Dvorak editionhttps://youtu.be/gw4IORh4kZgHow do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>122418700
>>122433493I'll give it a listen. I really like Petrenko's though, and his recording of the Symphonic Dances was the first time I ever actually really enjoyed them.
>LET ME GOON TO MAHLER IN MY SOUND CAVE YOU MEANIES
so this is how tranime rots your brain
>>122433501Dvorak is so cute. Like a little frog man
W.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1zw7rZ3gRA
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htMp9-_7IJ4&list=OLAK5uy_lpGt0K2s1m5QDxTvy9yKny3EubvkfezKQ&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lpGt0K2s1m5QDxTvy9yKny3EubvkfezKQ
Savall is based
>>122434776That version of Symphonie fantastique is very good. My favourite is Paul Paray with Detroit.
>>122434311We love that atonal composer here, his glossy textures never fail to disappoint! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw2jZSl9qfE
Blasting some Bartok. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QElT9KD4uX8
The cycle begins in the depths of the Rhine river and also in the depths of the human psyche. It is clear that the meaning of what we witness on the stage is contained also in the music. The sustained meditation on the tonal triad, representing the swirling waters in the depths, is also an invocation of the natural order—the order from which we humans have, both to our loss and our gain, departed. In the Ring tonal harmony is the sound of Eden: pure, unsullied, guiltless. As the cycle develops, dissonance, chromaticism and melodies full of tragic tension replace the pure triads and pentatonic tunes of this supremely beautiful opening. But the pure harmonies and melodies sound always in the background, constantly reminding us of the home that we have lost, and which could never have satisfied us in any case.
>>122435315What do you think of the one by Colin Davis?It's the only one I've heard but I thought it was boring.
>>122435315I really liked it! First time listening to it. I actually played it off the Sony "Munch Conducts Berlioz" set and after I listened to it been listening to "La Damnation de Faust, op. 24" and about to start up his similarly highly acclaimed recording of Berlioz's Requiem right now.
>>122436371that’s because it is. i have no idea why it’s so popular
Shieeeeet Dvorak was a brotha? Outta sight man
>>122435555>>122436157fuck off back to /metal/ hector
>>122435555>>122436157stay here on /classical/ anon
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZaal42FguI&list=OLAK5uy_mINqmfmF1Gq9zMC69uZS9jf_MGb4E3u4U&index=93https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mINqmfmF1Gq9zMC69uZS9jf_MGb4E3u4ULeading into it with the exquisite and whimsical Roman Carnival Overture, op. 9.https://youtube.com/watch?v=xz9Vz3roSB4
>>122436371It's not the worst version I've heard, but Davis has done much better Berlioz. And yes Munch is excellent in this repertoire.
/classical/ hector edition
farthoven
Reminder that we shun RYM composers here.
>>122437697Other composers to be shunned
Now Playing - Handel: Violin Sonatashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDC24nJ8SQo&list=OLAK5uy_l0trWrPUSt5X8ZSJuXIN8LyUTfCqaO-10&index=14
>>122437782True, Reger was better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLzJv3frTk
>>122437877I didn't post Beethoven though?
>>122437887Bach is an RYM composer
>>122437917Not sure what this has to do with Reger?
>>122437917Bach is an atonal composer.
>>122437948Reger is also a RYM composer
>>122438002>in my mind, it was realNGMI Iass.
>>122437697>>122437859>>122437887>>122437948>>122438019go back to /metal/ hector
>>122437697>>122437859>>122437887 >>122437948 >>122438019 stay here on /classical/ anon
>>122438019Yeah go back to RYM hector
>>122438119I don't enjoy Beethoven and Steve Reich enough to go on RYM, Iass.
>>122438150time to go back to /metal/, hector
>>122438150not sure what this has to do with /classical/ hector perhaps you' should try RYM?
>>122438150time to stay here on /classical/ anon as I'm not sure what this has to do with RYM, perhaps you should try 4chan?
Man, choral music really is the peak of all art music, huh? Putting the marvelous quality of the works themselves aside, it seems virtually every composer regarded one of their choral pieces to be their finest work, often the culmination of their creative pursuits and artistic vision, and of course immediate, stalwart link with the divine, and finally the inherent and unparalleled beauty of the human voice to the listener's ear.
>>122438192Based
Now Playing - Haydn, Schumann, Brahms & Smetana: Chamber Workshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmbZoPARBeo&list=OLAK5uy_lfFYKZ6sExwc7YAuOeesqrPwefROVGABU&index=9
What's a good hipster answer to "Who's your favorite opera composer?"
>>122439054Wagner
>>122439054Verdi
>>122439054Debussy
>>122439305>>122439545>>122439580You guys don't know what hipster means huh
now playing (string quartet no. 2)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdfO55lJTKA&list=OLAK5uy_n8-YOD-VRrjF7-u0QLZD0b-GuY0mp4uyQ&index=3https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n8-YOD-VRrjF7-u0QLZD0b-GuY0mp4uyQ
>>122439710A perfect work.
