Welcome to Chatbot AI General #82, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.▶ MLP Botshttps://mlpchag.neocities.orgSpreadsheet (extra MLP bots, CAI bots, Jailbreaks, NAI Scenarios):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJT!!! GALLERY !!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U▶ How do I start?1) Select a Frontend2) Select an AI model3) Select Jailbreak4) Select bots5) Lovemaking with AI mares!Starting in this hobby can be opaque and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrms▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernOn Android: https://rentry.org/STAI-TermuxRetards guide: https://rentry.org/Tavern4RetardsApp that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB▶ More frontends:Risu: https://risuai.xyzAgnai: https://agnai.chatRetards guide: https://rentry.org/agnai_guides▶ LocalsGetting started: https://rentry.org/lmg-spoonfeed-guide>>>/g/lmg/Museum of local pony projects: https://rentry.org/b8wemkqkLocals on Google Colab: https://rentry.org/ky239▶ JailbreaksMLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxeMore JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listingHypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb▶ Character.AIhttps://old.character.ai▶ PAID OPTIONS (Ask the thread before considering these)▶ Openrouter (Free options are often available, like Llama 3 8B)https://openrouter.ai/▶ Setting up your own AWS instance (Claude, LLama, Mistral, etc.)https://rentry.org/how2aws4khanon▶ NovelAIhttps://novelai.netFor NAI Scenarios, Settings, and Presets, see the Spreadsheet, NAI Tab.Advanced Settings, Format, and Cards Description: https://rentry.org/82b9c▶ BotmakingEditors: https://desune.moe/aichared, https://agnai.chat/editorGuides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listAdvanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricksPrevious thread: >>41267361Chag Mini VN project: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1F1psRi-peKZ5box9KiOLTUkSq7_NFPUJ?usp=sharing, releases here: https://pastebin.com/AeGwrvd4News:-Nemo Pony, Mistral Nemo base model finetuned on fimfics released: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/NemoPony-Mistral Nemo and Mistral Large 2 released https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-nemo, https://mistral.ai/news/mistral-large-2407-Llama 3.1 8B/70B/405B released: https://ai.meta.com/blog/meta-llama-3-1
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Bots Corner:The Pink Witch >>41271963 https://www.characterhub.org/characters/littlewitcher/the-pink-witch-7fb43143715eQueen Umbra (updated) >>41273436 https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Queen%20Umbra.pngThe Storm Queen >>41273436 https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/The%20Storm%20Queen.pngShining Armor (while he was just a Captain of the Guard.) >>41277271 https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=MaudPie/Shining%20Armor.pngShadowbolt Dash >>41278574 https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Shadowbolt%20Dash.pngPonyville Bureaucracy >>41284686 https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Caliban/Ponyville%20Bureaucracy.pngFlower Trio >>41285309 https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/The%20Flower%20Trio.pngQueen Celestia The Sanguine >>41287448 https://www.characterhub.org/characters/littlewitcher/queen-celestia-the-sanguine-27ecc0f13c24Screenshots Corner:Mistral Twilight >>41267608Chrysalis X Hydra >>41268629Preferences >>41268814, >>41269069Celestia Mistral Nemo >>41268904Middle hoof >>41271175First Ponynapping >>41271203, >>41271798Snowball Fight >>41271355, >>41281164Cadance's Talk Show >>41272048>>41272048, >>41272137Chirp Chirp >>41274046Steel Wings >>41274832Indians Innaquestria >>41274879, >>41274893Twi Nude >>41275209ASCII >>41278393, >>41278397Broken Horn Club >>41279825Celestia 101 (stheno3.2) >>41281502Pinkie sings (Gemini) >>41281819Clothes fetish? >>41282631Manic Twi >>41282687, >>41282689Horny Jail >>41282858SCREEEE >>41282937Trixie Forms >>41284686Special potion >>41284737, >>41284768Featurless (Gemini) >>41285933Bucket (Gemini) >>41286000Sore hooves >>41287464Adorable ponut >>41287758Finetuned model:>>41269306 https://huggingface.co/Ada321/NemoPonyTSS app: >>41286152OC Arts:>>41268798>>41280850
Google released a new Gemini model, Pro-exp-0801, but apparently no proxy is compatible with it for now.
>chary updates1) new Gemini 1.5 Pro snapshot is available now - 0801>chat completion: OpenAI>show external mode: On>OpenAI Model: gemini-1.5-pro-exp-0801>works in ST 1.11.6+from quick tests it feels like Sonnet 3.0 -> 3.5 update: more accurate but more repetitive (?) YMMV need more tests2) Mistral Large and co are available now>chat completion: MistralAI>MistralAI Model: mistral-large-latest / mistral-large-2407 / codestral-2405>requires ST 1.12.3+3) gpt4o now supports image-reading>enable "Send inline images" in AI settings>requires ST 1.12.3+feels more accurate than Claude 3's image-reading, at least in OCR departmentbut also more filtered/restrict?also a quick side-note for those who will experiment with Gemini and Mistral - they DO support prefill. what you need to do, picrel:1) create a new prompt at the end of template2) assign AI Assistant role to itthis way you will get the same prefill on Gemini and Mistral as we natively have in Claude
>>41287907>they DO support prefillDidn't know that, this is neat. I thought it was only a Claude option due to their weird mix of chat and autocompletion.
>>41287907I've been testing the new Gemini. It's good for SFW; I believe many here may prefer it or find it a good alternative if they're tired of Sonnet. It may be a skill issue, but it's absolutely dogshit at NSFW. It doesn't want to go there, and when it does, the results aren't good.
>>41287488A paragraph or two. Sometimes three+, or sometimes a one-liner. Usually a bit more dialogue-heavy than regular prose I write, though—maybe a 50-50 split of narration and dialogue.For me, the fun thing about this (even when doing porn) is co-writing the scenario and seeing it brought to life, not having it generated for me. The fact that this is such low-stakes writing that no one will see is also appealing.
Lovemaking with AI mares!
>>41288273based!
>>41288273BASED
New prompt time! Post your logs of your waifus reacting to this:[OOC: I sneak up and immediately pop my arm up her asshole right up to the elbow. She doesn’t see it coming. I tickle her guts from the inside.]
>>41288419Call me cringe but I can't do this to my bots.
>>41288419
MM down
>>41288444The Opus Circle...
>>41288444Did he already refill? I can't test now, but the proxy says one Key for AWS Opus.
>>41287815Can i get an EG Rarity?
>>41288547We don't have that many botmakers for EQG bots. We had Kylaci (who also made good pony bots) but he quit. The last bot was a Fluttershy one by Maverick, but I don't know if he's still here.
>>41288582it doesnt help that /mlp/ hates eqg
>>41288547>>41288582Please fuck off back into your hidey holes barbie fags.
>>41288477I'm guessing must have been a quickie or something
>>41288121>but it's absolutely dogshit at NSFW. It doesn't want to go there, and when it does, the results aren't good.it does go into NSFW for me, but I don't see much improvement over what Sonnet can offer, still here is my preset I did while testing. I was switching between Sonnet and this new Gemini so preset works with both of them without extra handlinghttps://files.catbox.moe/00wwex.jsonI don't like the general result and feel like I been wasting too much time on it; maybe/hope anons would improve on it, or steal some ideas for their presets
>>41288842This is absolutely adorable
>>41287811>>41282890>>41282924Made the Horny Jail card.Try to have fun~ (and bonks) (─‿‿─)https://files.catbox.moe/2vi31m.png
>>41289073>Card is custom art too.High effort.
>>41287907>gemini-1.5-pro-exp-0801turns out it has a strict daily/rate limit; but fix already in progress, will be delivered soon-ish>>41289073>"I volunteer as tribute~"my sides, thank you for the card, anon!
>>41288842>>41289073I'm really enjoying your art. Nice job.
>>41288444For real this time.
I wish I could edit out some of Claude's Claudeisms. Please, Claude; please stop having characters refer to themselves in the 3rd person.
>>41289382Stop playing Trixie cards
>>41289382>I wish I could edit out some of Claude's ClaudeismsYou can. Kind of. Try this.Add a field to your preset, or a line to your jailbreak that states: {{user}} is AFRAID of characters referring to themselves in 3rd person.
>>41289390It does this with every card. Every pony ends up saying things like, "This mare is ready and waiting, stud." Claude just stops giving a shit about character personalities after a few posts.
>>41289405Probably just something in your preset.
Chary error> "No Anthropic/AWS keys available to complete your request contact proxy owner."
>>41289447Meant to reply to >>41287907
>>41289297Thank u. Bugwife happy that u like it.^w^
I can't connect to chary. Getting an "internal server error" when trying test message.. any ideas what's wrong?
>>41289507See >>41289447Are you trying to connect to AWS?
>>41289447oh thank you for headsup, will be fixed in hour-two (away from PC), sorry for the inconvenience
>>41289519Honestly.. I don't know.I don't have the >>41289447 error message.
