Schumann edition.https://youtu.be/UQQxpJ7Pn1g>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>122725964
>>122749004It's the prettiest and coziest symphony.
>>122754002Agreed. Brahms 2 has always been my favorite.
>>122751011>ravel>emotionalHe's always been criticized for being cold as fuck
Ravel is boring and gay as fuck. Should've been forgotten by now. Give me Debussy or better yet, the PUSSY.
>>122754285>His settings and pastiches of exotic folk-songs are done with the regular accomplishment: but raise at once the question whether they were worth doing. That is the question which is raised only too often by the majority of his works: and it would not be surprising to see in future histories of French music the line of genius stretching straight from Fauré to Debussy, with Ravel mentioned for little more than a few brilliant works which are finally accounted little more than talented trivialities. Fact is though he IS remembered and probably just as popular as Debussy these days.
>>122754314Just to be clear, that quote is from 1938.
>>122754314God Fuare fucking sucks in light of Ravel
>>122754474Come again?
>>122754485I mean Fauré
>>122754474Wrong way around.
For me it's the Sherezade song cycle and the piano concerto for the left hand.
>>122754002>>122754009I just remember it being ploddingly unmemorable and saccharinely sentimental.
>>122754823It's his pastoral symphony. I could live without the exposition repeat though.
>>122754998And I don't go to Brahms for pastoralism. I go to Brahms for rhythmic power and formal craftmanship. When he tries to be pastoral it's just going to be a far cry from Beethoven.
>>122755075>I go to Brahms for rhythmic power and formal craftmanshipNeither are missing in Brahms 2.
>>122755155Yes they are. It's just doo doo look I know melody doo doo aren't i a good melodist doo doo i don't need counterpoint doo doo.Very boring. Not a single memorable melody. At least the 1st has energy and excitement.
>>122755331There's plenty of counterpoint and the last movement of Brahm 2 is more energetic and exciting than anything in the first symphony. Also the melodies across the symphony are some of his best and most characteristic.
>>122755331Great criticism.
>>122755331>Two bassoons color the second movement's opening cello theme with a dark counterpoint, creating an immediate contrast to the first movement>Full of rhythmic interest, this movement [3] has frequent meter changes, expectant fermatas, and Brahms' distinctive cross-rhythms
>>122755331>The moody and unpredictable finale oscillates between manic energy and somberness; Brahms is constantly changing direction, sometimes so abruptly as to pull the rug out from beneath your feet. The motion never stops, and when the final D major fanfare arrives, one has the sense of having been on a wild ride.
>>122755375>>122755381>>122755434>>122755439And yet it's boring and flabby. If the rhythmic isn't exciting, then there's no rhythm in it for me. If the counterpoint isn't marvellous, then there's no counterpoint in it for me. The melodies in the first symphony were better. There is not a single stand-out melody in this shit heap of a symphony, it's just vapid romanticism.
>>122755935>I want X!>but it has X, here are some citations>noooooo not like thatOk
>>122753967clasical gusic
>>122757235
Brahms 2 is a great symphony to start the day with.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KlrLo1zRhY&list=OLAK5uy_k_FZdFbhcmGzM_bbs084jVf1F1JVC-ir8&index=8
>>122757235>>122757266brahmsian meow :3
Is there any Lieder composed for a chamber music ensemble like a Piano Trio or Quartet/Quintet?
>>122757353Yes.https://youtu.be/2eORHu5YVKA?si=WyxitWGFyefHbOx1
>>122757391don’t reply to the tranime porn addict thanks
>>122757330
post your holy trinitymine:bachschoenbergockeghem
Now Playing - Bruno Kittel Choir - Mozart Requiem KV626 (Polydor 67731-9) 1941https://youtu.be/WqqhRq8PMjY?t=514
>>122757547Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Brahms
>>122757575the absolute state of romantisloppers
>>122757557do hisstards actually
>>122757407I will reply to him now just to spite you>>122757353Hi
>>122757765thank you autistic retard
Friedrich Wieck likely knew Schumann had contracted syphilis before the latter asked to marry his daughter, which would make his opposition to the marriage quite understandable.
>>122758446jejdid he forced schumann to drank mercury too?that would explain his mental state at the time of his death
>>122757662>Noo you can't enjoy this music I don't like it!! Noooo
>>>/v/682604432>>>/v/682604432>>>/v/682604432Look at Hector and laugh at it
>>122757856says the sisterposter
>>122758459You think that's funny?
I cannot for the life of me understand how Schumann's piano quintet is so much more popular than his piano quartet. The latter is far superior, in my opinion.
let's start the day with... probably gonna listen to his 9th later today too>>122758833You're wrong but I respect the opinion.
>>122758864A good way to fall back asleep
>>122758949lol I actually listened to Ormandy's last night while falling asleep, I'm totally ensorcelled by this work. In hindsight I should've listened to the slower, methodical Harding last night and the faster, thrilling, and haunting Ormandy this morning.
