Who here plays em?What you got?Favourite artists/Favourite songs?
Recently discovered Mike Dean's stuff, great producer too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB5idPQqV9M&t=1086s&ab_channel=RollingLoudPlughttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCvO1qGD60E&ab_channel=ConverseWithMe
>tfw no TONTO synthesizer
>>122888358if you wanted to patch something from the left side to the right would you have to duck under the cables to get out?
>>122888037
>>122888764
I like the idea of synthesizers, but I don't have enough autism to do more than play some MIDI into them while cycling through presets.
>>122888207you don't need all that shit just to make ooga booga fried chicken music, not like the normies listening to it will care anyways
>>122888037i have a roland alpha juno 2 mostly use it as a midi controller for software synths and drum tracks but it’s got some nice tricks up its sleeve so i record it directly too i’d love to become a synth nerd and get all the cool vintage ones but i ain’t got the space (or money in most cases) for them
>>122889434>roland alpha juno 2>cool vintage onesnice, rolands are cool. i'd recommend you grab an old school jupiter if you can find one that isn't too expensive. they're pretty fun, as long as you don't mind midi-modding them.
>>122888358im waiting for the Behringer clone
>>122889520yeah jupiter’s been on my radar. luv roland. there’s also this cool fucking 70s yamaha string machine that i’ve been pining over https://youtu.be/D-cXBtsguvg?feature=shared
>>122889550when's this shit coming out. also, should i sell neutron and get proton when it comes out?
>>122889599proton doesnt have a noise source or s&h, i would keep the neutron honestly. as far as the enigma goes, maybe look into the tiptop buchla stuff? pricier for sure but you will get much better system that's more to your liking, unless you really want a normalized signal path
>>122889594that sounds badass. i've played a few old yamaha synths that were designed to sit on top of organs, never managed to pick one up, sadly.https://www.youtube.com/@AlexBallMusichttps://www.alexballmusic.com/system100mcheck out this guy, he's a big roland nerd with lots of the keyboards, but also their modular systems if that interests you
>>122889673tiptop buchla modules aren't normalized?
>>122889673thing i don't like about the neutron is you have to midi in if you want to use their software controller at the same time as feeding it midido you think it's laziness or is that sort of throughput just not possible over usb?
>>122889703the tiptop buchla stuff is fully modular, though I'm not quite sure about the 259t with that ART crap they're trying to throw in.>>122889720can't help you there, I never used the software when I had my neutron. I doubt behringer support would be much help but it's worth a try
>>122889419Quantum and Iridium by Waldorf are on my wishlist
>>122889675Bro made some GOAT documentaries on music companies
>>122889762holy hardware derangement syndrome seethe
>>122889753you are mentally ill>>122889720what do you mean? i used to plug usb only and it worked
>>122889769i mean feeding midi from a daw at the same time as using picrel>>122889599>>122889743do you rate banana jack stuff highly? i've been looking at this muffwiggler thread and was thinking i should dip my toes in the water this christmas when shit goes on sale: https://modwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1872
>>122889795for me it works when i open app first, and then daw
>>122889816thanks anon, i'll give that a try
>>122889675dope. yeah i’m familiar with him, watched his vid on the AJ2 before i picked one up. he seems knowledgeable. never saw that documentary the other guy mentioned but i’ll have to check it out too
>>122889833you should, it's link rel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcbpRMZIQ8g
>>122889795no personal experience with banana stuff, beyond researching the modern buchla modules which all look and sound fantastic of course. be prepared for whatever you're looking for to be out of stock for long periods of time
>>122890019>>122888358what's even a point behind setups this big?
incredibly underrated synth to start off this trackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14AMkIZh4RYeven crazier synthhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_7LU7g4zKc
>>122890051nice, i've heard air but never buffalo daughter
I loved how The Cars used the synth. Wish they influenced more bands
ahhhhhh.... that's betterlet me put my feet up
https://youtu.be/hUT01p-C2xo
a really nice anon on here bought me a microkorg xl. no joke. was in a synth thread like this and we started talking about synths we used to own but sold and regretted. he asked to hear some of my music. apparently he liked it, cause he paypal'd me money the next week to buy it. God bless you anon. i've been using it a LOT. gonna drop some crazy stuff coming soonsorry if pic is rotated wrong, dropbox is gay
>>122890723damn, you're lucky
>>122890829you don't gotta tell me that. i only have like 20 fans, but those 20 people are crazy die hard.
thoiughts on mackie 1604? should i get one for 200$?