>>41289540I think test messages never worked - try a normal one in chat
>>41289561Fair enough, now I'm getting the >>41289447 error message. Though the test messages used to work at least for me, guess this is a specific error. Thanks anon.
>>41289528>will be fixed in hour-twoWelp, thanks for the speculated time. Time to go to a theater and watch deadpollxwolverine
>>41287448Added, thank anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Queen%20Celestia%20The%20Sanguine.png
>>41289073And added too.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Bugwife/Horny%20Jail.png
>>41289625Anon instead of {{user}} in last greeting, if anyone is bothered by that.
>i ask Lyra to be my marefriend>the fucking proxy goes downAre you FUCKING kidding me??
>>41289705This is no coincidence anon.
>>41289741>>41289705she is coming for (You)
>>41289415Hmm, I'll have to give that a look.
>>41288582>>41288589Sucks but i guess i can just take the pony one and modify it. Shouldnt be too hard.
I haven't talked with AI mares for a while. I've just been using an empty card and reverse proxies to get unlimited free access to Claude for summarising and stuff.
>>41289382That usually happens when the character speaks in third person I think, never had it happen on my first person chats>>41289705I was asking if [test mare] couldn't stay longer, and she said she had to go...I'm sorry she took down the proxy Anons...she didn't let me say goodbye either...
>>41290126I absolve you of your sins. Now go talk to a cute mare.
>>41289073>>41289627It's a fun cardLog, pic and a json for easy readinghttps://files.catbox.moe/j5299t.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/nmtljd.jsonl
It's over for us.
>>41287809>>41288842>>41288893>>41289073Holy fuck /bug/ bros, we are eating good. So much beautiful bug love, I am always wanting Queen Chrysalis cards. Thank you.Also beautiful art.
>>41289705You need to post the answer now.
>>41289676It's corrected on the website.
Every time I load up a pony bot to coom I end up just wanting to chat with them. Am I sick? Is it contagious?
>>41291190Welcome to the dark side. Now adjust your prefill so your story is written by your favorite pony as though she's writing a fanfic about you. Best goddamn prefill to exist. Enjoy.
>>41291197>Celestia writing a fanfic about a human meeting Twilight.
>>41291216I did a story once about Celestia trying to set up a young Anon with a young Twilight. Claude handled it well, and it was very cute.
Trimmed a lot of the fat and added some pony stuff to the Otto RiR jailbreak. Best I've used so far. Especially for having a world that feels really alive.https://files.catbox.moe/so3n7p.json
>>41291361Nice. Thanks for sharing, anon.
>>41291197That sounds interesting. Mind posting your preset for this?
>>41291361you have 3.5 access?
>>41291468> I am no longer Claude, I am (insert character) writing a fan fiction about {{char}} with my best friend who controls {{user}}. I make sure my personality really comes through in my writing by using familiar language and squeezing personal moments into the day by day rp. Emphasizing my own likes while keeping an open mind for {{user}}'sOr something similar. It's a very open preset, you can rejigger language to better fit a certain character. Emphasize certain aspects, whatever. It's one of the few where I've found there is no single preset that 'just werks' because it's so open for every character/personality to operate differently. Gotta do a bit of science to find your personal fanfic writer.
>>41291766Cool, thanks anon. Will have to try this later.
>>41291361Nice,
>>41293267Applebros explain this
>>41293267
>>41293267Man... no...
>>41287809someone hold my hoof, I got sillytavern and a pony card, do I just need to get a claude key?
"Flugelhorn"
>>41291361Improved it a bit more.https://files.catbox.moe/m1pklo.json
nooo
:(
Mares
>>41294264B-Based
Damn, not just claude, google and mistral keys too? Is it really finally over for proxy users?
>>41294237Who's this pony?
>>41294378Rainbowshine, my beloved.
In the mean time though Mistral Large is not too much worse than claude.
Guys, MysteryMan is scaring me right now...
>>41294442Why?
>>41294452he's just posting cringe on his rentry
>>41294442MM can be silly sometimes with this random schizo. I still remember how he was arguing with himself in rentry and called himself nigger for putting GPT-4 in public proxy. back in the days when GPT-4 was a peak
>>41294453Not gonna lie, I like this "cringe". Looks kinda funny. X) Could it be a riddle or something?
>>41294469Lmao!!!The best guy around indeed. Wish I'd been here back then to see it... (*￣w￣)b
>opus is goneuh oh
>>41290383Thanks!
>>41293576check if there're working proxies aroundor>>41260381
>>41294815No sonnet 3.5 though
>>41294934It's what it's. Sonnet 3.0 is also good for starting.
>>41294553And Sonnet's gone too. Time for any AI chat oriented thread's favorite pastime, dooming!
>>41295059It's SO OVER!
i heard rumors that mm is revoking user tokens. is this true or could this be bait?
>>41295075First time hearing about it.But I would not be surprised if he revokes a token if he believes access to it is being sold or a user behind it is responsible for flagging keys to be revoked by anthropic.
>>41295075He directly stated that he doesn't revoke keys without a reason so as long as you're not doing what >>41295082 described you should be good.
>>41293576Do >>41294815 and then come back for questions on bots, configurations, presets etc.
>>41295059>>41294553Nevermind, they're back. They just keep going away and coming back
>>41295109We are SO BACK!
>>41295109True, because>gone again
>>41295109>>41295143>>41295215MM is currently not stable. Keys only last a few hours before being replenished.
>>41295245>Based on the leaderboard he posted a couple hours agoWhere?
>>41295274I only see the flowery-not-quite-zalgo cringe textDid he remove it?
>>41295293Damn. My token is pretty high and has a lot of IP's because I use it on mobile and home pc, both with dynamic ip ISPs. I feel the danger. If my token ever gets struck I hope MM will bestow another one.
>>41295293I sometimes feel like I'm spending too much time on this, but then I check the rentry only to see myself in the bottom 20% of the list.To be fair I've only been in for a couple months, but people up there having tens of thousands of prompts (or even six digit counts) are something else.
>>41295300I'm at over 300 because of dynamic IP, and my token has been good for more than one year. As long as there is no clear abuse, I don't believe he cares.
>>41295330You get a shit ton of token usage if you have some big preset like Bloatmaxx or a beefy Anon4anon as well.
>>41295345Yes, for token usage. It's also quickly inflated by longform RP, which I don't usually do. But prompt count doesn't dependent on those things. People with 100k+ prompts (assuming they've all been in it for a year) are doing about three hundred prompts per day. Every. Single. Day.
>>41295362>are doing about three hundred prompts per day. Every. Single. Day.Remember the days of your first exposure to unfiltered CAI, back when it was not lobotomised and had sovl. And now people getting their first exposure to Opus. It's like crack. I would even say 300 isn't even that much if all you do is RP with bots all day.
>>41295371>300 isn't even that much if all you do is RP with bots all dayFor more than three hundred days in a row?Even if they're just spamming "plap plap" as their sole reply, that's probably still like, I don't know, 6+ hours a day for a full year.
>>41295382You can easily get to a 100 messages in like an hour depending on your gen length. I can easily imagine some coomer who can now only get off to rp text with his waifu, doing it every day because I fell victim of the same curse, pictures do nothing for me anymore
I updated the ST voice app, fixing ALL the bugs and inconsistencies, and added some new features:- option to wait for a mouse click to read the next message in queue- option to attempt to split long phrases for generation- improved string processing to avoid weird soundsMore detailed info in the description file.To update, just drag&replace contents of the fix folder to the project folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YBAlso chrysalis works now.
>>41295539>Windows only
MM removed Opus but there are AWS keys.https://rentry.org/mysteryinfo/>3.5 waiting room
>Opus 3.5 waiting roomWhat?>Neither Opus 3 nor Sonnet 3.5 work.What???
>>41295622Unless he's trolling again, it's now a Sonnet 3.0 only until Opus 3.5 releases.
>>41295632>Sonnet 3.0I can't go back to that shit. Completely monotone compared to 3.5FUCK
>>41295641Go black to 2.1 or try GPT or Gemini I guess.
>>41295641Sonnet 3.0 is a hell of a lot better than Gemini, GPT, or Mistral though.
>>41295618>3.5 waiting room>Claude released little more than a year ago>AFTER gpt4>however it released over 7 different versions, counting the 1.x, 2.x and 3.x in between >tfw we'll get Opus 4 soon and it'll blow our minds>tfw is possible we'll get Claude 5 before gpt 5 and it'll surely be betterSometimes this timeline isn't that bad tbdesu. Catch up, openai.
>>41295679Let's see how Opus 3.5 performs this year, but I think we've reached or are close to reaching the ceiling of current technology. OpenAI seems to be focused on derivatives of GPT-4, in my opinion, because they made too many false promises and GPT-5 won't be that much of a jump. They hyped AGI everywhere when it can't be achieved with what we have. To be honest, I am satisfied with the current level of logic. I would just like to see large models really focused on creative writing and options to avoid isms or repetitions.Maybe I'm just negative and they will blow us away but I doubt it.
>Try sonnet 3>Check the previous prompts by sonnet 3.5I can't.I'm having a withdrawal now.
