It may be looked down upon as a gaijin's first Gundam show but seriously, it's not that bad. A perfectly enjoyable 90s anime. I'd even say it may be among the best of non-Tomino Gundam shows.
Better than Seed and X for sure.
>>22930604It has a lot of great moments. Cool suits, neat setting, fun characters.It's only crime is being retarded as hell but in the goofy way. Compared to how retarded as hell ends up looking most of these days I'd say Wing got off really lucky.
Honestly am loving Wing. Probably my favorite AU so far (Wing, SEED, 00). All I ever heard about Wing was Heero memes and Toonami nostalgia. There's not that much discussion about the actual plot or settings and what I've heard people say is that its messy and people only like it for nostalgia but there's some really cool stuff here. The pacing can be very fast at times and it can seem like characters are just randomly changing motivations but I like how they portray the war in this series.The colonies haphazardly begin Operation Meteor barely knowing of each others plans, the Gundams begin wrecking Earth Alliance, OZ, which was once a military group of the Earth Alliance, takes advantage of the Gundams to coup the Earth Alliance and begin incorporating the Colonies through the use of propaganda. The Gundam boys reach Space but the Colonies have abandoned them and they end up being supported by the space forces of the former Earth Alliance, while OZ takes over the colonies. OZ is fractured into 2 while all this is happening as Treize resigns and inadvertently creates his own faction of OZ. All of this while the threat of the Mobile Dolls grows in the background and you hear characters constantly remarking on how they cheapen war and turn it into a game. The way random one off soldier characters are portrayed is really cool with characters like Walker (gives Zechs the Tallgeese and does his best to fight the Gundams knowing he'll lose), Otto (sacrifices himself to pilot the Tallgeese on a suicide mission for Zechs's sake). I started feeling for this random grandpa that was just introduced like 5 minutes ago in this episode once he started talking about how OZ will destroy the colony with Barge and how other colonies must learn of what it means to arm themselves.
It's the worst 90s Gundam in a landslide and there are so many better 90s anime you should watch instead.
>>22933947yeah i really feel like no one has kinda done the dirty on Wing. the most obvious point is, it largely focuses on drone warfare. sure stuff like 00 goes into it, but Wing was the first gundam show to really conceptualize how awful drone warfare would be (and is today). in fact, treize's quote about how war is ugly when fought with drones because there is no human spirit on display. so since the war is ugly and sad, God will no longer even care to watch and give the victor his touch. it's a really, really badass quote that sums of a plot that's really unique to Wing; human vs machine. there's also the zero system and it's human/computer interface. of course cyber newtypes were a thing in OG gundam, but i feel Wing did a good job of really showing just about any person would experience things like thru a force machine interface feeding their brain way too much quantum data about possible futures. we all watched it as kids, but it's actually got an incredibly deep story.
>>22930604I'm glad that this my first, unlike all these zoomers that grew up on IBO, Buildslop, and Bamco-approved versions of UC and CE
>>22933947>>22934279the truth is that the anons that shit on it do it just because Wing is one of the only series without a super duper special kind of people, so they can't self insert their fat ass on the new-type/coordinator/whatever characters. That and there is no magic. Similar at how Star Wars fans got butthurt when Lucas introduced midiclorians and made the force something more phisical and less new wave voodo shit.
>>22934367Nah.
>>22934367>without a super duper special kind of peopleheero's an untalkative walking blank canvas, it's easy as fuck to project onto him as the MC>no magicthe fuck you smoking? heero's a literal fucking golden boy, his name is a play on "the one" or "the first", he's special (needs) as fuck
>>22934393>heero's an untalkative walking blank canvas, it's easy as fuck to project onto him as the MCyeah, but he is a regular autist, not a super duper special kind. So they feel less inclined to self insert into him.>the fuck you smoking? heero's a literal fucking golden boy, his name is a play on "the one" or "the first", he's special (needs) as fuckNo magic! No refunds!