>>122758549you can enjoy it, just like how i can laugh at you for it. >>122758703thank you autistic retard>>122758864my condolences, that recording is atrocious
>>122759166You're the most laughable poster here though
>>122759179said the slaveslopper LMFAO
>>122759166>my condolences, that recording is atrociousOn one hand I respect being picky about recordings and music, but on the other man, it must be a burden; throughout my journey of the discography of Mahler recordings these past couple months, there have honestly been very, very few I outright did not like. Some were better, certainly, but a large majority were at least solid, and almost all were listenable. This Harding recording probably isn't as good as the Dausgaard / Seattle one you recommended and I listened to the other day but it's still pretty great. Then again maybe it's just a Mahler thing -- I enjoy all parts of the wide range of interpretations, whereas with other composers music I'm much more choosy.I don't know, all this to say I like it.
>>122759236Can you at least distinguish between a good orchestral performance and one where the orchestra completely loses the plot as in Barbirolli's 9th with Berlin?
>>122759236>it must be a burdennot really. i just find recordings i like and stick to them. >>122759274he likes rattle’s mahler so the prognosis is not good.
>>122759274Haven't heard it, but I just go with what sounds good to me.>>122759296>not really. i just find recordings i like and stick to them.A burden to have spent to much time listening to recordings the large majority of which don't even sound good to you, if not outright bad.>he likes rattle’s mahler so the prognosis is not good.lol it was fine, yeah. I don't think I'll revisit any of it though, except I do intend on trying out his 10th.
>>122759331>a burden to have spent so much time listening to musicok? it’s just music dude. plus, when you have a certain level of experience with conductors and orchestras, it’s not hard to find recordings that you like with a relatively high level of accuracy. i know my own tastes well enough to avoid duds more often than not.
>>122753967Did anyone acutally do tone poems well? Liszt's are fucking awful
>>122759407Strauss is probably the obvious one
>>122759407R. Strauss, Dvorak, Sibelius ...
>>122759382Of course, of course. I guess I'm just always surprised by how many Mahler recordings you have heard and don't like lol, or as you said once, the majority are bad. But hey doesn't matter to me I suppose, since your recommendations are generally on point, probably as a result of that.
>>122759382>dudeLaughable groid
>>122759438the vast majority of music is bad, and even among good music, the vast majority of performances are bad. that’s what makes the good ones good. >>122759593incomprehensible gibberish
>The Royal Concertgebouw has recorded this symphony only once before, with Bernard Haitink--a performance of no special involvement or excitement. Given that they are one of the world's three great Gustav Mahler orchestras (with the New York Philharmonic and the Czech Philharmonic), it was high time that they had another crack at it under a more interpretively proactive conductor. While Riccardo Chailly's performance isn't exactly the last word in orchestral imagination, so magnificent is the playing and sound of this disc that no one is likely to care. This is, then, principally a showcase for a great orchestra with a great Mahler tradition, and that's good enough for most of us. --David Hurwitzouch
>>122759615What's ouch about that? It's basically a positive review.
>>122759647'Ouch' for Haitink.
>>122759653Well, most performances of the 5th are complete trash, so Haitink is hardly unique there.
guess we'll give it a try>>122759667Yeah it is rather forgettable. I just found the multiple potshots in that snippet amusing,
>>122759653Ok, I guess so. "Haitink" and "boring" are pretty much synonymous
Yuja Wang, my queen, my muse, my beloved, my future wife...imagine how sweaty her feet must have gotten while she performed this album haha...
>>122759717Your discord buddy is waiting for your sesh
>>122759717Holy based
>>122759717I kneel
>>122759717Gross post
>>122759750Good Lord ...
>replying to the coomers
Behold... The Queen of /classical/, Yuja Wang, first of her name.
I'd take a thick Prima Donna over Yuya any day
>>122759790>replying to the sisterposter
>>122759807
Wang, Hitler, Wagner.
>>122759717based coomer
>>122759750
anyone else here familiar with this set? just started listening to it (the 3rd yesterday and the 4th right now) and it's pretty great so far, and includes quite a bit, symphonies 1-6, manfred, serenade, some overtures, and some ballet suites.
>>122759881Nope. How is it compared to Jurowski set?
Thank you Schoenberg for ruining and ending classical music. It was getting boring anyway and there was probably already too much of it
>>122759912I'll let you know once I get through it :) The Jurowski one was solid, and I standby the fantastic Manfred on it -- but I've read the one on this set is even better so we'll see -- but I doubt I'll be revisiting it as there wasn't anything particularly notable about the rest, certainly not to place it above Ormandy's set, my current and longtime favorite.
>>122759912>>122759964If you wanna listen with me, here's the start of the 4th on a playlist of the whole set:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0ubRqHNJU&list=OLAK5uy_nDMRAjrCkCyUCxHGPrMLuBeu33aXMcE1o&index=14So far so great. I like my Tchaikovsky more expressive and 'heart-on-sleeve' than classical and straightforward, and this sounds to be in that direction.
>>122759964>>122760003Alright listening to the 4th
>>122759750>>122759807what's happening here?
>>122760236Acknowledgement of the queen
>>122759166thank you autistic retard
>>122760068I don't know about you but, listening to the 5th now, and I am absolutely loving this recording. Will probably be my go-to listen and recommendation next to Ormandy's, and these have better sound quality.