>>122891437yes, mackie mixers sound great and are built like fucking tanks
>>122891437If you've got the space it's alright. Personally I like longer sliders.
>>122891526>>122891467how are mute buttons? do they stick?
>>122891544i don't have that model but mine have never had issues. if there are problems im sure mackie support will help you out, i've heard they're great.
>>122891437Yes. They are great.
>>122889795>do you rate banana jack stuff highly?a serge system would be my ultimate synth fantasy.entirely useless though, but every single noise and fart it does sounds high class, a world in itself. the only thing i can think of that computer emulation never even came close to (cpu can't into analog feedback)
>>122890030The bgger the synth the bigger the sound
what are some cheap but useful eurorack modules?
>>122890723that's awesome!can you post some of your music here?
Anyone own one of these? im looking at buying one but cant decide if the minilogue XD might be better
>>122897390sure. it's not everyone's cup of tea. here's a newer song i'm working on that uses the microkorg pretty heavilyhttps://vocaroo.com/14hoOLRCLW1j
>>122897591cool, not what i was expecting at all but sounds really well donedid you record/play everything yourself?
>>122897651yes. guitars, bass, vocals, keys, etc are all me. drums are programmed.
>>122897560i own a monologue i barley use it just get the minilogue. i wanted the mini but it was out my price range.
>>122897560i spent 500 on a used one back in the day, absolute workhorse. top synth.
>>122897560i never played an XD but i had a minilogue for a while. is a good synthdont like minikeys though
>>122897877oh minilogue has minikeys ? i thought it was regular size damn that sucks
>>122897919that's why it's called the minilogue it sounds nice though. the filter is standard, waveshaper is good, you can send envelope to the waveshaper amount, and you can do some creative stuff with the sequencer and the modwheel mapping
>>122897919>>122898005it's got individually addressable midi CC, which is pretty sweet. i tend to use the keys to fuck around with random melodies, then just save the midi, quantize it and adjust the melody as required. from there, i fuck with all the paramters in ableton or whatever.
>>122897560they're $900 ozziebux new at the moment, but you can pick them up for half that through online marketplaces. was my first synth and i still use it nearly every time i sit down to record or sketch out melodies.
>>122898069>individually addressable midi CCi dont even know what this is
The only genuine synth I've every played was an Microbrute but I liked it a lot and I was very disappointed when I pulled it out a couple months ago and discovered it's busted. I kind of want to get a new synth but I don't have any clue what to get. I can't afford a Prophet but I kind of want one. It's tawlf, b.
I own a microkorg but im not great at creating voices, subtractive synth is a bit overload and the microkorg menu/controls are a bit challengingwish I had bought a different first Synth honestly
>>122888037I got 3 Elektrons: OT, A4, Dtone, Korg Modwave, Roland system8, Waldorf Blofeld a Sonicware elz_1 and a Behringer k2
>>122898874thats a lot of gear, which do you play the most?
I just want a sub phatty so bad, bros.
>>122898968if i ever buy a moog, it's gotta be pic rel for methe rme voyager is just such a sexy piece of gear
>28 posts in the last 12 hours lmfao holy shit
>>122894813i might be able to get a set of serge modules, although only a small onewhat about buchla?https://youtu.be/9i5bbadNXtM
>>122899087>buchlamy synth waifus synth of choice
>>122898955Technically, the OT is the centerpiece. I use it as a sampler for drums and play the rest of the gear alternating its MIDI sequencer and my controller keyboard. For signals I have a MIDI hub that is an absolute blessing and a Behringer mixer.Musically I don't use every synth / track in every song. I usually assign roles beforehand. For example: DT for drums, k2 for lead, Blofeld for pads, etc. Number of voices goes inversely proportional to song complexity, so that each synth's voice can be as fat as possible within the mix. The opposite case would be a song with fewer pieces of gear; just the OT and the A4 for example. In that case I go for more notes and less silence.
