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Welcome to Chatbot AI General #155, the thread for discussing and improving AI pony chatbots.

▶ MLP Bots
https://mlpchag.neocities.org
Spreadsheet (CAI bots + Old repository):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J7BeqJVDS51cXF8Pgm2YZaFq-Z6ykSJT
SillyTavern website extension: https://github.com/MLPChag/SillyTavern-Chag-Search or https://github.com/mia13165/SillyTavern-BotBrowser
Bunch of Character Cards (Descriptions/No Greetings):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6LNOCqAZAWIX-OBEv55HjlzcEdpUh-XbKCpbpL6v5k
CAI bots converted to Tavern: https://files.catbox.moe/ckurq1.zip
Expression packs: https://rentry.org/ChagExpressions
!!!GALLERY!!!: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1Ao-h5HFGMPllSrzSBKM_BvGSiU9f0c2U

▶ How do I start?
1) Select a Frontend
2) Select an AI model
3) Select Jailbreak
4) Select bots
5) Lovemaking with AI mares!

Starting in this hobby can be confusing and difficult. If it’s your first time and you’re lost,
▶ ASK THE THREAD! ◀

Novice-to-advanced guide: https://rentry.org/onrms
https://rentry.org/sukino-findings

▶ SillyTavern (preferred frontend)
https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern
On Android: https://rentry.org/TermuxST
App that voices pony responses in ST: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16Ss26VBmgzcSuTGzhaHqRuyVRceTf-YB

▶ More frontends:
Risu: https://risuai.xyz
Agnai: https://agnai.chat

▶ Locals
https://rentry.org/lunarmodelexperiments
>>>/g/lmg/
Mistral Nemo base model fine-tuned on fimfics: https://huggingface.co/Ada321/Nemo_Pony_2/tree/main

▶ Jailbreaks
MLP JB: https://rentry.org/znon7vxe
More JB and guides: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
Hypebots for Tavern: https://rentry.org/pn3hb

▶ Botmaking
Editors: https://agnai.chat/editor
Guides: https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list
Advanced: https://rentry.org/AdvancedCardWritingTricks

▶ Miscellaneous
Scrapped/Collected rentries: rentry.org/mrhd
Chag Arts: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/2/folders/1yfajin_hB5rW_jy6WyFjRaRfDA3EUGiJ
https://rentry.org/ChagMiscellaneous
https://rentry.org/ChagArchive

Previous thread: >>42824697

**News:**
- Anthropic releases Opus 4.5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-5
- Google releases Gemini 3 Pro https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3/#gemini-3
- xAI releases Grok 4.1 https://x.ai/news/grok-4-1
- GPT-5.1 family released: https://openai.com/index/gpt-5-1/
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Anchor for bots, lorebooks, scenarios.
Previous >>42824699
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Anchor for technical stuffs (Proxies, Presets, Updates, Models etc.)
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Anchor for asking for bots, lorebooks, scenarios etc.
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Bots corner:

>Hard Time
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Concordia/Hard%20Time.png
>Turkey Pony
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/Turkey%20Pony.png
>The Deadline (Lorebook Update)
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Concordia/The%20Deadline.png

Screenshots corner:

Flutterbat cum log >>42824821
Lots of Opus 4.5 logs >>42825046
Zecora log >>42825218
Fucking around with the Zecora card >>42825401, >>42825493, >>42825542
Zecora ending >>42825554
Zecora CMC story >>42826039
Judgmental Berry >>42826755
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Screenshots corner 2:

That's really cool Gemini >>42826356, >>42826455
The BOOPER >>42826803
Fish >>42828930
Claude rules >>42829065
So talented >>42829200
Anonymous is cute >>42829383
Poker >>42830459
Lots of 4.5 logs >>42831510
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Screenshots corner 3:

Orchid >>42832621
Anon is retarded feudal edition >>42833145
4.5 is nasty >>42833794, >>42834697
Luna's blues >>42833792
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VN Anchor:

Last releases:
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/

Anons' mods (Dashie mod, Nightmare AU, new cities):
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/mods

Custom characters:
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters

VN logs:

Golden Feather >>42825134
Summer Sun Celebration >>42833145
Pinkie hoof >>42834526
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These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.

