conqueror editionold: >>123533915faq: https://pastebin.com/vHeAR1Bt
First for Morbid Angel sucks.
Kultur
>tranime>coreshitBeloved here!
>>123542026only by faggots with no taste
>>123542019>>123542021>>123542026kys
>>123542026Why do you insist on fucking up our general? Go fuckin kys tranny
BLASTINGS FUCKERS
Varg Vikernes about the Early Norwegian Scene gathering in Helvete(direct quotation):>Turns out that, pretty much everybody were so-called "racist", they were anti-immigration, they were pro-nationalist, we cultivated this
>>123542021Based
>>123542085Solitude kind of day
>>123542085Techy death metal without the sterile production and wankery
>>123542085We love Morbid Angel here.>>123542132Looks interesting. I'll give it a spin later.
>Varg Vikernes about the Earl-ACK!
>>123542153>We love Morbid Angel here.Correct.>>123542019Incorrect.
>>123542154>tfw listening to the newest Arghoslent
>>123542154shock collar?
>>123542154>not catsI sleep!
>>123542085
>>123542250schizo architect
>>123542270M.C. Escher metal
>>123542250>me going to work in the morning and coming up from the subway
>>123542085https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loOBQRderck
well, heh, time for Napalm Death
>>123542085>>123542250one of the best thrash bands around today
>>123542196I don't know what emotion this is supposed to be. Incredulity? Doesn't really make sense in context.
these album covers make me cringe
>>123542505this is a little more your speed
biggest retard in metal?
>>123542085https://masterscallofficial.bandcamp.com/album/a-journey-for-the-damned
>>123542568*raises spork*
https://youtu.be/Ye4RCmpz6fo?si=AvtTuoyiHtDk4SPF
>>123542497I just saw it as a mixture of pain and despair.
>>123542568Every member of an RABM band is tied for first.
>>123542568VargJon from Iced Earththe Batushka guyNiklas Kvarforth
>>123542568michael kiske for becoming christian
>>123542607>Jon from Ice EarthIs he still in prison?
>>123542568Glen benton
>>123542568>>123542479
>>123542626house arrest atm
>>123542568Werwolf
>>123542568me
>>123542010Finally, a based /metal/ op
>>123542635leave
>>123542690based
>>123542796he's taken
>>123542026>coreshitcringe/metal/ is an anime brutal technical blackened melodeath general
this is actually a punk general
>>123542863Kys tranny
>>123542907rent free
>>123542568Also the most based
What the fuck do I even write lyrics about
>>123542725Kiss my balls
>>123542994Violence, gore, the occult, horror movies, abstract nonsense to trick midwits. Endless possibilities.
>>123542994politics of course!
first metal band that comes to mind?
>>123543160Gloryhammer
>>123542994Whatever, as long as it's honest
tell me, don't yousee what ain't therewhen you look in the mirroryou're miles away, like a candle burning down
>>123543198Better than most metal lyrics Keep it up, brother
>>123543160Primus
>>123543228Those are Avantasia lyrics.
>>123543329Well then it's shit
>>123543198high school diary-core
>>123543345It's sung by a woman as well.https://youtu.be/7RHh7xRXskg?t=27
>>123543362Well then it's good
>{person name}'s {band}100% guaranteed to be unlistenable shit for fags.
>makes one good album after nearly 30 years of making music>everything after it is complete shitWhat the fuck actually happened?
>>123543404>The Satanist>good
>>123543404One of the most over hyped metal albums of all time. Pitchforkbabbies' second album after they got tired of Filosofem.
>>123543424I don't think it's mindblowing like everyone else seemingly did but Blow Your Trumpets Gabriel and O Father O Satan O Sun are killer tracks. The rest of the album is bretty decent, by far their best effort.
>>123543448I dunno man, it's fine, but I feel like those tracks you dropped have been done better by other bands. The whole "grandiose i fukken love satan" song concept wasn't anything new to me.If you just mean good as like "yeah its good, 6/10" then I can get behind that, but I never really listen to it as it didn't grab me at all.
>>123542021Kultur.
