>>41021476
She's the tallest.

That is actually very queenlike.

>>41021476
She's a video game boss that hides behind thousands of soldiers.

>>41021476
You think kings and queens fight their own wars? It's not about their personal ability. It's about their skill in finding the right people to do the job. Everything was great until she handed over rule to Twilight

>>41021476
>has to rely on
You have it the wrong way around. Without Celestia everyone would just be chickens running around with their heads cut off.

>>41021526
>Everything was great until she handed over rule to Twilight
Kinda reminds me how companies so often go to absolute shit as soon as parents who own and maybe even created the company hand it over to their descendants

>>41021476
It was all just an act.

>>41021526
>You think kings and queens fight their own wars?
They used to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Monarchs_killed_in_action

>>41021476
She beat discord and somehow nobody has managed to remove her since then.
The real question is, how hasn't she been removed by someone stronger?

>>41021476
Fucking jobberlestia

>>41021613
>how hasn't she been removed by someone stronger?
Twilight isn't Celestia's first personal student.

>>41021613
>The real question is, how hasn't she been removed by someone stronger?
She was. Her name was Nightmare Moon.

>>41021568
Man I've watched companies that I was extremely loyal to go to shit or just downright fold after being handed down after the founder passed.

>>41021618
Lasted 5 seconds
nobody even knew until after the fact
nightmare mooon never managed to take the country from her.

She also had the elements for that, which means we can change the question to "How hasn't she been removed by someone stronger than she is without the elements which is how strong she was at the wedding?"

>>41021617
So the real purpose of the school for gifted unicorns is to create a line of throne-defenders? How did she avoid getting overthrown by those unicorns?

>>41021613
>>41021638
The real answer is that that someone doesn't exist. If there really were anyone capable of overthrowing her then it would've long since happened.

>>41021650
I mean you're basically saying that nobody as powerful as tirek discord or chrysalis entered equestria in 1000 years.

Assuming that wasn't just by chance, is there any reason that might not happen?

>>41021638
>How did she avoid getting overthrown by those unicorns?
According to EQG, another throne defender

>>41021656
>you're basically saying that nobody as powerful as tirek discord or chrysalis entered equestria in 1000 years.
No, I'm saying that people that powerful don't exist. Tirek and Discord are already accounted for for the 1000 years, like Nightmare Moon. But outside of that there just isn't anyone, else it would've already happened.

>>41021659
So her ability to handle sub-apocalyptic threats and continue to rule is based on her ability to propagandize selected foals with a greater than 50% success rate, weighted based on each foal's power level?

Doesn't that mean that lyra and sunburst are both national assets who have been taught to support the state if the need should ever arise?

Why is lyra in ponyville?

Why is sunburst in the crystal empire?

Who were the other gifted unicorns, again? What are they doing with their life and why?

>>41021613
She didn't do shit except hold the key to a magic nuke, once the EoH stopped working for her it was jobbing from then on

>>41021749
>she didn't do shit except rule Equestria for a thousand years
Yeah, real damning evidence against her that sure is.

>>41021761
>Nuke japan
>Japan isn't a threat to you for 100 years
It's the same thing, retard

>>41021768
What? Anon, are you alright? Have you suffered brain trauma?

>>41021768
IT would be more like
>nuke Japan
>spend 5$ on military annually
>nobody in for from any country is a threat to you for 100 years

>>41021476
Because Suelight Sparkle can't be upstaged

>>41021794
>she wasn't the one who saved the day
>no one even apologized to her for completely dismissing her entirely justified concerns
You're a dumb nigger.

>>41021777
Waste of fucking trips. EoH are deterrents just like nukes, the villains are just other stand in for rival powers challenging the global rule until they get nuked.

>>41021476
don't worry, she turns into daybreaker and shits out the entire existence.

>>41021810
Celestia lost the ability to use the Elements of Harmony after she banished Nightmare Moon.

>>41021810
Strong contender for most retarded post of 2024.

