>sister ray was recorded in 1967is there any other song so much ahead of its time?
>>122919008There's other examples but none have held up as well, or continued to be culturally relevant like the velvet underground
>hey by the way have a you got a dolla?>no man I haven’t got the time-time >too busy suckin on my ding dongKek based ass lyrics
>>122919008Probably not, but picrel comes closeSister Ray and War Sucks are proto-industrial rockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aesZcZ0dG-8
Too busy sucking on a ding dong
>>122919008Foggy Notion, recorded in 1969 and it invented Krautrockhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmKoJ6EbUc
>>122919008https://youtu.be/7TwULx_wDiI
>>122919008Kandy Korn by Beefheart is basically a post-rock track from 1967. That'd be my first pick
>>122919008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MduQlWUoyhIGrunge in 1969
>>122919008>>122919280>>122919807>>122919829none of that is ahead of its time, they just go to show how much post-rock, noise, grunge, industrial, and all that shit was not inovative at all, and had been done years before by stoned hippies on a tight budgetrock was done after 75, nothing innovative was made from then on, just pointless wanking
>>122919847Why even say this lol. Pointless distinction to make. Nothing beat Astral Weeks until the 90s, so I can't fuck with any irrational era-worship like this.
>>122919880>era-worshipon the contrary, I'm stating the exhaustion of rock as a genre after the mid-70severy popular music genre has its cycle, the same thing happened to jazz, country, folk, and is currently happening to hiphoppretending like any rock music made in the last 5 decades is anything but recycled ideas would be completely delusional
>>122919280love that song
>>12291900824 track loop by This HeatI want you The BeatlesJob by Swans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_LX-m74uwproto dream pop
>its over 15 minutes longmust be innovative
>>122919910Genres are arbitrary. The best rock music has always taken influence from external sources, which is why viewing music in genre categories can lead to delusions in the superiority of certain eras. Bob Dylan, who basically ushered in the new form, was inspired by the beat generation and opera. Astral Weeks was inspired by romantic poets and jazz. ditto for King Crimson with classical and jazz and TVU with the beat generation and avant-classical. Modern rock is no more shackled to history than they were.
>>122919931What would you say that these each sort of prefigure?Because with Sister Ray there's an argument that it's like 30 years ahead of its time, and with Job, 30 years places it in the 2010s, where it would be hard to pinpoint particular styles it traces.
more than anything the production and basic progression of sister ray is one of the crunchiest riffs you could ever hear
>>122919950>Genres are arbitrary.no they aren'teven if the boundaries aren't clear, you can cluster different pieces of music together considering their common formal aspectsthere's music that sounds so much alike that you can trace it as a genre, and that's not considering the social-environmental aspects that made it to be>delusions in the superiority of certain erasit's not a matter of superiority, it's a matter of originalitythere's only so much you can do while keeping yourself inside a music genrerock artists after the 70s exhausted their influences, and became too attached to what "rock" was supposed to be, making their music production derivative and tiredyou can make a good rock song today, if you try emulating good rock songs from the pastit just won't be original, daring, or interesting in the leastsame thing goes for those genres listed in the threadall they tried pulling off had been done much earlier, and they were pretty much just dwelling in the same old stuff, because rock had reached its creative peak years before
>>122920012Later artists in rock weren't necessarily holding to the tenets of rock any more than the original rock artists were holding to the tenets of their intellectual predecessors.Bob Dylan, King Crimson, and TVU have as little in common with each other as My Bloody Valentine, Red House Painters, and SWANS did with each other.The genre "rock" is a bad framework through which to view all of this music.It's fine to use as a catch all categorization, but it isn't something to build a philosophy around.
>>122919971With Job, it's less about making up an entirely new sound or genre and more about finding the absolute limits of a specific sound that isn't authentic and pushing it to new heights. What emerged was a certain tune so heavy and stilted that multiple metal and core adjacent bands tried and failed to recreate what micheal gira and co did in less than 10 days of recording time, no budget and lots of drugs. The other examples still stand on their own as authentic. 24 h l is basically the genesis of modern psychedelic electronic music, and i want you is a classic noise rock masterpiece.