>>22934401>yeah, but he is a regular autist, not a super duper special kind. So they feel less inclined to self insert into him.He's a 15-year-old superspy who looks like a model, a woman he threatens to murder wants to jump on his dick, and he tears down armies by himself. Heero's like if James Bond was more ridiculous.
>>22934410>a woman he threatens to murder wants to jump on his dickTeenage girls making extremely poor romantic decisions is actually the most realistic part of Wing.
>>22934421crazy girls need love too
>>22934393Reminder that the Gundams in Wing are more or less 17 meters tall. Hero therefore generally falls from a height of 7-8 meters considering the height of the cockpit. Fucking super human.
>>22934422>gigantic megamelonsbut hwhy
>>22934463don't forget this either, he's launched a distance of 10 to 15 metres in order to be clear of the crater, plus the ~10 meter drop to the ground.
>>22934291lol, 20 years ago, people like (You) were making these posts about Wing
>>22934466When I was a kid I always wanted to buy a wing gundam model kit and blow it up with fireworks.
One of my favorite scene is in EW, the big bad isn't killed by any important character. He is killed by a random grunt wanting to honor Treize
>>22934466Given how easily they reconstructed it, what was the point of this scene? Really... I also find the direction of the entire scene hilarious as they tries to make a dumb suicide look like something epic.
>>22934562at the time no other gundam stories had something like that happen so it was basically a big dramatic cliffhanger of a scene only 10 episodes into a year-long series. the director basically said "suicide is interesting" and seemingly decided to do it because it was gonna be attention-grabbing.https://www-gundam--w-jp.translate.goog/special/taidan.html?_x_tr_sch=http&_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=ENand then well, you couldn't kill the main character off early like that so timeskip a month to let him heal from his injuries, and then the mid-season wing zero upgrade wasn't ready yet either so the wing gundam gets rebuilt (and then abandoned for a while..)
>>22934562It wasn't the result, it was the display of willingness to die for the mission, complete opposite of most Gundam protags who are not soldiers at all. Child soldiers at that.
>>22930604bad direction of action (watch the episode with them stealing rockets to escape from Earth, mechs arr outside the base, but there is nobody inside, just so they could put Gundams in the rockets)main characters are so OP the middle is all about taking Gundams away from them and putting Treize in his mansion so no side would win why should I care about MCs who just pop up to the existence 5 minutes before the first episode and have no backstory, excluding the blonde boy. And no, I shouldn't need to read additional manga to have that covered
>>22934594Shouldn't only the Gundam scientist have access to Gundamium? I guess OZ magically had some?
>>22934687The Alliance controlled the colonies, you think they didn't take over any Gundanium refining facilities?
>>22934687>>22934691They also never bothered to make a Gundanium mobile suit before the actual gundams
>>22934622Yeah, Heero was fucked up at first and that scene work for him, but that should have been placed later and the Wing Gundam destroyed for good. Revealing the repaired wing shortly after was a bit cheap
>>22934702They should have had at least a few episodes of the aftermath, instead of skipping straight to Heero waking up.
>>22934464why not
I dunno, I saw it again recently and it's honestly pretty rough. So much time is spent on the politics of the setting, but it doesn't paint a particularly interesting setting. You essentially learn that the boys have no real agency despite the power of their robots and are just completing menial small scale tasks for the doctors at a scale that could never realistically put a dent in Oz's world wide occupancy, given their current pace and Oz's size. You quite literally see Oz grow faatsr than the boys can act. Even killing Trieze really wouldn't have helped their goals. So instead of the narrative finding a way for the doctors to actually fight back against Oz... They just come up with White Fang, a new smaller villain at a scale the characters can actually conceivably do something about. And the show just kind of ends with that, even though though it doesn't really acknowledge the fate of the original conflict the whole setting was written around. The pacing is a serious slog and it doesn't really feel like anything is moving forward in any particular direction until White Fang shows up, and they aren't even particularly interesting villains. More like a convenient platform for Zechs to act out with.