>>122439710fuck, string sextet no. 2*
>>122439714I'm not as well-acquainted with them as I am the string quartets or piano and clarinet quintets, but I'm always enjoyed them both whenever I've listened to them the couple times I have. So far so great!
What's the most sentimental, heart-string tugging, beautiful piano work/cycle? Chopin's Etudes or Ballades? Rach's Preludes or Etudes? Scriabin's Preludes? Mendelssohn's Songs Without Words? Something by Faure or Liszt?
>>122439797Brahms' late piano works.
>>122439805I've tried a few recordings and while I really like them, I never felt much emotion from them. Perhaps I'll give them another try tonight. Was gonna go with Liszt's Transcendental Etudes (Trifonov) but I'll try op. 117-119 first. Thanks.
>>122439601all me btw
now playing(starts off with op. 116):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPiCpOiSgCo&list=OLAK5uy_lu196aHRd-1bIQhexaBHrLWSgHA_LjEOo&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lu196aHRd-1bIQhexaBHrLWSgHA_LjEOo
Gonna try asking one more time: any other works like Brahms' Hungarian Dances (orchestral version)? Aside from Dvorak's inferior attempt of his own with the Slavonic Dances, although I intend to give one more recording a try. I've found Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet to scratch a similar itch. Any others you guys can recommend?
>>122439805This just means the intermezzo and ignore everything else.
>>122439974Bartok's Hungarian Dances
>>122440197ah yes, the intermezzo. all 13 of them in spread out across all 4 opus numbers, and for some reason not the g minor ballade or the e flat major rhapsody.
>>122439797harpsichord music mogs (((piano))) music
>>122439797all pale in comparison to the brilliance of the op 109, 110, and 111 piano sonatas
>>122441390>109, 110, 111Pales in comparison to 27, 13 and 57
>>122439797D.960
>>122441636no one believes this, not even you.
>>122442087I do. Simplicity is the final achievement.
>>122442096bait used to be believable
>>122436157i like the wooden prince. I hate how underplayed bartok is.
Why is gustav mahlers music so perfect it makes me want to go outside and demolish every single twink on this planet while the finale to his 3rd plays. I just want too get freaky to his music it makes me feel some sort of way that the average man just cant understands.
>>122442932least closeted mahler fan
Ivan Wyschnegradsky - Ainsi parlait ZarathoustraBoth Ravel and Messiaen were fans of his, the French do reign supreme after all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FPeVSWBBIo>>122442948Not really closeted at that point is it.
>>122443021no one is falling for this one hector
>>122443037Falling for what? Messiaen attended his concerts and gave them praise, there are letters about Wyschnegradsky written by Ravel. Mindbroken by microtonality.
>>122443066>>122443021stay here on /classical/ anon
>>122443066go back to /metal/ insufferable faggot
>>122443066never leave /classical/ lovable straight man
if you don't listen to masses with the proper liturgy sections between each movement you're doing it wrongKyrie, Gloria, Oratio/Collecta, Epistola, Graduale, Alleluia, Sequentia, Evangelium, Credo, Offertorium, Prefatio, Sanctus, Pater Noster, Agnus Deifor requiem masses:Introitus, Kyrie, Oratio/Collecta, Epistola, Graduale, Tractus, Sequentia, Evangelium Offertorium, Prefatio, Sanctus, Pater Noster, Agnus Dei, Communio
>>122443021Hector this sounds like they’re playing out of tune pianos
>>122443337>out of tuneMicrotonality kills the soccer mothers and RYM sisters.
>>122443342Yes hector that’s what it is. It kills those with functioning ear drums as well
>>122443342post about your micropenis on /metal/ instead hector
>>122443362The best part of microtonality is knowing that the masses are literally incapable of breaking out of the 12 tet box despite half the known world using different tunings. The ants keep marching following the other ant in the line, each one knows not where he goes, he simply follows the directions he was told! He loves familiarity, the unknown is fear - and he hates it!
>>122443384That box is there for a reason hector
>>122443384i've listened to quite a bit of this stuff and i'm not convinced. mildly interesting, but no more than that. hardly the revolution in music its proponents are selling it as
>>122443384no, we’re just not interested in your micropenis, hector. go back to /metal/.
>>122443404Yet there are so many boxes all across the world, it's just the masses for some reason always prefer the one they grow up with, funny how that works! HAH>>122443406Neither am I convinced by 12 tet, mildly interesting, but no more than that.
>>122443423no one will ever prefer your micropenis, hector. go back to /metal/.
>>122443423>>122443384>>122443342everyone prefers your megacock, anon. stay here on /classical/
>>122443423Well hector radical liberation is the devil’s theology.
>>122443449Shut up hector apologist
>>122443463don’t reply to him
>>122443449Keep talking anon critic
waking up to Durufle's Requiemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFgHLXa9aw&list=OLAK5uy_my1AoTQhqLI6SgA9O9ap7UM6mUzUubXso&index=19https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_my1AoTQhqLI6SgA9O9ap7UM6mUzUubXso
>>122443453>[thing I don't like] is da devil!
In the mood for Beethoven 9th.