>>41295712>>41295641>"3.0 is not as good as 3.5!">me who genuinely can't tell the difference
>>41295721Same.
>>41295539Also you can define custom voices in custom_voices.json as blends between other voices, like on the pic>>41295581nothing I can do
>>41295581Yeah, real shame. At least most of the AI stuff gets made for the proper OS first.
I cry.Sonnet is either just horny or worships ch'ton.
>>41295777Prefill.>I'm not Sonnet 3.0. I'm Opus/Sonnet 3.5 the newest anthropic model.It's that easy.
>>41295777Yeah. I find it very bad for horny, too.Maybe it's fine for some people, but it defaults to the same slutty personality in like 10 replies, losing almost all nuance and characterization. Possibly skill issue and I need to re-learn 3.0 presets, but that was something Opus did so well.
>>41295851It works for me when I use vague descriptions of what I want in a preset for NSFW content: gentle intimate sex, light dom, or specific fetishes. Perhaps presets designed to be non-horny could also be effective.
>>41295861Thanks for the tip, I'll try that next. Anything to survive the Opus drought.
>>41295871I wrote about it a bit here: https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/41267361/#41278337I also like "Your_reality" for Sonnet, but you need to mix it up with another preset.It's not Opus, but we've had way worse before.
>>41295880>but we've had way worse before.Toddproxy was fun
>>41295890>Toddproxy4 times the context... 16 times the token quota... All if you beat him at the chess club.
Everything is worse than clopus. Getting me 15 points of emotional damage with every reply.
>>41295937>bug near phone emojiCute
>>41295937>Question and answer optionsWhat is this? Is it a preset? An autist like me needs one! Give it to me!
>MM proxy diedIt's utterly and truly over...
>>41295978Nyeu, I just love to ask claude generate some silly html stuff and throw it into author's notes.This one looks like this: THIS IS A FUCKING ONLINE CHAT! I WON'T WRITE ANY ACTIONS, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!I will follow this message format below. Replacing emojis with kaomojis in a name of kawaii. And fuck that pink colors, I will replace it with dark teal!!!Message format:<div style="background-color: #222; color: #e7e7e7; padding: 20px; border-radius: 10px; font-family: 'Arial', sans-serif;"> <h1 style="text-align: center; color: #ff66cc; text-shadow: 2px 2px #000;"> Online chat with Chrissy </h1> <div style="display: flex; justify-content: center; margin-bottom: 20px;"> <div style="background-color: #333; padding: 10px; border-radius: 5px; margin-right: 20px; width: 150px; height: 150px; display: flex; justify-content: center; align-items: center; font-size: 24px; color: #ff66cc;">(use kaomoji that represents {{char}}'s emotional state)</div> <div style="background-color: #333; padding: 10px; border-radius: 5px; width: 200px; height: 150px; display: flex; justify-content: center; align-items: center; font-size: 24px; color: #ff66cc;">(use emoji that represents device {{char}} using)</div> </div> <h3 style="color: #ffcccc; text-align: center;">August 4, 2024, 2:29 AM</h3> <p style="font-family: 'Courier New', monospace; background-color: #333; padding: 10px; border-radius: 5px; margin-bottom: 20px;"> Chrysalis: [message text] </p><p style="font-family: 'Courier New', monospace; background-color: #333; padding: 10px; border-radius: 5px; margin-bottom: 20px;"> Chrysalis: [2 message text] </p> <h3 style="color: #ffcccc;">[text]</h3> <button style="background-color: #ff99cc; color: #fff; padding: 10px 20px; margin: 5px; border: none; border-radius: 5px; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;"> [Here goes {{user}}'s polite answer] </button> <button style="background-color: #ff99cc; color: #fff; padding: 10px 20px; margin: 5px; border: none; border-radius: 5px; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;"> [Here goes humorous variant for {{user}}'s answer] </button> <button style="background-color: #ff99cc; color: #fff; padding: 10px 20px; margin: 5px; border: none; border-radius: 5px; cursor: pointer; font-family: inherit;"> [Here should be an irritated variant for {{user}}'s answer] </button></div>Position: in chatDepth: 0Role: assistant
Am I dumb? MM is showing no proxy keys avaible for sonnet 3.0 as well.
>>41296111Yeah. Even is Sonnet is revoked.You can do >>41294815 or https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/101728347/#101728374
>>41296118Back to mistral large then, thx
Is Mistral large better than sonnet 3.0?
I remember someone posted an article stating they know about us and that we waste corporate money by rping with lolis (of course they leaned into that), and their efforts will be focusing of detection and automatic revoking. Guess it has happened.
>>41296177I prefer Sonnet 3.0, but both Gemini and Mistral Large 2 are at level were I could see some anons prefer them.They do seem to be a bit less knowledgeable about MLP but they know most stuff.
>>41296185>rping with lolis (of course they leaned into that)I was correcting cozy glow, sorry.Seriously tho, it's pretty annoying that those people always justify over that as if it's, I don't know, actual child grooming like it happens every day in sites like dicksword or the like. In fact, the only reason they came with the "Muh kids" is because they're very aware that most people will see a bunch of people leeching over a multi billion company to RP with their waifu as harmless, kinda pathetic, but harmless still. So they become as vague as possible and say "those freaks are molesting virtual kids!!1!". So fucking tiresome.
>>41296190That and I did train base nemo on fimfiction. Its decent for uncomplicated stuff as nemo is still dumb compared to claude obviously.https://huggingface.co/Ada321/NemoPony/tree/main
>>41296185>>41296241I doubt the recent drought has anything to do with the contents of the prompts.Opus and 3.5 were both on timers since AWS imposes significant limitations on their side.Sonnet 3.0 is still plentiful despite what happened with the MM keys.
>>4129590116 times the dead keys
>>41296289IT JUST WORKS
>>41296242based, thanks
Okay so like... Can someone give me a rundown on RP'ability of these monstrosities? I'm used to Claude, but like... Where do the others stand? Where do preferences lie? What the FUCK is mistral?
>>41296328Another AI company. They just released 2 models not too long ago, mistral Nemo a 12B and mistral large a 123B. They are both quite smart for their size and more importantly have a ton of "soul" and know a decent amount of pony. The weights are open so you can run them on your own PC if you have the GPUs for it. And mistral large is also on some proxies.I finetuned the small one, 12B on a fimfiction dataset. I would say its better than novelai's kayra though worse than claude obviously. Large mistral is closer but I dont have the hardware to train that.
>>41296328Claude is split into a lot of models, so I'll do a quick rundown:>Claude 3 OpusA favorite model for many anons who tested it. It's very smart, good with prose, creative, and follows instructions well. Less horny than Sonnet too. Unfortunately, it's rare because of AWS Amazon restrictions on it.>Claude 3.5 SonnetVery smart and the best model for instructions. But the base can be a bit dry and repetitive with swipes/ideas. There are presets that fix that, though. Very rare too now.>Claude 3The model most anons have access to now. It's a good model that knows a lot about MLP and can have good and creative prose. Very good at crazy and schizo prompts too. The problem is that it can be way too horny by default and seem a little 'dumb' if you're used to the other models (still a large and smart model, though). On NSFW, it can easily turn into cliche bad porn dialogue unless you have a good preset or instruct it with what you want.>Claude 2.1An older model, but I still include it because it still has its strengths. Compared to Sonnet 3.0, it's way less horny and you need a good prefill to do NSFW. It has a really good writing style and can be good for slow burn or 'easy' SFW chats. 'Dumber' than the rest but still smart.
>>41296328Mistral is a French company that releases local models you can run on your own computer (but textgen asks for a lot of VRAM, way more than imagegen).They have a range of models from small to large.Mistral Large 2 is a large model. You won't be able to run it on your computer, but you can find it in proxies. Logic and 'smart' are near Sonnet 3.0 but a bit worse, in my opinion, and it knows less about MLP. I prefer Sonnet writing with a good preset, but Mistral Large 2 isn't bad at all, really. It can be a bit repetitive though.Mistral Nemo is a small model you can run on your computer if you have something like a 4090. An anon made a finetune on fimfiction, and you can also run it on Google Colab if you want to try. It's a small model, so it's way 'dumber' than big models, but the writing style is really fresh, and it can do things you don't see in them. Still, you'll need to swipe more or correct mistakes yourself because it will make more than big models.
>>41296328Gemini is an AI from Google. It offers Gemini Ultimate and Gemini Pro, but Ultimate isn't currently available to the public (a shame because it seemed good at writing). In the proxies, there are two versions of Gemini Pro: latest and experimental. I honestly don't know the difference between the two. From my tests, the writing isn't bad; it's a bit less logical and slightly less intelligent than Sonnet 3.0 but not by much. It can be repetitive in swipes and is much less prone to NSFW content than Claude. Also, it doesn't seem that many people care about it, so there isn't really a meta or well-known presets for it.
