Dylan continued: “Very few songs of today will go on to become standards. Who is going to write standards today? A rap artist? A hip-hop or rock star? A raver, a sampling expert, a pop singer? That’s music for the establishment. It’s easy listening. It just parodies real life, goes through the motions, puts on an act. A standard is on another level. It’s a role model for other songs, one in a thousand.”
true and based, and he has every right to speak on this subject. inb4 wpop seethe.
>>122909869meanwhile young people can't name any of his songs
dylan is a rock star though
He's right. I don't see any Olivia Rodrigo songs becoming campfire singalong staples or being sung in a karaoke bar or being played by your local bar band or 17 year olds in their garage, do you?
>>122909869> breaking news: boomer hero is a closet racist.who'd a guessed?
>>122910129given that many of his heroes were black bluesmen that throws a wrench into that idea
>>122910148> "some of my best friends are black."
>>122910129is there a reason it's "racist" you fucking retard or is do you just emit that word as a sort of knee-jerk reaction when someone says something you disagree with?
I like him, but Jesus God you fuckers go way way overboard for his ass. Lik nothing for Harry Nilsson. Ever once?
>>122910148blues was corny ass Step 'n Fetchit music from the Jim Crow days which is why crackers loved it so much
>>122909869Copyright laws are the reasons we no longer have standards anymore
>>122910194blues was invented by blacks, why do you have no pride in your heritage?
I guess he means songs like CC Rider. I don't see any Drake tracks becoming a standard in that way.
>>122909869Dylans opinion is trash. Music has changed so much since he has been relevant. Standards still exist in every genre and continue to evolve with the times. What does it matter where it comes from if people like to jam on it they will.
>>122910259>Music has changed so much since he has been relevantAnd not in any good kind of way.>Standards still exist in every genre and continue to evolve with the times.Doubt your local bar band is going to cover Charli XCX any time soon.
Like, Otis Redding was a supernova at the age of 25. Enough with thisguy Hank god damn Williams.
>>122910285Brat is a terrible album, And this is coming from someone that likes Halsey and Lana Del Ray. Which, alot of their songs could be covered by any bar band and it would work well if done right.
>>122910259>>122910234I wish anyone today could make a recording half as good as the Animals version of CC Rider.
>>122910285>Doubt your local bar band is going to cover Charli XCX any time soon.Or Taylor Suck. Nobody's gonna be covering Shake It Off in 40 years.
>>122910324not a tayfag but of all the shitty popstars in the last decade her and Katy Perry are the most likely to still be remembered in 40 years
>>122910343Of course she'll be remembered. But her music won't.
>>122910285>>122910324are bob dylan songs popular with bar bands and i didn't realize it?lots of drunks asking for 'times they are a changin'?
>>122910343they'll be remembered about as much as Nancy Sinatra which is to say largely as a meme/punchline
>>122910351nta but he is only one of the most covered artists of all times rivaled by nobody other than the Beatles
>>122909869Talentless hack. Hide the thread, don't engage.
>>122910351you really gonna die on this hill? people still cover songs he recorded SIXTY years ago.
Neil Diamond is the superjew. Better than your precious limp twisted... kinda converted to Christianity btw... no one ever talks about that
Once upon a time nearly every format of music had songs that became standards everyone and their dog covered. But nobody really does that anymore probably because nobody has ever heard a listenable Drake tune to want to cover it.
>>122910129True. Superior white people look down upon the inferior races because their lack of intellectual prowess amuses us.
>>122910386He has a lot better sense of humor than Dylan, I'll give him that.
media in general nowadays is made to burn bright and fast. rare to see a hit song stay a hit for more than a couple months if that. they're appealing to an increasingly shallow and inattentive target audience.
>>122910375just pretentious left-wing folkies.he really doesn't get covered by bar bands besides maybe knockin on heaven's door and that was because guns n roses made it cool to like that song.
>>122910129>criticze rap (nigger music) in anyway>automatically racisthow do you become this mindfucked?
