Xenakis editionThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrev thread: >>123628276
Guerrerohttps://youtu.be/Vol7EvdsdJU?si=0OoREtRlhUiKBWOupretty cool
>>123648667It's not a bad 5th at all but it's equally as horrendously recorded which he still claims as perfect and that makes me laugh
>>123648653there’s really no reason to arrange mahler 10 for chamber orchestra, that’s some bruckner society tier bullshit>>123648656i don’t doubt he would have already tweaked it if his preferences were any different today. nothing is stopping him from going back to edit them. >>123648667he’s talking about that recording of the 10th, which is infamous for having borderline nonsensical orchestration choices. >>123648687this too, the sound in both recordings is shit.
Abbado's Mahler cycle
>>123648748bad
It is nice to see, though, that no matter your tastebuds, pretty much everyone agrees Kubelik is the go to in Mahler 1.There aren't many recordings like that which are so universally acclaimed.
>>123648680Cool but terrifying.
>classical>Is contemporary
>>123648653just finished the first movement of this: it's incredible. Say what you want about Celibidache but he has the ability to breathe new life into warhorses, to bring out minute details into prominence, and let us hear as if hearing for the first time again.
>>123648777this is just embarrassing dude
>>123648781kekGive it a listen!
>>123648788pass, i’m not interested in gypsy bastardizations of music.
>>123648755I'd say Karajan's second 9th and maybe Klemperer's 2nd come close -- Solti's 8th perhaps? But yeah you're right.
>>123648920solti’s 8th isn’t that popular anymore
>>123648755I don't listen to Mahler 1's without Blumine
>>123649073one of the most laughably sad hills to die on in all of mahlerdom
>>123649090don't waste my time with your replies
>>123649073Based. I've been thinking about doing this recently, only because I often feel the 1st goes by so quick. On the flip, I also can't sit and actually listen to the final movement all the way through anymore. Yes I know those are conflicting feelings, but it's how I feel!
>>123648936As in it's no longer near unanimously loved and no other 8th is, or it's been supplanted by another recording? If so which one? Abbado, Boulez? Nagano!?
>>123649097still not as much of a waste of time as blumine>>123649102i don’t know if you know this, but blumine was cut by mahler himself because it’s not up to par with the other movements (which is kind of saying something given the other movements are not supremely high quality either)>>123649120there is no consensus mahler 8, much like how there is no consensus mahler 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, or 10.
>>123649140I do know, and I do agree it sucks, I've just been thinking about listening to recordings with it merely as a way to mix things up but even I recognize it's not good enough to actually go through with that lol.And ah fair enough. Might finally listen to the Chailly / Gewandhaus 8th before going to bed, that or the Gilbert / NYPO 9th which I've heard before and is excellent.
>>123649161you overvalue “mixing things up”. there is no need to go out of your way to tolerate bad performances just because they’re novel.
>>123649174Now that you mention it, that might be my all-time most commonly used phrase in this general lmao. And yeah I know it's silly, it's just a good way to keep a work fresh I guess. Can't get tired of a work if you're listening to a different recording every time!
>>123649203i’ve never gotten tired of any work by listening to a good recording (or even the same recording) of it every time, but that’s just me.
now playingstart of String Sextet No. 1 in B-Flat Major, Op. 18:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9PUnNMMXSQ&list=OLAK5uy_mAkOmXGaBjuOaGjA4fi11Pb1I2IPGXMBQ&index=2start of String Sextet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 36:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Scmj_rZ8vmo&list=OLAK5uy_mAkOmXGaBjuOaGjA4fi11Pb1I2IPGXMBQ&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mAkOmXGaBjuOaGjA4fi11Pb1I2IPGXMBQ
>>123649230Fair, maybe I got tired of those works for other reasons. Another big part of it is the worry that, silly as it may sound, there is a better recording for me out there for a given work and by listening to the ones I already like/love, I'm limiting or even foreclosing the ability to discover those ideal ones. I never listen to a recording I already know to be poor or mediocre just for the sake of mixing it up (unless it's something I think I may genuinely like more this time for whatever reason), of course.
>>123649174It's fun to listen to bad performances, though.
>>123649470>I never listen to a recording I already know to be poor or mediocreand yet you’re seeking out mahler 1s with blumine and listening to celibatedouche. seems contradictory to me>>123649578maybe if this is your first year in classical music; after a while it gets really boring.