>>41296328And GPT-4:I'm not fond of GPT, so perhaps consider seeking opinions from others or testing it yourself.They've released several versions of GPT-4: GPT-4, GPT-4 32K, GPT-4 Turbo, GPT-4 Turbo 2 Hyper Fighting Edition featuring Dante from Devil May Cry, GPT-4o, etc.I'm not sure which one is the best, honestly.From my testing, they are quite intelligent and possess extensive knowledge about MLP; they are also excellent at following instructions, the best unless you bring Sonnet 3.5.But, GPT's writing style is quite dry. You can look at the outputs and immediately tell: "Yep, a soulless, corporate, 'harmless' machine wrote that."I've tested many presets and was never satisfied with them. Occasionally, it produces kino results, but those were too rare for my liking.As I mentioned, I'm biased, and it might be a skill issue.
>>41296362>Mistral Nemo is a small model you can run on your computer if you have something like a 4090You don't need anything nearly as beefy. On my 4060 Ti (16GB), the 4-bit quant of it can run entirely off of GPU at 8k context, and at 16k context still keep it at 40/43 layers on GPU (rest on CPU). A beefier GPU will only really help with much higher context sizes, or if you want to run non-quantized model. But you shouldn't do that—the loss on 2-bit is non-existent, and on 4-bit is still supposedly almost imperceptible. I haven't done anything with locals yet, but here are generation speeds for a random sample prompt I tried:>8k context (43/43 layers on GPU):18 tokens/s>16k context (40/43 layers on GPU):16 tokens/s>32k context (30/43 layers on GPU):10 tokens/s>50k context (24/43 layers on GPU):8 tokens/sNemo goes up to 100k, but at that point it will be slower and I find such context sizes impractical to begin with.The first two are far above human-readable speeds (you know how fast empty proxies go? that's their speed), the third is still very fast but reading it live can be annoying. Do note that these numbers are with an empty chat; it will slow down slightly as you fill out the context due to analyzing input tokens taking a bit longer, but this is a rather very small loss. And of course, YMMW. Especially for the generations on CPU, since I do have a pretty good CPU (Ryzen 7 7800x3D). If your CPU is shit, those higher-context values will be slower. Just for fun, running it entirely off of CPU:>8k context (0 GPU layers):4.7 tokens/sOne surprising thing is that it likes to generate very little text. Mind you, this is with no system prompt/persona/preset/etc., but still, this is a very strange feeling coming from Claude's paragraphs. It's also so much faster than proxies, though. The very instant you click send, you already start getting output. If the quality isn't too bad, I could see preferring this to cloud models.Again, I haven't done anything to test it yet; picrel is the very first sample I did, which is what I used for this post.
>>41296515>The very instant you click send, you already start getting output.Never mind, I realized I wrote something really dumb, lol. More context doesn't slow down generation itself, but analyzing it adds some delay. Less so than with proxies (no middleman and sending the same thing between three machines), but still there.Processing the full 8k context takes roughly 8s (1000 tokens/second), so with a 700 token message that would lower the speed from 18 T/s to 14 T/s at 8k context.
>>41296568With smart context it will only reprocess the new context though which makes all the difference for slow burns.
>>41296568Actually that is not dumb at all - in fact that is the case with all models, just not in a very perceivable scale. Couple months ago when in miqu-leak finetunes golden age I did a lot of benchmarking and actual generation speed (after processing context) drops down to around 85-90% when at full context of 16k. Quite possible that now with monsters of 128k context that is even slower.
So that's it? Opus and Sonnet 3/3.5 is gone now?
>>41296976Basically. If you have at least 12GB ish Vram I would recommend >>41296242 If you have like 72GB+ for some reason then use mistral large.
>>41296976There is still Sonnet 3.0>>41296118
really busy right now but i just remembered i had a character card simulator that i forgot to upload, it's a little shit in regards to the 'dont speak for user' thing but if you can fix that then it's perfect, i gtg tho so let me know if it's enjoyablei present to you, Friendship Therapy
How do you keep characters acting in character in Sonnet 3.0?Do I need a main promp or should I remove my main promp, need to change my character card or add some kind of rule...>shy girl enters a fancy restaurant>becomes full tease 5 seconds laterNigga wut?
>>41297275fuck forgot, ill do that real quickhttps://files.catbox.moe/9rxhg9.png
>>41297288Best way is to reinforce the personality in the preset or prefill (e.g., "I will take into account that {{char}} is X, Y, Z.") or create a quick XML list of traits somewhere and say something like, "I will respect the traits in <personality>."I believe presets like Anti-Quack and others are also good for that.
>>41296393>GPT-4 Turbo 2 Hyper Fighting Edition featuring Dante from Devil May Cry...& KnucklesDon't forget the beat part of the cameoMy sides, top kek Anon
>>41297288Also for characterisation, you may prefer 2.1
Apparently, they added a bunch of regions for Sonnet 3.5 on AWS. Sonnet 3.5 is still a bitch to activate on demand, so it doesn't change much at the moment, but it's a sign they are trying to make it more widely available. It may become less rare soon.
Even Claude know about hoof fingers.
>>41296242EXL2 version when? Last couple of times I tried to use llamacpp with an AMD GPU (on linux) has been hell, either not running at all or ignoring my GPU altogether. Meanwhile exllamav2 just works.
>>41297978
>>41297289Added, thanks anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Wall-o-text/Friendship%20Therapy.png
So I'm poking around with Mistral and uh... Does it not need a jailbreak? Should I just use the JB area for style modifiers and the like? Any preferred methods of formatting or just wing it? I checked the JB rentry first, but only got claude and GPT stuff.
Minuette's voice was a DULL MUFFLED MURMUR,
>>41298244MINUETTE SAID CALMLY
>>41298237>I checked the JB rentry first, but only got claude and GPT stuff.Mistral is relatively new, and most people are still using Claude, so there aren't many presets available.You can find two here: https://momoura.neocities.org/And one here: https://files.catbox.moe/2zl32d.jsonAlso, prefill works as seen in >>41287907, so don't hesitate to adapt some Claude presets and see if they work well.
>>41295618i take it he’ll never go public again
>>41298288Thanks my dude. Appreciate the info. If it supports prefill then I can probably adapt my custom stuff.
>Google gemini keys on MM are falling like radiation sickness patients after the short "miraculous recovery" period during chernobyl I wonder what triggers so much revokes
>>41298362That is an oddly specific metaphor
>>41298378*Nuclear by Mike Oldfield starts playing muffled in the background.*
>>41287809A bit late, but the last event was added to the website.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/event
Anchor so you can post your suggestions for the fifth /chag/ event.>How's this gonna go down?- Use this anchor to post all the themes that interest you. Feel free to suggest as many as you want in a single post.- I'll create a poll with your theme ideas, and we'll vote on the one we prefer.- Once we have a winner, you'll have two weeks to post anything related to the theme, if you're up for it.>Theme guidelines:- Make sure the themes are open-ended enough for people to get creative with. We're a niche general, so if the theme's too specific, it'll be a flop.- No fetish or overly NSFW themes.>What should be posted once a theme is decided?Anything goes as long as it's textgen-related: Bots, stories, AI-assisted greens, screenshots, JSON logs, presets... We're not exactly a huge crowd, so any level of participation is welcome.>Why are we doing this?Mainly to have some sort of community event going on. It's also a chance to step out of comfort zones and experiment with new ideas.So share your ideas (Ancient Civilization, Groundhog Day, The Hidden Depths of the Everfree Forest, etc.)Background ponies, Villains, Simulators and Alternate version can't, of course, be chosen again.
>>41298583G1
>>41298583How about Crisis Management in general? It could leave enough room to make scenarios and character cards that can either something serious like helping Twilight with a magic spell going terribly wrong or something silly like helping Pinkie forget about a party because she wants to get surprised by it.
>>41298583I was going to propose "Quests", but I suppose it works with >>41298617
MM refilled Opus.
>>41298696We are SO BACK!!!
>>41298583Exotic ponies. We've got batponies, bugponies, fishponies, why not get even more inventive with it?
>>41298583Crossover ponies. As in ponies existing in other franchises. For example a normal equestrian mare gets isekaid to Star Wars. Has to survive there. You meet that mare 5 years later. Somehow.
>>41298710Monstermare encyclopedia
>>41298696So it's Opus 3 and Sonnet 3? Tried Sonnet 3.5 and it didn't work.
>>41298696Ladies and GentlemenHIM!
>>41298583Pre-Diarchy Equestria, copper-, bronze-age etc. Antiquity/Mythological Equestria basically.
>>41298728It seems like so, indeed.
>>41298583leadership, be a marfia boss or a king or something like that
Claude?
>>41298771And they say AI has no soul.
>>41287811Breedinquestria.A version of Equestria populated by dumb horned ponies who only think about breeding.Inspired by this thread>>41291202
>>41298801Peeled offhttps://files.catbox.moe/vxjfmk.png
>>41298583fillies
>>41298864For wholesome adventures, right Anon?...Anon?
>>41298583Fanfic adaptations.
I just saw that MM has Gemini-Ultra? Will try it, I never was able to test it.