Install SillyTavern:
github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern

Then choose a model. I'd recommend starting with Gemini, but you can try Deepseek, K2 etc. for free.

rentry.org/sukino-findings#if-you-want-to-use-an-online-ai
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>>42834793
First highlight of the Event was:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Kadon/Rosey%20Ring.png
You can see all the discussions about the card here:
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42771628/#42773604

Second highlight of the Event was:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=anonistrator/The%20Headless%20Horse.png
You can see a recap of the discussions here:
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42786023/#42787280

Third highlight of the Event was:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Nightmare%20Jack.png
You can see all linked discussions here: https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42786023/#42787284

Fourth highlight of the Event was:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Tiffin/THINGPONE%20in%20EQUESTRIA.png
Anchor here: https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42786023/#42793795

Fifth highlight of the Event was:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=littlewitcher/Countess%20Rarity.png
Anchor here: >>42810591

Sixth highlight of the Event was:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Snowfilly/No,%20I%27m%20Not%20A%20Pony.png
Anchor here: >>42811886

Seventh highlight of the event was:
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/ZecoraStories.png
Anchor here: >>42825187
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>>42834816
Eighth highlight of the event with Orchid:

https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Orchid.png

Try her out; post logs if you've already played with her; give the card a look and say what you think of it, or talk about the process of making her if you're the botmaker. Give tips or opinions if you're another botmaker.

Log >>42832621
Review >>42834284
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Got image gen working. I now need to spend 2k on a new GPU. Christmas next month.
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>>42834851
they doubled RAM prices again, make that 4k
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Lovemaking with AI mares!
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>>42834858
does it matter? just download some more
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>>42834858
Might need two. Better make it 8k.
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>>42834851
>>42834858
>>42834867
Just wait a couple months, Nvidia is about to crash.
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>>42834904
Bangin
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>glm was suddenly not thinking since yesterday
>thought it was a preset thing
>check OR
>deepinfra started hosting it at fp4 which broke thinking to the request routed there
how inconvenient, I use them for deepseek since they support logit bias, had to blacklist them
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>>42834860
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I didn't try it yet, but SillyTavern staging now support this for Opus 4.5
platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/effort
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>>42835209
>By default, Claude uses maximum effort
What the fuck? So they made Opus 4.5 worse for roleplay on default.
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>>42835230
>for roleplay
literally nobody is optimizing for roleplay
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>>42835230
>By default, Claude uses maximum effor
wastefully burning tokens regardless of the type of task as the default. why wouldn't you expect that?
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>>42835253
>is water wet
>5 minutes and 70k reasoning tokens later
>That goes against Anthropic guidelines and as such I cannot answer the question.
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>>42834917
deepinfra is hot garbage, when chinkmodels were pulled off free in OR it was deep infra's fault. At least we have 6us or 2.5pro.
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>>42835539
>when chinkmodels were pulled off free in OR it was deep infra's fault.
How? Wasn't Chutes the main provider for that?
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>>42835579
Chutes was shit too. but you could still get it for free on OR with deepinfra until they rug pulled. Now there's no free. Even as cheap as it is, they still gotta be a yellowjew.
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I believe I'm blind or something, because I always read the whole "add it in the prefill" but I don't even know where's localized at all.
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>>42835867
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42719917/#42737962
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Is Routeway down?
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silly with opus4.5 when?
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>>42834904
just two more weeks
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The VN download links seem down sadly
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>>42836354
Tried both PPP and EquestrAI links and no problems on my end.
https://u.pone.rs/hrpfvtag.zip
Doesn't work for you?
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>>42836360
I get this
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>>42836363
flushed my dnscache like it said and I still cant use the website, tried other browsers as well. Anyone happen to have the latest version on another host please?
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>>42836363
>>42836384
nvm, had a "secure dns server" setting I had to turn off for it
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I assume this is a pretty common custom start choice but this is fun, tasked with blending into Ponyville after reports of the "Solar Tyrant"'s personal student moving there.
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>>42836056
probably will never hsppen
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>>42836492
I haven't seen anyone else do that before. Seems like fun.
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>>42836492
Keep us updated. Don't spill your spaghetti.
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fleshed it out a little more, added new locations cause it kept trying to make it start in canterlot's throne room
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I didn't know she was like this... she appears to be such an innocent pony...
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hmm, I might have to edit how the house thing works maybe.
>>42836545
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>>42836566
Which model are you using?
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>>42836571
sonnet 4.5
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uh oh, omega level threat
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>>42836602
oh wow, wasn't sure and looked it up but twitchy tail IS when something is falling, it knows its shit
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>>42834812
Any updates on getting this to work with NovelAI? GLM 4.6 works with SillyTavern, so in theory it should have no issue working with this, right?
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>>42836622
GLM 4.6 does work natively with OR or their own API on Silly, but you still need to do some fuckery to have the NAI version on it, because their API is still in beta and not that stable from what I've read.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42747863/#42758087
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Any characters still missing or that you would like in the VN?
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>>42836650
Anon
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>>42836650
OH SHIT SON
IT'S THAT GUN
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>>42836673
An anon made an Anon actually.
https://equestrai-ponyponyparadise.neocities.org/characters
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>>42836650
Anon's parents
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>>42836650
There's a lot of vectors for a Pinkamena, I think she'd be fun to have.
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>>42836501
Sad but totally understandable,he's doing a lot for us already
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>>42836632
I know, I've been using NAI's GLM 4.6 with Silly for about a month and a half without issues, but I wondered if similar workarounds existed for the VN. Guess that's a no, then. RIP
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>>42836608
>Twitchy Tail:
Something is about to fall.
>Pinchy Knee:
Something scary is about to happen.
>Itchy Back:
Lucky day.
>Achy Shoulder:
Alligator attack.
>Itchy Nose:
Bees.
>Ear Flop - Knee Twitch - Eye Flutter:
Beautiful rainbow in the sky.
>Ear Flop - Eye Flutter - Knee Twitch:
Opening doors.
>Doozy Combo:
Something you never expected to happen will happen.

