Ignoring the fact that all three brought this upon themselves are we?

>>41836359
They deserved better.

>>41836388
Yeah, they should've just been outright killed instead of being turned to stone. Stone's reversible, that's no good for villains like them.

>>41836385
>Ignoring the fact that all three brought this upon themselves are we?
This is the one and only time in the show's history that the punishment inflicted by the Elements of Harmony was not considered sufficient on its own, and this is despite the fact that none of the three have done any crimes in excess of what other offenders have done in the past. You can say "they deserved it" but that's difficult to reconcile with the fact that when their crimes are judged objectively, they're fairly middle of the road.

>>41836385
Murder is bad. Heroes don’t murder. Decently written children’s shows made by even halfway moral people would never even think for a split second to promote murder under any circumstances. People who support murder are evil people. If the standard is that evil people deserve to die, you’ve damned yourself with your own ideology.

>>41836404
They were also justified in almost every single action they took in the episode. I mean, did they go a little far? Maybe-ish? But not really. They’d all three already been fucked over so bad that, at the very least, they were equally moral to the “heroes” of the story, but I’d argue that they were obviously better.

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>>41836359
They're not dead, they are just rapped in stone forever ^:)

>>41836359
you forgot luna's dark ass blotches.

>>41836422
I didn’t make the image. I thought the same thing, though. That moon is REALLY hard to see on the sign.

>>41836419
They'll be let out if they can prove they're going to be good boys and girls, but we all know they won't.

>>41836431
Baseless claim. They’re not being given a chance as stone. Twilight’s evil ass never once even checked on Cozy Glow after she was put in Tartarus, if she did, she would’ve known about her disappearance months earlier. The season clearly goes out of its way to depict the “heroes” as not viewing “bad” people as people. The message of the final season is a total spit in the face to everything the show ever stood for.

>>41836431
>They'll be let out if they can prove they're going to be good boys and girls
How can they prove that while in stone?

>>41836359
no that's slaughter, killing illegally is murder

>>41836419
Damn, Faust was cruel.

>>41836406
Forgetting about ww2 are we?

>>41836487
And killing an unarmed person without trial is illegal in nearly every country in the world. Your only argument here is “What’s rightly called murder in a shithole like Earth is perfectly acceptable in Equestria.” What the fuck?!

It also breaks international laws of warcrimes. So yes, it IS murder. If we were to ever come in contact with this evil version of Equestria, we would have no choice but to launch a coup against their evil, evil, EVIL tyrannical government.

>>41836501
I don’t even know what you mean. The soldiers we killed were by definition not unarmed or defenseless. Hitler committed suicide. And the Nuremberg trials were TRIALS. They weren’t extrajudicially assassinated.

Even then, I’m obviously allowed to disagree with their killing. Which I do.

>>41836508
Still not seeing the problem of Cozy getting her deserved punishment.

>>41836483
Just let them out in a few hundred years and see how they react. Easy peasy.

>>41836440
>Twilight’s evil ass never once even checked on Cozy Glow after she was put in Tartarus
That's because she needed a lot longer than a few months to cool down because she's a very bad girl. And don't say that isolating someone for long periods of time is considered torture, Season 1 Episode 1 already confirms it's an acceptable practice in Equestria by Lauren Faust's own hand.

>>41836529
>That's because she needed a lot longer than a few months to cool down because she's a very bad girl.
How does that change anything about stopping by to visit her and keeping record of if there’s any development in her attitude?

>And don't say that isolating someone for long periods of time is considered torture, Season 1 Episode 1 already confirms it's an acceptable practice in Equestria by Lauren Faust's own hand.
It was Hell. Tartarus is literally the Greek version of Hell. Hell is a place of torture. The exact things we saw are less important than the fact that the writers knew full well what they were doing by sending a child to Hell. Who the fuck does that?!

>>41836543
>How does that change anything about stopping by to visit her and keeping record of if there’s any development in her attitude?
When the time is right she'd get a friendship mission for it, obviously. Duh.
>It was Hell. Tartarus is literally the Greek version of Hell
The underworld as seen in My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is not an endless torture festival and you admit to this much by saying we have to ignore what we see in the show itself. Cozy Glow was not being tortured by being there, she was just very lonely. At some point she might've become repentant but that point clearly wasn't then and there, and neither was the point when she got stoned. It's a shame that you never get to see your waifu apologize for being a naughty filly but that's just how these things go.

>>41836549
>Cozy Glow was not being tortured by being there, she was just very lonely.
Um, actually she wasn’t lonely. She literally made friends with an evil demon creature. They literally gave her 24/7 access to a bad influence to ensure that there’d be a 0% chance of reformation.

>>41836557
Sounds like she should've made a different choice.

>>41836566
No.

>>41836569
Hey I get it, you like her being evil and you're mad that she got stopped. It's okay. G6 isn't gonna have Cozy in it but you can imagine a version of it where Cozy realizes she's being stupid and gives up.

>>41836359
Petrification is reversible. The writers just didn't want to reform these fun villains and decided to preserve them as they are.

>>41836576
No.

>>41836594
And turned the “heroes” of the show into evil murderers in the process. Great job, Haber.

>>41836599
>And turned the “heroes” of the show into evil murderers in the process. Great job, Haber.
It can be reversed at any time. It's not murder, it's jail. The fact that you haven't seen someone freed from jail doesn't mean that they've been executed.

The show is just like religion. You think it’s all just love and niceness, but then it says that gays should be stoned or whatever. What the fuck?! Only difference was this was totally preventable, whereas a belief system that started thousands of years ago *can’t* live up to modern moral standards. No matter how hard the authors tried to make it, they were fundamentally living in way too different of a time. MLP just did the child murder thing for no reason. Child murder isn’t popular anymore. At least not to *vocally* support, it isn’t.

>>41836612
It's not child murder and you know it's not, that's why you're not responding to the objectively correct argument saying that it's not.

>>41836629
It objectively is. Watch the Rockhoof episode. That comment was actually something I said to a friend on Discord and then I just decided to copy and paste it here, so I wasn’t ignoring it, I just didn’t think it was worth responding to by the time I saw it.

They literally said that children should kill themselves. The Rockhoof episode was literally about suicide. You’d have to be retarded to not understand that. They went on to inflict the same fate on a CHILD!!! What kind of sick, deranged, FREAKISHLY EVIL show is this?!!?!!?!!?!?!!?!

I wonder if the writers are ever kept up at night being reminded of what horrible people they are for writing this abomination. I think that’d be good. I know I’m kept up at night just from the fact that it exists.

>>41836645
At one point in time, a person was considered dead when their heart was stopped. Society stopped using that as a standard for death when it became clear that we could restart a person's heart. Even if being turned to stone puts you in a state functionally similar to death, the fact that is reversible with absolutely zero harm caused to the petrified pony means it is not death. Objectively.

>>41836653
It’s still death. Just because Doc Brown was warned to put on a bullet-proof vest to precent his own death doesn’t mean the Libyans hadn’t originally killed him.

>>41836654
That's completely different, that's time travel which is by its definition a complete warping of causality. In a setting where cryosleep exists, you are not dead when you are in cryosleep because regardless of the fact that all your biological functions have ceased, the world understands that this is instantly reversible the moment you're let out. This is the same as petrification is in the world of MLP:FiM.

>>41836658
It’s still murder. They literally used it as a replacement for suicide in the Rockhoof episode. That episode is about suicide. This is about murder.

>>41836666
The thing about fiction is that sometimes you can do things as metaphor. Rockhoof's episode is about suicide, yes, it is about someone feeling so hopeless they'd rather not exist anymore. However, petrification is not usually used as a metaphor for death in MLP:FiM. It was not used that way when Discord was stoned and then unstoned, it was not used that way when Rockhoof and the other pillars were unstoned in the first place.

>>41836675
The Pillars weren’t stoned, they were in some kind of a void. And from their experience, the episode showed, it was a seamless transition from the past to the future, less than the blink of an eye. Instantaneous and shit. Because there was no time there, so there’d be no waiting around.

If Rockhoof’s desired stoning (which didn’t actually happen) was about suicide, then this scene is about murder. Simple as that.

>>41836686
Okay, then let's focus just on Discord. Discord was stoned and then unstoned. There is no harm done to him as a result. He does not consider it to be death, nor does anybody else.
The difference between his stoning and the theoretical suicidal stoning of Rockhoof is its permanence. Rockhoof wanted to stop existing, forever. That's death. Discord was put into stone indefinitely and then let out later. That's not death. This situation is clearly more in line with Discord than it is with Rockhoof, no?

>>41836693
No. Rockhoof explicitly said that it would only be until he discovered his purpose, yet the episode was still about suicide. Discord explicitly said that they were like that forever. It was MORE permanent than what Rockhoof wanted.

>>41836699
Discord has no way of knowing that they're going to be like that forever, he's just saying the spell isn't going to fail like his original stoning did. As far as any of the characters in S2 were concerned, Discord was going to be stoned forever. This ended up not being the case, as you know. It is an indefinite detention, it is not murder.

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>>41836359
Cozy Glow is dead, it's time to upgrade to a superior waifu anon :p

>>41836711
>he's just saying the spell isn't going to fail like his original stoning did.
That literally wasn’t the point of his statement at all. The point was a cynical statement on how much they hate each other and how being “together” is the ultimate punishment, despite that being in direct contradiction, not just to the idea of the show, but also to what we saw of these three earlier in the season.

If they ever are brought back, it’d probably be a spell failing story, not an intentional unstoning story. His statement doesn’t really contradict that, because Celestia’s banishment of Luna said said to be her “permanently” sent to the moon. They used that word. A spell failing is infinitely more likely than any of these monstrous freaks who don’t even believe in the concept of friendship deciding to have a heart.

>As far as any of the characters in S2 were concerned, Discord was going to be stoned forever. This ended up not being the case, as you know.
No, I actually do not know that. This WAS Discord’s true ending and everything afterwards was just godawful fanfiction. Not sure what Faust would’ve decided on for his return. She probably would’ve been down for some followup with him if John de Lance showed interest, but it wouldn’t have been that shite that we actually got. For the time being, the real version of Discord is stuck as a stone statue forever. The retarded faggot character of the same name is the one who got freed.

>It is an indefinite detention, it is not murder.
No, it’s murder.

>>41836732
>Not sure what Faust would’ve decided on for his return
Faust wouldn't have had him return, she considered him a one-off character as far as I know. If you're upset about that happening to a character then you should hate Faust's version of the story too, considering she had no problem with that concept.

>>41836503
My argument was exactly as I stated, not as you are implying. And killing those unarmed is still slaughter, only being murder depending on the laws which are in place at that place of the killing. (i.e. Alexander the Great slaughtered the Persians v.s. he murdered the Persians. to a Greek he slaughtered, to a Persian he murdered)

As for Equestrian law, according to what you have said to me, you challenge and break the laws which you use to attack me; specifically, through the laws you use to justify your crusade against Equestria, as, you cannot conquer a state through war through its own laws. Alexander cannot conquer Persia by following Persian law, thus he makes his own law, as do you when you conquer Equestria. You should judge me based on the laws which you have created, not on the Equestrian laws you are trying to replace, nor especially on the human laws you so insult.