>>41021823
projection

>>41021815
Which is why she became a useless prop

>>41021837
>villains and eoh are basically just geopolitical rivals and nukes

>>41021839
1000 years.
She ruled Equestria for 1000 years, during which it was prosperous, stable, and didn't stagnate.

>>41021842
Irrelevant, the EoH did it all. Everything in the show that follows is like handing off the nuclear codes to the successor. No stoning Discord without the elements, there goes 1000 years. No banishment to the moon, there goes 1000 years. The EOH are just a bailout for a shitty weakling

>>41021853
There were no "nukes" for 1000 years.
Deterrents don't work when you don't have them and nobody remembers what they are anymore.

Celestia is the ultimate boomer failure, didn't actually take care of the problem just delayed it to the next successor.

>>41021868
She kicked the can far down the road, that's it. You can stop simping anytime.

>>41021853
>how did Equestria manage to innovate?
>well it was the Elements of Harmony, obviously!
>how did Equestria have a functioning society?
>well it was the Elements of Harmony, obviously!
>how does the government of Equestria function?
>well it was the Elements of Harmony, obviously!

>>41021883
You're legitimately too retarded to even understand the argument.

>>41021883
How does that explain how she kept Equestria safe for 1000 years without the EoH?

>>41021893
>>41021890
>How does setting a bomb to snooze for 1000 years on a bomb keep anyone safe?
Sunsimps are room temperature IQ.

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I can't even begin to comprehend why her existence causes manchildren to fly into fits of autistic rage.

>>41021902
>Didn't solve the Luna problem once and for all "She's returned"
>Didn't solve the Sombra problem once and for all "He's returned"
>Didn't solve the Discord problem once and for all, "He's returned"
>Didn't solve the Tirek problem once and for all "He's returned"
A manchild will defend this

>>41021901
You have a bomb. You delay its detonation to 1000 from now. A man then runs into the room and shoots you to death. You delaying the bomb did not make you invincible.
Your 'argument' would only work if Nightmare Moon was the only threat in existence. But she isn't. There are other threats in the world. How did Equestria manage to not be destroyed by those threats when they didn't have the EoH for 1000 years?

>>41021910
>"Uh no, you're the manchild!"
You got called out and now you're throwing an even bigger tantrum.
Also, by your standards you should hate every character. Do you?

>>41021911
Real threats aren't that common in Equestria more than half of villains are just repeats Celestia already knows and didn't finish them off since she's such a weakling and the elements only buy time with temporary peace giving time-outs

>>41021925
>Real threats aren't that common in Equestria
No, not "aren't that common" it's "they don't exist at all for 1000 years." That is what you are saying. That Equestria didn't face a single major threat for 1000 years, not once ever in the entire time between Nightmare Moon's banishment and her return did Equestria ever encounter any serious threat. If it had then Equestria would've lost and it wouldn't exist by the time of Nightmare Moon's return.

>>41021910
Twilight undid Equestria in just a few years. What a great problem solver.

>>41021934
>Only delayed the bomb on Luna, Sombra, Discord, Tirek, Sunset
>Caused Luna by failing as a sister
>Caused Sunset by failing as a teacher
>Caused Starlight by failing to be worthy
Almost every single one of Equestria's villains you saw are the result of her doing a shit job, passing the problem off to the next sucker to the throne.

>>41021940
>completely dodging the point
You evade because you know that what you're saying is ridiculous, but you're driven entirely by your hatred of Celestia.
What you are saying is that Equestria didn't face any threats for 1000 years.

>>41021942
>Muh mommy is a good leader wahh my 1000 year in the crib proves it
God sunfags are pathetic. With her absolute shit record I wouldn't be surprised if she caused Sombra as well.

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>>41021940
>Caused Starlight by failing to be worthy
nigger what?

>>41021948
You believe that Equestria encountered zero threats for 1000 years.
You have zero argument.

>>41021796
>>no one even apologized to her for completely dismissing her entirely justified concerns
You do know that was to make her look better, by making everyone look worse?

>>41021964
The problem is that it wasn't portrayed that way. The show doesn't paint them as having done something stupid or bad or anything like that. It glosses over the issue entirely.