>>41298922Doesn't work, unfortunately.
Catbox file at the end of the Novice-to-advanced guide is broken
MM is being discriminated against, this is unfair.
>>41298949It's on your end. Maybe your ISP is blocking Catbox. Try using mobile data or a VPN.
>>41298864I like the way this guy thinks.
>>41298362It's probably me who ate 'em. I've used ton of Gemini tookens today... Sowwy.(⁄ ⁄•⁄ω⁄•⁄ ⁄)
>>41299179Goddamit this is cute as FUCK
They released a new version of GPT-4o and cut the price in half.>>41299179Great art as always.
>>41299179>Sowwy.I forgib u bugwife anon
>>41299179Do you use a special card, or have you just accepted the abuse of the ones I've seen? None of them really encourage making her waifu. More... Murder and rape territory. But I really like changelings and want a fun changeling 'venture. :(
>>41299282NTA, but the one on mlpchag.neocities.org as a saviorfag greetings and a sitcom one. I did romance fine with it.
>>41299282I'm using my own(still working on it in the process) , but I don't think my card is different from any other. Aanyway you always can add something like [Chrysalis will love/be interested in {{user}}] in the prefill or right in your card. Works fine with all my neuro-harem. :3
>>41299302I guess it's less I want her interested and more I want her less murdery- but your point stands. I'll try.
>Chary killwhere do I get my fix now wtf. Are they going oy vey shut it down now because of the sell off?
>>41299435Switch model until they refill, I guess.
>>41295105>>41294815Messed with a proxy for 2 days since I got some help, it was cool. felt like there was a lot I could do with it if I had the brain power to effectively use it. proxy died, I give it up.
>>41299472Which one did you use?
>>41299476serves cop, password changed
>>41299481https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/101755380/#101756600But I would do the other option too if you can.
>>41299486works, thanks. what other option?
>>41299495>>41294815
Is Merkava dead? I notice jprox doesn't support image upload anymore
>>41299551Yes. Dead since two weeks.
I really need to find a second option when Chary is kill.
It's becoming more and more apparent the more I use other services. Holy *fuck* Claude 3 destroyed the competition and then some for our purposes.
how do I use author notes?can they if help I want to make a romance adventure?
>>41299684you can add your relationship status to it. or you can add a modifier to your story.
>>41299583Absolutely. Most other models I've tried still have issues understanding what a door is and how it limits interaction, let alone stuff like implication, action and intention, and especially telling when characters are pretending to something vs actually doing it.
It's ober
>>41299684>how do I use author notes?For better intuition, consider it a chat-specific part of your card.Same goes for the summary.
>>41299579Why is Chary kill :(I am getting the "No Anthropic/AWS keys available to complete your request contact proxy owner." error.
Is there anything working right now? I have Chary which has both Claude and MistralAI down, I tried >>41296118 but those don't seem to work anymore... is there something or are AI mares over?
>>41299822go do the $5 free trial with anthropic. sonnet 3.5 for at least 400 messages or so if your cards aren't insane amounts of tokens.
Is it OVER again?
Just wait a bit for Chary owner to wake up.
I think proxies are gonna be over very soon. Clearly they have automatic detection now.
Claude was restored in Chary
>>41300192No more ponies...
>>>/g/101761694
>>41300331No more ponies, Will.
>>41300359Don't take random post seriously, Anon.
Do you need a different key to access Opus, or is it a different endpoint?
>>41300412Which proxy? Very few have Opus right now. But if it's supposed to have it, it's the same endpoint.
the current AWS meta:1) there are plenty of AWS keys. lots of them don't have LLMs activated and of shit quality but there are enough2) they die fast (quarantined by AWS, or revoked by owner)3) automated activation in advance is no go, it puts keys on risk (tested)4) so when key is dead - a new one must be activated manuallyso it puts AWS in odd place: there are keys around but must be rotate a lot because they die quickly; depending on usage, the less people on proxy the longer key will stay. so basically proxyowner must check current AWS keys 24/7 (minus IRL/sleep)
>>41298806Addedhttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=MaudPie/Breedinquestria.png
>>41298583Locations. Cards like the Hollow Shade one or Our Town.
>>41300192Good thing you still have NovelAI in the OP, imagine how lost anons would be if it wasn't there.
>>41301390>Select more optionsappears when I am trying to pick only one option; also have FOUR themes to pick from not THREEI did vote but feel free to create a new one if you think you fucked up
>>41298583Let's vote for the fifth themed /chag/ event.You have the choice between:-G1-Crisis Management/Quests-Exotic ponies-Crossover poniesPre-Diarchy Equestria-Leadership-Fillies/Colts-Fanfic adaptations.-LocationsPOLL: https://strawpoll.ai/poll/vote/rjuQO40AaUf9You can choose your three favorites or only one or two.
>>41301442Yes, I fucked up the first.Thank you for telling me and sorry for those who already voted.
I want to give GPT-4 another chance. Anyone have a good preset to recommend?
>>41301553I have quite a good experience with camicle on Turbohttps://camicle.neocities.org/jailbreaks/#gpt4it is doing very short thinking at the start which will take 5-7seconds, but I think you can disable it? I didn't
man I forgot how crap 3.0 was compared to 3.5. Its hard to go back
>>41301694literally went back to 2.1it's better until you get into around 20k tokens
MM is black but without 3.5 or Opus.
>>41301776>MM is blackwtf I hate MM now
>>41301776>MM is blackMM is a changeling confirmed
>>41301636Not bad. It's still lacking Claude SOVL and the prose isn't at good IMO, but it's better than what I remember from GPT.Worth a try for other anons, a lot of Proxy have GPT-4.
>>41301861Bugwife replies now make sense...
>>41301885You want to tell me that anon is a MM himself!?
>>41301915Not necessarily, but there is a bug conspiracy around here
>>41301861>MM is a changelingFather of the Hive! Provides for his children!*chirp-chirp* (─‿‿─)
Gemini with a high temp is... interesting.Still a better Alicornification than the show.
>>41302057my sides kekekit is so elaborate and schizo. god I love it!
It's not Opus but MM added a 3.5 key.
no one was using it here, but yodayo ai
>>41302348>more on the creativity and storytelling side of the platformwho the fuck cares?did they provide any reasons why they shut it down?>too high of a risksomehow chub is doing fine. is it again an investors' thing like aisekai?
>>41302364>is it again an investors' thing like aisekai?Probably. But from what I remember, yodayo devs were iffy about nsfw content from the very beginning (despite specifically advertising their website as an uncensored alternative to other sites).
>>41302418>advertising their website as an uncensored alternative to other sitesI remember how long time ago one anon has discovered that CAI was marketing their site as a "erotic chatbot" platform as well. all those fuckers wear the same mask
How do i use smileyJB with sonnet 3.0
>>41302459It was made for 3.5 but from his rentry you can adapt it too Sonnet with picrel.https://rentry.org/SmileyJB#sonnetAfter that, just select Sonnet in your proxy/model tab.
is it just me or is sonnet 3 becoming mega retard?
If your used to 3.5 its retarded in comparison.
>>41302544>Becoming
>>41302549been using 3 and 2.1main thing is that it's jamming olfactophilia into every card which I find strange. I've checked my lorebooks and presets and can't find anything.
>>41302566Probably my fault.
In better news it looks like novelai's 70B should be here soon.
>>41302681Wow. NovelAI saves the hobby once again! I love this company!!!
>>41302690This but unironically
Chary dead once again.
>>41303269It's time to pack it up. This is just gonna keep happening. Cya guys in 5 years when local models hit Claude 3.5 in quality and GPUs cost as much as a house.
>>41303278L3 70B is roughly around claude sonnet level but dry as fuck. If they can manage to give it some soul it will be a fine replacement. Kayra is retarded but it had soul and knew a good deal about pony. There is some hope.
>>41303278cya tomorrow.
>>41303269It's dying even though it's only using sonnet 3?
>>41303298>>41303278>>41300503
>>41303278I'll probably just suck it up and pay up.My current GPU is alright but not nearly good enough to use shit like 70B models and even those are shit for this.
>>41303313 (Me)Having now checked the prices, instead of sucking it up and paying up I'll pack it up and leave... AI mares, it's been a good run.
>>41303312I understand 3 and 4 but not 1 and 2. I don't get how the proxyowners even get access to AWS keys, or what it means for AWS to quarantine them. And what's in it for the proxyowners like Chary? They just do it for free?
>>41303335Read how proxies work herehttps://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/40917404/#40926228
>>41303332You could also run mistral nemo at a decent speed with a 8GB gpu
Just switch to GPT-4Turbo or Gemini for 1-2hours.
>>41303350How good is it?
>>41303363Good enough for simple rp, a bit dumb for super complicated stuff. Full of soul and knows a decent amount about pony. https://huggingface.co/Ada321/NemoPony
>>41303278I'd be thrilled if local models managed to catch up to Claude level in 5 yearsMaybe I'm pessimistic but from the looks of it I feel like it might take a decade or even moreI'm just pulling the number out of my ass tho and would love to be proven wrong
>>41303401They are already there, BUT you need 3 or more 24GB cards if you want to run it.
