So how come this fandom never caught on with video gamers? We never seemed to have attracted any serious long-time gamedevs, unlike the artists and a few musicians(which sound worse than previous artists of Eurobeat Initial D).
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>>430667151. That thread is about organizing multiplayer gaming sessions2. You will never be a janny, faggot
>>43066712Anon, you are retarded.Do you know the difference between a videogame, music track and a picture?Videogames take 100 times more effort, require multiple people to make them AND Hasbro takes down all serious projects like Fighting is Magic or MLP: Online
>>43066769Sounds like skill issue to me. Git gud, faggot. To answer OP the real reason is that a cartoon doesn't attract gamedevs. If MLP was a video game then it would attract indie gamedevs and a fanbase for it.All of our current video games aren't played by anyone and we actually have too many MLP-themed indie video games to boot.
>>43066780I play them
>>43066780>a cartoon doesn't attract gamedevsYep, it absolutely doesn't attract them, that's why we had a whole website called mylittlegamedev.com, a websiite specifically for pony games, there are hundreds of pony Flash games (Flash was the indie gamedev engine of the time like Unity is today), several big released games and many pony mods for existing gameshttps://www.equestriagaming.net/https://arcade.equestriagaming.net/https://ponepaste.org/610
>>43066712>>42997732
>>43066838You will never be a real janitor.
>>43066780>All of our current video games aren't played by anyoneThe fandom is around 5% of its former size, there is nothing about videigames here.
>>43066804That's like saying baseball is popular in Europe because there are organizations for it in its countries and actually, thousands of people play it here. Lel. Any actual video game fandom has thousands of more fanmade video game media than cartoon ones. Your semanticism sucks.
>>43066966I don't know how you do it everytime, but you're the only flagposter with an IQ on /mlp/. All the other fags, especially the Diamond Tiara one are the lowest mongrel IQ faggots you've seen. Trying to find a smart flagposter or tripfag is like trying to find Albert Einstein in a BDSM club.
>>43067028Meanwhile >>43066978
>>43066966>Any actual video game fandom has thousands of more fanmade video game mediaSource on that? And not just mods for the game, but standalone games?
>>43067028>least obvious samefag
>>43066804Fellow MLGD oldtimer? I still have hopes to get mylittlegame.dev up and running again one of these days.
>>43067564You have a backup of the site?
>>43067587Unfortunately not. Wishdream, the furfag, always promised the site would be back, right until the domain expired. Only backup I got is what archive.org provides.
>>43067607>Wishdream, the furfag, always promised the site would be back, right until the domain expiredAround furfags never relax.
>>43067564I contacted him some time ago because I wanted to make a pony game and the archives would be useful to me, but he didn't reply anything.
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>>43066966>Any actual video game fandom has thousands of more fanmade video game mediaI would like to see some evidence here. A community producing thousands of videogames around one topic is a very tall order and should be highly infrequent.I don't, however, dispute that cartoons generally wouldn't be an attractor for video game effort, but my experience has been that the main determinant is popularity in any case.
I think overmare studios released a new video recently. They're still working on the FoE game but of course their new efforts are woke and gay. They copied some shit from the outer worlds instead of using what's actually in the fic.
>>43068026>a subtle Aryanne reference
>>43068026>They copied some shit from the outer worlds instead of using what's actually in the fic.To be quite honest, the only way they can follow the book to a T is if they heavily utilize Claude Code to shit out all the game logic for them and then more GenAI to also shit out all the assets.Otherwise I don't see them making the full FoE world in the next 10 years without a full-time team of like 50 people.
>>43068013Stop living under a rock under a cave under hell, gen-alpha.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdsN11YcGA0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABrdMkleuYYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FawVo-GSg8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyKfcK75Zwc
>>43068013Not counting unfinished deals, classic megaman has a lot of fangames and romhacks released. The more impressive ones are mm8bdm and megaman maker, i'd say.
>>43068415>>43068904Mhmm, I see.However, I really must stress that it was the claim of thousands of games being a common output of typical or even broadly popular video game fandoms that I was interested in the proof of.
>>43068415Wow, so a 30 year old video game has DOZENS of fan-made clones, half of which just reuse existing content.