>>22934466When Dr. J said that he surrenders but will not give up the Gundam, was he trying to tell Heero to run away or kill himself?
>>22935014He totally expected him to kill himself, that probably rehersed this shit.
>>22934562Even as a teenager I thought >"Uh... Was that supposed to be cool?"It's made worse cause Sandrock's self destruct was a more effective at destroying itself AND actually served as a meaningful sacrifice.
>>22934410still just human, not one with special powers.
>>22930604It had amazing villains let down by bland/shit heroes. Also the pacing and buildup is kind of a mess, so it has a lot of cool scenes that would be amazing on paper, but in context they don't feel earned because they weren't given the proper room to breathe. So it ultimately is a very flashy show, but with little emotional weight behind it, decent but not amazing.
>>22935019I think the writer's intention was a mix of feelings. You are supposed to think it's kind of cool that he was willing to go that far with no hesitation and for Zechs, it's a big wakeup call to see a pilot so young with such determination considering how afraid he was of piloting the Tallgeese when he first got it. But also, the previous Heero suicide attempts (bomb, parachute) were portrayed as this cool, tactical move but after this one actually (mostly) goes through and you see Heero's lifeless body, I don't think you were supposed to see it as cool anymore. For all the bravado and dramatic framing of the self destruction earlier, once you see his body, he's just this lifeless corpse lying in a pool of his own blood.
>>22934463Didnt he fall off a skyscraper and land on a beach and not get hurt.
>>22934466Is there an MC that hates his Gundam as much as Heero? The dude abandons it multiple times and eventually just fucking leaves it for Wing Zero.
Even if there wasn't a single other good thing in the show (which isn't true, it's very enjoyable) Duo is pure kino.
>>22930604Heero was my favorite autist until Setsuna came along and I liked Zechs too but overall I didn't much care about any of the other characters or the story. The action was mediocre too with lots of stock footage. The gundam designs were pretty much ass to me aside from the Epyon which is sexy as fuck. It has a certain 90s charm to it but I consider it a pretty weak show, even by lowly mecha standards.
>>22937129It's very based that the Gundams are just tools and not special MC specific machines. They swap pilots for the machines as needed and Heero's more than willing to abandon and destroy his Gundam if it becomes a liability.
>>22937045He parachuted, but botched it and rolled most of the way, so not a straight fall
>>22934594The art direction in Wing is so bland.
>>22937695He rolled down hard enough to break his leg (or did he dislocate it?) but we later seem him pop the bone back together with his bare hands.
The ~10 episodes when they get out to the colonies I actually really like but the rest of the show feels like its spinning its wheels a lot
I havent watched this since it originally aired, had alot going on back then irl so i missed bits and pieces and never really got around to sitting down and rewatching it. I do remember liking it hope itll hold up.I should do that some time.
>>22934279Trieze one of the best gundam antagonists... the good war hallows any cause. Wufei vs Trieze rivalry also great
>>22934702>>22934713It took four episodes to have Heero wake up again and the same four to find out Zechs was secretly repairing Wing. You all have shit memories
I would like to see a Gundam WIng with the original writer being able to flesh out all his ideas and what it would have become. It had a lot of anti united states militerial complex ideas that when I watched it as a kid flew over my head.Shame the show was in production hell and turned into a mess with recap episodes and nothing happening during the middle of it. The only saving grace being the designs and bl baiting.
Im convinced that the majority of Wing hate is americans trying to distance themselves from association with childhood>>22939380relena little headspin in the ED triggers primal part of the brain
>>22939386You think you want this but you don't. The OG writer wrote Frozen Teardrop and it's complete dogshit. Like all the worst parts of Wing multiplied a thousandfold.
>>22939380I aint ashamed to admit i prefered the toonami ed.