>>122910399>But nobody really does that anymore probably because nobody has ever heard a listenable Drake tune to want to cover ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDb3ZZD4bA0I wouldn't cover this bullshit either, would you? The production alone is disgusting and abjectly unlistenable.
it's nice to know you can browse 4chan in retirement homes
>>122910460>The production alone is disgusting and abjectly unlistenable."production" is being kind here. just some fag mumbling about nothing over a one dimensional beat.
>>122910421every band that covers Like A Rolling Stone or All Along the Watchtower is a left wing folkie?
>>122910482IAF they do stick that piano solo at the end to make the track seem semi-legit.
>>122910399>>122910460It's because all of that stuff is just bad. There's very little songwriting craft. For example, writing strong melodies is a skill and we're in a time where strong melody is almost entirely absent from music.The standards Dylan is probably talking about are songs where you'd recognize them from the first few sung words.
Time changes, the standard of the first half of the 20th century was to perform standards.
>>122910511Sure, anyone would recognize CC Rider or Stormy Weather from the opening words. There are dozens of different recordings of both songs and both were well established blues standards. Once upon a time any format, whether it was country, pop, rock, folk, jazz, blues etc had standards everyone learned to play but you don't really see that anymore.
>>122910552cause no one makes songs worthy of becoming a standard anymore
>>122910399>>122910460>why don't people cover rap songs
>>122910096Meanwhile young people in college read at a middle school level
>>122910096that's an indictment of young people, not of dylan
>>122910557>cause no one makes songs worthy of becoming a standard anymoreParamore? Chvrches?
>>122910493all along = jimi hendrix versioni've never really heard a bar band do rolling stone. well, maybe once in a while some shit band who took themselves too serious.but on a serious note: it is interesting that there is a big lore about how dylan broke free from having to write the topical political songs he broke through with ...... and playing acoustic ...... ..... but for the most part, it has reverted back to those early topical acoustic political songs like 'times are changing' as being the songs of his actually most played by actual musicians today.are any songs from say blonde on blonde ever played by another musician in public? they all just so odd and unique to dylan that it's pretty impossible for anyone else to do them it seems.
in a world where you can get litigated for recording yourself singing Taylor swift songs in your bedroom and putting it on youtube I wonder why people don't cover much anymore. also how are people supposed to cover a hip-hop song if it isn't of the few that feature live instruments? it's just the nature of the genre, how do you "cover" nightcrawler
>>122910561To be fair Drake is bad pop with a vague hip-hop flavor to it.
>>122909869>>breaking news: boomer hero is a closet racist.>who'd a guessed?>>122910161>>"some of my best friends are black."
If Beyonce trying to cover Jolene proves anything...
>>122910552>>122910460black pop like this example used to be covered by everyone. don't see anyone covering, like, Rihanna though.
>>122910563>>122910572are you saying people were smarter 60 years ago?
>>122910578>in a world where you can get litigated for recording yourself singing Taylor swift songs in your bedroom and putting it on youtube I wonderyou've always had to pay the songwriter of something royalties to record his song. Irving Berlin didn't exactly die a poor man from all those White Christmas checks.
>>122910633hold your horses there are at least 100 covers of Umbrellawould not have picked her to make my point
hope bob realizes that raver sampling experts often play oldschool gospel music which otherwise wouldn't be heardhttps://youtu.be/FqIWsFBRcxw?si=-MO3CbxSWlUnIJJE&t=2524
>>122910633A song has to be good to be covered. And the particular tune you posted, while a good song, wasn't covered nearly to the same overkill as something like Stormy Weather.
>>122910161He was married to a black woman and had a black daughter
>>122910552>Once upon a time any format, whether it was country, pop, rock, folk, jazz, blues etc had standards everyone learned to play but you don't really see that anymore.Yeah it's a shame>>122910557Exactly, which is why there's still a lot of old songs being covered by newer musicians, but not many new ones.A really good song can often be done in many different styles too.I think there's some truth to what anons have said about copyright law ruining everything though. Entire traditions of roots music were built on taking riffs and lyrics from other songs and changing them. No one can do that anymore because normies are fixated on 'theft of music'.
