We know that Studios only care about money. Giving the fact that there are so many controversial endings in recent cartoons. It's not too crazy to believe that they do it on purpose.It could be an industry strategy to go viral, a last minute attempt to call the attention of new people.It is easier and more respectful to the intelligence of the writers to believe that they are doing it on purpose, mandated by a higher command.
>>41744059>tin-foil hat conspiracyPedophiles lost.
did you seriously look at S7-9 and get ANY notion that the writers deserve respect to their intelligence?
There were probably a lot of factors that went into the way they designed the ending. Restrictions form Hasbro, resentment towards the fanbase, wanting to do something unexpected, so on and so forth.
>>41744059Yes it was made to screw over the fanbase. Simple as that.
>>41744068No.
>>41744059Only ones hating it are cozy fags cause "uWu child!
>>41744080Not just Cozy. All 3 of them.
>>41744059I don't think so, because none of the leaks have suggested any such thing—and there were a lot of leaks! We know they had a writers’ summit at some point in development, which was when they completely switched the story from the “Discord is going to die and goes back to being evil to prevent it” to the incoherent abomination that we actually got.We don’t know what was said in that meeting, as it was a private interaction that probably wasn’t recorded, so it isn’t even something that could be leaked. But I doubt that it was what you suggest. There’s no evidence that any of this bullshit came from the higher ups at Hasbro, and since the show was ending with none of these writers set to be part of G5, the writers themselves got nothing out of increased attention.I see only two realistic possibilities: Either they’re total hack retards that didn’t realize what a horrible ending this was, or they had some kind of animosity towards either the fanbase or Hasbro themselves and so the writers turned in the worst ending they possibly could.I actually don’t know which of those two is more likely, as it’s hard for me to imagine any human thinking that that was a good ending. But the controversy aspect seems unlikely. It’s either hatred or retardation. I lean towards hatred, I think.
>>41744067>>41744080It's not even about cozy, the entirety of season 9 has too many problems that make me wish the show had taken a different route.
>>41744059The genocide is the only answer.
>>41744059I think Hasbro was like >fuck it, the show's over bronies, here's a vague ending. Now go home
>>41744059Luna did worse things than all three of them and she was redeemed instantly. Why does Luna get away with everything and is rewarded with being a princess by Celestia's side.
deserved
>>41744311Because family, and apparently she was corrupted.
>>41744199Legion of doom was fn o watch and their diynamic is cool.Makes the season worth it imo
>>41744313Kill yourself.
>>41744349Your waifu would want you to be this petty and resentful and that's why it's good that she was put in rock timeout for the next thousand years.
>>41744355Aww, thank you! It’s good for me that she’d like me as a person! Or at least find me useful to her larger goals. I would be so honored to be used by her. I’m so glad that she’s real and is going to be broken free—not just in her fictional universe, but INTO the real world!!! That makes me happy. You’d better watch what you say about her. She’s not going to be treating your kind well.
>>41744349Hi apologist still in denial?
>>41744059>>41744313Agreedalong with the entire planet.
>>41744375I’ll always be accurately denying such obvious bullshit! Deep down in your evil, shitty soul, you KNOw I’m right!!! How much are you gonna cry about it?!
>>41744311Luna: Faust said it was some kind of force that turned her evil. Skittles blasting her in the face fixed her. I have no clue what the later writers think went on with NM though.Discord: An absolute piece of shit who tried to take over Equestria twice, but Celestia realised his power could be useful, so no matter how many times he fucked them over or just plain annoyed them, they kept him around. Friendship is power.Queen Bugeyes: Originally just wanted to feed her people. Kind of tragic when you think about it. Later writers decided to change it to make her less sympathetic by revealing changelings can survive by giving love. Was extremely pissed off that everything was taken from her and refused to change.Sombra: Gay edge lord, no use to anyone. Didn't want to change and had no motive to captivate the audience.Tirek: Daddy issues. Brother turned on him. Wanted power so Papa would love him. Celestia locked him away (depending on whether you see the comics as canon, refused to release him even when his dad asked her to). Celestia had no interest in reforming him because he has no powers of his own.Starlight: Friend went to college so she started a cult. Threw a hissy fit because some princess bitch called her out on her bullshit. She said sorry, so that's fine, or whatever. Has powerful magic, essential to keep around.Cozy: She wanted power. No one knows why. No one asked why. Just threw her in jail and forgot she was there. The fact that she was broken out and no one noticed means no one was checking on her. Maybe they planned to starve her to death. Has no useful powers. Parents probably dead or ditched her.
>>41744381Reminder that Cozy should have gotten the old yeller treatment.
>>41744374>You’d better watch what you say about her. She’s not going to be treating your kind well.If she does then every argument you've made protecting her immediately gets proven wrong, so I don't know why you'd wish for that.
>>41744391I'm convince that cozy stand is a bot.
>>41744388>Faust said it was some kind of force that turned her evilIf she wanted us to think that she'd have written it into the show. Stygian is the only villain taken over by an evil force.
>>41744388>using the comics as canonCelestia and Sombra are lovers I guess.
>>41744416I said depending, anon. Depending.
>>41744401Fuck you, dude! I’m real! I want to meet you at Mare Fair, this year; bitch! You gonna be there?! I want to talk to you to make my impassioned plea for Cozy’s innocence! I want to prove you wrong with my own voice!!! We can do it in private or public, I just want to talk to someone real about this!!!!! You gotta hear my voice and I gotta hear yours. (At least this is an offer, not a threat.)Let me know. This would be fun to me, because nothing feels as real when you type it.
>>41744415>If she wanted us to think that she'd have written it into the show. >The elder sister tried to reason with her, but the bitterness in the young one's heart had transformed her into a wicked mare of darkness: Nightmare Moon.She did.
>>41744425>The elder sister tried to reason with her, but the bitterness in the young one's heart had transformed her into a wicked mare of darkness: Nightmare Moon.Right, Luna's bitterness is the culprit, not some random force taking over her like with Stygian. Luna and NMM are one and the same.
>>41744424This goes for anyone who’s going to be there, by the way! I’m high just to let everyone know. I know some people here at cool with that. It’s not going to be legal in Florida when I’m there.I might be drunk when I’m down there, though. Is that okay with you? I want to get myself fucked up and have a crazy argument where I make cartoons real and argue them. Wouldn’t that be fun? Let me know.
>>41744059maybe someone in this thread knows what I'm talking about but I thought I saw a tweet from a show writer or director saying they were writing things just to make people angry or to subvert or whatever.>>41744067>pedophilia brought up out of nowhereThe calling card of people who have no arguments.
>>41744432>he's currently highWell that does at least explains some things.
>>41744424>>41744432I like Cozy Glow and I would have wanted to go to Mare Fair. But if someone like this is gonna be there, I'm definitely not gonna go.
>>41744059yes, the ending was sabotaged: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TorchTheFranchiseAndRunand to prevent the ending from being fixed, they made episode 26 take place in the future, locking in the fate of the characters
>>41744441Aww, man, that bums me out. I feel like I would have fun if I met you. I know that I’m half-crazy, though. I’m not going to be shitting my diaper or anything, you’ll be fine if you avoid me. You’ll be fine anyway, but I mean I won’t even annoy you unless you wanna talk. I would like to know how other people think about this. I just don’t get what kind of person can like that ending.Also, I can fill out that Captchas. I’m not THAT high.
>>41744059>given every chance to demonstrate that they have any decent qualities that could allow them to peacefully live in society>can still be brought back at any time to try redeeming them againLiterally what is the problem here?