>>22939800Pretty sure what anon is referring to is Masashi Ikeda, the original director of the series (until he was fired after episode 26). Afterwards the lead writer Katsuyuki Sumisawa, which you're referring to basically had complete narrative control of the series since then.
>>22940073What did Shinji Takamatsu contribute?
>>22940621Outside of storyboarding a few episodes like 34, we can only speculate. But Sunrise probably let him direct X as a reward since he was never properly credited here.
>>22930604It's better than G-Bitch
>>22930604I appreciate it for being the West's introduction to Koh Ohtani. Slow down the battle themes and they sound like they're from Shadow of the Colossus despite being a completely different genre.
>>22938110>had alot going on back then irl so i missed bits and pieces and never really got around to sitting down and rewatching itMe too, mostly soccer practice.
>>22939386>It had a lot of anti united states militerial complex ideas that when I watched it as a kid flew over my head.I feel like most of those got through. I suppose that they could have been sharper in their critique, but it's hard to read OZ as anything but Strangereal NATO, and everything that that implies by analogy.
>>22935014He was telling Heero to self destruct through whether he knew Heero would do it while fucking standing on it is unknown. Zechs shows with the Tallgeese it's perfectly possible to self destruct after bailing out so the Wing boys insisting they had to do it and die with their suits is just autism on their part.
>>22930604Wing is only good if you shut your brain off and enjoy it ironically. It's one big unintentional shitpost.
>>22934367>the truth is that the anons that shit on it do it just because Wing is one of the only series without a super duper special kind of peopleLiterally no one thinks this, retard. And you're fucking retarded if you think Wing doesn't have super special people. The protagonists are 5 snowflake, scrawny teenagers with terminator tier performance, piloting the strongest weapons in the world. Gtfo
>>22934291>Hating on IBOlet me guess, Final Fantasy 7 was your first final fantasy wasn’t it?
>>22941572>>22935014Yeah, at least some of the Doctors knew some of their pilots would try to stay with the machine while it self-destructed. The one that designed Quatre's Sandrock specifically programmed a safety measure to have it allow Quatre to escape because he knew Quatre would be too emotional and maybe not get out unless the door was literally opened for him.
>>22941572To be fair to Duo, he was in space without a suit, he was fucked either way if Deathscythe's self-detonate actually worked.
>>22930604I tried to re-watch it a few years ago thinking it'd be fun. It was pretty dreadful.
Wing is fairly bad on the whole, but Treize is great. The approach to the drone topic is really good. Une, Noin and the anti-Relena are hot.
>>22937405Why do you like Setsuna? He kept coming across to me as a cipher.
>calm judgment>Wufei
wing had the best soundtrack of any gundamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQhM4dqzSdw
>most important suit in the show>no RG cmon bandai
Isn’t it encouraging that you can write meaningless shit like Wing and still get your work on TV and raise a generation of impressionable children to defend you forever?
>>22949303He is calm, as long as women are not in the vicinity
>>22930604Why is there no Haro in Wing at all? Isn't he supposed to somehow appear or at least cameo once per a Gundam series?
>>22950373I liked how Heero didn't just get the Wing Zero immediately and his mid season upgrade was basically Mercurius instead.
>>22930604>but seriously, it's not that bad.It's not very good either. It's like drinking a slightly warm, slightly flat soda.
I just realised that wing came out earlier the same year eva did, both wouldve ran side by side for months.I never see it brought up that heero basically the total opposite of shinji and got "into the robot" willingly.>>22950809Vayete and Mercurius shouldve had more screentime honestly.
It's so bad it's good. Carried by outstanding suit designs and a few cool characters. The story is complete nonsense that borders on a campy parody of the scifi war drama gundam presents itself as. I love it but it is a mess.
>>22930604the fight between mercurius and vayeate and wing zero is my favorite gundam fight of all time. i thought it was such a cool idea to have the protagonists be forced to pilot the enemy mobile suits and fight against the gundam. also thought it was cool that heero got to pilot epyon as well, so it wasn't just a bland mid season upgrade like many other shows.