>>122910698>I think there's some truth to what anons have said about copyright law ruining everything though. Entire traditions of roots music were built on taking riffs and lyrics from other songs and changing them. No one can do that anymore because normies are fixated on 'theft of music'.as anon said it was always like that>>122910653
As late as the 80s stuff like all the Metallica tunes became metal standards everyone played.
>>122909869Zimmerman is right but he’s a rockstar by definition. Does he really think of himself as a poet lmao
>>122910574Please name any good songs by either group.
You though wrong generation fags were bad, right generation fags are even worse
>>122910716It was never much of a thing in old time music. Blues has the same lyrics and riffs showing up in different songs, same for a lot of old music in general. No one was suing Mississippi Fred McDowell for saying 'woke up this morning blues was all in my bread'.
>>122910386Neil diamond tongues my anus
>>122910743I can't, sorry, you're right
>>122910653>you've always had to pay the songwriter of something royalties to record his songI'm sure Dylan has made 4x the money from LARS cover royalties than he has from selling records, of which he never did in huge numbers.
>>122910650I'm saying that going to school on skype disadvantaged you zoomers, and that your scores on standardized test scores reflect this. Your graph has a pretty long range there and is not relevant to the 2020-present period I was referring to
Blue Oyster Cult became a standard that heavy metal bands immitated later.Sex Pistols became a standard lots of punk bands followed later and expanded upon.Led Zep, Beatles, Hendrix - all set standards in many ways.Smiths, REM, Pixies, Husker Du set standards for a lot of the alt-rock that followed.Nirvana set the standards for the 90s and beyond.Then the Strokes unfortunately set the standards to retro and everyone followed. Etc.If he's talking about the post 2010s, aka zoomer music, then yeah nobody's setting any standards anymore, it's all pastiche digital slop.
>>122910832I think he means actually writing songs that become genre staples everyone does covers of.
>tfw a Linkin Park song gets more streams than your entire discography
>>122910841It seems to me he refers to songs that are so influential they effectively create a string of immitators.But that was the case for buttrock trying to copy Nirvana and just not really getting the same thing or quality. So in an ironic way Nirvana became the standard for a lot of shit music in the post-grunge era. Which ofc is not their fault. But they were a standard. Offspring literally made a song that immitated Teen Spirit.Blur also wrote Song 2 that was also their own Teen Spirit.That song was also covered by Tori Amos and others.Many tries to write something equally impactful and catchy but failed and sometimes their failure was interesting enough.
>>122909869When was the last standard? I can’t even recall anything from the last 24 years
>>122910947I Will Always Love You? All I Want for Christmas Is You? Wonderwall? My Heart Will Go On?I'm Yours...? *shudder*
>>122910324Black midi covered herhttps://youtu.be/RC-Yl0L3Vis?si=pPbwh6fcAli_e1IY
>>122910947>>122911061Call Me Maybe will absolutely go down the history
bob dylan originally became famous as a songwriter other people covered.but is there any place where his songs are still unironically played?in comparison, there are probably still five or six ac/dc songs regularly played by bar bands all over usa, australia, and probably uk.even some of dylan's contemporaries like the stones still have some of their 60's songs covered.the only dylan songs i probably ever hear covered in public are maybe buskers doing 'the times they are a changin' or some other early acoustic songs.was the what now seem overly serious songs dylan wrote just of a specific time and place (the weird new york folk boom of early sixties) that sound totally out of place in today's culture?
>>122909869The current hegemonic empire is in its decadent phase, old twig.What do you expect, people to still write music with the same naivete and enthusiam like they did back when society was just going through the pains of making the transition from rural way of life to urban modern life? Those times are gone and consumed.Now everyone is a transistorised worm connected to the network. And you're whining about folksy good ole times when jews could still larp as white minstrels that just jumped out of a barn and are singing the blues.You larpy old time fool, whining that your shtick is long since gone.
>>122910788under US copyright law sound recordings and lyrics are treated separately. if you were to play LARS (the studio version from Highway 61 Revisited) in a commercial you would pay Sony to use it but if you covered the song or reprinted the lyrics, then you would pay Dylan.
