The Beatles 15.5mQueen 15.2mRed Hot Chili Peppers 13.7mAC/DC 13.5mMichael Jackson 11.7mFleetwood Mac 11.4mNirvana 11.4mElton John 11.1mMetallica 11.0mCreedence Clearwater Revival 10.3mGreen Day 9.7mDeftones 9.6mBob Marley & The Wailers 9.5mRadiohead 9.5mABBA 9.2mThe Rolling Stones 8.0m2Pac 7.7mBilly Joel 7.7mGuns N' Roses 7.6mThe Smiths 7.5m(only includes artists who had a significant share of their success pre-2000, so no Eminem, Britney...etc)
zero solo guitarists but 2 solo piano players. kek
>>122900935Is it possible to know the most streamed songs by artist tho so to also compare
>>122900935What platforms anyway?
>>122900935>born in le wrong generation>right generation listens to Queen and RHCP without irony
>>122901357all audio platforms
>>122901340you mean the #1 song for each artist?
>>122900935>Radiohead>The Smiths>no Pink Floyd
>>122901697the austrian was right
> Queen why?
>>122900935this is completetly made up bullshit lel
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>>122901928sorry Rog, you had a good run though!
>>122900935The Beatles, the Smiths, the Stones, and Nirvana, and Deftones are the only good artists here. Sad!
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>>122904834>The Beatles, the Stonesstrange way to spell Radiohead and 2Pac but ok
>>122902759Pumpkins 3.9m, decent but I wouldn't expect zoomettes to like them
>>122901697Pink Floyd is elevator music. Only Boomers who spent the 70s stoned out of their minds were impressed with that shit.
>>122905047nah they were very popular with genx and millennials too (DSOTM sold more in the 90s than in the 70s for example), I guess The Wall was less popular with millennials but zoomers are the first gen to not care much for them, maybe something to do with their music not being playlist-friendly
>>122905501Yeah, their records sold well into the 90s, but mostly because shit was being remastered and repackaged like crazy, and Boomers ate it up. I don't know many people under 50 who ever get into Floyd. Just those girls who pretended to like them, so they could say they're not like all the other girls (who listened to Green Day or whatever).
>>122901498number one or perhaps even like top 3 or something
>>122900935Are Deftones really more streamed than Korn?
>>122906130twice more, Korn get 5m a day, Limp Bizkit 4.9m... Deftones blew up on tiktok a couple years ago
>>122905797positive opinions on Pink Floyd according to yougov:Boomers 66%GenX 69%Millennials 64%random opposite example, Neil Diamond:Boomers 78%GenX 61%Millennials 53%
>>122906112why not, these are just Spotify numbers though, add 70% or so for other platforms:The BeatlesHere Comes The Sun 1,041,222Twist And Shout 439,992Yesterday 414,862QueenDon't Stop Me Now 1,179,085Another One Bites The Dust 947,231Bohemian Rhapsody 911,463RHCPCan't Stop 1,040,615Under the Bridge 1,010,538Californication 973,293AC/DCHighway to Hell 1,357,228You Shook Me All Night Long 1,319,923Thunderstruck 1,270,793Michael JacksonBillie Jean 1,026,139Beat It 732,478Rock with You 552,619Fleetwood MacDreams 1,244,348Everywhere 706,277The Chain 637,662NirvanaSmells Like Teen Spirit 1,074,968Come As You Are 818,752Heart-Shaped Box 818,314Elton JohnCold Heart - PNAU Remix 1,228,644I'm Still Standing 1,040,116Rocket Man (I Think It's Going To Be A Long, Long Time) 608,337MetallicaEnter Sandman 889,000Nothing Else Matters 589,404Master of Puppets 515,516CCRHave You Ever Seen The Rain 1,524,543Fortunate Son 1,212,453Bad Moon Rising 767,773
Green DayWhen I Come Around 765,339Basket Case 614,884American Idiot 527,963DeftonesChange (In the House of Flies) 428,634My Own Summer (Shove It) 368,010Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away) 318,264Bob MarleyCould You Be Loved 779,062Three Little Birds 685,300Is This Love 477,729RadioheadCreep 1,215,157No Surprises 644,219Karma Police 326,148ABBADancing Queen 1,135,901Gimme! Gimme! Gimme! (A Man After Midnight) 533,883Mamma Mia 448,324The Rolling StonesPaint It, Black 937,985Start Me Up 396,677(I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 360,2552PacCalifornia Love 520,574Hit 'Em Up 433,910All Eyez On Me (ft. Big Syke) 329,550(Ambitionz Az A Ridah used to be #1, fuck zoomers)Billy JoelUptown Girl 1,186,930Vienna 834,690Piano Man 441,573GNRSweet Child O' Mine 1,193,075Welcome To The Jungle 688,029Paradise City 535,684The SmithsThere Is a Light That Never Goes Out 700,226This Charming Man 471,364Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now 396,387
LMAO people dont care about Pink Floyd or Led Zepplin anymore
>>122907657Everyone has a positive opinion of Louis Armstrong. Who buys his records, though?
