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What are your pros and cons on the 33rd episode?

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>>23845649
As if Nox wasn't despicable enough, we have an entire episode where every main character but him risks their life to fight back against Sieg's attacks, while Nox does absolutely nothing, despite the fact that he has the power to help out. Even civilians with no chance at stopping Nightmares stand up against them, while Nox just broods on his own.
Worst secondary in all of Reiwa, one of the worst secondaries ever, and arguably the worst Takahashi character of all time.

>>23845786
Cons: the wig and fake beard

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>>23845786
>Con
Wig and beard
The lady not telling Nox to get off his ass and help her Daughter and letting him just sit around
>Pro
Baku using Capsems outside of the suit
Transform coming back
I liked the Baku building exdream section

So Sieg is gonna get folded like a lawn chair next week?

>>23845787
Shame how terribly he is considering they got a relatively famous actor to play him

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>>23845787
>>23845649
Apologize to this Takahashi written character.

>>23845786
>Pros
Baku's proactiveness and having to build his own belt
The cops were pretty funny
This is some of the most menacing Sieg has been yet
>Cons
Every time I feel like I'm liking Nox more he does something so retarded that makes me hate him all over again, this episode is one of those time like jfc what's his fucking problem

>>23845800
Nox might be the worst secondary ever, like somehow worse than Rinne and Daiji, but no
Gai ruined a considerable amount of Zero-One because the rest of the cast had to become retarded around him to make him work, Nox is a bad character but he doesn't actively ruin the show, Zeztz is still a pretty solid show for me

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>>23845786
>pros
It was weird, and I like it when Kamen Rider is weird. Also the Fujumi takedown. The comedy in this show keeps being out of place during serious moments, but it's legit funny so I'll give it a pass.
>cons
The entire episode building up Nem finally doing something with her powers, be it on her own or thanks to her mother's intervention, only for her to be fucking useless (again), and Baku just fixed his own death because he's "that guy". Once more, Baku is the only character who matters from his team and every other side character is just there for moral support. The show continues to have the most useless supporting cast in all of Reiwa.
I don't like the idea that he can just spend decades on his subconscious and fix his problems, only for no time at all to pass in real life. Takahashi has always made death irrelevant on his shows, but this is a whole new level of absurdity where a guy can be killed and revived in a matter of seconds because the time that takes for his brain to die gives him 20 years to fix it. Ace was a god last season, and he never did something this crazy, yet Baku is supposed to just be a super secret agent with dream powers and bullshitted his way out of death just because. It's clear he's not a "regular" person, so whatever strange origins he has explain why he can do this, but I never like it when characters can bullshit their way out of any problem. There's always some of that in every rider show, but this is one of the most outrageous examples.
It sucks because I usually like the trope of "character gets stuck for X amount of years but no time passes for other people", but usually that happens because a character is trapped in a strange world. Not because they got stabbed and their brain worked overtime to revive itself. The preview indicates that it wasn't just a dream, as Baku's agent room has all the mess he made those years, but it all happening in his brain and after his "death" removes all the fun of that trope.

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>>23845800
His redemption was still bullshit, but at least for most of the show's run, he was an antagonist. He's meant to be despicable and hateable, that is his role. The real problem with Zero-One is that they forced everyone else around him to be a complete idiot for him to get away with his crimes. That's what was really annoying, he just got the flak because he was the main reason the dumbing of characters happened.
Meanwhile, the show keeps trying to play Nox as this tragic "brooding anti-villain" who has a point and is totally complex when everything he does makes him just as evil or worse than the people he claims to fight.
>tries to exploit innocent people and his old friends' minds, including those of children, so he can turn them into living bombs that commit mass genocide
>all his actions hurt innocents more than they ever hurt CODE, refuses to give actual explanations to victims from that organization and just lets them suffer
>when given help by Baku and Nem he refuses to aid them, leaving them to suffer and die because they mean nothing to him
It's funny to me that Baku hated Zero for so long for just being complicit in his death, but is willing to work with Nox, who KILLED two people he knew, one of whom was his friend. So not only is Nox a terrible character, but he also makes Baku and Fujimi look like massive hypocrites for giving him a pass for doing exactly the same things every othe bad guy is doing. At least the Lady and Zero have familiar reasons for their crimes, while Nox is just petty vengeance.
Also, outside of preventing Baku from killing his own sister (which he ruined by saying she's not his real sister so he shouldn't care) I notice he's done nothing but fuck around and get hurt all of Q2. He's done fucking nothing so far.