>“What’s rightly called murder in a shithole like Earth is perfectly acceptable in Equestria.”
I understand this sentence as such: "The killings correctly understood as, 'murders,' on Earth are not as such in Equestria."
That is because murders do not occur in Equestria; thus, Equestrians have a lesser understanding of it. I shall change my argument: That Triumvirate of Evil in which Cozy, Tirek, and Chrysalis are apart of were not murdered, but slaughtered unfairly in their final moments.

>>41836741
>Faust wouldn't have had him return, she considered him a one-off character as far as I know. If you're upset about that happening to a character then you should hate Faust's version of the story too, considering she had no problem with that concept.
Do you have any evidence of this at all? If she stayed around for nine long seasons, I find it very hard to believe he wouldn’t have come back in some form. She may’ve not expected to get John de Lancie back, so the possibility of it working may’ve been low in her mind, but she thought he was a cool character and was thrilled to get that voice actor for him, why would she not have brought him back eventually?

Anyway, Discord was an active threat. Stoning him was not murder in any way whatsoever. I did always have the argument that he wasn’t SO bad. Ironically, the dipshit writers made him more evil as a “hero” than he ever was as a “villain.” But chaos is neutral, the real world is chaotic as fuck, and the way that chaos was represented in the show was fucking awesome! So I did kind of make the argument at the time that he didn’t really deserve it, but it’s definitely not murder.

I think the old version of Discord probably prefers this relationship with the ponies. I know he did look shocked when they actually beat him, and that’s pretty stupid considering that the elements worked on him in the past, but I always kinda thought he was sorta acting. This is a game to him and he’ll get to play again someday. So it’s really not that harsh given who the character was.

>>41836526
>Just let them out in a few hundred years and see how they react
From their perspective, no time will have passed. Aside from Discord, no one has ever been suggested to have the ability to perceive what's happening around them while in stone. Twilight didn't when petrified by the cockatrice, nor does Mudbriar suggest he had any real memories or awareness. The stone sleep spell that was to be cast on Rockhoof is, well, a *sleep* spell. He wouldn't be conscious during ti.

So from, say, Chrysalis' perspective, she was leaping at the princesses and Discord, and then suddenly she'll be leaping at someone else. Petrifying them gives them no time to contemplate their actions, no time to reflect or repent.

On top of that, MLP has shown that banishing a problem in any way has a 0% success rate in turning the victim into a better person.

>Luna spent 1,000 years in the moon, and it just pissed her off.
- Discord spent 1,000 years in stone, and it just pissed him off
- Sombra spent 1,000 years dead, and it just pissed him off
- Tirek spent 1,000 years in Tartarus, and it just pissed him off
- Stygian spent 1,000 years trapped in Limbo, and it just pissed him off.

Throw in other times the ponies just let someone wander off without them having had a moral revelation:
- Gilda didn't become a better person
- Trixie didn't become a better person
- Flim and Flam didn't become better people
- Chrysalis and the changelings didn't become better people
- Sunset Shimmer and the Dazzlings didn't become better people
- Starlight Glimmer didn't become a better person

And you can plainly see that petrifying them is just the worst possible option.

>>41836758
>Aside from Discord, no one has ever been suggested to have the ability to perceive what's happening around them while in stone.

I recognize that you’re agreeing with me by arguing against the petrifaction, but I gotta add this little bit of evidence that it’s eternal torment rather than merely a resting period or whatever:

Mudbriar: “Technically, I will always be a stick pony. But the experience has given me an even deeper appreciation for the density and permanence of rock.”

>>41836753
>Do you have any evidence of this at all?
You can look at S1 to S2, she doesn't bring back any antagonists. The only characters to return are ones that aren't antagonists anymore, and iirc I've seen her say that she didn't approve of the reformation angle with Discord.

>>41836778
That’s two seasons. I’m talking about an alternate universe where she has a minimum of nine! She worked on “The Powerpuff Girls” and they had recurring villains. There’s no reason to suggest that she’s against the concept.

>I've seen her say that she didn't approve of the reformation angle with Discord.
Uh, yeah, that’s what I’M saying. The “Discord” in the shitty seasons is NOT Discord. Disapproving of a nonsensical “redemption” arc that made no sense at all and was cringey as fuck does not mean that the character cannot come back in any form.

>>41836773
That's just a silly joke, dude. You take this cartoon way too seriously.

>>41836823
No.

>>41836787
So, to be clear, you're fine with the characters intending to permanently stone a character so long as they fail repeatedly? If S10 happened and Cozy got freed, would you then be okay with it? Clearly not, given you're not okay with her being put in Tartarus.

>>41836843
Discord is the personification of chaos. I think the futile effort of keeping him permanently contained was part of the point. It was part of what the episode had to say. And Discord himself functioned less as a traditional character and more as a representation of how conflict and strife is always going to emerge, getting to the lesson that if you really are friends, you can always work through that.

So, yes. If Cozy Glow had become an inevitable character whose existence was actually saying something other than “child murder is good,” then that would’ve been theoretically be fine. It depends on how they do it.

And by the way, I was mid on her being sen to Tartarus initially. They could’ve messed with people’s expectations and had that work by turning her into a really demonic character who’s right at home in Hell. The fact that there was no payoff that can even theoretically tie back around into a good message is what made that punishment so bad, not the literal onscreen events themselves.

>>41836859
>child murder is good
Still not seeing the problem.

Continuing our discussion from the last thread.

>>41836298
>No, it tells us her inciting incident
Which is what tells us Starlight's motivations and why she cares about friendship so much. It became the inspiration for her ideology of "equality is the way to true friendship" which she developed throughout her early life with the desire to help all ponies make and preserve friends in order to help others avoid the pain she felt.

>No, it’s not.
Digging up obscure esoteric examples shows you have no leg to stand on. Typical everyday cults aren't the Assassin's Creed kind.

>escalate
This is a silly cartoon about magical horses, they do things big ever since the first episode. Most of that time anyway is spent surviving, taking on odd jobs, foraging for food, or whatever to get by. She was homeless the entire time.

>It’s a pretty awful idea as it turns out
Good idea actually to discourage any more liberations from Twilight in this hypothetical scenario we're discussing.

>That’s a living pony vaporized.
He isn't really, he's made of shadow, it's questionable whether he is even "killed" or just banished. Another point, if Discord can just revive any former living being he wants, that kind of breaks a lot things. Why not revive AJ's parents, or keep reviving Twilight's friends when they die so they become virtually immortal as well.

>was killed by Celestia and Luna
The princesses turned Sombra into shadow and banished him.

>From Starlight’s perspective, they did
No, she blamed Twilight for all that, that's why her revenge is specifically against Twilight and no one else.

>what do you *think*
Already told you this long ago, incapacitate harmlessly such as the crystal prison spell. She didn't use teleport to run away at any point, so likely she hadn't learned or mastered it yet until becoming Twilight's student.

>packing concussive force.
That's just what spells look like when clashing against each other regardless of their effects.

>>41836970
You really had to bring the fag that's trying to say that what Trixie did was worse than Starlight?

>muh Faust can't do wrong
>shit writers, shit seasons
>impies that Golly is also shit
Cringe falseflagging faustranny.

>>41837134
Cozy Glow isn’t shit, it’s the stories she was used in that are. The show would’ve been a trillion times better in every way imaginable if Faust had never left.

>>41837034
Some aspects she did worse.

>>41837215
No. And I will not explain my reasoning. You are just wrong.

>>41837215
No one understands nuance these days.

>>41836359
>Killing Defenseless People Is Murder
False. Whether they are defenseless is irrelevant. Defenseless does not mean innocent. Do not start going down these ridiculous lines of argument just because you want to defend Cozy Glow. Her being a child is enough to say her treatment was unreasonable. Chrysalis and Tirek however were more than deserving of what they got.

>>41837215
>>41837249
samefag

>>41837034
No, I don't believe that.

>>41836359
This spam is a continual sharty raid isnt it?

>>41837341
“Not innocent” doesn’t mean “allowed to be killed.”

>>41836359
POWERFUL

>>41836832
Twilight's petrification contradicts that being turned to stone still renders you conscious, it is more likely Mudbriar made a joke because, you know, his wife is a stone lover. Also, if you say that Rockhoof's petrification is an analogy for suicide you can't just say it is not like death when it fits your narrative.

Not canon, don't care, won't watch.

>>41836419
No, that was just Discord.
When Twilight was turned to stone and restored, she had no idea what happened. Rockhoof wanting to be turned to stone was met with horror, because he would be dead basically. And Mudbriar is just weird.

>>41837976
>Also, if you say that Rockhoof's petrification is an analogy for suicide you can't just say it is not like death when it fits your narrative.
It’s all the bad things and none of the good things. It’s the most evil ending ever.

Reminder that Cozy was aware of what she was doing.

>>41838361
So was Discord.
He tried taking over Equestria twice and yet Celestia still thought to give him a chance.
And no matter how many times he fucked up, they always forgave him.

>>41836359
Is this fag still going off?

>>41836970
> Digging up obscure esoteric examples
Jim Jones’ cult isn’t exactly obscure, Anon. In fact it’s the origin of the term “drink the kool-aid” to refer to someone who has fallen for propaganda hook, line, and sinker to the point of being willing to die for it. Nor is Scientology “obscure”. All you’re telling me right now is that you know less about cults and how they behave than the average American.

>>41838383
I know of those two specific examples, they're not indicative of average everyday cults in general though.

>>41838455
Anon, when the writers were coming up with their villain for Season 5 whom they knew would at one point be locking the M6 in a room and subjecting them brainwashing and using coercion to try and force them to obey her, do you think they were trying to hew closer to the Hubbard and Jones and Koresh model or the Vorilhon model of cult leaders?

I’ll give you a hint: it probably wasn’t Vorilhorn.

> they're not indicative of average everyday cults
There’s no such thing as an “average everyday cult”. They form for different reasons with different beliefs driving them.

We’re you raised in a cult and are taking offense at the stereotype or something? Because stereotypes exist for a reason.

>>41838374
Can't tell if it's a troll, bot, or unhinged person.

>>41838545
Neither. You only hear about the strange ones because they make it into the news.

>>41838545
Larson only mentioned 1984 as inspiration. "Cult" isn't even mentioned in the show's text anywhere.

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>>41837642
Correct. But in this case they did deserve death.

They should have just reformed them.

>>41839351
Never understood why people have a hard time accepting this.

>>41839513
I'll reform them with my dick.
Yes, even Tirek.

>>41839519
Because its untrue.

>>41839602
No it's true and you just don't wanna accepted it.

>>41838717
> Larson only mentioned 1984 as inspiration
The one with the rat room and the perpetual war?

>>41839351
The Elements of Harmony felt different.

>>41839702
>but the elements!
I don't care.