Thoughts on Bach recordings in different temperaments? These ones are in a temperament that Bach once recommended.https://youtu.be/8N00V0rHL_0https://youtu.be/qNG4kW6wzLg
>>123650099tism
>>123650107ok schlomo
>>123649140>blumine was cut by mahler himself because it’s not up to par with the other movementsverifiably false
>>123650099I like it. I don't like these performances though, I think Egarr has a really staid way with Bach. It lacks the sort of rhythmic pulse I'd like to hear from Bach.
>>123650130I actually like his style. Reminds me of the piano rolls you'd hear from the romantic era
>>123650130Whats a performance in a unequal temperament you like?
>>123650152I don't know. There are barely any recordings out there like that from what I've seen
It's possible..........https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTFYQGjBj/
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj-MXceIVlQ
>>123650240Why does Levin play along the tuttis?
https://vocaroo.com/1ml74NBHwdJQ
>>123648657Awesome picture, Takemitsu can't believe what he's seeing.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTV3AginH9Q
>>123648657I love Xenakis lads
>>123652289Me too
>>123652404This one's for you, thenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1LOmq6c3Tc
>>123652431absolutely disgusting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP6_ZB9sSO0help me out. Is this piece bad or am I just not understanding it?
>>123652462skill issue
>>123652462https://youtu.be/BQYYdq7N3rc?si=8gilAH4V9Woob6kP
>>123652512you don't get it, anon. That flute solo at 17:08 slaps fr fr.
Not a western classical instrument but anyone know how hard the hichiriki would be to learn?Never played any reed instruments
>>123652679fuck off.
Since sound wave is a naturally occurring phenomena in the universe then chances are that the alien life if there exist any, could possess an analogous organ to the human ear, imagine what would happen if we manage to make contact with the aliens in due time, just what will we show them? A bunch of naked feminists on the streets shouting "feel the nipple" or a furry rally passing through the streets of moscow or a bunch of angry bigotted chuds fighting meaningless battles online? How will we introduce them to our culture?We will show the aliens true "Human Excellence". Our mastery of art and music. We will show them "Wagner".This is it. The end. The peak. The Finale.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COhLnFwGaT0
>>123652778https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8AuYmID4wc
>>123652778Simple really, we will show them Tchaikovsky 6th's finale.
>>123652778Wittgenstein was right about Wagner in a sense. He said that Wagner's music was excessively grand and betrayed the listener through seduction. Wagner exaggerated life and beauty, which is not in alignment with the natural and the philosophical truth. Wagner manipulated truth.Thus we should show the Aliens/Higher Life "Bach", if we want to introduce the Aliens to the philosophical truth we established instead of showing them a exaggerated fictional movie that manipulates truth. >>123652848No.
How to know if someone has shit taste:1) He likes Tchaikovsky2) He likes Tchaikovsky3) He likes Tchaikovsky
>>123652910Handel is superior to Bach according to Mozart and Beethoven.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qa5vO3veSQ
>>123652940Greatest romantic composer cope
>>123652953Bach's art is higher than Handel's. As a composer for the theatre Handel always had the power of beginning with a characteristic and often excellent theme. But, thereafter, with the exception of the repetitions of the theme, there follows a decline, bringing only what the editor of Grove's Dictionary would call "trash"-empty, meaningless, etude-like broken chord figures. In contrast, even Bach's transitional and subordinate sections are always full of character, inventiveness, imagination and expression. Though his subordinate voices never degenerate into inferiority, he is able to write fluent and well balanced melodies of more beauty, richness and expressiveness than can be found in the music of all those Keysers, Telemanns, and Philipp Emanuel Bachs who called him outmoded. They, of course, were not capable of seeing that he was also the first to introduce just that technique so necessary for the progress of their New Music: the technique of "developing variation," which made possible the style of the great Viennese Classicists.
What are some headphones specifically made for listening to orchestral music?
>>123652978ok, Schoenberg.
>>123652953Never really listened to anything by Handel >>123652985Tech has advanced to a point that a 10$ headphone will sound the same as 1000$ headphone. But if you want something basic then I recommend beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro.
>>123652985>specifically made forI don't think there are any that are specifically made for classical, so long as your headphones have a decent neutralish frequency response you should be fine. I know some people say the HD800s are meant to be used with jazz and classical, but I owned them for awhile and didn't really feel it was worth the price. I just use IEMs these days, because I got tired of hair dents and needing to replace pads to maintain the factory FR.