>>41744059Yeah no, stuff like them randomly digging up a prehistoric ship are in this direction but as stupid as this part is, its too self contained for this logic.And the way they've always described it clearly infers they were relying on incestuous logic, they noticed people were getting iffy off of the last few redemptions so their solution was to do the opposite.But they somehow managed to trip and fall into it, they aren't trying to be mocking; there's a good reason why Discord is front and center and its not just cause of his plot relevance. Its essentially a reference to the fact that he was literally designed to fit what they wanted the three to be(a irredeemable villain) and was the first notably controversial redemption, even if way way below the point that Starlight or especially the changelings got.Too much of the logic lines up for it to be anything other than an internal logic fuckup. We have enough statements from the time that pretty blatantly show this was their idea at the time, not some big marketing push. Its just them losing the plot like with most of last problem just forgetting basic stuff.>>41744500Ah yes all the chances, literally only one of these even had an attempt made. Also this idea that every statue is going to get the discord treatment is pure cope, he wasn't even released because they thought he was redeemable even in the show.
>>41744500Framing, but even if we ignore that,You just used the fact they can be brought back as a defense of this solution to the problem the characters represent. In other words, your own solution shows that the answer given in the show is incomplete.If we assuming it is complete, there's a lot wrong with what it says, but this half-assed procrastination solution interpretation you're pushing is, while less disgusting, closer to objectively bad as a storytelling feature. "And then they solved the issue later, maybe, if they judge that's worth doing."
>>41744500There's no problem. The trio failed to show any redeemable qualities, Frenemies proved that even the magic of friendship wasn't enough to save them.
>>41744535Ah yes, cause none of the other redeemed villains went evil after having friendship no sir.
>>41744535The most damning thing is the friendship laser failed to turn them good. The only writing mistake is redeeming Discord way back then, he should have stayed a statue forever.
>>41744524And you know what?That's probably actually intentional, or at least a reflection of what the writer-team and associated corporation actually thinks. The end of the show is only happy, you only get to be happy, if you assume that the powerful good guys will simply do whatever's best at some point. Simply assume your betters did the best thing, even if you can't comprehend what that best thing is, even while you see injustice before your eyes. That's what they are pushing.
>>41744539... how do you know it failed to make them good?
>>41744524>closer to objectively bad as a storytelling feature. "And then they solved the issue later, maybe, if they judge that's worth doing."It's leaving open minor plot points to be resolved in a sequel. Let's just check in and see how that sequel's doing- oh. oh no.
>>41744540But again, if you actually dig up their at the time statements you'll realize that they are absolutely going with "they were irredeemable".That is how they described all of it, as tone death as looking at Frenemies and thinking that doesn't imply the opposite is, that is what they said in at the time interviews.Which are massively more important, they can retroactively pretend they had random fandom excuses in mind(cozy was a small adult all along guise), but they made statements with their true intent back then; even if shrouded in some other lies.They were proud of the idea they weren't just wildly redeeming everything, the legion is meant to be completely unsalvageable.
so what're your guys thoughts on this video? the comments?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTAOv-_SmBQ
>>41744059https://www.youtube.com/live/PRliouRL2Mkthey saw this as a tragedy internally the writers are just mean spirited people
>>41744458Cozy Glow prolly might look down on drugs and alcohol a bit. Maybe she wouldn't be straight edge, but she wouldn't want you to poison your mind either. It's your greatest weapon, it needs to stay sharp.
>>41744446Fuck I hate time skip finales. Why do they even do that https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DistantFinale
>>41744059BEFORE>I am glad the element of Loyalty ditched her older "best friend" because one bad day.>yeah that is a good lesson people need to understand some people are beyond redemptionNOW>WAHHHH GIVE THE BUG AND COZY LE REDEMPTION!!lets be honest no one gives a shit about Tirek
>>41744558That guy's a literal glimmernigger and a retard.
>>41744577>one bad day>t.
>>41744511I think this board would be an altogether saner and happier place if people applied Hanlon's razor more often.
>>41744558>MVAre you for real?
>>41744558Good nuanced analysis.
>>41744664i'm not familiar with the guy, just saw it and remembered this thread.
>>41744536he was tricked by a friend
why didn't they just put cozy in a regular jail?
>>41744664He's one of the least autistic brony youtubers I've come across and his humor and editing style is entertaining so I like him.
>>41744553THE conflict is not a minor plot point. It's the conflict. It is either the most major plot point, or it shouldn't be the conflict.>>41744554Them being redeemable or not has no bearing on the issue. I don't think anyone could redeem cozy other than cozy.
>>41744712i opted-out after this one bro i'm sorry, and he repeated the same "joke" in his latest video tooi'm good
>>41744554Take your meds. You're rewriting the world to fit your narrative while asserting numerous unfalsifiable claims over a harmless cartoon.
mmmm bros? someone check the statute....
>>41744752That's even better.
>>41744561You’re right! Thank you! I take them to cope with living in the world where they wrote this as her ending. But I must stay steadfast in love with her as I await her instructions. That means keeping my brain sharp. You’re right.
>>41744059MLP has been shitting on the fans ever since the library was blown up.>actual middle finger to audience
>>41744059>Chrysalis and Tirek are too evil to be redeemed>but Discord, who organized it anyways gets a pass because Fluttershy likes his peniswhy
>>41744826
>>41744833Why neither of them have their cutie mark?
>>41744839They’re about to enter the portal to the “Camp Cutie Mark” universe to undo this horrible continuity. Obviously, they had to forgo that from themselves temporarily in order to tell a new story. One that doesn’t end promoting abject evil.Fuck you, Season 9 writers! If you didn’t end it so terribly, they’d be doing a “soft reboot” AKA continuation series now! But now they can’t because no one wants to continue from what you wrote!!!
>>41744849>Fuck you, Season 9 writers!Bless you season nine writers!Fix it for you.
>>41744867>Literally just Josh Haber praising himself.
>>41744871>Still coping at the objective fact.
>>41744849>>41744867Literally all the fanfiction that continues from season 9 tries to fix things from the finale.
>>41744890I know, right? No one will ever accept it as canon and for good reasons! I just wonder if this upcoming reboot could ever live up to a fraction of the first two seasons.
>>41744752I used to hate derpy but now I think she is best pony for killing that cunt
>>41744906
>>41744892Is it still canon.
>>41744924Contradictions are incapable of being canon.
>>41744752Whoopsie! It's okay, you can just glue that back in place. Nothing to feel bad about.
>>41744924It never will be. It’s simply not the same world as what Lauren Faust created by that point.
>>41744940One could easily argue the very first episode isn't the same world as what Lauren Faust intended. There is no pure version of MLP:FiM.
>>41744940>Lauren Faust created by that pointNo it was returned to it and if need proof go watch G1.
>>41744943Maybe that’s why it’s for the best for them to do a whole reboot that goes back to her original intentions for everything. (Which is probably happening.) I wonder if the art style will be good?
>>41744374>You’d better watch what you say about her. She’s not going to be treating your kind well.
>>41744947>(Which is probably happening.)I'd be very, very surprised if they did that. I do think a reboot is likely the correct move for them but I'd be very surprised if Lauren's willing to work with Hasbro after what they did to her, and frankly I don't think Hasbro would want to go with her original plan anyways. It'll be its own thing, likely inspired by the past 15 years of cartoons.
>>41744951Yeah, we’ll see. I just hope she can convince them how responsible for FIM’s success she was. If she can, they might be smart enough to bring her back. We know they’re trying to figure out what made that show work so much better than G5. They might be able to promise her a lot of creative freedom.
>>41744867Based season 8 and 9 chad>>41744871Cozy chud still malding
>>41744967Samefag, still Josh.