>>122920079>My Bloody Valentine, Red House Painters, and SWANSthe "ahead of its time" argument goes to show that everything these artists put out had been done beforethat's not a matter of being influenced by their predecessors, which is an inevitable historical proccess, it's a matter of repeating something which had already been said, instead of exploring new fieldsthat's why I'm insisting that these bands DO have things in common with other artists and music that came before them: because they were stuck in a dead genre
>>122920132Fair enough.I actually disagree with the "ahead of its time" stuff in general though.It's fun conversation, but everything comes from new people first and foremost.
>>122919008Bo diddley in the 50s
>>122919008The Beatles-Day in the Life or Tomorrow Never Knows
>>122919847>>122919910this take is correct
>>122919008Pretty much everything Schönberg wrote from 1908-1912 was hated at the time but became the new template a few decades later.
>>122921970®eddit>>122919265you dont know shit about music.>>122919008yes. try to wrap your zoomer brain around sitting down and listening to an entire record all the way through such as pic related.
>>122922057shut up loser
>>122919265You can just say that you don't like music
>>122919279>>122919430
>>122919847>>122919949
>>122919847>nothing innovative was made from thenWhat'd you expect from a genre that's purpose was to deconstruct. You smash a wall once and once it's over there's nothing but ruin and rubble. Rock had its time and it literally cannot go anywhere.
>>122924380that's his fucking point, asswipe
>>122919008Love da capo
>>122926354Was just saying that there's no point in waiting for more "innovation". Not only that but I don't think you could even call it "innovation" as I already mentioned Rock is like the opposite of innovation. Like sure you can be technically impressive but the spirit of rock, it's initial intentions were to deconstruct, to break the barriers and nothing more. In a way the life of Rock is not much different from the life of the boomers. Shining brightly for a little while, hating everything that came before it, and leaving nothing for those who come after
This song was far ahead of it's time. It goes pretty hard for 1967. https://youtu.be/H3xzHYz6L5w
>>122919280>>122919008sure is scaruffi drones in here
>>122919880>Astral Weeksliterally two good songs
>>122927744*fart*
ahead of its time is such a meaningless thing to saywhat does it even mean? that if it was made more recently it would have been less impressive?
>>122927929Yeah something like that
>>122919910Loveless is the peak of rock and it was in the 90s.
>WHITEugh
>>122919008https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucTg6rZJCu4
>>122919008The band in general but especially this song, came out in 1969:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnmhb71jQt8>>122919829Cool song, thanks anon
>>122919008My band of retards could have recorded that, and actually did record many songs in that vein without every having heard Sister Ray.
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>>122928446Except you had heard hundreds of songs influenced and inspired by people listening to sister ray
>>122919280i'm a psych rock fan and kind of an expert but this album always sounded shitty and boring to me, is there something i'm missing?
>>122927929Yeah I think it's more of a compliment to call something timeless, as even something ahead of its' time can still end up dated, just took it longer to become so
>>122928691It's a weird album for me. On one hand Hurricane Fighter Plane and Pink Stainless tail are fantastic but aside from that the songs are alright. Not even bad just not particularly remarkable. The Free-Form-Freakouts are either fun or obnoxious depending on my mood, I guess they can make for some good soundscapes or whatever you call them but ye it's just a good album.
>>122928597We didn't need inspiration to start jamming and then not stop jamming until 20 minutes later.
>>122924380>>122927744alright so what do you define as the subversive music of today?
>>122930077>alright so what do you define as the subversive music of today?The only music that can be subversive today is dissonant electronic noise made by trannies. SOPHIA kind of had the right idea but she was taken from us too soon.
>>122927929Ahead of its time is like R&B and blues from the late 40s that sounds like 50s music when white pop was still bland croonerslop.
Idk man it was bound to happenLike there isn't all that much innovativity in music in the last 20 or so years, they run out of crazy ideas long time ago
>>122921332probably the most correct post.the Bo Diddly shuffle itself is a rock institution
>>1229190081966https://youtu.be/fUii9c4GGRs?si=h8rLT69ZFRCvJTsPhttps://youtu.be/qxLJ5bQqfQk?si=YayUF07d87LkBWOe
>>122932107For sure but The VU were also influential in their own right.
>>122932107Even with them being in The Military and mostly only doing Covers I think The Spiffys deserve mention aswell. They had some pretty out there rhythmic and vocal dynamics for the time. Dreams,Susan,and The Letter especially capture this.
>>122927929you ever listen to something that's old and sounds it? and then you listen to something else from the same time period and it doesn't sound as dated? like it fits in better with the current time? it aged better? that's all it means. yes it's subjective.