>>123653053>Tech has advanced to a point that a 10$ headphone will sound the same as 1000$ headphone.Bullshit, you're a clueless idiot
>>123652985>>123653053Thank you advertisers>>123653089Thank you slop consumer sister
>>123653132
>chilling with friends>put morton feldman's second string quartet>confront myself and my self (as an ontological historical entity) with the mirror of atonality (as a mirror is not an empathic but a reflexive entity, alien to the space and time it reflects and only existing by itself in relation to the other) and realize the boundaries of human thought, comprehension and consciousness>reach rational ecstasy>pleb friend gets up and says "what is this silence shit, lmao, put some nirvana">get angry at their rockist subaltern consumption conditioned by the structures of power of the imperialist white economies, but contain it>calm myself down by remembering quotes from finnegans wake, my favorite book since i was a teenager>mfw can't express myself because i'm a spectator in the society of spectacle
>>123652985Not sure.
Mozart - Symphony No. 21 lads
>>123653188Love it.
>>123649600I was half-joking with Blumine, I know it sucks so I haven't actually listened to recordings with it; the original poster about it was someone else. And Celibidache is a good example of what I was talking about, his Bruckner has been nothing short of revelatory.
>>123653623haven't actually listened to recordings with it recently*Obviously I've heard it a handful of times.
>>123650114tism>>123650125verifiably true by listening to it. also, blumine was part of symphony no. 1’s conception as a tone poem, which mahler changed his mind about (rightfully so) and thus had to be deleted in order for it to turn into the classically proportioned symphony it is today. >>123650473>>123653175put your tripcode back on now, pedophile kraut>>123652679not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead>>123652985>>123653053>>123653086>>123653089>>123653132not /classical/, try >>>/g/ instead>>123653623it’s really not though, it fucking sucks and is emblematic of the extreme bastardization of bruckner’s music that we see in performance practice of his work today.
mass replying is always a sign of mental illness
>>123653704christ we're really on the same sleep schedule huh>it’s really not though, it fucking sucks and is emblematic of the extreme bastardization of bruckner’s music that we see in performance practice of his work today.well to each his own. dw all the other recordings I love of his symphonies will still see plenty of play, Celibidache's hasn't supplanted them, it's just a very nice, transcendent alternative when I'm in the mood for it.
>>123653719that’s my point, i’m very certain you’re making the mistake of confusing slow for transcendent. there is nothing transcendent about squeezing out all the momentum and drama out of bruckner to prove a point about hippie zen spiritualism or whatever the fuck.
Celibidache is more of a sonic experience than a spiritual one, he had a very refined grasp of texture and sound, especially in regards to he strings and winds, with some of the best climaxes on record. Just, at least in his later years, at the cost of rhythmic inertia. He was more or less not very slow before he moved to Munich, and you can listen to his older radio recordings if you want that same autistic control without the pacing issues, albeit with orchestras which weren't as virtuosic.
>>123653777i don't find his orchestral sonorities that compelling and i also don't find his handling of bruckner's pacing very good when it comes at the cost of momentum (which is, quite frankly, half the equation). i've grown tired of slow bruckner conducting, and i suspect the classical music world has too, they just don't realize it yet.
I've encountered Machavariani violin concerto today and it is beautiful. I'm an audiofool and need CD quality. Is my best bet ebay? At this point I don't know a CD even exists.
>>123653971USSR recording, Isakadze. It only seems LP exists. Hope this will get a digital release before I die lol.
>>123653790Well, yes, meter is exceptionally important in Bruckner, but I wouldn't say that Celibidache was *always* unduly negligent in this regard. His 6th on Sony, for instance, is mostly acceptable outside of the egregious adagio, and, to my tastes, just about ideal in terms of overall orchrestral balance. The rabble rousing finale especially gets very loud, yet never elephantine, and has exceptional technical finesse. It's no reference and it's not my favorite but I find that it's a good example of his idiosyncratic approach working in balance with genuinely good musicianship in a way where the union is a relatively happy marriage.>i've grown tired of slow bruckner conducting and i suspect the classical music world has tooDepends on what you mean. If you mean a return to pre-WW2 tempi then good luck. If you mean a return to the 60s-80s approach to Bruckner, I wouldn't say much has changed insofar as tempi are concerned. That being said, I rarely listen to modern recordings of Bruckner since, tempo aside, they are often so far off from my sonic preferences as to not be worthwhile.