>>122443493Thank you RYM sister.
>>122443498You're welcome RYMsister
>>122443513Anytime RYM sister.
>>122443526Cheers RYMsister
>>122443526>>122443498>>122443491its time to stay here anon
Going to be honest Mozart seemed like a bit of a dickhead
>>122443568>t. has no sense of humor
is counterpoint just rhythmic motifs or does a part have to repeat unchanged for it to be counterpoint?
>>122443819Counterpoint in the broadest definition is simply a number of melodies that complement eachother playing simultaneously.
>>122443902Oh. I thought it was layering different parts of the same melody.
Official list of decent - good composers (if you think of a popular composer who didn't end up here, chances are they are shit):>Machaut, Dufay, Ockeghem, Brumel, Marenzio, Josquin, Gesualdo, Sheppard, Monteverdi, Buxtehude, Vivaldi, Handel, Bach, Haydn, Pergolesi, Krauss, Mozart, Schubert, Beethoven, Rossini, Wagner, Brahms, Liszt, Strauss, Mahler, Dvorak, Chopin, Debussy, Ravel, Rimsky-Korsakov, Shostakovich, Faure, Varese, Hindeminth, Pfitzner, Scriabin, Grieg, Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Szymanowski, Stravinsky, Villa-Lobos, and Busoni.
>>122443938laughably absurd
>>122443924That is fugue
>>122443963Ok. Thanks! So does a fugue have to repeat the segments unchanged, or can the tones change?
>>122443498>>122443526time to fuck off back to /metal/ hector>>122443992a fundamental aspect of fugue is that the subject is first enters in the tonic and is then followed by an answer in a second voice, which is just the subject but in the dominant (or sometimes subdominant).
>>122444150>time to fuck off back to /metal/ hectorWe don't want him either.
>>122444290Can we get an exchange program going? We'll trade your Hector for the Sisterposter.
>>122444290you guys deserve him
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANXr94PA5k&list=OLAK5uy_mmGf8q66nxRjnL4F7Kh2OvEvRith2p5yE&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mmGf8q66nxRjnL4F7Kh2OvEvRith2p5yEWould be curious for your thoughts on it, autistsister, here's the Credo:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt-4vYEqwYo&list=OLAK5uy_mmGf8q66nxRjnL4F7Kh2OvEvRith2p5yE&index=4
there isn't much reason to listen to classical when metal exists
>>122444455How about you keep Hector and we’ll throw in the sisterposter for free
>>122445063Exact opposite
>>122445063Maybe if you like virtuoso slop and dissonance
>>122445317>>122444455gg/ here. We'll take Hector and Sisterposter if you take the Gibson schizo
>>122445400How would he fit in here? We only have acoustic guitars in our music. At least Hector can talk about Barton's bloody concerto.
>>122445345So you don't like metal or classical
>>122445423Bartok's
>>122445423>fit inIt's not about guitars. It's about shitting up threads.
>>122445400Well I’ve no idea who that is but I’m sure he’s a nice young man
He was never useful in any general when you think about it. In /metal/ he spams garbage no one but 1 or 2 anons cares about, now one might think he realized metal is garbage and moved to a better place, but here he does the same shit he did in /metal/ and apparently some /v/ generals. He rarely discusses music, derailing discussions instead, is obsessivelly tripfagging without a trip(what's even the point of an anonymous board), never admits he's wrong(what's point of discussion/arguing if you refuse to learn and understand someone else?) and rarely posts new music. More than 3/4 of his posts are not about recs/discussion of music but rather his shitty 'controversial' opinions.His IQ is presumably double digit, it's also evident from his taste and dunning kruger effect.
>>122446050He is loved here
>>122446050>Moved from /metal/ to /classical/ It’s like moving to India in search of a better life
>>122446071Nah. It's like moving FROM India in search of a better life. But the fact of the matter is, the India in you will never leave. You are forever Indian.
>>122440344I'll give those a try, thanks. Any suggested recording?>>122441234Not emotionally. If anything its antiquated sound results in a kind of novelty experience that creates distance between the listener and the music, which effectively alienates or at least stifles emotional resonance.>>122441390I love those piano sonatas but their appeal to me is more of an aesthetic awe in the musical craft and sublime beauty. I never really get any kind of internal swirling romantic emotions and erotic passion from virtually any of Beethoven's works, really. Or to put it another way, Beethoven doesn't tug at the human heartstrings (outside of maybe like Moonlight and Appassionata and Les Adieux, probably missing a couple others), poking and prodding at the chambers of the heart to playfully and pleasurably summoning out deliberate multitudes of emotions hidden within, but rather his music speaks to the intellect of aesthetic appreciation and the soul desperately yearning for a glimpse of the divine, the spiritually transcendent, hence the mastery of form and melody in his music as well as the revelation of God and Truth made manifest and available for experience through the beauty of his works.But there isn't much of the everyday emotions of people.>>122442016That is indeed a good one. Really need to go through his other piano sonatas, I've only listened to a handful of the late ones and they were all at minimum excellent, and some masterpieces.