>>122899178https://youtu.be/kYxheEGl2oMfor me, it's Hélène Vogelsinger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0vrsO3_HpU&ab_channel=RanunculusAcrisone of my fav synth albums
4u is best u
>>122899737what is it?
I bought a nice poly synth for 2k usd and it sounds way worse than uhe diva which is a fucking plugin
>>122888207mike deans a legend
>>122899779minilogue is a good choice>>122897560
For me it's the classic DX7. All you really need for sample-free vaporwave.
>>122901539I dion't see yamaha synths talked about much, what makes this one standout for you?
what's a good poly synth with more than 4 voices and knob per function? i was looking at novation peak, but they are kind of expensive
>>122901892whats your price range?
>>122901867it revolutionized music
>>122902300600-800 second hand would be nice
>>122896909ochd, frap tools 321 and 333, pretty much anything by doepfer. honestly just go through the most popular modules on modulargrid and see what people are using. also dont grab something because it's cheap and popular, think about what you need and go from there. be wary of behringer modules>>122901892hydrasynth maybe? not quite knob per function but it may as well be, best UI on a synth that I've used.
>>122897560Trash, go pick up a minibrute 2s for the same price second hand
>>122901539The best thing about Dx7 is that it's been expertly curated through the decades by so many people making and sharing many great ROMs for it.
>>122901892wait for the Behringer Jupiter 8 / Juno 60 clones
>>122888037have:access virus TI, Korg Prophecy / Karma / Z1 / Monolog, Novation Supernova / Ultranova / Basstation2, Dreadbox Erebus mk3 / Typhon / Nyx mk2, IK Uno synth Pro. Roland SH101 / SH32 + a bunch of vintage samplers.
>>122904619hows the virus vs everything else? sounds insanely good in demos but i've not had the chance to try one in person
>>122889434>i have a roland alpha juno 2>i’d love to become a synth nerd and get all the cool vintage onesThe alpha juno 2 is a cool vintage synth bro.>>122891437>thoiughts on mackie 1604?the old CR models distort real nice & are useful sound design tools but have way too high a noise floor for any actual mixing. >>122897560>Anyone own one of these? im looking at buying one but cant decide if the minilogue XD might be betterDO NOT waste your time on a normal minilog, the XD is MUCH better and you can install extra third party digital synths & effects on them expanding them further. No reason at all to get a regular minilog these days.>>122897742>i own a monologue i barley use it just get the minilogueThe monolog has a completely different and much better filter than the minilog. Makes quite a big difference to their sound.
>>122904667The virus TI is a fucking beast. I was lucky & got one before the prices started getting silly, still holds its own as one of the best VA's ever made (the supernova is up there too). I have the desktop version, its super comfy to write with on your lap having every control right there. built like a tank, would never sell mine.
>>122898968i missed you bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWX4BkK-goU
>>122904731>but have way too high a noise floor for any actual mixing.really? i read people used it because it was cheap and quiet
>>122897560Minilogue is great. It has a unique sound and will probably be fondly remembered as one of the classic synths of this era. XD is probably better, but I have the regular one and no complaints. I use pedals and plugins for effects, so I don't miss the onboard effects at all.
keep it alive /synth/bros. post a vocaroo of a nice patch or work in progress
>>122888037Got a Korg Prologue which I love. it takes me to places no soft synth or acoustic instrument can.
>>122897560if going the 'logue route get the prologue >>122909748, or get the module versión and get a nicer keyboard like a Roland A500 Pro or something. Minikeys suck, a friend has it and I often miss notes. Otherwise an amazing and expandable 4 voice poly.
