>IRL shields are held perpendicular to the arm>Gundam shields are held parallel to the armHas this ever been explained?
>>23012951Just look at the gunpla and it explains itself.The shields are parallel largely for stowage. There's usually an additional bracket on the back of the shield that can mounts directly onto the arm to free up the hand, this bracket sometimes has a rotating point so the shield can rotate to a perpendicular position when needed.
>>23012951Anon..
I'm more concerned about some shield attached on the side of the arm instead of the back of the arm.
Shield wielding posture is actually dependent on type and use case for shields. Sometimes you hold your arm sideways, other times you do a fist pump looking stance, but as long as the shield is covering its intended arc and is propped in a way that ensures the wielding arm isn't going to get fucked up if the shield takes a blow then congrats you have a valid posture.By the way, the shield on the Mk2 in OPs pic is technically upside down, I don't think Gundam has ever gotten this right about shields though, or more accurately it bullshits its way around it by often showing the shields to have some form of pivoting mounting system.
>>23012951That mk has his shield upside down.If you lift your shield to your face and you bend at the elbowyou should be abke to see theough the eye ports
>>23013069>>23013190can't recall if the mkII ever uses them, but l-gaim uses those spikes as weapons several times and that's where the shield design comes fromotherwise you'd both be right that the shield is upside down
>>23012951Actually, it's more complicated than that.You could use a shield like an additional weapon and it would work great on defense but leave you one hand short for wielding weapons and such.On the other hand, you could wear a shield on your arm like extra armor and have two hands free for a weapon or one hand free for holding horse reigns.
>>23013069I Think the RX-78 center grips the shield with the palm down. Weird, I know.
>>23013283Doesn't the grip for the that shield turn so it can hold the grip vertically?
>>23013069>>23013283>>23013488Depending on the model kit or lore or whatever, most shields have both a hand grip as well as a hardpoint attachment to the forearm that lets it hold the shield in multiple ways. Model kits tend to also include a little mechanical hinge joint that lets it mount to the forearm and rotate and whateverOrigin version of the RX-78 intentionally holds the shield "upside down" when standing normally so when the arm is rotated upward the shield is "right side up" again, but it's the only part of the franchise that has bothered to make this kind of distinction, usually the rest of the entire franchise just handwaves the shield orientation thing as "it can be held in any way, at any time, shit don't matter"
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>>23014804what the fuuuuuuuck?
>>23012975>stowageWhat an adowable lisp
wa la
What is the point of shields after the One Year War where beam weapons have become standard issue and mobile suits have taken over the role of all other fighting vehicles?
>>23030628The Mk-II's shield has anti-beam coating. (It gets worn away during battle and has to be replenished afterward.)The Unicorn's shield has an I-field generator.
>>23030633Okay, that's better then.
>>23030633Why not coat the whole body?
>>23030721Why not build the whole plane out of the black box?
>>23012951It's something fiction almost always messes up and frankly it's hard not to cringe when seeing it because it's so nonsensical. In reality both styles of shields were used, but shields held parallel to the arm were for people on horseback and was basically just for deflecting stray blows/projectiles. Both of these shields >>23012978>>23013277are designed for cavalry. Hence the strap which you drape across your neck and shoulder which allows you usage of your off hand to manipulate reins.On foot you want a shield held perpendicular like in your image.
>>23030773MS are armored cavalry. And they're meant to deflect stray shots too, blocking big solid melee hits is not their intended purpose
>>23030848Yeah and they grab giant reins to control their flying robot horses sure buddy okay
>>23030721The cockpit is likely reinforced, but there's only so much protection you can provide before severely harming performance or production costs. The cockpit has to be protected from all four sides, but the shield only requires protection from one side. Ideally your MS would spot and block the incoming danger before it hits the pilot. Putting all the weight of extra armor and cost of extra beam coating on on the shield instead of the cockpit means more money and maneuverability is saved without greatly hampering survivability, and in the case that extra weight must be dropped to (e.g. in an emergency and/or to improve acceleration, see picrel), the pilot can abandon the shield.
>>23030848>>23030852In space, MS move fast enough and have a small-enough profile (their legs are parallel to their angle of acceleration) that it works, although ground types are slower and benefit from holding them vertically.MS do sometimes ride on Dodai and Base Jabbers though.
>>23030852>they grab giant reins to control their flying robot horses
>>23030887No, it's retarded. You're trying to wing it because you're an incensed real robot fag but really you just don't know what the hell you're talking about it and it's tiresome to engage in. Anyway I answered OP's question so have fun retard.
>>23030893I just joined the thread here >>23030874, I don't know why you're seething because my reply was polite. I agreed that on foot you would want a perpendicular shield, but MS move differently on space and on Dodai/Base Jabbers.You're just projecting, aren't you
>Shield threadWhat were they thinking?
It's a fucking mech, you can do both or a myriad of other grips and orientations.
>>23031003isn't the Altron shield basically a frisbee weapon?
>>23031060They did bother to animate the Altron's shield blocking gunfire a few times, but yeah Wufei also threw the Shenlong's shield as a weapon once
>>23012951You know what, I have never seen a Zaku not its upgrades with the side shield being used against anything at all. The same goes the Ginns and other suits that feature a shield on the shoulder.