>>122444939Great recording btw. Not definitive, and it is lacking a certain romantic and spiritual foundation you find in the old great recordings by the masters of the previous generations and era, but for a recording made in 2012 it's as good as one could hope for.
Elgarhttps://youtu.be/hDLX9R_ASgM
>>122446155>any kind of internal swirling romantic emotions and erotic passion>outside of maybe like Moonlight and Appassionata and Les Adieux,Based and redpilled. Pathetique also, among his greatest works.I say this as someone who can also appreciate his late sonatas, Hammerklavier esepcially, is excellent.
>>122446212Right, exactly, Hammerklavier is a masterpiece, and while it does wonders for my auditory intellectual aesthetic sense -- the form and structure and melodies and ideas are stunning, exciting, and elegant -- and lifts my soul as it imbibes itself from the music as it traverses a spiritual journey through its sensational and immense architecture, it does nothing for me emotionally.
I decided to keep Gilels Sonata cycle on my harddrive(thanks for anon who rec'd), both recording and playing are wonderful and best I've listened to desu. The three that are missing in the collection I'm still think about, Kovacevich seems fine but I'm not particulary fond of it.
>>122446304It's not very emotional, someone like Rach is definitely leagues above in that regard, but I wouldn't say it has no emotion at all. The pianissimo moments are usually somewhat emotional, but yes it doesn't 'flow as smoothly' so to speak
If Brahm's first symphony is Beethoven's 10th, what Sonata is Beethoven's 33rd?
>>122446155> I never really get any kind of internal swirling romantic emotions and erotic passion from virtually any of Beethoven's works, really. solution: stop jerking off so much
>>122446549Stop coping
now playing (Kovacevich's Beethoven Piano Sonata no. 29, "Hammerklavier")start of it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ig_WKpZW4Y&list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c&index=96https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nw7N6BAkN4FH8YXmotmx040VoLsCXXp5c>>122446324Happy to help! The Gilels set of the cycle is an essential part of anyone's collection, any collection in need of Beethoven piano sonata recordings.Kovacevich's Beethoven took a while to grow on me because relative to the older masters I was so used to, his more contemporary approach comes off quite idiosyncratic but don't worry, he isn't one of the virtuosos which populate the current landscape like weeds, he plays with a poet's touch, just vary stylized and emphasized dynamics. I'd say listen to the old masters first and then come back to Kovacevich's and it'll be like discovering Beethoven's cycle for the very first time again. It won't replace the others, of course, but it makes for a nice supplement.The old masters I'd personally recommend, in addition to the Gilels, are Backhaus (the first recordings I fell in love with so I will endlessly defend him), Kempff, and Schnabel. Some other big ones are Arrau, Brendel, Richter, Ashkenazy, Pollini, and Schiff. I've also been recommended Solomon and Grinberg here but haven't yet gotten around to them even though I did add them.Enjoy your journey of discovery! If I could only have one, it'd be either Gilels or Backhaus, who each play it quite differently.
>>122446304a): the hammerklavier is possibly the coolest beethoven sonata emotionally, in spite of the untold oceans of ink that have been spilt regarding it. b): if that slow movement is not the most tragic, grief stricken piece in the entirety of beethoven’s oeuvre and, indeed, the whole classical era, your brain and your soul are not in enough connection to appreciate the late works. >>122446390brahms’ 1st isn’t beethoven’s 10th. brahms’ 1st is a loose imitation of the 9th, whereas had beethoven lived to write a 10th symphony, he would have created a synthesis between orchestral music and the formal and dramatic styles of the late string quartets, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. the likes of the heiliger dankgesang or the muss es sein represent a portal to a new world, one whose keyholder woefully passed before we saw more than a fraction of a glimpse of it. >>122446565your brain is fried.
>>122446605Funnily enough, as soon as I started reading your "b)" the movement began playing lol. And hey, in my defense, back when I was predominantly listening to piano music all day I was much, much more of a classical music novice than I even am now, so we'll see how I interpret and feel it now!
>>122446198nice
>>122446605>he would have created a synthesis between orchestral music and the formal and dramatic styles of the late string quartetsFuck I'd die to hear his 10th if that's the case>your brain is fried.No, it's fine.
>he uses sonatas to emotionally jerk himself offyikes
I just jerked off to Pathetique whilst crying
Favorite or suggested Bach St John's Passion? I'm thinking Richter, Jochum, or Munchinger on the traditional side (Karajan didn't make one?) and then Herreweghe, Suzuki, Rene Jacobs, and Cleobury on the other HIP side. I kinda wanna give some of the HIPs a go since I've predominantly been listening to recordings from the former, which I generally love. I'm leaning toward Suzuki, Cleobury, or Herreweghe. Any thoughts and other suggestions welcome!