>>122901892Korg Prologue, the peak is amazing aprrently too, just need a seprate great keyboard. See >>122909748
is there any hardware fm synth like ableton's operator? it's probably my favourite synth. ableton in general has great stuff, i barely use vsts
>>122909784>'logue route>mfw
Ableon Drift. Simple as. All these low test consoomers don't know how to make music so they just shop and make "textures"
>>122910214what's the point of buying and learning a guitar? nowadays you can emulate guitar realistically with vsts
>>122907463>really? i read people used it because it was cheap and quietyou heard wrong. The CR's were a staple of late 90's dnb/hardcore/gabber because the analog clipping sounded really brutal when you overdrive the channels. They were the last Mackie mixers that did that before they changed to the vlz models & started making them in Asia (cr's were the last mackies to be made in the US). Any of the later vlz models are MUCH cleaner/quieter but lack any character for soundshaping. Probably what you are after as they are still very cheap used. Also, beware of any used mackie that has been sitting in storage for a long time, the internal ribbon cable dies & the channels die one by one, you need to replace the ribbon in that case which can be a pain in the ass. Its a well known fault with older mackie mixers to be aware of. Any vlz or later mackie shouldn't have that problem .
>>122910348i don't know that anyone's accurately made an xfer nerve style .vst that accurately emulates advanced level guitar techniques, so yeah, you can probably pass something off as a decent guitar recording in a song, but it's the same as comparing a strings plugin/sample pack to a recording of a philharmonic string section
>>122910348Real instruments will never be emulated
>>122912615what is physical modeling
I'm a noob to synths. I've discovered the Oberheim eight voice. I see there is a software emulation (GForce OB-E) of this analog synth. I am tempted to buy it. However, it seems that it (and the real thing) are nothing more than 16 oscillators strewn together, grouped with filters. It also seems that most synth vsts only play a handful of oscillators. Is the ability to play a large number of oscillators at the same time unique to this analog synth emulator? Are there any vsts that can play large numbers of oscillators and arbitrarily assign filters to groups of oscillators?
>>122913053Just pirate it?Most synths don't offer a high oscillator count because there's no real need. If you need more oscillators, you can always run multiple copies of a VST in parallel, which is essentially what the OB-E is doing, in just a more convenient form.
>>122913223Why is there no real need?
>>122913247Oscillators are limited by your ability to control them. The majority of people don't have individual note control as an option, for this you need some fancy MPE setup that lets you modulate every note you play on the fly. Traditional MIDI design is that you modulate all your notes at once with a mod wheel or pitch bends. Let's say you want to adjust filter cut-off on the fly, you turn one knob and apply it to every oscillator. This is actually a hassle on something like the 8 voice, because you had to turn 8 knobs if you weren't playing unison.The only real use case for multiple oscillators is to increase polyphony, or the number of notes you can play at the same time. The reason high oscillator counts aren't more common is because they're more expensive, and most people don't really need high polyphony, your typical synth line is pretty monophonic. Modern VSTs often have additional oscillators for extra voices, but you can't adjust them individually because there's no real point in doing so due to control limitations. I believe that digital VSTs and synths typically use a different method to achieve extremely high polyphony, while the 8 voice was analog, and to achieve polyphony on an analog synth, you needed to essentially multiply the circuitry 8 times.
>>122913503nigger this is so wrong & generally retarded i dont even know where to start. You have no concept of parameter automation, which can be done by a huge amount of simultaneous sources, in a huge amount of ways. a great deal of synthesis is based around the multiple ways oscillators can modulate eachother when stacked (pulsewidth modulation, cross mod, frequency modulation just for starters). a single mod wheel can be set up to change 30+ parameters at the same time if you set it up to. there are hundreds of synthesizers which go way above 8 voices of polyphony. The limit with VST's is CPU power to emulate them, which is why a lot of times dedicated hardware hasnt been emulated yet as cpu's just dont have the balls to accurately emulate them. look at the supernova for example, it has 3 oscillators plus 2 sub oscillators per voice. Each voice can have 9 effects running simultaneously on top. And that motherfucker has 44 voice polyphony, so 220 oscillators can run at once, with 396 effects at the same time (if you feel like programming a patch that complex of course, and people have). Shit like that is why CPU's still have a hard time dealing with emulating a lot of synths.>122913053>>122913247Ignore that guy. The OB-e is great starting point to learn synthesis so go for it, but if you want to buy it legit, wait for it to show up cheap in a Humble bundle, gforce have been putting a few of their synths in the audio bundles on there & its by far the cheapest way to get them. maybe check out a different type of synthesis with lots of voices like a wavetable or FM to see the differences. For starters get vital to try wavetable, its free & good.