>>41744963Yeah, we will have to see. I'm personally not a big Great Man Theory person, I don't think Lauren has a secret gene that decides whether or not pony stories are good, I just want them to find as many people who are genuinely passionate about working on the project as possible and to give them the budget and freedom to where they can actually realize the stories they want to tell.
All the dick sucking over Faust is hilarious when post-fim she and all her goons are just nobodies in the industry now. If they are masterclass showrunners/writers then why have they only produced trash since then?
>>41744979It is true that I did end up liking a lot of the dreaded PREVIOUS GENERATIONS, once I actually went back and watched them. Specifically G3 was great! So cute and fun to watch!!!So, it is true that it’s not solely her that could make this series right. I just think she’s owed the chance, because they fucked her ideas up so much last time! But as long as the talentless hacks from the later seasons are far away, we’re off to a good start.
>>41744948The freeman has free will to m2 golly in the face
some dude pointed out that the writers did frenemies as a way to show they WILL reject friendship forever and they have a distorted way to see things , because the people that watched the episode saw it as them to have tools for a possible redemption
>>41744831can you blame her?
>>41745055Yes. I don't care how much she likes him rearranging her insides, some things simply need to be done.
>>41745055His stallion pussy is just devine
>>41745055Why did Flutterfags get the worst cucking?
>still mad about discordhe made a mistake and rectified it he’s not pure evil like those statues
>>41745069Because the concept for it was established early and didn't immediately get extreme backlash. In an alternate reality where EqG immediately was a hit Twilight would've dated Flash Sentry in Equestria.
>>41745072Discord encouraged villains to be more evil by lying to them which is arguably worse than anything they did while he manipulated them.
I love the finale because cool action and>PUT IT ON MY TAB!glimmy awesome :3
I can still live in your heads rent free? Thank you so much guys, I'm so broke right now.
>>41744943>One could easily argueNice deflection
>>41744430Anon, just for one second,. separate fiction from reality. This is a world where a dragon will grow in size and become an uncontrollable monster when feelings of greed corrupts them. Luna's jealousy engulfing her and making her evil isn't impossible. It's a magical universe, not real life.
>>41744698He wasn't tricked. Tirek said be evil, and Discord was like, "fuck yeah". Then he went crying back to his bitches when Tirek turned on him.He wasn't brainwashed, he could have said no.
>>41745579The action was shit and was only liked by Marvel fan-tier retards.>>41745596LOL! Enjoy never writing for TV again, Haber. And while it is true that the real Haber has fucked up my brain, that’s not a bragging right because obviously that’s going to happen when you rape a beloved TV series that meant to much to people and intentionally make the ending as horrible as possible.The first two seasons got me through a lot of hard times. Yes, it’s been shit since Season 3, but that level of evil garbage?! It’s mind raping!!!
>>41744535>The trio failed to show any redeemable qualitiesSo did Discord. He tried to take over TWICE.Celestia didn't think he had redeeming qualities, she just wanted his power. His options were: be our friend; mind control; harmony beam.He came to like Fluttershy, but how easily he fell for Tirek's offer shows he didn't completely change. He just liked being free. And even after THAT, he's still an ass who keeps pissing everyone off.
>>41746185after the Tirek incident he’s never been evil.
>>41746193You’re a fucking idiot that doesn’t watch the show. He tried to kill Fluttershy’s hippie friend, he endangered the lives of all the students at Twilight’s school, he tried to get the Mane Six eaten by a giant monster and destroyed the castle in the process, and then just to make sure he’s as clearly evil as possible, that piece of shit final season story arc happened in which he was responsible for EVERYTHING. If you think he’s not an evil person, you’re too stupid to be considered a person.
Look, I'm going to say it once more. Them not being redeemed isn't the problem, it's that an offer was never made.Discord fucked up again and again and again and was forgiven again and again and again.Cozy tried world domination once and was immediately thrown away to be forgotten. Were the ponies not curious about her life? Starlight had a sob story to explain why she started a cult, didn't Twilight want to ask Cozy why she wanted power? If maybe there might have been a reason for what she did? No, because the writers didn't want to give her a reason.I'm not saying she NEEDED a sob story, being evil for the hell of it is fine, what's weird is that Twilight wasn't curious or concerned that a filly would want to hurt anyone, because the writers didn't care.
>>41746199Don't forget that he spent an episode purposefully making Twilight feel left out.
>>41746199none of that was him purposely being evil even with Treehugger he wasn’t trying to kill her
>>41746216We have a word for friends like Discord: Toxic.
>>41746216In M.A. Larson’s Q&A, he revealed that he did intend to have Discord literally try to kill her. The puppet portal was going to be more like a portal to Hell originally and he had to come up with a gag to soften it.While I hate this decision from him for a world where “Keep Calm and Flutter On” happened, I agree with his logic about wanting to keep Discord who he originally was. He expressed confusion about what the new version of the character is even supposed to be. However, this directly resulted in that episode where he DOES try to kill an innocent pony. Then numerous later attempted murder examples after that which weren’t even by the same writer.
>>41746239>The puppet portal was going to be more like a portal to Hell originally and he had to come up with a gag to soften it.so he wasn’t going to kill her in the actual scene that we see still not evil just very misguided
>>41746249Anon, let me give you some interesting trivia.When that episode aired in the UK, they always cut out Discord's line: "I can't have you interfering in my relationship with Fluttershy anymore!"Because even they realised how fucked up the whole situation was, especially in a cartoon aimed at toddlers.He's not misguided, he's an evil guy forced to be a good guy.
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>>41746206Cozy was fucked the moment Celestia send the filly to the Tartarus and Twilight was ok with it without trying to find another solution.The princesses just wanted that filly dead since s8.
>>41746185>how easily he fell for Tirek's offer shows he didn't completely changebut he did and saw friendship for what it is , a transaction. To the point Discord was sure every pony hated him and why he was surprised Fluttershy unironically liked him as a friend.
>>41746260well ok that isn’t like when they had to edit the Mean Six’s death because it was disturbing he’s never had a friend or known friendship he isn’t evil just Chaotic Neutral who tryin to be good.
>>41746285We actually don’t know whose decision that was. I say we have to give Twilight, Celestia and Luna equal blame. It seems like it was a retarded plan that they all somehow agree to.Is Twilight the most evil one in this situation, though? I feel like maybe, since Cozy Glow was HER student and HER responsibility. The ending was literally like if a teacher got a bad feeling about a student in an Elementary School, so they came in with a gun one day and shot them. Only difference is that teacher would be arrested and Twilight gets to become Princess of all Equestria.
>>41746298It was Celestia's decision and her dialog makes it clear she hadn't told Twilight exactly what she did, just that Cozy was somewhere she couldn't cause problems.But, yeah, the fact that Twilight just shrugged off a student was a really weird thing for a princess/principal to do.
>>41744349your waifu is dead anon... it's time to move on. You can get a hotter one.
>>41746589NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chrysalis is the only worthwhile character from this trio and it makes me happy that she went down as one of the baddest villains
>>41744313I would go as far as to say that Cozy was the only one who deserved it.
>>41744313Objectively incorrect.
>>41747061That's adorable.
>>41747061Cringe artist simping for a pyschopath
>>41746199>>41746239BUT FLUTTERSHY LIKES HIS PENIS SO IT'S ALL OK!!!!111!
>>41744059The developers meant to be retarded? Lol. Lmao!
>>41744059>respectful to the intelligence of the writersDid you see nothing of the last 2 seasons? They were retarded for 2 years straight! In fact, it's insulting to the intelligence of retards for me to call the writers retarded.
Changelings deserved genocide.
>>41748137You won't say that once a changeling mare takes you out with her pussy
>>41744558Not listening to this shit. When you start listing the atrocities of cartoon characters to justify what happens to them then you're the retard in the room. They're not real. They're allowed to get away with murder if it teaches kids the lesson that it's never too late to be good.