>>123654030>If you mean a return to pre-WW2 tempi then good lucki mean precisely this, and i plan to take matters into my own hands.
>>123654030Are you the guy who suggested I try out Andreae's Bruckner?>>123654038Just be sure to give us free tickets to your performances!
>>123654038Extremely based. >>123654143No. But Andreae's Bruckner set is quite good, despite the limited mono sound and some weird versions. I especially like the performances of the 4th and Te Deum. It's a good perspective at what a traditional Bruckner performance may have been from a 19th century conductor/composer.
>>123653731>that’s my point, i’m very certain you’re making the mistake of confusing slow for transcendentI solely listen with my ears and heart, and what can I say, it works. It's not transcendent solely because it's slow, it's transcendent and cosmic because it is and the tempo is part of it. I will say his Dvorak 9 was not to my tastes. It has made me reconsider my liking of slow tempos though, gonna go through Tennstedt's Mahler again I think because of that (listening to the 5th right now).>>123654184Noted, thanks.
Mahler took his vegetarianism very seriously, as was witnessed by the citizens of the city of Olmütz where he took up a conducting appointment in 1883. “At the inn where the singers met in the evening,” so a local report, “Mahler invited ridicule by drinking water instead of wine or beer. Refusing meat, he asked for spinach and apples, and loudly declared his allegiance to Richard Wagner’s vegetarian principles, throwing in a plea for woolen underwear for good measure.”
>>123654337>Woolen underwear This guy liked his balls hot huh.
>>123654337This reminds me reading about Nietzsche eating pounds and pounds of fruit per day, no doubt playing a large role in his many health problems.
>>123654374he liked his balls working, which is why he preferred natural fibers to microplastics polyester spandex polyamide shit
tentative violin concerto rankings:brahms > tchaikovsky > elgar > dvorak > beethoven > mendelssohn > prokofiev > bruch > shostakovich > sibelius > schumann > saint saens 3 (still good)
It is quite interesting to look at the 9th especially which I think has suffered the most from post-WW2 bloating.>von Hausegger (as close as you can get to a premiere performance, dude literally resurrected Bruckner's 9th, see his wiki page)23:399:0222:36>Klemperer, New York 193422:249:5223:08>Kabasta21:538:4922:40>Walter, pre heart attack21:299:5319:27>Furtwängler23:229:2425:04>Andreae20:589:5819:57>Knappertsbusch22:3111:1322:01>Horenstein21:299:5120:40Some prominent post WW2 conductors:>Mehta25:5510:4027:17>Jochum23:069:5827:39>Giulini28:0610:4529:29>Bernstein26:5712:1426:55>Wand26:5610:4426:54>Haitink25:1110:5126:28>Karajan25:0110:4525:50>Abbado26:4711:0225:16Not to say that all performances in the former are good and all performances in the latter are bad, but there was certainly a tradition that was lost there. Much like the Celi 6th, I'm very fond of the Giulini 9th despite its glacial tempi. Because sonically, it's just about perfect for Bruckner's 9th. The sound of the orchestra in that recording just nails it for me. It's just too bad it's so slow. It's probably compensation, I think. Many of these conductors are trying to make a meal out of the piece because, due to the lack of a finale, they give the Adagio an extra umph, which, by necessity, likely causes the other movements to slow down so as to maintain a balance. Or maybe not. Bruckner conducting has pretty much universally slowed down outside of the 9th so who knows.
>>123654614Mendelssohn's is better than everyone else's
>>123654614>Elgar that highnah
>>123654703i think there's a pretty legitimate argument to be made that the first movement of bruckner's 9th should be played as an allegro moderato like the first movements of the 7th or the 8th, although frankly none of them are taken at anything approaching allegro these days.
>>123654782It's the Hammerklavier of Violin Concertos, with its monumental and dazzling architecture and grand scope and beauty.>>123654778Very good indeed, one of the most emotionally poignant works no doubt.
>>123654703Damn, now that's a stark contrast.
Tchaikovsky??
>>123655076Meant to reply to >>123654614
>>123655092second only to Brahms', yes
>>123648680about a third of the way through I expected someone to say silence in the studio
>>123654614Prokofiev and Shostakovich both have two vln ctos. So which ones?
