Backhaus Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uwjiBpvoOs>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious:>>122604776
>>122635796>should I brush my hair for this album cover? Nah it's fine the way it is
Mozart 39, 40, 41
Every time I see Hurwitz awkwardly talk about the difficulty of overcoming his Jewish aversion to Wagner and comparing Wagner to Trump and saying Parsifal is garbage I just laugh.
Bros..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmP90xtVyq4I hate how she moves around, but this interpretation is bretty gud. Her hands must also be fucking huge -- that trill in the intro is a minor 10th and there are some large awkward chords toward the end that she nails, although it looks like she rolled the major 10th in the left hand.
>>122637463Hurwitz doesn't really like J. S. Bach and he actively dislikes Parsifal and The Magic Flute. It's just sad.
>>122638651>Hurwitz doesn't really like J. S. BachWait QRD?
>>122638651>>122638825What are you smoking? His J.S. Bach surveys is huge and he usually has good recs as well.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAjIX596BriFNsJxtaIMTLNloBlj2SSVk
>>122635796Best Ravel Tzigane recording?
>violin pizzicatoName a better timbre, I'll wait.
>>122638825>>122638844https://youtu.be/nbJVRNDFDWo?si=ychO1eeJ2nuMPYQ7Time stamp 1:00
>>122638825>>122638844Alsohttps://youtu.be/pcT_iZHFO2E?si=t0uQXZ_IWs14vh_O
>>122639086He literally says he doesn't really like Bach at 0:18.So there.
>>122639086>I am convinced that 99% of the people who profess to love Bach have actually never listened to him. If they did, they would be in real trouble because Bach is a difficult composerYour esteemed critic Dave Hurwitz ladies and gentlemen
kek look at him go!!
>>122639189i love how the difficulty of bach has been so exaggerated with each retelling that now it's like he's some lovecraftian horror to mortal ears>ahhhhhh the polyphony i'm going insaAAaaaaaAAAAAne
Is there any recording of those tiny compositions youd see in music magazines of the classical period?
starting the day with Brahms' op. 118, 6 Piano Piecesfirst two piecesNo. 1, Intermezzo in A Minor:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOgcfz80dGM&list=OLAK5uy_lu196aHRd-1bIQhexaBHrLWSgHA_LjEOo&index=12No. 2, Intermezzo in A Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFCMCFff4nE&list=OLAK5uy_lu196aHRd-1bIQhexaBHrLWSgHA_LjEOo&index=13https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lu196aHRd-1bIQhexaBHrLWSgHA_LjEOo
>>122640711Nice. I know I posted it before but pic rel is definitely my go-to set for Brahms piano music.
>>122640894Agreed, after Gilels / Jochum, Kovacevich / Davis + Sawallisch is my second favorite recording of Brahms' piano concertos.
>>122637463>>122638651>>122638844Hurwitz is a God amongst men. I've gotten so many good recs from him that I feel like I genuinely owe him something.Listen to Walton Symphony 1 - conducted by Previn - incredible.
>>122641087I don't watch him at all like some of you guys apparently do but when looking to add the Rattle Mahler 9 I did see he was a fan.
>>122641087Lol. Nigga is only good to find recordings, but I would take his recommendations and comments with a grain of salt, especially if the conductor or instrumentalist is jewish.Fun fact, the CD transfer of Nielsen's Symphony no.4 by Jean Martinon and the CSO has a silence gap between movements three and four, which was fixed by RCA in the Jean Martinon & CSO complete recording compilation because Hurwitz contacted the guy who was doing the mastering.
>>122641039Nice. I like Radu Lupu with the LPO and Edo de Waart playing Brahms 1st piano concerto.
Not music
>>122641152We know. It's art.
>>122641141He recommends great music, I've found so much new music thanks to him. He seems to dislike Simon Rattle more often than not, but maybe that's common. I don't seem to mind Rattle much but maybe I'm not so picky.Interesting about the Nielsen. I've only heard the 4th symphony maybe once or so but I should get more into it. Hurwitz is definitely an audiophile too.Captcha: R2D2
>>122641087Classicstoday is certainly not all bad and I generally enjoy Hurwitz's written content (his videos contain too much rambling), but it is disheartening that he has such shit taste in composers.
>>122641087He is quite knowledgeable and well spoken. I don't like his obsession with String Quartets though, my grandfather also likes String Quartets, its possible that the geriatrics tend to gravitate more towards fugues and this particular form of music. I admit that I am secretly envious of his knowledge and repertoire.
>>122641257How do you find he has a bad taste in composers? Hurwitz pretty much loves anyone from what I can tell. To him everyone seems underappreciated.
>>122641401except for wagner
>>122638825iirc he said Bach was too Christian for him.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uqo0JAWOQ
>>122641818Ernst Kozub had such a damn beautiful voice.
>>122639399>>122639189It's weird because his melodies are extremely memorable. His cantatas are among the only vocal compositions in the classical tradition I'd call legitimately "catchy". At least in the sense that they get stuck in my head very often.
Martinon (cond. by himself)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPOTvLlbs84&list=OLAK5uy_lECv-xwW6ueIiy3qCMGJ_5XU68Z0rOub4
Is there any HIPster recording of Wagner? I'd love to hear a performance of one of his Operas sung like vid related.https://youtu.be/_i_OPMw53mk
>>122642027I think the difficulty meme may come from playing his works. And being difficult doesn't mean it's inaccessible, undecipherable or hard to enjoy.I'm sure it has to do with the "clusterfuck = experimental = good" meme that took over arts in the 20th century.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrmeHjUG-0k&list=OLAK5uy_lE_KlEhyiPg0mFXzj3xgpSgntl1qIHaPg&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lE_KlEhyiPg0mFXzj3xgpSgntl1qIHaPg
>>122642228>HIPster recording of WagnerThat just means a really old recording.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GuqXbJMtlA
>>122639189>>122639399>>122642027>because Bach is a difficult composerAnyone who denies this is a moron. If anyone ever likes Bach, it's because of his complex counterpoint. That kind of complexity was did not exist until modernist garbage like Schoenberg.>his melodies are extremely memorable. He also didn't say that they weren't. He even said he loves Goldberg Variations, WTC, partitas etc. Then he said keyboard concerto bwv 1052 was too dense, and then proceeded to sing it.It is indeed memorable, but not easy to listen to.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpqm1hxgH-wFor some people at least. I can listen to this anyday(in fact I do), but I also enjoy abrasive genres like metal.