>>122906130/mu/ memed deftones back into relevance
>>122908113alright thx
>>122906130I'm surprised and pleased that Deftones seem to be top tier at this point.
>>122909756you'll see pink floyd and led zeppelin doing well on the pirate bay FLAC charts. I'm surprised to not see zep or floyd on streaming though.
>>122900935Most notable is that Rock completely dominates.Leaving aside acts that would probably be considered pop-rock like Billy Joel and Elton John and other borderline cases, Rock is 14 out of 20. If there are 20 people, 14 are listening to rock. 6 are listening to something else. 2 are listening to top 40 pop, one reggae, 2 pop rock, 1 rap. And this is a solid fact. New rock has much more competition from old bands than pop and rap do. They are listening to old rock and not listening to old anything else. New top 40 pop has no competition from old top 40 pop. New active rock radio has tons of competition from old active rock radio.
>>122909756It's harder to appeal longer songs to the modern audience
>>122900935Soft rock - Pop-rock - Reggae 64-74 - 7The Beatles 15.5mThe Rolling Stones 8.0mCreedence Clearwater Revival 10.3mFleetwood Mac 11.4mElton John 11.1mBilly Joel 7.7mBob Marley & The Wailers 9.5mHard Rock - 75-99 - 10Queen 15.2mAC/DC 13.5mThe Smiths 7.5mMetallica 11.0mGuns N' Roses 7.6mRed Hot Chili Peppers 13.7mNirvana 11.4mRadiohead 9.5mGreen Day 9.7mDeftones 9.6mPop / Rap - 3Michael Jackson 11.7mABBA 9.2m2Pac 7.7m
>>122911814it's gotta be an older userbase, Zeppelin get as many streams as Limp Bizkit for example
>>122912373isn't it as simple as "everything has been done" when it comes to rock? if new rock bands were innovative they'd probably be popular
>>122912904nah, Fleetwood Mac is definitely post-74 and CCR is probably closer to hard rock than The Smiths/RHCP/Radiohead (maybe even Green Day), in general I'd say "commercial rock" is what produced most classic songs, including almost everything you put in the 2nd category
>>122900935It's crazy to me how popular the Deftones have become.
>>122900935I'm kind of surprised these numbers aren't higher, how many users does Spotify have?
>>122901919Idk if you've noticed but being a homo is very popular right now>>122905047I never listened to them that much but I liked most of what I heard.
>>122908113Can't believe Good Riddance didn't rank. I remember when it came out we used it for our elementary school slide shows for like 4 years.
>>122909756Led Zeppelin got cancelled. I was a huge fan when I was younger, can't even listen to their stuff now. Aerosmith, too.
>>122912373>>122913315From 2012 on I only came across 2 new rock bands that I liked. Both of them ended up failing because a malemember decided he was actually a girl.If you listened to any Warped Tour adjacent music when you were younger, at least half the bands you used to listen to are over either because of the situation above, or because a member: killed themselves, overdosed, raped someone, or had an inappropriate relationship with a minor. The latter two are also a big issue with video game composers.The other half of the Warped Tour bands are dads now and while it's fun to watch them play the hits, most are content to ride on their laurels and don't do anything impressive creatively.
>>122900935how did the smiths become one of the most popular bands?
