The only two rock guitarists that got away with fast playing and showing off. All the others like Vai, Satriani, Yngwie are always criticised for "masturbatory" solos and overindulgence. But these two were actually talented and musical enough to get away with anything. Will there ever be somebody like them again?
>>123643974Vai is crazy musical. Get ears
>>123643974Van Halen was just great pop music sprinkled with a little virtuosity on top. Outside of Eruption, there was very little wankery.
>>123644153>Vai is crazy musicalnot OP but i agree he is. I love his playing, his passion and quirkiness and sense of humor and he is simply fucking amazing. I really like his music. But I am a guitar nerd and no one I know who isnt a guiter nerd can stand his music. As oppsed to EVH whose songs connected with a broader appeal.
not as famous but there are fusion guys like al di meola who are very technical but also very emotive and interesting too
Neal Schlong gets away with it too
>>123643974They had the right blend of showmanship, virtuosity, and catchy, accessible songs that people can absorb early. Vai and the other guitar players work feel more like compositions rather then fun rock songs and thats not what all audiences are looking for.
>>123643974You forgot Santana
>>123643974It's about songs. If you have them you can get away with anything.
>>123644876Is it hard to write a good song?
>>123644931Anyone can write one. Few can write two. A genius can write three.
>>123643974yes to Schon anon. Also: Hammett, Lifeson, Page, etc. OP is wrong. Why is /mu/ filled with wrongness? Theory: trolls and bots.
>>123644507Fuck yeah dude
>>123643974they didn't call him the Humbler for nothing
>>123644222Trips of truth. Di Meola is based as fuck. His performances with McLaughlin and De Lucia are some of the best ever. https://youtu.be/cFlDf7Ck-N4
>playing fastuh huh, sure. next you’re going to tell me that Eric Gales is melodic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWe1bm86jC8&pp=ygUXc3J2IHNjdXR0bGUgYnV0dGluIHBpcGU%3D
Hendrix was basically grooving at insanely fast speed, he had the articulation and syncopation of a bass player played at 2x speed
>>123648984He was inspired by Funk and Soul Music and had been a backing musician for The Temptations at one point. That's probably why. Musical background.
>>123648984Correct. That's why I think his best album is Band of Gypsys, where he delivers some of the grooviest guitar riffs ever played.https://youtu.be/PMglEXFCClg?si=0mt45wh-r9hX3_zm
>>123649556It's because he started mostly in the blues and Soul genres. Prettymjch did RnB prior to his psych rock stuff.
>>123643974Blackmore
>>123648984hendrix was shit
>>123650022checked
>>123643974https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhzDBGiOTvg
>>123644153Tell that to music critics world, not me. Whatever you say, Vai will never be held in the same regard as Jimi or EVH. He'll always be considered this wank guy from G3 or whatever it's called.
>>123644155sure, as it should be. Here for example he does this usual "rock guitar god" showing off multiple of times, but it sounds tasteful actually? because it's interconnected with some beautiful, slow playing. not many guitarists seem to get it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9r-NxuYszg
>>123644185are you excited for Vai playing King Crimson? I think his reputation seems to be better nowadays, being involved in such "cool" projects. People are realising he's just one of the greats, not "great technician, but..." like it used to.
>>123644876I agree with you, but I love that's also what shredding wizards like Guthrie Govan say despite simply not being such a good songwriters. It's like they lack self-awareness or just say these "politically correct" answers during interviews yet you see they're mostly interested in doing some crazy virtuoso stuff.
>>123648984Yep and that just sounds cool as fuck. For example, if this guy was famous, he would also be never accused of wank. You just can hear the difference between that and shredders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWp1me9VyDI
>>123644931Very hard.It's basically about creating a new musical pattern that expresses a feeling or a bunch of feelingsLike arranging sounds and rhythms to make the feelings fly through them and do this in a way that becomes so recognisable and unique
>>123643974Blackmore > EVH
>>123643974>>123644155Yeah because Eddie could never really turn his tricks into songs. Even eruption isn’t really composed, it just goes from one pattern to the other
>>123652264>Yeah because Eddie could never really turn his tricks into songsWhat? His "trick" was writing great songs.
>>123650848EVH>>>>Blackmore
>>123650654I am. I dont know KC as much as I do Vai's own music but it still looks like an amazing show. I will def check it out if possiblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsAl0Cgzi9c
>>123653782Lol no. He throws in his licks very awkwardly between verses n shit.Eruption is just a list of riffs and tricks.
>>123653964>He throws in his licks very awkwardly between verses n shit.Lol. One of the most retarded comments I've read on here in a while- and thats saying something. >Eruption is just a listmore derp. Eruption was just a warm-up routine that he did and the producer made them put it on the album. It wasnt ever meant to be a "song" I dont respect your opinion. You seem ignorant.
“EVH couldn’t write for shit he could just stick things together and hope it works, his most famous work Eruption is just a list not a song”NOOOOOOO >>123654454>Eruption was just a warm-up routinelol
>>123655191>has no argument only reeeeinglol. thanks for the confirmation and the concession
>>123655267You hopeless cretin, you don’t see an argument because there is no need to argue… saying Eruption isn’t a song is rephrasing what I was saying, you have my opinion already, I “won” before this even began.But really I lost, because EVH sucks.
>>123650253John McLaughlin is still a jazz guitarist
>>123655327>saying Eruption isn’t a song is rephrasing what I was saying>it wasnt suppose to be a song>ignores the 130 other songs EVH wroteyou really are a fucking retard.>my opinionlol. but You are a retard so your opinion is retarded lol>But really I lostIndeed. Thanks for the concession.
>>123655544What other songs? Oh right, jump.Otherwise he played that solo on that Michael Jackson song what an absolute legend huh
>>123655709>What other songs?
>>123655891It’s okI’ll let you keep pretending you don’t understand
>>123653782
>>123643974>jimmy hendrix>fast playing???????????????????????????????????????????????? The dude is king of sloppy
>>123658639>Sammy Hagar>says he was Probed by aliens>Sammy Hagarlol>his fills were awkwardoy vey
>>123644153hes no gimmick player fer sher. pic related.
>>123653964>He throws in his licks very awkwardly between verses n shit.this is what Santana does and i bet you suck his dick
>>123643974In the mainstream yes.
>>123659278its goofy and unnecessary. but its one song out of a vast catalog. But it sure is a funky git-fiddle
>>123643974>All the others like Vai, Satriani, Yngwie are always criticised for "masturbatory" solos and overindulgence.Some of that is warranted, some isn't. I think fast playing is great if it's melodic and suits the song.
>>123653964>He throws in his licks very awkwardly between verseswow. I always thoughs his fills were killer. especially the early stuff. just ripping, mind blowing licks in the blink of an eye that flowed perfectly with the song.>>123643974Thing about evh was his solos were always in support of the song. They were almost always short, concise leads that moved the song forward. The solo was never the point. He was brilliant at that. and no he didnt write entire songs as one piece but he wrote monster riffs and melodies and worked with his bandmates to craft a song. He was a tasteful mf for example (time stamped)https://youtu.be/irmzPTXahq8?si=L4VN6eHHdffmRytQ&t=120
>>123643974Jimmingston Page was beast. See 3:30https://youtu.be/vcIem-L398w?t=193
>>123644469just shut the fuck up.
>>123643974Adrian Belew gets no mention. Again.