>>41839713
Yeah, because you never liked MLP to begin with.

>>41839833
>non-sequitur

>>41839835
Latin for "it does not follow", which describes the finale when compared to the show it capped off pretty well.

>>41838771
Oh, sorry, if you were the guy I added on Discord, I’m planning on getting that Deck Simulator soon. Just can’t spend any unnecessary money until I’ve secured my Mare Fair tickets.

>>41839649
Yes it is.

Fuck this ending!!!!!

I wouldn't be half as angry at this ending if Discord was stoned right alongside them. Imagine this shit happening IRL
>asshole frees three dangerous criminals from prison
>gives them weapons
>teaches them to work together to destroy the world
>untold amounts of destruction later, the cops capture the criminals
>asshole goes oops haha no I just did it to give the cops a nice training exercise btw you should kill those three
>asshole then walks away, free to bang his waifu for all eternity
>good guys cheer and clap as they execute three criminals at the assholes request
>but this is all okay cause the asshole had the voice of John de Lancie

>>41836359
How much are you going to live with hatred inside your heart? You should learn to let go.

>>41841322
This. There is just so much to hate about this episode, it’s unreal.

>>41841409
I mean it doesn’t dominate my every waking moment, I have been able to enjoy other stuff. Like I didn’t watch DuckTales 2017 until 2020, but hot damn did that show serve as a pallet-cleanser compared to MLP. The absolute worst episode of DuckTales is still a solid 7/10 a- there is not a single one I wouldn’t watch again in an heartbeat - and the finale for the show was fucking awesome.

But back in 2019 I predicted that I will never not be angry when thinking about or discussing the finale of MLP. It’s 2025 and, yeah, I’m still pissed off. Writing ineptitude and moral voids like this aren’t the sort of thing you just forgive and forget.

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>Me after after the

>>41841322
If we're factoring IRL, Twilight would have been convicted of 50 counts of mind assault, 3 on minors, sent to jail, cancelled and permanently barred from any magic institution. Celestia would need to make a public apology about how another one of her disciples went rogue and make yet another empty promise her next will be different.

>>41840962
Glad that you agree with me.

You do realize they wanted to kill the Mane 6 right? They were immobilized forever to prevent more tragedy from taking place.

>>41836359
capital punishment is not murder in legal terms

>>41841322
Worst story ever told. These talentless writers need to be barred from ever working on anything ever again.

>>41841409
I can’t.

>>41841889
Agreed. Except it’s been close to dominating my every waling moment personally. I’ll be real, it hasn’t been for the full five years for me, but only because I hated the ending SO much that I tried my best to just forget about the show full stop. I tried to just carry on as if I hadn’t even heard of it. I couldn’t go back to old episodes, because they ended in the worst way imaginable—beyond what I ever would’ve dreamed up as a realistic worst case scenario—they promoted SO MUCH evil, that I simply cannot be called a fan of the show anymore!!!

A couple months ago, a family member remembered that I used to like the show and was asking me about it and I was getting super embarrassed about it, NOT because it’s a little girls’ cartoon, but because the ending was so wretchedly evil that it makes me want to throw up, and I’m simply ashamed to have ever been a part of a fandom that supported this absolute fucking evil!!!!

But anyway, I started posting here regularly before then, because I had a feeling G5 was ending soon, which I was 100% right about. I wanted to gloat about that. Both how the very idea of G5 was an insult, but also how the franchise was already irredeemable before it started. Before this, I had a relapse that lasted a few weeks or a month at a time. This time around, I guess it’s been about a year or so? I’m not 100% sure. It was still basically on and off interest at first, but what REALLY solidified me not being able to leave was that “Camp Cutie Mark” leak. I think I’m alone in being excited for that series, but I think it looks like a return to the quant fun that I used to love.

I just don’t think they’ll ever be able to get me to get over this ending, though. No matter how good that show ends up being, it’s very unlikely to ever make up for what an evil ending Season 9 had. I’m hoping that somehow, someway, it’s addressed by the show and that they attempt to make it right. I’m sure this will be a new continuity, but can’t it exist due to time travel? Or, at the very least, maybe the original Cozy Glow traveled to this new dimension, just as Sunset was sent to the EqG world? Please give us something, Hasbro!!!

Another solidifying factor in my inability to leave was the announcement of the Cadence origin comic. I mean, with the comics, I was originally hoping that Cozy would show up in the final G5 story arc, and I was obviously disappointed. But now the Cadence comic is coming out! That means there’s a return to FiM. That also means that a Cozy Glow origin story of her own has never been more likely! (1/2)

(2/2) Sadly, though, an origin story is likely to just be further salt in the wound about her ending. Only way to rectify it is if we see that somehow getting turned to stone was part of her plan all along to tease a theoretical return, maybe even suggest she had something to do with Opaline’s rise.

I really desperately want to see a proper return, but think about it, how likely is it? The comics may never do it, because they might never be sure if a future TV production might. But how likely is that to happen anyway?

How do you even write a story to serve as a better ending without acknowledging what HORSESHIT the original ending was?! I mean, I really think the only way to make amends is for the characters to turn to the camera, tell us that they agree that the ending was the worst piece of shit ever, and apologize for allowing themselves to be written by talentless hacks.

It’s not a justifiable mistake. All of the “heroes” are now irredeemably evil and far, far, far, FAR worse than any of the villains in the show ever were. I think the story needs to be Twilight vs. Twilight, maybe a version of her from up to Season 5 or so finally KILLS her Season 9 self one and for all, eradicating it from existence.

Then they can come up with some convoluted story about the magic of Discord’s realm warping the world around them and turning them evil by altering their brains or some shit. Then they can use both Discord and Pinkie Pie to turn to the audience and admit that that explanation is bullshit, it was just GODAWFUL writing that they’re both glad is no longer canon. The End.

I can’t think of a way to ever make up for this ending without going THAT far. But fuck the fans that just accepted this turd, guaranteeing that they’d never go that far in trashing this ABOMINATION!!!!!!

>>41842268
Oh wow, they wanted to kill the ponies that sent a small child to Hell forever?! How evil! Seriously, dude, the Mane Six already deserved to die!

>>41842268
It wasn’t capital punishment. There was no trial.

>>41842277
The second one above was meant for (You).

>>41842353
You're fetishizing her being a child, it's really sad. She's arguably the most evil characer in the entirety of G4. If she wasn't limited by her size, she is capable of beating every hero or villain in this show.

>>41842359
Good. They should let her do that. She’s beyond morally justified!

>>41842365
Every other villain in this series was just interested in ruling, not murder.

>Chrysalis
>Tirek
>Adagio Dazzle
>Sombra

These characters want an empire and a legacy. Gollies is just depraved and too dangerous to be left alive, honestly stone imprisonment was the best thing for her.

>>41842385
Cozy was never any more or less evil then any other major villain, reformed or otherwise. She was completely redeemable and in fact had no proven body count, so she never killed anyone.

>>41842385
What are you talking about? She’s not interested in murder. She openly stated that her (justified) goal was to become the Empress of Friendship (100% deserved). Every character you mentioned is willing to kill to get their way. That’s all Cozy was trying to do.

And you’re just a psychopath if you ever think that the only possible reaction is CHILD MURDER!!!!

Why did they write this story? What were they trying to say with it? Even in your ridiculous mind, you should be asking that. Was the goal just to come up with a pro-child murder strawman? Yes. Though it still fails in-universe.

>>41842399
This is a fact as well.

>>41842406
>Tirek hasn't killed, but there's no evidence to suggest he would.
>Chrysalis has an interest in keeping her food source alive
> Adagio and the Sirens are the least evil, they just want to be admired
>Sombra you could argue is into murder, however since he was a bad villain we may never know.
>Cozy was willing to control Equestria by any means necessary. Also what do you mean deserved? Leadership is earned, Cozy displays no leadership qualities.

>>41842422
>Leadership is earned, Cozy displays no leadership qualities.
Are you retarded? She is shown to be able to run a school on her own AND she is the undisputed leader of the Legion of Doom.

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>>41842422
>Tirek hasn't killed, but there's no evidence to suggest he would.
Oh, okay, you don’t watch the show. Now I understand.

>>41842422
>by any means necessary
If your implying she would go on a murder spree, how is one supposed to rule over a country with no subjects? It is against her stated goals to go around killing people.

>>41842444
Yup. I was going to make that point as well (as well as the fact that Chrysalis almost certainly disposes of her food source once its run dry), but his first point alone was so utterly retarded that it immediately invalidates the rest.

>>41842444
She was organized and skilled, ultimately selfish and emotionally unstable. Starlight Glimmer isn't perfect, however she was capable of running that school.

>>41842466
She was perfect. I’d trust Cozy Glow as the ruler of the entire multiverse.

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>>41842466
>Starlight Glimmer isn't perfect, however she was capable of running that school.
Yeah... but Starlight Glimmer isn't Cozy Glow and we are talking about Cozy Glow's leadership qualities and not Glimmy's...? Are you high?

>>41842484
lmao no!

Only few ponies in this show are worth to rule

>Sunset Shimmer. More competent than Twilight, was groomed to be ruler before she got selfish and was banished.
>Fluttershy. purely empathetic and orderly.
>Adagio Dazzle. What's the worse she will do? Force you to listen to her gorgeous voice?

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>>41842485
Cozy Glow makes Foalfucker Starlight look like a little piece of poop.

>>41842490
>Fluttershy. purely empathetic and orderly.
She was too retarded to even once ask Discord what he was up to for months and then she celebrated child murder.

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>>41842496
>Foalfucker Starlight
Not canon until you continue writing on that!!

>>41842385
We don't really know what Tirek is interested in, he doesn't have a consistent motive because he was just that bland of a villain that any actual goals were secondary, he was meant to be a walking obstacle first and foremost.
>first he says that he's going to control all three pony races (what exactly does he plan to do with all that control if the ponies are rendered weak or downright helpless after he drains them of magic?)
>then in the end of S4 and S5 he's just rampaging mindlessly, where did the "control" go? (can be chalked up to magic overload making him lose his rationality although that's never said)
>in S8 he seemingly just wants to eat magic for the sake of it because he's addicted to it, with no grander ambitions
>in S9 he's presumably on-board with Chrysalis and Cozy in simply taking over Equestria (is he going to restrain himself from getting too much magic now? we don't know) and also wants to get buff by any means as a gag (hard to reconcile with his S4 behavior but not meant to be taken seriously)

>>41842506
What a gorgeous mare. This is a 24 year old horse.

>>41842506
LOL! Thanks! Chapter 2 shouldn’t take too much longer. :)

>>41842353
I mean...the world turned to shit after the final episode anyway

>>41842490
Sunset is more consistent with her beliefs after her heel turn but she has so many hotheaded bimbo moments that I doubt you could say she's earnestly more competent than Twilight
Her first instinct is to unga bunga start a direct confrontation with the villain and then either job or get set back to the point she needs someone else's help
>happened to the Dazzlings in the hall who brushed her off
>happened to Gloriosa who captured her and Scitwi
>happened to Juniper who immediately succ'd her
>happened to Wallflower and Sunset had to be tardwrangled by Trixie
>sort of happened to Vignette who immediately teleported her and the rest of the group she was with
>was too retarded to figure out the time loop for like a gorillion cycles until SciTwi gave her advice

It was only a few dozen times.