>>43068950hyperbole (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hyperbole)EtymologyFrom Middle English iperbole, yperbole, from Latin hyperbolē, from Ancient Greek ὑπερβολή, from ὑπέρ ("above") + βάλλω ("I throw").Pronunciation- (RP) IPA: /haJˈpɜːbəli/- (America) IPA: /haJˈpɝbəli/Nounhyperbole 1. (uncountable, rhetoric, literature) Deliberate or unintentional overstatement, particularly extreme overstatement. Synonyms: overstatement, exaggeration, auxesis Antonyms: understatement- 1835, L[arret] Langley, “[The Seven Tropes.] Hyperbole.”, in A Manual of the Figures of Rhetoric,[…], Doncaster, South Yorkshire: […] C. White,[…], OCLC, page 12: Hyperbole soars too high, or creeps too low,Exceeds the truth, things wonderful to shew.- 1837 March 5, Nathaniel Hawthorne, “Legends of the Province House”, in Twice-Told Tales, Boston, Mass.: American Stationers Co.; John B. Russell, OCLC: The great staircase, however, may be termed, without much hyperbole, a feature of grandeur and magnificence.- 1841, J[ames] Fenimore Cooper, chapter VIII, in The Deerslayer: A Tale.[…], 1st British edition, volume III, London: Richard Bentley,[…], OCLC, page 248: "Nay, nay, good Sumach," interrupted the Deerslayer, whose love of truth was too indomitable to listen to such hyperbole, with patience […]2. (countable) An instance or example of such overstatement.- c. 1602, William Shakespeare, “The Tragedie of Troylus and Cressida”, in Mr. William Shakespeares Comedies, Histories, & Tragedies […] (First Folio), London: […] Isaac Iaggard, and Ed[ward] Blount, published 1623, OCLC, [Act I, scene iii], column 2: […] and when he ſpeakes, / 'Tis like a Chime a mending. With tearmes vnſquar' / Which from the tongue of roaring Typhon dropt, / Would ſeemes Hyperboles3. (countable, geometry, obsolete) A hyperbola.Related terms- hyperbolaTranslations (rhetorical device)- French: hyperbole- German: Hyperbel, Übertreibung- Italian: iperbole- Portuguese: hipérbole- Russian: гипépбoлa- Spanish: hipérboleThis text is extracted from the Wiktionary and it is available under the CC BY-SA 3.0 license
>>43069077The topic of conversation stands: MLP has, by my research and the other Anon's statement, hundreds of fan games made, and presumably, according to you, this is a laughably small number for a fandom compared to what video game fandoms get.Is there some general range of fan made video games, then, you might commit to arguing is common for popular video game fandoms, which is large enough to make hundreds seem *laughably* small, and small enough to make thousands seem hyperbolic?Just based on cursory research that I've done, nothing I'd put much weight behind but serviceable off-the-napkin, I've found most large fandoms are in the mid-to-upper hundreds range. Megaman is probably around 1.5x-3x more than MLP, which is pretty big, but I wouldn't go snarking at people the way you did over it. While I stand by what I said in >>43068013 it seems pretty clear that there are indeed cartoons, like MLP and Touhou, that are perfectly capable of drawing game dev interest to degrees competitive with sizable game fandoms. It's no Pokemon, but come now, re-read these posts you made and defend this ridiculous demeanor:>>43066966>>43066780>>43069077
>>43068415>12 games>All in the same genre and with extremely similar style and gameplayMLP definitely wins this fight by sthe simple virtue of having games in many different genres and styles.
>>43066712Hasbro lost their chance when they could have released a proper video game back in 2010 to tell people "Hey gamedevs are welcome, not just cartoonists"
>>43069429>MLP>Having games
>>43069432>Hasbro lost their chance when they sold an exclusive MLP license to GameloftFTFY
>>43069192Are you counting the shitty flash games from back in the day? Megaman has a shitton of these, and a lot of the romhacks are practically new games.
>>43069500>romhacksMods don't count, retard.>practically new gamesPractically new Megaman clones using Megaman assets and Megaman engine, yeah.This comparison is actually insulting to real game clones, at least they have their own engine, assets and IPs.
>>43068415Woah, that's a lot of games!Remind me, how many of them are on Steam again?
>>43069543A lot more than pony games.>>43069535Cry more, ponyfag.