>>23845649
Was the episode super low quality on YT even at 1080p or was it just me?

>>23845823
Not just you. looked really compressed for some reason

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>>23845787
>>23845819
not gonna lie
i like that nox isnt really redeemed
the only thing that's kept him from becoming a Kusaka level asshole is the fact that Seig started fucking shit up before he could really start running around vaugeposting and blowing other agents heads Smoove of

>>23845850
The problem for me is Baku, Nem and Fujimi sorta act like he’s already redeemed when he’s done nothing to earn it. They are far more amicable to him than Zero, Three and Sieg when he is just as bad as all of them. The hypocrisy is what bothers me.

>>23845853
to be fair, i think it was more that zero and three outright were lying to him, and THEN after killed him. when Baku came back he thought "hmm lets try the guy who was very upfront about code being shady"

Assuming he uses recovery on himself.... does he disappear when his real world body wakes up?

>>23845856
>"hmm lets try the guy who was very upfront about code being shady"
He just kept saying "CODE bad" during his unjustified acts of terrorism without ever bothering to explain why.

>>23845853
to be fair here:

Would NOX be assaulting kids, poisoning people, trafficking national secrets or attempting cataclysmic meteor strikes had Baku not STOPPED ZA BOMBA again? PRETTY FUCKING PROBABLY.

Has NOX done anything even remotely close to that in this timeline? Simply not.

and this is why NOX is considered a somewhat of an ally to Baku, because he hasnt and he wont do any of his crap again... not to mention Sieg is doing a bang-up job being a way worse monster whose only motivation was 'i was tortured to death by CODE and the nightmares so i will burn everything!'

and you know whats the worse part: SIEG IS GONNA BE REDEEMED TOO AND BE AN ALLY! EVEN AFTER THE CRAP HE PULLED TODAY!

the fact the Oronamin C CM featured Baku only was definitely a smart move on Toei/bamco/the japanese juices company in general because theres no way they can justify those 2 douchebags in any way.

>>23845850
Nox's getting fully redeemed by the time of the movie.

>the only thing that's kept him from becoming a Kusaka level asshole is the fact that Seig started fucking shit up before he could really start running around vaugeposting and blowing other agents heads Smoove of
This is more on Baku, who cockblocked The Lady's faction by killing Bomb before it could give birth to many of the monsters of the week and then told Nox to not do bad things before destroying his Nightmare. And for some reason Nox just decided to listen to him and even helped him out a few times even though the previous time Baku saved him Nox repaid the favor by doubling down on his villainy, but Baku acts like this dude is somehow trustworthy now.

Obviously not as funny as mpreg, but nem being the result of fpreg is still kinda funny.

>>23845874
>but Baku acts like this dude is somehow trustworthy now.

i think the idea here is that Baku trusts he has enough power to murder NOX once more if he tries to pull his shit again. Baku doesnt need to tell it out loud, and NOX being the older, more experienced guy, knows it/is well aware.

>>23845873
>and he wont do any of his crap again
What's the proof? Nox proved in the premonition that he had no qualms about fucking over those who lent him a hand for the sake of his vendetta. We're just supposed to assume he's no longer willing to go to those extremes and is not that bad of a guy now just because.

>>23845879
>i think the idea here is that Baku trusts he has enough power to murder NOX once more if he tries to pull his shit again.
Baku never threatened Nox like that and is never implied to have those kinds of thoughts. In fact, he was shown to be deeply remorseful about killing Nox in the premonition so I doubt he'll ever try to murder him again.

He just went up to Nox, told him to not hurt people again while handing him Recovery to fix the Buster, then made a deal to wake him up from his coma in exchange for info on Sieg, and proceeded to act all chummy with him. There's no uneasy alliance tension there, Baku just decided to be nice towards him.

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HOLY FUARRKING KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>it was a strike like being kicked by Lopo

Imagine spending 19 years in a dream to create your ultimate form and revive yourself from the dead.

>>23845909
Imagine spending 19 years in a dream eating, but not pooping.

>Dying is often called the eternal slumber
>Baku was literally trapped in his dream for almost 2 decades and Hyper Kabuto'd himself back in time 19 years and in the reality he was stuck in, everyone around him probably died to Nightmares.