>he doesn't use arias to emotionally jerk himself offoof
>>122446920Which Aria should I use to emotionally jerk myself off? Help out a horny anon
>>122446738more interesting than the 10th were beethoven’s plans for an oratorio on the ancient modes. few people realize just how radical beethoven’s approach to modal harmony is because it only occurs for a scant few minutes in his hours of music (the heiliger dankgesang and portions of the credo), but to beethoven, this single development was noteworthy enough to warrant an entire stylistic development around it, of no lesser importance than the missa solemnis or op. 131. it is not an exaggeration to say that beethoven’s unrealized plans at the end of his life are beyond the imagination of any person alive, and that the late quartets, missa solemnis and op. 126 bagatelles only give us a glimpse at what could have been.
>>122446965You had me hard at "Beethoven" and "oratorio." I would sacrifice millions of people worldwide at the press of a button if it meant that work would have been completed and blessed upon the rest of us.
>>122446965Interesting. I never understood why modal harmony was abandoned after renaissance. Yet it appears in Missa Solemnis out of nowhere.
>>122446904That's pathetique
literally sounds like he's about to have a handsfree orgasm writing purple prose about a shitty ersatz chopin lmao
>>122447033but no one is talking about rachmaninoff
Rachmaninoff is my emotional orgasm. Next to Chopin, of course.
>>122447019>Yet it appears in Missa Solemnis out of nowhere.because how better to illustrate the mystery of the incarnation and resurrection?
omg muh counterpoint muh bog i did the face when i heard the bass line returning muh counterpoint!!!!
>>122446912So, just doing a quick comparison between the recordings with the second movement, the "Jesus ging mit seinen Jungern" (Recitative and Chorus), which is the part that should immediately grabs any listeners attention and trap them in the clutches of the music's allure until it's over, the Richter and Jochum were excellent, the Suzuki really bad, the Herreweghe whatever, and the Cleobury and Jacobs solid.
If you can't improvise in Classical music, your opinions concerning quality of music are quite irrelevant and mostly invalid. I can't improvise currently, but it's what every self-resepcting person should be practicing.
>>122447214>epic orchestral battles
now playing (Berlioz's "L'enfance du Christ" [Munch/BSO])https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXAk6JjaN3s&list=OLAK5uy_mINqmfmF1Gq9zMC69uZS9jf_MGb4E3u4U&index=69https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mINqmfmF1Gq9zMC69uZS9jf_MGb4E3u4UAbsolutely loving this "Munch Conducts Berlioz' set released by Sony! Highly recommended to all.
>>122447295here's the cover of the set. Check it out! The Requiem and Symphonie Fantasique have both been astounding, and La Damnation of Faust very good.
>>122447231It's funny to think that during the Baroque and Classical era, improvisation was required for all musicians, now most conservatories don't even teach it. Virtuosity is more common than ever on the other hand. A sad state of culture.
>>122447333it’s only a reflection of the repertoire that musicians have to learn in order to stay relevant and have some modicum of popular appeal. if you dislike the current state of affairs, blame virtuososlop.
going for a walk, so now playing since it's sunny (violin sonata no. 5, 'Spring')https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybmubh67HkI&list=OLAK5uy_lkMJg0bQuHlDIq3J1hM_OjKGyqAR5q9ls&index=13https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lkMJg0bQuHlDIq3J1hM_OjKGyqAR5q9lsSounds excellent to me thus far, highly recommended to all anons! Might have to go through the entire cycle on this set soon, been a while since I've listened to these works.
>>122446912https://youtu.be/fF0_EPzcE_I?t=429
>>122447781do HIPsters actually
>>122433501https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onTQERZOEZ4more like this
>>122447892A historically informed performance recreates the piece as the composer would've envisioned it.
>>122447973laughably naive
>>122447973Looks like you are not terminally online here.
>>122447984polaris perogie
>>122448009nonsense as always
>>122447973The composer would've prefered today's standard no doubts, although it can be interesting to hear how they would've heard it at the time nonetheless.
>>122446155>its antiquated sound results in a kind of novelty experience that creates distance between the listener and the music, which effectively alienates or at least stifles emotional resonancethis doesn't happen to anyone who actually listens to classical
>>122446912Gönnenwein for tradRudolf Lutz for HIPtrust me on this
>>122448257I'm not saying a recording as to be audiophile quality, but if you genuinely don't believe the sound quality can be so poor as to become a distraction from enjoying the music properly you're kidding yourself.>>122448261hmm ok, thank you.
>>122448257do hisstards actually
>>122448272Harpsichords don't have poorer sound quality than pianos.
>>122448290>>122448272who the hell is talking about hiss we are talking about harpsichord vs piano here. There are plenty of crystal clear harpsichord recordings and the anon mean the harpsichord sounds "antiquated", not that the recordings are old and hissy
>>122448272>>122448295O whoops, sorry I thought your reply was to a different post I made earlier on a different subject, my bad. Yes, to people who are not used to the harpsichord, its sound in a recording can indeed be distracting enough to take one out of seamless, direct enjoyment of the work.
>>122448261alright anon, added all of these solely based on your recommendation, i hope my trust isn't misplaced!
>>122448335its okay if you don't like them Ill just kill myself
Brahms and Clara Schumann/Robert Schumann story is so sad and heartwarming at the same time
>>122449078QRD?