>>23031071I might be able to autistically find some examples
>>23031071
>>23031105>>23031114Using shoulder shields like that works great in fantasy physics but not so much in real life.
>>23031123Angled armour deflecting a glancing shot instead of giving a surface it can detonate against is absolutely a real thing.So is having an ablative non-critical component that can take the brunt of an impact.If anything, those two are reasonably grounded portrayals of a shield being effective.
>>23012951The are humanoid tanks, not people.
>>23031126I think he means rotating the body to protect from frontal attacks by putting your shoulder shield in front is a fantasy, not whether angled armor actually works or not
>>23031132You can't reason with animebrains. Especially realfags. They actually believe this shit is logical on some level.
>>23031132Oh. Well I mean I guess, but we're already talking about 20 metre tall humanoid war machines somehow easily piloted and finely manipulated with two joysticks and some macros, firing both beam and regular projectiles that tend to move precisely as fast as would be dramatically convenient and visually interesting.It probably shouldn't be super easy, but I don't see it being significantly less plausible than anything else going on.
>>23030721They did, it was called the Hyaku-Shiki.They also apply it more liberally (and strongly) on mass-produced units in later eras, but it still varies in effectiveness depending on the strength of the beam weapons being used. For example, the Zogok here probably had at least some anti-beam coating applied as an ad-hoc "upgrade" since beam weapons became the standard after the OYW, but the Byarlant being a Gryps era MS (with its own ad-hoc upgrades) could still cut through it with decent success. It couldn't do shit against the Zee Zulu though, which is a post-CCA era MS and theoretically has all the bells and whistles even for a mass production unit.
>>23030721Only Gundams and ace-tier stuff gets (anti-beam chemical coating) treatment like that, and it's only good enough to protect against small amounts of beams, not direct hits or beam sabers (unless it's the ZZ)
>>23030852tell the truth brother!
>>23031003Maybe something like this?
>>23031746Idgi
>>23031746That almost makes but it falls flat because the rounded shoulder pad on the other arm would actually work better for that purpose. Having a big flat shield is a bad design, shields are supposed to be rounded except in specific cases like some pavises which were board and flat because they were only designed to be taking impact from relatively weak long distance arrows.
>>23030628It's cheaper to coat a shield than an entire robot
>>23031760Zaku II shoulder shields are designed for charging head-first (literally) in space and not for MS combat because the feds didn't have known MS at the time the Zaku II were designed
>>23031105>UglooThats why I never saw it.>>23031114I barely remember seed, but thats nice.
>>23031853and this is why all modern combat vehicles have rounded surfaces?
I like the Tieren leg shield.
>>23032576That tank has various deflection angles, shaped in a wedge, for the same overall reason shields are round. The Zaku shoulder shield is a big flat target with the only angle being a small contour for the shoulder in a place that's largely ineffective. Please stop being a fucking retard.
>>23032600When you tilt flat armor, it becomes angled, you fucking retard
>>23032612The Zaku's shoulder shield is not effectively angled for taking head on hits in the position shown in >>23031746. I already asked you to stop being a fucking retard but you don't quit. Sad.
>>23032619Too bad, it's tilted
>>23032621Not in a way that defends against projectiles or other strikes, emotionally wounded retard.
>>23019795"Stowage" is an actual term. It refers primarily to the manner something is packed for transport as compared to "storage" which is packing something up to leave it somewhere until needed.
>>23032633>pretending to know material strengths and penetration values for fictional armor and weapons so you can lay a specific claim to die on a specific hillaheuhuehuehueheu
>>23032643You don't need to know that to see when a fantasy shield has a stupid design. It's like drawing a gun that has a curved barrel to shoot the person holding it. It's just stupid. You're really losing it you little turd.
>>23032648Easy, no.
>>23031132You are autistic to make this comment but also completely wrong. Early samurai armor (oyoroi) had its sode mounted loosely so that you could spin them to the back for archery and to the front for blocking attacks. In close combat the samurai would constantly spin left and right to use them.
>>23032767Meant to quote >>23031123
>>23032767This man bushidos.
>>23032767>Early samurai armor (oyoroi) had its sode mounted loosely so that you could spin them to the back for archery and to the front for blocking attacks. In close combat the samurai would constantly spin left and right to use them.No they didn't. That's straight up cartoonish and false. You're pathetic.
>>23033373Here's a quote for you, faggot.
>>23033640I think you're wasting your time, anon.
>>23033640You're a lying piece of shit. It says the oshisode was tied in a way that made it move to a favorable position when the user drew his bow which has nothing to do with your fucking stupid claim that "In close combat the samurai would constantly spin left and right to use them.">このように四体も紐を付けたのは、身体の動きで大袖を都合のよいところへ移動きさせるためだ。弓を引くため両腕を張れば、大袖は背中寄りにまわるし、敵の失を防ぐため前かがみになれば、大袖は脇から前寄りにまわる。つまり、大袖は手で持たない楯なのだ。You little turd you really thought you could just post some Japanese passage that didn't support your ridiculous claim in order to win an internet argument. God you're fucking pathetic. Low IQ behavior.
>>23013283That's how the Romans did it.