>>23846040
I completely forgot that death is eternal rest. That is actually pretty good of them. Though I doubt it is a Hyper Kabuto thing, more likely is that dream time doesn't work like real time and the dream time can take however long that he wished. 1 second equaled those 19 years for the dream. Still, imagine actually experiencing 19 years and from your perspective that is still "real" time that you spent fixing that shit, failing, starting over, actually learning mechanical engineering and fixing this impossible device and making it better then it was before. Honestly, THIS is what Zero Two should have been, instead of it just somehow appearing from Izu.

>>23845805
>>23845909
>>23846040
The way to stick this landing is have Baku mentally aged by this whole ordeal permanently. Like physically he just seems to have popped back up in a split second but forever afterwards he is still mentally the person that spent those years in isolation building Exdream. That would be cool, imho.

>>23846047
Mentally age how? He's already a fairly mature adult and he spent all that time just trying to fix the Driver instead of having a family or setting up his own organization or whatever. I doubt he will stop acting silly or simping for Nem occasionally.

>>23846046
Izu made Zero-Two after Aruto made her run a bunch of simulations on the confrontation against Ark, in which the heroes kept dying over and over again.

>>23846047
Honestly, while I can say that I am more learned from when I was 21 compared to now being 40. I still act pretty much like I did. The only differences that are noticeable is being more friendly about doing things when asked and trying to handle situations where I would normally just try to pass things off to someone higher up. So I honestly don't know how to show 19 years of experience for him that wouldn't just come off as ham fisted. Perhaps just a better understanding of the Capsems and a little less awkwardness for his waking self. Still, most of being better in social situations is actually, well, you know, being social and living 19 years by yourself and talking to 'ghosts' isn't probably going to give you much of an increase in that regard.

>>23846064
I know, but it doesn't make sense for it to appear from her. They didn't equip her with any of the fabrication tech. It would have been fine if it appeared from the fabricator that she was also hooked up to, but instead it appears like magic. Humagears are stupid.

>>23846065
anon-senpai...

>>23845805
>MC proclaims himself to be an invincible agent
I agree the supporting cast is completely powerless, but maybe that's the point.
Maybe the ending will be Baku sholdering all the hard work unlike Geats to became a "God" and passed the hard work onto his believers

>>23845786
Like:
-Baku effortposting the whole episode, that's our HERO.
-Exdream's ENTER
-Blood, the soccer moms're gonna freak.
-Nem being cute and doing something at last.
-CHADjimi
-The callback to Minami being an agent. I thought it was going to be a one episode thing but there she was shooting like a pro.
-Sieg done right. Not as clowny, well dressed to show how powerful he is and fucking shit up for real.
-The shitty false mustache and beard.

Dislike:
-Nox not helping. What's even his point anymore, dude's a bunch of nothing, a vagueposting bot. Even Nem's mom tried to do something.

>>23845786
i hate cliffhanger and two parter so goddamn much

>>23845649
>>23845786
Really meh episode, especially for a final form debut. After all the big reveals in the previous two episodes, I wish this one had acknowledged them more instead of jumping into the new conflict of the week right away. The pacing at the beginning also felt a bit off, we immediately start in Nem's dream (which should be a bigger deal) only for Sieg to quickly come out of nowhere and hijack it as usual. The comedy bits throughout the first half were also jarring and pretty unfunny.

You know, this would've been the perfect opportunity to have victims of the week return since they were all seemingly fans of Nem, but the way they handled the reset made it so that none of those cases happened and Nem never got to meet them personally, so we're stuck with Baku as the only important fan of hers yet again.

They really did not bother to explain the reason why the Driver got busted at all, which is yet another case of the staff poorly trying to convey ideas through visuals alone instead of using the writing to clarify what they want to communicate. The visuals from last episode made it seem like the destruction of Zeztz Darkness' Driver had something to do with Baku's Driver getting damaged, but the staff implied in the production blog that it was the Over Banish finisher that made it malfunction (which honestly just makes Baku look dumb for using Impact in the fight instead of a stronger form like Catastrom/Orderm). Either way, this episode doesn't bother pointing out anything regarding that other than the fact that the Driver's damaged now. It was nice to see Baku being smart enough to attempt using Recovery to fix it though.

(1/?)

>>23846146
Speaking of the belt, we're not at a point in the story where it felt like Baku needed another power-up. Orderm was basically presented as a counter to Sieg's power to mess with dreams, and this feels like a situation it could've solved if it weren't for the fact that the Driver was conveniently damaged. So the Driver getting broken just feels like a quick excuse they came up with to justify Exdream's introduction into the story.