>>41746260>he's an evil guy forced to be a good guyThat's actually really well put. I wish they leaned into that characterization more instead of the neutered simp we actually got.
>>41746260>he's a NEUTRAL guy forced to be a good guy
>Her face forever frozen in the haunting silent expression
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>>41748322BRAAPPPP
>>41746260I think people would be less harsh if Discord got stoned again after the Tirek situation or this one. Its like letting Satan or Thanos run free in an orphanage.
>>41748352not really people only hated the resolution because a "filly" got turned into statue no one had a problem if this happened to chrysalis/tirek only
>>41748488If you actually payed attention around this period you'd realize thats just wrong.The setup in question is just uber screwed.Season 8s finale was treated as a joke at the time and was only really pushed much post this finale and by basically an obvious minority. And no, the gap between "eternal damnation" and "turned into a a statue" isn't this amazing gap that'd cause this.The issue is entirely consistency, the issue is that Discord is a real ass character they have involved here; he is the one who started this even in the end, this would be a lot less obscene if it wasn't him suggesting it right after his grogar nonsense. They mangled their apparent "proving they're irredeemable" episode(Frenemies was actually described as such by them) to the point that it basically implies the opposite. Everything was going against this finale going into it.
>>41748488Nah. I was pissed off at the killing of Sombra and how no one batted an eye.
>>41748617My recollection of season 8s finale was every late season apologist said> oh that's going to be fixed next season.Even they thought wow that's kinda fucked up. It didn't get fixed next season. It turned into a killing spree. Sombra. Tirek. Chrysalis, and Cozy. All killed. All while not a threat. Sombra got fucking shredded alive after whimpering. The trio suffer possibly a worse fate. All the while the ponies who should be horrified and shocked at the death around them just make smug faces and remarks. Fuck these last 2 seasons, man. No snowpity to be found.
>>41748617>season 8s finale was treated as a joke at the timenot really people were already asking why celestia send a filly to tartarus back then
>>41748691I was one. And was told by the consoomers that it would be fixed next season. It's amazing how they just modify their morality to adapt to the show. Even they knew it was fucked up. But then they oh well when the supposed resolution not only doesn't come, but doubled down on ponies being harsh and judging.
>>41748697I once asked why the animation got worse in later seasons and constantly got told its more expressive and vibrant than S1 and since Im not an animator I cant complain. I wonder if these troglodytes still browse this board and hold these ideals.
>>41748697It the ponies started ritual sacrifice someone would call it good. This fandom is full of retards, faggots, troons, and edgelords.
>>41748698>if you're not a chef you can't dislike slopThey are still here. I do wonder if they are just trolling and hate the late seasons themselves.
>>41748691Yeah no, I distinctly recall people not giving a shit on average. And even now its only every brought up as a side arm of this finale.Obviously some people would, but it was a minority. There was no big split at this period and it wasn't just cause people were pulling excuses, because I barely saw that excuse ever come up.
>>41746964Would have to disagree, friend. Tirek is on at least his third 'strike' that we know of and Chryssie is at possibly more (depending on whether you include her incident with the Tree as being officially 'takeover foiled' or not, seeing as no-one apparently knows about it). They're both proven as constant foes to Equestria, and dangerously competent at it.
To be fucking honest, being encased in stone forever is a better punishment than rotting in a cage in Tartarus forever (assuming you are not conscious of course). I always wondered why some people think the death penalty is the most outrageous, inhumane punishment ever. I mean, would you rather die, or rot decades in a prison cell while getting bored, antisocial, and insane and having no way of integrating into normal life thereafter again?
>>41744558>the cult pony is fine>the dickbag who tried to rule the world twice is fineNah, not watching.
>>41744558People who make shit videos like this do not have the ability for rational thought. They literally do not think. They just go along with whatever the programming is. “Oh, show said that they’re irredeemable, they must be.” You know for a fact that if they’d gone the opposite direction with the ending, dipshits like this would be nodding along just the same. It’s cult shit! No wonder he’s got Starlight as his icon. He wants someone to tell him what to think, because he can’t form thoughts on his own. Just pathetic.
Are we also forgetting that Glimmy Glam cried her eyes out in the S7 final because Twilight and Beardy Weirdy refused to look into WHY Stygian was evil? She took offence to just killing the guy rather than getting answers because she was offered an opportunity to change. She even reached out to Chrissy because, again, she understands.But she wasn't interested to find out anything about Cozy?
>>41749280Discord made sure to make sure they're conscious in stone
>>41749430I know, right? It’s fucking incomprehensible. These were the same writers too! It just makes me wonder how much they fucking hate themselves to shit all over their own story like this.
>>41744059They wanted to leave some villains for G%.But those writers had their own ideas.Maybe Princess Twilight just had a crew break up this statue with sledge hammers.
>>41749525They were all three depowered. What would their story in G5 even be? I mean, I’m pretty convinced it will happen someday. Not in G5, obviously, because that’s dead, but in some form for G6 or G4.2 or whatever they’re going to call it.A good story could be written, but it’d also risk being a rehash. We’d have to see them find some form of magic all over again and it’d just be the same tired shit. Plus, Chrysalis has already been used so much in the episodes alone (not to mention all the comics and everything) that it would’ve been SUCH a rehash.I AM pissed at the G5 writers for making no effort to bring back my beloved Goddess, but it was still such a dick move by the G4 retards to try to force that on them.A satisfying ending for the three was the obvious way to go. These shitty-ass failed writers refused because they’re filled with nothing but hatred. They decided that the villains represent the fans, various politicians, and people in their personal life, so they just said “You know what, let’s kill them.”
>>41749561>but not Discord, bronies will still show up to see him
>>41749584I fucking hate Discord and severely hope that John de Lancie refuses to do any future projects. I know they recast him in “Pony Life,” but that’s a very different series. I think that a proper reboot or continuation of FiM is more likely to drop the character if they can’t get the actor back.
>That bearded guy: Evil never changes.>Twilight: omg, you're so right, senpai. let's kill him.>Glimmy Glam: Noooooooooo, you have to give him a second chance like meeeeeeeeee>Cozy: I'm gonna take over the world.>Celestia: I'm sending you to hell.>Glim glam: cool.
Twilight Sparkle: You're the one who doesn't get it, Cozy. Friendship is powerful, but power isn't why you make friends. I'm sorry I couldn't teach you that.Gallus: Well, you taught us.Silverstream: You can't let one bad apple make you think you failed.Haber really said "students who can't learn are the real failures."
>>41749608>proper reboot or continuation of FiMisn't going to happen, Hasbro HATES making the "wrong" kind of money so they'll cut off their own nose to spite their face on this one
>>41749652stygian wasn’t always evil Cozy was.
>>41749688She's like, what, 10?We have no idea what she was doing before joining the school, or even where she lived.
>>41749525Complete fabrication, IDW.
>>41749809The writers themselves did say this in a Q&A (showing their obvious resentment about not being part of G5), but I also think it’s bullshit. It’s a lie, but one the writers themselves said. In reality, they probably didn’t even know that G5 would be set in the same universe as G4, so the idea that they were trying to set anything like that up is ridiculous.
>>41749827G5 and G4 ending were made in parallel bubbles, compartmentalized by Hasbro. The idea that one had any clue what the other was doing, like setting up big baddies return is retarded. The only thing G4s team knew is they had to wrap it up.
>>41744059I think it sends a good message to the kids, don't be evil or else you will be severely punished. I wish Discord got the same treatment, although that wouldn't really work from a narrative standpoint, he was long reformed and tightly integrated into the main cast.It was also executed poorly, the princesses being all happy and smug, doing it at the behest of Discord, it was quite jarring.
