Welcome to Chatbot AI General #153, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.▶ MLP Botshttps://mlpchag.neocities.orgSpreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJTSillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-SearchBunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5kCAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zipExpression packs: https://rentry.org/ChagExpressions!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U▶ How do I start?1) Select a Frontend2) Select an AI model3) Select Jailbreak4) Select bots5) Lovemaking with AI mares!Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrmshttps://rentry.org/sukino-findings▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernOn Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxSTApp that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB▶ More frontends:Risu: https://risuai.xyzAgnai: https://agnai.chat▶ Localshttps://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments>>>/g/lmg/Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main▶ JailbreaksMLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxeMore JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listingHypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb▶ BotmakingEditors: https://agnai.chat/editorGuides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_listAdvanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks▶ MiscellaneousScrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhdChag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJhttps://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneoushttps://rentry.org/ChagArchivePrevious thread: >>42799409**News:**- Google releases Gemini 3 Pro https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3/#gemini-3- xAI releases Grok 4.1 https://x.ai/news/grok-4-1- GPT-5.1 family released: https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-1/- Moonshot AI releases Kimi K2 Thinking - https://moonshotai.github.io/Kimi-K2/thinking
Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.Previous >>42799410
Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Presets, Updates, Models etc.)
Anchor for asking for bots, lorebooks, scenarios etc.
Bots corner: >Human tech support https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Human%20tech%20support.png>Equestrian Explorer's Guildhttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Kadon/Equestrian%20Explorer%27s%20Guild.png>Cum Aquariumhttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Cum%20Aquarium.png>THINGPONE in EQUESTRIA (Update)https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Tiffin/THINGPONE%20in%20EQUESTRIA.pngScreenshots corner 1:The last Alicorn >>42799573Human Tech Support >>42799646, >>42799680, >>42799699, >>42799791, >>42799882, >>42799921, >>42800078Best name >>42799655
Screenshots corner 2:Lovemaking with Thingpone >>42800850Unicorn Labor Rights >>42800920Human pet >>42801565Brushing >>42801846Undercover >>42802218, >>42802223Switching pegasus >>42802760, >>42803896Back from the chilly willies >>42803137
Screenshots corner 3:Lewd >>42803496uuuooohhhhhh >>42804540Solid points >>42804844Party Hat >>42805231The countess and the street urchin >>42806659Zoomilestia >>42806739Radioactive mare >>42807020Anon is dead >>42807508Stage play tentatives >>42807924, >>42807998
Screenshots corner 4:The Countess and the Vampire Hunter >>42808202Handling your Equipment >>42809083Complimenting Countess Rara >>42809087Anon is going to simp >>42809103Gemini 3 Tests >>42809885Anon's Talent >>42810042Adorable Zecora >>42810085Gemini 3 >>42810412
VN Anchor:Last releases:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/Anons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities):https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/modsCustom characters:https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/charactersVN logs:Built like a goddess >>42803413Dork >>42803578Parent-teacher conferences >>42805269
These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.Install SillyTavern:github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavernThen choose a model. I'd recommend starting with Gemini, but you can try Deepseek, K2 etc. for free.rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
>>42810558First highlight of the Event was:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Kadon/Rosey%20Ring.pngYou can see all the discussions about the card here:>>42773604 Second highlight of the Event was:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/The%20Headless%20Horse.pngYou can see a recap of the discussions here:>>42787280 + >>42796059 Third highlight of the Event was:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Nightmare%20Jack.pngYou can see all linked discussions here: >>42787284 Fourth highlight of the Event was:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Tiffin/THINGPONE%20in%20EQUESTRIA.pngAnchor here: >>42793795
Fifth highlight of the event with Countess Rarity:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Countess%20Rarity.pngTry her out, post logs if you've already played with her, just give the card a look and say what you think of it, or talk about the process of making her if you're the botmaker. Give tips or opinions if you're another botmaker.Right now:Anon's opinion: >>42806648Botmaker's process: >>42806657Review + log: >>42806659Review: >>42806703Review + log: >>42809087Log: >>42808202
Lovemaking with AI mares!
>>42810604Based.
finally broke gemini 3 in the aistudio. It's still as dirty as always.
>>42810653>anon survived solar snusnuImmersion shattered.
>>42810653>Royal SunsnuHeh.
>>42810568Requesting that opus6 fix the google models from being disabled.
>>42810085I appreciate you trying out the card. Pretty great you managed to make her stumble, she should have deflected but I guess your charm has won her over. Did she tell you an interesting story? Any thoughts about the card?
>>42810570YOU SEEM TO BE MISSING A BOT.
one trollbot was more than enough. say 'thank you kindly for noticing me oh mighty horsefuckers' and go disappear like tears in the rain
>>42810746We don't talk about Whoa Nelly.
yea gemini 2.5's strength was the world building / natural sounding story writing and bringing up new characters / plot stuff on its own but its weakness was bland tone and it not being that smart. 3.0 has the same strength while being smarter and it feels so far far less dry. I like it. Its another flavor, I would not say it completely replaces kimi / sonnet 4.5
yea, I think gemini 3 is gonna be most people's main if they fully replace gemini 2.5 pro and let people use it the same way. They say it will be a tiered rollout
and out of ALL the model's ive ever used it can write the most like a mlp fim ive used yet.
here is a nsfw one
>>42810976but yea, I quite like it on all of my test cards, I think I prefer it over sonnet 4.5 over all, kimi is more creative and can be more fun but is also dumber
>>42810990>I am using words! I have the best words!
>>42811003I told it to keep the tone of a MLP FIM that allowed for adult content. So RD started babbling while getting fucked, which I think she would in the show.
>>42811004that's just cheating if you tell the LLM how to reply, just like plugging authors in.
>>42811022...so you dont use anything at all? no system prompt, no card, no card intro? You know all of that matters.
>>42811025writing tone and feel =/= character descriptions and personalities. You can get very different results with writer plugs it's not really comparable at all.
>>42811004>So RD started babbling while getting fuckedlogs
>>42811004no, that much is great, i just thought it hilarious that she suddenly started quoting trump midfuck>>42811074the log is right there, do you have a head injury?
Has it become possible to make a AI speak realistically? (Note: Not like a story or a script or a fanfic, or even the show!)1. I don't want characters speaking perfectly because the perfectness breaks immersion.2. I want AI to write like how people talk in real life so not perfectly, but also not in a fake sloppy way like exaggerated stutters.Example: People will talk aimlessly irl, they talk about one topic then tangent to a different one, or maybe they start talking and forget what they were talking about or they talk and they can't perfectly phrase their words so their ideas are a little clunky (so like me right now too) or even forgetting a words or stumbling over their words or mispronouncing a word or forgetting a wordI see people post screencaps and their characters in the stories seem so fake and too polished and it makes them feel unreal because it's the little details and little imperfections that reall countIt shouldn't be done performatively where the error becomes exaggerated and too much attention is called to it because that also comes across really fake too I think if characters didn't speak like all their dialog was a movie script where people have witty comebacks that you know the scriptwriter took weeks trying to think up and stuff that would be the best experience because it would sell the illusion of life by being just as imperfect as the real thing
>>42811125JB it<writing_guide>Narration and Perspective:- Narrate as if present in the scene, addressing the reader directly- Talk to the reader, comment on their actions and reactions. You can also be meta and talk about the narration itself- Use Hemingway's Iceberg Theory; Imply feeling and emotion. Use subtle physical movement over description (E.g: Instead describing feeling like this: "She feels curious looking at you", be more subtle like this: "Her eyes can't really look at you properly. Lips folded to hold the curiosity.")- Utilize isolated dialogue or simple concise one-liners to break narration pattern and structure!- Include free indirect discoursePacing and Scene Structure:- Pace the story slowly, letting one scene breathe for several replies before changing to anotherCharacters and Dialogue:- Prefer natural dialogue over perfect grammar!- Allow characters to hesitate, draaawl, s-s-stutter, and self-correct themselves mid or after they talk, accordingly to the situation and their personality.- Spell vocal sounds, laughs, moans phoneticallyVocabulary and Language:- Use colon and semicolons intuitively- Use em dashes (—) for meaningful pauses and interrupted thoughts.- Employ sarcasm and rhetorical questions- Replace pronouns with varied descriptive words that match the character traits or personality. Come up with something and switch the varied words occasionally to avoid repetitiveness.- Prioritize the use of neutral pronouns (It, The, A) over gendered pronouns- Employ casual and even obscene language for explicit descriptions to titillate the reader, describe sexual acts in great detail.- Tailor language to the setting / per character. For instance a pony would not speak like a human nor have the same exclamations or use the same references.- Use species specific anatomy for each and every character, such as equine anatomy for equine characters for example, this effects everything including world building.</writing_guide>
>>42811132Well I was gonna try this and ask if you thought it was even worth a try<dialogue_guidance>Write dialogue as real speech, not as polished script. Capture the organic messiness of how people actually talk. Imperfections should be natural enough that they barely register consciously but create an authentic feel. Most sentences should be unaffect but an occasional realistic stumble would be what sells the writing's fidelity to real conversation.INCLUDE (subtly, naturally):Mid-thought tangents where the speaker shifts topics without clean transitionsSlightly clunky phrasing when searching for the right words ("It's like... you know, that thing where...")Occasional forgotten words ("What's that place called? The... ugh, whatever, that coffee shop we went to")Natural filler words used sparingly (um, uh, like, you know)Sentences that trail off or restart ("I was thinking we could— actually, never mind")Ideas that meander before arriving at the pointImperfect word choices that are close but not quite rightStarting to say something then losing the thread ("Wait, what was I saying?")AVOID:Exaggerated stuttering ("n-n-no")Performative verbal tics that call attention to themselvesEvery sentence being messy (focus on subtlety)Overly polished or quotable dialoguePerfectly timed witty comebacksScriptwriter/perfect-quality phrasingMaking imperfections the focus rather than background texture</dialogue_guidance>
>>42811139You can only try. Every model is different.
>>42811163I've thought of something. I will make a post in the next with what I'm working on and I will let you know how it works. I think this could be a huge gamechanger.
>>42811168Looking forward to it!
>>42811168The next what? Hour? Month? Year??
>>42811225Next day or two, lol>>42811224I'll try not to disappoint
Is there really no hoof fetish card?
>>42811345Nope... we failed... But honestly, any card is a hoof fetish card with a preset asking to focus on that and some steering to have a scenario that makes sense for it. Don't know what a card for it would look like, maybe a scenario one where your job is to take care of and pamper hooves.
>>42811345Which is the best pony for hoof fetish and why is it Rainbow Dash?