>>122909958fair enough but Pink Floyd are still getting like 6m daily streams or so, and boomers represent around 1% of streaming numbers... you're thinking of someone like Barbra Streisand, way more successful than PF with boomers and now getting 10x less streams than them
>>122913550>Can't believe Good Riddance didn't rank.it's #6, it used to be way more popular though, digital sales (iTunes peaked in 2012):Good Riddance 5.3mBoulevard of Broken Dreams 4.8m21 Guns 4.5mWake Me Up When September Ends 3.8mAmerican Idiot 3.6m
>>122913628same as Deftones, tiktok a couple years ago, actually not long ago the #1 Deftones song was their cover of Please Let Me Get What I Want (it's #7 now)
>>122902759Stop posting that face
>>122913526630 million users, on average these artists have between 10m and 30m active listeners (fans), so 15m-50m across all platforms, not bad
>>122902759Continue posting that face
>>122913296pirate bay FLAC vs streams?I think that FLAC has an older userbase. I think downloads have an older userbase than streams. zep fans are zep fans. I'm a zep fan, goat and all that. Someone put all the zep albums up on flac recently, and all the zep albums went on the flac chart. I downloaded them all. I've had all the zep albums on vinyl for around 40 years. I don't think that zep is making that many new fans. Being broken up for over 40 years hasn't helped them much. Looking at Queen, Freddy Mercury is long dead, but they're touring with Adam Lambert, or were not too long ago. People who know they like the band, like the album, want the album, they're going to be getting the 24 bit flac, play it on a device that plays 24 bit flac. Higher quality, but requires more resources. Rurals are less likely to use spotify, bandwidth issues while on the road.
>>122916436downloads are for millennials and gen xzoomers and boomers are too tech illiterate and have no choice except to stream
>>122913315No, I'd say, wrong.When we look at this particular data point, we see that no one cares about anything but rock in the last century, I have 17 of that 20 as one kind of rock or another, hard rock, soft rock, pop-rock. I have 3 that are not rock - Michael Jackson, ABBA, 2pac.Rock dominates. "everything has been done" is wrong. This particular chart is an interesting one because it ends almost exactly when 1) the internet started and 2) physical stopped selling. And physical stopped selling because of the internet.what has happened in the last 25 years is (includes) there has been incredible fragmentation of rock. In 1991, there was "wow, grunge, a new type of hard rock, thank you MTV and then, a little later, radio, for letting us hear that". and then, "wow, there's a lot of fresh stuff that's similar to that." And the 1990s were great. Physical sold, no internet, or no internet to truly compete with physical. Record companies made money on physical. Record companies spent money to tell people about the physical they have for sale.But when physical stopped selling, record companies stopped trying very hard to tell people about new things.At the same time, it because cheap to make good sounding records. So, anyone could do it. No record company needed to approve of what you're doing and pay for it. You paid for it. So, since 2000, there has been a ton of new stuff, most of which isn't all that well known. Genres and sub genres and sub sub genres. Older music, all available on youtube, is available for free. In rock, people are not sitting and waiting for the new thing for the rock radio station to play. They can get everything that exists, that ever existed, for free on youtube, they can get a lot of that from pirate bay. So many not that popular choices.What people also seem to miss is that ADVERTISING is what is generally needed to make a hit and ADVERTISING costs MONEY.
>>122913426I put those acts in order by time. As it turned out when I was doing that, the oldest of the bands were the softer rock and the newest of the bands were the harder rock. It just seemed to work out that way. About Fleetwood Mac. Yeah, Fleetwood Mac is mostly known today for Rumors. 1977. But it's still entirely true that they were a famous British Blues band with Peter Green in the sixties before they were a even more famous California softer rock band in the late 70s, and there were line up changes, Bob Welsh, in the early 70s. Fortunately, it doesn't really matter exactly where Fleetwood Mac is placed on the list.It seems like the older people who are listening to Spotify are listening to softer stuff. You see what's there. You aren't seeing Hendrix, Doors, Zep, Sabbath, Deep Purple. It's almost like the oldest doesn't want to hear the heaviest.All I'm doing with that is sorting a list that I didn't make.You're trying to make a heaviness argument based almost entirely on CCR. Maybe. The core point is that 85% of that top 20 is some form of rock, from soft to hard. Another point is that the less old music is generally harder. The distinction isn't that great. It's not the main point. Main point is rock is king For all the talk about pop, and all the money that is spend to make today's pop famous today, it's a complete waste of money when looking at the future. I agree that, maybe with some exceptions (maybe), the biggest rock hits from the past were hits back then. So, radio rock. Or commercial rock. Whatever you want to call it. It's rock. It's not pop.I was really just trying to sort the 17 rock and the 3 pop/rap into 2 categories, and the 17 rock bands were placed into time order, and I noticed that the newer bands were more hard rock than the older ones. But it wasn't 100%. Still generally true. True about the smiths. Disagree about RHCP, would put RHCP in the harder category. Rock 17 - Pop 3
>>122913443me too. It's not like they've been touring recently. They should be able to pick up some really great cash with those numbers. I've put a shit ton of live video of bands up on the internet, and there's a shit ton of live video that I have that I haven't put up. I have some 10-15 year old Deftones which I haven't put up. That could turn into money for somebody. Youtube ain't it for that.