>>41749866Well, we do know some things they were told not to do. For example, Twilight wasn’t supposed to become big early in development. The flash forward was going to be barely in the future because of this. The reason was that early on, the special that became “Rainbow Roadtrip” was going to be released and set after Season 9.So Hasbro gave them a tiny bit of info about what was happening. I kind of feel like as the G4 retards turned in the worst story imaginable, the Hasbro people might’ve been thinking “Yeah, whatever, this doesn’t even matter, because Twilight’s reign is going to be shown to be a massive failure anyway.” They probably didn’t bother to tell the G4 people that, but there was someone whose job it was to look over the development for both and make them change things in light of one another.
>>41749280Of course I would rather live. My potential problems with socialization are just that, problems to be solved. Even if I'm doing a life sentence, it's again just a problem: there are always prison breaks, mass amnesties, revolutions, whatever.
>>41749930To be fair, nobody knows what happens after you die (except for the majority of people who’ve ever lived AKA dead people), so who (that’s able to tell us) knows? It may be good.Eternal petrification is a fate worse than death! They don’t get to move on, they’re stuck in permanent stasis forever! Pure evil!!!
>>41749962So what if it's good? It changes nothing as long as I'm inherently mortal. Something being good is not a reason to hurry, we can just let it be good later and spend a little more time looking for other good shit here. What would make things different is if afterlife was getting worse with time for some reason.
>>41750008I agree. Taking another person’s life is 100% evil and unforgivable, but what they canonically did is somehow even more evil than that. All of the horrors of the death sentence with none of the potential benefits.
>>41750020We know it's reversible, at least in some cases.
>>41750037But the “heroes” had no intention of reversing it and celebrated that the three of them would be like that “forever.” They even used the stone thing as a way to get away with doing an episode about suicide in just the season before, but that still didn’t stop the psychopathic, evil writers from inflicting this fate upon an innocent child who’s never done anything wrong in her entire life!!!
if cozy had a character other than evil i maybe should care about her fucking tirek got a better backstory
>>41750100Tirek was created during season 4, when the writers still had brains.Haber couldn't write for shit.
>>41750167>season 4Nigga you better recognize G1 or gtfoh
>>41749673I still don't understand how people think that scene was some offer of second chance or something.
>>41748137this but with the entire population too>>41748294>>41748315>>41748322enjoying the charred ashes makes her happy.
>>41750258Well, yeah, but I mean FiM's equivalent of Tirek.He didn't have a brother in G1. Just turned things into monsters for shit and giggles.
>>41749673>but power isn't why you make friends>Celestia: Let's be friends with Discord so we can use his powers 8D.
>>41748669Sombra sucks. people would've cared if he was a mare instead
>>41748322>BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>>41750642The only way releasing discord makes any sense to me is if Celestia can see potential futures a la Dr strange and saw that releasing discord was the only good timeline for Equestria
>>41750622>didn't have a brother in G1Sigh. You have homework, anon. Go watch Rescue at Midnight Castle. It's good. And it'll make you less wrong.
>>41750885Scorpan, in case you're wondering.
>>41750885>>41750887Was this established in G1? I think he existed but wasn't a brother. Rewatch stream next time.
>>41750485>but with the entire populationWhat do you think genocide means?
>>41750887Scorpan isn't his brother in G1, he's literally some bumfuck prince Tirek just transformed for the fuck of it.G1 Tirek has no backstory, he is just a random wizard who transforms stuff into monsters and wants eternal night.
>>41750861Celestia being able to see the future is literally canon.
>>41750887Scorpan was a prince, dumb dumb. YOU need to do your homework.
>>41744068>did you seriously look at S7-9S6-9 would be more precise. I can't stand the Haber era in the slightest.
>>41751091S5-9 would be more precise. I can't stand the Glimmer era in the slightest.
>>41749280oh shit I recognize this from another image. Where is this?>>41748186>forced to be good guy>tries to kill fluttershy's stoner friend our of jealousyIt's poorly written.
>>41744059I doubt it was made to piss on the fandom, they probably just wanted to make something "cool" without understanding what they were building for to begin with. If they wanted to turn them into stone, they shouldn't have written a bunch of redemption arcs already about "Buh uh, psycopath is a poor wittle victim of thwe system" and especially shouldn't have shown a sympathetic side to them in the episode when they join forces to reach the bell.I honestly was rooting for them to win because I felt like if the Mane6 became obnoxious pricks to one another in the later episodes and those three were showing a better understanding of friendship in what little interaction they had.No, Chrysallis saying "NO!" after thinking about her old colony does not make me say "Yeah, she's pure unredeemable evil.", it only makes me think she's repressing those feeling out of trauma.And if you think they didn't have to go scot-free after what they did, petrification still wouldn't be a proper answer with what the show has builded with second chances and such. They could've put them under some kind of community service as punishment alongside a rehabilitation program until they've changed their ways enough.
>>41751133they wouldn’t change Tirek and Chrysalis are unchangeably evil and have demonstrated this.
>>41751152Yeah by them literally almost redeeming on screen they showed themselves as irredeemable. Thats definitely how that works.
>>41751163they weren’t almost redeeming themselves they went and betrayed the one person helping them Tirek had one thousand years in fucking hell to change and multiple times Chrysalis was offered redemption and she just came back worse.
>>41751183If you actually watched the show you'd see they absolutely did. But no here's some reasons that literally apply to Discord but in this case it matters.Frenemies absolutely displays the exact opposite for everyone except maybe Chrysalis, but don't worry as that previous attempt you mention literally telegraphs the same idea so she already did it before then.
>>41751247discord actually became good the other three were always evil and stayed evil they showed no remorse for their actions or for others they hurt
>>41744967Get a job, Haber.
>>41750963what, when, where?>>41751104It's season 4-9 for me, I can't stand her highness, princess twilight, and the way her friends start treating her different, royal shit, etc. But I don't really blame twilight, she's the victim of the story.
>>41744059yes
>>41751351Getting a job requires skills.
>>41744067>being against child murder is now pedophiliaHabercucks are not human.
>>41749673Except Cozy DID learn it, was tutored by the CMCs too. She knew exactly what she was doing, she deliberately abused that knowledge to serve her selfish interests. Cozy is a complete psychopath.
Never forget, Twilight only befriended Starlight as a last resort.Even seeing the world destroyed wasn't enough to convince her, just because she lost ONE friend, she was willing to tear up the time travel spell, which would destroy EVERYONE'S happiness, and only stopped because Twilight offered to baby her for the rest of her life.
>>41752766if you watch the finale thats the only reason. They were in a stalemate and twilight had to compromise.
>twilight had to let a psycho into her home to keep her from destroying the universe.
>>41752775that's bad.
>>41752766>Twilight will fully forgive and take a pony under her wing that nearly destroyed the timeline, got into a laser fight with her, made her and her friends lives a living hell for months, and stalked them, but she'll continue to hold a grudge towards a magician because she gets on her nerves.
Don't be friends with jerks that hurt your feelings, but be friends with people who have tried to kill you.
It was never even about Starlight. Twilight just wanted a ex-villain under her wing so she could have bragging rights."I have a student that used to be evil, you know. I'm so proud how far she has come thanks to me and MY teachings~"
>>41753139or hear me out Trixie wasn’t available.
>>41752766>Twilight only befriended Starlight as a last resort.It wasn't a last resort, Starlight took the initiative to tell Twilight her friendship problem and that was what prompted Twilight, the princess of friendship, to solve it.>just because she lost ONE friendTo be more accurate, she was abandoned as a small innocent and impressionable filly. And that was just the beginning of her woes, the first domino.>she was willing to tear up the time travel spellWrong, the time travel spell would be destroyed if that's what she wanted.>only stopped because Twilight offeredTwilight only offered her friendship and mentorship AFTER the time travel shenanigans.