I'm already at the point where I groan every time we get a scene imvolving the cops. Those useless fucks really did let Nox get away and, although the Zero-One reference was kinda neat I guess, I knew Fujimi's throw was going to be useless as soon as he started doing it. Minami grabbing Nasuka's gun and shooting at the Nightmare just made those two fucks look even more incompetent. Fujimi and Nasuka are so useless that even their dream versions are nothing but obstacles for Baku to overcome.

Seeing Nem be a damsel in distress for the nth time just bored me. They keep hyping her up only for her to fall to her knees and beg Baku to rescue her again yet again. But she may or may not have had something to do with Baku's post-mortem dream, so she may or may not have been completely useless this week. Also, it was revealed that the Phantom Gore Nightmare was behind her creation, although I'm not sure if it's part of some grand scheme or if she was just following her nature as a Nightmare.

I thought Nox would be pretty prominent in this arc but he's mostly been in the sidelines, which just makes not give much of a fuck about his ongoing redemption arc nor his eventual highlight with Midnight Shadow.

(2/?)

>>23846147
Sieg is another character I don't really care about at this point. His repetitive speeches about the good guys being secretly evil on the inside are really hollow and fall flat. Dude has been sitting on his ass for like a whole month already, all his schemes get foiled really quickly, he doesn't really feel like a main arc villain at all, and it's really disappointing that this is the guy they're debuting the final form against. Apparently we're getting his backstory next episode although I don't really care much at this point, I do wish that instead of having him make edgy rants they would've gradually unveiled his backstory throughout these past few episodes instead, but no, they're just dumping it all on us in one go. At this point I'm starting to wonder how planned this character really was.

People turning into Nightmares in the real world sounds like a big deal, but the way it's executed with only 2 people being turned and those two Nightmares not doing much other than beating Baku up made this whole scenario look less dire than shit like Death Game fucking shit up in Kureha's school or Disaster causing a huge chaos in the city. It doesn't help that this shit got resolved in the same episode it was introduced.

One of the things that made this episode more boring than usual was the fact that were no proper fight scenes at all, it was just the good guys getting thrown around by the kaijin. Exdream didn't even get to fight the 2 Nightmares, they just vanished as soon as Baku got back up. Also, I really hate cliffhangers in which the episode ends right after a Rider transforms into a new form, this is even worse than the Catastrom cliffhanger because Catastrom at least got to beat Nox up a bit before the episode ended.

(3/4)

>>23846149
One of the few things I did like about this episode was seeing Baku's utter determination to save people even though his powers were failing. Him getting dragged into a convenient long dream right upon dying in order to save the day does feel a bit too convenient and bullshit-y, but the scene where he spends 20 years trying to repair and upgrade the Driver was really neat even if the wigs and make-up they put on his actor looked kinda shoddy, and I like that the Capsem dupe merging mechanic actually amounted to something within the story. The Lady's desperation and Minami's despair this week were also pretty well-acted.

That being said, this episode highlighted a very big flaw this show has, which is that only Baku is allowed to be competent.

Also, the fact that Jay clearly wasn't present for the short scene with Zero makes me worried that they're gonna bench the character for a long while again. I really hope that's not the case because Zero is one of the very few characters in this show that I actually like and the cast felt even more lacking when he went missing.

(4/4)

>>23846146
>how the driver got busted
Did you not see darkness nightmare kick the belt during their final confrontation last episode?

>>23846130
>CHADjimi
He wasn't a chad, he was a fucking joke, like always.

>>23846157
okay

>>23846156
>Did you not see darkness nightmare kick the belt during their final confrontation last episode?
He didn't kick the belt, his foot didn't even touch Baku's body, he just sent a huge energy wave that Baku tanked or blocked with his whole body before he kicked Darkness' belt. And that's not what the staff themselves claim is what broke Baku's belt, they say that it was the forbidden dangerous finisher that he pulled off to beat Darkness.

It not being clear in the episode itself is why they should've clarified it in this one.

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>>23845786
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maybe Nox should just become a full on gag character at this point, make him contantly vaguepost and then get nervous when he sees other people take action, he literally did it this episode, but they need to make it more obvious he's a joke

>>23845873
>Has NOX done anything even remotely close to that in this timeline? Simply not.
In this timeline Zero and Three didn’t try to kill him either and he still mistrusts them, so why not Nox? Nox and Lady still planned to use Nightmares to exploit people, and Sieg being a bigger bastard shouldn’t change that. If Baku hates CODE because of what they are capable of doing, he should apply the same to Nox, but just doesn’t. It’s a massive hypocrisy when fighting Nightmares is his main priority, and both Nox and Lady are as much responsible for them being around as Sieg is. Keep it consistent or don’t bother.