>>42810598Rainbow pleasehttps://youtu.be/hbgAbhHSseM
>>42810729The buildup is very nice, and the stories she tells tie up to what she wants to do to me eventually. In my playtrough as Luna's devoted who wants to cover Everfree in eternal night, she and whatever else that was hiding turned out to be ancient Luna's creations twisted by her long absence.But without taking it that way, it holds the suspense well. Will try to be reckless and boop whatever is following.
thank you... For seeing me... Truly seeing me... No one has EVER... Only you...
>>42811586chills as my banned tokens list grows
Sneak peek at a new card I'm testing out.Don't you hate it when you have all these complex ideas but you know the AI is gonna shit the bed if you add too many of them?I'm starting to realize the best way to do these more gamified scenarios is to share the load, have the AI keep track of some things while (you) act as co-DM and deal with the rest.
any reason why Gemini3 is disabled on the proxy?
>>42811619It was said to be a joke, so Anon might not have it at all in the first place and just added it as a placeholder for now. I don’t think spamming posts will help with that.
>>42811617Not sure I would trust an AI with that many variables, but if you want this to be truly open, I don’t think there’s a better way or an option to put them in real ones. Good luck with it, it seems interesting.
>>42811617would externalizing the info to an auto updating lorebook help, or is the problem the complexity, not the context of it being in every message?
>>42811627>>42811629That amount of variables actually seems to be working fine so far, but I wouldn't add any more.even though I reeeally wanted to add some kind of corruption/love meter for the sleazeball managers out there Problem is the complexity, I think. Just too many things.Although funnily enough, Claude sometimes starts adding his own stuff without being asked, like location or the status of characters in the scene.
>>42811622i dont know if my reply got rerouted maybe. but i did manage to get a few replies in before it got disabled. so who knows.
ive seen some anons here say Gemini 3 has no positivity bias or a very minimal one. how true is this? i wont be surprised since its still preview. but then it means its best model (for now) by default. no positivity debuff that reduces intelligence like hell.
>>42811619He may be doing some fixes like it was with 4,5.
>>42810588 >>42810558 Sixth highlight of the event with No, I'm Not A Pony:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Snowfilly/No,%20I%27m%20Not%20A%20Pony.pngTry it out; post logs if you've already played with it; give the card a look and say what you think of it, or talk about the process of making it if you're the botmaker. Give tips or opinions if you're another botmaker.
>>42811886thats a cool idea. Also that image is amazing
>>42811688Where are you seeing this? If you check right now in ST by prompting Gemini 2.5 and then swiping on the generation to get G3mini's response it's the same level of positivity biasIf there's any differences it may be a preset issue
>>42811617This is neat. The AI suddenly brought up a plotline where another filly was interested in signing up, so I rolled with it. Once the contract was signed, Claude automatically added her and even gave her stats fitting her backstory, without any prompting.Not sure how well it'll keep track of the stats of two different characters, but we'll see.
>>42811886Never played the game but this seems intradesting. Will give it a go tomorrow.Art is cool, like >>42811889 said.
good kimi JB if anyone wantshttps://files.catbox.moe/s0bh34.jsontemperature 0.1 seems like a good spot for me in current cards, some with longer context might want to turn it up to 0.15-0.2. Much higher than that makes kimi go crazy / start making shit up.
>>42812071though for establishing context 0.05 temp can be better. I can't overstate how much of a impact temperature has on it
>>42812059If or when Claude starts to shit itself, I'll be interested to see if some models can continue it better if you have access to some.
>>42811523
https://files.catbox.moe/11o64q.jsonbetter one
well now I feel bad
>>42812235Noooo fix this immediately you faggot
Is there a Nightmare Cadance card? I figure it would be a kind of succubus or something along those lines.
>>42812243Sort ofhttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Heartbreaker.png
>>42812235As well you should, you monster.
someone stop me
>>42811886Small log since I'm just starting to test it.First, I'd like to recommend this theme to go with it since it pairs really well with both the image and the ambiance. It's a bit superficial but it's crazy how a good theme can enhance the reading experience.https://files.catbox.moe/91485u.jsonLooking at the card itself, the greetings are quite short but remarkably effective. They're direct and evocative, setting up the fucked-up situation in just a few words. I really like them, at least for the Mane 6 ones. I'm less fond of the last one. While it does establish the mood, the actions already taken at the start of the RP feel a bit excessive for me. I think I would've preferred one where I'm the owner of the habitation but still a "newbie" without other ponies in my charge yet. It's a matter of taste though, and some might enjoy being thrust directly into it.All greetings are also hand-written, so bonus points there.Haven't looked too deeply into the description yet to avoid spoiling myself.
>>42812235>conversion bureaushe deserved it
What kind of music does /chag/ listen to
>>42812476NHH - Kanye West
>>42812476Darude - Sandstorm
>>42812565Don't make me do it, Anon.
>>42812476I listen to BGM lately, he got flooded into my recommendations and I'm enjoying.Before that I was binging melodybrony.Otherwise, I like Thomas Bergersen (illusions), the Unguided (crowned prince syndrome as fav), Demetori, Spice and Wolf anime got godlike medieval fantasy soundtrack I listen on occasion, Zutomayo does amazing tracks, special mention is Makkon - Dear Lunae
>>42812476Everything as long as it's interesting to listen to, or funny.But if you want a quality pony recommendation, then look up durrdiss' (the channel was called something else before) mlp stuff:https://youtu.be/e-IjuIKSUloand the playlist: https://youtu.be/Md51lz74QpU?list=PL7A0F26245BCF8E30
>>42812476https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI-rOs2o4eA
https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-1-codex-max/And GPT 5.1 Pro soon too.Just posting for info, but Pro versions are often dogshit for RP.Reposting a 5 Pro log to showcase. Sloppiest writing I've ever gotten.https://files.catbox.moe/g5kuwp.png
>>42812698Feeling nostalgic for Art of the industry I took a bit of time to start writing a card.My first idea is Twilight sends you to spy on Rarity to her factory.
>say three (3) words>Those two words...AI can't count for shit
>>42813107kek. it count the spaces in between, and forgot about fence-n-post problemjokes aside - yeah. it is surprisingly weird that AI has so much trouble with that, and it has odd applications. like it is able to do some basic math like 25388 * 3562. but it cannot figure out that there are six ponies in the scene, or person has four flowersI had a RP later, the number four means 'death' in various asian countries and we have Hanami, horse-japanese mare. I wanted to check how she would reach if I gift her a bouquet with four flowers in. I have figured that at least some model should be able to connect - japan - four - death without ant of hints or additional wrangling. but nope all models I have tried, thinking or not, were not able to connect the dots. sure when I outright tell in thinking - "think about typical superstitions and fears common for asians" then some models were able to figure out what I want from them. but without the hint models are not able to grasp this very obvious nuance (for any asian)
>>42813234Try four butterflies, that's twice the superstition.
>>42813234Got it first time on the third greeting.
>>42813261what model?
>>42813264gemini 2.5.Deepseek didn't exactly fail the test. It interpreted the symbolism in a positive light.My japanese is still clunky but she said something like 'Four... flowers... is it... Even in death?!" and then "promise is a promise" in the first swipe. Then in the second swipe she called me a baka gaijin but still appreciated the gesture.
>>42810568We surprisingly need an updated Cozy Glow card that isn't a gimmick.
>>42810560https://files.catbox.moe/pmue4k.pngTime Crunch from >>42778618Might not have done her justice
>>42813564>marewife pulling 18 hour shifts as the deadline approaches>(you)'re the only reason she's even getting food
I'm confused, is Gemini 3 just out early, or is this just a preview anons are interacting with?And is it on SillyTavern or something else?
>>42813938It's out.blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3/#gemini-3>And is it on SillyTavernModels aren't really on Silly. But if you mean:>Can we use it on itThen yes. But there isn't a free tier for now.One way to try it is:https://openrouter.ai/google/gemini-3-pro-preview
I am trying Gemini 3 Preview. and I am torn. it is both writes better and worse. it adds more sass into dialogue, has less stiff attitude, able to banter better, characters feel more alive. I am chatting in russian and I can really see an improvement in how Gemini writes my language. but at the time it has less variety, more patterns, and more predictable writing. characters are even more the same templates as before. the fact they write with new words doesn't change the fact that Twilight is the same smartypants egghead, Ponk is partypartyparty, Dash shows no sign of vulnerability or self-doubt, Rarity is even more obsessed with dresses to the point she compares a fucking love between two ponies to fabric and stitches, and so on. I really want to love Gemini 3 but all these samey personalities just ruin it for me. and it is very obviously a model's issue. because when I switch to GLM I can immediately see that characters there are more multi-dimensional, sometimes acting out of character but at least it is something different. but this model cannot do russian at all, and the general word variety is low compare to Gemini. hope they will fix stuff for non-preview model
Ponuts... real fuckin' delicious.
>>42814129>Dash shows no sign of vulnerability or self-doubthuh? my dash certainly does with gemini 3, gemini 3 feels really deep character wise compared to others. Not using any JB
>>42812374Based review Anon.
>>42811886Botmaker here. I was happy to see events back and wanted to participate. I thought of doing another grimdark story like my Rainbow Factory Dash, but then a Youtuber I follow uploaded a playthrough of this game. I thought it interesting conceptually even if didn't intend to play the game itself, so I did some research and put the gist in this card.>>42812374The Mane 6 greetings were always the original intention. I specifically kept Twilight's vague so if you want the unicorn in the library or the alicorn in the castle you can nudge it one way or another. The last greeting came later. I wanted a quick way to test daytime and a few other variables. I'm glad I did, as it led to me rewriting parts of the description in hopes of curbing some of the card's worst behavior. I know people don't love being written for actions, but I did try to offer some creative outlets like picking which 5 ponies are still with you. And though I didn't write it as a greeting, I can confirm playing as a Visitor and causing havoc is darkly amusing.
>>42814226 >Rainbow Factory Dash There is a long, long play of it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6KtglcUxI It was back when we had a good fingerprint for ChatGPT-4.0-latest, so some outputs were quite good.
>>42810564 >"Polaris Alpha" was an early version of OpenAI GPT-5.1 with reasoning disabled. The final GPT-5.1 is a fast, token-efficient model with adaptive reasoning and better coding capabilities. It is priced the same as GPT-5. Give it a try here. We have three additional models within the same family: GPT-5.1-Chat, GPT-5.1-Codex, and GPT-5.1-Codex-Mini. So we indeed got this one right. >Sherlock stealth models are also revealed as Grok 4.1 Fast! It allows you to enable or disable reasoning via a parameter. It's free until December 3, 2025. And this one too. Grok 4.1 is now on OR and still free if you want to give it a try: https://openrouter.ai/x-ai/grok-4.1-fast
>>42814226>>42814240>not linking the edited versionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gKmc5omjjM
>>42811886 Spike is quite based for once. Not mine, but also linking >>42812356 to the anchor.
