Taneyev editionhttps://youtu.be/jH-niAFCX98>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>123272094
I might try and make Stravinsky the next composer whose music I'm obsessed with, need a break from Mahler and Bruckner and Brahms, and Prokofiev and Shostakovich don't really do it for me anymore. Favorite works by him that aren't just the ballets I've heard (and love) a million times already?
>>123311833Have you tried our lord and savior Martinu? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3Njc2EGfBI
>>123311873I've been adding some of the recordings you've been posting but I admit I haven't listened to any of it yet, I'm kind of in a 'symphony and orchestral music only' phase at the moment; not even into piano concertos right now, which is one of the ones I added that you posted. So if he had anything like that, sure, I'll give it a listen. Hence why Stravinsky's ballets hit the spot yesterday when I played through that Haitink/Markevitch recording.I've tried getting hooked on Sibelius but doesn't do it for me and Vaughan Williams is good but not great enough to make me obsessed with it.
>>123311714the only truly great russian composer? experts agree. >>123311833stravinsky is really not interesting enough to obsess over on that level.
>>123311914Just like I said in that long post I made yesterday, with how highly regarded Stravinsky is you would think he has ~8-10 masterpiece orchestral works, but I can really only listen to RoS, Petrushka, Pulcinella, and Apollo so many times. Maybe it's time I finally become obsessed with Haydn and Mozart then, even though I've never connected with classical era music nearly as much as the romantics and psuedo early modernists.
>>123311987it’s never too early nor late to appreciate haydn and mozart
>>123311902His complete symphony cycle done in a really nicely by Jirihttps://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lGo4zrhRzBlRBFzDcmMFdJYCFFqw-Qe98
>>123312058I've always found their music pretty and enjoyable listening, it's just never resonated with me on a spiritual or emotional level, like they were part of and written for a now bygone era. That's probably why my favorite stuff of theirs is their choral stuff, because the music written for the human voice is eternal. But I'll listen to a few symphonies from both today and give it another shot and maybe it'll click, thanks. I know I've asked a million times and you've probably answered a few of them, but any specific recommendations for conductors or recordings for them? Else I'll probably go for Bernstein for Haydn and Levine for Mozart.>>123312241Awesome, thank you very much, will check it out today with the first symphony.
>>123312271He also wrote this Sinfonietta which is basically a symphony:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUUxKclwS8A&
>>123312289Thank you, just added these four recordings. Two complete cycles, one you posted and one by the ever great Neumann, and then one with the Sinfonietta incidentally also by Neumann (with the marvelous and one of my favorite violinists Josef Suk), and the also very good Kosler, and the last one seems to be a mix of symphonic type works with a bunch of different recording sources and a variety of conductors and interpretations which'll be neat.
>>123312363king shit I love Martinu he's such an underappreciated composer probably because he composed actually listenable stuff in the 20th century,
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtbG7lKql-Y
Gonna also go through Glazunov's stuff, I've liked what little I've heard. Added a few symphonic cycles (Serebrier, Otaka, Fedoseyev, and Jarvi) as well as some string quartets (Shostakovich Quartet, sadly couldn't find the Utrecht SQ recordings to stream online anywhere, but if I love them enough I'll download it. Any thoughts on any of these cycles or recommendations for others, or other music of Glazunov's? Just inferring from a brief glance, it seems he had a monumental amount of orchestral works, I saw a Naxos recording titled "Orchestral Works, vol. 16" lol, no way am I going through all of that without a specific recommendation, so if anyone has any I'm all ears. I already know I love his Violin Concerto and The Seasons ballet.
>>123312271szell for both haydn and mozart, and dorati’s complete haydn cycle. fuck the gay jewish pedophiles.
>>123312691Szell is missing a lot of Haydn and Bernstein's Paris symphonies are actually pretty good
>>123312795that’s what dorati is for, my friend. nobody needs bernstein.
>>123312881Bernstein is better in those symphones than Dorati
>>123312953lol, no
>>123312961lol, yes
>>123313003sorry, i don't take gay pedophiles seriously as conductors
>>123313058do you take straight pedophiles seriously?
>>123312691Thank you. And I don't know, maybe it's my taste for romanticism, but I've always really liked how vibrant and vigorous and passionate and overall exciting Bernstein's Haydn sounds, both for the symphonies and choral music (eg Masses and The Creation) I will try Szell and Dorati though, thank you very much. I've added many, many Mozart recordings and sets over the past several months and have dipped here and there into some of them, everything from Walter to Levine to Kubelik to Klemperer to Bohm to Markevitch to Abbado to Davis to Karajan, etc etc, you get the idea. Haydn only a few I think, from Szell to Solti to Bernstein to Scherchen to Davis to Monteux to Jochum to Klemperer, and only a couple more I think. I was actually listening to Klemperers "Haydn: Favorite Symphonies" set the other day and it was quite good! Also excited to hear how Jochum handles it. Just added a Karajan 94 & 101 right now while I was searching for the Haydn recordings in my online library and it popped up on the non-added side, lol.Anyway, thanks. More suggestions always welcome!
>>123313068i don't believe such a thing exists, pedos fuck kids regardless of gender
Just listened to this, and finally found a recording of Liszt's A Faust Symphony compares favorably to the Bernstein one, but I might even like it more. Check it out, highly recommended! Now to find a definitive Dante Symphony.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcg0Qyvn-2c&list=OLAK5uy_m0amsGWJyX96GI-lqaW8uc9va2sHIoyoU&index=1
>>123312691dorati was a jew too
>>123313233Sadly I'm not much into piano music at present as much as I used to be (I'm sure it'll come back around though), else Liszt might be the composer I'd be happily to become obsessed with. Or maybe I'm underestimating how many orchestral compositions he wrote, and maybe there are orchestral arrangements for the ones he didn't.
>>123313243and thankfully not a gay pedophile.
why is is so hard for harpsichordists to stay on beat God damn
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3EjEzRmaHk
>>123313308it's inherently a jewish trait
>>123312691I'm gonna check out the Szell, but I've been on a Jochum kick lately so trying out his set first (probably will go back-and-forth between his and Szell's), any thoughts or opinions on this set? It's sounding great to me so far, I'm listening to Symphony no. 94 "Surprise"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbIKTlpyrvU&list=OLAK5uy_n3DxK0I12x1sDVWoaXvTfTgmstl9JIyuo&index=5My immediate uninformed opinion is I'd always been of the impression that Haydn's music is supposed to sound far more playful, agile, and jaunty compared to this Jochum rendition, which is far heavier, dramatic, and serious, essentially trading play for power. I could be mistaken though, and maybe what I said only applies to Haydn's other music. Regardless, sounds great to me, and I certainly can't wait to give the Szell / Cleveland recording a try!