>>43069535>Mods don't count, retard.>using Megaman assets and Megaman engine, yeahI'm going to let that one slide because you weren't fortunate enough to have both the magaman autism and the pony autism. The "hacks" vary in scope, they might still use some assets, true, but that's because of the source material. Check megaman cx for example. It's a completely different game, not just a level pack "mod. If this weren't a misunderstanding, and you don't believe romhacks hold any weight, despite holding gameplay value and made by their community, i say that's more of a personal issue. Or was it the way i talked about the shitty flash games that got me that reaction? There's a shit ton of megaman flash games dating back to the 2000, and i believe it would still have atleast twice as more flash games than fim if you were to disregard all the demos and unfinished games while considering them for the ponies.
>>43069535>Mods don't count, retard.I agree So we'll be removing Castlevania the pony mod, and the EoW ponymod
>>43068950>However, I really must stress that it was the claim of thousands of gamesI said "fanmade video game media" precisely - intentionally that precice. This includes rom hacks and since rom hacks don't magically appear out of nowhere they need a developer. The original argument was about which type of fandom would attract more gamedevs, and I don't see why people making rom hacks shouldn't be considered that. (Thinking back to the other Anon bringing up Mega Man, that would practically be like saying the team behind the dozens of classic Mega Man sequels should not be considered gamedevs since they are all asset swaps of the first NES one.) >>43066804 who I responded to implies that he even counts modders as gamedevs so why wouldn't I argue with him on the same basis! So yes, video game fandoms do attract a ton more gamedevs than pony ever could; partially because of the bar of entry being much lower.Also, how many pony mods are there for Minecraft? I think I searched for them some time ago on Forge and it was like, what, ten maybe? xD>Inb4 elitism of what counts as a gamedevI say, if you don't code your own engine for your game, you are not a gamedev. Who says I'm wrong? I think Notch once said as much! (Kind of.)
>>43069579>A lot more than pony gamesCan you give me a single link?
>>43069642>So we'll be removing Castlevania the pony mod, and the EoW ponymodThis doesn't change much for the pony game list, though.
>>43069696>I say, if you don't code your own engine for your game, you are not a gamedev.If you judge by this basis, MLP has games using the game engines written by their devs, so it wins again.
>>43069815You DO know even the flashpony shit was just clone skins and mods of actual games right?
>>43069866This claim definitely needs sources.
>video game fandoms have THOUSANDS of fan games!>but not really all fandoms, only some big game franchises>and not really thousands>and not really games, but modsThe goalpost moving ITT is so next tier that it's even amusing.
>>43069885Yeah autistic bronies like you are hypocritical as shit when you move the goalposts while thinking nobody will call you out for it. Stubborn sperg.
Ignoring the count autism, there's no cartoon games anymore period. The only cartoon games I've even heard about in recent years is mobile app games, even for recent big name cartoons like loud house and owl house. And hasbro wouldn't have done it either even when g4 was big back in the day. Cartoon games like t.v, and movie games started to die off hard back in the 10s, so why make a mlp vyida game when it's just going to fail anyways.
>>43069944>n-no, my mods are hecking cute and valid games!Shut up, retard.
>>43069965>there's no cartoon games anymore periodOne of them was literally a highlight of the recent Steam Horse Fest.https://steamdb.info/app/3224770/charts/
>>430667692010s Hasbro being copyright threat-happy is the real answer.However, right now there are some freeware games on Steam involving canonical characters from the show, and Hasbro hasn't touched them for a while. Maybe it's because they're free, maybe it's because they're obscure, but I'm kinda hopeful the failure of G% and the passage of time made Hasbro less anal about tracking down fanworks.
>>43070317What cartoon is it based on?
>>43070325https://anime-umamusume.jp/It's MLP for gen Alpha.
>>43070321What I don't understand is if Hasbro's so strapped for money, why don't they just let creators use their IP in exchange for monetization? They wouldn't have to officially license it, or do anything where they're putting their own brand on it, they would just agree to let the creator make the game in exchange for a portion of whatever profits it earns. The creator makes the game, Hasbro gives its blessing to use the characters. In return, the creator puts a disclaimer on it that says "MLP is owned by Hasbro, this is not a Hasbro product, Hasbro does not endorse the content of the game" or something to that effect, and gives Hasbro an agreed-upon percentage of whatever the game earns. There's no reputational risk; the company overtly distances itself from the finished product and the creator acknowledges that he didn't create the IP. Meanwhile, Hasbro gets free money with zero investment or risk. Hasbro doesn't spend anything to create the game. If the game is successful, Hasbro gets free money just for allowing use of their characters. If the game fails, the creator takes the loss and Hasbro loses nothing. Meanwhile the creator still gets to earn money making a fangame, with no risk of being sued or hit with a takedown request. Everyone wins.