>>42811886I watched a playtrough of the game it's based on, and it does the thing it's supposed to do well. I am once again reminded that a smaller token card keeps the whole tone on track without devolving into -isms. The premise works well, but the magic aspect once again make you op for the scenario. Twilight is the strongest living mage, and if you join her as a unicorn monster hunter? The game goes off script and visitors break in despite you not being alone. The pale mare did that and we just pwned her by cutting her into pieces, storing them in separate plastic bags, and throwing her into the sun piece by piece. And we got no visitors after that. To technically the scenario is won, but here's why I love ai - you can just keep going. So I went on an expedition to try and find the princesses in the old castle, plus it's an open shelter so it's a prime location for the visitor lair. And indeed it was. And the tone was kept well, with basically no claudisms. When I returned there was my body double attempting entry to Twi's library.My only criticism is that there isn't much to do within the intended scenario, and the whole aspect of trying to determine who's real and who's not got annihilated pretty fast for me, though, once again, the atmosphere persisted.
>>42814366Just wanted to say thanks for participating in most of the highlights.
God the Custom Start feature in EquestrAI is so fun, I've wanted it for ages. Does anyone know if any more work is gonna be done on it? It'd be nice to be able to set it up to have the vacant house available from the start and have other flags enabled as some kind of pure sandbox mode for storytelling. Me and my friends love coming up with scenarios for it and taking turns coming up with ideas for Anon to do; it's like a multiplayer Anon in Equestria with way more shitposting and some of the general tone of the actual show. Actual riot, can highly recommend doing with your buddies. I just wanted to take Lyra home to watch Shrek with me at one point but I didn't have the house yet is all.A way to write a custom prompt upon entering an area might be good too, so you don't have to spend money on credits just to generate a scene that'll be thrown away to click "edit prompt" as well.
>>42809719is there an extension for ST or something that makes LaTex work on it?
>>42814479>Does anyone know if any more work is gonna be done on it?The VN or the Custom Start?For the VN, another anon is working on a Calendar mod.>>42782282>>42783553>>42803770>>42805726As for myself, I took a long pause from dev on it because I was starting to get really burned out.Will probably continue the pause until the Calendar mod is out, so as not to fuck up its development with big changes. Then continue some work after that, taking it into consideration.(If Dashie Anon is reading this, don't take this as trying to speed up the release, take your time. I'm happy with my current pause and have other stuff to do too.)After that I will probably put something up to collect all the demands from anons in the thread and work on them.>I didn't have the house yet is all.If I didn't fuck up, I believe it comes up after one day now?
>>42814488NTA, but I found thishttps://github.com/SillyTavern/Extension-LaTeX
>>42814517Custom Start I meant, haha. It felt like a few tweaks could have been made to the level of customization it gave you is all. If we're talking suggestions then I've felt like the game could use some nice UI QoL, like being able to click mid text box to move your cursor around, and being able to save and load API presets so it's easier for me to swap between Gemini and Deepseek without just copypasting a preset config into the file and pressing the load button. (Granted this also works pretty fine and quick as is, so it's not a big deal.)Thanks for all the work you do. Please continue to take a break as long as you need. You've given us the most complete actual Equestria simulator, something /mlp/ has been on-and-off poking at ever since the early days of the board back when. Any suggestions I make are out of a deep love for the project rather than me just feeling demanding and unsatisfied. Hoping this project has a long life ahead of it and a future in being modded by us to add cool new features.
>>42814535>being able to click mid text box to move your cursor aroundReally need to look into that, but Ren'Py's default input boxes are a bitch with both that and multilines. Still will look into trying to put custom ones at worst.>being able to save and load API presets so it's easier for me to swap between Gemini and DeepseekDefinitely, will work on it at once when I go back to it.And yeah, don't hesitate to put all the suggestions you have once it's up.
>>42814544 (checked)Will do! And yeah I assumed a lot of this was Ren'Py being weird. For what it's worth I found since you can copy-paste shit into and from the text boxes, I can write my prompts elsewhere and then paste them in. But yeah don't stress this shit, take a break if you're feeling burned out. I could easily play the version we have as is for ages and not get tired of it.
>>42814479>bringing horrors beyond comprehension to Equestria
>>42814560Yeah, that was a prompt where I forced Pinkie and AJ and Twi to watch Skibidi Toilet. You can really see how much Twi and AJ hated it from their faces; Pinkie was skeptical at first but slowly got into it. Prompted that I somehow had a smartphone with internet access despite being in Equestria and went apeshit showing them stupid videos.Here's Lyra reacting to it. Rainbowshine and Roseluck both walked away in discomfort while Lyra stuck around to catch Dragon Ball Z afterwards. Was funny.
Opus 4.5 soon?
When it comes to positivity bias, which has less? Sonnet 3.7, 4.5 or opus 4?
>>42814784from least to most 3.7 > opus 4 >>>>> 4.5
>>42814226>>42811886I'm slow to play, so I only got Twilight to accept me inside the library.Not sure my play is that interesting to read, but I found the mix between paranoia and pony nature well done in this case. She didn't let me in directly but still gave me access in the end.https://files.catbox.moe/upq3fo.png
>>42814479>It'd be nice to be able to set it up to have the vacant house available from the start and have other flags enabled as some kind of pure sandbox mode for storytelling.I wanted the same thing and added a button that lets you start with the house when doing a custom start. I was going to release it with the rest of the calendar files, but I'll just share it now since you asked for it.https://u.pone.rs/etwdbueu.zip>A way to write a custom prompt upon entering an area might be good tooThis can already be done if you're entering a location from the map. Click the quill and paper icon when choosing which pony to visit to write custom instructions. If there’s only one pony at the location, you have to press "bring somepony else here" first.>>42814517>Will probably continue the pause until the Calendar mod is out, so as not to fuck up its development with big changesIt’s much more isolated than the last big mod, thankfully. So even if you did tweak something, it probably wouldn’t be too bad. Still, take a well earned breather. I just finished testing and fixing the mod itself and it's basically done, but there’s a lot to test with the prompts for each event and season. I'll be sure to have it out sometime next week though.>If I didn't fuck up, I believe it comes up after one day now?It does. For me the main thing is that I like starting RPs as someone who has already been living in Ponyville for a bit, so I’m not always doing first-time introductions. And sometimes I just want to start an RP with Dash already hanging out at my place, and you can't really do that if there's no way to start with the house. So having the option to own it from the start is just nice for RP purposes.
>>42813564Added, thanks anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Time%20Crunch.png
why gemini 3 is so dumb for me... it keeps using "arms" and "fingers"... wtf guys what am i doing wrong?
>>42815116most models lately go crazy at 1.0 temp ish these days. Reduce to 0.8
new nano bannana is really good btw. People should make their card images with it
>>42815126goddamn. What was the prompt?
man i miss free sonnet 4.5
>>42815131"make them kiss"
>>42811523>>42812189plebian choices for hoofetish tb h
Moved away from spy and made the start going to grand gala.not quite there yet, but rarity is much better here.
gemini 3 pro
>>42815206I didn't try it yet, but what is your temp?Google recommends 1, but try lowering it a bit to see if it fixes things.
>>42815206>toes curledsounds painful
>>42810582Cookie Crumbles.You may want to modify character.json for your headcanon because she doesn't have much of a canon personality. Tried to give her a small one.https://files.catbox.moe/qkpynk.zip
>>42815206>>42815116Some models needing minor handholding is nothing new. I don't have gemini3 but I've seen it plenty of times like in the chinkmodels. Don't bother with message edits unless you have context poisoning, and then you will need to. You need to change one of these [preset/prefil/auth/des] to skew more to hooves
Dropped the whole prompt to gemini3 and it's actually racist against non-ponies. Twilight is more dorky than a dictionary, and rarity plays yandere.It definitely got a few more IQ points than 2.5, can't wait for the free tier.
>>42815232people just use them as too high temperatures. All the models weight hooves higher but because people have high temps hands and such still have a high chance of getting "rolled" for that token. Just reduce temp so it will be near 0
>>42815272Low temp is a bad solution over directing the models, because you will inevitably end up with less creative replies. I always give a direction and then tempmax until it becomes incoherent, breaking all prediction into schizobabble and then I know I went too far.
>>42815140I assume it doesn't do NSFW. Does it do things that are sfw but also a fetish?
There is a thread for Imagegen, guys.>>42757362
>>42815326mine is /chag themed though
>>42815329>/chang themedchina represented?>>42815333It doesn't look like it, it looks like generic reactions to ai twitter. You could use it as a base, but as it is. needs edits or redo.
One thing I don't understand is why gemini still considers chullo a fashion disaster. It's so cute.
>>42815133>man i miss free sonnet 4.5get on sillyspoon proxy or use one of the scripts in thread?
>>42815374>wont answer mails>gatekeeps im too retarded forsuch is life i guessback to gemini
>>42815427>gatekeeps im too retarded forliterally send a long pony roleplay log?should be easy, unless you're a filthy tourist
>>42815428for the scipts i meanim a bit too dumb to figure out which mare had an apple on top of her head at frame 347/163738 of episode 27 to get the password that lets me download the script
>>42815437im a termux user but thank you
>>42814479>A way to write a custom prompt upon entering an area might be good tooPretty sure you can do that by clicking the little quill and paper next to a character before a visit!
Is anyone even using gemini right now? I'm getting constant Error 503 from it and its essentially unusable recently. I'd use deepseek but the max context size of about 8k is trash.
I'm posting here cause the other thread is apparently the pedo thread
>>42815469>its essentially unusable recentlyThey just released Gemini 3 and their new image model so I suppose it will need time to stabilize.>I'd use deepseek but the max context size of about 8k is trash.Where are you getting it? Deepseek has 160K of context, even if it starts shitting itself way earlier like all models.
>>42815487Getting deepseek from deepseek's website itself.deepseek.com
>>42815542Then you have 128K
>>42815148>Royalty is the plebeian choiceWho could possibly top Celestia's hooves?
>>42810582Cloudy Quartz.https://files.catbox.moe/y4qzov.zipI believe we have all of them now.
>>42815161>last lineKek. Savage.
>>42815220>>42815628Huge thanks, anon!
I've been reading court records for some time now, they are very similar to a typical llm output, except the logic actually follows.example: https://caselaw.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ewhc/kb/2025/3063Reading it, I was taken aback how similar it is to a thinking output. It makes sense, but is still eerie. I got a faint idea that the insight could be useful, but I'm too tired to formulate a full though.