>>123313701It's a great set. Haydn can be playful and jaunty but he was also dramatic and serious. He's in a direct line with Beethoven, remember, and many of his late symphonies particularly anticipate the direction of his student.
>>123313621thank you wignat sister>>123313701haven't heard it, but i don't think haydn should be bogged down by too much romantic excess. the classical era should be, after all, classical.
>>123313809Of course, his music undoubtedly covers a very wide spectrum of musical sensibilities and attributes and emotions. Nice to see someone else here also likes it. Do you have a favorite set yourself?>>123313821Check out the link I posted and tell me what you think.>but i don't think haydn should be bogged down by too much romantic excess. the classical era should be, after all, classical.Objectively, I one-hundred percent agree, but I suppose that's one of the virtues of the very nature of how classical music is performed and consumed, ala filtered through by another artist in their own right, allowing for a plethora of interpretations and therefore tons and tons of results each suitable and filling the niche and desires of a different group. My point is, having tastes for traits and sound of romanticism, Haydn sounds best to me that way. With that said, listening to Symphony no. 93 from this Szell / Cleveland recording right now and it's sounding quite good to me too. Certainly not as moving and captivating as the Jochum approach, as I outlined earlier as to why, but still very enjoyable.
Oh meant to add to >>123314107 that now I'm very excited to find and listen to Jochum's Mozart, or any other conductors and recordings in that vein of similar school of thought, if anyone knows who comes closest I'd greatly appreciate it.I'm also going to listen to Haydn's "The Seasons" in a little bit, any recommendations for that, having seen a bit of my taste and preferences? I'm currently looking at Solti, Bohm, and Colin Davis, with Solti as the leading contender. Any thoughts would be very appreciated.
Honestly Szell's Mozart doesn't really do much for me
>>123314562major skill issue
>>123314601I've always been of the view describing and expounding upon what a work of art, in this case a performance of a classical/art music via a recording medium, does right is far more difficult than what it does wrong; if it does everything right, then there really isn't anything left to say aside from useless metaphorical fluff to fill a wordcount because music, as the purest form of art where form and content are synonymous, there's nothing to say except to listen. But if where there are blemishes and mistakes, then there is plenty to say as to the what, why, how, and so on. I say all this because I want to preface my question with my acknowledgement of the difficulty of this question, but what, in your in opinion, does Szell do so well with Haydn and Mozart that other masters and greats and conductors of reverence and talent fail to do?
>>123315030his tempos are swift, his pacing and dynamics are always exciting, his articulation is never too heavy nor too light, the playing is absolutely flawless, and his balances are always clear enough to hear all the counterpoint so important to the classical era. the real question should be what other conductors seriously offer that szell does not.
>>123312289>>123312363Martinu is absolutely based.>>123312289Sounds great, thanks for sharing.
>>123315083Thus proving my point: all positive writing about music is just metaphorical fluff disguised as 'analysis' when broken down is really just saying "I liked this/it sounded good to me."Not mocking you or anything! Sorry I been drinking, so just wanted to get this off my chest. Anyway, thanks for the answer, but I think more useful would be to talk about what exactly the results are of those decisions, the 'why,' and to me I'd say the answer is Szell's Haydn just sounds closest to what I think Haydn was going for in his music. You don't think Colin Davis or Scherchen accomplish the same or something similar though?
Nigghttps://youtu.be/x8pqnz3bNLA
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2os96oAb-4Ii kneel...
>>123315256scherchen is a bit too insane and davis is a bit too dull and lacking spontaneity. when i think of classical poise, there is no better representation than szell.
having a Haydn night and loving it! now playingstart of Haydn - Cello Concerto No. 1 in C Major, Hob. VIIb:1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8p2x8A1xI8&list=OLAK5uy_lXkGVXevfVeX5gX2bfrD9Ml56AFtevZ2w&index=2start of Cello Concerto No. 2 in D Major, Hob. VIIb:2:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM_kqB_6Vis&list=OLAK5uy_lXkGVXevfVeX5gX2bfrD9Ml56AFtevZ2w&index=8start of Vivaldi - Cello Concerto in G Major, RV 413:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRc4JN-cRII&list=OLAK5uy_lXkGVXevfVeX5gX2bfrD9Ml56AFtevZ2w&index=5start of Cello Concerto in G Minor, RV 417:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgBjl030KC4&list=OLAK5uy_lXkGVXevfVeX5gX2bfrD9Ml56AFtevZ2w&index=10https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lXkGVXevfVeX5gX2bfrD9Ml56AFtevZ2wFavorite recording of Haynd's cello concertos? I've heard Du Pre's and Rostropovich's plenty of times so wanted to try a new one. Doubt this will supplant them, as much as I really enjoy Lynn Harrell.
>>123314601Yeah a skill issue on Szell's part
>>123311714Rhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DYgb5LHVbE
Wait, Kubelik has a recording of Haydn's Die Jahreszeiten (The Seasons) too? Come on... Solti, Bohm, or Kubelik... and then you have Hurtwitz recommending Rene Jacobs. Really, no one here has heard it before and can suggest one? I guess Kubelik is my favorite conductor of them all, especially after listening to his breathtaking, hauntingly beautiful, serene, and angelic Brahms A German Requiem last night (seriously, it might be my favorite recording of the work ever but I gotta give Klemperer's another listen first before I finalize that judgment), so Kubelik it is, as much as I love Solti's recordings of choral music -- I don't think I've ever been disappointed, and his always rank in the second-or first-tier -- whereas Bohm... I love Bohm, and I'm sure he's a fine opera conductor, but for choral music, I've been disappointed a plenty lol.I guess if someone wants to listen with me, first time listening to it, going in blind, but I absolutely love Haydn's The Creation so I've got high hopes:start of Haydn's Die Jahreszeiten, Hob. XXI:3:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWqHjQACriU&list=OLAK5uy_lX3UxAK2rh1cOMVftuwWYLmqLLrHtBWs8&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lX3UxAK2rh1cOMVftuwWYLmqLLrHtBWs8
>>123315401no, just you. >>123315552hurwitz recommended HIP? how horrifying.
>>123315593>hurwitz recommended HIP? how horrifying.Fug my mistake, David Vernier wrote the review.
Verdi or Puccini?
>>123315607https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-4773/?search=1he seems to recommend bohm and dorati
>>123315633verdi
>>123315660O shi thank you. I only looked at a couple reviews and noticed none of them had a Reference Recordings part at the bottom which I found strange so I gave up. I appreciate it. Still gotta stick with Kubelik and Solti first, but will definitely add Dorati's too and listen to Bohm's (if I like the work). Gardiner's... I don't know... maybe if I REALLY love the work lol.
https://vocaroo.com/1cbvqsAQaU5rwhat chord is this?
>>123315762the pedophile kraut chord, obviously
>>123315777wrong. whoever answers correctly shall receive a rare pepe.