I have grown tired of classical music, with its insipid predictability and mind-numbing formality. I mean, seriously, who can stand the nauseating simplicity of Mozart or the banal bombast of Beethoven? It's as if people who listen to classical are content with wallowing in this tepid pool of melodic mediocrity. No, give me the raw, unfiltered ecstasy of dissonant black metal any day. Bands like Deathspell Omega and Jute Gyte deliver a sonic experience that's as intellectually stimulating as it is viscerally electrifying.Their compositions are a chaotic, beautiful mess of atonal brilliance, challenging the listener to truly engage and surrender to the sublime, almost sensual chaos. It's like being wrapped in the fierce, muscular embrace of sound—raw, untamed, and thrillingly dangerous. There's something deeply erotic in the way the dissonant notes clash and intertwine, a primal dance that classical music could never hope to emulate.So, while youf ags might find solace in the limp, insipid harmonies of the so-called "greats," I'll be on /metal/, enveloped in the ferocious, feral ecstasy of dissonant black metal, feeling every jagged, intense note in my very core.
>>122760373for anyone else who wants to give it a try, here's the start of the 5th on a playlist of the whole set:>Symphony No. 5 in E Minor, Op. 64:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFK9SZIEVRM&list=OLAK5uy_nDMRAjrCkCyUCxHGPrMLuBeu33aXMcE1o&index=18https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nDMRAjrCkCyUCxHGPrMLuBeu33aXMcE1o&si=FyanqnfB_OP75yva
>>122760373>>122760404I'm on the last movement of 4th and I'm not a fan of it. The symphony, not the recording.5th and 6th are the best so I'll give those two a listen
>>122760481Fair enough. Personally, whenever I find myself not liking a highly acclaimed work, it's very often (but not always) the recording, so perhaps you would like a different Tchai 4th. Unless you've already heard a handful, in which case fair enough. And yeah, 5th and 6th are true masterpieces, with the latter being a transcendent one.
>>122760380ai post.
>>122760380>who can stand the nauseating simplicity of Mozart or the banal bombast of Beethoven?What a stupid thing to say. Anyone with good taste can and will enjoy Mozart and Beethoven.
>>122759881the 6th is really good, the 4th and 5th are good too but i have other favorites
>>122760236porn addiction>>122760293thank you autistic retard>>122760530don’t reply to hector, just filter his new trip.
Chopin is the heart and soul of man.Chopin is a hero we do not deserve.Praise Chopin.
>>122760380>>120913562wtf hector
>>122760591thank you chopincel
>>122760380All posts by this trip are AI, made by a very angry beta male, feel free to filter it
>>122760635an AI that shits itself? how novel
Classic-posers filtered by my superior intellect and eloquent writing..as usual.
>>122760591He's definitely essential, both in the greatness of his music and its unparalleled range and depth of emotional evocation.
>>122760665your diarrhea filtered by your diaper as usual>>122760669thank you chopincel
now playing:Dvorak: Violin Concerto / Romance / Carnival Overture-Midori Goto (Artist), Antonin Dvorak (Composer), Zubin Mehta (Conductor), New York Philharmonic (Orchestra) start of Violin Concerto in A Minor, Op. 53:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br-Y85sbiBg&list=OLAK5uy_k6TSX4QiSz6FC01RfF5SmF_b-22dVjvMk&index=2Romance in F Minor, Op. 11:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4XMEO8gvs&list=OLAK5uy_k6TSX4QiSz6FC01RfF5SmF_b-22dVjvMk&index=5Carnival Overture, Op. 92:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcFc7fW2wr8&list=OLAK5uy_k6TSX4QiSz6FC01RfF5SmF_b-22dVjvMk&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k6TSX4QiSz6FC01RfF5SmF_b-22dVjvMk
Don't make me watch Hurwitz's "how to into opera" and make a short list of operas for me plox.Thinking I should start with Mozart's The Magic Flute
Hurwitz literally thinks that Khachaturian's Symphony no. 2 is the worst "russian" symphony because Armenia was part of the Soviet Union. I don't know how you can take that retard seriously.
>>122760908I actually added a few recordings of his symphonies yesterday, excited to delve in. Listened to his Violin Concerto and it was excellent.
>>122760908there isn't a single critic - or human being, for that matter - without at least one retarded opinionjust because you agree with someone on something doesn't mean you're cosigning everything they've ever said
>>122760960>sisterposter defends hurwitzKEK
>>122760963haha yup you caught me
>>122760960>without at least one retarded opinionYours happen to be about Russian composers being bad, unlistenable shit or "slop" as you put it.
>>122760960the problem is that all his opinions are retarded
>>122760850if anyone has a spare 12 minutes, this is the best Dvorak Romance, op. 11 I've ever heard, wow. highly, highly recommended with the utmost fervor and the entirety of my heart
>>122761012you didn't have to reply to my post twice
>>122759944This
>>122757662>>122757856>>122759166>>122759185>>122759382>>122759609>>122760608>>122760796>>122760960>>122761012>>122761020
>>122761124there's only one (You) there
>>122761015Firat time listening to Dvorak, sounds beautiful.
>>122761183My mistake, meant to tag Squidward only
>>122761185Glad you like it! Dvorak is an incredible composer, and fortunately for us was immensely prolific so there's tons and tons of music to explore and enjoy from him.
Not sure where else to post this, but I played a piece for a solo and ensemble competition (viola) back when I was in school, but cannot recall anything about it other than the intro was this all played on c string and do a bunch of descending harmonics also on c string. Does this call to mind what piece this is or who it's by?