>>122642441>complexity * did not existwoops
>>122642291That's a hisster recording. Is there any modern recording that uses this singing style?
hahahaha how is something hard to hear bro just clean your ears hahaha
>>122642441>bwv 1052That is literally the first Bach piece I heard and the one that made me interested in listening to him. I could follow this one as a child much better than his fugues. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.>If anyone ever likes Bach, it's because of his complex counterpoint.Not really, that is a retard take. If his work was just complex counterpoint nobody would like it. He is a great melodist that uses counterpoint to add detail and depth to his melodies.
>>122642441>That kind of complexity was did not exist until modernist garbage like Schoenberg.Haha lol what are you talking about retard.
>>122639819explore CPO catalog i guess
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utursOFf4sA&list=OLAK5uy_mZuHIqGDEgj3ddnw5Mba25QjHxVJM75_E&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mZuHIqGDEgj3ddnw5Mba25QjHxVJM75_EThoughts on "Des Knaben Wunderhorn?" Never heard it before, and never see it mentioned at all compared to Mahler's other highly acclaimed song cycles.
The highly controversial Beethoven
>>122642532>That is literally the first Bach piece I heardOne of the first I heard&loved as well.>I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.I'm literally reiterating what Hurwitz says, maybe go and fucking watch the video?>If his work was just complex counterpoint No one says his work is just complex counterpoint>>122642936The truth, dishonest snob.
>>122643904>The truthThat music wasn't as complex as Bach again until Schoenberg?
>>122639399Most people will be filtered by Bach
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYuaXniMpZw&list=OLAK5uy_lspVyFvYUb9PZPNUBSgq22ZPjQIreZSCY&index=15https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lspVyFvYUb9PZPNUBSgq22ZPjQIreZSCYProbably gonna listen to the Brahms 2 from this same recording cycle (Giulini / Los Angeles Phil) as well right after
i've had normalgoyim tell me classical music makes them feel scared, anxious, unsettled, etc.anything beyond clair de lune makes them physically uncomfortable and upsetsome of these people are "musicians" and writers of "music">>122643099wtf are you talking abouteverything Mahlerstein wrote up to the 5th symphony? is refered to as his "wunderhorn period" and not coincidentally that was all his best stuff by far, and all sounds pretty much the same
>>122645483Clair De Lune wins again
>>122642289Good stuff right there.
>>122643099>>122645483he’s obviously talking about the song cycle des knaben wunderhornhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Des_Knaben_Wunderhorn_(Mahler)which is more or less a collection of odds and ends set to the same collection of texts. it’s not very consistent and quite eclectic, and some of the songs end up in the symphonies (urlicht, es sungen drei engel and das himmlische leben obviously), but as a whole it’s more of a mahler deep cut than anything essential that must be heard. the later song cycles (ruckert-lieder and kindertotenlieder) are far better works.
How can I learn to improvise like Olivier Latry?
Wagner? More like Fagner
>>122645483>classical music makes them feel scared, anxious, unsettled,...wtf?Did they listen to Schoenberg or something
>>122645958NTA but I've heard similar things from normalfags along the lines that classical music sounds 'unstable' to them and it makes them feel uncertain and anxious. From what I can gather it's just because classical music employs much more contrast and drama through its modulations, contrast of themes, changes in dynamics and tempo, expecting the listener to follow along with its expressive shifts, while the majority of popular music just evokes one mood for the entire length of a song.
>>122646213>majority of popular music just evokes one mood for the entire length of a song.Baroque music usually followed this principle as well, yet Bach seems to be the greatest filter in the standard repertoire.I guess you're right about everything else, complexity and inaccessibility is a major turn off to normalfags.I've never met someone who was so much repulsed by classical music though, so I was surprised.
>>122641087Thank you for this. I had never listened to this symphony but Previn and the LSO is usually a good bet for me and I'm finding it very enjoyable.
>>122646447Glad to hear it. It's a fun symphony that only gets better with repeated listens. Walton has been quoted saying "Walton wrote: 'I may be able to knock Bax off the map." with this symphony. I'm not sure if you are into Arnold Bax or not, but he's also worth investigating - tons of great music from him.
>>122642494>Is there any modern recording that uses this singing style?I've often wondered myself but I've yet to find it. I think because the very idea of 'HIP' music is actually a style, which is chiefly anti-romantic, and not just a desire to be historically accurate. So when people talk about a potential 'HIP Wagner', I'm sure most HIP performers instantly are uninterested because it would require all the complex tempo modifications and passion that their musical culture has opposed. They would have to conceive of the music 'naturally' rather than as an objective historiographical endeavor, and to perform 'naturally' as defined under the rubric of an objective academic assessment is a contradiction.
>>122647130A little tangential but Norrington's recording of the Tristan prelude is one of the funniest things I've ever heard.https://youtu.be/P9VRmOBRUVk
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8lNAp5ltc8&list=OLAK5uy_nN7OX0Oct-3Jz2ruH3UDBZcEe2Y_ruQRA&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nN7OX0Oct-3Jz2ruH3UDBZcEe2Y_ruQRA
>>122638912Well any pizzicato really
>>122635796You drop a piano on a boat, it doesn't sink but it does start to ...Liszthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rIaOI0Y06g&ab_channel=TraumPiano
>>122645483This reminds me of Alexander Stoddart's idea about the masses hating art because it's not affirmative. He's an ultra-trad Schopenhauerian sculptor who thinks people resist classical music and high art because it comes close to 'snuffing out the flame' of their existence a la Buddhism, and their will-to-life instincts kick in and violently resist it. Ironically pertinent in light of your post.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FPdrLlshRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OFH0f4Psqcsovlful playing
>>122647362I think they just find it boring and not engaging
>>122647440But does that explain why they would dislike it as background music?
>>122647160The very idea behind his interpretations is just hilarious. I don't know how he came to the conclusions he did.