No flowers for Tirek?
:(

>>41842579
Look again, he’s got some between his arms.

>>41842584
Pobaly decoate for cozy since they alsoput boards on tirek and chrissy not related to them.

>>41842542
Trixie had to be tardwrangled by Sunset*

>>41842599
Maybe. Though the sign on Chrysalis works just as well for her and Tirek as it does for Cozy.

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>>41842496
Yes, Glimmy is the worst at being the worst. That's why she's best pony.

>>41842601
No actually
Sunset was going to try beating Wallflower's ass and would've been left clueless and mindraped if Trixie didn't stop her

>>41842671
Nah, she would've blitzed and ambushed Wallflower

>>41841409
it's hot seeing Cozy Glow die

>>41843138
What the fuck are those yellow things on Chrysalis' head, they suck and ruin an otherwise decent redesign

>>41843160
She looks horrified.

>>41843160
Male antennae

>>41842609
Logic doesn't follow.

>>41842293
>it’s very unlikely to ever make up for what an evil ending Season 9 had
You know, funnily enough right when the finale happened within like a day I came up with an easy way for the comics to fix everything about it, if only the Season 10 comics had shown any interest in doing so.

Just open up on Twilight and Starlight walking through the gardens of Canterlot Castle as it's being repaired (so we know it hasn't been that long), just talking about whatever. At some point their walk takes them into the hedge-maze, and they come across the statue of the Trio.

>Starlight: "So...it's been about a month. What are we planning on doing with these three?"
>Twilight: "Well, Chrysalis was the easiest. Hive Leader Thorax has asked for her to be remanded back into changeling custody. Tirek was the hardest...the Centaur Kingdom is very insular. But Celestia and Luna have volunteered to personally escort him back. Then there's Cozy Glow...which is actually what I wanted to talk to you about, what with the new school year starting..."
>Starlight: "Hoo-boy. Starting my first full year as headmare with a doozy, huh?"

1) Starlight immediately establishes that she never considered petrification a permanent solution.
2) Twilight already having answers means that she *also* never considered it a permanent solution and has been actively working the problem
3) Celestia and Luna volunteering to bring Tirek back to centaur lands makes it clear that they *also* never considered this a permanent solution.
4) It immediately sets up three story arcs: Chrysalis in the hive, Celestia and Luna's odyssey with Tirek, and Cozy Glow in the School.

>>41842446
That's an alternate timeline that we're in for all of five seconds. For all you know, Celestia and Luna and Cadance willingly gave him their power so that he'd be strong enough to fight off some evil that they couldn't handle on their own, and he's in the middle of doing just that.

>>41843973
>fix everything about it
*Well, almost everything. It doesn't fix the fact that Discord is a sociopathic prick.

FREE THEM ALL NOW, YOU SICK BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>41843973
I like that idea. I thought of something too after finishing the finale, I thought the next season would have a super big bad ultimate world ending threat where we'd need the power of the trio to help defeat, so we unstone them on parole kind of like discord, then working and fighting together with the ponies against the big bad ends up eventually redeeming them. But then I looked at the playlist and there was only one episode left. I still like the finale, but it certainly could've been better.

One of the things I really wanted was a conclusion to the Starlight x Chrysalis arc. I'd rewrite it so her battle against Chryssy would have Thorax and Pharynx coming in to save Glimmy, then the three fight her together while everyone talk-no-jutsus mid battle about Chryssy's motivations until the three land the final blow together while at the same time countering Chryssy's insecurities with the moral/lesson that solves her problem, defeating her both physically and mentally at the same time. Then Chryssy finally accepts Glimmy's hoof. That's the type of cheesy shounen anime kino I love.

>>41836359
>Tries to overthrow a legitimate government
>Gets imprisoned indefinitely
They got let off easy and you know it.

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>>41844833
>Tries to overthrow a legitimate government
>Gets imprisoned indefinitely
They got let off easy and you know it.

Discord takes over Equestria, wreaks havoc literally, then gets turned to stone. And then when he gets out of prison, he starts doing the same thing again, and then gets turned to stone again. And after that, he gets re-educated. And then he's forgiven for helping Tyrannize overthrow the government, which was a betrayal of his friends. And then the same thing happens to the Legion of Chaos, because he wanted to help Twilight
and Starlight Glimmer was tyrannizing over the village.
Then, after losing, she was ready to turn Equestria into a wasteland, but she realized that she was wrong, she did not receive any punishment for her actions, for example, Sunset Shimer coming to help rebuild a destroyed school.
Starlight didn't want to study friendship, instead she used magic, it led to chaos, she apologized, but then she used magic again, and so on several times,

>>41844885
You think I don't believe that Glimmer got off easy?

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>>41844886
and Discord?

>>41836359
God shut up

>>41843973
I remember this. I think it was in relation to some big school of friendship project thing. Shame nothing ever came out of it.

>>41844887
Discord was at least willing to reform his behavior. Can you honestly say the same for Cozy, Tyrek, or Chrysalis?

>>41844885
ELTSD is the only episode she does something really bad and it's still not as bad as what Twilight did, the m6 and Discord all did worse things like selling one of your friends into slavery.

>>41844910
After he was given a second chance, forced by gunpoint via EOH to not immediately go apeshit and a full episode of Fluttershy working to reform him and even then, he still caused plenty of problems, some supervillain tier. Shame the trio never got the same chance(s) he got.

Also why is misspelling Tirek's name so common?

>>41844929
No idea vis-a-vis Tirek. It doesn’t help that the G1 character he’s modeled after is canonically named “Tirac”.

>>41844925
> the m6 and Discord all did worse things like selling one of your friends into slavery.
Which isn’t even wholly unprecedented in the show, since we know sheep can talk but Applejack acts like she owns them..

>>41844910
Discord was given a reason to. The Trio never were. Tirek’s entire experience with friendship has been either having it take things from him - like his brother or his freedom - or else by being on the business end of a laser made out of it. Why would he ever embrace friendship when no one has ever tried to show him the positive side to it?

>>41844885
I love how even though Starlight and Sunset reformed, they still kept core personality traits. Sunset kept her hot headedness and Starlight kept her desire to control everything around her.

>>41845307
>Sunset kept her hot headedness
Not just her hot-headedness, but also her absolute determination to see things through to the end no matter her personal feelings or hangups. Her goal-oriented, eyes-on-the-prize attitude. The moment that really sold me on Sunset was in Rainbow Rocks when the Dazzlings corner her and try to mentally break her, and the thing is that they seem to have basically succeeded...but Sunset pushes forward and tries to help the Rainbooms anyway because it doesn't MATTER if she's broken, she has a job to do.

We also see it later in Forgotten Friendship. She's pretty obviously been putting off seeing Celestia again due to how everything went down between them the last time they saw each other, but the moment she needs something from Celestia she just pushes forward.

And then of course, humorously, there was her in the amusement park with Flim and Flam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTwpESnu2mk

>>41845367
Hasbro needs to embrace the Shim Sham more. This company is sitting on a pony with cool factor and they just piss her away in the finale of the show.

>>41844885
Starlight never intended to turn Equestria into a wasteland.

Sunset was a complete asshole to her schoolmates so no one liked her and she wanted to take over Equestria by turning her schoolmates into cannon fodder, she was pure evil.

By contrast, Starlight was respected as a friend, her villagers liked her, and she only really wanted what's best for them but just went about it the wrong way. Obviously it's much easier to forgive her since it's much easier to forgive a friend or someone you respect.

>>41845960
Zero people held anything against Poochie which is completely unbelievable no matter which way you slice it
You're telling me Double Diamond, her righthand man that she completely manipulated the whole time and left out of the loop despite his constant loyalty and Party Favor, the dude she locked in a shed and blasted with propaganda for getting slightly out of line, instantly dropped all of their qualms over one apology?
Nah, it's total horseshit

>>41846184
You're retarded. Lying about her cutie mark was the worst thing she did in their eyes.

>>41846211
You're retarded for restating what happened as if I'm not pointing out that it's dogshit writing, Glimtard

>>41846184
If anything Double Diamond would be the first to forgive her since he understands her motives and good intentions the most.

>>41846222
>omg she made a harmless lie she deserves to be hated forever
What the fuck nigger? Ponies have forgiven for much worse.

>>41846184
Party Favor disobeyed one of the town rules. The rules are upheld by all members including himself. That's how the town functions as a collective. Why would he get angry at Starlight for that? Use your fucking brain.

If Starlight strolled into Ponyville and randomly brainwashed someone for no reason then some resentment would be understandable. But even then, Twilight mind controlled half of Ponyville out of nowhere and not because they did anything wrong, never apologized, and no one batted an eye.

>>41846249
>complete strawman
>>>>>harmless
First of all, she objectively made everyone in her village live a shitty life that they didn't really want by stopping them from even considering getting their marks back. Their quality of life was abysmal, Sugar Belle sure as fuck didn't like making terrible muffins. They were afraid to even oppose her because she ruled through fear due to the mobs at her disposal. Double Diamond served her under completely false pretenses, she couldn't even commit to the own powertrip bullshit she was peddling (and wanted to spread to ALL of Equestria as a further powertrip by the way)
Secondly, I literally just said a SINGLE apology that may as well have been offscreen considering it was a zero dialog bit in a shitty montage isn't enough to completely undo all of those shitty actions. How fucking hard is this for you to accept, Glimmernigger? Saying "sorry" isn't enough, you have to actually fucking do something to prove you are. The fact you even mentioned Sunset and then immediately forgot the reason her arc is well received is baffling, nobody liked how the first EqG ended because of that very reason (despite how even then she had to do manual labor) and her popularity soared in the sequel by having her actually earn forgiveness while still not being showered with the utmost kindness and praise from literally everyone unlike Glimmer

>>41846284
>You questioned our mob leader's commands thus you must be punished
>There is nothing wrong with this in the mind of the Glimmerfag

>>41846291
The difference is Sunset did atrociously evil things that can't be forgiven easily. So she saves the school next episode as her redemption.

While Starlight just had a misguided ideology. Her villagers respected her as a friend and understood she wasn't being malicious, but Starlight still had massive guilt over her poor leadership decisions. Throughout s6 she is learning about friendship, the right way to lead, overcoming her guilt, then saves all of Equestria by the end as her redemption.

They're two completely different stories.

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>>41846296
>break the law
>get punished

>>41846336
>"""law""" is nonsense decided by a megalomaniac who kidnapped the actual lawful figure representing the government and stuffed her into a shed

Still not seeing any evidence on why she doesn't deserved the punishment.

>>41846360
Kill yourself Paco

>>41846363
Only after you.

>>41846360
It was not necessary. She's a filly. Any normal prison could hold her. She does not have any superpowers that would allow her to break out of even so much as a house arrest.