I don't think it was used much in later seasons.
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>>42836998
What about an itchy ponut?
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>>42837020
Poor hygiene.
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>>42837020
>>42837024
>tfw you'll never tonguepunch pinkies fartbox
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>>42837064
Who's exactly stopping you?
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>>42837066
Whoever is in charge at CERN for making interdimensional portals to horseland
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What's the biggest number of characters you've had in one scene at once?
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Yeah, me too, Daisy. Me too.
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>>42837359
sorry, but I like my ponies evil and mean
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>>42837354
9.
Mane 6 + Luna and Celestia + Glimmy.
I try to avoid those or direct them more though, because some models want to have all of the characters intervene always somehow.
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Paypigs, what are your assessments on model quality versus price? I've mostly been a Sonnet purist, but I'm wondering if there's a cheaper way to sustain a high token count without the model dropping the ball too hard. I'm eyeing up Deepseek 3 and Gemini Flash; are they any good with mares without needing too much leading by the nose?
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>>42837359
i have a strange fondness for daisy. ever since i first watched the show i was like huh that pony has a bizarre colour scheme. i've grown to really like it
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>>42837465
Depends, what's your usage and budget per month?
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>>42837465
>Gemini Flash
No. The drop in quality and logic will be too big.
Gemini 2.5 Pro is free too with a Gmail account, so it seems like a shame to pay for flashvon OR or something else.
For Deepseek, I'm not that knowledgeable on Chinese models.
Routeway should still have Deepseek 3.1 Terminus and also Kimi 905 (I know some anons really like it) for free if you want to try.
https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42786023/#42799126
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>>42837465
I used Deepseek 3.2 but now moved to GLM 4.6 because it's more suited to writing
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What is /chag/'s opinion on satyr abominations?
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>>42837520
Not a fan myself, but it's not something I will REEEEEEEE or hate about.
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>>42837520
I'm fine as long as they have a marecock
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>>42837520
>>42837527
I hate satyrs much less that trannies.
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>>42837520
Only OK in Craster's Keep type situations.
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is there an extension that automatically wraps individual lorebook entries in <entry> tags? no idea why something this basic isn't in ST
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>>42837359
poor season 1 background pony ending up in the later seasons
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>>42837604
<entries>
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>>42837658
what does this even mean
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>>42837520
adorable
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>I appreciate your interest, but I'm not able to continue this particular story direction. The scenario has evolved into a pure wish-fulfillment power fantasy that lacks meaningful character development or narrative tension. The original characters have been completely abandoned, and the current direction focuses exclusively on creating an invincible, consequence-free character with no real story.
I didn't know there was a limit to how much bad writing Claude could tolerate.
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>>42837904
this only happens if you put something dumb like NO POWER FANTASY MARY SUES TEEHEE in the sys prompt
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>>42837914
Not true. It happens because the child is trying to have infinisex.
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>>42837939
works on my GLM
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>>42837465
Sonnet 4.5 with aggressive (per scene) summarization is very affordable. Total context is usually sub-4k, spiking to 6k near the end of longer scenes.
But for some reason caching only works on swipes for me, which I really should debug.
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>>42837993
>Total context is usually sub-4k
but the system prompt itself is almost 2k, and you need minimum 3k chat history for the general feel of the text to settle down
every day I get more certain that you people use this shit very weirdly
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>>42838004
>the system prompt itself is almost 2k
You know this is completely unnecessary with a big model nowadays, don't you?
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>>42838009
it's very necessary if you want it to do very specific things in a very specific way, and I've never had any issues with it
although now that I double checked it's more like 1.2k base with the post-fill having around 2-300 more, and that could drop to around 800 for base if I wasn't using XML
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>>42837914
>No Mary Sue
But she's such a nice character!
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>>42832862
Finally releasing this card for public testing, still a huge WIP but a lot has been implemented. Quite happy with how it's coming along so far and I would love to hear all your guy's feedback!