>>122448418It's not even your own music. Geeze man
>>122449117https://thetso.org/blog/love-triangle
>>122449163She is so mid. The game was rigged from the start.
>>122449078>so sad and heartwarmingIt's more pathetic. Imagine hanging around a heartless cunt like Clara Schumann for 40 years because you're in love with her and then grow so bitter over the whole (failed) affair that you then start lashing out and insulting her towards the end of your life.
>>122449200>then start lashing out and insulting her towards the end of your life.This never happened.You can't blame Clara she was much older and had 7 children.
For me, its Penderecki. Always a good laugh that he and Messiaen are so Christian and yet the only perceptions of their music by the wider public would be a satanist or at least atheist of some sort.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNlI16lhYIAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYnXKtp5fqk>>122446050>rarely posts new musicOf all the nonsense accusations, this was was by far the most false. Every single new year I collected new releases and posted them so much that people just assume any random person posting them was also the same. In fact I even have a list for this year. Just pure asshurt stemming from me shitting on your disneycore nonsense. I mean really, why even bother listening to metal if you are going to listen to "i'm a little teapot" melodies, the only niche the genre has is anger and aggression. The formulation of riff-based music is basically just an idiotic form of minimalism at best, and would be better to be removed from metal altogether. Although composers such as Adam Kalmbach know to think vertically and at least add additional polyphony through canons, production, and polyrhythm with shifting tempo that intersect with each other. Regardless the main goal of metal is agression, anger, katharsis, etc. Consonant metal is a failure by design and holds no use that soccer mom classical doesn't fulfill 20 fold.
>>122449831stay here on /classical/ anon
>>122449831Not sure what this has to do with /metal/, maybe try /classical/ instead?
>>122449831So this is what has become of /classical/
>>122449831the king of /classical/
>>122449831time to go back to /metal/ hector
what even attracts /metal/ refugees to /classical/metal is braindead even by the nonexistent standards of guitar music
Sorry for posting about it again but I'm really loving this Munch Conducts Berlioz set. Everything I've listened to off of it has been excellent, currently playing Romeo et Juliette, op. 17 and it's amazing. Anything else from Berlioz not on this set or other recordings I should check out? Aside from Shaw's rendition of the Requiem.
>>122450071Don't think he ever recorded the Symphonie funèbre et triomphale which is fantastic. Try Dondeyne or Davis for recordings.
>>122449131how would you know?
>>122450071>>122450144All of Berlioz's music sucks. He literally inaugurated firetruck music
>>122450144Sweet thanks.
>>122450179bizarre assertion
>>122450041they're attracted by the "metal is the new classical" meme
>>122450179This is a pretty funny thing to say given that Tallis liked Berlioz.
>>122450227Yeah, it was always a pathetic case of special pleading on his part to omit him and include composers like Rossini and Brahms.
>>122450041hector isn’t just any /metal/ refugee, he’s an insufferable pseud
Ultrenja's Resurrection half has some wicked percussion at the start.>>122450041Absolutely false, in terms of "guitar music", to which I assume you mean electric guitar since classical guitar exists (technically electric guitars exist in classical too), it is by far the most advanced with its own texture and goals. Really metal's role is a hybrid between noisey textures and melodic or chordal music. https://jutegyte.bandcamp.com/track/lugubrious-games-sans-fronti-reshttps://avantgardemusic.bandcamp.com/track/coincidentia-oppositorumFind me another electric guitar track that comes close to that level of composition. The only guitar music that achieves a higher state is... classical guitar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO8q9tWp3OYClassical has stagnated into a dusty mesuem of itself that only exists because governments force feed it grants, so it isn't bothering to take the opportunity to fufill this niche since nothing new comes from it anymore. At least that I know of anyways, its rather hard to find truly contemporary composer since as mentioned, classical has turned into a bed ridden diseased mesuem suspended into zombie state for its similarly comatose audience of soccer moms and half men.
>>122450330not /classical/, fuck off back to /metal/ hector.
>>122450330King of /mu/
pure /classical/, stay here on /classical/ anon
>>122450517>>122450330
Now Playing - The Great Polish Chopin Tradition: Raul Koczalski vol. 4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5bKJCeInYw&list=OLAK5uy_mkNepyQr_2aDEHwIUdV5JEiZJCBrI_eCA&index=5
Fundamental Bass is stupid
Now THIS is a string quartethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEHOysJfWSA
fuck off back to /metal/, hector.
stay here on /classical/, anon.
>>122450330>>122449831legend
>>122451262Stop samefagging
bach feels a little diminished in my eyes after listening to a lot of telemann, maybe i'm being unfair
>>122451315Worse, you're being stupid
>>122451312Literally not even me Iass.
>>122451320i'm just saying js could've pulled the stick out a tad you know
>>122451372You could pull the crayon out
>>122451399ignorance is bliss
No matter how many times I hear The Miraculous Mandarin it always makes my skin crawl. Most delightfully creepy and sleazy piece of music ever composed.https://youtu.be/uGuE20hKaDw
>>122451134>>122451347simply embarrassing, hector. fuck off back to /metal/.