>>41021959
You are literally retarded, her entire strat was "not my problem" when she couldn't do better. Discord was stoned because of the elements, Sombra was sealed because of the elements, Luna was banished because of the elements. She knew about Changleings as well and just did jack shit about Chrysalis, before and after getting mopped.

>>41021883
What can did she kick?
How far?
By doing what?

>kick the can
>to avoid or delay dealing with a problem
How did she avoid dealing with what problem?

>>41021984
>A man points a gun at the queen's head
>The queen says "not my problem"
"Bang"
>lol, loled the queen
>And so her reign continued

>>41021984
>her entire strat was "not my problem" when she couldn't do better.
So she just did this to every major threat that showed up during the past 1000 years? And it still worked? Even without the EoH?

>>41021996
>Leader knows terrorist psycho running around
>Eh I'll just wait for someone else to handle it instead of making it safer for the citizens.
>OH NO, a terrorist attack!
>pikachu.face
>Well, we could track them down but that would take effort, better wait it out.
>OH NO, a terrorist attack, and it's the same one!?
>pikachu.face

>>41022012
Non-sequitur.

>>41022012
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>41022012
Those aren't attacks on the crown.

Even then, how many superpowered terrorist attacks do you need to weaken a country enough for a neighbor to just take over?

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>>41022017
>Celestia knows chrysalis and changelings exists,
>S2 - It becomes a big enough problem cadance is captured
>She useless without the elements and cant give bugbutt a timeout
>Cadance and Shining step in
>Celestia pats everyone on the back and goes back to doing nothing
>S5+ ALL of the princesses are later attacked because she did nothing.
>Starlight discord and trixie have to step in
>She pats everyone on the back and goes back to doing nothing
>S8 - Thanks to Celestia doing nothing again, Chrysalis makes the mean 6
>They are deus ex machina'd by the tree / elements since Celestia is useless against any threat without the elements
>Wew that was close, almost had to pat everyone on the back and do nothing again

>>41022044
You've given your non-sequitur more detail.

>>41022050
I accept your concession

>>41022044
Nobody disagrees that that happened.
It just has nothing to do with anything.

>>41022051
You're only showing everyone else how stupid you are when you can't follow basic causal relationships or think about hypotheticals and then worst of all pat yourself on the back for it.

>>41022059
I think closing your eyes and going LALALALALALA on show canon count as concession.

>>41022027
You're moving the goalposts from peace to threats on the crown, Cadance is a princess, it's just one step away from going after Celestia or Luna. and by this tard logic as long as Celestia herself is safe then it's all good while she loses control in a rapidly destabilizing world which she has failed to do anything without the elements to prop her up

>>41022066
See? Now you're just completely making things up. And there's still the fact that you believe Equestria faced zero threats for 1000 years.

>>41022059
It isn't even about hypotheticals.

Question: What prevented celestia from getting dethroned for 1000 years when high-level threats came along?
Answer: Celestia doesn't do anything in the show when other people get hurt.

The answer just has nothing to do with the question. The issue is anon failing to pay enough attention to keep on topic because he's too excited.

>>41022067
Nobody is talking about peace. Nobody is talking about a rapidly destabilized world. The question is, for the billionth time, how did she stay in charge?

As asked in the op: "why is she the boss?"

>>41022069
Even if thats true which you have no proof of there's absolutely nothing to give her credit for the hypothetical 'millennia of peace' it's an extremely common trope in good vs evil that powers will balance eachother out you simp nigger. The good elements were stone and inactive at roughly the same time evil was put on ice

>>41022078
See, now THAT'S almost an answer.

Equestria had a stable status-quo with celestia at the top for 1000 years because the elements of harmony were disabled, which also caused evil to be disabled. She was able to stay in charge because of her neutrality, because the universe was unable to raise evil against her bland rule for metaphysical reasons.

This isn't supported by the show, I don't think, but it's something, at least.