>>122647378Grieg is underrated.>inb4 morning mood memery
No I found it intresting. I never claimed to value nor understand music theory but I find New Complexity and similar movements to be bombastic,intimidating,and all encompassing,i.e. a composer like Dai Fujikara,Brian Freneyhough,or Claude Vivier is and simply always will be more intresting than a Bach or a Jaocb Colier. Wagner was the Fujikara of his time and Jacob Colier is in a bad way the "Bach" of ours. Something like that.
I've only heard a handful of complete cycles and the odd singular recording here and there but this is my new favorite set of Prokofiev's symphonies, highly recommended for any other fans of his. Even better than Jarvi!start of Symphony no. 6 (now playing):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21vg_OTAfWo&list=OLAK5uy_kNKjn7sTUOrConXJtbrQUEEoEVPO79o3k&index=25start of Symphony no. 7:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNCmZ5DDbIU&list=OLAK5uy_kNKjn7sTUOrConXJtbrQUEEoEVPO79o3k&index=21https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kNKjn7sTUOrConXJtbrQUEEoEVPO79o3k
>>122647636put your name back on, nico schizo
Someone make a top 10 Bach works power-ranking pls
>>1226481271. Mass in B minor2. St Matthew Passion3. Sonatas and Partitas for Violin4. St John Passion5. Well-Tempered Clavier6. Cello Suites7. Magnificat8. Art of Fugue9. Cantata BWV 14010. Keyboard Concertosmaybe
>>122648289>3. Sonatas and Partitas for ViolinAre they really so esteemed?
>>122647586how?
Holsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRRtmrjWsPE
>>122642228https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ8RA_Z3DtQIn terms of the general flow of things, I find it preferable to the bloated performances of most Wagner. The singing is not golden age tier, or anything close to it, but they rein in the vibrato and don't just scream so it's fairly tolerable. It's fairly pointless to be playing this repertoire on period instruments, though.
Is it the greatest opera film of all time?
>>122644978It's a good performance. Too slow for my liking but wonderfully atriculated, especially the rhythmic punctuations coming from the brass in the finale of the 2nd symphony. Giulini's Brahms outside of those two recordings is too boring, though.
>>122648407I prefer the Wozzeck from this producer but all of his stuff is great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHFFPyU41_0The Powell production / film of Bluebeard is up there too.
>>122648297Universally and immensely.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weVyhEBSqqMAnd, like much of Bach's music, they're supposedly even more brilliant if you know music theory and understand their structure and nuances, or so I've read, but even for a pleb like me who just listens to music 'emotions-first' there is no question they are sublime. They were some of the very first works of classical violin music I listened to and enjoyed, and while perhaps I didn't immediately love them like I did, say, Beethoven's Violin Sonata no. 9 or Franck's Violin Sonata or Brahms' Violin Sonata no. 1, which resonate with our modern and romantic sensibilities more readily, returning to them now that I am far more acclimated to classical music I gotta say they live up to all of the hype and acclaim.>Yehudi Menuhin called the Chaconne "the greatest structure for solo violin that exists".[4]>Violinist Joshua Bell has said the Chaconne is "not just one of the greatest pieces of music ever written, but one of the greatest achievements of any man in history. It's a spiritually powerful piece, emotionally powerful, structurally perfect." He played the piece busking in L'Enfant Plaza for The Washington Post.[5]>Johannes Brahms in a letter to Clara Schumann described the piece, "On one stave, for a small instrument, the man [Bach] writes a whole world of the deepest thoughts and most powerful feelings. If I imagined that I could have created, even conceived the piece, I am quite certain that the excess of excitement and earth-shattering experience would have driven me out of my mind."
>>122648297literally the most important works in the entire solo violin repertoire
>>122648425You probably saw my 'now playing' post yesterday about listening to Giulini's Brahms 3 with the VPO which was his final cycle recorded in old age at 78 -- now *that* was a slow tempo, certainly much slower than I was used to, but I actually quite liked it. Not my favorite, of course, as what it gains in gentle bliss and sturdiness it sacrifices in vitality and lively passion (the emotional core of the Brahms 3 imo), but still good. I should check out the 1 & 2 from that cycle and see if those are also incredibly slow, lol.But yeah, glad to hear you also like it as well, I checked out those LA recordings on the recommendations of another anon here. What's your favorite for the Brahms symphonies?
now playing (The Hebrides Overture, op. 26 "Fingal's Cave" into Symphony no. 4, op. 90 "Italian")The Hebrides Overture, Op. 26 "Fingal's Cave":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d_vZ6OJ1oQ&list=OLAK5uy_nmPDZx14LdUGqkVn2AJxKlcf1jDa3l3XE&index=2start of Symphony No. 4 in A Major, Op. 90 "Italian":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iso1H1Kee2E&list=OLAK5uy_nmPDZx14LdUGqkVn2AJxKlcf1jDa3l3XE&index=7start of Symphony No. 3 in A Minor, Op. 56 "Scottish":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJrEeOC5-0s&list=OLAK5uy_nmPDZx14LdUGqkVn2AJxKlcf1jDa3l3XE&index=3https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nmPDZx14LdUGqkVn2AJxKlcf1jDa3l3XEThese Karajan Mendelssohn recordings are much better than Dohnanyi and Abbado, in my opinion, though those are still good, but these do a better job at expressing the romantic spirit fundamental to so much of Mendelssohn's music. As always, any other recommendations welcome.
>>122648553Actually, I haven't been here in a very, very long time. I don't really have a singular favorite for all of the symphonies. I am especially picky with the 2nd and 3rd symphonies, which I often feel are underplayed. If I had to choose just one set, it might be Dorati's, which, while a bit edgy, is played quickly and with piss and vinegar rather than the overblown heaviness that the Brahms symphonies are often played with. But, again, not really my favorite for any of the symphonies. Beinum's set is up there too, but half of it is in mono.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOetfUbbN1IExplosive Brahms 2 BTW
>>122648735I haven't heard his Brahms but I love Dorati's recording of Tchaikovsky's The Sleeping Beauty, so I just added pic, thanks! I also just added some of his Dvorak (7 & 8 + Slavonic Dances). Van Beinum is great too, I listened to some of his the other day as he gets suggested by other anons here often for Brahms 1-3.
>>122648923I have liked just about every acclaimed and recommended recording by Munch I've come across, so added as well, thank you. Gonna have to listen another day though as I generally don't like to listen to the same work multiple times in one day lol.