>>123655153ranking them as a duo
now playingstart of Prokofiev's Violin Concerto No. 1 in D Major, Op. 19:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSbacdAw4Mw&list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5k&index=2start of Prokofiev's Violin Concerto No. 2 in G Minor, Op. 63:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FucgBvdWWg4&list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5k&index=5start of Stravinsky's Violin Concerto in D Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ajysLczGB0&list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5k&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nvgaWKu00FstFsBzgIkENm8pxX2ZGqS5keditorial excerpt:>Cho-Liang Lin's performances of these two attractive violin concertos have been almost unanimously praised since they first came out (nothing in the classical music business is completely unanimous!), and the Stravinsky coupling makes this disc an excellent value for the money. The two composers couldn't be further apart stylistically. Prokofiev continues to mine the great Russian Romantic tradition, aided by his wonderfully personal melodic gift. All of Stravinsky's best tunes, by contrast, were borrowed from someone else. His dry, witty, neo-classicism sounds like a cold shower after his compatriot's warmth, but it's first rate entertainment all the same. The digital sound is great , too. --David Hurwitz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr0QgbsqwT0Such a bizarre performance.
>>123655274The Stravinsky concerto rocks
>>123655308Yeah I love it!
>>123655299I've always found the scherzo bizarre to begin with, but no, that recording isn't helping
>>123655113It's not very good.
>>123655391you're trippin', but agree to disagree. what would your top 5 or so be then?
>>123655428Brahms, Mendelssohn, Elgar, K.364, Beethoven.
>>123655459>K.364It's a double concerto of course, but it does blow all the others out of the water. It's an astonishing masterpiece.
>>123655483>It's an astonishing masterpiece.No, it is not.Mozart is what I describe as "safe", he's never bad, but he is never great either. He is just good, that's it. That was the whole point of Classical era, it was not about grand dramaticism, heartwrenching climaxes and buildups or intensity, if you don't understand why or how, you don't get Classical era, you don't appreciate it and you don't like it enough. Simple as.If you seek a masterpiece, look for it in the romantic era.
>>123655558Gr8 b8 m8
>>123655570>t.retarded poser who doesn't like classical era
I... I have to make a confession. I kneel. I kneel to the Jews. They won. They make the best music. Accept my concession.
>>123655687All the best, top 10 composers are either fully German, Austrian or Russian. You lost before it even started.
>>123655703There is no chance against the Maccabean empire. You ass will yield too, its only a matter of time.
Kneel already /classical/. Wagner is gone. You have no front. Accept defeat. >W-No."S". Schoenberg.
>>123655837S for Spit on Schoenberg and Serialism.S.
Have you taken the Rhenish pill yet, anon?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u1u_xAYg4o&list=PLt_iN-ytBvZyuAi2QosS2kipSXm34YlR_&index=9
>>123655903It's a personal favourite of mine but not too many people seem to share my enthusiasm for it.
>>123655912Favorite recording of it? I'm pretty new with it
>>123655931That Sawallisch one, but I also love Paray's.
>>123655903>>123655912I also really like it, I was posting about the Mahler re-orchestration versions the other day.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmTg7hG3XNc&list=OLAK5uy_kiAO-IniVgTBRaIhdtlEse4Z3z6Vnd3p8&index=1
Does Schumann have any lieder for female voices?
>>123648657>avant-garde classicalI think I'm going to be sick.
>>123655863lol
didn't know this was a thing, Schumann's Cello Concerto arranged for violin by Schumann, orchestrated by Shostakovich.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDbTtmZxbHw&list=OLAK5uy_mNcsYwP__tGgbjHdZ4ulcAQpap5efqKn8&index=4
>>123657084I'd be so happy if i had a harpist gf or a violist gf.
>>123657097you really wouldn't be, violists are fucking retarded.
>>123657141That's redundant. All women are retarded.
>>123657181and violists are the dumbest of the bunch. what does that tell you?
>>123652985sexo...
>>123657141>>123657214Really? Never met one, i just love the instrument.
>Decide to compose chords progressions using 4 voice line and set each one to full note, half note, fourth note and eight notes size.>End up learning a lot>Ask chat gpt with certain effects happens, like half notes not working for being repeated the same note or why full notes follow the root of the chord of why eight notes are better suited to be repetated the most in the upper line>yeah dude, your approach is interesting and you're 100% correct>mfw I'm basically learning the secrets of 17 century musical autismo.
