the result?>When SHADOW system (early 80s) was being deployed, USSR had probably lost their launching areas in KhazahistanIn canon, it is mentioned that Red Russia has a rather powerful space fleet, and before the BETA invasion of Earth, it was focused on space exploration with automatic stations and was engaged in the construction of bases in orbit... I heard that the author of TDA received some kind of recommendation/instruction not to touch on the USSR when writing, but given the events around Tatsunami, he clearly overdid it, going against logic by drowning only the Soviet part of America and against common sense by ignoring the canonical presence of Moscow in space.>Wait, someone had something in space?In TDA? Yes, both the space station people and the orbital divers played an active role in Episode 03.
>>22948916>Orion class spaceship was absolutely do-able in the 60s,But it was never built. Just like this "loader" in the photo. The technology back then simply wouldn't have allowed for mass production and reliable use of such high-tech. Hell, even now exoskeletons are at best at the stage of experimental prototypes and technology demonstrators - something like MADOX is something the military can only dream of. Even Musk isn't trying to make a ship with a nuclear engine now.>TSFs were developed because bombardment doesn't work on the moon.The bombings worked quite well, although for some reason they were carried out with the help of ground-based mass accelerators, and not shuttles with nuclear warheads, but the side effect from them interfered with the people themselves. In general, a strange moment - given the quantitative superiority of the BETA and the limitation on weapons and the lack of orbital support, the lunar landing in principle could not have held out against the BETA for so long. Well, the effectiveness of robotic machines with close combat options was confirmed back then on the Moon, and later in Eurasia. The Yankees even in 2001 rely on mass bombings and long-range combat - is this some kind of inability to learn or something?
>>229491591) MiG-29/35 for beautiful and functional design, as well as overall balance (Su series is too ugly)2) Typhoon and Rafale for efficiency and the use of a couple of new effective tactics and weapons3) Raptor and Lightning due to the stealth feature, and although they are also poorly adapted for close combat as other Yankee TSFs, they are at least unusual4) Takemikazuchi and Shiranui are interesting machines, but they do not have real prototypes and have a lot of problems within the ML5) Chinese and other TSFs are too secondary
>>22955550Ya got a lot of words but they don't mean anything. I won't reply unless I've got something interesting to say, but anyways you can look at the hardiman photograph with your fucking eyes and see they built it. Technological advancement is neither linear nor always forward.
Some day I'll stop being lazy and learn basic modding for some FPS with giant aliens (possibly one of the Crysis games, maybe find something else) to scribble the words "her name was Tamase Miki" on some gun, Brenton Tarrant-styleWhy the fuck do I want this, I have no idea.
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>>22958052>298Retard.
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>>22953987I gave them money again...