>>123543487By good I do mean 6-7/10, depending on my mood. I just think it stands as an extreme outlier in their catalog because the rest of their music is shit.
sataaaaaaaaaaaanraaaaaaaaaaaawrI fucking love satan!!raaaaaooooarscreeeeeeeeeee
>>123543520Step it up and make it a love song.https://youtu.be/RPWbBbqa47c?si=a0r8A5ha4qGJVCXZ
>>123543520Based Dark Funeral vocalist
>>123543520pic related
>>123543448>O Father O Satan O SunWhich is mostly a boring Kashmir-style riff broken but also the best track on the album by far. I really think that the selling point of The Satanist was the band's aesthetic, basically a very "serious" theistic Satanism which you can contrast with the overwhelming of black metal musicians who aren't really threatening or offensive as much as they are edgy and immature. It was an entry point in the genre that a certain person could admit they listen to not only without being embarrassed but while showing their tolerance for something dark and evil. Without the aesthetic and the imagery and marketing surrounding it, I don't think the album would have been as popular.
>>123543531Reminds me of this. (I love this)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYxs4C1b_HU&list=OLAK5uy_k1k2FCJzZrIp9boWMSdD-TcF_z75v7SFM&index=5
>>123543553>open all the lyrics>ctrl+f "satan">0 results
Do we love rock/metal opera here?
>>123543612I was going to listen to this but it's about gay new york shit.
>>123543585>Genre: Progressive/Power Metal>Themes: Psychological cleansing, Purity of body and mindAbsolutely fucking FOUL
>>123543649I love those tracks in the middle of the album>A Journey To Nowhere>Black>Blacker>Blackest
>>123543657does seem like the kind of thing you'd listen to if you're into things getting blacker
>>123543664Sometimes I like to imagine a black void, but it isn't a void, it's home.
>>123543588The album's name is referring to Satan.
>>123543695>cletus = satanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf4kqybpkdI
>>123543695Could've picked SMRC which literally opens with "Oh Satan, I acknowledge you as the great destroyer"
>>123543691I imagine you mostly just think of being bottom for an anthropomorphic eagle or any animal really.
>>123543695It's still not as much satan as loads of other albums, and a lot of DsO is less "I HECKIN LOVE SATAN" and more just articulating how he's supposed to work or be.Kenose or >>123543725 are probably more THE Satan albums for them.
>>123543553Loved dearly by all who reside here
>>123543588>watch beloved swedish comedy series Macken from the 80s>last words spoken are "SATAN SATAN SATAN"https://youtu.be/IPg8qChXd_A?t=2370whatdidtheymeanbythis
SETH PUTNAM IS BURNING IN HELL!!!
>>123543742Usually when I fall asleep I imagine gripping a giant beast(like a gryphon) and saying "hold me.... hold me......." and then when it grabs me with it's claw I hold on to its (male) claw and then his big beak will preen my long hair (falling out).And then I grip his big muscluar tight body and speak with deep soul in to his ear:IWANT TO WAKE UPINYOURARMShttps://youtu.be/nxY-BNP7t7w?list=PLeddF0N3V2BSMsRGc1AvZ451fkBE3qn1P&t=284
>>123543792This makes me now wonder what song/album says "satan" the most times.Shit like https://youtu.be/Qjg90Kg_UL4?si=inpEqeX2KqqdNTSW&t=45
dso fans are the tool fans of black metal
Anal Nutsack is retard music
>>123543834I quite literally do not care about a single thing you say, I will just keep calling you the homosexual furry who hasn't produced a single thing despite years of claiming you will.
>>123543856"in the constellation" kicks your favorite album's ass
>>123543856>retard musicSo absolutely based?Besides, this is an INTELLECTUAL's choice of album cover
>>123543861You're tickled with me; enamoured.
Paracletus > Synarchy > Katechon > Furnaces = Fas > Drought > earlier crap
>>123543883The only thing you want tickled is your prostate.