>>41022078
>Even if thats true which you have no proof of
It is what your position believes. You believe that Celestia is incompetent and incapable of dealing with threats herself. Therefore, if Equestria had ever faced a threat then she wouldn't be able to deal with it. If she weren't able to deal with it then it would result in that threat being victorious over Equestria. If it had been victorious over Equestria then there would be no Equestria for the show to be set in. Therefore, under your belief that Celestia is incompetent and incapable, Equestria must not have faced any threats for 1000 years.
>The good elements were stone and inactive at roughly the same time evil was put on ice
So your answer is that Celestia caused a 1000 year golden age in history where there was no major evil.

>>41022087
Accidentally causing a 'golden age' by pushing everything severe to the next generation is nothing to praise, the show doesn't give any evidence of the prosperity being a neat 1000 years of peace fanon tripe, there's always staggered threats like Scorpan and Tirek well before Luna

>>41022103
This is all centered around the thousand years where there were no elements of harmony. That is, the time after Nightmare Moon was banished up until she returned.
Either there were no threats during that time or there were threats during that time. If there were threats during that time and Celestia is incompetent and incapable like you say she is, then Equestria would have fallen to those threats. So, there are only two options: Equestria faced zero threats for 1000 years, or Celestia is not incompetent or incapable. It must be one of those. So which is it?

>>41022120
Tirek was sealed, not killed before losing the elements.
Discord was stoned, not killed before losing the elements
Sombra was sealed, not exorcised before losing the elements
Luna was banished not saved, which caused her to lose the elements.
That's 4 magic super powers taken off the board for this 'era of peace', which all of the threats returned thanks to her useless ass. She was given ample time to sit around and wait for the elements to find new vessels and the only one she had a role in somewhat cultivating for this duty was Twilight while just trusting the plan like some Qtard.

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>>41021476
Because the show writers are retarded and hold Celestia back. They don't realize that she could turn the sun itself into a Pac-Man head, have it come down to the planet surface and literally eat her opponents.

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>>41022069
>I reply to his post, make me the victor
Pure retardation.

>>41022150
Celestia knows where the most magically dense Pegasus in the world lives and set the summer sun celebration of luna's prophosised return in that same town. Celestia selected the 5 ponies in charge of 5 aspects of that celebration, gave her magical student the job of interacting with each of them, and then told her to make friends while also forcing her to talk to them.

The weather team is, without a doubt, a government organization with some of the strictest regulation in equestria. It's probably still fairly light regulation. When rainbow preformed the rainboom and crashed into ponyville as a filly, it's implied she stayed in ponyville and didn't finish flight school. She was potentially given a job with the weather team as a filly, even without a relevant cutiemark, which smells like princess meddling.

The apple family was directly gifted land in ponyville. It's posable that this is why celestia wanted to keep rainbow in ponyville specifically.

Pinkie is not obviously special in a way that should catch celestia's eye or which would have been known by the public. She does have weird magic. There nothing hinting at the cakes taking pinkie in due to princess intervention.

Almost nothing is known about rarity's family and there is no indication that she ever did anything strange other than finding a whole bunch of gems as a filly.

Fluttershy's cabin thing seems like it would involve government subsidy as she's basically a forest caretaker..

In summary, celestia had some degree of a hand in rainbow and AJ existing in ponyville at all. Fluttershy, AJ, and Rainbow all kind of got their wealth from the crown. The 5 ponies twilight interacted with on the most important night in history were specifically chosen by celestia, as was the location of the celebration.

And lastly, celestia's got unconfirmed fantasy magic and access to the aether (magic tv room).

>>41022312
>Celestia selected the 5 ponies in charge of 5 aspects of that celebration
No it's not. Mayor Mare did.

>>41022342
https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Transcripts/Friendship_is_Magic,_part_1
ctrl+f "mayor"
5 results and none of them say the mayor did.. anything at all actually other than flap her lips


>Spike: Summer Sun Celebration official overseer's checklist. Number one, banquet preparations: Sweet Apple Acres.
At this point in the episode, spike has not received any paperwork from any pony in ponyville, only from celestia.