>>23846111
In Geats at least they pretended the other characters mattered by doing some minor shit, like Michinaga, Keiwa and Neon having their own little arcs and some ex DGP players coming here and there to do something. And in there Ace was also the “invincible hero”, so I don’t buy that excuse. Zeztz is like if there was Ace and every other side character was Keiwa’s sister.

>>23846268
I mean, I don't think it's a problem as long as Baku actually is getting focus, and you don't have the side-characters eating tons of screentime just to do nothing with it.

Even when Baku's sister seemingly got a two parter, it clearly was about the impact the reveal o fhe backstory had on Baku and him getting over it.

>>23846277
It helps Baku and hurts the others. And if Baku is still meant to save them every episode, I think I should also give a shit about those useless fucks instead of wondering why they're here.

>>23846302
I mean, Baku needs people to interact with and react to. How would the show even work without any side characters at all?

>>23846311
Then make those side characters relevant, not just talking heads. Previous shows did it fine.

This episode was fucking kino

>watch episode
>think it's amazing
>come to 4chin
>nothing but hate
oh okay. also didn't nix just go help the lady instead? he's allied with her and she didn't tell him to go help in the dream or irl so he just went and helped his closest aide. this thread is so weird.
>>23846404
>>23846226
agree

>>23845797
dawn chair*

>>23846491
>rocket dawn chair

>>23846226
You cursed this show.

>>23846407
>>nothing but hate
It's pretty half/half there's a lot of people that liked this episode here and on the general
Unless you're talking about Nox because we all hate Nox here

>>23846407
The nightmares weren't entering the facility and Lady went outside to help Nem, if Nox had gone to the dream he could have very easily prevented but he didn't which is fucking retarded, unless they state that Sieg did something that prevented Nox from entering there's really no excuse, and it would be weird that he suddenly cannot when he was able to enter Minami's dream and he knows where Nem physically is in the real world

>>23846277
This kind of shit doesn't work on a show with a running plot and a recurring cast that has to get scenes every single episode.

I don't know how anyone would be okay with a Rider show where there's only one character with decent development and focus, and that character is the one that has to be focused on by default because he's the MC.

>>23845787
>one of the worst secondaries ever
At least this part is true.

>>23846268
Geats literally had no character at all, not shit they had to pull the side characters to make the show interesting after most of the mysteries had been revealed.
I agree with this anon >>23846311 this is Baku's story, he is an interesting character with a bunch of drama revolving around him and we are following him as he finds most of those out himself and reacts to these life shathering realizations.
This episode was very cool because it shows how much resolve baku has, where he can stay two decades inside his own mind alone in order to revive his driver. This is not something that comes only from all the sleeper agent trainning he got when he was younger.

>>23846563
nta but being entertaining? Fujimi, Minami and Nasuka go through short arcs that are emotionally engaging and they are pretty consistently funny
Meanwhile by comparison I find the sodecast of Wizard to be extremely forgettable because they were never entertaining even if they were more engaged with the cases of the week, it's just a matter of making the characters be genuinely likeable which this show achieves
It's the same deal with shows like Zenkaiger, the four rangers of the show feel like sidekicks but because they're likable you don't hate them nor does their lack of focus ruin the show, one just feels disappointed that they don't get to do more, and that's how I feel with Zeztz, I'm disappointed that they don't get more focus but it doesn't ruin the show for me and so far it's a really solid show, if keeps up with this level of quality it might end up being my second favorite Reiwa show beating Saber

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>>23846574
>nta but being entertaining? Fujimi, Minami and Nasuka go through short arcs that are emotionally engaging and they are pretty consistently funny
Your standards are pretty fucking low. The only character out of those three with an emotionally engaging arc is Minami, and even her gags aren't that funny. The cops on the other hand are legitimately bottom tier post-Showa side characters, the helpers from Wizard were slightly funnier (as in, they didn't repeat the same gag over and over again until it became obnoxious) and more useful than them on top of having more chemistry with the MC, and the Kikainoids from Zenkaiger were far FAR more charismatic, funny and focused on than they are.