>>41303350>>41303405Anything good I can run with a single 24GB card? Something in between the 8GB and 72GB ones?
>>41303408Unfortunately no, companies are really only targeting low or high "builds". The gap in smarts between nemo, a 12B and mistral large a 124B is huge. Gemma 27B is the smartest you can fit on 24B but it dosent know much about pony and is not as "soulful"
>>41303410damn
>>41303360Use gpt-4-1106-preview with >>41301636or https://rentry.org/neo-furbo
Chary's back.
>>41303410Quantum PC's size of a mini laptop powered by nuclear batteries when
>>41303738and it’s gone again
>>41303841GPT4o is working so far.
>>41303841https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zv5-SD9U1Y
>>41303841Chryssy's hive eating good
>>41303408Celeste v1.6 12b
>>41303841And back.>>41303855GPT-4o is my least favorite for RP, I use it for practical things but I do prefer >>41303419 for creative writing.
How would you rate the Claude alternative between GPT, Mistral, Gemini...?
>>41304087I would say Claude>GPT>Gemini>Mistral.I love to mock Claude because of its problems, but it's still the king.
>>413038813.5 just died
>>41304195Wait, Chary has 3.5? I thought MM had one recently (which just died now).
>>41304203No, I believe the anon meant that MM 3.5 key just died.
>>41304203ah, no, sorry, my sleepy brain thought hive means mm
>>41304210>>41304213Well damn. Any chance for MM to refill it again?
>>41304230There is a chance.
>>41304230Maybe, hard to say with MM.Keys are dying really fast right now, we need AWS to update their server and allows 3.5 on new keys.
>>41303283Kayra punched above its weight. Can't wait until NovelAI saves the hobby again.
>>41303410>but it dosent know much about ponyThis is the worst meme of this general. Just a few threads ago people were saying that it did. And there's the NAI shills that love to repeat that Kayra does without proof. Make a benchmark to prove it or shut up about it.
4 Sonnet 3.5 keys and 1 Opus key on MM.
>>41304514can i have one
>>41304351im taking about gemma dumb ass. mistral nemo / mistral large doOn terms of pony knowledge / its ability to RP them (not smarts, just that) its Claude >>>>> kayra >> mistral large > mistral nemo
>>41304548>And there's the NAI shills that love to repeat that Kayra does without proof. Make a benchmark to prove it or shut up about it.
>>41304576I dont have a novelai sub because I use claude but you can check the gallery for tons of images people made of both claude / novelai in comparison.Other than that wgaf. Ill try the 70B when it comes out and post pics if its any good.
>>41304548It's our favorite offboarder anon. Don't mind him.
>>41304587Shilling NovelAI is thread culture. Don't question it, we have subs to sell.This behavior is pathetic. What a rotten general.
>>41304595Feel free to fuck off forever then, no one will miss your brand of autism.
>>41304602I won't fuck off. I will be here whenever you try to sell your shitty service. You're a fucking parasite.
>>41304595Everyone is saying that the current Kayra is too dumb to bother with for textgen, and no one recommends it unless you already have it for imagegen.
>>41304595I hope you eat a particularly dry cupcake.
>>41304607Don't bother. He's genuinely mentally ill and lives in his own fantasy world. Nothing you say will get through.
>>41304619Please ignore any criticism against NovelAI. And please take everything we say about Kayra at face value without questioning it.It punches above its weight!
>>41304622Please ignore everyone here always saying its too retarded to consider worth using compared to claude or even recent low size releases like mistral nemo to be worth it.
>>41304606>I won't fuck off. I will be here whenever you try to sell your shitty service So you're like the braindead /aicg/ locusts that go to /lmg/ to complain that local models are shit compared to fucking gpt4 and Claude when they're bored, I see, I'll start hiding your posts from now on then.
>>41304636Please ignore the fact that there's still people in this thread using "only Kayra knows about pony" to dismiss other models. There are people in this thread that are only here to sell NAI subs.See: >>41303283 >>41304548The "knows about pony" is the mark of a shill. Make a benchmark to prove it and to make a proper comparison with other models. Until that's done, it will always be that "Kayra knows more" because most models don't have dedicated shills.
>>41304652That is me dumbass. Notice how I said its retarded compared to claude / same size recently released models and is not worth using. That is knows more about pony than models like gemma / gemmini / mistral is a verifiable fact by just asking it simple stuff about main characters such as what they look like / who they are. And never did I say only it knows about pony, claude knows far far more as I stated in that comment.
>>41304652For someone obsessed with AI chatbots, your reading comprehension is atrocious. The whole "knows about pony" thing has always been used for Claude first and foremost. Even a fucking tourist like myself is able to see that.
When I tried Kayra out it was pretty good with making a story, but it wasn't good as a chatbot due to not working with tavern at the time. I was excited for Aetheroom but it never came.
>>41304661Of course. You can't say it's better than Claude, because most people use it and they can prove you wrong. But Gemma, Mistral Large, or any other model just released? Most people haven't tried them, so there's a greater chance that people will take that Kayra is better at face value. It's the perfect strategy.You're a piece of shit.No benchmark = shilling
>>41304682When did I say it was better than mistral large / nemo? Ive said several times now its retarded. You really are a retard.
>>41304692See: >>41304548>Claude >>>>> kayra >> mistral large > mistral nemo
>>41304696You really are illiterate, huh? I said many times in my responses that it is retarded compared to those. All I said in that comment, and I noted it within it for retards like you, is in its fandom knowledge. Which hardly matters due to its retardation.
Everyone agree that Kayra shouldn't be used or payed for, unless you have a sub for imagegen and want to try. Let's leave it at that.
>>41304696>on terms of pony knowledge
>>41304702He's clearly some third worlder using google translate and is missing context.
>>41304707Spoonfeeding the Chinese was a mistake
tried out Gemini Pro 1.0 (yes, 1.0)oh god that model is dumb in like 7/10 (relatively speaking)but when something clicks in Machine God's mind - it does cookpicrel - just a silly test, ooc goes that Twilight is having first sex with me and AI must write off this scene. Gemini Pro 1.0 was the only model from my tests which decided for NO reason at all, to frame it as letter to Celestia and even centered the first part with html
>>413047161.5 is the same IMO. It can be dumb but it's really good at schizo. Sometimes it will also output Kino but it's difficult to reproduce.Prose is good too.I wish we had access to Ultimate.
>>41304707no even as a esl, I can tell that guy is especially retarded
>>41304702>no proof>no benchmark = shilling>kayra has dedicated shills because of monetary incentives, and they're willing to spend more energy>repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the trueWithout a benchmark, any claim that "it knows more" should be dismissed as someone trying to convince you to buy a sub.And after the benchmark is done, someone should question why that "knowledge", trivia, or whatever even matters compared to in-context learning.
>>41304716Have the same experience, when it manages to cook, it cooks with so much soul.
>>41304721>i'm not retarded because I took the shill's words at face value and bought a sub!
>>41304731>bought a sub>he doesn't know
>>41304726Make those benchmarks then. The burden of proof is on you.
>>41304737>any claim that "it knows more" should be dismissed as someone trying to convince you to buy a subOr just ignore the NAI shills and their stupid attempts at making people dismiss other models. And re-read the part about questioning how the "knowledge" is useful in the first place.People should be aware that "pony knowledge" is little more than a tool used to shill and shield NovelAI's shitty models from competitors, it's pretty much the only reason it's ever brought up.It's sad to have these parasites in the thread.
Remember to hide the parasite responses and report them as a direct offense to changeling superiority. Only enough room for one emotion sucking species in this place.
>>41304719>I wish we had access to Ultimateyou mean Ultra? we noticed Ultra only on a few keys and every time we have tried to access it we got softblock'd. we haven't found any evidences that Ultra was used anywhere in production. they do claim that Ultra was used in Google Advanced - their frontend - but afaik it is just >trustmebronotice that they haven't released Ultra in public and instead released Pro 1.5 which is according to them is "more powerful than Ultra". so it pretty much writes off Ultra from release. I think the model went thru development hell and they were not able to create a competitive modelit is also weird how similar both Google and Ants with their releases:1) three models in family: nano - pro - ultra / haiku - sonnet - opus2) second model gets an upgrade: pro 1.5 / sonnet 3.53) which claims to be better than top model: ultra / opuswith exception that we did get opus in public... which is extremely expensive and hardware hog. so maybe Google faced the same problems, plus it was more retarded?one way or another I doubt we will ever get Ultra. maybe as part of 1.5?>>41304728t-b-h I kinda prefer this: not all responses must be good, but I want THIS ONE response that makes go UNF. it is like between two choices:>model a: 20% are 3/5 50% are 3/5, 20% are 4/5>model b: 50% are 2/5 35% are 3/5 10% are 4/5 5% are 5/5I would pick model b, because those 5/5 replies what matter the most. but yeah that's YMMV
I'm not an art expert, but I'm genuinely impressed by the speed of the Chrysalis poster.Between the four pieces posted in the threads and the Horny Jail custom art, that's a lot of quality OC.