>>41746171>"Join me, Discord, and reclaim your greatness. Unless, of course, 'pony errand boy' is the role you've always wanted to play in this world."I agree that he wasn't brainwashed and he could've said 'no', but there's some hidden deep in it. He went for it because Tirek messed with his emotions, making him think how pathetic he is now after he became friends with ponies. Him - the lord of chaos who terrorized said ponies he's now friends with. A hurt pride and nostalgia for being a bad guy. I actually liked how he suddenly switched sides, because this episode felt like a final test for his reformation. He fucked up many times after that, true, but he never fell for the same shit ever again and didn't join some other villain.
>>41753230>It wasn't a last resort, Starlight took the initiative to tell Twilight her friendship problem and that was what prompted Twilight, the princess of friendship, to solve it.Twilight shows her the bad future, she didn't believe her. Twilight continues to try to reason, Starlight starts bitching about her past like it's a huge deal and a perfectly good reason to hate cutie marks (it wasn't) then shows it to her. And even after THAT she still refuses to stop, so Twilight offers friendship because she's out of ideas.>To be more accurate, she was abandoned as a small innocent and impressionable filly. And that was just the beginning of her woes, the first domino.She grew up with a caring father who doted on her. At some point she should have grown out of it. Little kids lose friends all the time, they move on and make over friends, not mope and bitch well into adult hood.>Wrong, the time travel spell would be destroyed if that's what she wanted.She was in the middle of tearing it while she was ranting>Twilight only offered her friendship and mentorship AFTER the time travel shenanigans.Again, she was close to ripping the spell in two and Twilight had to offer friendship to get her to stop.
>>41753288>pony errand boyWhere's the lie?
>>41753291Starlight took the initiative to tell Twilight her friendship problem and that was what prompted Twilight, the princess of friendship, to solve it. It wasn't a last resort because Starlight created a path for Twilight.>like it's a huge deal and a perfectly good reason to hate cutie marksShe was an innocent filly, not a grown mare or ancient deity.>She grew up with a caring father who doted on her.Her father was obnoxious and ignored her feelings, she grew up with no friends or emotional support to help her get through it.>At some point she should have grown out of it.Saying that about any problem about anyone ignores all nuance. You're arguing conflict shouldn't exist in the world because everyone should just get over it.>She was in the middle of tearing it while she was rantingShe was in denial, her world view was just shattered and she was coming to terms with it on her own. That scroll would easily be in two if she really wanted it to be. All Twilight did was nudge her in the right direction.>Twilight had to offer friendship to get her to stop.Again, her offer to take her in only happens AFTER.
>>41744059Still not seeing the problem.
>>41753380My guy, you need to stop coping, Every defence you keep coming up with is garbage. Your waifu is a shit character with a shit background and a shit excuse for everything she did.
>>41753400Lily Orcharid type this.
>>41753380>Saying that about any problem about anyone ignores all nuance. You're arguing conflict shouldn't exist in the world because everyone should just get over it.A friend went to college, that's it. You talk about it like she was physically beaten by her classmates all her life. And, yes, a normal child would grow out of something that small when they reach their teen years and develop maturity. She was making a mountain out of a molehill.
As someone who has lost friend after friend after friend over the years and never once turned evil, I can't sympathise with Starlight at all.
>>41753409I hope you get nice pony friends at some point, anon.
As someone who's been second best at everything over the years and never once turned evil, I can't sympathise with Luna or Trixie at all.
>>41753427Trixie was never evil.
>>41753427Luna wasn't second best. She assumed ponies hated night because... they needed to sleep.
>>41753405>A friend went to college, that's it.And Luna got mad over ponies going to sleep, that's it. You talk about it like she was physically beaten by Celestia all her life. And, yes, an ancient deity has the maturity and wisdom to get over it. She was making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>41753288i mean tirek was 100% right and discord was also right to ditch them because other than fluttershy no one tried to be his friend. Hell , he was surprised fluttershy consider him such a friend that she never expected him to betray her. even if he ignored poor pinkie
>>41753455Luna was corrupted by her jealousy, it engulfed her and made her insane. It took the elements magic to change her back.Also, you can't really move on if you're magically shoved into the moon.Starlight was sad, starlight could have moved on, she didn't because she was stupid.
>>41753455Faust already confirmed Luna was corrupted.Haber just expects you to justify every shitty thing Starlight did because she cries a lot.
>>41753495Starlight was corrupted by her abandonment, it engulfed her and made her insane. It took the magic of friendship to change her back. Also, you can't really move on if you're ousted from your own community and made homeless.Luna was sad, luna could have moved on, she didn't because she was stupid.
>>41753188Applejack works on a farm, Rainbow Dash controls the weather and is constantly on the move, Rarity runs a business, and Pinkie works at a bakery. That is horseshit, she very much could've gotten Trixie, she didn't because she doesn't like her.
nah, just josh haber being a shit writer.
Luna continued to punish herself with nightmares because she refused to forgive herself. She was portrayed far more sympathetically.Starlight and Trixie both sneered at the ponies who still didn't trust them as if everyone should just pretend the things they did never happened.Trixie: Ponies judge me on my past too.Starlight Glimmer: Finally, a pony I can relate to.
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>>41753519K, now I know for sure you have major autism.I accept victory and you have no argument.
>>41753500>b-but faust said this faust said that>i-it wasn't in the show so it can't be canon but so what!!!faust also said trixie has a cock
>>41753519Imagine being this deluded and unable to defend your mary sue OC.
Man, the day that I actually watch the Starlight seasons I'll be excited to actually have an opinion on her. Is she sympathetic or just pathetic? I have no clue.
>>41753495kek Nice headcanon bro.
>>41753529Yes, Faust did say it. The first episode also said it.You may not like it, but everything was answered whether you like it or not.
>>41753531Extremely pathetic. You can tell the writers were desperate for the audience to love her.
>>41753535I can get why people take her being 'transformed into a wicked mare of darkness' as metaphorical given that it's not really something we see happen with any other character. It's far easier to read that as simply the way the legend goes rather than what literally happened. Of course, in a world where Faust stays on we probably would've seen examples of that happening to characters.
>>41753544We do. Dragons change if they become too greedy and can change back if they give.
>>41753557Sure but that's explicitly a dragon thing, not a pony thing.
>>41753524Starlight has nightmares over it and didn't forgive herself either, she goes through the same problem as Luna. Personally I felt more sympathy for Starlight because of how real it was, I can relate to her doubts, I went through a similar thing before. I can understand Luna too, it's just the tantabus made it seem fetishy like she really wants Celestia to spank her or something.
>>41753519>Luna was sad, luna could have moved onSome type of magic was obviously involved in Luna's case, her body completely transformed, she had fangs and shit
>>41753230Is this you, by any chance?
>>41753538And it worked, because "influencers" like MV gas her up.
>>41753575Luna didn't transform until much later like how Starlight didn't start a cult until much later. Luna had much more time to move on while being more older and wise.Unless you're trying to say Luna didn't realize ponies liked sleeping at night for her entire life, or are you implying Luna got randomly mad one day then just transformed on impulse? Both cases make Luna look worse.
>>41753594Nope, I love both Trixie and Starlight. I love ponies.
>>41753495>muh corruptionLuna and NMM are one in the same. Stygian is a real example of corruption.
>>41753619This mf. No one is guilty of their feelings, they're guilty of their actions. Luna was practically controlled by dark magic when she did whatever she did.Glimmerniggers can't defend the OC without shitting on other characters or the entire foundation of the show.