>>122911102>Now everyone is a transistorised worm connected to the network. And you're whining about folksy good ole times when jews could still larp as white minstrels that just jumped out of a barn and are singing the blues.meds
>>122911129Get a fucking brain and soul, fucking mediocre piece of shitWhy are you here? To post some metal crap?Fucking idiot
>>122911129im trynna say that back in the 50s-60s there were a lot of fresh off the farm bumpkin hayseeds with guitars like all bluesmen and a lot of country but all the people in those formats are too suburban and middle class these days to make music with any soul. brocountry sheet is what happens when modern soft suburbanite try to record country and didn't really grow up picking cotton like Johnny Cash did.
>>122911172nta but I mean like Gen X still had experience of growing up in the trashy high crime societal breakdown of the 70s-80s which gave them material to sing about
>>122911205>>122911172You're saying Millenials ruined music? Gotcha. Say no more.
>>122911222No it was the Al Bundy show and eating cereals regularly
>>122911222well, in a way yes. Millenials had the easiest softest childhood in history bar none, they never had any concerns except what PS1 game they would get for Christmas so they can't make music for shit. they didn't grow up in shack with no running water or electricity, they didn't get drafted in any wars, or be raised by over-militarized PTSD war vet parents who beat their ass like boomers did.
>>122911095dylan is probably more on the acoustic youtube cover side of the spectrumwhich is as healthy a measurement as bar bands in this day and age
>>122911172>Muh poorfag SoVLGo live as a vagabond if you want inspiration then
>>122910287Hank didn't have the staying power to match Dylan. He is in a league of his own, like it or not. How many roads must a man walk downbefore you call him a man
any standard setting songs/bands you'll find beneath the thick surface layer of goyslop (((they))) call 'music" that they spew of out of their slop factories.Just need to dig beneath the filth
see like in the 50s you had a completely mainstream pop star like Patti Page who grew up in Depression era Kansas with no running water or electricity. but like today you have Taylor Shit who grew up in a mansion and her dad was some Christmas tree farm tycoon.
>>122911278ok, i'll give you that. but a youtube cover is total hothouse flower dept. if they actually played those songs in public, they would probably get laughed at by a significant slice of the general public.
>>122909869>"HE WAS JUST A CRAZY NIGGER">"NO ONE DOUBTED HE PULLED THE TRIGGER"
>>122910650compared to zoomers? Yeah, they could add and read
>any standard setting songs/bands you'll find beneath the thick surface layer of goyslop (((they))) call 'music" that they spew of out of their slop factories.
as for boomers, they had it better of course growing up in postwar years but like life was still a lot grittier back then and a lot of them had abusive war vet PTSD parents. now as i said Gen X grew up in the 70s-80s when there was a major societal breakdown and crime was out of control. shit was very run down and trashy and, like, there were porno theaters on every city block and shit. but Millenials came up in the mostly clean, safe Clinton-Bush years with over protective helicopter parents. so the best they can do musically is Taylor Swift, which is pretty lame.
>>122910743Forgiveness
>>122911385Think you're being unfair here. There's no shortage of middle to lower working class Millenials who relates more to heavy kinds of music, they just never got a chance to make a career out of it thanks to the 2008 recession and you only hear rich trust fund wastrels like Ms. Swift.
>>122910883No, but it's their fault for aping Boston in SLTS
>>122911408>>122911385>>122911339Where does this stupid meme come from? TS's family would be considered upper middle class, her dad ran a local business in Berks County. You make it sound as if her dad was Bob Iger or something.
>>122911339Then Dolly Parton with her massive tits
>>122911359>don't think twice>tomorrow is a long time>girl from the north country>one too many mornings>it ain't me babe>i don't believe you>mama you been on my mind>mr tambourine man>love minus zero>baby blue>i want you>just like a woman>i shall be released>i threw it all away>if not for you>heaven's door>forever young>tangled up in blue>simple twist of fate>you're a big girl now>if you see her>dark eyes>most of the time>shooting star>trying to get to heavenall great classic songs with lyrics on the less ponderous/finger-pointing side. dylan's safe in this department
>>122911378Bro is fresh off a staged street questionnaire video
IDK I guess someone like Carrie Underwood sort of fits that bill for a more modern pop singer since she came out of a working class Midwestern family. it's not like everyone is Billie Eilish and has entertainment industry bigshot parents.