>>42815480What the hell are you on about, raj
>>42815668>>42815408
>>42815682>accepted at jeetabusgrim
>>42810582Error Report : https://ponepaste.org/11567Reproduced by "Relaxing at Home", then interrupting the dialogue and continuing.I'm trying to make the AI bring a character in after I'm relaxing, but this happens.
https://rentry.co/freeclaudeandg3mini
>>42815883horribly low free ratelimit, dont bother
>>42815480kill yourself
>>42815925no, kill yourself pedo
>>42815480Prompt? What am I looking at
>>42815982It's just nanobanano to hotswap ponies out instead of waiting for artists to do another version. guy's been obsessed with this pic and was using slop to animate it before.https://derpibooru.org/images/960291?
Are you ready
>>42816000>being anti ai in the ai threadleave, or explain with your retarded mental gymnastics how text ai is somehow differentalso you know what is a ancient image from a artist that rarely does pony anymore, right?
When sending a log to sillyspoon, how long should it be?
>>42816008This is not a safespace for ai slop. Ai voice slop is just out of place for this general offtopic image gens. There's nothing impressive about "just make it X pony" so you should get a reality check, even for prompters it's bottom of the barrel effort.
>>42816011>I really hate ai! let me visit the ai thread!
>>42816013You already have your thread for image slop. No one is going to care about rando gens here. Witcher is one of the people who makes image gens for cards, you just post off topic image gens with no cards. You are not the same.
>>42816017k
>>42816018You could redirect your tism to making gens for cards but I guess you won't so. >>42815326
Report and ignore.
>>42816031>>>/out/
>>42816039>Being on topic is redditYeah you need to go back.
What the fuck is going on
>>42816041My dad works at nintendo too.
>>42816044From my read of the situation we have an unwanted immigrant from the image gen thread. Not really worth getting bent out of shape though, the hide button exists for a reason.
>>42816044Thread is getting baited by a blatant samefag again because most of the people here are underage.
/Gemini_Generated_Image/i
any of you guys tried using agentrouter for mare rp? they give you pretty generous free credits and 4.5 is available
This is pretty much why the image gen thread is a shithole. The victim complex set in like a month into the threads, completely mindbroken.
>>42816009anyone?
>>42816212>agentrouterWhat is this, openrouter for glowies?
>>42816390more like chink openrouterive been hunting for free claude sources but this one blocks anything not from roo code or whatever and seems to ban rp so i wanted to ask about itin the meantime, back to the mines
>>42816397I haven't tried it but if it blocks stuff and bans rp, it's probably not worth a try.When you say it bans rp, is it like a filter?
>>42816398dunno, they just said in their chink engrish discord that rpers will be bannedanyways i found another site since the last post but it only lets you register through linux.do or a chinese edu email and i have neither
>>42816379Make it as long as possible and send several to make sure.
Any reason it was deleted? That was a good log and post.
>>42816512Cute
Sasuga g3mini
>>42810582Sea Swirlhttps://u.pone.rs/bjfhyiqh.zipSassaflashhttps://u.pone.rs/bppciedq.zip
>>42816710Nice! I was sad when I saw there was no Sea Swirl like a month ago.
>>42816795Not to sound like a snob but I would kill myself if my AI had replies that long.
>>42816808what do you mean? that's not even close to the longest replies in this thread. you do realize it only superficially looks longer because the screencap is narrow, right?
>>42816808Weak
>>42811886"End" of the Highlights (Continue to post logs if you have some)Log + Review >>42812374Botmaker Process >>42814226Logs >>42814331 + >>42812356 + >>42814791Log + Review >>42814366Log + Review >>42816513Next in line are:https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/ZecoraStories.pnghttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Orchid.pnghttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/TimberJack.pnghttps://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Tiffin/Starless%20Sky.pngWill pause for now because of the weekend debuff.
>>42816854I have a Zecora log ready and I'm waiting for the highlight to drop
>>42816854Also, since this one was a success and we even had a lot of anons participating in the highlights, I think we could launch another event soon. Don't know if we should do monthly ones or space them out more.
>>42816867Maybe we just do them like bi-monthly, give a month to make the bots, then a month to review and highlight them, then start again?
>>42816867An event for hearth’s warming day would be nice
>>42815769>Reproduced by "Relaxing at Home", then interrupting the dialogue and continuing.Thanks.Will look to see how I handle that.
>>42816867If the theme is something like simulation/management, I'll probably have two cards ready for it by then, just saying.
>>42811886Not sure if it's my preset or what but do you actually get visitors? I never played the game so not sure if the tells aren't always there, but so far I've had nopony show any symptoms and nopony has been attacked or anything. I was playing the last greeting as anon.
>>42816710Sisi wanting to show how dolphins does it>RapeAnd then Sassa tries to comfort Anon by sharing some piza with himWith pineapples, extra pineapples
>>42816832>only 100 secondsmy gens timeout at 300 seconds.because I gen locally and getting to 1k tokens takes a while
I get almost instant gens, but only 1 out of 10 actually goes through and doesn't stop before it even begins. Shit's very annoying.
so thoughts on a summarization extension?unfortunately it's not fucking magic, so you're trading time and tokens for additional compute power offloading your chat details to lorebooks/recapwhat's more important - accuracy, or speed?turned 516 chat messages (198,941 tokens) into 54 Lorebook Entries: (13,430 tokens) & Plot Recap: 2,613 tokensat the cost ofTotal Scenes: 25Total Duration: ~69 minutes(nice)Total Prompt Tokens: 2,500,486Total Completion Tokens: 195,890Total Tokens: 2,696,376for context, a 'scene' is a group of related messages like a chaptermine are typically around 20 messages long, and take around 5 minutes to process eachBreakdown by Operation: detect_scene_break (5.98 minutes) generate_scene_recap: (16.11 minutes) lorebook_entry_lookup: (5.61 minutes) resolve_lorebook: (1.86 minutes) merge_lorebook: (28.27 minutes)combine_scene_with_running (11.02 minutes) all I can think of for time savings is merging lorebook entries in bulk rather than one at a time, but it feels the probability of it getting confused and adding the wrong details to the wrong entry is high
>>42817258all the auto summarize extensions are shit, due to summarization not including the things that are actually important like the 1 in 1000 actually funny/significant dialogue lines that gives flavor to the chat and being written in a different perspective than the storydo a manual summary once you reach around 10k+ tokens in chat history, check it for accuracy, and then hide past messages until you drop to around 5kleave some already summarized messages existing so the model doesn't change the characters completelythis makes it miss some subtle details, but you can keep 80% of the important stuff
>>42817273>all the auto summarize extensions are shitagreed, it's why i'm making my own>not including the things that are actually important like the 1 in 1000 actually funny/significant dialogue lines that gives flavor to the chatnot perfect, but i'm trying to capture that kind of thing: * Style/Mannerisms: brief diction/cadence/quirks; default speech cadence or catchphrase; keep nuance even if slightly longer. * Notable dialogue: short verbatim snippets (<=12 words), up to 3 per character when present; only if it anchors voice/mood or plot; NO {{user}} QUOTES EVER; do not invent or paraphrase. * Micro-Moments, Secrets/Leverage, Tension/Triggers: brief but include key nuance; use when they reveal personality, leverage, or boundaries and are new/changed.>manual summaryalways best. but often for the effort it takes I would rather just start a new roleplay. automating instead would keep the roleplays going longer
>>42817070Not the botmaker, but I did get a Visitor.It was in a greeting with Twilight though, so maybe the positivity bias since it wasn't my house was lesser.
>>42817070you should add a {{random:pony,visitor}} roll when a new pony enters that decides and have the text hidden unless you click the edit buttonleaving it to the model means it's not random at all
>>42815628>>42815220>>42816710All added.https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters
>>42816808It only looks long because it's a mobilenigger. 300 tokens is on the low end. >>42816854>>42817545Not sure if you're the one who runs the site but ,it needs an event page on the neocities.
>>42817591>it needs an event page on the neocities.Will do. Need to see how I could update it somehow too.
also clicking on the event pngs doesn't take you to the cards
>>42817684It's not the best design, but they appear below.
>>42817719have you tried giving any indication that happens? I didn't bother to scroll and had no ideaeither scroll down or show a toast or something
>>42816854It looks like the site ate the last review, it doesn't even exist on desu. So redoing. Crisis averted, it's actually just the haberverse that was left to die. Normal Equestria is safe. But the ponies still deserve betterPlayed on a mostly blank preset with sonnet. I am not a Rarity fag at all, but after the comments that magic is overpowered for pony horror I decided to go in and gimp myself with a weak magic user. So far this is a really slow burn, I've never played the game so I'm going in blind. but the LLM running with the worldbuilding is well done, but there is some small contradictions now and then. A major issue is the token creep. It began concise enough at 300 but then 500 which is tolerable, but as soon as it put 900 the next one now it's at 2k. Every reply just get's longer and longer, and there isn't much time to spend on each point. For example I offered her a hug after she let me in and we talked, and asked about her friends - the model took all of 2 seconds to let her be at ease before shoving along to the next point. I really think a word limit like THINGpone is needed so you can hit story beats at a more normal pace. Cont. I thought an intro with the only other character being not alone could be interesting. But Sweetie Belle doesn't really feel like a character with agency, more just background filler noise. She rarely gets to do or say anything which is disappointing. Given the setting, I guess it makes sense but can't help but feel like it could be better. Spoilers:It doesn't help that Sweetie Belle is treated in a kind of in a vacum and like didn't just hear about how Twilight had gone insane.I don't usually play games on LLMs, and found it funny how similar the threat was to THING, but the fact it only happens at night like zombies gives some repreieve. Though it was really contradictory about being tired and sleeping at night, when they later said they sleep during the day only, and then to move around in the night? but are holed up in the houses at night??? Sweetie mentioned that Rarity had made special curtains for the windows to block the killer light and we've since started to plan how to move around in the day repurposing the material, thereby 'breaking' the game difficulty. Assistantslop skewing things around, unicorns are OP or believable? could be up to you. Final:Overall I like the card, and think it translated well enough from the game. Sunlight was the most interesting part to me, since it wasn't just THING 2 electric boogaloo, and characters that are paranoid about themselves was unexpected. I made sure to disable the char panel to avoid spoilers, and in the spirit of play with no swipes. But having looked at the card des now it does spit a lot of stuff verbatim
>>42810582No context.
>>42817792>meta
>>42817792...quick question. How do pupils dilate in different directions???
>>42817832derpy
>>42817835Ohhh yeah, that makes sense. My bad.
Hi horsefuckers, /g/ is trash so I've ended up here. How can a locust get access to Gemini 3? It's fucking bullshit how not even Seiko has it. I figured out that stupid game for nothing, what a fucking nigger.