>>123657214To be feminine is to be retarded, therefore they are the most feminine
Guess I'll listen to this tonight
>>123648755Don't care, still prefer Bernstein.
>>123657428Both are excellent.
>>123654703Are all of those top recordings (as well as their other Bruckner) good? Might check some of them out.
>>123657317yeah, they’re the dumbest out of all the string players. they’re violists precisely because they were too stupid to be violinists. >>123657346you wouldn’t be saying this if you knew any violists in real life. >>123657428your loss, faggot lover.
>>123657494Of those that are listed, I would recommend von Hausegger, Kabasta, Walter (very poor sound), Furtwängler, Horenstein, Jochum, Giulini, and perhaps Karajan, though I prefer his earlier 60s recording to the later remake. My personal favorite 9th is still Kubelik's and wasn't listed; it's certainly more in the tradition of the latter half of the 20th century rather than the former, but I find that it combines many of the common elements that I look for in Bruckner's 9th on top of my fetish for the split 1st and 2nd violins. The von Hausegger is easily the most historically interesting recording, even if I don't think it can sonically satisfy the full demands of Bruckner's symphony, it's still a good perspective at idiomatic Bruckner conducting. Or, at the very least, something close to resembling a tradition, even if Bruckner himself probably wouldn't give two shits about how people conducted his works. von Hausegger was also one of the first musicians to really champion Bruckner's original editions, and saved us from the dreaded Loewe edition of the 9th which, not only reorchestrated the symphony in awful ways, but also removed some of Bruckner's more harsh dissonances. A good side-by-side comparison:https://brucknerredbook.com/symphony-no-9/topic-7/
>>123657749I'm familiar with all of the bottom ones, and I also love that Kubelik 9th. I added a random handful from those older ones, thanks.
>>123657531How about a cellist gf, would that be good?
I assume the best instrumentalist gfs are going to the be the pianist gfs and the contralto gfsPianists gfs for optimal handjobs and contralto gfs because they're insecure about their manly voices and will do lewd things to make up for it
>>123657948>At a rehearsal, when he was dissatisfied with the playing of a female cellist, the famous English conductor Sir Thomas Beecham, reportedly said this:>“Madam, you have between your legs an instrument capable of giving pleasure to thousands, and all you can do is scratch it.”
What do I listen while reading Kerouac?
>>123657980Sounds like a rapist who should have been fired
>>123657531What about a viola player gf?
>>123657999This recording through:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWsJp4BxnMA&list=OLAK5uy_keaFsbK56L6z6nu9-OvtZ_o5tdYpddV1g&index=1
>>123657948nah, they’re pretty bitchy in my experience>>123657973porn addiction induced delusions>>123658015what do you think a violist is, you fucking retard?
>>123657999The sound of the outside world
>>123658029What about a violin player gf?
>>123657749What do you think about Kubelik's other Bruckner recordings?
>>123658029>in my experienceKEK,
>>123658059is that a foreign concept to you, tranime sister?
>>123658085No but it is to you lol. Unless you said so true sister anonymously to a cello playing girl in which case yes I do believe you
>>123658106>no u!tranime brainrot moment
>>123658120Pathetic: considering your fist response was a basic NO u , unless you are so autistic you are incapable of grasping simple implications
>>123658166try that one again in english, tranime ESL
>>123658197>Too autistic to read English now Your condition is worsening
>>123658085Every poster on /classical/knows you've never touched a woman
>>123658218i don’t believe “fist response” means anything in english, no. i know it’s hard translating hindu to english, but do try to make more of an effort next time. >>123658230>buddy, you wouldn’t know if i had one eye or three legs. you don’t know me.
>>123658029Ok, so which instrumentalist gf i should go for? How about an oboist gf?
>>123658262how about praying to the lord Jesus on high that any woman will ever tolerate your needy ass.
>>123658242Meh it's a simple typo and I'm sure you knew that. It must have been a Freudian slip on my part.
>>123658291i know that you’re a brainrotted porn addict indian tranny. not sure about anything else.
>>123658051He has two live recording of the 6th which are both great.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoJfmsBsCuw this one is probably my favorite 6th on record. Stereo, but the sound is a bit strange.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsUvKBWx9ZY filmed version, also good. And an 8th with Chicago that I enjoy but isn't a favoritehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjaKrc7lWCMI don't care for the rest.