Also, if Discord and Starlight, plus Tempest, by the show's logic did not deserve it, then neither did she.

>>41846291
What you niggers don't understand is they believed in Starlight's ideology and were willing to take a hit in the quality of life department for the sake of friendship. They had their own problems with cutie marks which they wanted to run from and sought refuge in Our Town. A few may have regretted their decision to an extent but they can only get mad at themselves for that. It's why the only time they got mad at her was when she lied about her equality and they were even willing to continue the status quo as long as she also gave up her cutie mark. At the end of the day they all wanted friendship and Starlight brought them together to be friends.

>>41846539
Still salty that the justice system didn't pan out the way you wanted are we?

>>41845960
> she was pure evil.
First off, I question this since she expressly states that while willing to threaten Spike in order to coerce Twilight into giving her the Element, she would never have actually hurt him. In her own words, she’s not a monster. I feel that someone who’s “pure evil” would be far more willing to hurt a puppy if it suited their needs.

But ignoring that, let’s accept that Sunset was pure evil. She still, y’know, saw the error of her ways and embraced the idea of turning over a new leaf wholeheartedly, as we see in all her later appearances.

All you’re telling me right now is that “pure evil” beings aren’t beyond redemption.but you’ve argued that the Trio are. So what, are they Purer Evil or something?

>>41846626
> they believed in Starlight's ideology
Of course they did. The moment they started questioning her in any way she sent them into the brainwashing chamber.

Do you have like a brainwashing fetish or something and that’s why you’re so forgiving here? Also where did we land vis-a-vis you being raised in a cult as an explanation for why you have such an irrationally positive view of them?

>>41846635
No modern justice system would call Equestria just. It’s closest legal neighbor is Saudi Arabia, since punishment and leniency are clearly based on your current favor with the royal family.

>>41847179
Forgetting that the legion of doom invade and imprisoned the citizens of Equestria are we?

>>41847210
A crime that can be levied at Discord and Tempest Shadow, too.

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>>41843987
>It doesn't fix the fact that Discord is a sociopathic prick.

>>41847250
Nice try but warping reality and being a soldier is complete.

>>41847285
There was a point where I had been hopeful. There's a four-episode run where he genuinely seemed to be getting better:

"To Where and Back Again"
Didn't cause the problem and works to try and fix them.

"Celestia Advice"
Didn't cause the problem and doesn't really do anything to make it worse

"Discordant Harmony"
It took him 6 seasons, but Discord finally does something nice for someone without deliberately doing anything to harm anyone in the process

"The Breakup Breakdown"
Doesn't cause the problem of the episode and while he's a bit of a sourpuss, he actually works covertly to fix the problem of the episode even though a positive outcome for Big Mac will negatively affect him

So Discord was genuinely becoming a better person for four appearances in a row across three seasons. But then comes "A Matter of Principles", where he's back to being a selfish prick who terrifies and manipulates others and treats people around him like tools and playthings rather than people.

And then comes Season 9.

>>41847288
>Nice try but warping reality and being a soldier is complete.
Complete...what? You wanna finish that thought there?

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>>41847179
it's especially funny when the same thing happens in reverse, for example twilight was afraid that she would go to jail in the series zero lesson, but celestia forgave her? and starlight glimer fixed mane 6 magic, without their consent, and she was adequate, unlike twilight; for comparison in many other universes such spells are prohibited, for example in harry potter for the spell imperius they put in jail

>>41847303
Different.

>>41847397
In what way?

>>41847172
Brainwashing is a common occurrence that happens everywhere all the time. From parents, religion, media, to peer pressure. For example the people consuming CNN, Fox, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, etc. are brainwashed crowds to their ideologies. But the person needs to be susceptible to it in order to believe it. The ponies of Our Town had problems with their cutie marks in one way or another which is why they resonated with her message of equality and it's why the brainwashing didn't work on the m6.

>>41847579
>From parents, religion, media, to peer pressure.
Are you seriously not drawing a distinction between a TV show pushing a message, and being locked in a small room for days or longer against your will until you submit to the will of your captor?

Holy fucking SHIT you are by a wide margin the worst person I have ever talked to for any extended length of time. You are the most autistic, the least moral, and above all else I genuinely wouldn't be surprised to learn that your IQ hovers around room temperature at best.

>>41847633
>ohh noooo listening to a comfy voice on a speaker is so horrible

>>41847633
Holy projection batman. You've done nothing but lie and gaslight in every thread. Fuck off nigger.

>>41847633
I wouldn't be surprised that this the cozy apologist.

>>41847641
Tell you what, go and trap someone in a room against their will for a few days, then let them out, then try to argue to the court that you're no different from Fox News. See what happens.

You clearly have never been trapped - as in, actually unable to leave - somewhere for any extended length of time. I have. I spent three months trapped in another country unable to leave. And that was with me staying with family the whole time in a modern first-word country, it's not like I was in jail or Bosnia or anything. It still ranks as among the worst experiences of my life. I was utterly miserable the whole time and the after-effects of it fucked me up royal for years afterwards.

>>41847649
>You've done nothing but lie and gaslight
"Gaslighting" is trying to pass off coercion and brainwashing as no big deal. "Gaslighting" is looking at Starlight Glimmer very obviously prepared to inflict bodily harm on her former followers and trying to pass it off as her just wanting to harmlessly teleport them somewhere.

>>41847633
The brainwashing room was clearly only used to punish severe crimes, dumbfuck. The mane six were conspiring against the town, they literally fucked around and found out.

>>41847430
Tempest was trying to capture the Princess while Cozy was trying to murder.

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>>41847662
>AAAIIIIEEEEE Glimmy is painfully torturing and coercing me with her well choreographed, catchy Our Town song

>>41847662
Keep your sadistic fetish out of the show, you're a disgustingly sick nigger you know that.

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>>41847664
God I hate you niggers so much. You've fucked around (been a massive disingenuous retard on /mlp/) so now you can find out (get a molotov thrown through your window at night). Fuck you. Kill yourself. Death to all glimmerniggers.

>>41847664
>they literally fucked around
Been a while since you actually watched the episode, hasn't it?

Starlight Glimmer invited the M6 to stay after Twilight openly explained their purpose there. The M6 then did nothing but go to Sugar Belle's shop and ordered some muffins. They had a disagreement, then got past it, and Sugar Belle asked them how that was possible and they just said that simple disagreements wouldn't make them stop being friends. Then Sugar Belle invites them inside her house and the Main-6 meet La Resistance. Sugar Belle, Night Glider, and Party Favor reveal that they already miss their cutie marks, and plainly have since well before the M6 showed up.

After that all the M6 did was ask to see the old cutie marks, and Starlight simply being told by Pinkie (accidentally) that some of Our Town miss their cutie marks is enough to get Starlight decide to take the Main-6's cutie marks against their will.

They didn't "fuck around and find out". They were asked questions, answered them honestly, and Starlight couldn't tolerate that because she's a selfish cunt at this point in her life and won't tolerate anything that risks her personal therapy session.

>>41847697
NO NO NO MY BELOVED GLIMMY CAN NEVER DO WRONG NOOOO

>>41847697
Anon, his response is that Starlight is allowed to arbitrarily make up any rules she wants, not tell anyone what they are or when they change, and that if anyone breaks the ever changing rules in her head that they immediately void all their rights.

>>41847697
Oh ho ho, once again you're too autistic to understand what happened. The "resistance" didn't want the m6 telling Starlight who told them about the vault because the vault isn't meant for outsiders. The moment m6 brazenly asked to see the vault Starlight knew what was up, that the m6 were interrogating villagers and conspiring against the town's interests. That's why she brought along an entourage of villagers to block and capture them within the cave.

>>41847686
> Keep your sadistic fetish out of the show
We’ve seen Starlight teleport herself and other ponies before. It didn’t involve a spiralling charge-up of magical energy around her horn like we see when she’s about to cast something at her former followers. So whatever she was going to cast, it wasn’t a teleportation spell. So what does that leave? It’s not her cutie unmarking spell, that doesn’t have a windup or the spiral.

So what DO you think it was?

>>41847744
>20 seconds later gets proven right
Psychic post.

>>41836359
nigga fuck cozy glow she’s unquestionably evil

>>41847750
Kool-aid-anon is just mad he has no argument against it. Our Town and its laws were established together. They decided from the beginning what rules they want to be governed by.

>>41847764
You just reaffirmed exactly what he said but then went "and that's perfectly okay."

>>41847745
> The "resistance" didn't want the m6 telling Starlight who told them about the vault because the vault isn't meant for outsiders
So…why didn’t Stsrlight just tell the M6 “no, the vault isn’t for outsiders”?

> that the m6 were interrogating villagers
Some “interrogation”. The M6 were only in a position to ask at all because they had been openly invited to talk to three of them who missed their cutie marks and openly opined a desire to have them back, even temporarily.

> and conspiring against the town's interests
Starlight’s interests, you mean. Sugar Belle plainly and of her own free will, without any prompting, expressed a desire to have her cutie mark back.

> That's why she brought along an entourage of villagers to block and capture them within the cave.
You know, Our Town is consistently described as being at the “edge” of Equestria but never beyond it. So as long as we’re on the subject of fucking around and finding out, what do you think the punishment for kidnapping and attacking a princess is in Equestria? Going by prior examples in the show it’s one of banishment to the moon, petrification, exile from Equestria, or immurement in Tartarus. Starlight might have been in charge of Our Town but that made her, at best, equivalent in power to a mayor. Not someone who can just expect to get away with assault and kidnapping.

>>41847770
Anon, why do you think different towns, states, countries have different laws? They're ALL made up, retard.

>>41847779
Then your appeal to legality is worthless because you're actually just making a might makes right argument. In which case Starlight lost therefore she was in the wrong so get bent, faggot.

>>41847791
>non-sequitur

>>41847794
Not my fault you can't follow the logical conclusions of your own arguments.

>>41847746
Answered this multiple times, the crystal prison. She didn't master teleporting until tutoring under Twilight. She specifically tried to avoid confrontation by running away and cutting off paths. If she wanted to hurt them she'd have done so while they were all weak and defenseless without their cutie marks.

>>41847801
>no argument

>>41847777
>So…why didn’t Stsrlight just tell the M6 “no, the vault isn’t for outsiders”?
They weren't supposed to know about it in the first place. It is the linchpin that holds the village's ideology together and is easily sabotaged just by throwing a wooden stick at it.

>Starlight’s interests
The town's interests. A few ponies feeling "homesick" doesn't change that.

>Our Town is consistently described as being at the “edge” of Equestria but never beyond it.
You have no proof they are under Equestria's jurisdiction or if even the law system works like that at all in that fantasy world, so that's all conjecture. It's also shown princesses can decide whatever the fuck they want. Luna gets pardoned for her two counts of attempted regicide and world domination. Twilight knew she was fucking around just because the map told her to and she even apologizes to Starlight for that later on.