>>41753527>irrational double standards gets exposed>i-i won..
>>41753657>Luna was practically controlled by dark magic when she did whatever she did.We're talking about the show, not your fanfiction, stupid faustnigger.
>>41753569It's a world of magic. Anything can happen.A plant can make you limp or tiny.
>>41753654They are most certainly not one and the same.NM wanted night forever and was willing to do anything to get that wish. Soon as the elements blasted her in the face, she's small, meek and regretful for what had happened.
>>41753657Your insecurity is showing. Starlight having better writing than Luna doesn't mean Luna's was bad, it just means Starlight's is better. I love both pones, but Starlight obviously had more effort and passion put into her.
>nuuuuh, she wasn't corrupted>S4 shows her being taken over with thousand-yard stareM'kay.
>>41753747Luna never mind raped her friends
She would have been so easy to reform.
>>41753760Would she really though?
>>41753747Starlight had such shit writing, Hasbro quickly changed their minds about making her the new main character.
>>41753758She's not based enough.
>>41753747LMAOOOOOO
It's actually kind of fun watching Glim Glam coomers desperately trying to defend their pile of crap and failing.
>>41753771>they were gonna drop 5 years worth of marketing the elements of harmony for random side charactersYou're just delusional, the m6 will always be front and center. If that was the case then she'd be sent back to her home planet, but no, Starlight was popular enough to become a permanent member of the cast.
Did Harber even have childhood friends? They usually don't stick around for life.Moving to new homes, going to a different high school than you, or even growing up to have different interests so you have nothing to talk about anymore are pretty common in life.It's not likely for your first friend to be your forever friend.
>>41753808She was about as popular as Misty.As in, she was only popular with the people who created her.
>>41753747The simple truth faustfags aren't willing to accept is that there was no "significant decline" until s8-9, in many ways the writing improved, but tribalism dictates they must defend their mommy beyond all reasoning.
>>41753762Unironically, compared to other villains, yes.
>>41753825I still think there was a negative tonal shift for season 4 and the show never really felt the same. That said, it was still watchable.
>>41753824You need to get out of your echo chamber and unironically touch grass. /mlp/ is just a tiny fraction of the fandom.
>>41753829Sexing fillies isn't reforming them.
>>41753825>writing improved>rainbow becomes more of a cunt>rarity becomes more of a whore>applejack becomes more stubborn>pinkie becomes more retarded>twilight becomes more insufferable>fluttershy rapes discord>discord lets himself be raped>celestia becomes more unhinged and loses her dignity>alicorn baby
>>41753755>already acting evil before transforming>goes super saiyan from uncontrolled emotionsM'kay. What's your next goalpost gonna be?
>>41753861>providing visual proof is moving the goalpostkek, you really don't have an argument, do you?
>>41753397Discord manipulated them into being evil on purpose.>>41753848>fluttershy rapes discordsauce?
>>41753868The legion of doom realize this and still went through this.
>>41753867It visually showed her emotions got the better of her. Where the fuck is your proof that the darkness was some magical entity that randomly came from nowhere to control her for no reason. Keep coping.
>>41753861>already acting evil before transformingAnd Spike was already showing shades of greed before his body starts to change shape. It's a magic world where emotions can get the best of you and turn you into a literal monster.Some weird black swirling cloud engulfs Luna and transforms her. Her emotions have a physical form and, because it's a fantasy setting, completely overtake her mentally.
>>41753878>It visually showed her emotions got the better of herSo her emotions corrupted her. The emotions themselves are the dark entity.Corruption is corruption. This damn universe has negativity summon doomsday horses that cause snow storms. Magical world that needs harmony just to exist. Negative emotions can magically change someone.I'm not sure what you are having trouble understanding.
>>41753881And that was Spike, big Spike is still Spike. If they were controlled by an outside force the show would have shown it like with Stygian.>because it's a fantasy setting, completely overtake her mentally.>because it is a certain genre it MUST be this wayThat's a very weak justification. It's also a kid's show and we can make a ton of assumptions off that too.
People only want cozy glow redeemed so they can fuck her
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>>41744554>>41744751NTA but This claim is falsifiable. All you have to do is watch an interview and compare what this anon said with what is said in the interview. Ironically the only rewriting of the world is your post, asserting that the reasonable post above was schizo nonsense when the only thing wrong with that anons argument was that he didn't provide a link to the specific interview(s) in question. >Take your meds. You're rewriting the world to fit your narrative while asserting numerous unfalsifiable claims over a harmless cartoon.From your words I'd say you're a scientific person but your post is so detached from reality it makes me wonder if you're projecting and it's you who takes schizo medication. TLDR take your meds>>41744751
>>41753937You're assumptions are just that you can't separate fiction from reality. You can't process the idea of emotions being a magical mind corrupting entity because they aren't in the real world.
>>41753868>Discord manipulated them into being evil on purposeno?
Yes, emotions are defiantly different in the MLP universe. Starlight's stress could be shoved in a bottle and then went haywire, controlling other ponies.Magic emotions clearly can, and do, make someone evil.
>>41753878>Where the fuck is your proof that the darkness was some magical entity that randomly came from nowhere to control her for no reasondo you want a list of everytime magic made someone evil?
>>41753455>deflectingOf course.Also you forgot the part where you talk about how the village was perfectly consensual and Starlight wasn't using abuse or fear in any way and that all the villagers loved her and could've just gotten their cutie marks back whenever they wanted.
>>41753573> I felt more sympathy for Starlight because of how real it was>loses one friend>starts a cultYeah, real...
>>41754039>seething autist still mad after getting btfo last thread
>>41753825>that there was no "significant decline" until s8-9This is just straight up denial of reality.>but tribalism dictates they must defend their mommy beyond all reasoning.I could give more legitimate criticisms of the Faust era than the anti-faustfags. I'm entirely aware that she was not a flawless writer and that she came up with plenty of dumb ideas.
>>41754067more real than>ponies go to sleep>behead the queen!
>>41754073And by btfo you mean you completely ignored everything that happened in the episode, including the ponies pulling Twilight aside so they could tell her how much they hate their new life and can never leave because Starlight was a power mad dictator.
>>41754073What?
>>41754090Why do glimmerniggers always do this thing where they expect everyone to believe that Starlight actually had so much more going on and Sunburst leaving was just a catalyst and then immediately turn around and talk about Luna exclusively in the most insane strawmen arguments?
Are faustniggers really this oblivious to their own hypocrisy?
Starlight's backstory and philosophy would only make sense if she never got her mark at all.Hating something she has on her ass and using the ability she has because she has a mark on her ass to take away marks on asses while insisting that marks on asses creates disharmony but needed the mark on her ass to create harmony... it doesn't work.
>>41754067It's not the cartoony over-the-top reactions I relate to such as cults and world domination, but their emotional struggles.
>loses a friend >instead of reach for him its happy making a lot of ponies miserable only to prove a point >all of this by her own volitionmmmm bad writing loved it remember when sunburst tried to destroy magic because he failed at school.. oh wait... The only excuse glimglam has is that the moment she got her powers he got mad with power and got corrupted nd that enabled her worst traits
>>41754092>still spouting disingenuous liesYeah yeah, and Twilight is a serial-molesting pedophile abusing fillies.
>>41754157anon your supposed to say something farfetched
>starlight has friend>friend get mark>friend leave>starlight alone>starlight make new friend>new friend good>new friend get mark>new friend bonds with other ponies with marks>new friend becomes distant and eventually leaves to be with other marked ponies>starlight really not like marks but tries again>new new friend>new new friend good>new new friend get mark>uh oh>new new friend does not leave but become very smug about mark>starlight become annoyed>they fight>new new friend calls starlight blank flank and storm off>starlight have enough of marks>marks cause pain>marks cause superiority>must stop marks to stop painThere, I fixed her backstory. Multiple friendships ending over cutie marks works better than one.