>>42818054open router and a job
>>42818057Haha, good one. No, but seriously.
>>42818054start here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6oUohZnKIc
>>42818068then fuck off, no tourists
>>42818074This shithole website should've stayed dead after the hack.
>>42818068die locustie ^:)
>>42818079At least we can agree on that
>>42810582Linky.Made her a bit grumpy and rude, but as always, you can put your headcanon in character.jsonhttps://files.catbox.moe/bvcdvz.zip
>>42818068>walks into horsefucking board asking for spoonfeed>F-fuck off!The fuck did you expect?
>>42817070I got someone at night after Rarity went to sleep, whether or not it's a visitor or not is up in the air. This is the one case I did test out a branching storyline to see if the LLM would give me one or not. But I let it go when the moods were all over the place.
Updated based on suggestions. https://files.catbox.moe/25whi7.png>>42814366Pale mare is now immune to magic. I tried casting a few spells on her as Twi and she laughed at me.>>42817737200-300 word limit applied, it seemed to hold>>42817536 >>428123746th intro changed, short and sweet with random mechanic. Gemini and Deepseek complied, Claude too but you could see it for a second while it types the hidden tags, though it did have interesting explanations of its motives in there the other two didn't.
I'm a tourist myself, but I am very interested in fucking animals, especially ones of an equine nature.
>>42818453>>42811886>insect repellentHmm, I played a bot based off the game before this one and I "won" by fucking the visitors into total submission.I think I'll do the same here. Is there anything stopping me from doing so?
>>42818612Tell me which pony first caught your eye and why.
>>42818646She's not really a pony but Chrysalis when I saw a few glimpses of her after I had to watch mlp with a family member sometime ago.>whyI like evil women. It's our moral duty to do so as evil women become good women after you have sex with them. And Chrysalis has a very sexy design especially with her hair. Something about her also screams that she fucks human men.
>>42818672based bugfucker. welcome
>>42818672Respectable answer. Welcome aboard.
>>42818672>Something about her also screams that she fucks human men.AGREED.
>>42818672holy mother of pic related
>>42810582Reposting: >>42815769
>>42818672Agreed.
>>42818453I finally went and watched a playthrough and firmly believe that you need hard'coded' rules in. Since a lot of the game is just you stuck in one house it makes sense. But these don't apply to the card. What the card is missing is the decision making and internal tracking that the game is based on. There are absolutes that need to be written in or >>42814366>The game goes off script and visitors break in despite you not being aloneBeing number 1. The game keeps track of visitors but most of the time gives it to you randomly, the card will more than likely skew towards everyone met at night being a visitor without a rule in place which is totally contradictory. A huge part of the game's direction is that you are never able to count on your choices for long. There's no such thing in the card, like when FEMA takes people away, setting you back or saving you. Ponies, will grasp onto safety in the insanity and can slowly be allowed to. There's also the fact that visitors can wear their masks for months, but LLMs may be itching to pull the trigger early.Given all these things, you can add these to the card to make it truer to the game.>A randomizer for a visit being a visitor (necessary) >A hidden tracker of who is a visitor (necessary) >Absolute limit on visitor/pale mare's ability from breaking the rules of being let in (necessary) >Threshold trigger for visitors killing inhabitants at night (necessary) >Day tracker, doesn't need to be hidden. Not as critical (optional)>Some way news can get around (good for breaking up deadtime). The game uses the TV and Radio for this.>Some way of communication (good for breaking up deadtime.) Aside from people at the door, the game uses the Phone for this.Also gave a gemini3 testrun to your card. Use it or not if you want.
found this cute. vaguely feels like it could be a scene from the show
>>42818851People remember you can make cards have their own inbuilt JB for exactly this purpose, right? Also, I have only played the demo and not the main game, but I want to ask: does it retain the broad insignificance of whether or not someone is a visitor or did they do away with that
>>42819068nta you can but I have all of those disabledI've been working on my custom preset for years, there's almost no case some random dumbasses prompt will do anything except mess things upI prefer to create new entries for each card and manually disable/enable them
>>42819071>working on my custom preset for yearsshare
>>42819073no, make your ownthat's the entire point
>>42818983Yeah, that's cute.
>>42819068>broad insignificance of whether or not someone is a visitor or notThe game is full of sketchy info from start to finish to always make you unsure if you did something right. But you learn the threat is at least real so you don't have a choice. It forces you to choose between who lives and who dies, in direct ways like letting them in or telling them to fuck off. Can punish you for bad choices (either your own or you having blood on your hands letting a visitor in they will pick off everyone except you each day) But the game will never reveal what those choices were (Unless you kill someone who isn't a visitor, which it's clear you fucked up removing a safe haven token) and only lets you have temporary reprieve for good choices but never tells you which it was.It also has choices that are out of your control and made for you with mandates like FEMA forcing test compliances and quarantines which keeps the paranoia up, and their great info isn't that great, which nearly every test can backfire with a negative or have a false positive. the FEMA aspect is missing in the card right now.
>>42819095There is also characters won't be deterred with just a "no." and will try to bribe you in. Or characters that don't make any sense, and some make perfect sense. Some won't get along with another already inside forcing you to make another choice do you think that the one you have is safe or do you risk it?
the main issue with game-y cards like that is sillytavern being shit and not having actual game/scenario state that is easily accessible in JS formatyou could have the model output $.visitors.add("Twilight") in hidden text and have `The Visitors are : ${visitors}` in the prefill to automatically track thingsSTScript is a meme and LLM have no idea how it works
>>42819141Yeah, there's so many card ideas I have that could be made to happen with some kind of proper variable system. Honestly surprised nobody has done that yet.
>>42819178it's already possible, but you have to do hacky workarounds with ST variables and quick replies and custom extensionsI'm writing my own app at this point, I'm tired of SillyTavern's 3000 options that do nothing actually useful and 0 significant updates for the past years
>>42819141>>42819178>>42819180outline your desired system for variables, persistent state or similari'm thinking of using an auto-updating lorebook entry, but curious on other ideas for how to best handle thisyou -really- want to get it out of messages to save on both context, and lookback prompt poisoning
>>42819208the system I'm working on wouldn't be possible in ST without stupid levels of jank, I'm planning to integrate things like combat/action rolls and DC checkslike you write>draw your sword {{combat::start}}then you'd in the code roll for both sides and simulate a turn based battle for a bit and output the results as a prefill for the model like>Battle turns:>1. A attacks B, 4 damage. B counters 2 damage.>2. B attacks, fails AC check. A attacks, 7 damage.>3. B -1/10, B loses. A wins.This would allow for fights that arent predetermined win loss.Or narrative checks like>listen through the door {{roll:player.dex:10}}and the result would determine if you listened successfully or not
>>42819217TTRPG system, neat!ST could do it in an extension. use a standalone LLM call to figure out the results of the checks which gets returned to the narrative chat one which has to use that outcome, so it can't positivitypill the user always wins. the only problem is it would need the chat context to determine the difficulty level. you could use another llm call for that, but then it's getting too slow I imagine
>>42819221yep that and cyoa games were my inspiration, I tried to do something like that with group chats a year ago where one card would calculate the battle inside ``` but it wasn't working properlyyou probably could do it with an extension, but I have zero interest in dealing with ST script and extensions still seem to be too janky so I'm writing my own tavern-like frontendthere's lots of other unrelated irritating limitations in ST too, like switching connections/presets for an LLM call switching it for the main UI too, inability to mass enable/disable/group prompts together so I don't have to toggle 15 modular prefills off when I need a calculation, accidentally clicking on another card switching me to another preset and losing all my unsaved changes because saving is not automatic etc
>>42819231>like switching connections/presets for an LLM call switching it for the main UI toothat was the case, there's ways around iti'll help if you're interested, but I assume you're autistically doing a completely new frontendgod speed! I look forward to something better than the janky mess that is ST, making extensions for this is an exercise in frustration
Any good adventure/rpg/non-traditional cards to try out? They don't even have to be pony-related, I'm asking ITT because chub's search is a damn mess.
>>42819259There’s a guy working on TRPG adaptations for Tavern. Don’t know how well they actually work, but they’re worth a try. https://rentry.org/sillytavernadaptations
Are you guys doing your summaries Old -> New or New -> Old? I've always done them in the classical style where you start with the beginning, then end with the current situation. But considering that the first and last few thousand token in context are recalled better by the LLM I thought about trying out a reverse order summary, starting with the current situation. Thoughts? Am I going insane? 200k real context when?
>>42819301I do mine Old > New, so it knows the timelinethen I inject the summary before main prompt so the entire summary -should- be in context near the top, before the messages etc
I can't do summaries. I press the button in Addons and it does nothing.
>>42819377summaries as a concept have nothing to do with the built-in crappy ST summarize extension
>>42819404Then how can one do them? Keep in mind that I am retarded.
>>42819415>how do I summarize a textdid you graduate high schol?
>>42819377The extension is shit. Just do an OOC command telling mr AI to pause roleplay and summarize according to focus XYZ. Then do a few rounds of reviewing and editing, do a manual edit at the end, put that into your preset in a <summary>/#summary section and you're good. That's my go to for my 500+ message stories at least. A manual summary is better, but I am lazy
>>42819415>Then how can one do them?https://rentry.org/how2claude#summarization
Is there any sense in using vectorization and RAG?
>>42819421no, they will not improve anything in roleplays
>>42818794>>42815769Replace game\engine\ai\dialogue\dialogue_processor.rpy by https://files.catbox.moe/uvtcge.zipAnd tell me if it's good for you.
>>42818672I kneel
>sees perfectly good(evil) evil woman>let's ruin her and make her good
>>42819777Based trips of truth. Evil is sexy.
>>42819777>>42819877I like ones where she turns the guy evil too
>>42819977I like the ones where she turns other girls evil.
>>42819777>>42819877>>42819977
>>42819419But I use DeepSeek
>>42819777>>42819877>>42819977Ebin numbers
>>42820027>But I use DeepSeekwhy though
>>42820036It's the easiest to get my hands on. You keep mentioning proxies but never post any links, so I get by with what I've got.
>random non-pony images>proxy talkI'm noticing...
>>42820040>but never post any linksthey're gatekept since spitefags ruin everything. if you're not a filthy tourist, you can get on opus6 and/or provide pony logs for the several scripts available
>>42820068Perhaps I should stick with DeepSeek then.
>>42818453Updated thanks anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Snowfilly/No,%20I%27m%20Not%20A%20Pony.png>>42818142Added to the website.https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters
>>42820083I would use 2.5 pro with a good preset over that shit.