>>122911385>the best is Taylor SwiftYou're just a rhetorical chimpanzee
>>122911424>>122911408you guys are retarded, you know that?>Drakewas raised by a single mom who entered him in talent shows as a kid>Rihanna>Nicki Minajgrew up poor in the islandsthe problem with modern pop is more that Millenials suck at putting together a good song that has melody, arrangements, momentum, etc than some silly class warfare bullshit
>>122911535please name some "class warfare bullshit" pop songs
>>122911535Ok but you do agree that Black Country New Road are pathetically bad trust fund kids right?
>>122911553yes but like everyone from the 60s California rock scene were trust fund kids too yet they made iconic music. so again this has always existed, there were always rich wastrels in bands and it's not a class issue it's that people born after 1980 lack some intangible quality that allows one to write good songs. why that is idk.
>>122909869I think so much music is almost so good dammit but it fails in some big way. Like I dunno why this latest Clairo album annoys me but its like you have these great songs with such boring vocals but you just make the vocals wide range and interesting you easily take a 7/10 album to a 9/10 album. Argh, I truly love listening to it but I realize its going to be forgotten. I also feel that way about Billie Eilish. Could be wrong I mean Gen Z is going to want to back somebody. Or good songwriting is wasted on rap music with 0 good hooks just a incredible beat. So much music could be genuinely legendary if you just simply improved one thing and it sucks.
>>122911172buttrock bands like Puddle of Mudd and Staind were doing that lower class white guy schtick in a modernized take. you could call it the bastard descendent of country songs from the 78 era about shooting your wife for cheating on your or being in jail on a chain gang.
>>122911617i know what you mean. production and arrangements count for a lot in a song, not just lyrics. even really retarded lyrics can sound great if sung and arranged well. there are countless examples in music history. however when you got something like Marvins Room where he's just mumbling lifelessly over a shitty beat and nothing else is going on you want to turn it the fuck off.
>>122910129all jews are racist, but that doesn't mean he's wrong
>>122911690>however when you got something like Marvins Room where he's just mumbling lifelessly over a shitty beat and nothing else is going on you want to turn it the fuck off.That's most Rihanna tracks too and they're absolutely tedious to listen to.
>>122910184Nilsson was a pop star wannabe. Without you could have been written by anyone.he's barely in the same league as Bob Dylans un-flushed shit stained toilet paper.
>>122910096I know Wagon Wheel, Kockin on Heaven's Door and the Times They Are a Changin, though I couldn't hum the latter and the former two I only know because of covers. Dylan is a very covered artist, there's no doubt. I don't see many cover or general small time bands these days. I remember seeing one play in my town and they played Can't You See by Marshall Tucker Band, but they were old guys. If us iPad youth could get organized you can guarantee I would be playing NEEDTOBREATHE, Barely March, Avril Lavigne, The Midnight, Moron Police and Silversun Pickups.Any ways this thread just seems like yet another death of monoculture thread and finding a reason to complain that people who hate pop music aimed at girls aren't forced to hear it everywhere because of streaming and radio being unrelied on, population pyramid dictating that classic rock be the safer choice for everyone to listen to in common places, and the teen girls listen to teen girl music on their own. But that results in us 90% men without much female interaction on /mu/ not having to hear it.Back in the day guys would be fuming at the fact that the new pop music is inescapable and they can't get it out of their vicinity. That problem basically no longer exists and we use it to complain that no music matters to the whole of society anymore
>>122911359Correct. Being able to play a song on Youtube =/= being able to do it live at a show.