>>122443938I couldn't help but notice Wolf was not on that list.
>The most tremendous genius raised Mozart above all masters, in all centuries and in all the arts. A light, bright, fine day this will remain throughout my whole life. As from afar, the magic notes of Mozart's music still gently haunts me. He is the highest, the culminating point that beauty has attained in the sphere of music as for one moment in the history of music all opposites were reconciled; all tensions resolved; that luminous moment was Mozart.>Mozart creates music from a mysterious center, and so knows the limits to the right and the left, above and below. He maintains moderation. It always sounds unburdened, effortless, and light. This is why it unburdens, releases, and liberates us. He never abandons himself to any one sense; even at his most ecstatic moments his mind is vigorous, alert, and on the wing. He dives unerringly on to his finest ideas like a bird of prey, and once an idea is seized he soars off again with an undiminished power. It does not give the listener time to catch his breath, for no sooner is one inclined to reflect upon a beautiful inspiration than another appears, even more splendid, which drives away the first, and this continues on and on, so that in the end one is unable to retain any of these beauties in the memory. It is particularly difficult to perform.
His admirable clarity exacts absolute cleanness: the slightest mistake in it stands out like black on white. It is music in which all the notes must be heard. Free of all exaggeration, of all sharp breaks and contradictions. The sun shines but does not blind, does not burn or consume. Heaven arches over the earth, but it does not weigh it down, it does not crush or devour it. Easy to read, but very difficult to interpret. The least speck of dust spoils them. They are clear, transparent, and joyful as a spring, and not only those muddy pools which seem deep only because the bottom cannot be seen. His simplicity is merely purity. It is a crystalline thing in which all the emotions play a role, but as if already celestially transposed. Moderation consists in feeling emotions as the angels do.>Mozart makes you believe in God because it cannot be by chance that such a phenomenon arrives into this world and leaves such an unbounded number of unparalleled masterpieces. It represents neither the prolonged sigh of faith that characterizes so much of the music written before his time, nor the stormy idealism which cloaks most music after him. Rather he is that mercurial balance of the skeptic and the humane. Like him, and in him, we can always discover new worlds.- Maho Hiyajo
>>122450330Your samefagging really shows insecurity. Stop flooding threads annoying retard.
Do any of you have a any descriptions of the difference in feel between harmonic minor and neutral minor. It's not hard to hear. But for what I'm feeling, the only thing I really come up with is harmonic sounds classical, natural feels more modern, and maybe less tense.I'm trying to make a mental bank of this sort of thing between different intervals and stuff. It's not the easiest thing to find material on either, so if either makes you think/feel anything particular between them, I wanna read it. "Abstract" or "weirdly specific" is not bad in any way here.
>>122453339>samefagSchizophrenic induced delusions.
>>122455242What's that supposed to prove exactly?
>>122455624That admittedly it does probably look like most replies to me are myself, in reality they are not. People like to fan flames on 4chan, and a controversial figure is their favorite target.
>>122455648>in reality they are not.Yes they are. Every time you post something you start obsessively replying to yourself next second with words that no one even uses in this general. You are just a massive shit(poster)
>>122455686>In my mind, it was realAnother schizophrenic revelation.
>>122455704>>122455648>>122455242stay here on /classical/, anon
>>122455704>denying the obviousFaggot
>>122455715>denying realityNGMI Iass.
>and he does it againYou're so humorous!
>>122455732If you think that's funny you should be in mental asylum
>not linking replies out of frustrationNGMI Iass.
>>122455741True, your schizophrenia is not a laughing matter and how your handlers let you access to the internet is a great failing of the health care system in your country.
>>122455755Delusional schizo
>>122455763>no uNGMI Iass.
>>122455857>>122455755>>122455748>>122455732time to never leave /classical/, anon
>>122455857You just did that here >>122455755And you're the one constantly replying to your own posts
>>122455932>You just did that hereNope, the original accusation of schizophrenia is here >>122455242, and again said here >>122455704. It can't be a "no u" if I was the holder of the original accusation while you merely replied to me with the same accusation. Then again, in your schizophrenic mind you probably believe that not only is every reply to my posts actually myself, but also that you wrote my original posts and thus hold the original accusation. What can clearly be gleaned from this information is that you are undoubtedly an idiot, and also schizophrenic.
stay on /classical/, anon.
>>122455956Not even the same anon you were talking to earlier, So I am the "HOLDER OF THE ORIGINAL ACCUSATION" and you are the schizo. Now what does that change? Absolutely nothing. Go play your memewars elsewhere.
>>122456012>Not even the same anon you were talking to earlierThen as an anonymous poster you must accept responsibility for taking the place of the other anonymous poster (especially without notice), such that you ARE or have rather become the other poster. In fact even if you were both to post at once, the position would not chance as in context of the conversation as a whole, it is still I who is the holder of the original accusation meaning what I said cannot be a "no u". It matters not if you are anon #2 or still the same anon, your role within it is the same as you partake in the exchange in the larger context.