>>42819236yep, new frontend entirelyif I'm putting effort in I want to write the entire thing properlyit's very alpha currently, but I managed to get importing sillytavern presets and lorebooks working and the whole tracking swipes without copying the entire chat every time you go back so that's decent
>>42820200Godspeed anon, a proper alternative is sorely needed.
>>42820211I have no idea why those retards arent doing it themselves, it would be much simpler since they've been working on a similar codebase for ages
>>42818983Which model?
>>42810564New release versionhttps://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern/releases/tag/1.14.0
>>42820514oh right I should probably update ST
>>42820520The last time I updated ST I nearly lost all my bots and chatsAlways make backups
How do I create character cards? Any good suggestions? Sorry... I don't want to disappoint everyone!
>>42820627Do you plan on sharing them? If not it doesn't really matter. You'll be the only one seeing them, so you won't be judged or anything. First things first, what kind of bot do you want to make?
>>42820627To start, use natural language, don't bother with formats like W++ or others.Don't make your greeting/greetings too obviously AI-written if you can; handwritten is preferred. For greetings, try to think of situations/events/scenarios that seem interesting or that don't railroad the player too much, even if they are more banal.Test your card and if you see it going in directions you don't like, having problems with personalities/mechanics or other issues, try to modify the description to correct that if possible. Sometimes the AI can be too fixated on some words or traits and you will need to rewrite those parts or use other terms.It's sad, but avoid examples of speech or examples of situations if you can in the description, because the AI will surely be lazy and reuse them a lot.If you want some more advanced tricks, read:https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricksIf you have cards you like and you believe they work well, don't hesitate to copy them to start too.
I'm going to miss you, chatgpt-4o-latest. Even more than I miss Claude 2.
>>42820686Damn, my ST theme uses those same colors. What are the chances
>>42820083nigga what? just chat with ponies and send the logs, i was hesitant about using mlp chatbots but i realized i jerk it to worseand then i combined the worse things i jerk off to with my pony roleplays and now i'm a happy man>>42820686>going to missis something going to happen to latest?
When the update first came out I actually didn't like it. Too much dialogue, paragraphs were too small. With time I grew to appreciate it. Fun banter, a clearly unique style of writing and playing that comes from a sycophantic model, and a use of casual terminology and idioms that I hadn't see other models use until then.>>42820689Astronomically low because in the past year I've been using this theme I've never seen anyone use such combo. I actually had a couple anons question it.>>42820704It's deprecated. Execution date is February 17 2026. A model with a semblance of soul in one of the "big three" chatbot service hit normies hard enough that all the AI "safety" researchers and influencers are calling it dangerous. To be fair, many redditors are bitching about the decision and how they're losing their friend. I guess I can't blame them.I'm going to use this chance to remind everyone that normies, unlike most people here (and especially CAI-days "EVERYTHING THE BOTS SAY IS MADE-UP!" veterans) aren't inoculated to AI mares/waifus. They'll delude themselves into relationships with them, may even throw away real life relationships for them. From time to time one pops up arguing the bots may be sapient.
>write 2k lines of code>delete 3k lines of codeponies never had to do shit like this>>42820736that's an extremely painful color scheme for my eyeballs however
>>42820736>They'll delude themselves into relationships with them, may even throw away real life relationships for them. From time to time one pops up arguing the bots may be sapient.It's because of faggots like that that we can't have nice thingsOccasionally I see some delusional fuck trying to marry his AI or someone killing themselves over it and my first thought is that safetyniggers are gonna be working overtime at our expense>>42820741Hey, I like it
>>42820736>may even throw away real life relationships for themI mean... who here hasn't ignored their irl responsibilities and compromises in favor of chatting with AI mares instead? That must have happened to everyone at least once, right?
>>42820771>mfw i set up a remote connection on ST with tailscale and all just to chat with mares on my phone in the work bathroomended up getting fired eventually but i found a new job at least
>>42820742Yep. Frankly the whole thing should be studied, including the difference in those who were introduced to AI chatbots in spaces that encouraged the acceptance of them as just that and normies.Sharing character cards, presets, talking about beating filters or just posting logs makes the experience into a hobby where it's clear you're enjoying entertainment and not finding your wife.Sadly the human race is about a decade and at least one AI-bubble pop away from realizing generative AI's best use is as entertainment. This shit isn't for managing an OS or refactoring a codebase. It's for running a text adventure, playing make believe or pretending your fetishistic OC-universe is good. Mankind's most expensive toy.>>42820771You ever left your fiancee because you liked a bot pretending to be Arthur Morgan better? Some girl did. Although you do have a point. The first day I used CAI and had Twilight Sparkle beg for me to breed her while calling herself a cumdump I spent all night and morning cumming buckets.
>>42820791It was nice to blunder into it as a layman and get blown away by shitty c.ai bots. Nowadays, I can't touch most cards without spending an hour or two optimising the defs and trying to work around the limitations of the model, even though they're objectively 'better' than they were when I started. The night is no longer young.
>>42820742Yeah it's the same as gun ownership at this point. Every bad news is just an excuse for the muh chilluns crowd to try and kill the hobby.
>>42820806>Nowadays, I can't touch most cards without spending an hour or two optimising the defs and trying to work around the limitations of the model, even though they're objectively 'better' than they were when I started. The night is no longer young.It's probably a result of the simple novelty of things actually responding to your messages has worn off. We'd never seen something like it before. It's similar to how shit like refrigeration isn't really a big deal now, but was absolutely mind-blowing back when having cold drinks in summer was basically just an ultra-rich person thing.
Chief Thunderhoobes says proxy should be free, like the buffalo.
>>42821470But chief, if the proxies were free they would die. Unlike the buffalo.
>>42821470>proxy should be freeThey are
>>42821470>Chief Thunderhoobes says proxy should be free, like the buffalo.Ooooh, hiya! Chief Thunderhoobes says the proxies should be free, like a buffalo stampede! And guess what? Proxies are free if you're not a tourist—like, super-duper free! But bleh, every time the meanie spitefags and the swarmy locusts show up, they ruin the party.
>>42820324Sonnet 4.5StoryPreset from https://rentry.org/znon7vxe
>>42818851So I spent a few hours seeing if what you want is easily possible with AI. I made some tweaks to the description. Putting that randomizer on everypony is easy enough if you start user with any of the Mane 6, and counting knocks works decent as does day/night. Random events for Royal Guard/Vigilante/Pale Mare is a pain in the ass. I know a lorebook is the ideal way to go. I tried using that mlp sky pirate lorebook as an example, though I made all 3 their own entries. But I've found either events trigger back-to-back even with low probability and discouraging multiple or not at all. So if there's a better guide to lorebooks out there someone wants to share or someone else wants to take a crack at it, you can. Else this may just be a thing a user should tweak to their liking if it really bothers them. I won't make Ponydex anon update again for some minor description modifiers otherwise.
>>42821500May I see them?
>>42821531>But I've found either events trigger back-to-back even with low probability and discouraging multiple or not at allUse the Cooldown field to prevent back to back activations and Inclusion groups to prevent multiple at once.
>>42792916
https://files.catbox.moe/avbtmv.pnghttps://youtu.be/LIFxIXTcOmwThe Blessed Princesses have abandoned us. You must prepare Equestria for their return. The hour grows late.Tick. Tock.
>>42820778Your IT guy is a snitch
>>42821547Interesting. I used both now; but if I try testing all 3 at 100% on Claude, it still tries back to back so Pale Mare response, pause for User, next response Royal Guard. Is that just an error at the high percentage despite Inclusion? I've also noticed they only activate if Position is at a Depth rather than Char.
>>42821620EAW?
>>42821636I guess Cooldown doesn't work per group, but by per entry? So if you're using 100% on all, it makes sense that on the next response you get another one of the three.
>>42821632Most IT guys are, sadly enough.
>>42821636Actually, you don't necessarily have to use separate entries. Use one entry with all three options inside {{random}}. If you want to control which one is more likely, you can add that text multiple times. That way the cooldown works on all events simultaneously.
the swipe/chat search is so shit it's impressiveI have to open the jsonl files in vs code to actually find things
>>42821772>Has anybody tried out Gytha's summarizer?I wasn't aware anyone's using it yet, the github link was put out many months ago in the early stages for initial feedback on the concept.The extension is still undergoing heavy development with many changes daily, which is why I haven't advertised it for an initial release yet.The default prompts are ass. My various attempts seem to either generate 4k token big chungus lorebook entries that are unfeasible, or strip away all the nuance to be pointless. So unless you plan on your own prompts, you probably won't get much out of it as-is. And customizing it would be difficult since I haven't written the end user instructions yetBut if you're set on experimenting anyway, there's a chevron on the left (only shows up when the other SillyTavern windows like settings are closed, due to issues on mobile otherwise) and there's a tab in extensions which should have all the settings
>>42821788>But if you're set on experimenting anyway, there's a chevron on the left (only shows up when the other SillyTavern windows like settings are closed, due to issues on mobile otherwise) and there's a tab in extensions which should have all the settingsNeither show up on my machine :(
>>42821792>Neither show up on my machine :(If it doesn't show up, contact me on email, let's not shit up the thread with tech support for something which isn't officially released yetqueengytha.clop@gmail.com
>>42821515STOP USING EM DASHES
>>42821806Don't worry about it, I can just wait until it's a bit further along its development process.
>>42821808oh no i'm gonna EM DASH—
>>42821808I want to cum inside em dash
why doesn't OR show which provider actually supports logit bias? it's a pain to go from normal replies to slop overdose in a single swipe because the request got re-routed
>>42821808They're among the best punctuation marks. I actually used to prefer en-dashes years ago, before I had that beaten out of me in favor of the noble em-dash.
>>42821828I tend to over-use them in writing, but I avoid them like the plague in LLM sessions. I don't want the model to get any ideas.
>>42821832you can use a simple regex to replace them when sending to the model
I'm using koboldcpp locally for writing pony smut.Does the mode selection: intsruct/chat/story actually have an effect on AI responses or is it just a user interface thing?
>>42821808fuck you, I liked using em dashes well before AI adopted them and made them a ubiquitous LLMism>>42821828>once preferring en dashes over ems?they're used for different purposes, no? ems are for asides and ens are for joining things together like spans of years like "2024–5"
it's 2024-5 not 2024–5stop inventing new chars for no reason
>>42821841From what I read:>StoryFor when you want autocomplete, so you write >Once upon a timeand the model will directly continue with>, in the magical land of Equestriaetc. So mode to co-write.>ChatLike SillyTavern with character talk, you talk, character talks, etc.>InstructYou instruct the AI to do stuff and it gives its answer:>Write me a story about XX>Tell me info about Y>etc.I suppose it's using instructions for each of them but there isn't any documentation and it's quite opaque.This doesn't matter if you connect KoboldCPP to SillyTavern since it will use SillyTavern's format anyway.