>>123315809right, chomo germ. and no one gives a shit about your stupid reddit frogs.
The older the recording, the better
>>123315834you are certainly no one.
>>123315848that implies that i care about your faggoty gay frogs, groomer germ.
now playingstart of Symphony No. 2 in F-Sharp Minor, Op. 16:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59FE_Cl1yDk&list=OLAK5uy_nTO6xx6ltWL1i65rFBLa_l6xLBsepgloc&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nTO6xx6ltWL1i65rFBLa_l6xLBsepgloc&si=ducUNTNuTzDLmQZCI have a feeling I am going to discover and spark a long-dormant, deep affinity for Glazunov's music, especially the symphonies.
>>123315861If you did not care you would not reply.
>>123315762
>>123315891i care about laughing at you for being a scum sucking ban evading pedophile
>>123315914wash your dilator, TJ.
>>123315937keep ban evading, kiddy diddler kraut
>>123315947ywnbaw.wnbaw.
>>123315971you will always be a pedophile freak
>>123315984slanderous and moronic as always, TJ.
>>123312609Try "From the middle ages"
>>123315999pedophilic and ban evading as always, chomo germ
>>123315277er
>>123316004>>123315762
>>123316025beautiful drawing of the pedophile kraut getting necked as he deserves
>>123316001I've got the Jarvi recording of that added for a while now but never really gave it a closer listen. Is that the best one or is there another you suggest? I'll listen to it right after I finish this >>123315870
>>123315762Vb13.
>>123316104
>>123316104>>123316161laughably pathetic behavior
>>123316165It's ok, TJ. we already know you are retarded.
>>123316222it's ok pathetic kraut, we already know you are a ban evading pedophile
what's the average age of /classical/ posters?i swear we're all old here, r-right?
>>123316273TJ is under 41 I presume.
>>123316287what an insult, pedophile kraut
Shostakovich's 1st Cello Concerto. What are your favorite cello pieces?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Wt-rV1I7Y
>>123316522I apologise. I linked the wrong performance. That version absolutely suckshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tG0laIxC0Lo
>>123316522https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jnv6F2r6ZY
>>123315593>hurwitz recommended HIP?He's recommended tons of HIP recordings.
I love carols so much.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zieoBKkN9qE
>>123316522Cello pieces in general? Too many to have to think about lol. But cello concertos, definitely that Shostakovich one, and his 2nd is heavily underrated and requires a few careful listens to finally click. Prokofiev's Symphony-Concerto and Cello Concerto are fantastic. Dvorak's, Elgar's, and Schumann's are the usual three I consider the best of the best. Expanding a bit further, Tchaikovsky's Rococo Variations are gorgeous, as well as Strauss' Don Quixote and Vaughan Williams' The Lark Ascending. I'm definitely missing a couple I'll be embarrassed I did when I recall them later.
>>123317205I love Britten's Ceremony of Carols so, so much, I hope to one day discover another choral piece just like it.
britten’s ceremony of child sex?
>>123317257I was looking up my favorite recording of it and was gonna link one of my favorite parts from it, but look at the 'Songs' results here at #1 and #3... c'mon, Britten, not helping my case here!no but seriously it's incredible
>>123317286yeah, i bet he likes his child yongë alright
Mind if I ask (another) silly, autistic question? In what position and way do you guys listen to music? Often I'll listen to music while casually reading 4chan or reddit or light news on my phone lying in bed, and when I really wanna focus I do the same just without the phone, but I've found this has lead to me too easily falling asleep since, obviously, it's the exact same manner in which I would be in if I were trying to fall asleep. So now I'm trying out putting some pillows against the wall and sitting against that and hoping that works and allows me to not knock out.>>123317358as well as only Holy Boys for Britten
>>123317386I find music to be distracting which is why I only listen to it while doing something monotonous/mundane such as walking or cleaning.
Rhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa7PKyaOOrc
>>123317774I've been trying to work on my ability to focus on music better lately. Yesterday I went to the clinic and it ended up being almost a four hour wait so I ended up listening to the entire Brahms symphonic cycle while bussing around town to kill time, it was really nice.
will music composed for movies and video games ever reach the level of music composed for opera and ballet?
>>123318035it always did but TJ, in his infinite wisdom, will tell you otherwise without providing any adequate reason.
>>123318035no, because their fundamental intents are entirely different>>123318064not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead, ban evading pedophile kraut
>>123318092>no, because their fundamental intents are entirely differentExactly what I was gonna say.>>123318035The video game would have to be something like a shmup. So, if you paid a very talented composer to write you a piece in which you could design a shmup around (because of the forced progression, allowing the music to constantly progress in its intended design), I don't see why not, but then you run into problems of limited attention; it's one thing to watch a story and/or dance unfold in harmony with music, and an entirely different situation to solve complex obstacles while trying to appreciate art music.
now playingBallade in F Major, Op. 78https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKFNXgcfnQA&list=OLAK5uy_n2i1Bu_Bu1OTw18WeP4JIPJk8z9eNg8Gw&index=2start of Symphony No. 3 in D Major, Op. 33:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIc8K1abyyo&list=OLAK5uy_n2i1Bu_Bu1OTw18WeP4JIPJk8z9eNg8Gw&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n2i1Bu_Bu1OTw18WeP4JIPJk8z9eNg8Gw
Finally trying out Serebrier's Glazunov and wow! Gorgeous, perfect recordings, easily among some of my favorite Russian symphonies now.start of Symphony No. 4 in E-Flat Major, Op. 48:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX1-Xyrtuw8&list=OLAK5uy_lDe0oS5wHfqYHtNMmS1asVudtkWURPsgE&index=2start of Symphony No. 7 in F Major, Op. 77 "Pastoral":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FKkNDKjJeA&list=OLAK5uy_lDe0oS5wHfqYHtNMmS1asVudtkWURPsgE&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lDe0oS5wHfqYHtNMmS1asVudtkWURPsgEHighest recommendation if you're a fan of romanticism, particularly of the Russian variety.
Sisters... it is time to set sail.
Is this Ancerl M9 really among the best of best, or is it more of just a historical artifact of lingering reputation and respect for the recordings which paved the way? I mean it's nice but I don't really hear anything special in it, any 9th by most quality conductors of Mahler belonging to the lyrical, let-the-score-speak-for-itself approach in recent times sound just as good interpretatively with the benefit of improvements in recording technology and processes IMO, or should I give it a few more listens to see if it clicks and I finally get it?
>>123320676more like MEHler. gtfo and never post here again.
>>123321034kek
>>123320676more like GODlerstay and goon with us.
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>>123321456Bach is overrated and the cult like behavior around composers is gay.
>>123321487Retard
>>123321456what tradition is hisstersister even talking about? Bach's music was forgotten until Mendelssohn brought it back. those recordings he posted sound fucking awful.