But this isn't just a problem in Zeztz's hero cast, even the fucking villains feel sidelined. We obviously had Nox who was a detached mystery nigga that barely interacted with anyone for the entire first half of the show and his current iteration isn't much better in that regard. CODE and The Lady's faction can do nothing but sit around while Sieg steals the spotlight away from them, and Sieg himself prefers to sit things out as well while the monsters of the week do the job for him. There's five other guys who can transform besides Baku and they all barely do so.

>>23846592
>Your standards are pretty fucking low
Why is this the reply for anyone that slightly praises Zeztz or Gozyuger? I see people be understanding when the occasional anon praises Ghost or Ninninger but with those two shows people act like you SHOULD hate them.

>>23846599
>Gozyuger
Serious on that one?

>>23846599
I say that not because he's praising Zeztz, but because he's praising fucking Fujimi and Nasuka. You can't dismiss my post as a shitpost either, because I elaborated on my arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlxjlQmBIu4
Episode 33.

>>23846602
I'm serious at least, I've seen only one other anon praise it and he gets the same treatment. The show isn't top-tier by any means as a lot of it is rushed and only Hoeru and Rikuo get proper focus but I enjoyed the show more than Geats.

>>23846603
I'm not dismissing it as a shitpost I get your point, I always said "I" when I mentioned I found the cops funnier than Wizard's side cast, nor did I imply Zenkaiger was worse, I was just trying to explain why people would like Zeztz's cast in spite of the sidelining. As for the villains I don't mind them as much aside from Nox because of the way the story is paced, but a lot of my enjoyment for them will depend on how the show ends since they can very easily fuck up CODE, Lady and the Nightmares.

>>23845850
>xitter filename and resize
Wait a fucking second that's my edit, how did it end up on xitter?

>>23846407
Nox blocked A SINGLE SHOT that the Lady could have avoided. That's all he did in the episode. He didn't do anything to stop the Nightmares or anything else from happening, he just stood and watched everything happen without a care of his world. He is not helping the Lady with Nem in any way, he's just standing there.

>>23846611
>nor did I imply Zenkaiger was worse
That's not what I meant, I disagree with the idea that the Kikainoids are comparable to Fujimi and Nasuka, because the former are actually likeable, useful and actually receive several focus episodes.

>>23846618
Oh my bad then. Yeah the Zenkaiger cast is far more charismatic and funnier, helps that Komura is good at comedy, I don't know why Wizard and LuPat's comedy didn't click with me compared to her other shows but I just ended hating Rinko, Koyomi, Shunpei and the ring maker by the end of Wizard, only the two main Riders really clicked for me by the end of the show.
Unrelated but I just hope Zeztz doesn't scare future producers from making a solo Rider story since I feel that the main issue the cast is sidelined is due to the premise inherently limiting the cast rather than the solo Rider dynamic.

>>23846616
how else?
a bunch of fags here post there
they yoinked it for some easy likes

>>23846617
>He didn't do anything
He vagueposted to The Lady before she entered the dream garden, he did his job

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>does nothing
>mindbroke this sissy general
KNEEL

>>23846661
Ironic Noxfags are as shitty as the unironic ones.

>>23846661
It's more telling of the quality of this show that one of its biggest episodes yet is so uninteresting to the audience that they'd rather talk about a character who didn't do anything.

>>23846673
But people aren't just discussing Nox?

>>23846661
He really did. I don't mind him not actively trying to go into Nem's dream or helping people in reality. Like, does he even have to? Why do people want him to do this I don't get it? He can stay with The Lady. Why does he suddenly have to act like a 180 of his usual personality and act like a hero of justice?
Anons are so mad that he's not moving according to their wishes so they call it bad writing and character.

>>23846699
for a guy who constantly complain about how bad Code is, he really isn't up to take on the role of a Defensive Establishment himself.
Nox feels like whiny cunt who only cares about revenge over actually helping people

>anons complaining that Baku is on the floor one frame, disappears shortly after, and finally he is kneeling and rising back up as exdream gets clearer and more vivid
(you) really think that's awkward transitioning? and not him being too fast or using hacks on the 2 nightmare consumed people? is this thread fucking stupid?

>>23846699
He is a bad, poorly written character. Not because he's not acting like a hero, but because he's boring as hell and genuinely doesn't know what he's doing.

>>23846570
>This is not something that comes only from all the sleeper agent trainning he got when he was younger.
Yeah, we already knew he was a good guy when we learned all the other Agents were morally dubious people.