>>123658302Considering not capitalizing letter when they should be is a spelling error; you have no grounds to offer anyone advise on writing in English. Every single one of your posts is misspelled.
>>123658307Much appreciated!
>>123658339>Considering not capitalizing letter when they should beholy fucking ESL pajeet, way to prove me right
>>123658377Spell your own posts correctly first.
>>123658393said the rajesh who mixed up advice and advise. no wonder you’re obsessed with capitalization; it’s the only rule of the english language you have a grasp on.
Stop coughing through my Mozart, boomers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoYnub_pD38
>>123658411I can't take you seriously when your posts are misspelled like this.
>>123658445i can’t take you seriously when your posts are all written while you bob your head back and forth and pray to the 15 armed monkey headed god of curry.
>>123658530Anyway you didn't answer my question about what a violinist gf is like
>>123658562i’ll answer it when you break your porn addiction, tranime sister
>>123658277I already do that.
>>123658571OK. What about a Double Bass playing gf?
>>123658585that’s called a fucking guy.
>>123658034Too noisy>>123658024Heh, ok.
Brandenburg 5 is the greatest Baroque concerto and possibly the best concerto in the classical canon.Triple Concerto is a close second
>>123658812holy shit this dude actually likes the beethoven triple concerto, what the fuck
>>123658822I meant bwv 1044 retard
The best interpretation and you can't prove otherwise
>>123659037their stereo remake is better, and their tempos are too stiff regardless
>>123658822I mean it's not a masterpiece, but you don't even like it?
>>123659185it’s probably his worst major orchestral piece, it’s pretty fucking bad
On that note, recommended/favorite recording(s) of Brahms' Double Concerto?
>>123659219probably the szell one, but it’s not a piece that you’re spoiled for choice on either.
>>123659219https://youtu.be/V_HK6ZTf3dM
>>123659219Francescatti/Fournier conducted by Walter.
>>123659248Nice thanks.>>123659235Yeah most recordings I've heard of it have been pretty lackluster to outright bad. I've been meaning to check that one out anyway, thanks.>>123659267Ooo forgot that one existed, dope, thanks.
>>123659219Heifetz + Feuermann Heifetz + PiatigorskyMilstein + PiatigorskyCasals + ThibaudKaplan + GeringasPersonally feel despite the amount of talented soloists that have recorded this, everyone plays the piece way too slow. Shouldn't take more than 30 minutes.
Vaughan Williams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh2dmfzWEz0&list=OLAK5uy_nY8HBSqKlgQNyaqGCVIP4siGdwmbKsg18
In music, Tolstoy particularly disliked the later works of Beethoven – feeling that the musician, having gone deaf, was creating patterns devoid of feeling. He devotes a couple of pages to dissing Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony, including this indignant and regretful passage:“…not only do I not see how the feelings transmitted by this work could unite people not specially trained to submit themselves to its complex hypnotism, but I am unable to imagine to myself a crowd of normal people who could understand anything of this long, confused, and artificial production, except short snatches which are lost in a sea of what is incomprehensible. And therefore, whether I like it or not, I am compelled to conclude that this work belongs to the rank of bad art.”
Iannis Xenakis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ5771zMOeE&ab_channel=Unpetitabreuvoir
>>123659385He also greatly disliked the music of Wagner:“It is the same when listening to an opera of Wagner’s. Sit in the dark for four days in company with people who are not quite normal, and, through the auditory nerves, subject your brain to the strongest action of the sounds best adapted to excite it, and you will no doubt be reduced to an abnormal condition and be enchanted by absurdities.
>>123659320Thanks, added all of these.>>123659385I read he cried when listening to a performance of Tchaikovsky's String Quartet no. 1, which I totally get.
>>123659360Love that recording.
now playingstart of Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHR8grJBRnE&list=OLAK5uy_kW_OREdDluVFCFNxu11zZCNtqkFGp5WqM&index=8start of Ein deutsches Requiem Op. 45:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpPoeNTY9U4&list=OLAK5uy_kW_OREdDluVFCFNxu11zZCNtqkFGp5WqM&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kW_OREdDluVFCFNxu11zZCNtqkFGp5WqM
Usually, our imagination suggests that one descends, goes down to hell.Guerrero hereby offers a peculiar ascension: a stairway to hell. And there is no easy way down from Guerrero’s atonal inferno, where devil holds a stochastic trident to fustigate passers-by, carving in their ears a tattoo that will glow forever in their aural perception.