>>122761457J.S. Bach Orchestral Suite no. 3: III Air
>>122760963>>122761003thank you schizo sisters>>122761124>>122761213thank you dirty bubble
>>122761496Absolutely not lol
>>122761496lol
>>122761457Melody is from herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0
>>122761584Midhoven is for midwits.
>>122761595shitting your diaper is for highwits?
>>122761595Black metal is at once both the gayest and most artistically impoverished genre. Boring, pretentious and usually poorly constructed
>>122761611It actually is, as it saves me time. Do you enjoy wasting hours every day, going to the toilet?>>122761613Low IQ mongrel take. Hasjarl and Adam Kalmbach can stand up to any classical composer.
>>122761613True, but it is also the best metal sub-genre. Metal is so stupid and boring once you start listening to Classical
>>122761613>responding to hector seriously>>122761655don’t you have a diaper to change? your own perhaps?
any Zelenka recs?
>>122761694>>responding to sisterposter seriously
>>122761676No it's one of the worst, classic heavy metal, thrash or doom are the best
>>122761933>classic heavy metal, thrash or doomAll garbage. Black metal has some great artists here and there on the other hand, and the style allows them to actually succeed at art(unlike the slop thrash and trad are)
>/metal/ laughing at uslowest point in /classical/ history>>122761760
>>122762087>at usYou mean "at you", since you don't actually post here.
>>122762087>you could write out the worst laziest piece of shitty bait and he would still replyNot wrong.
>>122761933>>122761972not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead>>122762087hector finding anything good or funny is basically a full blown endorsement for the opposite at this point.
>>122761972If you don't like those you don't like metal
>>122762395not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>122762087sisterposter mogged from afar
The guy constantly backing up Hector and posting only in lower case is just him samefagging btw
>>122759166Pretty sure this is the nicotranny in disguise. Digits will confirm.
>>122762087Sister autist has been schizophrenic over his imaginary friend for weeks, not surprising /metal/ gets a kick out of winding up the zoo cage autist
>>122762466>condolences,there's 0 danger nicotranny would know or be able to spell this word. At any rate they don't like classical music just spectralism which they pretend to like
>>122762464we know>>122762466nah, nicotranny and hector are two very distinct people. nicotranny used to post in /classical/ too before he got his nickname.
>>122762395Says who? A literal who on /classical/ kek. I've (unfortunately, truly) listened to more metal than you have, and I definitely know what's better or not, faggot.
>>122762563If they are so distinct then why have you called most of the regulars here "hector"?
>>122762588schizophrenic as always
>>122762631Yes, you are schizophrenic, that was the point I was making.
>>122762636laughably delusional as always
>>122762719>
>>122762748who are you quoting, schizo?
>>122762763who are you quoting, schizo?
>>122762766and as expected, the schizo lapses into his standard behavior
>>122762796So true sis.
>>122759824I didn't realise classical had slampigsI will now kitten to your genre
>>122762800Fat opera singer is an immemorial trope.
now playing:Brahms: Ein Deutsches Requiem A German Requiem Op.45-Studer/Abbado/Berlin Philharmonic Orch.start of Ein deutsches Requiem, Op. 45:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCln5IPzX38&list=OLAK5uy_mJhqpgPE72MH-nhZLvdFDrGM_KCBscIOc&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mJhqpgPE72MH-nhZLvdFDrGM_KCBscIOc
>>122762578pure cope
>>122763070>I've (unfortunately, truly) listened to more metal than you haveBased norsecore poster finally admitting I was right about him.
>>122763105was for >>122762578Have too many threads open at once.
>>122762799thank you schizo sister>>122763105>>122763119time to fuck off back to /metal/, tranime sister
>>122763328metal is inspired by classical hector sister
>>122763595not /classical/, time to fuck off back to >>>/mu/metal, schizo sister
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaIzilyP9X8Bruckner 5 with Jochum and Berliner Philharmoniker. It's similar to his last Concertgebouw performance in terms of overall shape, but more muscular with sharper accents. The sound quality is very good, but the stereo image is somewhat unstable... shifts perspective randomly in the first movement especially.
>>122757547BachMozartWagner
>>122757547LisztWagnerScriabin
I love Ibragimova's recordings, most likely my favorite of Brahms' Violin Sonatashttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku_rbe9eso&list=OLAK5uy_nkyfFocfRQevkj9i3tCva91X2_n1I6qxQ&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nkyfFocfRQevkj9i3tCva91X2_n1I6qxQ
time to try pic, neat album cover too
>>122764347Tasty split violins
>>122763628Time to fuck on back to classical hector sis
https://youtu.be/BiyMUeZXP6w?si=hSHrR-MBymN1AQLn
>>122764391split violins can’t save hardon’s shitty conducting>>122764485schizophrenic as always
I never listen to f*male performers. I only hear orchestras after making sure there are no f*male members.
>>122764866I found it to be a perfectly acceptable performance of the 9th. What did you dislike about it so much?
>>122765073hardon is rattle’s disciple and it shows pretty clearly in his conducting. soft, affected, and lacking dynamism and liveliness.