>>122911095>>122910310A good band can re-contextualize anything like Zeppelin did with "In My Time of Dying." The original recording of CC Rider by Ma Rainey came out in 1925. It was 41 years old when the Animals did their radically different take on the song. So even if you say a given song doesn't work in today's world, you may be able to modernize it and find your own context in there if you're actually talented.
I don't miss standards
>>122910125No but like you my boomer ass doesn't go to any of those places or do any of those things so how would I know
>>122909869That is because Bob thinks like an American. He think the whole world listens to music that features the English language or has American culture attached to it. Right now, in my country, (The Netherlands) this song has been a huge hit for over a year; https://youtu.be/wW8jga2D_ok?si=KxjwjiY8vGVU2TyKIts a cover of an older song from 1976, and he has released multiple version of this song, thus lenthening its lifespan. This is, and forever will be a mainstay in my language and culture. And many other countries, languages and cultures have their own standards and hits that everyone knows.Bob and his fans sound like senile j00s because they are
>>122912245unless you're in your 70s you're not a boomer, lol
>>122910602What is this dudes problem? Does he just search every thread and post soishit when people bait racism against white people?
>>122911294Hank wrote a better body of songs before the age of 30 than Bob has in his entire life.
>>122910096Yes they can, because Dylan poems are analysed in English class at US schools
>>122910575>are any songs from say blonde on blonde ever played by another musician in public?jeff buckley covered tons of electric dylanblonde on blonde was covered in concert by old crow medicine show and others and released as an LPjust off the top of my head
>>122910096At my uni all the cool people were either Dylanheads or Jazzheads
>>122909869I seriously can’t think of a single Bob Dylan song, he is my least favourite of the Wilburys.
>>122911535>the problem with modern pop is more that Millenials suck at putting together a good song that has melody, arrangements, momentum, etc than some silly class warfare bullshitThis.The Tin Pan Alley songwriters were upper middle class types. They still churned out constantly good songs that were designed to be sung by many different singers.>>122911617What you're talking about is songwriting not being very good these days. If only 50% of the song is functioning and something else is holding it back then the song isn't well written. In the past a good producer would be the one saying 'we need to improve this part', if a part needed improving. Now people don't care about the craft of songwriting so a lot of half baked ideas are released.Bob Dylan never had much of a singing voice but his songs were all firing on all cylinders, and a lot of his melodies are memorable.
>>122910219Son I hate to break this to you, but you’re responding to pure unfiltered bait
>>122910947Black Hole Sunnot even kiddingit's actually 30 years old but it's been covered a whole lot
>>122916223What about the one from fear and loathing in Las Vegas
>>122910360Nancy Sinatra had the godlike genius Lee Hazlewood propping her up so she'll be remembered for the duets with him.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbtKHrI-OAshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz0HQRV3kNU&list=OLAK5uy_nSoGohuD0csfSU9vbZIFjMpzwMYNlKLUk&index=9
>>122916294>The Tin Pan Alley songwriters were upper middle class types. They still churned out constantly good songs that were designed to be sung by many different singers.in the 50s a lot of the establishment crowd thought rock and doo-dop were stupid because lyrics were usually just nonsense designed to sound good or fit the rhythm unlike the GASB stuff which was much more poetic and literary. i suppose it's unfair to think a couple of black teens in a doo-wop group would have been as literate or well-read as the 40 year old Jews writing GASB material.
>>122911473I haven't heard any of these. Only Dylan songs I know are Like a Rolling Stone and All Along the Watchtower, and only the Hendrix cover of the latter is good.
>>122916294>Now people don't care about the craft of songwriting so a lot of half baked ideas are released.should say they don't really care about arrangement or production either
>>122916374I can see why they thought that but ultimately the doo wop or rock lyrics are serving a different musical purpose, even if some of it is definitely stupid. The vocals were starting to become like 'another instrument' in those genres of music compared with the great american songbook era. With rock music you increasingly saw songs being written around the guitar first.I don't think any of that is a bad thing either, a good song is a good song regardless, and there's definitely a skill to writing 'rock lyrics' because they need to fit a certain style of singing.