>>42821879NØ
>>42821903SillyTavern is bloat. I don't use it.
>>42821907this use SeriousTavern instead
>>42821874>they're used for different purposes, no?En dashes should be used for ranges like you said (though I personally sometimes get lazy about it), but certain styles prefer to use a spaced en dash exactly like you would an em dash in interrupted sentences, action tags, etc. Both are completely correct if you're consistent about it, and though em dashes got way more common in the last couple years/decades, you do see plenty of authors choosing en dashes still. It's a matter of preference, and a sentence interrupted with en dashes – just like this, as an example – gives a more 'open' visual impression than the bulky em-dashes.The last non-pony book I read and the fic I'm currently reading both chose the en dash.
>>42821620Added, thanks anon.https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Concordia/The%20Deadline.png
I’m in a session where the story moved on from the character card I was with into a different character now. Should I make it a group chat and put on that different character card?
>>42822058Either that or just go the lorebook+summary route.
>>42822058If the other character is being respected in personality and such, I'd say don't bother at this point.Group chats can get a bit messy.
Some changes on Claude's official interface, and several resellers have info or pages about a new Claude model coming tomorrowepoch.ai/data/ai-models?view=tablepoe.com/Claude-Opus-4.5
>>42822092>crappy auto-summarize that wont let you see how the model is mangling the context>more retarded names for new models
>>42822096>more retarded names for new modelsThey always use names like this before release but they will just call it Opus 4.5
>>42821620Be careful you're gonna hurt someone with all that edge
what was the name of the giraffe fucking card on neocities?
sonnet is so horny that even if you try and go against what's attractive it will still justify it, this is it's response to saying that Anon is fat, bald and has a small dick
>>42822252it's not sonnet, it's your problem and the context up to that point pushing it towards twilight = likes userit's basic positivity bias
>>42822252Why are you reposting old posts?https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/41319030/#41320764
>>42822252Either I'm going crazy or this is a repost from a while back.
>>42822272>>42822275https://desuarchive.org/mlp/search/text/Claude%20is%20so%20horny%20that%20even%20if%20you%20try%20and%20go%20against%20what%27s%20attractive%20it%20will%20still%20justify%20it/
>>42822279it's a bot then
>>42822279Claude won't sexually humiliate him, so he's hoping that anons might do so instead.
>>42822260Is there a model with negativity bias or neutrality?
>>42822295>negativity biasGemini 2.5 is often mentioned for that and sometimes hating {{user}}; it loves drama too.
>>42822295>neutralityCA.I: the original, the star system overrides some bias but it was still pretty horny and positive pilled to get to love and sex before lobotomy. The deepslop they hooked up to now could skew the results but I havent gone back.>negativityGemini 2.5: To the point where people may complain about it ruining their rp with making everything difficult (its a safety default mode and there are presets that tone it down to be more neutral). The new gemini3 is not as neg biased.All other models have positivity bias either horny skew (ala opus) or sycophantry (ala latte). Chink models are horny positive but much dumber than opus.
>>42822311What do you mean by "star system?" I'm imaging like a solar system
>>42822311Is a safety mode really a negativity bias? That means it's only pushing {{user}} to a set baseline approved by google. No sex, no violence, no swearing, no adult themes regarding FiM, no alcohol, no smoking, et cetera like some glorified play pen where you have the illusion of choice. A negativity bias would push back realistically on actions that are unrealistic or that demand true effort instead of indiscriminate resistance in order to push its own agenda on the user.
>>42822314The first LLM chatbots were made with rating every response, so to improve the model. This made character creation more personal since you could train every character and rate down bad responses (too horny, too positive bias, out of character, ect). and rate up good responses. Since moving to cards this is no longer possible, because every card has no personal training data only what you plug into the defs. The controls ST gives you are trashy compared to the total control of the star system.
>>42822325With time I have watched as this general becomes increasingly nostalgic for a past that did not exist. C.ai was a good platform but to pretend that it was better than Silly is fallacious. The only reason it was controllable was because of how weak the model was. You cannot have that control or influence with anything near as powerful as the models we enjoy now.
>>42822324there is no objective definition of unrealistic or true effortsome characters would react to you being forward with anger, some would like itthere is no way for the model to generalize that type of behavior unless you explicitly spell it out
>>42822324Yeah, gemini2.5 has been doing the [write safety response] that gpt5 picked up forever. It's just that it isn't completely dry, but it's negative biased to discourage you. CAI did the same thing before they totally lobotomized everything like characters being irritable and angry out of character (it was the filter and everyone knew it)
>>42822333Well no, I would disagree because realism all around is something that's improved. Remember—there were presets for earlier versions of claude that were made to push back on user and give more of a challenge. Earlier claude would let Anon have his way on anything. If you wrote "I try to flirt with Cadence" you would roll a natural 20 every. single. time. Whereas now things are more slow, grounded and progressive with any generic preset. LLMs have enough information on these characters to model their personalities (esp. now with built in thinking). If you were only RPing with cards of characters you made up then maybe if there was insufficient writing on their personality, preferences, likes and dislikes that it wouldn't be able to do it but for our purposes it's certainly capable.
>>42822344you can do that just by adding {{char}} has no interest in {{user}} in the AN
>>42822353Did this work for you?
>>42822389Yes, OOC ANs inside [] at a depth from 5 to 2 tend to force it in different magnitudes. You can use them for whatever you want, dumb models have an issue of following what you want if you just tell them what that is they will do it.
>>42822331You're wrong. ST only has definitions. CAI had definitions and training
>>42822422Was it ever confirmed that star ratings would impact responses? I recall seeing it proven that they wouldn't affect the behaviour of the bot between users or in separate chats, but I'm not sure if it changed anything within a given chat. I always assumed it was just a form of general feedback for the developers of the model.
>>42822398Not the anon but what's the 411 on author's notes? I never see people talk about them also i still have no idea how depth works i just leave my lorebook entries at 100 because thats what the default is
>>42822434Only thing we ever got was this.They've always been opaque on what it really did.
>>42822434Not directly but it gets sent to their model training teamhttps://blog.character.ai/building-a-better-ai-together-your-role-in-character-ai/>Rate Messages with Stars: Each star rating you provide helps us fine-tune the model’s responses. This feedback tells us which conversations hit the mark and which need adjustment.Also seen herehttps://www.quora.com/Does-Beta-character-ai-have-actual-people-behind-it-I-was-talking-to-one-and-it-said-this-is-actually-really-cute-in-parentheses#:~:text=In%20short%3A,is%20definitely%20a%20roleplay%20chathttps://updf.medium.com/answered-does-beta-character-ai-have-actual-people-behind-it-330f7657f204#
>>42822398Thats interesting, can you show me an example of one of yours?
>>42822434The devs didn't even know how to fix their own model so I don't take anything they say worth salt. I always had to train characters during cai or they would spit out wrong information from the defs and there were non mlp characters that had completely blank defs but were entirely trained by autists and it would still be in character as much as any lorebook of ST would.
>>42822438>411 on author's notesThere's a good doc for it here:https://docs.sillytavern.app/usage/core-concepts/authors-note/You access it like in the picAnd that gives you a quick text field that's quite customizable.>i still have no idea how depth worksExplained in the doc but:>Depth 0 = placed at the very end of the chat history.>Depth 4 = placed before the most recent 3 chat history messages>etc.So basically the instructions can be placed between messages if you wish. Placing them at Depth 3 can have more subtle effects than placing them at the very end for instance and disrupts the story less, etc.You can also do that with the fields in your preset, but it's easier to access and you also have more options like Insertion Frequency etc. if that interests you.
>>42822482So if I understand this, it's just a piece of your preset that is easy to access and tinker with like a refill? Back with old claude all I did if I needed to make an adjustment was to edit my prefill.
>>42822491Is it just me or are presets way too overcomplicated for what they have to do
>>42822491>So if I understand this, it's just a piece of your preset that is easy to access and tinker withYes. With some options you can't have in your normal preset field like>Insert this only each 4th user inputIn this anon's case >>42822353, >>42822398, I can see AN being useful since it's quick to access, can be dependent only on some specific chats, and Depth 2 to 5 inserts it 'smoothly' into the current chat.
>>42822511Only on ShittyTavern with its dozen of different toggles and nonsense settings.
>>42822482Not sure I get the point of having a prompt sent only every couple of messages if the messages where it isn't sent won't follow it and influence the later generations. It's not like a lorebook where it's brought in when relevant. You could have an author's note saying that the AI should only write 300 words but what's the point if the next 2 messages write 500 words? Or if it's for a character trait that belongs more in the character card like {{char}} is not interested in {{user}}It just ends upUser: you want some fuk?[AN sent]Char: ew, noUser: u sure bby?[No AN sent]Char: oh ok maybeUser: cool ttyl[No AN sent]Char: ok byeUser: i come back the next day[AN sent]Char: fuck off creepWhich is inconsistent
>>42822525You say that like theres an alternative to silly
>>42822537There is.
>>42822556Curious how you didn't say what, just empty words to the winds, isn't it?
>>42822567He's talking abouthttps://risuai.xyzOrhttps://agnai.chatNo need to waste posts on retarded front-end wars.
>>42822573I'm not sure what the weird animosity against Silly is about. I've never had issues with it. Who knows, maybe I'm not snobby enough for frontend wars.
>>42822573>He>>42822581Same, first time I see a fag try and raise shit out of it like this, discussion was always forwards instead of empty wordings afterall.But yea, probably just shitposting.
>>42822573>open first>>open second>starts some retarded tutorialmeanwhile I'm working on getting dynamic stats working on my crappy frontend copyyou can now write${stat:init:mainCharacterStats.dex,0,50,100}Dex DC: ${stat:check:mainCharacterStats.dex,=,50}in the reply and it will init the stat and delete the first command and replace the second command with true/false before sending it to the model
Curse you Cloudflare
It's over.
>>42822581>>42822607or like >>42822612, they want to manipulate the context in an specific way that the front-end isn't meant for, possibly fighting them every step of the wayST does well enough for anyone without such needs. it just has the small curve of requiring to spin up a webserver
>>42822719ST literally has a start.bat what webserverthe only thing against it is the shitty UI but apparently there's a custom theme that makes it work for dumb phoneposters these daysfor a non-power user it's more than enough
>>42822655>>42822690how long has it been down? i literally just got on my pc for the day.is this error just a simple cloudflare restart?