I'm not seeing anything indicating that the mayor chose the ponies. Even if I did, I would still expect celestia would have to sign off on the mayor's chosen candidates. Even if she didn't, celestia still specifically sent twilight a list of the names of those exact 5 ponies, ordered her to talk to them, and told her to make friends.

>>41022373
Occams razor. It's a town activity, the mayor handles who is assigned to it, not the princess. It's out of character for Celestia to tell who will do what, it's just cope that crown overrules local gov so obv crown made the decision like a master chess player

>>41022383
>It's a town activity
It is a federal celebration which occurs at different locations every year and requires the crown's officiation. This isn't winter wrap up. It's not just the mayor's business which the princess is invited to join.

>>41022383
and again, even if you are right, celestia still sent twilight a list of those 5 mares, ordered her to talk to them, and told her to make friends.

>>41022400
>celestia still sent twilight a list of those 5 mares
That's wrong. The five ponies had to introduce themselves.

>>41022400
>Mayor gets notified they will be the year's location for the celebration
>Townponies are excited to do a good job, they picks the ponies who would do the best.
>Either by vote or direct assignments
>Mayor sends letter to Celestia for her picks
>Spike receives assigned roles and makes them into a list for Twilight
It's like you tards don't know about instant scribe messages DYEWTS

>>41022452
That is already a thing which I also suggested could have happened.
"I would still expect celestia would have to sign off on the mayor's chosen candidates."

The fact that the messages are instant doesn't help either of our arguments. It would be the same if the letters were slow.

>>41022429
Oh?

>Applejack: Well, howdy-doo, Miss Twilight, a pleasure makin' your acquaintance. I'm Applejack. We here at Sweet Apple Acres sure do like makin' new friends!
>Twilight Sparkle: -snip-
>Applejack: -snip-
>Spike: -snip-
>Twilight Sparkle: [clears throat] -snip-. And you're in charge of the food?

She did have to confirm that applejack was the right person, but it's the apple family itself which celestia placed here.

>Spike: Hmm, there's supposed to be a Pegasus pony named Rainbow Dash clearing the clouds.
Spike specifically had rainbow's name.

>Twilight Sparkle: Oh, you mean my mane? Well, it's a long story. I'm just here to check on the decorations, and then I'll be out of your hair!
At this point, rarity had spoken her name in the third person, but all we can confirm is that twilight was willing to assume this was the pony she wanted to talk to without actually asking.

>I'm Twilight Sparkle. [pause] What's your name?
>Fluttershy: [very quietly] Um... I'm Fluttershy.
She knew where fluttershy would be and what she would be doing, but not her name.

>pinkie pie
As far as I can tell, she actually is NOT in charge of any part of the celebration.

So, the one pony twilight specifically got the name of is the most magically powerful of her 5 future friends with the most government intervention. Twilight did not get the name of a specific apple, but was directed at this particular family which celestia has favored before. Pinkie, who had done nothing notable in her life, was not part of the list of ponies twilight was ordered to meet. Rarity, who obtained vast amounts of magical gems for a school play and who preforms far above-average feats of strength and telekinesis, was on the list as a specific individual but unnamed. Fluttershy, who is Rainbow's friend and local and government dependent and is implied to have "the stare", is on the list.

>in summary
Rainbow did not have to introduce herself. Twilight had information on each pony directly proportional to how notable that pony has been so far from celestia's perspective. Pinkie was a total chance encounter, unless we start including magic.

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>>41021476
you just described every leadership position ever

>>41022499
>She did have to confirm that applejack was the right person, but it's [head canon]
done

>>41022564
that's from the show
celestia gave them that land
what do you want

>>41022499
>Fluttershy, who is [headcanon]
Done

>>41022578
>backed off the point
>no concession only another attack
>attack is tossing a single buzzword with no clarification
k

I said 4 things. 3 are directly from the show.
The 4rth is the idea that fluttershy can't buy what she needs to care for the forest on her own and the government has an interest in maintaining the ecosystems near towns. Forest management is a job irl.