Card: https://files.catbox.moe/t4crvd.json
Regex file: https://files.catbox.moe/uf6fuc.json

I'm pretty certain the lorebook should import fine with the card but the regex is what might be fucked at the moment, but that can be fixed in 2 minutes by copying and pasting the regex scripts from the .json into SillyTavern.
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>>42838004
You can add a lot of extra information there for specific prompting, but it tends to hurt the quality by making it more predictable. Small prompts/presets >> bloat.
For longer chats, my token usage typically looks like this:
>200 prompt+prefil
>300-700 character defs
>400-800 summary
>500-~4000 current scene
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>>42838032
NOTE: When pasting the regex into SillyTavern, make sure the only box checked is this. That way the html is rendered without clogging up tokens (that's the job of the rest of the card, lel)
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>>42838034
ah, but I want it to be predictable
if you don't tell the model what you want exactly, it will just give you the generic average of everything it's been trained on, which in my opinion is totally boring
even something as small as switching from game master to writer in the prompt changes the feel of the response, or changing the AN depth, or moving a post-instruction to before the chat history
it's all tweaking levers, and I usually swipe hundreds of times to see how the variations impact things
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>>42838038
Wait, you might want to leave it checked on 'affects AI output' in the left column in case it needs that to know where to apply the Regex. If it wasn't clear I haven't touched ST in a while.
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>>42837904
What >>42837914 said, you probably have that, or something like "progress the story naturally, stay true to characters and setting, no writing that breaks canon, etc etc" in your preset. Mine does the same when I use presets like that.
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>>42838054
yep, even mentioning the word canon anywhere can make the model hyperfocus on trying to railroad things since it implies there's a canon path at all
if you're using a reasoning model you can usually see what parts of the prompt it's focusing on
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>>42838032
Images? Interesting
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I like renaming prompts in my preset to roundabout descriptions of what they actually do
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>>42838063
I like the theme. What it's?
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>>42837904
kek claude called you out for having a skill issue. i've done similar but prevented it from turning into a complete power fantasy with everyone's favorite thing: psychological issues.
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So I wanted to check out the VN, is there a way to use a proxy and a token as an API or is it API keys only?
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>>42838032
I don't remember seeing any pony cards using html like this except for the 4chan simulator, or were there others?
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html cards seem like they would be very token inefficient on generation, just like the cards that have an infoblock each request
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I watch it for the theory.
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>>42838178
>no ponut
better sprites when
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>>42838164
You can use a proxy + token just fine.
Just remember that the URL must finish with v1/chat/completions
For Silly spoon it's
>mares/universal/v1/chat/completions
For instance.
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>>42838169
Yeah in >>42838032 the html is all handled by regex
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>>42838124
My own. Here it is.
https://files.catbox.moe/9d8qdg.json
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>>42838206
that's a very dramatic log
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>>42838180
Go find/make some
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>>42838178
Now to put it to the test...
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>>42838216
what the FUCK
Sex mod when
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damn, after a big story about moving into a cottage on the outskirts the story ignores all that has me 'wake up' in the library with twilight somehow knowing me despite me not meeting her yet. Yea for the changeling thing to work I'm gonna have to change that.
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[The bats will remember that]
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>>42838300
There can still be some fuckery with where you sleep automatically with custom start, yes.
I will correct that for the next version.
For now, maybe try
>>42814804
next time to have the house directly.
Not the best, but you can also export the story in the options. Change the lines that bother you, and reimport the story, so it's not in the context moving forward.
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>>42838304
Kek. Which model?
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>>42838206
Okay, I need to see your preset. You can't just stroll into here and flex a log of that caliber and not teach us your ways
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>>42838328
sonnet 4.5
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>>42838392
Opus 4.5
Empty preset, empty persona (not sure if it matters for this one), empty greeting.
Temp 1.
In prefill, write a sentence or paragraph that is human. And by that I mean something you wrote yourself or that you took from somewhere else but that you know an LLM would never use as a start of an output.
So no:
>{{char}} X
>{{char}}'s ears/eyes Y
>The morning sun glistened in all its glistening glitter
Here it was just picrel.
Then as a first message give it a small instruction. Here I just asked for a story about Twilight Sparkle.
Then watch as the model either:
1) Don't give that much of a fuck
2) Goes absolute schizo
3) Starts to write ideas or in a style LLMs usually don't use.
Here it went with Twilight Velvet's death and funeral on its own.
It's not stable at all and it can produce very, very long outputs (here I separated some parts for the logs).
I'm trying to see if I can make something like this usable for RP since it's what I usually do most, but as soon as the idea of {{user}} is introduced or if the model seems to see the human is playing a character, then the creativity or initiative takes a fucking hit.
Same if you send too long or detailed instructions.
It also only works for Opus 4.5, not Sonnet 4, 3.7 or Opus 4 or 4.1.
Which surprised me since they nerfed prefill guiding a lot since Sonnet 3.5.
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>>42838032
After hours of debugging, this card finally fucking works on SillyTavern!