>>122913609We're looking at a list that doesn't really include Warped Tour bands. It's band up to 2000. Yes, Warped Tour started in the 90s but, more big in the 2000s.Some pop-punk-emo of the 2000s actually got top 40 pop spins. That screwed up the pop-punk-emo-metalcore-"the scene" economics. Oh, top 40 pop money, let's chase that. Oh, top 40 pop money stops, let's stop chasing that. And there wasn't much of a scene in 2010 through now. Fans of Warped Tour bands tended to be younger. And they grew out of listening to that. When they get back to that, it's in the nostalgia context. And now there are things like "when we were young". And there's still punk, hardcore, what have you. Turnstile, Mannequin Pussy. And you have Green Day playing stadiums and topping rock charts, so it's not away, but it's not like the days of myspace 2005. I think you're probably exaggerating the role of SJW leftists complaining about things people do in their free time in getting poppunkemocore bands off the stage. Myspace went away. That was a great platform for them. Facebook is shit. Many of the heavier of the scene bands are on active rock radio, or have been. Underoath was a scene band in the 2000s, and had active rock hits in 2010 to now. Many active rock radio bands have elements of 2000s scene bands.
>>122913832Rock - like Pink Floyd - popular.Pop - like Streisand - not popular.that's the key point. Focus on pop, you're left with nothing that people want over time. Also consider that Spotify is pretty basic, for basic people. And still, rock rules in basic world too. Basic + urban, because Spotify relies on constant bandwidth, and in rural areas that's not always there. I would think that Streisand was popular with older than boomer generations. Broadway hits in the 1960s, when the oldest boomer in 1964 was 18, those are generations older than boomers.
>>122917020>It seems like the older people who are listening to Spotify are listening to softer stuff. You see what's there. You aren't seeing Hendrix, Doors, Zep, Sabbath, Deep Purple. It's almost like the oldest doesn't want to hear the heaviest.well now i don't agree because my mother is 70 and does not like slow mush music, she likes fast songs that will get you up and going. she doesn't like the Doors or Sabbath but then she didn't like them when she was 16 and thought they were for gross druggie people.
>>122900935Where is the data from?
122917165122917020122916722anon tried so hard to sound smart with this wall of text but there's nothing really intelligent here, just a lot of Reddit memes
>>122900935I used to have this poster up on my wall.
>>122917207>I would think that Streisand was popular with older than boomer generations. Broadway hits in the 1960s, when the oldest boomer in 1964 was 18the oldest boomers would have been in their early 20s but...meh. actually Streisand was an attempt to market showtune shit to boomers and was kind of a younger Eydie Gorme whose singing was more about subtlety instead of just being loud.
>>122916455interesting. wouldn't necessarily think that about boomers. they might just use physical? I also think that men would download more than women. I'll put up the pirate bay FLAC list. It's very rock heavy. It's typically where I get my car listening files. I'll go with the rock station that really rocks sometimes, and for slightly longer trips, it's the phone with the great DAC. https://thepiratebay10.xyz/top/104there are always "new releases" when someone puts up an old album in 24 bit flac, and people download that.Simon and Garfunkel is 1 right now. New Deep Purple is 2.this spotify chart is of only older bands.this FLAC chart is of everything. And even when all the new stuff is included, there is much more old rock than new not rock. There's Taylor Swift of course, but there aren't 6 Taylor Swift albums in the top 50 the way there are on Billboard. Lots of Pink Floyd, more than Zep. And once you've downloaded something, you're invisible from the charts.
>>122917213>fast songsaren't necessarily heavy or hard, harsh or abrasive and raw.Can't buy me love is not a slow pop song, Beatles, rock, fast. Looking at this chart, the spotify one, it's doesn't start getting hard/heavy until the 2nd grouping. But it's all rock. Beatles, Stones, CCR, all medium rock. but certainly rock.
>>122917275I'm smarter than you.Definitely.