>>123543895prostate massages are metal and kvlt as fuck
>>123543725I was joking, I think their lyrics are a little dorky and self serious but yeah I could have chosen a different example like >>123543767 or SMRCParaclete means Holy Ghost and directly translate to advocate/comforter. If you read the lyrics with that in mind you'll come to realize the name is being used ironically and is referring to Satan rather than God. My understanding of the album is that humans are fundamentally corrupt and have driven God from this world or caused him to abandon us leaving us to take comfort in the only person who share our fate, Satan.All that bullshit is to say that the album is very much about Satan and his relationship to mankind. Although I'm unsure if they think the relationship is a good or bad thing.
>>123543889Paracletus > Fas >Furnaces > Kenose > SMRC > most of the other EPs > all the other shit >>>>>>>>>> Synarchy
>>123543895I have no interest in penises and I think anal is very undesirable.
>>123542568David Ellefson
>>123543856The vocalist has a master's degree after doing a dissertation on objective moral theory or some shit, I don't remember.
if cattle decapitation are so brutal and hateful and misanthropic why did they write a pro-trans song? shouldn't they hate trans people too?
>>123543889>>123543915Synarchy > Paracletus > Kenose = Katecheon = Drought > FAS > Diabolus Absconditus/Mass Grave Aesthetics > Furnaces >> SMRC >>> everything else
>>123543946They probably aren't actually misanthropic and simply just hate women.
>>123543952>Synarchy >Stopped reading and dismissed as laughable.
>>123543946Making someone turn trans, and encouraging them to do it, is a fate worse than death.Sounds pretty hateful to me.
>>123543961Sucks to get filtered :(
>>123543980Can't get filtered by their simplest and most one-note album outside of the first 2.
wait people actually like deathspell omega?
>>123544063no we only listen to them as a joke
>>123544063I only like them ironically.
>>123544075I only listen to music as a joke. People don't actually like music, right?
>>123544084i wonder what the 1st artist is>>123544088correct. we hate music here
>>123544096>i wonder what the 1st artist isIt's embarrassing.
>>123544111sde is just an emo version of alcest, correct?
>>123544136Depends which album you listen to, some aren't even that metal and some aren't really blackgaze.But yes it's sadfag shit.
>>123543841Correct.
>>123544187Is it cathartic sadfag shit?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBxOpQ7EgJA
>>123544232Again, depends on the release. The dude had some BM leanings and then other times more focus on postrock/postpunk.Like here's your cataharsis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVTUY4JDSLw (namely from when it kicks off at 2:20 ish)or even https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J21J6ajyV3A despite not being that metalbut I'm more a fan of the tired/defeated shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9cbVak8Yfc
>>123543946Cattle Redditation is buttmetal and we hate that here
>>123542085Bro's skin care game is out of this worldhttps://youtu.be/Ll066OfhKNA?si=HlTR96rFFVtIjuBC
>>123544063Why wouldn’t I? DsO is pretty jammin actually
>>123544353How old is he?
>>123544277The second one isn't too bad. The first one was too forlorne.
Who is the Elon musk of the metal world
>>123544433Ozzy
>>123544433Jari
>>123544433Jdawg
>>123544426Eh I dunno mate, but really the "I Wish I Would Never Wake Up" release which the first one is off of is probably his most meal one.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZ0uiolVrwOtherwise you're stuck trying to find the odd metal track amongst all the rest that dabble in post rock/punk more.He's basically barely metal, and only pulled from it from time to time. My favourites by him aren't really that metal.https://youtu.be/jiojMzGZ7cA?si=WvyM-DNoiQ5OAY8h
>>123544433Dave Mustaine
>>123544433Me because I am always late.
>>123544494Just two more years, baby
A wizard is never late
>>123544475>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVZ0uiolVrwI love this.
>>123542217nice webm
>>123544577nor is he early
>77>vargzard is never late>777>nor is he earlyVargvbros??
>>123542092Artist: DarkthroneAlbum: PanzerfaustSong: Beholding The Throne of Might>And destruction upon the holy man>Who hails a jew
>>123544941Artist: DarkthroneAlbum: Transilvanian HungerSong: Transilvanian Hunger>Transilvanian Hunger...
>>123544968... from a lacerated sky
post only the most based live performanceshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbFKKjDHIg8
>>123545040
>>123545052>name 3 songs
>>123545052What was the hammer price?