>>41847805
> the crystal prison
When we see Twilight cast the same spell in “The Cutie Re-Mark Part 2”, it doesn’t have a wind-up nor a spiral effect around her horn, so it stands to reason that Starlight was not casting that spell.

Want to try again?

>>41847805
> They weren't supposed to know about it in the first place.
That sounds like a reason to give Sugsr Belle a stern talking-to, not assault a Princess of Equestria, steal her cutie mark, and subject her to a brainwashing attempt.

> It is the linchpin that holds the village's ideology together and is easily sabotaged just by throwing a wooden stick at it.
You know, the Kaaba in Mecca is sacred to Islam, but it’s also been destroyed by invaders like two or three times. The Muslims just rebuilt it. And even if they had been somehow prevented from doing so the Koran specifically contains passages saying that it’s ultimately no big deal because Allah is merciful and oft-forgiving and doesn’t expect Muslims to do the impossible.

If Starlight’s ideology is so fragile that it can’t exist without a physical thing, then it’s not much of an ideology. If it can be broken, then it must be broken.

> A few ponies feeling "homesick" doesn't change that.
Except of course that it turned out to be a lot more than just a few, didn’t it? Especially once they learned that Starlight had been a hypocritical cunt. And if they’re all equal then Sugsr Belle’s voice is just as powerful as Starlight’s, isn’t it?

> You have no proof they are under Equestria's jurisdiction
I literally just provided the proof. It is at the edge of Equestria. It is not beyond it. We know this because in Season 8 the Cutie Map specifically expands to show lands beyond Equestria. Our Town is *unquestionably* inside of Equestria’s jurisdiction.

> It's also shown princesses can decide whatever the fuck they want.
Then Twilight was within her rights to ensure that Starlight allows the residents of Our Town to reclaim their cutie marks whenever they want,

God Glimmerniggers are fucking pathetic

>>41847860
>When we see Twilight cast the same spell
Single target vs AOE. And it doesn't necessarily have to be the crystal prison exactly. Magic has unlimited possibilities, any harmless incapacitating spell will work. She specifically tried to avoid confrontation by running away and cutting off paths. If she wanted to hurt them she'd have done so while they were all weak and defenseless without their cutie marks.

>>41847878
>it's magic therefore there's no logic to it whatsoever
Okay, so she was casting a spell to turn them into exploding eggs.

>>41847889
Only a mentally ill sadistic nigger like you would think that.

>>41847894
>projecting glimmertard defending his sadistic psycho waifu and claiming she dindu nuffin

>>41847899
Sure, and Twilight was actually raping and molesting dozens of foals for years.

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>>41847912
>Twilight Twilight Twilight out of NOWHERE
I accept your final concession

>>41847917
Oh can't refute it? See how stupid your argument is.

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>>41847862
I love how this mare mindbroke you autistic retards.

>>41847921
>You can't refute this completely fabricated nonsense so it's the same as me having no counter to the fact that Starlight regularly abuses everyone around her and enjoys doing so

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>>41847937
>ahhhhhhhhh comfy voice from a speaker ABUSE ABUSE

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>>41847944
I don't even need to come up with an argument in response to this deranged post, it's just so self-evidently pathetic

>>41846626
Hey, Niggers. What's up? You chatting about villain redemptions and what is mentally more damaging?

Mind if I chime in from out of the box?
Hey I can do in the box analysis too, but I'll laugh at you.

>>41847862
>>41847929
One of Glimmer's powers beyond the 4th wall

>>41847862
You will never win. The tunnel vision to see Glimmer in holy light is irrefutable, and whether or not a well argument is put up, it will always be that you're the one that's wrong, and Glimmer is perfect. Don't even bother.

>>41847949
>back up against the wall with no response
That's right, it's all your fanfiction. If there was any abuse going on the villagers would have revolted long ago and wouldn't have respected her as a friend so much or forgiven her.

>>41847966
All headcanon. Thinking the villagers respected her is headcanon. The only thing explicitly shown is the villagers conniving behind her back or getting thrown into locked rooms without their consent, your wrong your wrong your looking at things the wrong way because I said so, Glimmer is evil.

>>41847944
but but but Glimmer was raping and torturing everyone, she castrated all the stallions and forbade anyone to shower!!!

>>41847964
>>41847966
*Rips your ticket to Equestria* sayonara, Gaijin.
But don't fret. I'll leave you with not 1 but 2 good episodes for how a creep like Umbridge/Starlight should have been handled; Google: a man called Krinkle.
I know you Sonic/Bronyfags only ever watched Star Trek n Dr Who all your lives.

>>41847664
Actually in denial. so sad

>>41847970
Because you said so you must be right. Damn it all!!!!111

>>41847980
Deflection. Stop being wrong.

>>41847860
>That sounds like a reason to give Sugsr Belle a stern talking-to
That's why Starlight asked who snitched.

>Kaaba in Mecca
kek, completely irrelevant

>Except of course that it turned out to be a lot more than just a few
No, just those three. Everyone got mad at the revelation of Starlight's cutie mark as that was the number one rule of the town.

>I literally just provided the proof.
The show never goes into detail how Equestria's judicial system works, you're pulling shit out of your ass.

>Then Twilight was within her rights to ensure that Starlight allows the residents of Our Town to reclaim their cutie marks whenever they want
She did what she thought was best like when stealing the orb in the movie.

>>41847970
This completely unironically

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>>41847949
>literally no argument

>>41847998
>gets shown that the show explicitly disproves what he says
>"no that doesn't count, the show didn't talk about it enough"

>>41848012
It's doubtful that Our Town pays taxes or even has bits. Why didn't Celestia or Luna do anything about it?

>>41848012
Twilight apologizes to Starlight for liberating her town which means she felt she was wrong for doing that on some level.

>>41848020
Maybe because they didn't know about the cult because they aren't omniscient and can't personally handle every single problem that exists in Equestria? What the hell kind of question is that?
And why would her cult not paying taxes make them exempt from Equestrian law? You're seriously smoking some shit.

>>41848028
This is a non-sequitur.

>>41848020
Arguing about Equestrian law is pretty dumb anyway. The law could simply allow each town to have their own laws.

>>41847966
Noooo you're not allowed to use logic and facts! Glimmy is evil!

If the evil writers don’t believe in the concept of forgiveness, does that mean I should never forgive them for writing this godawful ending? I mean, you know, by their own logic.

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>>41847889
>it's a death ray meant to instagib them into a pile of gore just because i'm an edgelord also don't go to school tomorrow
kek

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I kind of don't understand why the Cutie Map send the Mane Six to Our Town... as their FIRST mission. Like, isn't there something more important than that? Something more urgent? Especially since Our Town did not really have a friendship problem as they were all willing in their ideology of equality.. Why? I... just have to assume that the Cutie Map took them to Our Town, not to dismantle the town, but to recruit Starlight into the ranks of protecting Equestria like she later did help with many times.

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>>41848187
The cutie map did eventually get its way by the finale after Twilight finally had the proper knowledge to fix Starlight's friendship problem from the experiences she gained throughout s5, mainly Amending Fences and What About Discord. We can assume the elements has omniscient knowledge on how to protect Equestria, like an entity that controls destiny writing the story of the world. In order to bait Starlight into using the cutie map later on she needed to be deposed in the beginning of s5. It's questionable whether any of those timelines were real either because of the cutie map's influence linked with the time travel spell, it may have been subtly manipulating Twilight and Starlight. Because if you think about it, the timelines consistently getting worse and worse after making the same change seems unlikely even with the butterfly effect in play, Twilight comments on that strangeness as well. If the cutie map had waited to fix Our Town by the finale instead, Twilight would have solved the problem in a different way, one where she successfully convinces Starlight to return everyone's cutie marks and she isn't taken in as a student. But without Starlight as a student, the timeline is doomed as Chrysalis takes over the world. Yeah, I believe recruiting Starlight was its ultimate goal. It's poetic how Starlight's friendship with the m6 also becomes critically important to Equestria.

>>41836359
Get over it

>>41836359
>murderers
>killers
I challenge you to smash those statues, grind them down to a dust at a mill, then put it in a pot. The process is similar to cremation.
...Not willing? Looks like they're not dead, after all. Even (you) don't believe your own statement.

>>41836359
Hey, are you DeusExEquus? That guy who quit the fandom because of ending and make a whole comic to fix it?

>>41848408
DeusExEquus may be pretty pissy, but even he doesn't talk like this.

>>41848414
Did you see the pdf file he posted on DeviantArt? Sounds exactly like this guy

>>41848255
It's sort of like that philosophical question whether you were dead if your were invisible to the world. Say you were to suddenly disappear of the face of the planet, and the rest of your "life" were spent in a endless void, are you really still living? All the concepts of living are unobtainable now that you're a statue. You do not eat, move, interact. That kind of stasis might as well be death.

>>41848422
Then grind them to dust

>>41848561
No, because this thread is about untstoning them one day.

>>41847878
> Single target vs AOE
We’ve never seen that affect spellcasting before.

> Magic has unlimited possibilities, any harmless incapacitating spell will work.
If it was going to be harmless, then why did Twilight feel a need to jump in the way and conjure up a shield spell, which then proceeded to clearly protect her and the ponies behind her from kinetic force.

> She specifically tried to avoid confrontation by running away
She was running to get to the cutie marks and either destroy them or, at best, steal them so no one could have them in spite of their clear will otherwise (because Starlight’s will to deny people cutie marks trumps others’ will to have them back, despite the fact that they’re supposed to be equal? What a selfish cunt).

She’d previous demonstrated willingness to knock one of them out of the sky with falling snow, enough to burry the hapless pegasus. As anyone who’s ever been hit by snow falling off their roof can tell you, that hurts, especially if it’s enough to leave you buried.

>>41847998
> kek, completely irrelevant
No, it’s pretty relevant.
>Islam can survive the destruction of the Kaaba because Islam is bigger than the Kaaba
>Stsrlight’s town can’t survive the destruction of the cutie mark keeper stone because equalism isn’t bigger than ponies getting their cutie marks back and realizing they missed them
>Therefore, Starlight’s whole moral philosophy is worse than Islam

> Everyone got mad at the revelation of Starlight's cutie mark as that was the number one rule of the town.
And what does it say about a philosophy when its founder won’t follow its biggest rule?
What does it say about said founder?

> The show never goes into detail how Equestria's judicial system works
It pretty much does. The legal system is clearly based on favor with the Princesses. You suffer punishment or are granted leniency based on that favor.

> She did what she thought was best like when stealing the orb in the movie.
I dunno if you’re trying to make this a “gotcha!” Or something, but I actually think Twilight did the correct thing in the movie in that scene, just not the right thing. Not in a moral sense, mind, I mean the distinction in gaming terms in games where players are working with incomplete information, such as poker. The correct move is the move you should make based on all the information you have available to you and the current state of the board. The right movie is the move you should actually make. Ideally the correct move and the right move are the same move, but not always.

>>41848020
They didn’t know it existed. So you can add tax evasion to Starlight’s list of crimes, too. Just like a lot of cults.