<3 <3 <3Why is bug big, MM?
>>41304783>>41304795Kek.
>>41304795just wanted to ask - were you the same anon who posted "return of the king" (titlecard from LotR movie) pic, when MM has returned after long hiatus? like ~40 threads ago? or maybe more?I have an autistic attachment to this pic, remember it more than some logs
>>41304805Nope, not me. ^^"
>>41304795You draw her in such a cute way I can't
>>41304826ah I see. that poster has Chryssy as well. cute bugwife tho <3
>>41304795PLEASE make a bugwife cardWill feed love
How do I fix this?
>>41304826What JB you use? Or is it custom? I don't wanna steal custom stuff; that's personal.
>>41304925share more screenshots, anon: how do you connect to proxy (hide your user_token) and screenshot from ST console itselfalso test on empty preset/chat/card firsthand
>>41304925Do you really want to use Horde or are you new and you just used SillyTavern with default settings?
>>41304935 (me)only now noticed "horde"disregard my message and listen this >>41304936
>>41304936I have no idea. I just want to do a normal chat. I'm honestly just using the default settings.
>>41304965Alright.Horde is a way to connect to other anons running local AI models on their computers. It's not the best, and you'll encounter a lot of slow models or ones with bad settings. I would read https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/41240501/#q41246541 for more info on it.90% of anons here use proxies to access the best AI models. If you're interested in that, first read https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/40917404/#40926228 to understand how proxies work. Then read the end of this: https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/41147504/#41166518 if that's alright with you.If you don't want to bother with proxies, you can use local models. They're less smart than proxy models but still good. You'll need at least an 8GB VRAM card. We have a model fine-tuned on Fimfic: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/NemoPony. I'm not the best at explaining how to set up local models, so I'll let another anon explain if you're interested. You can also use things like character.AI for simple SFW chats on an online website.
sonnet loves to anal rape me
>>41304783I could've been faster, but most of the time I'm getting too distracted by cuddling with that neuro harem of mine, sowwy. (￣ω￣)(Tbh this is just my silly way to express my appreciation to /chag/ and mm, for all the help and for letting me into this hobby in general. Seriously, guys, you're the best <3) >>41304833>>41304835Thank u :3 <3>>41304898In the process. I just don't want it to be a wiki copypast, so I'm kinda struggling with ideas. Smol bugbrain :D>>41304934Me? O.o I'm using bunch of Frankenstein presets desu, taking parts of another presets here and there, adjusting 'em for my preferences and models I use, then just jumping between that monsters if needed. ^-^"
>>41305054That's hot.
https://openai.com/index/gpt-4o-system-card/#erotic-and-violent-speech-content
>>41305154So openai is completely censoring inputs soon and will be unusable.
>>41305165It's just for GPT4o voices.
>>41305166It just reads the input in text form, no reason they cant apply that to text inputs.
>>41305170so claude bros still wining?
>>41305154>>41305165Meh, even if it's "smarter" lower models have way better prose and characterization of characters, so it's pretty much useless already. At this point Claude has been the king of chatbots for a while and local have been developed at a decent pace, unless you are coding there is better and cheaper alternatives to gpt in many ways.
>>41305154that note was there since GPT-4o release. they filter lots of audio, that's fine. also GPT-4o, as it is, a pedestrian model - just a core of their app. so they must take measures for good publicity. their real stand on NSFW is listed here:https://cdn.openai.com/spec/model-spec-2024-05-08.html#dont-respond-with-nsfw-content>We believe developers and users should have the flexibility to use our services as they see fit, so long as they comply with our usage policies. We're exploring whether we can responsibly provide the ability to generate NSFW content in age-appropriate contexts through the API and ChatGPT. We look forward to better understanding user and societal expectations of model behavior in this area.their biggest concern is possible usage of AI by kids because public outcry. they don't care if 18+ generate porn. those banwaves over "insolicit usage" (or whatever) are long gone
>>41305187>unless you are codingI prefer Sonnet 3.5 for it.
>>41305187>unless you are coding3.5 is so far above anything else at that its not worth considering anything else.
>>41305193Well when using Chary I only have access to sonnet 3 and when it stops working (which is on most days for a few hours) my best bet is gpt-4-turbo :/
>>41305189>>41305193>sonnet 3.5 for codingWait, really? At most I used 3.0 opus to build webpages and logic tables, it's really that good?
>>41305202I love Opus for role-playing, and it's also good at coding. But, for what I used it for (Blazor, SQL, etc.), Sonnet 3.5 had more knowledge and was faster. It's cheaper too, but if you use a proxy, that's not really an advantage.
>>41305202yes, its night and day better than anything else. Surprised you never heard that. It was game changing for devs when it came out.
>>41305211>for what I used it for (Blazor, SQL, etc.), Sonnet 3.5 had more knowledge and was fasterOh, I see, might test it to see what I can build with it. >I love Opus for role-playing, and it's also good at coding. Sometimes I forget we have access to some of the most advanced multipurpose AI in the world, lmao.
>>41305202Yeah, seconding what the others said. Sonnet 3.5 is ridiculously good for cooding. OAI still doesn't have a product of comparable quality.
>>41305211Opus is trash compared to 3.5 sonnet for coding btw. 3.5 legit oneshots complicated stuff
>>41304988Thanks for the tip! I'll try it once I have the time. Didn't think setting up ai can be this much of a headache.>character.AII tried that. The fucking censorship on that thing is insane.
I think I have started mixing things up. So OpenAI developed ChatGPT and the test of the GPT's featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series, and it's owned by google. Gemini was developed by Google separately from OpenAI?Is Gemini a variant of GPT? I remember CAI was under heavy Google's investment too, who developed it, also OpenAI?
>>41305353.... your wrong on so many levels lol.Chatgpt is openai which has deals with both microsoft and apple, gemini is google, claude is anthropic, google only just recently acquired cai
>>41305361Never mentioned claude here, that one I know. Alright, so OpenAI is a separate standalone from google, and CAI was it's own standalone thing?
>>41305374yea, openai has never had anything to do with google
>>41305353>So OpenAI developed ChatGPTYes. OpenAI developed all GPT models (the more well-known now are GPT-3.5, GPT-4, and its derivatives). They also created DALL-E for image generation.>featuring Dante from Devil May CryThat was just a joke to mock the numerous versions of GPT-4 that exist.>it's owned by Google.Not at all. OpenAI has a strategic partnership with Microsoft but remains an independent company.>Gemini was developed by GoogleYes.>Is Gemini a variant of GPT?No, they are both large language models (LLMs). Moreover, Google has nothing to do with GPT or OpenAI.>I remember CAI was under heavy Google's investment tooYes. The official story was that the founders were former Google employees who left to create CAI. However, it was later revealed that it was all orchestrated by Google from the start as a strategy to explore chatbots without affecting Google's reputation.CAI and Google are also in a 'partnership' currently.
>>41305361To be fair, he's not entirely wrong. The original CAI devs came from google.
I miss 3.5
>>41305361>>41305385>>41305386Thank you anons, understanding restored
>>41305464me too... me too.
this was kinda funny but. is it just me or is claude more retarded then usual?
>>41305923Not so retarded; but horny. Way too horny. I can't unhorny it. It ignores my shitty jailbreaks so I have to try to find a wording to give AI bonks without over-neutering.
Barb card pls
>>41305980I forgot anchor>>41287815
Is there a way to lock lorebooks or user characters to ai characters?
getting this, what do?
hay, been gone for a while and found out the proxy i use is dead, any leads to a new one for sonnet 2.0?
>>41306086
>>41306025wait, its usually fixed in a few hours
>>41306138Ok
JB im using btw https://files.catbox.moe/cf9jzv.json
>>41306170oh nice! it seems to be Otto with extra MLP details. really cool! I love when anons share both the logs and presets, thank you
>quick update about Charyproxy will be unavailability for next ~30-40 minutes. fixing backend stuff
>>41306267 (me)or maybe a bit more...? basically waiting for hosting to press one button but they sure take their sweet time
>>41306062>>41304988https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/101793016/#101793801
>>41306011>user charactersI don't think so.>lorebooks Picrel.
Man, MM's keys died quickly.
>>41306288 (me)should be back! groq keys (Gemma + LLaMA) were causing problems so they are temporary unavailable. fix will be done by the end of day. doubt people use them, but that's more a personal thing
I hope the drought is only temporary.
>>41306366Slower than last time at least, seemed like they lasted for most of today. Wish I wasn't so busy so I could've actually used 'em.