>>122757547Bach, Beethoven, Wagner
>>122765088>hardon
Now Playing - DG 120 – Chamber Music: Early Recordingshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od85bArzyIE&list=OLAK5uy_kdkTg9BV8hqH8PWEz820kbXBKICVjDJbY&index=4
now playing:Wagner: Orchestral Favourites-Richard Wagner (Composer), Georg Solti (Conductor), Vienna Philharmonic (Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJSLxJ2wA_Y&list=OLAK5uy_ma9fa1xAhUcd22YSPuyfRclvFJTKeRsJo&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ma9fa1xAhUcd22YSPuyfRclvFJTKeRsJo
First time posting here, long time classic appreciater and progeny of Dvorak. Can you please suggest me classical music that has been shown to have positive effects on the mind and body? I know they exist and if anyone has the insight on music that's beneficial to the health it would be very much appreciated.
>>122765423https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aISfc41pOIY
>>122765423https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=fyMArw3b7FpqA0MB
>>122753967>Schumann?>Pooman
np>>122764391>>122765088It was pretty good -- stunning sound quality -- but, much like his 6th, a bit too clean and controlled; 'soft' is a good word to use. Definitely wouldn't mind re-listening to it sometime but still gonna explore more. Now, the Chailly / Concertgebouw 5th was the complete opposite, that one was full of all kinds of surprises and thrills and interesting, idiosyncratic choices lol, definitely gonna have to re-listen to that one very soon.
>>122765469Thanks Anon >>122765578Not what I had in mind but I laughed so thanks anyways.
>>122765786try chailly’s gewandhaus remake, the tempos on that are much preferable to his concertgebouw recording
>>122765403Such moving music. Would be perfect for political rallies or something.
>>122765876I can only find a DVD release on that on Amazon (with this dope cheesy cover), and not on YouTube sadly. I'll check some other sites. I did find and add Chailly's Gewandhaus Beethoven cycle if that's any good though, and the rest of the RCO Mahler set if that's worthwhile.>>122765913I don't wanna speak too soon because maybe it's due to its freshness to me but the M10 Adagio might be the most moving symphonic piece of music I've ever heard, I'm completely enraptured.
>>122765964as well as loving the rest of Cooke's M10 'completion'*
>>122765964there are audio only rips of that DVD floating around. they’re not hard to find.
>>122765988Hmm I been thinking about starting up and keeping an offline digital collection again. Maybe. YouTube Music/streaming is just so convenient now that I've gotten used to it.
now playing:Tannhäuser-Georg Solti (Conductor), Vienna Philharmonic (Orchestra), Rene Kollo (Performer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A6cjmoYBuU&list=OLAK5uy_nNH_GLm3_EC3hqAbi19cm4HaxbFUkN8lw&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNH_GLm3_EC3hqAbi19cm4HaxbFUkN8lw
>>122765964You should look into setting up your own Jellyfin server or something. That's what I do so I can access my music from anywhere. Anyway, here it is if anyone wants the local files. The rip on rutracker of the 1st symphony is fucked up anyways. Personally, I think the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 9th in this cycle are up there with the best. I'll probably upload it on my YouTube channel but it'll likely get a copyright strike.https://litter.catbox.moe/lwy6n0.001https://litter.catbox.moe/xg6xmv.002https://litter.catbox.moe/460bpp.003
>>122766461Decent version but I prefer Barenboim the most for the main tenor
best Bruckner 4 out of these?1. Jochum (Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra)2. Jochum (Berlin Philharmonic)3. Jochum (Concertgebouw Orchestra)4. Böhm (Vienna Philharmonic)5. Klemperer (Philharmonia Orchestra)6. Chailly (Concertgebouw Orchestra)
>>1227674907. Norrington
>>122767490I listened to the Bohm the other day and it blew me away.
>>122767204I used to have an extensive digital collection but one night some years ago, a friend, erm, "destroyed" my laptop in a drunken stupor, so I've been too lazy to rebuild it since. Thank you very much for the upload -- if that much of the cycle is worth listening to, and I'll probably listen to all of it anyway, then it's worth it to finally install a music player on this PC and give them a listen.
last one before bed -- it was between this, the Currentzis 6th, or the Mehta 2nd. sorry for the Mahler spam, my addiction will be cured soon, I hope...
>>122767502impossible
>>122767571how can you say no to this face
>>122767574>that response time>that filenameWhy do you have that saved, lol
>>122767579you don't have a folder of Norrington faces?
>>122767502>>122767584lol
>>122767584I have enough with my Chailly folder.
>>122767611>that thousand yard starewhat did he see
>>122767607Brutal
>>122767640Mozart's poop letters
>>122767574Would it be correct to say that vibrato was used instrumentally but not vocally in the 19th century? People criticise him for his total lack of vibrato, and that's the part I don't quite get, since it's supposed to be accurate. Yeah I know his tempo is awful and total lack of rubato is awful, and everything else he does is awful, but people say 19th century German music never used vibrato. So either they did or didn't.