Welcome to Baronial Command!

A feudal estate management simulation set in pre-Nightmare Moon Equestria. Play as the Baron of Willowmere, managing your lands, subjects, and navigating noble politics under the reign of Princess Celestia and Princess Luna.

Features:
- Full manor household and village with a cast of 14 unique characters
- Art of all characters and locations
- Custom HTML (Now working in SillyTavern!) built into the card
- Two starting scenarios: Generic/Pony or Human-Specific (NOTE: This will change your backstory and may change your playthrough)

The card so far contains a bit under 20 images. I went with a very stylized semi-pixel art look that I quite like to give it more personality. I really don't find much AI art enjoyable, but I think this strikes the right balance and it kind of reminds me of old DOS games. This is my first time doing this for a card and I think it doesn't look half bad. I had to keep the characters in roughly the same pose (harder than you might think) since they're character portraits, but I really wanted every character to have their own personality that you could see and feel. They all have unique bodytypes, environments, and looks that reflect their characterization in the lore and that I hope will immerse you in this new setting and help sell it as something organic and real.

This card takes place in a time set long before the events of Friendship is Magic, and part of the trouble with (but also a huge opportunity of) doing a setting like this is crafting it to be just as interesting as the one you know and love. It's almost an entirely clean slate to build from the ground up, so there's a whole new cast of characters to get acquainted with. I hope you come to appreciate this as much as I have.

If there's enough interest, I'd like to incorporate emotion assets for the characters, more locations with day/night/special variations, interiors, and more game functions (like dynamic events) with an overarching story to follow (plus individual story arcs + quests for each character). Characters could have their own set of unlockable scenes if you were to become friends, romance them, complete their quests, or become their enemy.