>>123545040Dismember - Live Blasphemieshttps://youtu.be/HO_nwRoxSBg
>>123545040Satanic Warmaster live in... Mexicohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2a6UQcQRk4
>>123545118bifocal core
Seeing Goatwhore next saturday alone cause none of my friends want to go with me. Not really a Goatwhore fan but I love concerts so it's alrightwhat am I in for bros?also first for Von Goat
>>123545148With Vitriol and Necrofier? That show came through my town the other day. It was great. All three bands put on a good show. Vitriol absolutely killed it though. His vocals are unreal live, I was not expecting him to pull it off.
redpill me on lizzy borden
>>123545118My nigga looks like Benjamin Franklin
>>123545191Awesome I've never really listened to Vitriol so I gotta catch up before I go. I wish I coulda caught a date with Thantifaxath too but it's all good.
We have grindcore, metalcore, deathcore... but when do we get blackcore?
>>123545238Their newest album is really good, but you can't go wrong with any of their releases.
>>123545259It’s called Norsecore. What a lot of bands started playing after a few albums. Dark Funeral, Obtained Enslavement, Marduk, Mayhem, Gorgoroth, Watain
>>123542021I really like this album, if it was you that posted it as an OP image maybe a week ago thank you for that.
i really like black metal that has pro-european themes, but most nsbm is kinda cringe
/meal/ utterly obliterated as the posers you are
>>123546076Correct.
>>123546076leftoids desparately trying to hang onto the 'anti-establishment' aesthetic
>>123542021this is the correct answer
>>123546076>can't reject weird peopleI thought trump was weird??
>>123546076I can do whatever the hell I want to. Funny how that works.
>>123546076No lies detected. /metal/ will screech, but the metal scene at large has completely left chuds behind.
>>123542994For me, it will be /x/ themed BM
>>123543424Its good faggot, just not groundbreaking.
>Reddit was right! The chud boogeyman is real!
>>123544577>>123544777witnessed
>>123542994write about how gay you arelike Morbid Angel
VARG = GAY, HAS AIDS
YOUR GOD WON'T HEAR YOUFUCKING SCREEEAAAAAMMM
how did they get it so wrong?
Decided to check it out to see what all the hate was about. It has absolutelly no rifs.
>>123547068fine album overhated by opportunistic, spiteful libtards acting in bad faith.
>>123547116no I’m a huge fan and was massively disappointed it just straight up sucks, not just the production, just utterly forgettable riffs. everything sounds like a weird rehash
>>123542085These threads have been downright comfy latelyAre we back?
Burzum (NEW)
New York Death Metal
I accidentally ripped part of my thumbnail off and it hurts more than I expected Why the fuck is that part below your nails so painful? why does it hurt for it just to be exposed?and most importantly, song recommendation for this???
How did they get it so right?
>>123547397I don't know any songs about being a crybaby retard, sorry
>>123547422You have never had a nail ripped off before have you?
>>123542085gem
forced memes and shilled albums will be ignored
>>123547116ice cream truck riffs just get old
>>123547416the vocals make this. everything else is just okay
Limited edition LP press of Anon's demo
YOUR LAST MORTAL HOURS SPENT BOUND TO A POST
>>123542085>>123542153>>123542446>>123542444>>123547272not the guy but based blastings
we writing an album about demon nazis? fuck yeah we are!
breddy gud
maybe this has already been posted but RIP to the guy from abigor. I wonder why he killed himself.
>>123548008mental illness
>>123548008mental wellness. life is a disease and it only makes sense to rid yourself of it by means of a bullet or rope regimen
>>123548419Chuds
>>123545040https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma5V3nakAIw&t=37Death metalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHDP22k8Tlk&t=30The fucking retard cannot even play basic tremolo riffs,hahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmNyOP4uOBk&t=35Arghoslent playing one of their only good SONGShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BT92vfE8qQ&t=3Conformation that they can really play their songshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2aF-n2hgBc&t=647The best cryptopsy lineup playing the songs off their best albumhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fqyFmww9eY&t=98Emperor
>>123548149Life is indeed gloom and doom but you can live well to spite it! We should be spit in the face of the misery and find our own meaning!