>>12276812519th century musicians used *less* vibrato, but not no vibrato. A good example of Norrington being a hack is that he cites the 1938 performance of Mahler 9 from Bruno Walter as being an example of an orchestra that still played with no vibrato... you can go and listen to the recording; they use vibrato, just less of it. 19th century musicians also used a lot more portamento than is commonly utilized these days, a few orchestras in the pre-war period, like the Vienna Philarhmonic and the Concertgebouw, still clung onto that tradition until after WWII where that tradition of string playing essentially become lost. String playing of the 19th century could be said to have a greater emphasis on fingering technique rather than bowing. Strangely, though, no HIPster wants to revive portamento, which is kind of funny because that was one of the methods that musicians used to create a natural legato. It's why HIP recordings can sound "choppy" or "clipped" when they totally remove vibrato. Which, by the way, not all HIP recordings do - there are some very talented HIP performers that don't go full retard.We have recordings -- many recordings -- of 19th century musicians where you can hear this difference in string playing. Eugène Ysaÿe:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joCVXF71XQIJoseph Joachim:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fw998QWfcJsJan Kubelik (Rafael Kubelik's dad):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhYAG3T77GQFritz Kreisler:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l43C3bVThgNotice how Ysaÿe, Joachim, and Kubelik all use vibrato mostly for emphasis, and not as a wholesale approach to their string playing. Kreisler is of a slightly later generation, but the sound quality on his recording is much better.Karl Klingler, a Joachim student, also continued his teacher's tradition:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMngc8HbsbE
>>122768283And, by the way, there's virtually no difference with the approach to instruments vs vocals in this regard either. Here's an example of the famous La Donna e Mobile sung by McCormack:https://litter.catbox.moe/kas1cf.mp3Or Feodor Chaliapin singing Madamina:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skA51O99fF0Again, same thing. Less vibrato (but not none) and tons of portamento. Honestly I would have a lot more respect for HIPsters if they actually took up portamento again, but I think most modern performers find it embarrassing or cheesy. It's a shame. Mahler even writes down portamento indications in his scores but most musicians completely fucking ignore it. There's even interviews from musicians that played with Mahler that talk about how important portamento was in his music.
now playing:Faure: Requiem/Pelleas Et Melisande/Pavane-Gabriel Faure (Composer), Charles Dutoit (Conductor), Orchestre Symphonique de Montreal (Orchestra), Kiri Te Kanawa (Performer), Sherrill Milnes (Performer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWG2nesFZcc&list=OLAK5uy_n7qCVY-NCFvu9a1IeXIDmE5A8V1U6sf7k&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n7qCVY-NCFvu9a1IeXIDmE5A8V1U6sf7k>>122768283>>122768361NTA but fascinating, thanks. That Ysaÿe one is especially wonderful playing and immediately got stuck in my head.
>>122768361I have no clue why modern performers just ignore portamento. It just sounds good wtf
>>122767490Böhm.
>>122757547Xenakis Stockhausen Cage
>>122757547RavelMahlerHandel
>>122768736They think it sounds overly sentimental or cheesy. Glissando is more often used now, it's basically a more minimal version of portamento. You don't really hear it in orchestras much at all because it's actually very difficult to do in unison. It's kind of something that needs to be drilled into an orchestra for years by a principal conductor. Mengelberg and the Concertgebouw had a unified string playing style but he also was their dictator for decades. Principal conductors these days are huge sluts, they go back and forward between orchestras and very rarely do they stay with THEIR orchestra for very long. Their tenures are also short. There's basically barely any room for a conductor to establish a personality for an orchestra nowadays, that's why they rely on cheap gimmicks to make themselves stand out.
>>122763105>>122763119I didn't read your essays on me, but good job if you predicted that. To be clear, some black metal is obviously still good, rest of metal just sucks, that's a fact.>>122763098More like pure slop, that's what t(h)rash and trad are
Oh no bros... are we gay? >>122766064
R.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4daNQ2HXiIY&list=PLZfN3CCijC2ee073HDvQF-qMC7uaDHaqS&index=7&pp=iAQB8AUBLugansky's 3rd
>>122769046You’ve clearly left the path of wisdom then hector
>>122753967Is it possible for men to sing like this ? Examples?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J2f-pLI6c8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt1HBun_xREProg is the cancer killing real music, compare and then weep for your trash "genre"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPy82OO6vRghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rzk3x3HZbJI
classical > ragtime > jazz > hiphop > mumble rapIt only takes 4 generations without a total emphasis on intellectual work for genres to fall to commoners.
>>122769752SpottemGottem is the modern Mozart
>>122769776>SpottemGottemDid he even make the beat? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6AzEBvnlYE0>Songwriter(s) >Nehemiah HardenElisner Joseph>Producer(s) Damn ENobody who uses computers to make music will make anything worthwhile unless they can also program at a low level and make their own software.
>>122763757faggot do you not here the massive statics throughout the whole performance?>sound quality is goodFuck off.
>>122753967Is Glenn Gould /ourguy/?. If he was a zoomer/millenial he would 100% post here.
>>122753967>hated concerts>massive introvert>trolled pseudo wankers>wanted to stay in and record instead of perform>overall autistic demeanourIf Glenn Gould was a millenial/zoomer he would 100% shitpost in this thread. I'm surprised he's not /ourguy/
>>122769353Sublime and mesmerizing, just wow.