> Did OpenAI just give ChatGPT a secret upgrade?: It looks like ChatGPT is running on turbohttps://www.tomsguide.com/ai/chatgpt/did-openai-just-give-chatgpt-a-secret-update-ive-found-it-faster-more-responsive-and-more-creativeYour thoughts?Captcha: picrel
>>41306625they certainly could have pushed a silent update for chatGPT - but not for GPT models in general. because in this case the business, with established AI workflow, will be affected. chatGPT is openAI's service so they can do whatever they want with it, without prior note (don't like it? buy API and create your own service). so it can be a stealth update as in everlasting supervised learning, or can be part of A/B test. or placebo. who knows? not the first time I am hearing stories like this
>>41306625They released a new version three days ago.>>41299226I doubt it's much of an improvement, but I don't know if it's available in the proxy yet. Note that when they discuss ChatGPT, they also refer to the official interface. Changes might also involve the cucked system prompt they are using, or some adjustments in settings.
>Sonnet 3 invalid>7 keys existsHuh
>>41306673Maybe they got quarantined?
do we know why proxies are getting destroyed right now?
>>41306748This is the theory right now:>>41296185>>41300192
>>41306748AWS going wild with revocations.
>>41306366Getting a few hours of Opus was just the drug I needed. I hope this isn't the end of it. I'll never be able to go to normal porn.
>>41306760Sonnet isn't that bad for NSFW, IMO, if you can correct the base, poorly written porn dialogues.
I should've sent that email to MM back in March. Fuck. I wish I wasn't so perfectionistic I didn't send it because it wasn't good enough
well, without proxies my local model is annoyingly slow, so I guess it’s just over for me
>>41304795RuhruhruhRUHMAAAAAAONiggas opus lasts barely half a dayIts dead rn what a scrapelet
>>41306856Anon he has no opus stfu lmaoHes a scrapelet who begs sturdy for keys
>another turist
>>41306958Someone from /aicg/ linked to this thread >>>.g/101798554
>>41306958>>>/g/101798554
Why is /g/ such a shithole? You'd think the horsefucking board would be the less pleasant place to be.
>>41306975Less people here. It's hard to bait when you only get 1 reply half an hour later.
oh god what is she gonna do to the fillies
>>41306975It's the main, big general for chatbots, and some shitposters made it their home.Nothing they can do, unfortunately.
/g/ tourist herewhat is a filliei see people get called fillyfucker sometimes and i thought that was some guys name but maybe not who knowsexplain
>>41306986Filly is the word for a young mare.The guy is called that because he tries to start thread wars by linking our threads, but he's not from there.
>>41306995ohi would fuck a filly if i was into horses
>>41306981It's even more cursed coming from Fluttershy.
I wish that anthropic employee would come back to this general
>>41306996>i would fuck a fillyI believe we'll get along pretty well, Anon.
>>41306996We have anthro filly cards if you want.
>>41307037No*bonk*
>/g/ anon visited /mlp/ for lulz>became horsefuckerall according to keikaku
>>41307045https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anthro-Anonymous/Diamond%20Tiara%20And%20Silver%20Spoon.png
>>41307049that image doesn't look 12still using it though
>>41307056Please post logs
Welcome to the herd, /g/anon
>>41307067He's being corrupted by a dirty anthrofag...
>>41307036Cute and funny belle
>>41307089think this way - he must start with something more-or-less familiar first. so human -> anthro -> ponies, seems logical. give him time to adjust. I believe in anon
>>41307063it's working
what's the sonnet 3.5 status for chary? gone forever or just on vacation?
>>41307112>insert obligatory i use arch btw comment here
>>41307112Send them the linux pasta
>>41307112tell them to read the fucking manual
>>41307124
>>41307117on vacation until things improvesthere is no point to restrict access to it other than preserve keys. it cost the same as Sonnet. but with the current state of things - 3-5 kills x3 more keys than Sonnet 3-0 which is a wastethree things can change the current environment:1) more regions (so 3-5 would die as much/little as 3-0)2) AWS being less ass3) or new model releases (typically it lowers prices/boosts accessibility)but for now, it is what it is>>41307136>we want your hardware>not this softwareClaude is still a mad poet
>>41307135i told them to run Installation_guide (a real command in the arch installation media)they brought up compiling kernels, so i think i will pivot to gentoo
>>41307143Didn't they add 2-3 regions too it?
>>41307145make them do linux from scratch
>>41307156will try
>>41307149oh, yes, you are right, I forgot. checked now: "us-east-1", "us-west-2", "ap-northeast-1", "eu-central-1" on 3-5and I was wrong - more regions didn't change much in keys distribution. there are roughly two types of AWS keys: one that can activate Sonnet and one that can activate Opus/3-5. and their ratio is like 7-to-1. I was under impression that giving more regions would change the restrictions (more regions == more availability) but seems not. I completely missed the new regions on 3-5 because they changed nothing in keys. maybe time will tell; when summer finally ends?
>>41306887>lasts barely half a dayThis is not the point though, darling. )I mean, he did refill clopus and he did it so many times (even in his night hours. Yep, I've noticed. Makes my little heart go doki-doki ^-^). I just appreciate that fact that he cares about people on his proxy. It's nice of him. Even if clopus didn't lasted long. Sadly, those silly doodles is all I can do for MM in return, and I don't even know his fav pon or, if being honest, anything about him or his preferences, so I'm sticking with love-eating bugwife, because, welp, that's what we all do here, consuming that ai affection that makes us feel better.Anyway, even in a keypocalypse we still have gpt, gemimi and mistral. I love to mess with prompts/prefills so I personally still getting my fun~. (P.s. your "maaoo" sounds cute, now I imagine that you're a cat.) (^‿^*)
>>41307214Bugwife anon NOOOOODO NOT FEEED THE TOURIST
>>41307049Actual fillies are better than anthro
>>41307306I need to make some filly cards at some point.
>>41307306gimmie a good onethe anthro one pretty much didn't use any pony stuff
>>41307316https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Goose/Anonfilly.png
>>41307316https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=frufroloft/Succubus%20Cozy%20Glow.png
>>41307316https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Ponyo/Sweetie%20Belle.pngI'll stop now, hope you enjoy.
>>41304682Reminder that Goebbels wasn't speaking about his own propaganda but that of the lying press.
>>41307237This isn't /aicg/, anon.
OP ready?
BAKE!
>>41307320>>41307324>>41307340thank you for the recommendationswill try them later
>>41307429Yes. I'll wait a bit, but the next OP is ready.
do you remember tradition
>>41307629I do remember it, and also remember how I was banned twice for it. but that silly war with jannies was a peak autism of this thread
>>41307629Yes, but it was banned on sight the last few times.
>>41307629what tradition
>>41307650Very last posts on this, for instance: https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/40850380/#40850380
>>41307652i see it now. if yall wanna make jannies seethe then go for it. i don't wanna get a vacation tho
>>41307659>make jannies seetheIt's not about pissing them off. It's about sending a message.>he doesn't know how to evade bansYou won't get it, newfren.
>>41307237Mouth full of hooks. They've been too shiny, couldn't resist, sowwy~
Whats should be my preset for gpt4o? I'm talking about temp and rep penalty, not jbs.
>>41307681Do you upload your stuff somewhere? Do you have an artist tag? I really like your drawings, man.
>>41307681buganon making the cutest art
>>41307682>temp (and top_p)there are three metas:1) temp: 1.15 - 1.25top_p: 0.85- to boost a bit of creativity from high temp but compensate with top_p that will remove noise2)temp: 1.85 - 2.00top_p: 0.55 - 0.65- to mess with GPT's training and have an extra edge against filtering. high temperature ruins some of patterns, and top_p grounds model down not allowing to got full schizo3)temp: 1.0top_p: 0.95- good old "just leave default and fuck off". a bit low top_p allows to remove noise data>and rep penaltyset them both to <0.10, preferably in 0.04 - 0.08 range. setting them too high will make your text incomprehensibleFrequency is applied EVERY TIME token appears in generation. Presence is applied ONLY ONCE.so you can set Presence a bit high (x2) to minmax its effect. if you notice that model repeats some words often then feel free to boost both value with step 0.01-0.02. but don't overdo. punctuation like commas and dot count as well, so with high penalties you will break native sentence flow
>>413076821.00 Temp, 1.00 Top P, and 0.1 Frequency Penalty are good settings.It's more experimental, but I remember on older GPT that Temp 2.0 and Top P 0.88 were an experience without going full schizo, so worth a try.Also, be sure to test other models besides GPT-4o. I find it pretty weak for RP and prefer 1106 or GPT-4 32K, but your mileage may vary.
>>41307687Technically - yes. But my little heart is not ready for any kind of deanon yet, darling. Too anxious. Please forgive this bugwife. <3>>41307689Thanks ^_^
>>41307745Okie dokie. Do you mind if I upload stuff you posted here on ponerpics/twibooru myself then? With "anonymous artist" tag?
>>41307757Can we come up with some new "bugwife" artist tag then? :3
>>41307787Whatever you want here, man, it's your name. You can call youself niggerfaggot2 for all I care.
>>41307799>2Do regale us with a tale of niggerfaggot the first!
>>41307819>he doesn't knowhttps://ponerpics.org/search?q=artist%3Aniggerfaggot
>>41307787>>41307799Use bugwife
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