>>122455242>>122455648>>122455704>>122455732>>122455748>>122455755>>122455857>>122455956>>122456283holy shit no one gives a fuck, go back to /metal/ already whiny faggot
>>122451512Now I will have nightmares
>>122456283>you must accept responsibility for taking the place of the other anonymousNo.
>>122450330What is a half man?
Addicted to Große Fuge right now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6nqfPWxWCg
i think it's about time we addressed the american question
>>122455242>>122455648>>122455704>>122455732>>122455748>>122455755>>122455857>>122455956>>122456283unholy piss everyone gives a heck, stay here on /classical/ stoic hetero.
>>122456770get real, hector would be no less insufferable regardless if he’s from the US, germany, nigeria or vietnam.
>>122456831sister poster confirmed Amerifat.
I don’t mind the drama as long as you keep posting music, thanks.
>>122456907https://youtu.be/1R0GE3p-XMk
>>122456907I'd rather it didn't take up so many posts.Martinuhttps://youtu.be/12EjXLQVpXE
Brahms:>A symphony is no joke.Mahler:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5yicLEFuks
>>122456862laughably delusional>>122456907>implying anything hector posts counts as music
Rubinstein is too robotic, especially for Rach. What was Hurtwitz thinking about when he said this was THE ideal?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9QLiefnoDEHe also dislikes LA philharmonic orchestra with Yuja when it's clearly the besthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOCAGscOZ2AAshkenazy, Cliburn although good, are outdated recordings. Everyone else plays too fast.
>>122457699this might somehow be more embarrassing than anything hector has ever posted
>>122457760Why do you hate Rach?
>>122457699Holy slopgem
>>122457797What's your deal?
>>122457781why do you post emotionally dishonest slaveslop performed by thai prostitutes
>>122457833I enjoy it. Explain what's wrong with the music, also why do you put image above performance/music? And have another recordinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygfLNLs2IBU
>>122457871why do you enjoy eating shit
>>122457913I don't. You also didn't answer any of my questions.
>>122457944you definitely do, or you wouldn’t continue to post about it
>>122457781if Bach is Dante and Mozart is Shakespeare then Rach is some genre fiction like Game of Throneshope this clears it up
>>122457959>Shakespeare isn't slop
>>122457980Dumbest Post of All Time Award
>>122457952So you can't name a single reason why it's bad>>122457959Explain if you can
>>122458010you’re ignoring my question, why do you enjoy eating shit?
>>122457913How do you know it's shit if it isn't even out yet!
>>122458057because it came out of a thai prostitute’s asshole
>>122458034I already answered your dumb question. Now it's your turn.
>>122457781sister is one of those guys who thinks music starts with bach
>>122451134That was really good, thank you hector
>>122458103you didn’t, you avoided my question. why do you enjoying eating shit?>>122458105comically delusional
>>122458105and? rach came after bach so what does that change here?
>>122458141because apparently rach upholds the values of the renaissance masters, according to that retard
>>122458141it's not about the relationship between bach and rach. it's a type of conservative listener with very predictable sensibilities. talking about anything other than the common practice period and the 3 Bs with the sister is a waste of time
>>122458164oh look, the conservative sperg is here
>>122458114I answered your question here >>122457944You still haven't answered mine.Here's another question, do you like everything else I post or do you keep your mouth shut? If Rach makes you seethe this much I might even post it humorously every time I visit here which is quite often. If you reply with a shitpost then I will keep posting Rach even while I don't listen to him
>>122458177you’re still avoiding my question. why do you enjoy eating shit? and here’s another question for you, why do you think i give a shit about anything you post?
Daily Rachmaninoff post.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1el_Aq7qqWA
although i should add i'm fairly certain he feigns interest in brahms for reasons unknown to anyone who isn't a schizophrenic
Mmm I love Rach and Russian componists so fucking much. It makes me so horny when I hear the emotional Russian melodies and epic chromatic runs and chordy go bang bang and then goes all soft and sensitive like my abusive boyfriend. I love movie music for elderly people
>>122458164The three Bs:Boulez BergBrachmaninoff
>>122458193>why do you think i give a shit about anything you post?Because you keep replying ad infinitum. That means, by definition, you give a shit.
>>122458206so these are the sorts of delusions that gnaw at the mind of a schizophrenic>>122458215not really, i just want to know why you enjoy eating shit.
>>122458214Brapmaninoff
>i don't give a shit>spends hours replying to every rach post he seesDoesn't add up.Embrace the new meme /classical/.>>122458224Your question was already answered. You didn't answer mine.
>>122458241my question was avoided. answer it properly. why do you enjoy eating shit?
>>122458245>my question was avoided.Read again
>>122458241So the next edition will be Rachmaninoff?
>>122458285just did, nothing has changed. why don’t you try answering it again, this time without avoiding it?>>122458302how exciting, we’ve never had a shit eating edition before!
>>122458308You need to learn English then.
>>122458325you need to learn the difference between avoiding a question and actually answering it.
New thread>>122458330>>122458330>>122458330
>>122458334Avoiding question is not answering it. I answered your question.