>>123321596Thank you jewish pedophile HIPster sister
>>123321567you sound hurt, anon.
>>123321596Maybe the tradition of not playing everything without string vibrato at breakneck speeds using a orchestra so small it might as well be a string quartet, all using "period instruments" which sound unmusical and shit? You're disingenuous if you don't know what "traditional" means. It means performing it in the same manner that we performed every other composer for centuries.>Bach's music was forgotten until Mendelssohn brought it back.Yes, and do you think those performances that Mendelssohn did sounded like Reinhard Goebel, you fucking retard?
>>123321639>single 2 syllable word = hurt
>>123321596>those recordings he posted sound fucking awfulI know right? Not enough homosexuals in satanic clothing playing and reading from historical ipads and playing like pure shit, lets goon together while watching Netherlands Bach Society my fellow HIPster sister.
>>123321596you also sound hurt, anon
What pieces should I listen on my deathbed
>>123321775https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt81gzIAt18
>>123321775https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RSFLcT1YMA
>>123321775Requiem obviously. Brahms or Mozart. Pick your liking. If you really feel edgy you might as well just pick heavy metal. You are dying for fucks sake... don't go out all sappy, whiny and depressed, go out with a bang.
Other than Beethoven’s ninth what are some powerful trans anthems?
>>123322165op. 41.
>>123321596>Bach's music was forgotten until Mendelssohn brought it backj*ws once again trying to take credit for what white people have done
>>123322458indeed.
>>123322458It's complete bullshit anyway, J.S. Bach was not forgotten. Haydn, Mozart and Beethoven all knew (some of) his work. In 1799 the Allgemeine Musikalische Zeitung pubished pic rel with J.S. Bach right in the center of a "sun of composers".
>wake up>put on music recording containing three violin concerti>fall back asleep within 2 minutes of listening>wake up at the exact time to hear the final 15 seconds of the entire thing/the third concertowtf. this happen to anyone else? now i gotta play it again!
>>123322513That's an awesome picture.
>>123320676really only hurwitz worships this one, and it's partly because of the whole ancerl holocaust survivor narrative, and because supraphon supports his channel so he feels compelled to endorse them. the bigger problem with it is that supraphon has a history of NRing their recordings into oblivion, so it sounds like shit no matter which mastering you get of it even though the production quality itself was not too bad for its time.
>>123322867Okay thank you. I've seen it mentioned in the occasional review on Amazon too, not to mention the reviews on the actual recording's page is filled with effusive praise except for one guy who actually did give historical context and say it's only worth a listen for that purpose now that there have been a veritable goldrush of recordings since then, so good to see that is the case because listening to it it's not bad, but not special whatsoever.
>>123322867>>123322909meant to add that those who mentioned it in their reviews of other recordings and gave it glowing praise were probably just following in Hurwitz lead, or as you always claim, are old enough to have purchased it the day it came out at the local mom 'n pop phonograph record shop.
>>123321034>>123321126Don't worry I'm down to listening to only two symphonies of his a day now, the addiction is finally waning!
>>123320676I think the inner movements are very well done and amongst the best, since that's where the strongest characteristics of the Czech Philharmonic, that is the winds and brass, really shine. It's definitely a Mahler 9 that you're listening more for the orchestra than the conductor. Ancerl was a good conductor, but mostly for 20th century stuff IMO. Very strong at stuff like Stravinsky and Janacek. >>123321686>It means performing it in the same manner that we performed every other composer for centuries.If we stick to recorded history, going back as far as the earliest acoustic recordings, there's absolutely a change in how performers approached works from the onset of the 20th century even into the 1930s. I see no reason to think that there was a consistent, universal approach to performing composers based on the evidence that we have. String playing especially underwent a massive shift from the late 19th century to the early 20th century, wherein vibrato did, indeed, become much more prominent in performance practice, and practices like string portamento were kicked to the curb. This isn't to say that the HIPsters are right - they generally aren't - but that I wouldn't go so far as to call Koussevitzky or Ormandy - the conductors given in the example of that OP - great examples of tradition. Both of them had largely adopted modern performance practices by the time both of those recordings were made. Hell, Koussevitzky is famous for being one of the main conductors aside from Stokowski to promote the "American" orchestral seating; he completely abandoned that tradition in favor of a more modern approach.>>123322867There's a Japanese release of it that sounds considerably better.
>>123323052>Ancerl was a good conductor, but mostly for 20th century stuff IMO. Very strong at stuff like Stravinsky and Janacek.Yeah I added a bunch of his Stravinsky stuff yesterday. I'll check out his Janacek too, thanks.
What lead to the term "Philharmonic"? I get that it's generally used to differenciate 2 symphony orchestras in the same city, but what was the historical use for that term before the modern one came to be?
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M8PXPtU8lM&list=OLAK5uy_m89eR2Amt9qvDSlTEx7ZJPcTWhUV0C5sY&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m89eR2Amt9qvDSlTEx7ZJPcTWhUV0C5sY
>>123323076I really like his recording of Suf's Ripening despite the hissing. It also includes a dreadful Kabelaç's Symphony no. 5, however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHNM-UlbJEIInteresting video on the various editions for Beethoven's piano sonatas, with examples.
>>123323320this video convinced me to buy those old von bulow editions of the sonatas, and they have a LOT of commentary from the editor that you've never find in a modern urtext edition. lots of interesting/questionable editorial decisions as well.
>>123323052>I think the inner movements are very well done and amongst the best, since that's where the strongest characteristics of the Czech Philharmonic, that is the winds and brass, really shine.You're obviously a very smart anon but how do you and others here remember these kinds of specific details about recordings? Do you take notes or something? Are you a musician or some other kind of musical occupation where you can easily notice and cement these nuances into your memory or what?
>>123323052Which Mahler 9s do you think are the best?
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>>123323481A lot of comparative listening over a long period of time. Usually I do so with specific sections that I'm keeping my ear open for. But after awhile you know a work so well you don't really need to do that anymore.>>123323513Karajan 2 and Chailly 2 (Gewandhaus) are the ones I listen to the most. That being said I think the 9th is generally well performed, it's not like the 5th where your choices for actually good performances are pretty limited.
>>123323881Thanks for the answer. Yeah I generally enjoy most 9ths I listen to, and those ones are indeed very good and distinctive -- took me a few listens to learn to appreciate Chailly's. and wtf, I feel embarrassed that I never noticed Karajan has two 9ths, I always thought the Karajan / BPO was one recording... well now I know which I'll be listening to next!And funny you mention the 5th, I'm actually trying to decide which one I wanna listen to today. I loved Barshai's that I listened to the other day but I think I might give it more time. I'm leaning toward either Levine's (which I've also only heard once and loved, so it's due to see if it really was that good) and Bertini's, the only one from that cycle I haven't listened to yet.