>>122649008It's live Munch so it's even crazier than usual. He was an animal in the concert hall.
>>122649059imagine the boston symphony playing today like they did under munch. literally inconceivable.
>>122649149>Andris Nelsons is the current music director of the BSO.He any good?>Seiji Ozawa had held the title of BSO music director laureate.Ugh.
>>122649163Largely very boring.
>>122649163andris nelsons and christian thielemann are the sole reason rattle isn’t the worst conductor alive today.
actually scratch the Bach, now playing (Symphony no. 10)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tOuX4qjbAs&list=OLAK5uy_lQBR3FCd6tOV1MbF-z22d23DrqYr3bvq0&index=33https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lQBR3FCd6tOV1MbF-z22d23DrqYr3bvq0>>122649175sad>>122649183lol. If I remember correctly, the Mahler recording I posted which you had the harshest reaction to was one of Jansons -- Rattle is worse than his? Regardless, I'm really liking the Rattle cycle, gonna listen to more of it after this Shosty.
Now Playing - Beethoven: Piano Sonatas (Arrau)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKJU_RTwbK4&list=OLAK5uy_lx76bWl6POO3myoYuKb2cEmbO5fo7haqQ&index=17
>>122649223jansons is a nothing conductor. rattle is too offensive to even be that. >>122649230really foul stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDOlfSoRbRsI've been enjoying some Schulhoff lately. These pieces really give off a similar sound world to Bartok.
>>122648447RYM sister, thank you
Why is rattle bad? I like his Nutcracker.
>>122646213makes sense. when i listened to tristan for the first time when i was like 16 it unironically made me feel disoriented
>>122649801my condolences
>>122649930can you explain?
>>122647321what is this cringe shit
>>122650001>showtune tier slaveslop conducted by one of the most boring conductors to ever livei wouldn’t wish this upon my worst enemy
>>122649223I like Rattle's Mahler.
>>122650016could you elaborate on why he's bad or is that beyond your capabilities?
I think Rattle did quite nicely with this Stravinsky - Ebony Concerto.https://youtu.be/ToYUCuUE9pk?si=7xvRmoFArNLGJSvh&t=21
>>122650085Rattle isn't bad, don't listen to the haters. Maybe some his recordings aren't top tier, but they certainly aren't bad and the orchestras always play well.
>>122650076how unfortunate>>122650085nonexistent dynamics, poor sense of orchestral balance, no sense of pacing or forward momentum, practical incapability of shaping overall form and elucidating structure; if there was an easily condensed checklist of traits shared by all good conductors, rattle has none of them, and to top it off he adds his own affectations and obsession with trivial irrelevant details and tertiary part writing, as if the music isn’t unmusical and dull sounding enough. >>122650139how embarrassing
>>122635796>caring what some fucking critic thinks and not judging for yourselves. /classical/ is now as retarded as the rest of this board.
>>122650178no one is talking about critics
>>122648447>film of BluebeardNever heard of this one. Thanks.
I know he RAPED my mind. I knew I was a celibate. One after Saint Augustine. As if I could ever partake in such adultery. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn’t restrain it. He covered his sounds, he got that conductor at the operahouse to play him perfectly...You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He’s done worse. That opera house! Are you telling me that a man just happens to start masturbating like that? No! He orchestrated it! WAGNER! He enchanted his mind! And I listened to him! And I shouldn’t have. I mailed to Cosima! What was I thinking? He’ll never change. He’ll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn’t keep his hands out from the Bible! But not our Wagner! Couldn’t be precious Wagner! RAPING them blind! And HE gets to be a COMPOSER? What a sick joke! I should’ve stopped him when I had the chance! …And you, you have to stop him! You
>>122647130I don't really mean a HIP wagner, just wagner sung in a singing style that isn't a rooster screech and allows some clean tones to come out here and there
>>122648455Was a unaccompanied Sonata and/or Partita a common thing at the time or something that basically only Bach did? Because I have never really heard any unaccompanied sonatas from Bach's time from his contemporaries. Its generally always one in the usual "cello, harpsichord and lead instrument" setting.
>>122652684>singers can’t use vibrato>singers have to power over a 100+ player sized orchestrachoose one and only one
>>122650016
>>122652718>and allows some clean tones to come out here and thereKeyword>here and thereRetardI get that vibrato is necessary to project your voice across the hall in cases of Wagner. But you don't need to sing it in a way that sounds like you can drive a dumptruck inbetween the tones of the vibrato. There are writings on the score that imply a cleaner singing tone than whatever the fuck most modern performers are doing.
>>122652741thank you manray>>122652769>arbitrary non-descriptor that means the singers must obey my every beck and calllol
I dislike classical solo vocals, I also am not a huge fan if choirs. Both sound very dull most of the time(even Bach, Beethoven) and emotionally weak. It does nothing to me, and combined with vibrato sometimes it's irritating.Am I beyond saving?
>>122652959no one cares about you personally
>>122652959Yes.https://youtu.be/HtO51oSkz84?si=-JX_rFZTlvFMjtyy
>>122652977Richter is way too bombastic and romantic in his renditions. I'm not asking for complete HIP but I find Ton Koopman to be a good balance. Though I dislike his insistence of a lute instead of a harpsichord for continuo. Helmuth Rilling's performances are the ones I come back to the most.
Who did Mahler better, the West Virginia Moonlightin' Yodellers or the New York Philharmonic? I'm assuming the latter since you'd need a massive fucking yiddy schnoz to listen to MEHler
>>122642441That's the academic (i.e. wrong) perspective on music. Do you seriously believe everyone needs to 'study' Bach to enjoy the Brandenberg Concertos? That anything more than a tiny handful of listeners even does this?
>>122655289Or toccata and fugue in D minor for that matter. Who needs an education to enjoy that? I love what Stokowski did for the orchestration of some of Bach's works.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0nRPDfpbkY
>>122652959I have yet to appreciate vocals in any classical music, but I'm working on it. There's just so much amazing without vocals that I don't really care to try much.