In Nancy Jordan Fako’s book Philip Farkas and His Horn, the Orchestra’s principal horn recounts the October 14 concert: “One incident that I think is worth repeating is a series of concerts we gave with Reiner in 1958 where we played in New York and several other cities, but the most notable concert was in Boston. This particular concert consisted of an overture by Berlioz, I believe it was the Corsair, and I know it was the Brahms Third Symphony, and after intermission we did [Strauss’s] Ein Heldenleben. The concert started off brilliantly, as the Berlioz would require, but as the concert progressed, it became apparent that we were about to give a flawless performance. Nothing happened! There were no cracked notes, no bad entrances, no bad intonation. Nothing! Nothing out of perfection! It went on and on, till the middle of Ein Heldenleben we all began to realize that were giving the perfect performance. And that is when the tension began mounting, much the same as the pitcher realizes in the eighth inning that he has a perfect no-hitter in the making, where each pitch becomes even more intense. At any rate, we finished the concert. It was an absolutely flawless production, even with Heldenleben. The audience was amazed and we were awed in our own ability. And as we came offstage, I saw Reiner standing in the wings at Symphony Hall in Boston and he was shaking hands with each and every musician as they came out. It finally came to my turn to shake hands and I noticed that Dr. Reiner was crying with tears running down his face, so I took the liberty to ask him why. He answered, ‘Well, we just had a perfect concert. All my life I have waited for a perfect concert and tonight we had one.’ Well, we all got backstage and everyone was elated. It was like we had just won the World Series. And who came backstage but Arthur Fiedler who had been in the audience, and he was shouting, ‘You’re not men, you’re gods.’ “
>>122770339Nice read, thanks.
>>122767568This one started very, very well but slowly descends into overindulgence, climaxing in the 4th movement into an unlistenable mess. I guess that's to be expected with Barbirolli.
>>122767490bohm obviously>>122767502LMFAO>>122767568one of the worst recordings of mahler 6 ever>>122770011>>122770033you made the same post twice, gould ghoul
>>122766461There's a surprisingly good filmed version of Tannhauser in 78 Bayreuth.
>>122765403I don't like the fast tempo from Solti honestly. Barenboim however did a fantastic Rienzi. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORzpoqyP0Go
>>122771496unfathomably repugnant
Got some Rachmaninoff vodka out of Lidl
>>122771304If Glen posted here he’d sound exactly like you
>>122767490Kabasta
>>122771066I was wondering if orchestra players make mistakes so I came upon that-
Is there such a thing as a Serialist Fugue
>>122770033His playing is very shitty. He ruined literally every single piefe by every single composer.
>>122771918Laughably wrong
>>122772059https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMZdvcLHIQk&list=OLAK5uy_kska5vP67DrFGx5fBvVUti5EIubbUdOa0&index=2defend this
>>122772128So refreshing to hear unique interpretations.
>>122772128What’s to defend? It’s excellent-
np>>122771304>one of the worst recordings of mahler 6 everI could honestly barely recognize what I was listening to halfway through it was so out-of-control and over-the-top.
>>122772158>>122772293It's fucking garbage lol. Easily his worst, get some taste, god...
now playing:start of Symphony No. 6 in B Minor, Op. 74 "Pathétique":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPjQXMcoa6s&list=OLAK5uy_m5txNZe83QRu78ECw-wNrUwDAbRiri4zA&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m5txNZe83QRu78ECw-wNrUwDAbRiri4zAReally excited for this one, there is massive hype behind it.
>>122772528it's a very exciting and dramatic performance for sure
>>122770339I was hoping for something like "Reiner slapped someone for making a mistake" or "the audience was noisy and ruined the performance".
Horowitz's Rach 3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHbf1CSUFvIHe looks like an old goblin wizard from cartoons lol. His fingers are also look kinda strange, twisted when he plays. Also funny and charminghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-6ANvUhawM
>It's fucking garbage lol. Easily his worst, get some taste, god...
stupid question but i'm unclear how exactly a piece of music can be 'sardonic' or 'ironic.' i've seen those words used to describe music from mahler and shostokovich, for example, and i don't get it; how can music be mocking or derisive or sarcastic? and what's it mocking!?
>>122772901Added this recording and will be listening to it shortly, thank you. Love Ormandy and Horowitz and Rach, so all of them together ought to be a stupendous treat.
Personally I don't get music can be witty, I've heard Glen Gould say it sometimes. Are people really sitting and chuckling to themselves hearing a piano piece?
>>122773017that too, yeah. 'humorous' moments or movements, like what?? and like you said, are people actually laughing in reaction to these supposed parts, or is it more just an internal 'a-ha!'? and furthermore, does that mean these parts are intentionally bad or something? i don't get it.
>>122773017I chuckled when I heard Bach's Orchestral Suite 2: VIII.
Revisiting some of the earliest Mahler recordings I listened to when I was first getting into his works now that I am immensely familiar with it all is granting me greater appreciation of these masterful recordings and see them in a whole new light. I suppose that's the case with any composer's discography but with how expansive each work of Mahler's is, each their 'own universe,' it's even more the case, as it takes a few listens to find one's footing and eventually map out the multitudes of byways of ideas and themes and achieve the bird's eye view. Kinda a useless post, suppose I just wanted to say it's nice to finally understand the high acclaim of these recordings and enjoy them in full.
Does anyone hate MEHler? I just as hell do, literally 0 memorable melodies, I'm not sure why he even bothered to make music at all.
>>122773237I don't care about jewish composers or conductors at all.
>>122771743average slave (alcoholic and retarded)>>122771752if gould posted here i wouldn’t. >>122771758do hisstards actually>>122772059>>122772158>>122772293>>122772905gould ghouls will defend literally anything by their sperglord king>>122772339that describes almost everything barbirolli ever conducted. what a fucking hack.