>>23846708
Who and what the fuck are you talking about? Did you get this mixed up with your Reddit tab or are you both retarded and schizophrenic?

>>23846611
>but I enjoyed the show more than Geats
>Gozyuger
holy shit taste

>>23846708
/krg/ is full of retards complaining about everything. Anyone with half a brain can take a look at the frames and realize "Baku" at the back of the Nightmares disappeared from the frame because his transformation happened in nanoseconds all in the dreamworld. Offscreen, he saved the dreamers in the dreamworld and annihilated the nightmares (everything happening in a span of a single heartbeat). He then appeared some steps behind the TRio kneeling in his ultimate form, implying he dream-rider kicked the shit out of the nightmares.

>>23846714
whoops meant for main thread. believe it or not some anons did say that

>>23846717
Fucking where?

>>23846715
>liking Geats at all
shit SEAnigger taste

>>23846563
Like I said, as long as the show is actually focusing on the MC, and that focus is well done, I don't think it's an issue.

It'd be a problem if the show did spend a lot of time on the secondary cast but they were still just as passive though.

Like we just had this awesome episode, which I think really justifies all the focus Baku is getting and how this really works well in a running narrative. If anything, the show was weaker when it tried to do episodic cases. Solo Rider focus works -better- with running narrative, not the other way around.

>>23846715
>>23846742
No one in Gozyuger got character assassinated as badly as Keiwa and Neon, also don't samefag
Either way it's better to continue a conversation like that in either general rather than here

>>23846746
>>23846715
Actually scratch that no one from the main cast got character assassinated as badly as those two, if you count side cast then there's Tsutsumi
Regardless continue the argument either here
>>23845953 or >>23844627

>>23846745
You really need to watch Kuuga so you can learn that doing a lone hero narrative doesn't need to come at the expense of every character that isn't the protagonist. If they really have to make every other character useless or uninteresting just to make the MC stand out, it's because it's not being written well.

One character can't make up the whole story by himself, the plot is born from the interactions between the different characters, their actions and their developments. What does it say about this show when there's only one character in the whole cast that does well in those three aspects?

This episode wasn't awesome, it's just another instance of Baku saving the day by himself because no one else can or is even allowed to. It's a final form debut but it doesn't feel like the conclusion to an arc that's been built up for a while, it just feels like another weekly case where Baku is forced to save the day yet again.

>>23846745
>>23846763
The way I see it is that yeah, sidelining the rest of the cast is legitimately bad writing but doesn't come off at the expense of the show's entertainment value due to how much else it does right, but naturally it's perfectly normal to want to drop the show precisely because of said bad writing
It's basically the same as last year, the Stomachs are objectively poorly written yet Gavv manages to be fun in spite of it but if someone dropped Gavv and hates the show with a passion precisely because of them it makes perfect sense since it's bad writing

If I had to compare it to an old season, then I guess 555 and Kabuto with how both are really beloved overall but naturally a considerable portion hates those shows because of the misunderstandings in the former and the nonsense in the latter?

>>23846555
Then why are you here

>>23846802
To inform you that you've cursed this show with that cursed meme.

>>23846763
you not liking it =/= bad. it's different. clearly it's interesting enough and zeztz went from okay to beloved since part 2. imo the episode was awesome, you are free to feel angry and never happy. are you also the anon who seethed over gavv last year? you sound jaded and unable to enjoy anything, time to take a step back unc.

>>23846763
So like, who is supposed to save the day? Please I want to hear it from (you). Go ahead, is Nox supposed to now be a goodie two shoes? Is code supposed to care when they are in their own turmoil replacing zero and activating code somnia that we don't know about? Code and what agent? Hospitalized 6, arm broken 5, freaky 3, jailed 0? Is the tertiary Dawn supposed to be nice when his heel turn hasn't yet and may never happen? Are the civilians supposed to fight monsters? Given the setting, what the fuck you want to happen? Do you just want to rewrite all of zeztz?

>>23846847
>zeztz went from okay to beloved since part 2
It's not like the characters besides Baku weren't being sidelined hard in the first half already, so clearly that's not one of the show's pros and even people who praise it acknowledge this as an issue.

>you are free to feel angry and never happy. are you also the anon who seethed over gavv last year? you sound jaded and unable to enjoy anything
You sound more mad at your boogeymen and me than I am at this show. It's not an issue that completely ruins the show, but it's still a pretty major flaw regardless.