>>122916453I'm always shocked by how bad a lot of popular music sounds today in terms of the mix / arrangement tbqh. People talk about the loudness war and all that but it isn't just that, it's these bloated arrangements where everything is fighting for space and becomes a mush.
>>122910125that is commercial pop punk for teenagers, why even compare
>>122909869Counterpoint: A song from the Sound of Music is a standard and that aint exactly high art. Think he's just being pretentious
>>122916498I think it's stuff being too under-arranged. You remember how anon link Marvins Room earlier in the thread? There's nothing going on there but a shitty beat with absolutely no melody, chord changes, tempo shifts and so forth.
>>122916967that problem has been around for a while now and it began in the 90s-2000s when you had all the nu metal and pop punk songs that were just shitty chords with no solos or anything else interesting going on. rock was the first thing to be affected by this while pop and rap in the 2000s at least still had some effort put into production but by the 2010s they also became as phoned in and low effort as possible.
>>122910211Only smart post ITT. If a musician came out today with an album of covers like old hard rock bands used to do, no one would give a shit. The culture has just changed.
>>122916774Back in the day showtunes were considered art and prestigious for songwriters while pop music was considered lower tier product.
>>122917088copyright laws got nothing to do with nothing. if a band plays covers nowadays they're accused of being lazy and unable to come up with original material. even back in the 70s it was kind of a problem because covers were often used to pad out an album when the band didn't have enough songs. people tend to think a cover band is a gimmick similar to Elvis impersonators. like, the Beatles and Stones could get away with blues and R&R covers in the early days but you'd be ridiculed for doing that now.
>>122916325No it's the less I know the Better
>>122916498Really? I don't get that at all and frankly I think we're in a golden age of production, if not creativity. What you describe with many different elements fighting for space is something that I sometimes find in my own music, but not simple, well formulized pop
he looks like "Profesor Jirafales" in that pic
>>122909869>music for the establishmentwhat a retard
>>122917635>I think we're in a golden age of production, if not creativitywhat youtuber did you steal that opinion from?
>>122917635>I think we're in a golden age of production, if not creativity>>122916498>>122917032>>122918464yeah there's a weird disconnect right now between mainstream pop where the production has never been fucking worse despite studio tech' obviously being better than ever... taytay is a perfect example in pop. her songs have so much going on, all mixed at the same level, with her crystal-clear autotuned vocals slightly higher. creates almost a hypnotic effect and in a bad way obviously. and there are so many crescendos that no melody/pace gets set up meanwhile house music has continued to casually pump out immaculate production that gets a fair bit of attention but nowhere near dua lipa or charli https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48SM9o63Bushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38bNUdmdLWshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIv3j9AB3kQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj_ATTj4JG4i can't explain how timbaland was able to balance out so much back in the '90shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWHicFCKxVEor dj spooky later onhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCzLV0no_bg
>>122909869copyright and IP laws have guaranteed that there's never going to be any standards anymore.
>>122910096Good. This Jew faggot is terrible
Bob shitlan is basically MUH LYRICS: the musicianCompositionally and sonically, all of his songs are derivative slop. His singing is lackluster. The only element of his music that made him a relevant artist is the lyrics, which are the shallowest, most superfluous element of any genre. Also most of his lyrics are pandering poorfag whining
>>122918662>tripfag says something stupidsick of these reruns
>>122910125you are such a pussy
>>122909869I respect Bob's history but he's a fucking retard, and also just kind of a shitty person. Does he think that his music is somehow against the establishment? It's not the fucking sixties anymore, and Bob is very much a part of the wider cultural establishment.
>>122918736stay mad. and fuck your dead homies.
>>122909869>That’s music for the establishment> * sells songs to cadillac for gay commercials, then sells his entire catalog of (le standard) songs to a giant record corporation despite being already very wealthy and not needing the money at allwhat ethnoreligious group does bob belong to again? i forgot....