>>43070357Because most of them are out-of-touch boomers (also maybe they're afraid of being associated with the evil psycho school shooter pedophile cult of bronies who are totally going to put hidden child porn in their fanworks)
>>43069837Wins what? There's a lot of fan custom engines out there. Check doom source ports and quake forks. Many source ports and forks were designed and modified for a single game (exemple: srb2). Existing engines can also be used to make games, of course. Doom has atleast 40k wads and most of them are decent campaigns or other gamemodes that play like a new doom game or a missionpack. There are also total conversion mods that changes literally everything in the game.
>>43070311Well, since you don't consider the mods games, and wants to prove your point, how about you making a list of all the mlp games? This shouldn't be hard for you, right?
>>43069885Are you counting all the brony games as mlpfim Fangames?
>>43070385If you didn't wash your eyes with semen you would be able to see the list in the thread already. Mods and romhacks are listed at the very end, everything else is a standalone game. https://ponepaste.org/610It doesn't feature ALL of the games, of course, for that one needs to search EquestriaGaming and non-English forums such as Tabun.
>>43070431I really love how Megafag shat his pants trying to prove that there are no pony games and that romhack making is a totally real gamedev, and then I open this list and see>Megapony>"Megaman-inspired platformer", NOT a ROM hack.
>>43070357Because Hasbro is in the business of selling TOYS to KIDS (their parents).No amount of fan videogames or art or animations would increase their marketshare.No, bronies were never a large market, compared to the number of little girls in the world.
>>43070479Shat my pants? my point was that romhacks still has value even if they use the game assets. I don't understand why you don't consider these cases, as in the megaman community the romhacks are as respected as the fangames, but i beliese they have made a few custom engines if that's what you are using for comparison. Most fangames use existing game engines and gamedev environments.
>>43070431I already knew about the list. There's a few issues: Some of these games are in the pony artstyle but not a fan-game. And like you said, it's missing a lot of games. That's why i expect you to compile a list yourself. Unless that's too much work for you.
>>43070505The point is that just making a platformer game clone of a platformer game is way easier that adapting MLP into a video game.
>>43070505Also, that's a very short list...
>>43070508Can you define "game clone"? Romhacks can be much more than just asset swaps. Megaman CX, a megaman 2 nes romhack for example only has original levels and new bosses, it even implements the yoshi's story final boss battle into the hack. I believe you don't know much about romhacks in general.
>>43070501>No amount of fan videogames or art or animations would increase their marketshare???Videogames are the direct competition to physical toys, it is a completely logical step to introduce videogames as the digital alternative.
>>43066780The real faggot is you. You simply refuse or avoid to understand that brands aren't like your favorite OC from the literally who xitter artis that you can take and make contents by simply giving them credits.Companies have to defend their assets that makes them income. They have to decide how if and when their product can be used. This is literally why copyright exist in order to prevent others from stealing and make abuse of others products. You simply cannot make use of other brands and IPs and expect that simply giving credits is enough also because nobody actually makes contents for free and of course you cannot make income out of other companies established IPs.
>>43070511>Can you define "game clone"?A "game clone" is a video game or game series that is very similar to or heavily inspired by a previous popular game or game series.So Megapony can be considered a "clone" of Megaman because it features many mechanics from Megaman and similar art style.Romhacks that you mention are not even game clones because they are not standalone games in the first place.They are modifications of existing games which are called "mods".
>>43070513>Videogames are the direct competition to physical toys, it is a completely logical step to introduce videogames as the digital alternative.Ok, Chris Cocks.
>>43070317>anime>cartoonSince you want to be a cocksock about it, horse anime didn't start as a anime, it started as a game back in 2017. Also horse anime isn't based off of any anime or cartoon, it's based off of real life horses and their races. And lastly, we're talking WESTERN cartoons, which is why every in the thread but your dumbass is saying cartoons and not anime.