>>122913944Automation isn't true control. Sure, you can set up 30 oscillators to all respond to a single source, but the complexity of this is severely limited. It's the very definition of diminishing returns, because at the end of the day, you're only really modulating between 2 different sound profiles. 4 if you've got something like an XY pad.Per note modulation is the only real justification for large oscillator counts, so you can make a shitty sounding drum set with mostly static modulation, or make an awful racket with MPE.Complex oscillator stacks are only useful to a point. You can't just keep adding more oscillators and go "well this is better now, because I have more controls I can assign to my fucking mod wheel at once".
>>122913053just check rutracker. you shouldn't buy anything as a begginer
>>122913944This is excellent, thank you very much.
>>122914445>Automation is literally a means to control parameters over time.No, it's a means to give the appearance of parameter control. Yes, you can twiddle one knob and it'll twiddle 20 other knobs at varying rates. But you're still only twiddling one knob. You can control a sound with aftertouch, but you're still just controlling the whole sound unless you have poly aftertouch. All synth assignment wankery is an attempt to emulate true expression due to the limitations of the MIDI standard and the low quality parts found in most synths. I mean, it's 2024 and poly aftertouch isn't even considered the bare minimum yet, and that's been around since the 80s.
>>122911604are there any newer mackies with separate outs?i was initially looking at 1202vlz4, but they have stereo outs
>>122914480mod deleted my reply for some reason...Wtf are you trying to say? automation IS the fundamental method of controlling multiple parameters at the same time, not the 'appearance' of. I cant work out what the fuck you are trying to explain but it isnt anything that makes any fucking sense . You dont seem to understand what aftertouch is, start rambling about quality which has nothing to do with anything being discussed & you just sound like a clueless retard. Im done.
https://youtu.be/FvSIJ-9Z8HY?si=eLdXpOvhES2i5eJ7
>>122901539What's the point of getting a DX7 when instead you could just use Dexed? If you want a hardware synth you could just use a Volca FM2, it's compatible with DX7 patches anyway and sounds really damn close. Is it just for nerd cred?
>>122899761MODULAR CANADA>>122899087buchla is the kino, serge is cinema, both good but serge more open and molecular, buchla bit more about that iconic lpg sound, however you can twist stuff. protip: get serge, and get 208
>>122919866it looks fantastic. keybed is amazing.
>>122910124logs you say?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVkst4kG0X0
>>122921708oh fuck off, Ben is great. let's see you then :)
>>122921708ewwwwwisnt that divkid or something. fat fuck piece of shit. bet he cant find his dick when going to pee LOL.
how to harness autistic energy to be as productive as LMNC?the guy's a veritable fucking whirlwind
>sh101 died last week>res stuck at max on all settings, unplayable>find random slider i bought like 8 years ago just sitting in some box>it's the exact one i need>open it up and unsolder the old slider and put the new one in>don't even know if the slider was the problem>plug it in>like new againsometimes things just work out
>>122888037are synthesizer plugins the same thing? Like if i master a synth plugin on a DAW will i know real synth automatically?
>>122923042no. if all you care about is sound there's no difference anymore
>>122922892just solder shit?
>>122923042probably. synth is a method. you master a substractive you already mastered all substractives be it virtual or hardware. but theres many methods and hybrid methods also.
>>122923163hmm
>>122922973nice one
>>122909784>>122909796why the seperate keyboard?
>>122923138
Wilhelm Scream on my synthhttps://voca.ro/1kCGSgK7n4L8
>>122924808sounds great
>>122924808not the wilhelm scream i was expecting
>>122924189it's a desktop synth.Also, can someone recommend a cheap soldering iron? Lead is also the best solder right?
for me it's diva and serumhardware synths are for retarded gay faggots unfortunately.