>>122910947party rock anthem wil be in the future
>>122918901Zimmerman is the jewiest jew to ever jew it
>>122918877>fuck dead people damn anon u a freak
>>122918464Mr Beast >>122918641>Responds to me by posting the message I was responding toYour IQ must be high.Does Taylor Swift really "have so much going on" in her songs? I don't think so. Maybe they took many painstaking hours to get her synth or snare tone just right, but imagine that more leans into quality production rather than songwriting. Compare to her early 10s stuff and it's clearly better produced now.Now it might be a different case for zoomer rap and rap adjacent shit like bladee Post Malone or whatever, but I'm not considering them.
>>122910285Yeah music should've been stuck with some sloppy folk musician singing third rate poetry over C G AM E chords
>>122917248It's a little more nuanced than that. Most people are fine with covers as part of a live setlist or a radio performance (think Live Lounge, Like a Version, that kind of thing). They just have higher standards for studio versions.
>>122916446not my fault you're a pleb
>>122919901>>122917248It's hard to do a cover that's greater than the original recording and isn't cringe inducing. Rarely you get a cover like AATWT that eats the original for breakfast. The pre-Beatles era when covers were much more commonplace is full of examples of horrible cover versions. This is one of my favorite examples. Perry Como desecrates and urinates on Peggy Lee's masterpiece.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVDzwGfNrPs
idioticthe entire reason music stopped producing standards is when it transitioned from an industry of entertainment based on covers to an industry of personal expression
>>122920989I don't think that's fair because it's not as if rock didn't produce its own collection of standards everyone covers like every Beatles song ever or for metalheads all the Sabbath and Metallica tunes.
>>122920989sometimes. pre-rock songs came from three sources most of the time.>ASCAP standards made by guys like Irving Berlin which everyone would cover>songs made by a record label's in-house songwriters>less often but not unheard of a group would write their own material, for example Jo Stafford's husband wrote a lot of the songs she recorded, even including the notorious Shrimp Boats>self-written material was also quite normal for country and blues performers>and sometimes a song would be written with a specific singer in mind
>>122921004I agree but it became normal for bands to write their own songs even if some became standards in of themselves.
>>122920989...which is a perfectly good case for why there are no old-style standards anymore
>>122909869Strange that he says this when he unironically likes American Songbook tripe which is everything he says modern pop is and worse
>>122921079I did miss the GASB song that had a bunch of grunting about Bacardi and strippers over a garbage beat. I'm sure it's out there, I just haven't heard it yet.
>>122910096He's not talking about himself. He's talking about the music he grew up with, tin pan alley shit like "Stardust" that gets covered over and over. https://youtu.be/QXCN31OcNh8Nothing The Weekend has ever released will be remembered.
>>122921095>That’s music for the establishment. It’s easy listening. It just parodies real life, goes through the motions, puts on an act.He didn't say anything about lyrical subject matter
bump
I could see Last Night and One Thing At A Time by Morgan Wallen being standards, AKA "timeless" songs
>>122920974https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If82O1e0bowDon't get me wrong, you need only compare a gem like this to anything Charli XCX has ever shit out to realize the lameness of 2010s pop.
>>122921095that's what jazz literally was, it was the trapshit of like the early 20th century. it was black music played in bars and whorehouses. maybe someday Cardi B will be canonized like Bessie Smith was.
>>122923019It's pretty good, but definitely an outlier for 50s pop which was mostly lame like today.
>>122923483>It's pretty good, but definitely an outlier for 50s popSong was 1947, it was not 50s.
>>122920974>bad covers>>122923477Speak of the devil.
>>122923515Disturbed = Vindicated
>>122923508The late '40s was a super dull period when literally nothing existed in pop music but "A side=ballad, B side=uptempo novelty song." Things started getting more interesting and varied again in the '50s. I mean, it was a transitional period and they were trying to figure out where to go from there.
>>122910575Picrel dropped last year, and she's touring it.>>122915821Robyn Hitchcock also covered Dylan live in the 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robyn_Sings
Peggy Lee rather quickly hopped on the jazz bandwagon in the 50s and was rarely a Billboard presence. Her live shows were always popular but she never sold a lot of records.
>>122909869he's jewish so his opinion is meaningless
>>122909869damn