>>122655402I like those transcriptions too, not even in a 'guilty pleasure' sense, I honestly wish there were more of them
>>122653565do HIPsters actually
>It is that I am not a German, not a European, indeed perhaps scarcely even a human being (at least, the Europeans prefer the worst of their race to me), but I am a Jew
>>122649149>imagine the boston symphonyi'd rather not
hickschizo REALLY wants a reply huh
>It is the task of Israeli musicians to set the world an example of the old kind that can make our souls function again as they must if mankind is to evolve any higher>Israeli musicians
waking up tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHcAdG1MVTo&list=OLAK5uy_n80E7OJpH2HsbT8hdt9hBM_2S4ij5E7SM&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n80E7OJpH2HsbT8hdt9hBM_2S4ij5E7SM>>122655496
>Israeli musicians>American composers
I wish I could hear Gilels play beethovens 32ndFuck
>>122656522it probably wouldn’t be very good, his late sonatas are quite poor
>>122656595I like his personally but I’m definitely an amateur listener Clarity each note, no silly shit, pure rich tone. Richter too but he feels more dynamic to me Recommend me some better ones and if I haven’t heard em I’ll give a try
>>122656641Not that anon but Backhaus is probably my favorite for the late sonatas. And I love Gilels too. Gilels, Backhaus, Kovacevich, probably Kempff too are my Beethoven piano sonata essentials and usual recommends.
>>122656793I’ll give backhaus another go then, kempff I know very well!
>>122656641richter and gilels couldn’t have more differing interpretations of the late sonatas. gilels is turgid and dry to an extreme, whereas richter is truly lively and has less deliberate idiosyncrasy of timbre. for the late sonatas, i strongly recommend both richter (leipzig 1963) and pollini’s first analog recording. >>122656793these are not bad, but i find the traditional german kempff/backhaus school of playing unsuitable for the late sonatas. lacking intensity of vision, in my opinion.
why black people doesnt listen to classical?
Gonna work my way through this starting today. Any particular favorite Vaughan Williams symphonies so I can pay extra close attention when I get to it? I already really like the 2, 4, and 6 from other recordings.
>>122655289>. Do you seriously believe everyone needs to 'study' Bach to enjoy the Brandenberg Concertos?No. I never said that. Nor did Hurwitz.Read again and watch the video.
>>122657394ESLbro...
>>122657517Always felt 8 was a little underappreciated. Also the 7 in that cycle is fantastic despite the inclusion of the spoken word tracks between the movements which I skip.
>>122657517i'd pay money to never hear another note of V***n-Shitams diarrheamusic ever again
>>1226575178th symphony has such a beautiful start, it's hypnotizing. Definitely listen to the third symphony too.
>>122657818Who pissed in your cheerios? Vaughan Williams is amazing.
>>122657677>>122657836Noted, thank you. Loving the first symphony at the moment actually, but I love choral music.for anyone else who wants to check it out, all from the box set here: >>122657517start of A Sea Symphony (Symphony No. 1) , IRV. 70:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp6cpfbll8k&list=OLAK5uy_kcVmv-FZEtI5jaVC9TouiBOnh8H0M7-N0&index=2but for those not into choral music, then probably start with the 2ndA London Symphony (Symphony No. 2) , IRV. 41:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XOoXmq7QFo&list=OLAK5uy_kcVmv-FZEtI5jaVC9TouiBOnh8H0M7-N0&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kcVmv-FZEtI5jaVC9TouiBOnh8H0M7-N0>>122657818Missing out.
>>122657394when I saw the BSO there a few black zoomers
>>122656917Yes I meant that I like both the gilels style and the richter. Pollini is great but I mostly know his Schubert. I’ll give him another shot as well.
Rolling for Iannis Xenakis edition
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>>122658226i find pollini’s late beethoven set to be much better than his schubert; where his schubert can seem somewhat unsentimental and unforgiving at times, this sort of terseness and seriousness of presentation is perfectly welcome in beethoven.
>>122657557I'm not giving Hurwitz views. He can buy an ad instead of shilling in /classical/
>>122661202utter gibberish
>>122661793>a fat 60 year old jewish man from new york is posting on 4chani’d sooner believe that the delusional kraut is a good composer.>>122661802thank you ESL
>>122661809pray tell how a performance can be 'unforgiving'? are the horns playing the brown note?
>>122661848in terms of looseness of tempo, sharpness of note attack and warmth (of lack thereof) of sonority. is this your first day dealing with classical music interpretation?
Now Playing - The Russian Piano Tradition: Emil Gilels & Yakov Zakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbJ4Hlzq5BI&list=OLAK5uy_kiXlZSgTt-B8J6Q0jfDfgsfmTHP6G3P2c&index=2
Rossinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvTajn7paSs&list=OLAK5uy_lqPLlbEE02OT-p19Y8TMBanlk6LVtcIAk&index=1
Iannis Xenakis - Anastenaria (1953) For Choir & Orchestrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKQWuAsN3KI&ab_channel=%F0%9D%95%8C%CC%B7%CC%B7%E2%84%95%CC%B7%CC%B7%F0%9D%95%80%CC%B7%CC%B7%F0%9D%95%8B%CC%B7
Bartok string quartets
Iannis Xenakis - Jonchaies (1977) pour grand orchestrehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5771zMOeE&ab_channel=Pourceuxquelelangagead%C3%A9sert%C3%A9s
>>122662038>>122662199do RYMtrannies really
>>122662233An excellent question sister
>>122656917Backhaus has a pretty good series Hammerklaviers from the 50s and 60s. His first movement is too slow overall, but it's very well shaped.>>122661202The unsentimental and unforgiving approach is pretty successful in D959, I think. Especially the 2nd movement. I don't care too much for his D960 though.
It's always been interesting to me how the modernists generally shy away from Beethoven and go more towards Schubert. Any ideas why this might be?
>>122635796I work in classical music but there's not much money in it in Chicago. Where's the best place to work in the arts in this country? New York?
>>122662506Truth or Consequences, New Mexico
I hear R[ichard Wagner]. talking in great excitement down below in the garden; I look out and see an unknown figure; shortly afterward R. comes up and tells me that a Protestant parson with a traveling bag had spoken to him, asking when he might talk with him; R., having first looked him in the face and remarked that he did not care to be accosted in this way, invited him to walk with him. First of all the man asked him to defend the interests of the church, then he asked him not to write anything else offensive to morality. “What do you mean?” “Well, the mermaids, for instance.” R.: “You are a very silly man; according to that, trees, birds, and the whole of Nature would be immoral.” He: “You listen only to flatterers, you do not want to hear the truth.” R. is good enough to give him a copy of Parsifal: “In this you will see that I am more Christian than you are.” He: “That we shall know when we stand at God’s right hand.” R.: “Or at the Devil’s left,” and with these words he dismissed the importunate man. As R. says, he feels annoyed with himself, rather than with the man, for not having simply sent him away.