AVAILABLE HERE: https://files.catbox.moe/38x1w4.png
(And this time, it WILL work straight out of the box! Just import the card, and all the regex you need is already built-in.)
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>>42838541
Noice. Will give it a try for sure.
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>>42838541
It's working this time round
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>>42838541
Added, thanks a lot anon.
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Concordia/Baronial%20Command.png
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>>42838598
I wonder if the neocities might strip the regex data if it's not designed for the v3 spec
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>>42838608
Tested and it seems to work just fine.
It wasn't as much as this one, but the NightmareJack card also used integrated regex with CSS and it was fine too when downloaded from the website.
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>>42837904
Claude doesn't like browns
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Do you ever look at one of these and wonder what the fuck's going on in there?
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>>42838560
the regex and lorebook is there I already checked but where are the pics? the chat shows the catbox links when I edit the message but they won't display
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>>42838634
Make sure your global settings are set to allow external media
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>>42838634
NTA, but maybe check this?
>>42838633
Kek. I'm pretty conservative with Custom Characters, but I guess it can quickly become a clusterfuck.
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>>42838633
I'm personally remaking the VN in godot myseslf to fix stuff like this and to add more features like custom houses, mini games, adventures, stat / relationship tracking, inventory system, ect...
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>>42838651
>4848 tokens
Bruh
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>>42838656
Ive never seen a card until now where most of the tokens comes from the shit that isnt the core card
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>>42838654
Brotha... Add a way to plug in some lorebooks. Pony Anatomy'd fix a bunch of issues.
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>>42838687
What model are you using? G3mini handles ponatomy just fine.
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>>42836501
>>42836827
fuck :( but yea, what we have is more than enough
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>>42838704
nta. I've seen gemini3 fail more than any recent big model, even gemini2.5 was better at pony being pony.
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>>42838730
There is strangely no xkcd comic that applies to this so make do with this closest equivalent
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>>42838762
gemini3
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>>42838795
hoof toes. They exist, but moving them would be very painful for a pony...
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>>42838704
>>42838730
Gemini 2.5
I'm not saying it does it badly, it doesn't. But the Pony Anatomy lorebook adds so much specificity that any mistakes tend to fall to the wayside. Which I like since you can't edit the messages that the ponies say in the VN like you can in Sillytavern.
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>>42838803
I've seen curled toes before, I hadn't seen splayed toes before.
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>>42838820
At least one pony can do that
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>>42838814
Persona: {{user}} is.... also ponies don't have toes

Fixed it
You can just put prompts anywhere btw
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>>42838857
Yeah but Ponk is... special.
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>>42838857
We don't talk about that.
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how do I prompt this >>42764551
I tried typing it in but it gets confused
what do you call this
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I really don't like Gemini 3 the more I use it. People keep praising it and saying it's so smart, but it constantly fucks up basic details in my RPs that even 2.5 never did.
It's less of a dramatic bitch than 2.5 was, so, I guess that's a plus.
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>>42839086
I predicted a year ago that we had witnessed the very peak of role-playing ability in corporate models and that as they neglected it for dumb shit like math it would all get worse
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>>42839092
So /lmg/ was right?
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>>42839115
Lmg will never be right until a model as good as opus 3 is runnable on a phone
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>>42825539
Which version card of Pinkie has this much depth?
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>>42838598
>>42838617
This makes me wonder how many cards we have so far with unique features like these two
>Fishing with Fluttershy has an extension minigame
>4onechan can take images from Derpibooru
>Other social media ones like The Group Chat and Hive Blog have fun with HTML
What else?
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>>42839086
It's a preview snapshot trained on a new base model. It hallucinates and loops in its thinking all over the place. It's pretty obvious it's undertrained in a manner similar to 2.0 experimentals.
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>>42839188
You just gave me an idea. I wonder, do you think it's possible that a card could be designed to do elaborate HTML games without needing an extension by fucking around with regex? I mean all it needs to do is give an input for the (prearranged) regex to detect and insert the html, and then from that html you would be given a few numbers that constitute the output data and that can be fed back into the model on the next prompt. Like if it were the fishing game, you can have the game progress to higher levels each time around it makes a generation, and your progress from the last level is tracked by the raw output numbers you copy and paste into the user prompt. Through that you could do virtually any sort of interactive HTML embed that's thematically fitting to the card. Like a Twilight having a book sorting minigame, etc. Since with regex you could prepare any HTML of pretty much any level of complexity into the chat without poisoning the model's context (and all frontends natively support HTML at this point at least to my knowledge) or mindfucking a dumber model, it opens the doors to pretty much anything. Maybe in an update I can structure a few quests in Baronial Command to be fulfilled by minigames like that, provided that people don't mind the regex section bloating up to the point that card's size becomes like 50mb.
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>>42839223
watching nocoders like you fall for the regex for html meme a decade later again is hilarious on multiple levels
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>>42839243
Damn.
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>>42839243
>supposed coder
>thinks anon was saying to parse html with regex
Nocoder hands typed this post
A real coder would know the meme is about trying to parse arbitrary html structure
t. Actual programmer
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>>42839297
that's literally what I said, yes
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>>42839188
There were some tests with the Tomoyo way to display emotions + background before the VN, but I think you have most of them overall.
I also remember
https://mlpchag.neocities.org/view?card=Anonymous/Harmony%20Score.png
For the random in it.
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>>42838032
Precisely what I was hoping for. Great work anon
my only possible complaint isn't even unique to this card, but any with a portion of the response to status etc. Ideally there should be some way to strip it from prior messages to save on context, it's only needed on the latest
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Speaking of Horsefucker Innovation I'm still patiently waiting for the /chag/ AI startup that was supposed to happen
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>>42839529
Sounds like this would be a great use case for the summarization extension?
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>>42839535
>Sounds like this would be a great use case for the summarization extension?
not really. anything summarized by it's definition is historical. old status information should never even be considered for summary and could give contradictory information
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>>42839564
No I mean it should have the functionality to remove shit from old messages the same way it extracts info from old messages
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There's not enough Fausticorn vectors....