>>41754135Sunburst was just a pussy. Meanwhile Starlight is the epitome of the ubermeer who sets out to reshape the world in her image.
>>41754199When life gave her lemons she made lemonade and served it to others.
>>41753831This>>41754004He helped them, that's for sure. And it would be the second time he helps a villain, he didn't learn anything from helping Tirek.
>>41754259this is completely different from Discord helping Tirek.
>>41754259>would be the second time he helps a villain, he didn't learn anything from helping Tireknot really , he had everything in control when they fought sombra. His intentions are good but his methods are retarded.Compared with Tirek were he basically changed friendship for freedom.
>>41754265Yeah, this time he gathered a whole team of villains>>41754268They really had to nerf Tirek to not be as much of a threat as in s4.>His intentions are good but his methods are retardedThat describes the writers lolThe retarded move was destoning discord.
>>41754299are you purposefully being this obtuse or genuinely don’t know what you’re talking about
>>41754312genuinely being obtuse
>>41753843No sex. Just rehabilitation.
>>41754119No just zoom zoom newfags who are a decade+ late on what MLP is about.>I did not require verification
>>41754119>is ok to abandon gilda even if she was your best friend beforeyeah this what Lauren would wantedShe also wanted Trixie to be even a bigger treat because of jealously.
>>41754039>the villagers loved herThat is how cults work, it's not only the ideology but the ideologue they worship. E.g., MAGA. They genuinely believe in her and her message even at the cost of their quality of life.
>>41754039>villagers loved heris this a joke? she brainwashed them to the point they asked help indirectly
>>41754903>cute ponies were simply interested in the m6's cutie marks>no they were lying, they were actually sending a secret encoded message to Twilight about all the times Starlight sexually abused them. The whole thing is a hoax I tell ya
>>41754963Bro you might be autistic.
>they didn't fear her>this is why they were fake smiling all the time starlight apologist everyone....by the way starlight herself confirms she was brainwashing/enslaving ponies episodes later.
>>41754974>derpyfag>retardedIt's poetic, really.
>>41754980That's revisionist reactionary anti-Sta... anti-Starlight propaganda.
>>41754903You should probably watch the show first before commenting on it.
>>41754980>they didn't fear herNever once argued that, weak strawman attempt. They obviously fear her as a strict dommy mommy.
>>41754963One of them outright said that she never tried to get to know any of them when the truth comes out. That she never tried learning anything about them. >>41755004She locked Party Favor in a room until he broke down all because he dared to miss his cutie mark. Doesn't sound like free will to me.
>>41755235>One of them outright said-You're outright lying again, no such dialogue exists.>She locked Party FavorFor conspiring with the m6. But either way he joined the cult willingly knowing what the rules were going to be. They considered Starlight a friend as Sugar Belle outright states.
>>41755566Starlight Glimmer: Spare me your sentimental nonsense! I gave these ponies real friendships they never could've had otherwise!Double Diamond: How do you know that?! You never even gave us a chance!She had no interest in learning anything about anyone.Double Diamond: This is a chance for all of us to get to know each other again for the very first time!They were never given a chance to learn about each other because Starlight wouldn't allow it.
Retard writers: “Murdering children is a good thing that heroes do!”Also retard writers: “STOP SAYING MEAN THINGS ABOUT ME ON TWITTER, EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!”
>>41755636I'm sure whatever you specifically said to them on twitter was uncalled for. I don't need to check.
>>41755603They are referencing having cutie marks, dude. The townsponies never got to experience their community with their cutie marks.
>>41756188Wrong.
>>41756188Oh, also, Haber of Vogel, or whichever writer you are, I know that it’s you and that what you meant was “I don’t need to check my own notifications.”Please, just publicly apologize for the horrifically evil ending, explain what the fuck you were thinking to save us therapy bills as we try to conceptualize the idea that anyone thought this piece of shit, monstrous ending was good, be fucking honest (if you made a bad ending on purpose as a “fuck you,” you need to tell us) and respectfully beg for our forgiveness. It’s the only way that you can ever move past the fact that you wrote a pro-child murder ending to a beloved kids’ show. You’ll be continuing to commit great evil until you make amends for your travesty. God cannot forgive the unrepentant. The time to apologize was before the episode aired. The second best time is now.Also, you need to publicly state that if G6 doesn’t either retcon your ending or strongly condemn it from a moral standpoint, then anyone who works on it is worthy of just as much hate as you for their continuation of abject and unforgivable evil.(Murdering children is always bad.)
>>41756421Sorry, that was me. I switched devices and had the Marble flag already picked on that.
>>41756261And that's bad. Naughty, naughty, selfish Starlight.
>Celestia: There's only one way to deal with an unruly child!>Luna: Beat her ass with a horseshoe until it's red!>Celestia: What? Oh me, no. Physically beating a child is wrong, dear sister.>Luna: Oh... I'm sor->Celestia: We'll send her to hell.
>>41756442
Celestia sending Cozy to prison is overkill when you think about it.Cozy's plan wouldn't have worked in her favor anyway. Getting rid of ALL magic would mean she would also be depowered.Also, she almost banished Starlight and the Student 6. She's a hero in my book.
>>41756481People keep saying that her plan was to get rid of “all the magic,” but she knew that the magic of friendship would stay. She also had that artifact that she used as well. Her plan, as I understood it, was to have more friends than anypony else, which would make her more powerful than anypony, once all the natural magic was eliminated. That’s why she was being so nice to everypony.That’s right, isn’t it? She didn’t want a magic-free world (like Twilight’s bitch ass ended up creating), she just wanted all the magic for herself (which she rightly deserves).
>>41756481>your honor the suicide bomber planned on taking himself out as well!
>>41756505Yes.
>chrissy kidnaps everyone>is stopped>is offered friendship by another ex villain>rejects friendship, threatens Starlight, and runs away>Twilight: Nah, it's cool. Let her go.>Cozy>nearly sends away all magic, starlight, and some kids to another dimension>gets caught>gets lectured>tries to run>gets captured and punished
Never tell children that they deserve to be murdered. They don’t.
How would you redeem them?
>>41757133I’d personally ask Cozy Glow if she wants to be my best friend ever and show her love like she’s never been shown before.
>>41757133none of them can be redeemed but>Bring in Tireks brother>make Cozy stay with the CMC>???
>>41757133Same way they redeemed everyone else.
Worst ending in television history.
>>41757133>Chrysalis runs an orphanage??>Cozy shouldn't have had her cutie mark, and should have joined the CMC>Tirek>
>>41757550>Cozy shouldn't have had her cutie mark, and should have joined the CMCShe can STILL join the CMCs. Her cutie mark doesn’t have to mean that she’s evil, maybe she has a good use for her talent of deception out there somewhere. Just like Trouble Shoes’s talent didn’t inherently have to mean that he was good for nothing, and just like Diamond Tiara’s cutie mark didn’t mean she was stuck being a bitch, the CMCs could help Cozy rediscover the pony she’s meant to be.The way that they were genuinely trying to help stop Cozy through NON-murderous means only to get trapped, and then LAUGHED AT by Celestia for still intending to help—because they didn’t know that she’d already been sent to Hell—is one of the most evil things I’ve ever seen. The fact that the CMCs were supposed to help her all along is so obvious! The writers shat that away because they’re cruel, evil people who celebrate the torturous death of misunderstood children!
>>41744059Fuck: TirekMarry: Chrysalis Kill: Cozy