>>122662506New York most definitely. NOLA and Ohio has some pretty good cash in it too.
>>122662446that’s the thing, i cannot tolerate slow interpretations of the hammerklavier, or arguably any late beethoven. that first movement is too structurally sculpted to handle sentiment, which should be saved for the slow movement. it’s funny you mention D959, that’s my favorite of his set as well. probably the best D959 i’ve found as well, since not many people seem to record it standalone as with D958 and (obviously) D960. agreed that his D960 is not convincing. >>122662488you kidding? every modernist i know loves beethoven and mozart but couldn’t care less (or even actively dislikes) schubert and after.
>>122662506Nebraska
>>122662538aw hell naw bruh only in ohio
>>122662538how lucrative is it? Could you work your way up to being pretty well off? I hear horror stories about the arts being slashed these days but classical in NY has no end of patronage as well as gov arts funding.
not being homophobic but why does classical attract so many gay men?
>>122662547Schnabel probably has my favorite overall conception of the work, even if his recording is pretty finger-slippy and not well recorded. He just gets the overall structure of everything pretty perfect, I think. The balls to the walls first movement, balls to the wall second movement, very sentimental and emotional third movement, and probably the most courageous fourth movement ever recorded, period.I can't really find a 29th sonata that scratches the same itch on the whole, even though there are a few others that I respect.
>>122662673gay guys are usually more culturally inclined and generally more emotionally intelligent
>>122662657if you can get a job at the NY philharmonic you're set for life. Also free shows at Carnegie. Probably have to have some experience elsewhere though if you're out of state.
>>122662673Higher IQ. It's been measured.
>>122662673classical "music" is for constipated masochists
>>122662673is that MTT?>>122662711schnabel unquestionably has the greatest hammerklavier slow movement. a pity that the sound is horrid and, again, that fleischer’s cycle never materialized. oh well, at least he recorded D960.
schnabel is possibly the single most overrated performer of all time
>>122662918No, that's easily Carlos Kleiber. I don't think it's even close.
>>122662744Is this why they are the biggest consumers of female pop artists that make music for teenage girls?
can you feel the "air" of another world, anons?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olwVvbWd-tg
>>122662918even among pianists, michelangeli is more overrated>>122662938this, and also the likes of barbirolli or furtwangler.
>>122662949unironically yes. Female emotions even in slut pop are infinitely more complex than modern rap "fuck, molly, kill, repeat" knucklehead shit.
>>122662954what a dreadful video
>>122662918>>122662957oh yeah, and how could i forget arrau? horrid stuff. >>122662963not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>122662954I love Bernstein but I swear sometimes he'd make this kind of shit up just to see if the Harvard wankers would lap it up.
>>122662976thank you MTT
>>122662987nws anon
>>122662996i actually didn’t realize MTT was a homo until the anon above posted that picture of him and his... partner. apparently even his sexuality was ripped off from bernstein.
>>122663005>apparently even his sexuality was ripped off from bernstein.which was ripped off from Mitropoulos
>>122662971early arrau is good tho
>>122663005yeah, I had no idea either. I've watched entire documentaries he's presented and my gaydar never went off. Just thought he was your usual studious vaguely neurotic conductor type. He seems like a nice guy regardless and would have a drink with him.
MTT was actually a pretty good chamber player. He would accompany the Boston Chamber Players.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Y-l37v8Fc&list=OLAK5uy_mJ9OnAHE2JaKOe2zDRv3APu42SNUc2Q4M&index=2Plays the piano on this set, probably the best set of Debussy's final chamber works overall. Certainly a better pianist than a conductor IMO
>>122663016i have a feeling that bernstein would be a flaming queer regardless of mitropolous, while MTT as we know him today wouldn’t even exist without bernstein to skinwalk. >>122663032no, not really. >>122663068>Certainly a better pianist than a conductor IMOthe bar is on the floor in this regard
>>122663098that's like your opinion, manhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwQYnz6WZ2Y
>>122663135terrible stuff, liszter sister
>>122663135I actually do like his Liszt, even the stereo stuff. Much better than his zzzzzz Beethoven
>>122663034why would you have a gaydar
>>122663208nta but i recognize some posters from gaygen
>>122663195>Much better than his zzzzzz Beethovenhis beethoven is fine, but only on recitalshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgcw-I1QVl4&list=OLAK5uy_mKahOf0ycVohAWtWyJq9AD6SSjg9Qp8no&index=4
>>122663710major cope, this shit is ass
>>122663710He's certainly much better live. I agree with that. My favorite Beethoven from him is probably his earlier recording of Op. 101.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH81e53uhDIThe dotted rhythms here are pretty remarkably projected from Arrau. I struggle to think of many recordings that approach the precision here, it has a jumpy, tactile quality that few others do.
>>122662887Do you prefer Fleisher's newer or older D960
>>122664300he has an older one? i’m only aware of the one on the two hands record.
>>122664333Yes, it's livelier and doesn't take repeat in first movement (wasn't standard at the time)https://litter.catbox.moe/hwx4fv.rarDecent mono.
https://youtu.be/wKZiaoIS58csovlful playing
>>122664383i find the exposition repeats in the late sonatas mandatory.
>>122664443Fair enough.
Xenakis: Shaar (w. Score)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P3N33o4cjM&ab_channel=KjeldenBreidenbach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEc3YZQ0k_w&ab_channel=SamWu
>>122648615I agree with you except on The Hebrides Overture. Dohnanyi is just perfect there, he masterfully combines the epic and the spiritual of the piece
>>122648553Solti is the best, no argument
>>122635796Trying to find the best version of Elgar's Serenade for Strings, what do you guys recommend?
>>122665391Barbirolli's is the reference
>>122664416Based recording choice.
>>122665365this sort of trolling only works with wagner, silly
Do I like MTT's Swan Lake?