>>122926666checked quadsfor soldering advice, try the /ohm/ general on https:boards.4chan.org/diy/
>>122891437What do you do with this? You send like 3 synths into 3 different channels and then out to speakers?
>>122898968>he still hasn't got the sub phatty;_;
a cool thread on pg. 8? i think i will bump
>>122927333You can do many things with a mixer. Also consider drum machines with independent outputs
>>122891437what is the point of this? do you really need 16 channnels? why not just get an 8 channel preamp and connect with adat
>>122889434PLEASE do yourself a favor and get a controller for it the AJ2. There's an ipad app that's decently cheap. The official Roland controller is hard to find, but if you have $600 to spare, I have one of these and fucking love it. https://retroaktivsynthesizers.com/products/mpg-50-programmer-for-roland-alpha-juno-1-2-and-mks-50pair this thing with a pedal and you'll have one of the most expressive synths you can get. The envelope has so many fucking stages and the filter is one of my favorites. It's criminal that you only get the wheel to work with because there's so much you can do with it when you don't have to worry about menu diving.
>>122888037i got an fm7, a behringer 303, 808, and a deepmind 6, and desu, i like my software better.
>>122924808>>122924926Sounds digital to me. I've played analog all my life so I know digital when I hear it. That harsh cold sterile sound.
>>122930641Who knew that when you buy cheap crap it sounds worse than software.
>>122930641>>122931896you're both idiots
>>122929289because i need 16 channels, yes. and i want to use faders, mute buttons and send tracks
>>122889599I asked my Sweetwater guy and there’s not even a SKU yet (there oftentimes are, even for shit that won’t be out for a looong time)I’m so excited tho, I’m not dropping $5k on an Easel or building a stupid Tiptop modular system. I’ve been having so much fun with the Arturia Easel and would love a physical form
>>122898968The sub phatty is so dumb. Most of its parameters are hidden behind shift functions
Won a soma synth recently. Are they good? Maybe will do a whole album with it idk
>>122933160Yes. Vlad Kreimer does great work
>>122921708how does he have electricity in swamp?
since you guys cant be ARSED to post SHIT, ill be posting SHIT later, first i gotta tidy up this fucign place
>>122934093huh
>>122934721what a bunch of wank
>>122934721this fag namedropping brands and shit, dont know what he wants to communicate
>>122934721Zoomers will never understand what a real analog synth sounds like. They're so used to the sound of digital crap, or subpar chinese fakes that they get offended when someone speaks the truth.
i just own this one
>>122937156Bought a microkorg for market price. I think I am supposed to get a drum pad with it or something because it's hard to get the arpeggiator on the second LFO to do anything interesting to play on.Otherwise have a Roland ep-7Wish it was structured like this because it's hard to look over the top sometimes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ESrLagAx0
>>122934721People should stop timbre-wanking and just enjoy the fact that even a simple VA synth with a zoom pedal gives you an insane amount of available expressions.Honestly I have discussed my Blofeld with jazz, prog and metal musicians and they all appreciate the hell out of it even after delivering great performances on their Sub-37's MS-20's and Prophets. Synths are meant to be enjoyed. Your audience will notice if you enjoy your instrument.
Synthesis is gay, physical modelling is where it's at. I just play Pianoteq all day.
What modular cases fit within carry-on luggage requirements for airlines?
>>122934721>>122935504jesus christ how i hate these faggots. just make music dude
>>122913944>but if you want to buy it legit, wait for it to show up cheap in a Humble bundleI've given up on the OB-E. Now I've tried the demo of the OB-X and I've made a patch that I really like.Here's a sample: https://voca.ro/123nzi3SlWCoRight now it's on sale for 70 pounds, down from 100. 70 pounds equates to 90 USD, it seems.Do the humble bundles discount the price more than this? I'm genuinely thinking of buying this.>>122914288I would, but I don't pirate executables any more.
>>122939058>I don't pirate executables any more.The wording here makes you sound like a fucking retard. Sorry you're too stupid to avoid viruses, enjoy paying more money for a worse product.