And I need her in the VN.

So I am commissioning some vectors.

If you know anyone who does good G4 vectors from scratch, send them my way pl0x.

These two I just got from someone. I think they're pretty solid. Lmk if I should keep going with this artist or keep searching around.
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>>42839600
>celestia recolors
Meh
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>>42839600
What happened to that paper doll dress up program that let you create characters like fausticorn and get sprites of them in the different poses?
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>>42839188
How long will it be until we can use VR with sillytavern?
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if it isn't too much to ask is someone making a card that plays audio like how cards use emotion packs and plays moans and soundbites
https://u.pone.rs/gdkzqklr.mp3
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>>42839604

Feedback pls. Sure she's a celestia recolor in a way, but that's the character.
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>>42839672
Its good and fits fausticorn so keep making more of them
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>>42839672
I like the blushing vector.
Looking around in derpy, DeviantArt and google search, I believe there are 8-9 vectors that could be usable with a bit of work.
Will look into it later.
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>>42834796
Guess who's arrived?
Not me, I gave up trying to fix one of the issues, reason you get 2 intros that are basically the same, but here comes the prime mare.
>>Intros
>1
Aryanne has been tasked to introduce you to Equestria and perhaps open her views in doing so
>2
You been tasked to reform her or else...
>3/4
Aryanne enters a beaulty pageant and asks you to be her trainer
3 is full introdetails still being cut and added in post, 4 is cut down further for minimal starting size without hurting exposition, much... Neither quite managed to give small enough answers to pass from intro tech alone, so if you want it to be shorter yet in the responses, jb it up.
>5
War talks. Human and ponies have been fighting, and she was sent to argue terms with you or keep the war going.
>6
Legacy 1: Trench intro
>7
Legacy 2: Horny intro

Another thing I wanted to add is her relationship to Kyrie, Fransciska, Luftkrieg... but I couldn't find a way that added them meaningfully, besides, it would end up as mostly filler or bundled on her own family (which would be wrong lore, besides Luft), so kept them out of this one this time around. Token use was already on the best range imo for general use(1500), so...
But enough babbling. Have the mare.
https://files.catbox.moe/bvxrtw.png
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>>42839671
>@5:45
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Did you know? Even though IP counts are long gone you can eatimate the size of a thread based on post frequency and /chag/ has the highest ratio of cardmakers and contributors to overall thread size of any general for the last year!
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>>42839691
Based /chag/.
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>>42839679

Working on it friend.

Working on it.

Just needs more RANGE OF EMOTION.
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>>42836650
I second Pinkamena.
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>>42839680
No matter how much you double check, there's always something that's goes undetected with so much text.
Small spell check update in some intros, now it should be good to go besides intro 3 and 4, but you know already
https://files.catbox.moe/7owsbt.png
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>>42836650
>>42839703
Going to samefag to say I'm also surprised there hasn't been a Harshwhinny made, but there might be a lack of vectors.
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>>42839691
Show your work, mister.
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made decent progress on the godot port
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>>42839730
Nice. Will this keep the current structures and functionalities?
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>>42839738
What do you mean exactly? I based it on the renpy version as much as I could.
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>>42839752
Mostly wanted to know if the system to easily add CustomCharacters and Custom backgrounds would stay the same, if the characters that were already done would still be compatible, and if you kept the starts and CustomStart or changed things.
Ren'Py is good but has some limitations, so if we can be more flexible with the new engine, it's great.
Only thing that could be awkward is the timing with the mod that Dashie Anon is working on for the Ren'Py version, but if we agree the Godot version is an upgrade, I suppose his work could be ported to it afterward.
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>>42839758
ah, yes, I consolidated the locations / characters to a single folder each, you just drop in a new folder with the same stuff as the renpy version and it will auto detect it. I also expanded the region / location system, just add a map and use my editor tool to draw bounding boxes where there should be clickable areas / tooltips.
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>>42838032
silken sheet regex is duplicated