>>122665857fruitcake music conducted by a fruitcake, sounds like something that’d be up your back alley
For piano exercises, who do you recommend, Cortet or Czerny?I'm also learning things from standard repertoire but I feel like standalone technique exercises will be helpful as well.
>>122662673>>122662744>>122662785Faggot cope
Why did he have to ruin his oeuvre with some retarded knucklehead anti-jew manifesto?
starting the day withstart of Prokofiev: Cinderella, Op. 87:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAarz6jHckA&list=OLAK5uy_n2fKPti2o2SIpenSBF8lbwVAdI0qhX0dc&index=3Prokofiev: Cinderella, Op. 87 - 30. Grand Waltz:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GH5J5awoSE&list=OLAK5uy_n2fKPti2o2SIpenSBF8lbwVAdI0qhX0dc&index=31start of Glazunov: The Seasons, Op.67:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW7rVHw2its&list=OLAK5uy_n2fKPti2o2SIpenSBF8lbwVAdI0qhX0dc&index=52https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2fKPti2o2SIpenSBF8lbwVAdI0qhX0dc
>>122669239That ballet is so cute. Always makes me smile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMzli20vPWk
now playingstart of Mendelssohn: String Quintet No. 1 in A Major, Op. 18:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnr2RRAyIgk&list=OLAK5uy_lTPmM-s20zrSs7OtwkObRTvxZzbEC1pQ4&index=2start of Mendelssohn: String Quintet No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 87:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0C2oXtGCY&list=OLAK5uy_lTPmM-s20zrSs7OtwkObRTvxZzbEC1pQ4&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lTPmM-s20zrSs7OtwkObRTvxZzbEC1pQ4As someone who used to listen to almost exclusively chamber music but haven't really at all in the past couple months, these should be a good reintroduction to it and hopefully will reignite my passion for the form.
Tchai 6 is far more memorable than any Mahler. Just a friendly reminder.
now playingstart of The Bells, Op. 35:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kPk1kPt3_o&list=OLAK5uy_ndwG9Uq_GCeKnnmjXR0VsKx-1Gxa1QETQ&index=2start of Symphonic Dances, Op. 45:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwcoCQkCPlc&list=OLAK5uy_ndwG9Uq_GCeKnnmjXR0VsKx-1Gxa1QETQ&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ndwG9Uq_GCeKnnmjXR0VsKx-1Gxa1QETQ
>>122671346True but why I listen to and get out of each is entirely distinct so no reason to compare the two or choose one over the other.
>>122671346thank you homo
>>122671445He's got a point -- I don't think I've ever sung or hummed a melody from a Mahler symphony. Silly as it sounds, I view his works more as great works of art than great works of music, if that makes sense.
>>122671484consider the following: you are mentally disabled
Any recs for Mozart's string quintets? For some reason the Grumiaux set isn't doing it for me.
>>122672061Talich's set is great.
NP. Terrible sound for 1964.
going through this setBeethoven: Leonore Overture No. 3, Op. 72b:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5JvxbiUSSc&list=OLAK5uy_mfkKn0wwbAG_a90tWpqrCsADTRxOrznUA&index=28start of Symphony No. 7 in A Major, Op. 92:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNwyLd0FWkU&list=OLAK5uy_mfkKn0wwbAG_a90tWpqrCsADTRxOrznUA&index=29https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mfkKn0wwbAG_a90tWpqrCsADTRxOrznUA
>>122672869Staid and unconvincing
>you are mentally disabledno, i don't purchase mahler recordings never mind listen to them
>>122672869some clown on talkclassical tricked me into downloading this shite and it’s probably the worst op 111 i’ve ever heard, next to pogorelich’s. >>122673166embarrassing
Tchaikvosky Symphony No. 6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2n9k0BWTjQ&list=PLxV6VwFCe969Qq7wka42pFwt3G2shyFvs&index=22&pp=iAQB8AUBModern recordings > ancient hissAnyday. Any genre.
>>122672061Ensemble Villa Musica's are top tier
>>122668680Is it really retarded though?
>>122668680>anti-jew manifesto?What's wrong with that, exactly?Are you still stuck in late 20th century? If you don't know about the JQ at this point, you've been living under a rock.
>>122673265Just added this set, thanks. I really like the recordings I've listened to from Jurowski. Petrenko's is another really good contemporary cycle, though I did find it lacking a certain expressiveness you find with the older standard recordings, eg Ormandy, so they're a tier below the very best. So hopefully this Jurowski one reaches those heights.
>>122672061Griller with Primrose is my benchmark.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPdKvlSctiA
>>122673265Not that I dislike modern sets, but I think it's interesting how most conductors born in the 19th century tend to play the 6th symphony with a lot less anguish than modern performers do. More classical poise and generally quicker, especially in the finale. I think both approaches are interesting and worth hearing.
>>122673633do wignats really>>122674398conductors of the late 19th and early 20th centuries interpreted it as a piece of music. conductors after interpreted it as a homosexual tragedy.
>>122673633The 20th century? Where the largest mass murder of Jews in history took place?
Wagner was completely right about Jews in music
Schoenberg? More Like Shitsperg
>>122639086>"It's going to take the rest of my life.">60 years old>300 lbs.
>>122674892It can't be helped. They're usually the best performers
>>122673265Listening to it right now, the Manfred Symphony from this recording cycle is extraordinary, especially the 2nd and 3rd movements.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjRzJyLaHRY&list=OLAK5uy_l0FWa2Rx3PuTPSzyAUd-sq1jQUJ8z5i7A&index=27https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1o9dqoRSS8&list=OLAK5uy_l0FWa2Rx3PuTPSzyAUd-sq1jQUJ8z5i7A&index=28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0yy1mqKRJc&list=OLAK5uy_l0FWa2Rx3PuTPSzyAUd-sq1jQUJ8z5i7A&index=29https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsacd6qA6J0&list=OLAK5uy_l0FWa2Rx3PuTPSzyAUd-sq1jQUJ8z5i7A&index=30
Mahler? MEHler.
>>122674958My favourite soloists are both Jewish. But both Schoenberg and Mahler exemplified what Wagner was describing, especially Schoenberg. If anything he was too gentle to Ludwig Börne (a largely forgot liberal) as Börne would've almost certainly reverted to a Schoenberg-like figure had he lived longer
>>122674892What did he say about Jews in music?