>>43070524Chris Cocks is completely right about that, though.FiM would be in much better shape if Hasbro launched pony games on Steam and consoles around 2012 when vidya entered mainstream, and maybe Twilicorn and EQG would not exist
>>43070530>WESTERNSorry, could not care less about your Jewed countries.Enjoy your gay nigger vidya while I enjoy my vidya about cartoon horse girls.
>>43070522>very similar to or heavily inspired by a previous popular game or game series.Cool. That doesn't invalidates the devtime that went into the game. Most of the "doom clones" are great games for example. Also, most of the "mlp" fangames are based on other games. Fighting is magic was obviously inspired by guilty gear for example.>They are modifications of existing games which are called "mods".Mods aren't standalone but they can be completely different games using the original game framework. In fact, this is how many popular games started: as a mod of a game. Some of these mods were made standalone, others not. Total Chaos is a mod that completely changes the game and is currently being remade as a standalone game. Does it invalidate the work that went into the mod? It's a game, just not a standalone one.I don't know if you are just removing romhacks from the equation from pure categorization autism or just don't see that the community still made game design for the romhacks which implies effort went into gamedev, but since you're so dead set on fan-games, here's a list of fan-games i found by 5 seconds of search-fu. Note that the list doesn't include all the fan-games (seems to be missing mm8bdm for example). Read the first page in the doc.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mqGC81HvOnHsDIJSzh68LSp3tfGladQlSVLjqBzVjC8If you can compile a list of "mlp" fan-games i will take my time to compile a megaman list just for (You).
>>43070357>why don't they just let creators use their IP in exchange for monetization?Steam does not have such mechanism, unlike YouTube.
>>43070586>>why don't they just let creators use their IP in exchange for monetization?>Steam does not have such mechanism, unlike YouTube.Uhh, Anon, licensing exists and is successfully practiced by Games Workshop and Disney.In fact Hasbro also did that, but they sold an EXCLUSIVE license to a shitty Gameloft company, so Hasbro could not license FiM to any other game dev.
>>43070594"License" implies "control". Remember numerous issues Seven Seas faced? Hasbro didn't let them do s02-era manga in peace, they acted like they funded the whole thing (they didn't), and ordered authors around like they're their employees (they weren't).
>>43070604>"License" implies "control".Yes, but so does monetization.If "Banned From Equestria" or "Friendship with Benefits" are officially recognized by Hasbro it might become a huge damage for the brand.So they would have strict rules for the games to be monetized.
>>43070520God bronies are such stubborn delusional retards. Is this autism or just Dunning Kruger syndrome from a childhood of always being told they're wrong, ugly, dumb and weirdos? and now they're making up for it by being anonymous "adults"?It seriously feels like arguing with my little brother before I smack him in the head and he finally shuts up. Except my little brother never argued in favor of a company like some unholy communist-capitalist.How do you have enough IQ points to solve the captcha?
>>43066712Hey how come those 3D models never got used in G-Mod/SFMmaker? aren't they compatible?
>>43068415>look at these fan-games centered around, uh, other games!yeah no shit. the absolute definition of comparing apples to oranges
>>43070721>Except my little brother never argued in favor of a company like some unholy communist-capitalist.Go back to Xitter, or rather bluesky in your faggot case.
>>43071157Go back to being groomed on Discord.
>>43066712Because every time the fandom tried to make something worth playing, Hasbro sent a Cease & Desist to them.
>>43071354>14 years old copy-pasta reasonFighting Is Magic wasn't that good.
>>43071745Bait.
>>43071846Facts. Fighting Is Magic was bad and should have followed the Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter mechanics, not Blazblue's garbage. But weeaboos gonna weeaboo.
>>43071899>Fighting Is Magic was badFighting Is Magic had objectively superior network code and that was noticed by the players on EVO 2012.
>>43072456No it didn't, it lagged like shit on the leak release.A random brony signed up the game for EVO 2012 without the mane6 knowing which resulted in Hasbro's lawyers being obligated to go after it because the retards at EVO didn't specify it isn't Hasbro's product.
>>43071117>Hey how come those 3D models never got used in G-Mod/SFMmaker? aren't they compatible?Legends of Equestria is not open-source, IIRC.
So, nobody in this thread ever played Day Dreaming Derpy. Okay.