>>123323982The earlier Karajan 9 is weird. Has some strange mistakes in it that you wouldn't expect Karajan to let pass in the studio. The live digital one is where it's at.
>>123324053Shiiiit, no wonder I always thought it was overrated -- I was listening to the wrong one! Though it does seem there are some people who prefer it.
>>123315762wtf is this supposed to test or prove?Now Listening:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=592v8Yl-e4Q
I don't know anything about conducting or recording, I decide on whether I like how it sounds or not.
Does any one have any books or videos on the Ars Sublitor it is some pretty music but I really don't know what I'm supposed to be listening for.
>>123324302Same. It's more of an intuitive and emotional judgment, which really boils down to whether I feel the subconscious faculty of the brain used for aesthetic decisions sending out signals to the rest of my mind, spirit, and heart telling me it is a recording or piece worth revisiting, or whether the organ remains silent, or worse, signals of revulsion.
>>123323881You're probably not interested, but I decided to gander at Hurwitz's site classicstoday and search up their catalogue of Mahler 5s, maybe find a new one to try or just to read reviews of ones I'm already familiar with, which was the case when I came across the Barshai recording review, and it starts off:>This is an amazing performance. I have no hesitation in recommending it as one of the half dozen or so best recordings of the work currently available, right up there with Bernstein (DG), Karajan (DG), Barbirolli (EMI), and Tennstedt (NY Philharmonic Special Editions)...I didn't even know Tennstedt had another acclaimed recording of the 5th, I was only familiar with the EMI cycle recorded with the LPO, so intrigued I decided to check it out (pic) and my god... it sucked! I rarely outright dislike recordings, more often it's a feeling of indifference, but I was shocked Hurwitz gave it such lavish praise with a placement at the peak of recordings. So disappointing.
Is there any composer you guys would have liked to meet?
Can any pianists give me tips on how to play this shit?This has to be the most physically difficult thing that I have attempted on piano.The problem I feel that I have is that my left hand basically needs to be flat to reach the intervals and it needs to be low in order to keep it legato (fuck relying on the pedal for that, that's cheating).With the left hand low, the right hand is extremely cramped for space below the left hand.My arms are long-as-fuck and I feel like I need to lean back farther than normal to have access to the keys.It's a fucking nightmare.
>>123324481>The great pianist Alfred Cortot once admitted that Enescu's piano proficiency was superior to his own. Enescu was also blessed with a photographic memory (he knew most Western musical masterpieces, including some 150 Bach Cantatas, by heart).>Pablo Casals said he was the most phenomenal musical talent since Mozart.... The many tales of his boundless energy and facility simply boggle the mind. Once, as part of an impromptu lesson for an enthralled Amadeus Quartet, he sat down at a piano for several hours and played all of the Beethoven string quartets, with running commentary, off the top of his head."Would absolutely have loved to meet Enescu and hear one of his impromptu lectures on Beethoven
Takemitsuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ9h_sqiMc0&list=OLAK5uy_nqSo-iVHaBenLYSKiCzMMlHzYmwsV4me8
>I can imagine the kind of Mahlerite who will loathe Gielen's recording, or any other that treats Mahler's late masterpiece in any other way but as a Late Romantic "cry-fest". The sort of Mahlerite you come across from time to time who sees the music as their personal therapy room or counselling service: "Dr. Mahler will see you now. Lie on the couch". The opportunity for a primal scream or two, or a musical dose of Prozac.LOL
>>123324407I think that, to a certain degree, a person can intuit that there's something wrong with a recording (or anything else), whether it's something superficial like an instrument out of tune, background noise or something else. Not as in "I don't like", but rather, "there's something weird with this but I don't know why".
now playing(first track in playlist)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enZpIhIPwH4&list=OLAK5uy_l_OppHCSqVOATLaMg7v4xqZNRPCbCL6h4&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l_OppHCSqVOATLaMg7v4xqZNRPCbCL6h4I've said this before, but I love listening to overtures and other short-to-mediumish orchestral pieces in-between listening to symphonies and other larger, grander works, anyone else do this? I plan on continuing my playthrough and refreshment of Mozart and Haydn's symphonies, so this wonderful collection of Mozart's overtures, lead by one of the all-time master Mozart conductors Bohm, felt like a natural and wonderful choice. Open to more suggestions of other great short orchestral works or overtures from this era, so feel free to suggest some recordings, thanks!
>>123324882if you aren’t familiar with beethoven’s overtures, you should be.
>>123324952They're alright but of the all the composers in the upper tiers, even the second-and third-rate ones, I find Beethoven's overtures to be the least interesting. Do you have a recording you could suggest perhaps, one that might change my mind and enlighten me to their majesty?
>>123324987if you don't find the consecration of the house overture to be the single most fascinating piece of orchestral music at around 10 minutes long, you've lost your mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR8W2ueVfgw
>>123325011Oh shit I actually have that recording, haha, forgot about it. I add so many in a day that it often causes me to forget about some of them, and then I end up listening to something else instead. I'll listen to it after this Mozart 36 (Jochum / BRSO) ends, thanks.
This is the best of Haitink's Bruckner 9ths, ye? Fuckin' so many multiple recordings with the same orchestra with this dude...
>>123325110earlier seems to usually be better with haitink, and conveniently for us, all his earliest recordings were issued by philips in big cycle boxes.
>>123311714Just realised female musicians were non-existent in pre 20th century orchestras. This means all the greats were literally ALL by boy bands.
>>123325125You mean Decca? And yeah comparing the track times, the pic I posted in the 9th that's in the Decca box. Which I suppose makes this pic the meh one, and the LSO one just sucks.
>>123325157philips and decca used to be 2 different things until decca bought philips and started reissuing all of philips recordings under their own name. now decca is owned by UMG alongside DG and hyperion (didn't even realize this one until i just looked it up), meaning a metric fuckload of recordings are being issued under completely different labels from their original release just cuz.
Thank you to the anon who recommended me/posted a link quoted to me the Karl Forster / BPO / St. Hedwigs-Kathedrale Berlin Choir recording of Bruckner's Mass no. 2, finally listening to it and my god, it is divine.if anyone else wants to give it a try, here's the first movement and clicking the link takes you to a playlist for the rest:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ika6tMbom1o&list=OLAK5uy_nTnI2SHcjK3pNmBdzrtupIaTkZCP6dGXo&index=1
>>123325298also forgot to mention that DG owns ECM, westminster, command classics, and a dozen other tiny now-defunct classical labels, meaning everything made by them has probably been issued under DG's name despite not being a DG recording.
>>123325298>>123325319Well shit, that finally explains a lot, haha, was wondering why these old school, highly acclaimed, and famous classic Philips recordings kept getting bundled into a set and released by Decca in recent times and the present day, lol. Thanks. At least it appears they seem to be picking the best recordings, at least from my handful of encounters with the situation.