>>122773499Thank you for sharing your opinions sisterposter, insightful as always
Arthur Honigger - Pacific 231 Mouvement symphonique No. 1 (1923)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS6XAjd-9h8&ab_channel=BartjeBartmans
>>122773694thank you schizo sister
>>122773811yOU'RE WELcome sister sister
I made this.
>>122770033he'd be our guy if he could, you know, play music
>>122771777I'd love to hear one
>>122774336But he was clearly WAY better than anyone here and more articulate
>>122774415>than anyone here That's not at all impressive lol.He was a hack compared to great pianists of both his and current era.
>>122774415you know what? I don't even think he was better than "anyone here". I bet you there are Anons that could play particular pieces better than he could, especially if it's a Mozart sonata (his recordings are unlistenable).
>>122774457>>122774442Unless there's professional concert pianists who can quote countless pieces from memory posting here I doubt it
>>122768518lovely pieces by Faure, unfortunately like Mozart, his music goes over peoples heads.
>>122774683As opposed to what? Their stomach?
>>122774457>Mozart sonata (his recordings are unlistenable).Holy shit 8th is so bad I turned it off in 10 seconds. Glenn doesn't understand the piano, or Mozart, or music at all.
>>122774892Yep
Sokolov has the best Mozart 8th sonata btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKs1WpMJ0X8
let's get SLOW
>>122774415>>122774550goud ghouls retarded as always>>122775076really one of the most insufferable
>>122775143>really one of the most insufferableYeah I might change off of it, there's something off about the singing, both chorus and soloists, and of course the tempo is even more jarring than I thought.
>>122775166bohm may be one of the worst conductors from his generation of classical era repertoire.
>>122775278Why? I like his Mozart's symphonies.
>>122775351intolerably turgid
>>122775351Same, and piano concertos.
>>122775384>[interpreter/conductor] is racind>why?>excellent question sisterand so forth
don't know what to listen to so let's give Sibelius' symphonies another trystart of Symphony No. 3 in C, Op. 52:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM_gSu2_hCs&list=OLAK5uy_kKax3UQiIDGykMHaMuGPNugP87f0W8Wi0&index=12https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kKax3UQiIDGykMHaMuGPNugP87f0W8Wi0Might listen to the 6th and 4th afterwards as well.
>>122775454it do be like that
>>122775429his piano concerti are less bad, but only on the merits of his performers, not his interpretation>>122775454absurdly retarded
>>122775454Lol this
lesson of the day: apparently /classical/ doesn’t know the meaning of the word turgid.
Sisterposter is useful because if he says a recording is bad it's usually good
>>122775843comically moronic
>>122775769>his piano concerti are less badDidn't you say only Szell Mozart concertos can be taken seriously? Lol
>>122775843Usually, yes. But thag's why you should completely ignore him, he doesn't actually make sense USUALLY, his takes are arbitrary and nonsensial. Even broken clock is right twice a day.
>>122775914he is baby duck syndrome personified. once he hears a recording and imprints on it he can't into anything else
>>122775914literally when? i haven’t even heard most of szell’s mozart piano concerti (i greatly enjoy the ones i have though). >>122775968literal nonsense>>122775976but enough about you.
>>122775990https://desuarchive.org/mu/thread/121999563/#122026433>fleisher szell, serkin szell, curzon szell. it is hard to take anyone else’s mozart seriously.
>>122776000kek sisterposter BTFO
>>122776000i implied that most other recordings of the mozart pc were shit, yes. i did not say that only szell was legitimate. >>122776012delusional as always
>>122776019>it is hard to take anyone else’s mozart seriously.>anyone else’s mozart seriously.Am I reading it wrong or are you extremely delusional
>>122776059>it is hard>not impossibleyou are reading it wrong. plus, szell is missing over half the concerti even among all 3 pianists. it’s not like they magically become unlistenable because of the lack of his baton.
>>122776088It is hard implies no other recordings can be taken seriously with ease, literally.You are backpedalling on your original statement now.
>>122776301>it is hard impliesoh, i’m dealing with an ESL. that explains everything.
>>122776336Cope
>>122776336Better be an ESL than from anglosphere
>>122776341hardly, ESL or otherwise is plenty relevant in a conversation >>122776363>better beholy fucking ESL
>>122776407>holy fucking ESLThank god
Now Playing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4xrK0kv2TY&list=OLAK5uy_kfncadp-ZGn_ooVFo5gq1jngVbIMzk52g&index=10
>>122776407You are just backpedalling on what you said here >>122776000 sisterposter.
>>122776420>thank god i’m a third world illiterate retard/classical/ is in dire straights these days. >>122776435you are just illiterate, full stop.
>>122776444>thank god i’m a third world illiterate retardI'm not from JEWSA though
>>122776433Very cute and charming recording.
>>122776455don’t have to be an amerimutt to be a turdie worldie, ESL
>>122776505Yes you do.
>>122776564>>122776564>>122776564New thread
>>122776538>like youBut enough about yourself
>>122776574i’m not the one who struggles with basic grammar, ranjeet
>>122776602You seem to be.
>>122776626a lot of things seem to be to you that are obviously false. such is the life of a schizo.