I shouldn’t like this band but I do
>>123542154
>>123547865you are correct
>>123542607>the Batushka guyWhich one?
>>123545259No, black metal is the antithesis of core-metal
>>123542085I'm supposed to be listening Time II right now but instead I keep coming back to this.
>>123545259>>123549069Abigail Williams was 15 years ago, zoomer. Also, this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkt6e3bEDqc
aoty so far?
>>123549107We don't spoonfeed tourists here
listening to colored sands lads
HEIL ARGHOSLENThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=708bR9P4CEM
>>123549081Coreshit, not black metal.
>>123549107
>>123549127https://voca.ro/1h1EIgbisxBM
Gelal necrosodomy is a fucking idiot and should diehttps://voca.ro/1fnb1KxhJG9T
>>123549241but not before putting out another banger album with argho and gbk
>>123542085A bunch of GWAR lately, chronological order. It was War Party today, Beyond Hell tomorrow.
>>123542085bretti gud
>>123549301Shut the fuck up idiot
>>123549352what the fuck are you gonna do low life? make a 5 minute recording about me?
>>123549360APE, I make enough to Purchase Alexander halacs entire argentinian b subhuman family and still have enough to buy all gelal Related products off the internet and set it ALL on fire off a months work.You and gaylol negrosodomy are mentally retarded and deserve to die for your LIFE FAILURES
What other websites do you use to discover metal?
>Can't drum for shit>Shit Vocalist >Fat as fuck> Publicly a Pedophile race tratior I hope he dies of autoerotic asphyxiation.
>>123547155>just utterly forgettable riffsNah I hear good riffs in there, Terra Nullis has some of my favourite Argho guitars, but the production gives it no chance of being any good.
>>123549409None really. At most my routine is if I want something new but /metal/ isn't providing anything then:>pick an artist I want to hear more of, or a favourite in a genre I want more of>similar artists on MA, and find the ones that are at least in the same genre as otherwise their algorithm is shit>similar on last.fm if that doesn't give me muchor>just go to a site full of metal downloads, usually getmetal>search the newest releases>search by genre>download anything that looks like I won't hate it
>>123549456>but the production gives it no chance of being any good.Not a excuseHere's some albums with a abysmal production job that manages to be enjoyablehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFxjNX0g4V0&t=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yYXAzvziLw&t=2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNVmPrfe08Y&t=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_iSWuXRop8&t=1
>>123549503black metal in a nutshell
>>123549503I wasn't just saying "bad production = bad song" you fuckwit, the production is just flat out not enjoyable. Arghoslent have bragged about Arsenal of Glory being "inaccessible" and it still sounds good. Terra Nullis is still a song I really like in spite of the production, it would just be better if it was actually more distorted and crusty if anything.Resuscitation just sounds bad. It's muddy and sucks any meat out of the riffs. It's not so lo-fi it makes the riffs sound raw and aggro, it just makes the album sound like I'm listening to it off a cassette player at the bottom of a bath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ck0RGpk1vs>THERES A LITTLE OLD MAN, I COULD REALLY USE HIS COMPANYGay asf chorus lyrics. I love the first 3 mercyful fate albums (and the ep) but I can't stand king diamonds lyrics when hes not singing about random satan shit. He doesn't even bother finding cool vocal patterns in king diamond, its just shitting out his stupid lyrics about shit I dont care about, much like this mercyful fate album. Damn, what a shame!
>>123549572https://voca.ro/13pYEjzpeCdz
Still never clicked a vocaroo
>>123549637don't. they are cringe.
>>123542430based
>>123543834based and in love with the spirit of man pilled
>>123546660Correct.
What was the most expensive metal merch you bought?
>>123549852what even is there other than shirts and records? I guess a hoodie
Loving the spirit of man is not metal. Metal is feminine.
Still the best outro ever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPtwzr9804
Post bands where every 2nd album is better.
>>123549852motorhead played a gig in my small new zealand home town in the 90s and they made a shirt that says my towns name that was given to attendees. I brought one of them for a few hundred dollars last year
>>123545259Black metal is already core. It's just the name that's wrong.
>>123550130Correct. Black punk would be a much more accurate name.