So many fuckin' well-loved Bruckner 9 recordings to choose from, goddamn, you guys weren't kidding when you said trying to decide the recording situation with Bruckner was almost on the same level of experience as dealing with Mahler recordings. Honeck, Kubelik, Wand, or Haitink... or re-listen to Jochum, Giulini, Skrowaczewski, Karajan, among others... ahhhh it's too much! I guess Kubelik's never let me down.Sorry to bug ya'll with my autism and recording indecisions ("just pick one, fuckface!"), airing it out helps me think as well as allows for maybe someone to offer their own thoughts on the matter to help me out.
Ravelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdZR3deNdI
>>123325319>>123325357I think it happened few years ago, Warner and Sony went on a shopping spree buying every label they could find.
>>123325454This one is one of my favorite Bruckner 9s. Minor flub towards the end of the third movement, though.
>>123325824Oh really? Thanks, I appreciate the input. I love Kubelik, and am almost never disappointed in his work and in fact pretty much love every recording of his that I'm a fan of -- any fault or negative is almost exclusively the domain of the production and/or mastering (eg his Schumann). I hold him in as high esteem as I do any of my favorite conductors; my only hesitation is I'm just not sure how he is as a conductor of Bruckner, so I'm glad to read you write that. Listening to it now, the Handel op. 6 was excellent, of course, and the Bruckner 9 is beginning, definitely excited!
>>123325600I need more pieces like these in my lifehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBKQ1w-VqSwI know Scriabin and Rautavaara.
>>123326307You'll probably like this Ravel album by the Labequeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahxrngICxKs
>>123326427I'll give it a listen.I haven't listened to his piano duets since I typically stick to solo piano.That piece you posted kind of reminds me of Pavane for a Dead Princess. It's nice, but I want strange colorful harmonies/angst mixed in with lush beauty.
Percy Grainger - The Warriorshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFvIyP631yE
Listened to Mozart's Concerto for Flute & Harp today. Feeling based.
recomend me some bruckner 8 to upload to my youtube channel
>>123326631asuka is hot but she is giving me the back...
Palmgrenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJlADZktP78&list=OLAK5uy_k4590Ip-kkuBtkPCStusL_cDG1YOYS3j0
>>123326644Maazel / BPO is the latest one I listened to that I really loved.
>>123326781simply terrible
Grieghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxYQ9dKFKXI&list=OLAK5uy_mQC9rjr5reYi4jx2--u_hGgPhgveFEspM
Now Listening to:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5M8rHZdehQ
>>123326834but enough about your posts
>>123321596the retarded tradition of playing Bach with enough vibrato to make you nauseous, an orchestra large enough to sound like their favorite Romantislop composer, and generally make it sound like shit, of course!
>>123326988nice
>>123327030laughably moronic>>123327037HIPsters never cease to embarrass themselves LOL
>>123327181Am a yuge fan of Vaughn Williams and am now trying out all of his students.
Recommended from a friend to tryout Biondi's recording of Four Seasons and man is it good:https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLyrS5_ErY3KQ6KAeraqPfQFeTumSPCMjA
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NySPaa4t7i4
>>123327731He recorded the whole work, which is 12 violin concertos. However, I can't find them on youtube.
What's everyone's favorite Schubert String Quintet? What a wonderful work this is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQkbfynZ3Xs
>>123330586i like both takacs recordings
>>123330586https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuT8-xpKJy0
>>123330586The Takacs ones are great as mentioned, but my lifelong favorites and the ones I started with, which if I had to be honest are probably not as good as I see them as with nostalgia undoubtedly being a bit of a factor, are the famous Alban Berg Quartet with the magnificent H. Schiff and then pic related.
>>123330586Taneyev + Rostropovich or Petersen + Gerhardt are my favorites The latter is a live recording that I've been meaning to upload on my channel, has the craziest Scherzo you'll ever hear.
>>123330712Added that first one, thanks. Man that's such a nice, clean, tasteful cover, the one I added on YouTube Music is one of those shit generic MS Paint ones, lame.
>>123324484After experimenting with different techniques, I realized that I was trying to be super smooth with my left hand and I was moving my wrist and switching to pinky, ring, and middle fingers to hit those 9ths and 10ths with my thumb, but I wasn't really moving my arm that much, which contributed to the tension I was feeling.I'm still open to other ideas/advice.
>>123330683hurwitz is in love with that alban berg recording too, but i don't know, i've always found it really sterile and unimaginative.
>>123330586Hagen Quartet.
>>123330743It was the OG cover for it before DG and Melodiya couldn't settle the rights dispute on the recording. It was never released until the big Rostropovich box actually.I wonder how that transfer on YouTube sounds. Most transfers of this recording sucked before the release on the Rostropovich box.
Are the Giulini recordings of Brucker 7-9 overrated or should I keep giving it more listens in hopes it finally clicks?
>>123331164the 9th is great. 7 and 8 are a bit odd in terms of tempo if you ask me.
>>123331185Alright thanks. I do love the works but whenever I listen to his I feel nothing at all, but I'll at least keep trying the 9th and if that eventually clicks I'll retry his 7th and 8th as well. In the meantime I'll listen to others.
I remember a post a while back saying that as far as Mendelssohn's orchestral music goes, his overtures are actually the peak of his creative vision and artistic craft, and I've come to agree. Still love his choral works the best, followed by his string ensemble music, but the overtures are far superior to his symphonies and incidental music.
now playingstart of Symphony of Psalms:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzBlWvinn4I&list=OLAK5uy_nsy9oR2FHEaXr5Z_UhV9Hm9jgD2c2p7BM&index=3start of Symphony in C Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ3NrIewTLQ&list=OLAK5uy_nsy9oR2FHEaXr5Z_UhV9Hm9jgD2c2p7BM&index=6start of Symphony in 3 Movements:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQEovmMugK8&list=OLAK5uy_nsy9oR2FHEaXr5Z_UhV9Hm9jgD2c2p7BM&index=8https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nsy9oR2FHEaXr5Z_UhV9Hm9jgD2c2p7BM
>>123331164I think his 9th is about ideal in terms of the sound he gets from the orchestra, but I do wish it was faster.
>>123315762sharp, or augmented or whatever minor triad. I don't know what the tonica is, C would be my guess.I'm bad at all this harmony shit, I just play the notes on the sheet music man.
>>123329100>soviet singing wagnerWhat era is this? Must be early.
>>123331946it's a Vb13 chord: C, E, Bb, Ab.
>>123333087Who the fuck can stretch that?I can hold E, Bb, C, Ab .. but can't plop it down because my pinky needs to be on the edge of the E.Why was I born with such small hands? Cursed.