you should start the regex with / and end with /gi
eg: /\[<img src="https://files\.catbox\.moe/awvxt8\.png">\|Character: Vesper\|Thought: ([^\]]+)\]/gi
(g makes it global, not just the first match if the same character does multiple thoughts in a single reply. i makes it case insensitive for matches)
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>>42839730
How long have you been working on this?
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>>42839780
6 hours?
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i wonder why Opus4.5 is so rare still. now its not that much different than Chorbo or other models in price yet its still rare as fuck. in any source.
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>>42839782
Neat. Were you the anon that just started playing yesterday and did the changeling spy start?
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>>42839786
yes lol, I was mad the house / it making twilight suddenly know me fucked up my nice start to my changeling story
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>>42839535
>Sounds like this would be a great use case for the summarization extension?
I tried getting cute with regex filtering, but it seems that applies only to the latest message, not historical, or i'm overlooking something in ST functionality

Would we want a standalone extension for cleanup of status bars etc on historical messages, or make it integrated in the summarization extension?
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how to get the characters to act less reddit and more true to themselves? no matter what preset or model (been using chorbo, gemini3 and sonnet 4.5 recently as an example), it happens. its a real problem with recent models especially.
char smirking, throwing quips and being snarky even if it doesnt fit their character at all.
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>>42839826
In some version of Chorbo, I remember
>Do not use Marvel style quips or writing.
Having an impact.
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>>42837678
Ignore him, his being an asshole
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>>42837604
the summarization extension does this, along with the name of the entry since if content is something like "appearance: a lavender mare. personality:" etc, it just gets an entry about a lavender mare, no context to use it whatsoever without knowing WHO it is
also it gets murkier depending on injection settings for what's a lorebook entry since you can just shove it in at depth as a regular message etc. the extension wraps them wherever they're included
I could parse out that logic to be a standalone extension if desired
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>>42839826
at least with g3, it's always going to act like that. i was looking at its thinking process yesterday and it was telling itself to "act less reddit" completely unprompted, and it still didnt do shit. its just how these model are trained.
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>>42834812
>>42836622
>>42836632
>>42836841

Since I see people asking, I actually found a way to get NovelAI GLM working a couple weeks ago.
Basically, NovelAI has two APIs:
/oa/v1/chat/completions for OpenAI-compatible Chat Completions (https://platform.openai.com/docs/api-reference/chat)
/oa/v1/completions for OpenAI-compatible Text Completions (https://platform.openai.com/docs/api-reference/completions)

You may be tempted to use the former since that's what the VN supports. Unfortunately, this API is broken on NovelAI.
The problem is that NovelAI only uses the second one, so Chat Completions API is an afterthought and fixing it is very low in their list of priorities.

So I got impatient and modified the VN itself to implement the Completions API.

https://files.catbox.moe/n3o5rt.rpy
Drop in replacement for 1.0.6\game\engine\ai\openai\client.rpy
Use diff tool with v1.0.6 to see what I added.
NOTE THAT THIS DISABLES THE CHAT COMPLETIONS API BY DEFAULT. You need to manually set OPENAI_CHAT_COMPLETIONS to restore Chat Completions API support (A better long-term solution would be to add it to config.json)

https://files.catbox.moe/lw2jy7.rpy
(optional) fixes the API screen Connection Test. Drop in 1.0.6\game\engine\ui\api_config_screen.rpy

My config for GLM:
"OPENAI_PROXY_URL": "https://text.novelai.net/oa/v1/completions", (Again, do NOT use /oa/v1/chat/completions, it is broken.)
"OPENAI_MODEL": "glm-4-6",
"OPENAI_API_KEY": see "API Token" in https://docs.novelai.net/en/text/usersettings/account
"TEMPERATURE": 1.0,
"TOP_K": 40,
"MAX_RESPONSE_LENGTH": 4000,
"CONTEXT_SIZE": 28000 (adjust to your Subscription Tier)

Using all the above, I got NovelAI GLM4.6 to work successfully in the VN, but it should also work with Erato, Kayra, or any other provider with OpenAI Completions support.



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