>time to take a step back unc
Talking like a childish zoomer just makes you and your whole post look worse. Nevermind the other non-arguments you just threw around.

>>23846898
popularity won. the majority won over your singular minority. learn to appreciate again or drop it idc

>>23846146
>>23846147
>>23846149
>>23846154
just drop the show dumb bitch. le convenience belt just broke conveniently he just goes into eternal rest conveniently. anything you dislike is just random convenience. you just don't like zeztz, drop it. it's not even criticism at this point it's just whining that it's not your kind of story. none of these are plot holes or faults of the show.

>>23846874
The problem isn't that it's Baku who's saving the day, the problem is that the show insists he always has to save the day almost entirely through his own efforts, and to accomplish that they have to make the other heroes incompetent and useless even in ways in which side characters are typically useful. So getting yet another episode where Baku has to save the day on his own because everyone else is incompetent and powerless is nothing noteworthy, it's the usual for this show. You know what would actually be noteworthy? Seeing Fujimi and Nasuka actually accomplish something and bail Baku out during some pinch with their particular set of skills or even their close ties to other major characters.

>Do you just want to rewrite all of zeztz
No, but the fact that it cornered itself into this situation and just keeps insisting on not doing anything noteworthy with the side characters is a sign of bad writing.

>>23846901
>>23846908
You sound very angry and unhappy, maybe it's time to take a step back.

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>>23846908
Bad shows always win.

>>23846915
No say it, who has to save the day if not him? His side cast is mostly his emotional support. The only ones who can do anything are pushing their own agendas. Three, the lady, nox, dawn. So you want the two cops to drag his body or something? He shielded them and didn't let them come out. You wanted them to use his capsems? They probably can't handle it. You wanted them to beat the monsters? Now you're dreaming. Honestly you sound nitpicky.

>>23846908
I said that I actually liked the scene where Baku spends 20 years fixing his Driver up despite having some grievances with the stuff surrounding it. I don't give this show that much of a pass when it comes to overly convenient deus ex machinas because the writing in Takahashi's shows is often more meticulous than that. And it's not like I despise this show, my reviews of the past 4 or so episodes were actually fairly positive. I'm going to watch this show in its entirety because I want to give it a fair assessment, no matter how mad my negative remarks might make you.

>>23846699
The Lady’s interests are on protecting Nem, as she acted in this episode. Nox didn’t do anything to help her outside of blocking one useless attack, so he’s not even acting on their best interest. He could have easily killed the Nightmares with the power he has but chose not to. Protecting Nem is in his selfish interest and he couldn’t even be bothered to save her now.
Not to mention his vendetta against CODE is for abandoning him and leaving him to die, which is what he just did to Baku, Fujimi and Nem, the only people who were willing to help him. He is exactly as bas as CODE now yet the narrative does not realize this

>>23846926
>No say it, who has to save the day if not him?
You're missing the forest for the trees.

>His side cast is mostly his emotional support
Mostly just Minami. He barely has a relationship with Nasuka and Fujimi, which wouldn't be that much of a problem if they weren't also largely useless when it comes to investigating shit despite being literal detectives because the show made it so that they can't get involved in dream shenanigans at all despite those being the parts where the more important reveals happen. And Nem has supported Baku a few times, but Baku's usually her emotional support rather than the other way around, on top of not being able to use her powers to do shit.

>So you want the two cops to drag his body or something? He shielded them and didn't let them come out. You wanted them to use his capsems? They probably can't handle it. You wanted them to beat the monsters? Now you're dreaming.
I'm talking about a general issue this show has, this episode just accentuates it because it's yet another case of Baku having to carry everyone else on his back. You talk about all those moments as if they weren't scenarios that the writer came up with, and instead was forced to write them because apparently it's almost completely impossible to come up with scenarios where characters without powers are useful and help the MC out instead of the other way around, even though many other shows have done it before.

>>23846953
The cops are some of the first people Baku goes to after waking up from the premonition. Yeah they are worthless as are most people who can't enter dreams in this series but they are people Baku thinks he can rely on. He brought them to his closet to reveal everything, after all.
Ido not see the issue with this at all. That he had to be the one to save everyone. Why is this an issue? Nitpicking.

>>23846993
>Yeah they are worthless
This is precisely the fucking problem, anon. Baku might think he can rely on them but this is not remotely true in practice, and that's a problem because the show wants to make it seem like they're useful but doesn't actually bother to make them useful.