>>122675039Schoenberg was right as far as German music was concerned. Germany was producing no music of value in the early 20th century. Just directionless sludge.
>>122675127Luckily Schoenberg was there to add even worse sludge
>>122675334Schoenberg was there to provide direction and a ruleset, which was very valuable. It was, in a sense, a return to tradition as a response to the messy post-Wagnerian landscape. Schoenberg has more in common with the classical period than anything else.
Is Hanns Eisler any good? What kind of music did he write? Was he an expressionist? Serialist? Neoclassical? Did he dabble in that godsforsaken cardboard prop soulless pointless Socialist Realism? What the fuck is up with him? Is his music actually good or does his fame rest entirely on politics and Brecht plays/Hollywood tripe? I have literally only listened to one song by him which didn't really feel neither particularly modern nor neoclassical, so I'm genuinely clueless.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yghNNaM3As
>>122665391Mischa Maisky; Philharmonia Orchestra; Giuseppe Sinopoli; Deutsche Grammophon Masters>>122665401sucks>>122638845Chantal Juillet, Violin; Pascal Rogé, Piano Luthéal; DECCA complete edition
>>122675067"They're good"
Outi Tarkianinen Milky Wayshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxZWSONwOd4&list=OLAK5uy_nyp7ytyNR4_y-HLZt1kPWSKupDKo5-OdI&index=3&ab_channel=NicholasCollon-Topic
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>>122675127Schoenberg literally said the opposite. He admired Strauss, Reger and Mahler immensely. And Strauss was the true inheritor of Mozart's flame and the classical spirit. You simply cannot excuse away the atonality of Schoenberg and then call him classical.
>>122676252I excuse away the atonality of Schönberg and call him classical.
>>122676289No, no, you cannot do that.
>>122676289he did it the absolute madman
>>122676289
Everything is good. Ockeghem is good. des Prez is good. Tallis is good. Byrd is good. Palestrina is good. Bach is good. Handel is good. Scarlatti is good. Vivaldi is good. Telemann is good. Clementi is good. Gluck is good. Haydn is good. Clementi is good. Verdi is good. Offenbach is good. Liszt is good. Franck is good. Borodin is good. Wagner is good. Brahms is good. Tchaikovsky is good. Strauss is good. Sibelius is good. Debussy is good. Mahler is good. Nielsen is good. Schoenberg is good. Bartok is good. Milhaud is good. Messiaen is good. Maderna is good. The only thing that is not even remotely good is U.S. "composers". No exceptions. Other than that, everything is good.
>buy book on the history of the orchestra/orchestration>extensively discusses beethoven, berlioz, strauss, mahler, schoenberg, stravinsky, etc.>has chapters upon chapters about strauss in particular>zero mention of wagner in the entire book except his name under a tiny photoReally weird. Isn't Wagner more important than Strauss as far as the history of the orchestra goes?
>>122671363>now playing Taneyev's bastard son, Scriabin and Medtner's "special needs" middle brotherugh why do people still do this
>>122676514this totally happened and you're not setting up a strawman for cryptonazis to have a circlejerk around as they burn it
>>122676514well you didn't mention Haydn or Rimsky-Korsakov so chances are you wasted money on a shit book>>122676440based post
>>122676544It's completely true. Your reaction tells me that it is quite a striking absence to not include Wagner in a book about the orchestra.>>122676574>well you didn't mention Haydn or Rimsky-KorsakovIt contains all that stuff as well. Goes from the earliest years to late modernism. It just avoids Wagner.
>>122676019Sinopoli is disgusting
>>122676661Wagner is only remembered for Ride Of The Valkyries
>>122676440i genuinely don't know any US composersi tried to listen to charles ives once and all i remember was that it sounded sort of like sibelius in a cheap halloween costume
>>122676894>sort of like sibeliusthey don't even sound similar, not sure how you drew that conclusion
>>122676661>It's completely true. Trust me. I wouldn't be disingenuous on the internet.>It just avoids Wagner!! It's amazing!!! Why would (((they))) do that I don't get it in my innocence it's true I swear it true!!!!!Yeah yeah yeah 100% so is the protocol of the elders of zion isn't it you deranged tranny; bottom line is you got scammed anyway and that's good
>>122677036it was a symphony and it sounded exactly like one of sibelius' spooky woods symphonies
>>122677037thank you paranoid sister
Berlioz's Romeo et Juliette, op. 17 (Munch / BSO) is so, so good. I should try out another recording the next time I listen to it though, as wonderful as this one is.
>>122677037Why does it seem so impossible to you?
God DAMN Bruckner is boring
>>122677114pretty much everything with munch and the BSO is good
>>122677177t. woman
>>122677237I should check out more recordings by them. I only have the Berlioz set and the wonderful Tchaikovsky 6, though I did add their Brahms 2 the other day.
>>122661144Ignore the digits at your own peril /classical/
>>122676695You are disgusting.
>>122677242he can't even accidentally fall into a memorable melody to save his life, let alone consciously write one. It's all just minor chords on the brass for an hour and a half.
>>122677143why does it seem so weird to ya huh>>122677427I assure you no one cares>>122677481maybe your musical memory is just shit, ever thought about that? who am I kidding you have yet to think a day in your life
>>122677502On the eve of the Battle of Drepana the sacred chickens refused to eat, this was a sign for Rome that the battle was not sanctioned by the gods. The roman consul , Publius Claudius Pulcher, however became enraged and threw the sacred chickens into the sea shouting “if they will not eat, let them drink.” The battle went on to be a resounding defeat for the Romans-they lost 75% of their fleet, Claudius was tried for treason by the senate and was believed to have committed suicide not long after.
>>122677502imagine being a fan of BRUCKNER enough to get this mad lmao
>>122677587didn't read>>122677605imagine being so sheltered that you think other people calling you out on being retarded means they're MMMAYAAADDD
>>122677641oh I'm sure you're not mad. I can tell how calm and reasonable you are from the way you type, where it seems you about to punch a hole in the wall every other word.
>>122677641It's up to you sister, ignore the augers if you wish
new>>122677675>>122677675>>122677675
>>122677502>why does it seem so weird to ya huhBecause Wagner's supposed to be an important orchestrator, and Strauss is famously a Wagnerian. Are you stupid or something?