>>41848255
It's a matter of perspective.

Given the power, I might have petrified in the moment, not as a punishment, but as an effective means of containing them while I went about trying to figure out the best way to get them the help they all so obviously need. My version of petrification is expressly temporary, meant to last only a few months on the outside and more likely a few weeks. So it's definitely not an execution because the condition is intended to be temporary.

What we actually saw in the show was petrification being used as a final punishment for them. The intent of Celestia, Luna, and Discord was to turn them to stone, forever. Discord says as much, no one contradicts him, and no later material suggest that the Trio were ever released from stone. The intent of the princesses was to permanently remove the Trio from society and permanently remove their ability to do anything that could constitute "life". They cannot think, they cannot feel, they cannot laugh or cry. They cannot affect the world around them nor even affect themselves, and they are intended to remain this way until the heat-death of the universe as far as we can tell.

In that sense, from the perspective of the princesses, it was an execution, because there is no functional difference between what they intended to happen to the Trio and what would happen if they'd actually killed them.

>>41848187
>Especially since Our Town did not really have a friendship problem
The leader of the town was lying to the entire town about her following the biggest rule of the town, and there were ponies in town who opined about having their cutie marks back but were too terrified to talk openly about it.

You don't think that constitutes a friendship problem?

>>41836359
oh boy
another thread about golly pedos being mad they cant fuck her because she's a statue
give it a fucking rest

>>41836406
>Murder is bad.
No. Murder of good people is bad.
Murder of scum is good.

>>41836440
After Cozy got free and got her second chance she decided to do evil again.

Clearly the punishment wasn't harsh enough first time.

Every now and then I consider writing a fic where Starlight is looking into alternate timelines where Discord recruits more or alternate members into the Legion of Doom.

>She looks at a universe where Trixie never took off the Alicorn Amulet because she saw through Twilight's tricks, so Celestia and Luna had to get involved and Trixie ends up petrified. Discord-as-Grogar eventually breaks her loose and recruits her into the Legion. Cut to the end, Trixie is just as unwilling to change as the rest and ends up part of the Legion's statue.

"Okay," Starlight says, "but she's got an evil artifact here and has for years. So what if..."

>She looks at a timeline where she never figures out Starlight and so remains a constant thorn in Twilight's side. The changelings are defeated by Thorax figuring out on his own to share love and reform, she wasn't needed. Discord eventually recruits her into the legion of doom, stuff goes down, she refuses to reform and ends up petrified.

"W-well, I spent years stewing in my own resentment. Doesn't mean anything..."

>She looks at a timeline where Twilight grabs the Staff of Sacanas rather than Tempest. Tempest was badly hurt by the hurricane as a result but manages to slink off and recover. Discord recruits her into the Legion of Doom. She ends up petrified with the rest.

"I mean...she was pretty bad to begin with! But...she did change...hmm, I wonder..."

>Looks into a timeline where the Trio never get the Bewitching Bell (and thus also never get the idea to spread hate through Equestria). "Grogar" and the Legion attack Twilight's coronation and the plan goes off mostly without a hitch. Twilight and her friends eventually rally and defeat them. "Grogar" reveals it was all a clever ruse on his part. The Legion, furious, swear eternal vengeance. They're petrified

"I mean I guess I can understand why they'd be annoyed there, Discord really did...Discord..."

>On a whim, looks into a timeline where Chrysalis isn't recruited into the Legion because Discord finds her too pathetic. Instead he just corrals Sombra into line. But in this timeline while on a field trip into the Everfree, Ocellus stumbles across Chrysalis. Chrysalis kidnaps her and the other Students band together to rescue her, but during the kidnapping Ocellus and Chrysalis talk a bunch, and Ocellus gets through to her. Chrysalis is defeated - by a bunch of CHILDREN - and that plus Ocellus' words convince Chrysalis to try and turn over a new leaf. She joins the Friendship School in disguise with Ocellus and the other Students actually helping her. There are hijinks (including Chrysalis trying a revenge plot against Starlight) but in the end she actually helps evacuate the School when Alicorn Cozy comes a-knockin' and helps Starlight against alicorn Cozy, though she ultimately fails alongside Starlight. In the end, the alternate Legion is defeated but Chrysalis remains free.

"W-wait, what? Chrysalis COULD reform?"

1/2

>>41836557
>They literally gave her 24/7 access to a bad influence to ensure that there’d be a 0% chance of reformation.

Not being evil is her responsibility, not others. Their only responsibility is making sure she can't harm anyone.

>>41848867
Fuck you! There was no second chance, what the fuck are you talking about?! Her “second chance” was being manipulated into going along with an evil scheme. No one EVER gave her a chance!!!

>>41848873
It literally is others’ responsibility if they have any interest whatsoever in defending Equestria. Pretty embarrassing that the retards that are constantly defending this ending can’t even wrestle with the fact that it’s an in-universe policy failure that always seems to result in a return. And you’re not even kidding yourselves about that either, the only reason that it got to turn into murder was because this was the final season. Do you honestly believe that if this scene happened and then the show kept on indefinitely that we wouldn’t see them back? It’s almost like reforming people IS the Princess of Friendship’s responsibility! Again, they deserve to die in-universe for this and I’m so fucking happy that they all did!

>>41848869
2/2

>Looks into a timeline where Cozy Glow is sentenced to repeat the school year instead of sent to Tartarus. The alternate Legion this timeline is Sombra, Cozy, and Tirek. In this timeline Cozy when repeating school is kind of powerless to do anything since everyone knows about her, but she does keep trying but also keeps getting foiled by the Student-6 and Starlight and Sunset and Trixie. Eventually it's pointed out, by Trixie of all ponies, that her entire philosophy was "friendship = power" but these petty revenge schemes are preventing her from making any friends so how is she supposed to get any power? Cozy actually realizes this and settles down, a little, and starts actually trying to make friends and slowly but surely starts learning actual friendship lessons. When the Legion of Doom rise up this time Cozy escapes with the other students, she hears about the Bewitching Bell and realizes she knows a little about it from all her magical research, and passes information along to Twilight. It ends up being instrumental in defeating the Legion. They end up petrified, Cozy ends up free and continues to get better. In fact in this timeline Twilight's depressed funk is a lot shorter specifically because she's working with more information thanks to Cozy.

"Hang on. COZY GLOW helped save Equestria? And the Legion STILL won't embrace friendship? But why not, and why do they keep doing it when Discord DIDN'T recruit them?! Unless...hang on..."

>The ultimate test. A timeline where Tirek isn't recruited by the Legion. It's hard to find, but Starlight eventually does - a timeline where the Storm King's forces freed the prisoners of Tartarus looking for recruits, and Tirek joined up, only to eventually turn on the Storm King ("Equestria isn't YOURS to conquer") and Tempest (after absorbing a fair bit of power, but he's still well below the strongest he's ever been), but by then the Storm King has the Staff and due to circumstances hasn't turned on Tempest (they're too busy dealing with Tirek to have a spat). During the fight Tirek realizes he is on the losing end of a beam struggle. If he can't have Equestria, though, the Storm King sure can't. So he sends magic Twilight's way, getting blasted away in the process but the empowered Twilight is able to pull off a surprise attack, get the Staff, and restore the Princesses, and the four of them proceed to defeat Tempest and the Storm King.
>Tirek freely admits that he did what he did out of a desire to keep Equestria for his own conquest later, NOT because he's turned over a new leaf. Still, he DID help save Equestria, and so Princess Cadance actually decides to take it upon herself to visit Tirek on occasion in Tartarus. They end up taking tea together and playing a lot of chess, and Cadance actually grinds down Tirek slightly - but only a little.

2/3 it turns out

>>41848908
2/3

>He still gets letters from Cozy in secret and still helps her out since it happens early on, but as time goes by he actually starts to think he may have made a mistake, since he's actually come to look forward to Cadance's visits. When the M6 come to Tartarus he's initially just like in canon if somewhat less smug about it but eventually gives in easier when Twilight points out Cadance won't be able to visit him anymore (or Shining, he comes by sometimes too). He relents without needing nearly as much convincing. Cozy Glow is stopped. Tirek, as a reward for his efforts and because Twilight can see that he is actually turning over a new leaf despite his protestations to the contrary, is actually put on probation outside of Tartarus - albeit in the custody of the Crystal Empire (remember: in his weakest form, Tirek can only take power from unicorns, and only a bare handful live in the Crystal Empire).
>The Legion in this timeline is Cozy, Sombra, Chrysalis, the Storm King and Tempest. Arguably the most powerful iteration of them. Arguably the most powerful iteration of the Legion yet. Sombra is allowed to get himself killed but that still leaves the other four. Tirek never fights the Legion - he's too weak to - but he does help Twilight with her research when she flees to the Crystal Empire and once again helps keep her spirits up. The Legion is defeated, they swear eternal vengeance and are all of them petrified.

Starlight is shaken to her core, because she's noticed the recurring patterns.
1) If a villain falls into Discord-as-Grogar's clutches, their petrification is guaranteed.
2) If a villain stays outside the shadow of Discord's mismatched horns, then they turn over a new leaf.

Discord, she realizes, is the problem.

The main reason I haven't written the fic is because I don't really know where to take things from here, since I don't want Discord to have actively been damning people, plus someone (probably Sunburst) would point out that so much had to change for the reformations to happen in the alternate timelines (especially Tirek's) that they can't be sure that it applies to THEIR Tirek. I don't want to write a fic that exists solely to hate on Discord, even if I hate Discord.

>>41848873
>Their only responsibility is making sure she can't harm anyone.
Which they failed to do given that they never even checked up on her after putting her in Tartarus, a jail that has had at least two major security breaches in about three or four years.

>>41848908
>>Looks into a timeline where Cozy Glow is sentenced to repeat the school year instead of sent to Tartarus. The alternate Legion this timeline is Sombra, Cozy, and Tirek.
*Sombra, Chrysalis, and Tirek, rather.

>and Sunset
*Sunburst, rather. Mea culpa both times.

>>41848827
Erm no tiny sweetie boy, they were just being silly for not mindlessly obeying the pure and innocent Glimmy's commands without question

>>41849065
Why doesn’t she obey their commands? I thought they were equal.

>>41848731
>We’ve never seen that affect spellcasting before.
Twilight has used AOE spells before multiple times.

>If it was going to be harmless, then why did Twilight feel a need to jump in the way
To stop them from being incapacitated. If it was lethal Twilight would have berated her for attempted murder and arrest her.

>She was running
If she wanted to kill them like in your poorly written edgy fanfiction, she wouldn't need to run, she'd have killed them all while they were weak and defenseless without their cutie marks.

>destroy them
If that was the case she wouldn't need to run, she'd leverage that threat to get them to do what she wants.

>Starlight’s will to deny people cutie marks
She let her villagers have their cutie marks back, she only took off with the m6's

>falling snow
Cartoon physics, harmless.

>>41848928
Honestly, this is a pretty good idea. I'd love to see it in story form.