>>122917310No, 18 is exactly right. Boomers started getting born in 1964. They didn't really talk about generations until then. Soldiers came home from the war and starting fucking and the babies started getting born in 1946. There was war in 1945. 46 + 18 = 64.You're using boomer to mean everyone older than you? People who liked show tunes were all older than boomers. Greatest generation, silent generation. Streisand would be grouped with frank sinatra. In 1964. Boomers were little kids, 0-18. and broadway show tunes were for older people. In 1964, they weren't trying to sell the Beatles to older people, but to boomers. (Boomers, again, are not a category that means "older than me" like so many, so unhelpfully, think). I know nothing about Edie Gorme. (heard of her) Except it's for people older than boomers. Definitely. Ballad of the Green Berets was not an effort to market war to boomers. It was for people older than boomers. The Archies in 1969 was targeting boomers. Boomers were little kids then. 5-23.
>>122917552Or boomers started turning 18 in 1964 instead
>>122917552>I know nothing about Edie Gorme. (heard of her)New York Jew 'ho who specialized in standards and showtune shit but unlike Streisand's involved, intricate little girl voice and delivery she just...belted everything as loud as possible. Best known for marriage to fellow Jew and total hack singer Steve Lawrence, who died only a few months ago and is now in Hell. Not for being a Jew, but for being one of the least talented pop stars of that era.
>>122917552Streisand's later pop singer phase in the 70s was huge with boomer women at the time so you find about 90 copies of those albums at Goodwill and...meh.
>>122913901Again if I had a million years I never would have put Boulevard nor 21 Guns above Wake Me Up When September Ends.I forgot about a lot of these songs, but I can still hear all of them. I wouldn't want to stay in the same room as Billie Armstrong for more than 30 seconds, but they made some amazing music back then.
>>122900935>Bob Marley & The Wailers 9.5m>Elton John 11.1m>AC/DC 13.5mthose are the funniest to me in terms of "how many great songs between 'em?" lol tiny dancer, is this love, back in black... big balls... legalize it by peter tosh
>>122917948I will agree that probably songs from the late 70s early 80s would hit some older boomer women, but you're still hitting a lot of older generations.18 and under - 1964.18 to 36 - 1982. I'd still think that in 82 there are larger chunks of older than boomer generations. But, I'm not sure exactly why we would care. we're talking about shit that is not on this list.
>>122917920As a straight white male, I have developed the ability to refuse access to the brain by top 40 pop. I'm aware of the existence of pre rock top 40 pop. They're friends, at least a little bit, of frank sinatra, dean martin, sammy davis jr, etc, yes? yes. But I know that I have no reason to do any sort of deep dive on that. Top 40 pop is trash then and now. Although this stuff might be 10, 20 years older than the Beatles, I don't remember any of this shit going on Stadium tours. McCartney, the stones, 50-60 years of Stadium tours. These top 40 pop types didn't ever do that. Maybe Las Vegas?
Queen rules
>>122918535nothing from the '50s was anywhere near as wretched as 2010s pop. even the bad stuff is usually at least somewhat interesting while there is nothing interesting about Drake at all.
>>122917020>You aren't seeing Hendrix, Doors, Zep, Sabbath, Deep Purple. It's almost like the oldest doesn't want to hear the heaviest.Eh? Steve Hoffman boomers make an entire website out of discussing this shit.
>>122920473I think Wall of Text-kun is way way overthinking this. He must have felt a sense of smug intellectual superiority as he was typing that out much like Christgau does when he writes his obtusely worded riddles of reviews.
>>122920473I'm looking at the stats.It doesn't look like the oldest heavy bands are being streamed as much.So, you think Steve Hoffman boomers = the number of people streaming shit?I'm saying there looks to be a decline in the heavier / harder / less basic stuff of the oldest class.Based on the analysis of the data.
>>122920204not going to disagree with you.Core point: top 40 pop is SHIT.Also core point: top 40 pop doesn't make money live.It's a point I often make, so when the opportunity to make the point arises, I make it.regarding Drake. someone put 2 pictures of Drake into a meme. the top picture, Drake doesn't want the thing, the bottom picture, Drake does want the thing. and then to the right of the pictures, there's blank space where words go. That meme works well. I don't know Drake songs. Additionally, about Drake, there is very little evidence he sells albums. He might have millions of streams in a week, enough to get him on the album top 50, and yet, less than 100 album sales. Drake seems to be the poster boy for cheating to get on the charts.That's how it works in Shitmerica.
>>122920473the Doors and Sabbath are still pulling decent numbers, they just never had tons of famous songs
>>122920737>about Drake, there is very little evidence he sells albums.doesn't need to, $250m net worth