>>123333142then use both hands. Another one you can try out is the Cii13 chord:C, Eb, Bb, A
>>123333224My other hand is doing other things.Can only reach from C to F. I ain't no Rachmaninoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k49dexw5uec&t=10m07sCan anyone rec me something similar?
now playingfirst on the playlist, then listing the ones with the most plays/views for a sampling if you wanna try some:Mephisto Waltz No. 1, S. 110/2 (Orch. Version):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loud6FguK_g&list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvc&index=2Mazeppa, Symphonic Poem No. 6, S. 100:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy1k4fuux8U&list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvc&index=6Tasso, Symphonic Poem No. 2, S. 96:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqFubbd8xOE&list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvc&index=8Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2, S. 244/2 (Orch. Müller-Berghaus in C Minor):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4r4NgHgjTE&list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvc&index=9https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvcReally intrigued to see how Liszt sounds under the baton of Karajan, could be a great combo.
What is the point of dotted rhythms? Can they be heard?Please explain to a newbie.
>>123334639one of the most bizarrely retarded posts to ever be made in /classical/
Why can't we just go back? You know back to dressing elegantly and attending Operas with your confidants. Instead we are stuck in an endless loop of attention economy where you sell your dignity to earn a livelihood. >>123331313Still inferior to Wagner.
>>123335315so true wagnersister, you would look so stunning and brave in a victorian evening gown.
>>123335336That I would... that I would. Rather shame how fashion evolved over the years.
>>123335361too bad they don't make corsets for trannies
>>123335368I am not sexually attracted to anything or anyone in particular. But I won't mind an evening session of Opera with friends that share the same thoughts and will. Actually scratch that, we should all just jump on a ship and dash towards a hurricane. Dying on the bed sounds boring... I would rather like to go out drowning at sea.
>>123335423yes, i'm sure you'd like to join the 41%, wagnersister
>>123331313Mendelssohn's choral music is straight up trash next to his overtures. What are you smoking?
>>123335513The shorter choral stuff I've heard from him is only above average, I'll admit (eg the Psalms, Motets, various songs), but Elijah is Mendelssohn's greatest masterpiece.
Nothing better than an opera by the LORD Wilhelm Richard Wagner... except maybe men?
>>123336004kekI am gonna put on some Wagner orchestral music tho
Man literally every conductor has a recording of some form of Wagner's orchestral music and/or overtures, huh?relevant pic and awful, funny cover
https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mhaxmqRuB7i7Zi3jhQ5DijtaGZ8WJvKdk&si=p8jDp5vdf_IfbnBv
>>123336217Wow I thought your post was one of mine for a moment, down to the image filename lol. That's from Bernstein's first recording of the work, ye? Is it better than the more popular second go-around with the Boston Symphony Orchestra? That one is excellent.
The Foundation of Musical Action Cannot be Music TheoryHere's why:1. We consider that A is the conceptual ground or foundation of B when the cognition of B is impossible without the cognition of A, and A is immediately certain for our intuition. We say that A gives a semantical self-image, for it does not need further explanation, but B cannot produce a semantical self-image.2. Music Theory has developed since Antiquity with the aid of mathematics, reaching today a fully mathematical status.3. Mathematics is a formalized symbolic language.4. Tarski’s theorem states that a formalized language cannot produce a semantical self-image.Therefore, music theory could not be the ground of musical action or of anything else.In fact, music theory -as well as musical action- are based on the social life of the human group, which in turn are based on the homeostatic protocols for survival: emotions.
>>123336339not /classical/, try >>>/lit/ instead
So this is the definitive Brucker 3, ye?
>>123336480bohm is better
>>123336857thank you wignat schizo
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxLlFqIyRZ0
I'm embarrassed to admit I didn't realize there are two Cherubini Requiems.
now playing (the Dixit Dominus)start of Handel's "Dixit Dominus":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cequDusr5_8&list=OLAK5uy_kdpy_ognFpbXnPPjLl4SQGDVqou1mBu84&index=10https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kdpy_ognFpbXnPPjLl4SQGDVqou1mBu84&si=L3r-pwSkLSG1uJmQYou can always count on Handel for choral compositions of the highest musical genius. For anon's who don't normally listen to choral music, check out the movement I posted above and I guarantee you'll fall in love.
>>123336893thanks for the report schlomosisterRousselhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8qGvxIELKY&list=OLAK5uy_lEa7GeyDyBhU7sjlkgKHDp64OWh_5RYZs
now playingstart of Franck's "Symphony in D Minor":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW7eJidtfBw&list=OLAK5uy_kmVH4TyMmPCEJOMHpBOemy-QdV8Zz4UfU&index=2start of Stravinsky's "Petrouchka":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MJYtWroB8M&list=OLAK5uy_kmVH4TyMmPCEJOMHpBOemy-QdV8Zz4UfU&index=4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kmVH4TyMmPCEJOMHpBOemy-QdV8Zz4UfU
>negative review about Karajan's recording of Bruckner 3>complaining it's a Wagnerian reading of Bruckner, calling it a "most inappropriate and displeasing" rendition>on a symphony literally nicknamed "Wagner," quotes Wagner's music, shown to Wagner for his approval and dedicated to himI think a Wagnerian 'reading' is *most* appropriate, friend, and if Bruckner were alive he'd be quite pleased.
>>123337637thank you schizophrenic ban evading wignat>>123338078bruckner would be pleased with literally any performance of his work, he did not give a shit about interpretation.
>>123338078The weird thing about Karajan's Bruckner is that he chooses a tempo and then sticks with it for the entire movement, everything at the exact same pace, no flexibility whatsoever ... I haven't heard any other Bruckner recordings quite so rigid
Rachmaninoffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuYAK8Ir5kA&list=OLAK5uy_m2WhzfMJgol9XTEf8cCOMWKzCY4W4m6-A>>123338187lol, I only got a warning schlomosister
Listen to fucking Gluck
>>123338487if you say so, schizophrenic ban evading wignat
Listen to fucking G.R.A.U.N.https://youtu.be/5lYvduY4t58?si=AGElEALg8ghL6WO6
What's tragic about Schubert's 4th?
>>123338748minor mode
>Anon, my feet are so sweaty after performing the complete solo lute works of J. S. Bach on my electric guitar at the school festival, can you give them a good long massage?what do?