>>22950921>>22950809Vayete and Mercurius should've been Noin and Une's suits like in the SNES game.
>>22930604What if this was the live action movie instead? Would it...."succeed" more with western audiences?I want Michael Bay to do an 08th MS team adaptation
>>22930604Could a gaijin even watch UC gundam in the 90s early 2000s outside of Cartoon Network? Did they have eng subtitled gundam VHS tapes or something back then in america?
>>22952431I saw bootlegs of 0083 back in the mid 90s, so people probably had the opportunity to see UC gundam material.
>>22952431The movie trilogy was released in America in 1998 subtitled and 1999 dubbed. 0080 and 0083 were also released in America in 1999. Gundam Wing aired on Toonami in 2000.
Duo is my favorite Gundam character.
>>22934279>>22948749https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kx5xrMeg74EGundam Wing was so ahead of its time. If Japan ever geared for war again, pray that creative minds like the ones who worked on Wing aren't their designers of weapons.
>>22954334Duo is a great character.
>>22954532Honestly Duo and Heero playing basketball together at school was comfy as fuck. What made Wing interesting was that Heero paired up with the other pilots sans Wufei.
>>22954334>>22954532I find Duo to be the least interesting Wing boy, not even that good a boyfriend for Heero.
>>22954601Even if I didn't love Duo Wufei is the worst boy by leaps and bounds. He's borderline retarded and not in a fun way.
Do people actually watch these shows, I thought they exist only so they can sell toys
Are you a bad enough dude to protect the colonies, /m/?
>>22954648Wufei's hilarious in how his self-righteousness and refusal to acknowledge nuance keeps making everything harder for everyone. I can't bring myself to hate him.
>>22954648I didn't like wufei when I watched the show as a child, but rewatching as an adult his misogyny made him the most entertaining character.
>>22930604i think its not good. simple reasoning. characters suck mostly. suits dont really wow me or anything fo the most part.
>>22954532>>22954601Duo is only “the least interesting” because he is in fact “the most well-adjusted”. He’s my favourite too because he actually has ALL his marbles unlike the other four flavours of autismo he has to work alongside.
The Abridged series is pretty good
>>22954435wing is simultaneously a combination of some of the best writing and worst writing I have ever seen in my life ad the contrast is jarringas others have mentioned it has cool insight into drone warfare, enhanced cognition technologies. no one else here has mentioned but there is a lot of three kingdoms kind of references throughout the series, the show is written for kids, who are learning chinese history in middle school, and it helps frame political conflicts in relatively intelligent contexts. I also think the core concept of a strong female lead with strong democratic support protecting the warriors more than they can actually protect her is an interesting take. they tried to sell the romantic aspect ofthis to fujos.at the same time, it was written on a weekly basis, kind of like sailor moon. it was also marketed to fujoushi. so people do retarded thinks weekly in order to draw the women in, and plot threads can never be resolved, or even experience meaningful development because it is weekly and must build and resolve on an episodic basis. nothing EVER develops overthe course of the entire series until, I guess, finally zechs rallies a gigantic rebel faction out of nowhere to basically copy the plot progression of char's counterattack. but again, it's not really development, it comes out of fucking nowheremy impression is that sunrise was trying to draw in kids into a franchise that they could develop into a slightly more intellectually mature product. but no one liked it, because unsurprisingly, gundam fans are mostly brain damaged, and so it stayed fucking retardedit would have been better by pruning back the cast to half (never going to happen. the bishounen were selling the merch to the fujos) and by making the series 26 episodes and cutting out half of the plot point (never going to happen, gotta make it weekly to sell the model kits)
>>22959527just speculation but I think sunrise continued again to go down the 'intelligent political drama mecha' angle. they pushed out ryvius right after wing. it was an excellent show that had a lot of the same aspects as wing, but less fucking retarded. it was a complete flop. they never tried it ever again. all mecha after that was complete slop off the top of my head. they didnt even try it again until code geass, which just like ryvius combined marketing towards fujo and otaku markets. and code geass is fun and wacky, but come on you know its retarded.