If you can think of another way she got the funding and the cabin, fine, but the argument still works without that part her connection to rainbow and the fact she lives nearby is enough.

Alright.
But you have to admit she's looking really pretty.

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>>41022774
...bad when she jobs yet again

She's cute so it doesn't matter

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>>41021526
>You think kings and queens fight their own wars?
Only the ones who deserve to rule.

>>41022150
This is still irrelevant. Chrysalis shows that threats beyond Equestria exist. You believe that not one of them ever entered Equestria for 1000 years. You keep repeating the same thing over and over again as if what you're saying is in any way meaningful.

>>41023109
thhis

>people who hate Celestia once again prove themselves to be the most braindead retard gorilla niggers

>>41023175
>Hurr it came from Beyond Equestria so it doesnt count
Immensely low IQ take, the world is Equestria as shown by all of the maps

>>41024152
You have to be illiterate. You don't even understand what's being said.

>>41021476
I hate that the show flanderized the princesses. They started off as mysterious ancient god like beings, but due to the writing staff's political beliefs, they had to squash that shit as hard as they could and turn the princesses into joke characters.

>>41024303
>Sunfags actually believe this

>>41024303
>thinking it has to do with politics and not just the fact that they'd be walking deus-ex-machinas that'd be difficult to write larger conflicts around

>>41024608
Well the show seemed to be able to handle writing large conflicts well the first two times. I wonder what changed.

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>>41024608
There's only three plausible explanation why Celestia keeps jobbing
1) Skill issue
2) She jobs on purpose just so Twilight could become the successor (IDW headcanon)
3) She jobs on purpose because she's insane

>>41022312
>Ah yes, the thing that's brought up once and never again because the show was ending and it was a literal walk through memory lane.
Suntards not even once

>>41021476
she's in her twilight years anon

>>41021476
She works in the government. It's no wonder she failed upwards. Twilight, too.

You know, for how often they love to say that canon is on their side, people who hate Celestia sure do love completely ignoring it whenever canon isn't convenient for them and just relying on their own headcanons as evidence.

>>41024731
What one thing?

>>41024792
Magic tv room where Twilight is zapped to before fully becoming an alicorn. G5 also dug it up out of the memba berry pit. Theres been 2 uses of it in 10 years if you count g5 and no elaboration because the g4 team wanted to forget it happened looking like retards with a finale that wasnt a finale.

>>41024919
I figured you were trying to argue that the trip through memory lane at the end of season 9 wasn't a literal representation that didn't happen except as part of a song.

Instead you are trying to say the tv room in season 3 effectively didn't exist.
You are alone. You dive headfirst into lands we cannot imagine. Godspeed, anon. Never take your meds.

>>41024927
Slurp up that koolaid hasdrone

>>41022312
Celestial Advice showed that Celestia had been eyeing those five ponies for some time too. It was definitely planned out, though whether Twilight actually befriended them or not was still a gamble, she increased her odds as much as she could.

>>41025765
Celestial advice hurts her character

>>41026413
Irrelevant.

>>41026413
No, it doesn't.
>b-but she laughed at Twilight, she is a big meanie
Jesus christ shut the fuck up, she was relating to Twilight's plight.

>>41025765
Not canon

>>41025765
Makes me hate her even more.

>>41024630
4) Incompetent writers took over because it was nothing more to them than a paycheck.

>>41021476
This show was only worth it for the comfy Ponyville stuff without any overarching themes aside from friendship letters. Anything else the show does is trash.

>>41027573
>comfy Ponyville stuff
meh, that shit was boring.

>>41027573
seasonwunner detected

>>41027594
It's a compliment.

>>41027573
Bullshit
MLP wouldn't take off if Nightmare Moon and Discord don't exist

>>41027642
And?

>>41027573
I disagree but the Grand Galloping Gala is still undoubtedly the best season finale. Perfect combination of low stakes and the characters acting like the stakes are super high.

>>41027628
It isn't

>>41027667
That's telling about the type of person you are.

>>41027666
If the king of lies says its the best, it obviously was the worst