I really like Janacek's Glagolitic Mass. I fell in love with Kubelik's recording, and today finally decided to try out a bunch of other recordings -- I added Shaw, two Mackerras (one Chandos / Danish NSO, one Supraphon / Prague Phil. [or Prazsky fil. if you prefer]), Wit / Warsaw Phil., Ancerl / Czech Phil, and Neumann / Czech Phil.Should be a lot of fun, Kubelik's account for DG is amazing and I think for choral music he's always first-rate (in fact it actually comes paired with Dvorak's Stabat Mater, which is even more brilliant as a complete romantic rendition of the work [Shaw's is equally stunning but as usual is stronger in the choral elements and weaker in the orchestral]), Wit is hit-and-miss but always has good ideas and when he does hit it's always with excellent results like with his Brahms orchestral chorus works, Ancerl's seems to the historical reference work, I'm never disappointed with Neumann and music from this region is always one of his strong suits, and lastly I'm a massive fan of anything involving Shaw, whether he's the conductor as he is in most cases of recordings or just the chorus director like with the brilliant Beethoven's Missa Solemnis with Szell. Mackerras I'm not really huge on but Hurwitz seems to consider both of his versions at different times reference recordings so it's worth a shot, and making things more fun, he also often lists the Kubelik and Ancerl recordings among reference recordings of the mass, and for the review of the Wit release, gave it that same honor as well. So great music all around!If you've never heard the work before, here's a link to the first movement/track of a playlist of the Ancerl recording:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbd9Z8qPnJA&list=OLAK5uy_mCfOelyXayFB2bkwqceeUa1TeD50bUAxc&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mCfOelyXayFB2bkwqceeUa1TeD50bUAxc
>>123338254One of the reasons I don't really like his Bruckner that much.
>>123338887>electric guitarI spit on her feet and leave.
>>123339120Oh, and for those not familiar, it's one of the great choral masterpieces of the 20th century, with a unique blend of late romantic, early modernist, and Czech elements. If you like, say, Stravinsky's Symphony of Psalms, you'll love it. Just brilliant, beautiful music all around with a dramatic, colorful creative vision.
>>123339216don’t reply to the tranime coomer
>>123338887>of course my sweet darling, I will massage them voraciously with my elegant tongue
>>123338078he likes Bruckner and yet vehemently hates Wagner, he doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>123340158maybe he isn't trans, ever considered that sister?
Martinu's 2nd symphony is so, so good, catchy and engaging right from the jump.
Rhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zrcdWWDlKU
now playingstart of Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, D. 759 "Unfinished":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jynB-t1mUnY&list=OLAK5uy_lcHG-D8ifsJk33UekVXs7CSuAjfpCWBrI&index=1start of Symphony No. 9 in C Major, D. 944 "The Great":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nU1BSdGKK8&list=OLAK5uy_lcHG-D8ifsJk33UekVXs7CSuAjfpCWBrI&index=4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lcHG-D8ifsJk33UekVXs7CSuAjfpCWBrI
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26NRd4xiC60&t=1321
>>123341210some of the most ghastly schubert conducting ever
Why is Mahler such a droning bore?
>>123341403because you are trans, wagnersister
>>123341429Wagner and Mahler fans are the same people.
>>123341551mahlerians aren’t trans, wagnersister
Strauss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdkC2wDx53A&list=OLAK5uy_kTbnmoV1Fxh8CpnOWesY574AItczwTIkc>>123341577they are, schlomosister
>>123341607do second rate wignat sisters really
>>123341934does that ever works?
>>123341951no, not when the spammer is a janny.
>>123341403I used to feel that way about Bruckner. If the recording is bad I still do sometimes.
>>123341934>>123342006thank you schizo wignat sister>>123341951excellent question ESL sister
>>123342032i'm still learning man, give me a break
>>123342353thank you ranjeet
>>123341934kek this post got deleted but the spammers' didn't. what a joke of a website.
Roussehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX83oJYaRrU&list=OLAK5uy_nzJ6WtPJLZ_4YZEMlltqt8Mo26rJjhEWo>>123342642it's funny how quick she jumps to the report button
now playingstart of Debussy - La mer, CD 111:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHi7exDQ-_k&list=OLAK5uy_k1kcuh2TmUATzlj3_8XsbZ6QHVDatQ91k&index=2start of Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition (Orch. Ravel) :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRG5Nk9vGIA&list=OLAK5uy_k1kcuh2TmUATzlj3_8XsbZ6QHVDatQ91k&index=5Ravel - Boléro, M. 81https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjyK6pRKOw0&list=OLAK5uy_k1kcuh2TmUATzlj3_8XsbZ6QHVDatQ91k&index=19https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k1kcuh2TmUATzlj3_8XsbZ6QHVDatQ91k>>123341934kek this getting deleted is pretty funny
https://vocaroo.com/1frvZg1QfmaP
>>123342816I like a lot of Debussy's music but wow "La mer" is actual trash, I just hate "music" like that, if you can even call it that.
wowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFfVZ36K2bY&list=OLAK5uy_lYCvP1Gq1e5io6A1qtZ00cy6vqCu-MyEY&index=1
>>123342919It's quite a letdown. He should have called it "La Flaque D'eau (The Puddle).
gooning to Yuja rn
>>123343219get help.
>>123342642>>123342790thank you seething ban evading wignat schizos>>123342852stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
>>123343397https://vocaroo.com/11mos5pk57zt
>>123343429put your trip back on, ban evading pedophile
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>>123343447stop ban evading, groomer germ
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gxAUFYOUvs
>>123344904what should the next thread edition be? I'm thinking of Corelli.
I can tell you what it's like to try Wagner for the first time. I can tell you what it's like to try Wagner for the 10,000th time. But only one of those matters. What it's like to try for the 10,000th time is absolute hell. You sit there doing this dope that you hate. You hate yourself. You look around yourself. You have no friends, you have no family, you have no money, you have no car, you have no food, no job, you have no ambition. you do have a lot of guilt, shame and remorse. You have your memories of your sweet mother and father, your sisters and brother, your children. They're big now. They don't even know you. You can't go back and get all that time back that you've lost that you've spent doing this evil devil drug. No matter how hard you try you can't get back your lost time and your lost life.W
>>123341607Strauss was always better as a classicist. Can't believe he got bogged down in tone poems.
>>123345072that’s more to do with your gender transition than the number of times you listened to wagner, sister. >>123345120that’s why he will always be known as second rate.
>>123345149You're mentally ill.
>>123345120>Can't believe he got bogged down in tone poemsHe composed mainly operas, you idiot
>>123345153you're trans, and that's stunning and brave, sister.
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>>123345198Throughout the entire 1890s, with the exception of one insignificant first attempt, he was writing tone poems rather than operas. I would trade all of his tone poems for another concerto by the elderly Strauss.
>>123345301That's one fucking decade of his career. He was then an opera guy for the next 40 years.
strauss spent his entire career trying and failing to modernize figaro. truly second rate.
>>123345262Why are jannies not anal about spam but seethe to no end when someone makes a thread 3 posts before the bump limit?
>>123345334Because the autistic sister poster is a janny.
>>123345321>literally only listened to rosenkavalierlmfao
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>>123345338so true schizo sister>>123345348every strauss opera post-elektra is just failed mozart
>>123345072Wagner. Nothing else matters.