>>123550130>>123550189Black metal has zero punk in it. The only type of "black metal" than can be refered to as black punk is first wave,which itself is not black metal even a bit.
>>123550240>Black metal has zero punk in itkek
extreme metal wouldn't exist without punk
>>123550253Correct, which is why punk is beloved here.
>>123550261Correct.
>listen to album>mid as fuck>stop halfway throughwhen do you know it's time to stop listening?
>>123550248Correct. Zero.>>123550253>>123550261>>123550299Incorrect.
Norwegian black metalStylistic origins: Thrash metal, hardcore punk, punk rock, black metalCultural origins: Early 1990s, Norway
do people still download albums or just use spotify?
>>123550438only tourists use spootify
>>123550438>digital virginlol
>>123550438>digital chadYes.
>>123550363>wikifaglmfao;
>>123550540No arguments detected.
>>123550354Correct.
>>123550543Yeah you have not made an argument, try to make one sister, then we will discuss.
>>123550438There are still some cases where I can't find an album I want to download online anywhere but Spotify has it.Pic related. If anyone has it please share. (not meal tho)
>>123550607You will do anything to avoid paying the artist, even rewarding Spotify instead. You're a leech.
>>123550673I pay to download most music. If you can show me where to buy that demo I will. You can't even get a physical copy.
I don't pay for anything, lol!
>>123550844this was me back when you could google any album name + "blogspot" and find what you were looking for
black metal is folk
>>123550844BASED
>>123549852>Gorgoroth sticker for like 8 eurodollarydoosnot the most expensive, but the most "why is this piece of paper so expensive"
Name something that isn’t on soulseek and I’ll make it my personal mission to find it
>>123550438physical media for me
>>123545770honestly their best album, don't why it's so overlooked
holy shit
>>123551243>Holy shitDon’t panic, friend
People in this general keep saying they like Morbid Angel and not a single one is singing along GHOULSThe absolute state of /metal/
>>123551325lmao
>>123551325i don't get it
>>123551155Labrador – A Fist Full Of Valium
listening to classic and revered bands makes you bald apparently
>>123551243>>123551325I saw the reply first and my brain read the title as "Hairdressing Ruin:
https://voca.ro/158QIDH4exL3metalcore actually sounds alright when blackened, why does black metal make everything better
Ildjarn and Jute Gyte aren’t giving me the cred they once did. Give me your most unlistenable tourist filtering metal.
>>123550607>>123550833That 7" was represed in 2005; and expanded to 9 tracks, plus a live radio set, on LP in 2016. Both are available on Discogs.Also, Killing Time were better.
>>123551155https://www.discogs.com/master/1262242-Omega-OmegaThere are 2 tracks on YouTube but I could never find anything else from this album, only some live tracks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X83JjtO3kiMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL9n3KPzRnc
>DiscogsWhy yes I enjoy paying 3-4x what something is worth as well
>>123551367it's a forced meme by perm-wearing wiggers, pay no attention
>>123551504Unfortunately I don't have the ability to rip vinyl to my PC myself so even if I but it I will still have to stream it. I am going to grab a copy though, ty for the reminder.also raw deal > killing time
>>123551639I see there's a site called 7.digital.com that sells FLAC of the demo.
>>123551704I had no idea that site existed. Holy shit thank you this has been on my "need to find" list for a couple of years.
Stupid general stop being dead
>>123549081That's just black "metal" with different production style, and arguable different singer.
>>123551731I've never used them, so let me know how it works out for you.
>>123550240And zero thrash as well, right. And no guitars either.
This was a local blackened hardcore band I saw in a basement. https://youtube.com/watch?v=yZ_vYLCzWDY&pp=ygUdVHJhaXRvcnMgbm8gdGFzdGUgbW9yZSBiaXR0ZXI%3D
>>123552068Everyone stops posting for 4 hours when the bump limit is reached rather than making a new thread.
>>123552400>>123552400>>123552400New
>>123542010>>123542085>>123542444>>123547905Best blastings of the thread
>>123549980based>>123550607I am currently sharing this on soulseek>>123551568Speechless At Gunpoint 2005 demo