>I don't really know where to take things from here
Have Starlight think about what to do, then relay the information to Twilight. Seems like a logical set of events to eventually reform the remaining unreformed villains. Wouldn't even need to have much to do with Discord, maybe confront him about it at the end or something. You can also leave the ending ambiguous if you want. Just have the rest be a discussion on reforming them. There are a lot of ways this can go.

>>41849346
> Twilight has used AOE spells before multiple times.
Moron. My point was that whether a spell is a single target or AoE, that has never affected the way it manifests.

> If it was lethal Twilight would have berated her for attempted murder and arrest her.
Why? She never berated Tempest for the same.

> she'd have killed them all while they were weak and defenseless without their cutie marks.
Unless she was trying to be nonlethal at first but after failing totally, her former followers turning on her, and then having to dig herself out of a pile of snow that they brought down on her, she let her anger dictate her actions. This would be in-character for her as Starlight shows many times that she makes poor decisions/snap judgments when stressed out.

> she only took off with the m6's
So your defense of her is that she was willing to steal from people who never agreed to live by her rules, and that makes her a moral pony?

>>41849442
> So your defense of her is that she was willing to steal from people who never agreed to live by her rules, and that makes her a moral pony?

“My cult leader told me to drink the Kool-aid AND I LISTENED” Anon might not just be a faggot. He might be a gypsy faggot.

>>41849442
>that has never affected the way it manifests.
Your first thought going to murder tells us more about how sick and twisted of a human being you are.

>Why?
Because it wasn't lethal.

>This would be in-character
Nope, she never used violence or killed anyone before.

>that makes her a moral pony?
What makes Starlight's villainy so great is that she has good intentions but went about it the wrong way. You're under the false impression that I think she "dindu nuffin", but I'm not one of those types of trixie/lunafags. I do not condone of her use of brainwashing, kidnapping the m6, or revenge on Twilight. I'm merely defending her from psychopathic niggers like you slandering her with blatant sadistic lies and wildly blowing things out of proportion because apparently a light-hearted kid's show is too much for your autism to comprehend.

>>41849548
That anon should be put on a watchlist before he becomes the next BH.

>>41849548
but glimmy killed my parents and she sex trafficked all the foals and she beat up my dog and and and she's just mega evil okay

Is this a troll thread?

>>41836385
I thought discord tricked them into doing it.

>>41836406
>Murder is bad
But it wasn't murder.

>>41849784
It was too.

Technically it was stone.
Tho its probaly worse

>>41849848
Nope still don't see it.

>>41849548
> Your first thought going to murder tells us more about how sick and twisted of a human being you are.
It doesn’t go there on its own. Everything about the scene and the moment frames Starlight as being willing to, if not kill her former followers, then at least harm them. From the expression on her face, to the looks of terror on theirs, to Twilight feeling the need to intervene, to the blast being a protracted one that causes the camera to shake and is clearly portrayed as packing concussive force. I think that Starlight wanted to harm them because the makers of the show used well-established film language to convey to the audience that exact desire from Starlight.

But as previously mentioned, you come across as autistic and far too eager to drink the kool-aid, so it doesn’t surprise me that you didn’t pick up on the sorts of things that directors have used as shorthands to explain character motivation and intent for literally more than a century.

> Because it wasn't lethal.
Then there would have been no reason to rush forward to throw up a shield.

> she never used violence
When she stole the M6’s cutie marks? That is a violent act. She used magical force to strip away an intrinsic part of them without their consent.

> she has good intentions
The road to Hell is paved with those. It doesn’t matter how good her intentions were, what matters is the reality of what she did, which was create a cult of personality with rules she couldn’t be bothered to follow herself, but which she brutally enforced on others to the point of them being terrified of even the appearance of questioning her. When ponies show up and clearly demonstrate that her philosophy is wrong by having cutie marks but still being friends, her reaction is to attack them, steal their cutie marks, imprison them, and attempt to brainwash them to her cause. When her cult finally breaks down because her lies are exposed she doesn’t try to make a clean getaway, she instead runs off to seize the stolen cutie marks so that she can spitefully keep them from their rightful owners, because ultimately this was never about helpi mg others, it was about making others hurt the same way she felt hurt. And when she failed at even that, she reached a point where she was willing to inflict harm on her former followers.

She was a bad pony in Season 5. A straight-up supervillain.

>>41848869
>She looks at a universe where Trixie never took off the Alicorn Amulet because she saw through Twilight's tricks, so Celestia and Luna had to get involved and Trixie ends up petrified.
The fact this actually could've had a chance of happening upsets me.

>>41849938
>Everything about the scene
Frames Starlight as only wanting to stop her pursuers. The context you're missing is that this is a kid's show about adorable colorful ponies and friendship. This isn't John Wick or whatever you think it is. But you're severely autistic so you're unable to differentiate themes and tones set by the creators and your sadism fetish blinds your judgement making you only want to see ponies suffer.

>Then there would have been no reason to rush forward to throw up a shield.
To stop them from being incapacitated. Twilight isn't that apathetic.

>That is a violent act.
Nope, next you're going to tell me words are violence.

>It doesn’t matter how good her intentions were
Sociopaths like you only see the world in black and white.
>what matters is the reality of what she did
Yes, she created a community for ponies to make and preserve friendships under the banner of equality to help others avoid the same fate she met. She gave downtrodden ponies a place to call home and her villagers respected her as a friend so much so that they were willing to continue the status quo even after her lie was found out which shows how much she cared about them. She used words as her weapon, rarely lifted a hoof to do anything, instead relying on her followers. Her methods were bad, but they were in service to a greater good. The brainwashing, which was only just quotes being played on a speaker, as a punishment to severe crime was a way to help keep friends so nopony would be sad. Arresting the m6 for conspiring against the town was in protection of the community that was under threat. There are so many layers making her by far the most complex villain in the series.

>supervillain
She is the least "villain" out of all the villains. Closer to a Trixie who's an antagonist than the next villain up in the scale.

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>>41850179
>She is the least "villain" out of all the villains.
God.

>>41850179
> The context you're missing is that this is a kid's show about adorable colorful ponies and friendship
By this point in the show we’d already seen a chaos god framed in Satanic imagery sadistically torturing ponies for his own amusement, a unicorn mind-controlling an entire town to be obsessed with a doll, multiple instances of child abuse including but not limited to Trixie whipping Snips and Snails, and an evil unicorn vaporized twice. As a start. The idea that Starlight, expressly a hypocrite willing to resort to violence already, could reach a point of frustration and anger such that she’d violently lash out at those who turned on her and foiled her plans, is in no way beyond the pale.

> To stop them from being incapacitated
They don’t need to be stopped from being incapacitated. If it’s genuinely harmless then there is no need to stop it from happening in favor of prioritizing nabbing Starlight.

I’m reminded of a scene in Star Trek where during a shootout on a cowboy planet one of the baddies grabs a crewman and threatens to blow her brains out with his revolver. The other crewman just shrugs and shoots her himself with his phaser rather than let her be used as a hostage - his weapon is set to stun so it allows him to harmlessly clear the line of fire.

> Nope
Yes. Any court you care to name on Earth would label it as such, anyway. Specifically it would be called assault and battery, which I don’t know if you know this, but harmlessly poking someone in the shoulder can be and has been successfully argued as assault and battery. I cannot imagine that unwanted magical contact in Equestria would not be considered the same.

> Sociopaths
“Sociopathy” is seeing someone rip out an intrinsic part of someone against their will and saying that the ripper has done nothing wrong.

>>41850155
I mean let me be a little fair to the princesses in this specific situation: I’m acting on the assumption that even they cannot forcefully remove the Alicorn Amulet without also removing Trixie’s head, but at the same time it obviously would be a bad idea to let someone wearing said Amulet walk around freely, but also I don’t think any prison could hold Trixie. Petrification in this instance really is the best, most humane solution I can come up with, assuming a timeline where Trixie just absolutely refuses to take the amulet off.

>>41850306
*oh, with the caveat that Celestia better be immediately setting someone to the task of coming up with a way to remove the Amulet without harming Trixie.

>>41849653
Yep, it definitely is and I'm not surprised. Likely somebody passing off as a Cozy Glow fan.

>>41848408
Welp, now I know who shares part of the blame for having the MLP fandom become the way it is. Dues has a Deviantart too so I just went and blocked him. He brainwashed a lot of people since from the looks of things. I guess real life is the best teacher that some people don't deserve redemption so by Dues' logic, I should forgive people who nearly killed me when they thought it was funny to suffocate me in a mattress when I was a kid.

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>it's another episode of "glimmerniggers hijack a thread to run propaganda about how she dindu nuffin"

>>41850362
> now I know who shares part of the blame for having the MLP fandom become the way it is
The fact that you think we needed someone to “brainwash” us into thinking that it’s wrong to kill a child is genuinely distressing.

>>41850366
they don't stoop as low as trixieniggers or lunaniggers.

>>41850388
Not true.

>>41850393
>still falseflagging

>>41850411
Can you really call it a falseflag if I don't put any effort into pretending to like Glimmer? I just want real Glimmerniggers to have to filter their own flag.

>>41850388
Trixie dads at least have a point when we point out that she did literally nothing wrong in her first appearance. She’s a show pony. She started getting heckled and responded for the hecklers in ways that embarrassed them but causes no lingering harm. While she lies about being able to take on an Ursa Major, she at no point implies anyone should try and get one for her to prove it, that’s the fault of two idiot kids who do so without her knowledge. Once confronted by what she *thinks* is an Ursa Major, though, she does consistently stand between it and the aforementioned idiot kids and do her level best to try and defeat it. In the process her home/place of work is destroyed. Twilight comes along and beats the ursa. Trixie tries to save some face with bragging and runs off.

If we’re drinking the same kool-aid as >>41850293 then “Boast Busters” Trixie commits no actual crimes, certainly nothing that rises to the level of justifying her home/place of work being destroyed as recompense. There’s a reason why from the day the episode aired Trixie has had apologists and sympathizers. Her narrative punishment was totally out of sync with her actual crimes.

When we get to “Magic Duel”, Trixie obviously does much worse - but at the same time she just as obviously, and expressly, is being pushed and corrupted by an evil artifact the entire time. It is impossible to separate what Trixie does of her total free will and what she does due to the Amulet’s corruption. But in the meantime we do see that between “Boast Busters” and “Magic Duel”, Trixie apparently tried to return to her lifestyle as a traveling performer, even getting a new wagon, and faced mockery and vandalism over the events of “Boast Busters” despite not being responsible for them.

Trixie is an arrogant blowhard who vastly overestimates her own capabilities and who rarely considers the feelings of others. But she didn’t deserve what happened in her first appearance and it’s easy to understand how it plus what happened in the meantime could lead to what she did in the second.

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>>41850179
>surrounding someone with a mob and forcibly extracting part of their identity with magic isn't violence
Why is it only Glimmerfags that cope this hard
Not even the Lunafags who make up shit that she was brainwashed by evil magic as Nightmare Moon are this delusional