I get that it's pretty common in all Gundam but the dialogue in Wing can feel pretty abstract. I actually like how theatrical and romantic the story/dialogue/visuals of Wing are but some of it can be hard to understand. Like what does Treize actually mean when he says he wants to be a loser? What does Treize actually want Heero to accomplish with Epyon if he doesn't see it as a weapon? Heero agrees with him here and says that he hopes he doesn't return a winner either but then later when he exchanges Gundams with Zechs, he says he had no idea what Treize wanted him to do with Epyon.
>>22960134It's bad translation. A better way would have been to say Treize wanted to be an underdog, that he didn't want an easy victory. Wing's message is anything gained without struggle is taken for granted and struggle and fighting makes humanity better.
>>22960134>What does Treize actually want Heero to accomplish with Epyon if he doesn't see it as a weapon?Doesn't Epyon quite literally allow its user to look and see different possible futures?I've just finished watching it and it doesn't seem to even be subtle that one of the reasons Zechs/Milliardo ends up suddenly becoming the leader of White Fang is that he saw that future while piloting Epyon.
>>22960187This. The translation for Wing is ancient, stiff, and unnatural even before you get to how the dub added twice the number of words to match lip flaps.
>>22933947This. Seems like people only know about Wing from the shitposts. I'll admit all the factions and stuff gets a bit crazy but that's politics for you. Just constant backstabbing and bullshit. The Gundam pilots having their objectives because of the whims of whoever the fuck was in charge was a nice touch, they're soldiers who follow objectives. They aren't supposed to be the ones who dictate how the war goes. That was the job of Relena, Milliardo, Treize, Dorothy, etc. But the whole system was so corrupt that ultimately there was no choice but to solve everything through battle. That's why Milliardo and Treize kicked off another battle to settle everything. One of the core themes was Wing was the beauty of fighting and resisting. It still pushed pacifism but it never denounced fighting and killing like Tomino's shit. Rather through the Gundam pilots and with Treize as an observer of sorts, it's portrayed as something human, a necessity and something to be looked up to when done for the right reasons. That's why the drones were seen as something so blasphemous. It doesn't generalise conflict as a whole and doesn't come off nearly as preachy.Then you had the whole concept of 5 main characters each doing their own thing and being their own protagonist which I thought was awesome. Add in Relena, Milliardo and Treize and you have probably the most spread out focus out of any Gundam. Even G Gundam, 00 and other series which featured multiple Gundam still mostly limited the focus to the main protagonist. With Wing it was spread out quite well.Then there's the visuals, I really liked how Wing looked. Same goes for the mobile suits. I thought Wing and X were the best when it came to aesthetics. Those openings were top tier as well, rhythm emotion is probably my favourite Gundam opening.
>>22964571Epyon didn't help him much in the way of stopping Zechs from killing him lol. Seems like Treize didn't forsee that outcome happening to himself.
>>22950415Not really. I think there are an equal number of series with haro and without haro. It wasn't in G, X, IBO and most of the OVA either
>>22950809Vayete and Mercurius were honestly really good. Some of my favourite mobile suits in Gundam>>22954542Yeah it was cool when the various pilots teamed up. Heero was briefly with Wufei at the end, then they fought it out in EW. I think most of the other pilots partnered with each other at some point too, though Wufei was often the black sheep
>>22964970Wait, what are you talking about? Treize accepted his death, and intentionally left himself open to take the lethal hit. And why the fuck are you talking like Zechs was the one who did it?
>>22950809It's funny how Vayete and Mercurius are way better in terms of performance compared to Trowa's and Heero's Heavyarms and Wing gundam.
Leos are probably the best grunt design since the Zaku