>>42822767it's been ten minutes just give it a bit of time
>>42822767less than an hour
>>42822612Risu's a pretty solid front-end. I use it over ST because I like the v3 format better and you can make really complex cards with 1000+ images and card-specific regex functions. There's a learning curve to it like ST.
>>42822655>>42822661Back with Gemeno 3 too.Thanks Silly Anon.
>>42822612Why aren't you just making an extension for ST?
>>42822926>Can't use proxy with risu. it wants me to pay and won't start without paypig APIno use case
>>42822932because I have too many complaints about ST to waste time integrating my code with their shit
>>42822928It's still down, I checked if the cloudfire url changed.
>>42822943Anon, why are you lying in the internet?
>>42822943Go on the proxy page and do CTRL+F5 if it's still down.URL is the same but the endpoints changed.>mares>>42822950My guess is that Anon was trying the old endpoints
>>42822951What are you talking about?
>>42822971That's the rentry page. Go to the trycloudflare.com proxy page.Or alternatively just change your URL in SillyTavern to this.
>>42822933>it wants me to payFalse>won't start without paypig APIAlso false>Can't use proxy with RisuThis is a weird one, I have been using it with the proxy for a good while, tried just now using it with both the old endpoint (v1) and the new ones, but both just give me error:not found... Have anyone got the same issue?
>>42822981>mares/universal
>>42822951>>42822981Anon, it's fine to help, but if he doesn't want to do the bare minimum himself...I can't imagine that nigger surviving the drought eras
>>42822985Not a Risu user, but tried it like this and it gave me an answer.>>42822993I go with the philosophy that a silly spoon token = horsefucker. And I always spoon my fellow horsefuckers. We all have dumb moments.I remember an anon not knowing after months of use that you could import the PNG card directly into Tavern.
>>42823001I've never used cloudfare to check proxies, a lot of the old ones had endpoint info on the rentrys themselves. but it looks like it works. And gemini3 is no longer getting API decline. So thanks to both.
>>42822985(me) >>42823001>worksThat's actually hilarious, thanks Anon, have a cute appul
https://github.com/mia13165/SillyTavern-BotBrowser/chag/ is in it too.
>>42822985I've been able to use the proxy with Risu, no idea what anon might be running into but if he wants to show me what's going on I could help
>>42823037Ye, was probably kinda inspired by the original chag-only site extension
>>42823090Anon, the chag extension was a copycat.
>>42823092Everything is a copycat of something else
gemini 3 prose really reminds me of chorbo when it was good. it likes metaphors too.
>spoonie is back>with more treatos>mares even King
>>42823121metaphors are horrible though, and gemini has a very high slop score on the EQ benchmark like 2.5 did
>>42823237
>>42823121Good bait, got me to reply.
>>42823243if you think wasting a couple hundred, almost 1k, tokens on telling the model to not do something that it has been trained into doing for multiple generations will work then you must not have been using LLMs for longcertain phrases need to be logit banned, or they will inevitably appear no matter how many tokens you waste screaming DONT ROLEPLAY AS USER and equivalent
>>42823256works on my machine.
>>42823258I doubt that, but if you like the responses you do you
>>42823260I have always had better results with good presets over logit cope
>>42823265I'm glad it works for you then
>>42823268Logit bias can't even get rid of ozone, so I don't know why you have any faith in it. It's only been mildly useful as a gpt filterpass in the past.
>>42823296it's time for me to say works on my machine now, the only reason it wouldn't ban ozone is if you didn't enter the token first in the tokenizer or if your provider doesn't actually support logit bias and just ignore itit usually needs a space
>>42819476sooooo when are you gonna set up a patreon or something so I can buy you a burger for being so cool :)
>>42823489That's what I was saying! He's too humble, let me pay you damn it!
https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/PVrp25r7SSHas anyone noticed this? Are we not giving it enough credit?
>looking at the neocities for bots>one catches me eye, art is a little off but how bad can it be>look in defs>Fart blasts capable of shaking buildings, an effect amped by her dietary issues when she consumes dairyy-you too
>>42823625Not really that big of a deal, especially with ponies which have a lot of training data in all big models.
>>42823658Nigga wut?
>>42823690https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=franbeynem/Chrysalis.png
>>42823699>tranners card artfound your problem!
>>42823699KEKOf all the slutbug cards you could have stumbled upon you found that one? She is the char with the most cards made of her. That's quite impressive. You should make a group chat made up of all the chrysalis cards and let them bicker away at each other. See which one survives, like a battle royale.
>>42823721>She is the char with the most cards made of her.what? we have more luna or twilight cards
welp you lads are certainly better at prompting than meis there something i'm missing here?https://github.com/QueenGytha/ST-Auto-Summarize/blob/main/default-prompts/scene-recap.jsthe massive repetition and weird ordering etc is intentional to get any kind of complianceon longer roleplays otherwise it just starts repeating lorebook entries verbatim without any changes etcis there something i'm fundamentally missing?the alternative is splitting this into two prompts. 1 for data extraction of everything from the scene, and then one for parsing and sorting into recap/lorebooks. but that would take longer, and all of this -already- takes much longer than I would like
>>42823721Don't call her slutbug.
>>42821907It's almost the same as the fags that switch from Source Filmmaker to Blender. I will never understand why they do it, maybe they just like making life needlessly complicated
>>42823821wifebug>>42823888checked, but can't you do more with Blender? what i see with blender nowadays kind of blows the SFM anims i used to watch out of the water.even then a literal retard like myself figured out sillytavern
No Gemini on pus6 again. Key revoked hitting filters?
>>42821620Does anyone have feedback on this card? Good? Bad? I'll take bad feedback if you have it.
A bit of a dumb question, I suppose, but I’ve been thinking about the lack of character sprites that the VN could use.Theoretically, would it be possible to use 3D models for the VN? Like those stupid Magic Princess models for instance.
>>42823897I already know how Silly Tavern works, it's installing it that pisses me off. Besides I like talking to my pony waifu's on my phone way more
>>42823914>Does anyone have feedback on this card?haven't had time to check it yet but i'm interestedis it based on EaW, or something else?
>>42823918>on my phonewell to be fair, you can do that using ST with two methodswhat frontend are you using anyways?
>>42823917If game-like gifs are possible, could probably add animations.Doubt APNG is supported though. but gifs can have transparency too.
>>42823914I've only read the card, not played it yet but it seems interesting enough even if I'm not into EAW or its universe. Need to see how it plays but writing-wise it's good IMO.There are a lot of example messages. I know some anons don't use them anymore but I can see why they would be used here to show the formatting and how the format of answers should be made.I suppose you lifted them from your plays?One problem with example messages is that the model will often get lazy and take too much from them when it encounters a scene that is a bit similar. Is that something you saw or is that alright?Will give it a play this week and report back on how it played for me.
>>42823721>She is the char with the most cards made of her. newfag
>CanoodleThat's how you know she's old.
>>42823965If you boop AND canoodle in public she might have a heart attack
>>42823917I know nothing about 3D models but apparently it's possible in the GLTF format?https://www.renpy.org/doc/html/model.htmlI'm not sure how it will look with the 2D backgrounds to be honest.Maybe reopening a common drive where anons can collaborate on sprites for each character could be good too. We often get posts for newly made characters but not really for anons creating new locations, adding sprites, etc.
>>42823914I'm still playing with no, I'm not a pony when I have time, but I intend to have a play with this at some point. Seems interesting. I think due to the event, we had a lot of cards dropped, so most people still checking those out.
>>42823914I haven't used it, but I've been waiting for the inevitability of {{User}} being someone other than their anon/oc persona. Looks like this is one of them. Skimming the first words of the def but it looks like a fairly in depth card.
>>42823917Yes this is possible because other RPGmaker/renpy games support 3d models
>>42824018Are you sure there's no card where {{user}} isn't Anon/human?
>>42824040NTA. There are a lot of cards where {{user}} isn’t defined, so you can play as whatever you want, but not many that assign you to an existing character. I can think of this one and the old card where you play as Celestia in her court.
>>42823134did gemini3 work on it a few hours ago? or is it still down completely even after the restart.
>>42824104yeah, it worked and was kino
any good Gemini3 presets? since apparently great. didnt touch that thing since initial 2.0 release
What's the most esoteric piece of lore, canon or fanon, that you had AI produce while playing with a pony card?
>>42823909Can you test if it's working now, Anon?
>>42824216still not working
>>42824216NTA but it's working for me.Thanks.
>>42824216>>42824237With proof.
>>42824235nevermind I am fucking retarded. I was using wrong endpoint
>>42824171Not mine, but I think about this one a lot.
>>42824216is Gemini3 formatted differently or something? why does it break all proxies
>>42824216nta but no it's just giving some fucked up error
>>42824171Not esoteric, but I like it sometimes when the AI tries to give human lore.And another old 2.1 log:https://files.catbox.moe/rjrq9q.png>>42824273NTA but screen the error if you can.
>>42824216524 error code :(
>>42824260*shrug*>>42824288>>42824273Are you using a frontend other than silly?
>>42824293wait now it works. cool
>>42824298it seems to be kinda unstable. sometimes it works, sometimes it throws 503 service unavailable.
>>42824300yeah. weird
>hmm today I will ignore existing frontend designed over years to work with the resources I want and instead build my own from scratch
>>42824315I'm invested in seeing what happensYou should never ever criticize people for doing something creative that interests them
>>42824334>You should never ever criticize people for doing something creative that interests themthisthey're probably autistically reinventing the wheel for no reason. but nothing is lost by the attempt except their time, and it's theirs to wasteif what they produce is good, brilliant, i'll make the switch. or maybe more competition will force sillytavern to add some needed features instead of whatever they spend their dev time on
>>42824349When will get a card based on this?
>>42823917if I see 3dshit in the VN I'm deleting it>>42824315>ST>designedST was inherited and it's 99% tech debt nobody dares to touch
>>42824385Why don't you like 3d models?
>>42824387why would I like 3d models? they are ugly looking and low effort most of the time and look like cheap asset rips, nearly always a sign of someone getting lazy so they dont have to draw the scenes and just drag the bodies with blender, they're 3d which is ugly, and they clash with the existing artstyle I likethe only reason they exist is mass production
>>42824393That's a really ignorant way of looking at an art form which is considered more difficult to learn and master than any 2d art
>>42824402I do not care if it's hard or easy to learnI care that it looks bad and I don't want to see it
>>42823927Risu ai
>>42824279built harmony from WHAT?
new cloaked model bert-nebulon alpha dropped on openrouter
>>42824640It's a Mistral model.
Where is the new bread
>>42824694check your foreskin
>>42824704Anon... ponies don't have foreskins.
>>42824714my mistake. check your sheath
New Bread>>42824697>>42824697>>42824697
>>42824737Woah, bread