>>123659285that’s because the work itself isn’t very good. it’s easily brahms’ worst concerto, and possibly his worst major orchestral work too.
>>123659385retarded slave alert>>123659504a whole lot of words that say nothing
>>123659541Very plausible explanation...
>>123659495this is the recording of Brahms' Requiem that God listens to in Heaven.
>>123659551Excellent post as always
>>123659631God would probably fucking shoot himself if he heard celibatedouche’s brahms requiem, it’s so fucking bad
>>123659385The only problem is Beethoven's 9th has too many endings. He should have picked one and stuck with it
>>123659786i’m pretty sure it only has one ending, unlike the op 130 quartet which has two
>>123659814I've said my piece Chrissy
>>123659786Huh, this actually puts into words an intuitional feeling I've always had about the 9th. I don't know if it's a problem per se, but I definitely know what you mean.
>>123659846i don’t think anyone knows what he means, not even him
Schubert's 9th has too many endings too.
>>123659962is this what schizophrenia looks like?
My favorite Schubert symphony is Berio's Rendering.
>>123659756Admittedly it does get a bit tiring a few movements in.
>>123655299love that guy he has a recording of Mahler 1 as a tone poem before it became a symphony too
>>123660108it gets tired the second the orchestra starts playing
What are some must-listen recordings?
>>123659385>this indignant and regretful passagemore like based and epic passage
>>123659385Tolstoy was an idiot. Didn't he dislike Shakespeare too? If I remember right Orwell even mocked him for it.
>>123660243There are some, but no one has time for that. Just ask us for a specific piece or at least composer.
>>123660243of what
>>123660191lolI do gotta say though, the 1st Symphony on the same recording is sounding superb so far, and I don't normally care much for it.
>>123660296you’ll outgrow your celibatedouche phase eventually
>>123660243https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvWjI4PrJw
>>123660324Probably soon, but I think I'm gonna stick with slower tempo recordings for at least a lil while (with how much music I listen to a day, maybe a couple weeks to a month). If you don't mind, what's some good slow Mahler aside from Bernstein and Tennstedt? Sinopoli's is, ye, but I haven't heard much good about his...
>>123660340it still cracks me up
>>123660353i don’t think slow tempo mahler is good, so you’ll have to ask someone else.
>>123660380Ah. I knew that but figured maybe you had some exceptions, as in if they're slow and you like them regardless then they must be good, but fair enough.
>>123660391my idea of that is karajan’s mahler 9, bernstein’s mahler 6, and klemperer’s mahler 2. i don’t believe in celibatedouche approaches to conducting in any circumstance.
Stravinsky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJSxq3z0wSs&list=OLAK5uy_nHJWe2_XlVJjy7xLo-gPgK0QP8G7zs7nw
>>123660380speaking of fast Mahler, what's a good 5 with a fast(er) Adagietto?There's Gielen, Leinsdorf, Barshai, and Klumpp that I know of. They take at most 8:30.
>>123660243Kegel's Wozzeck
>>123660418you’re basically looking exclusively at>walter>schwarz>kondrashin>leinsdorf>gielen>barshai>chailly gewandhausthat’s it.
>>123660405All fantastic recordings indeed. Maybe I'll finally listen to Klemperer's 7th and download Tennstedt's full LPO cycle then.
>>123660481>Maybe I'll finally listen to Klemperer's 7thliterally one of the worst mahler recordings of all time, but i guess it’s worth hearing at least once
>>123660418Seconding >>123660461 but if 9:17 works for you, Jansons' with the Concertgebouw is very, very good, probably just short of S-tier.start:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7LVOgX3N68&list=OLAK5uy_lboAyMP0iGRSxc8XuhxZJnGjti50fHgmw&index=2Adagietto:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06kgTXHq-00&list=OLAK5uy_lboAyMP0iGRSxc8XuhxZJnGjti50fHgmw&index=4>>123660498lol exactly
>>123660534jansons is not a good mahler conductor dude
>>123660595I think every other Mahler recording I've heard from him is meh, sure, but I stand by that 5th, especially if you want one with topnotch production quality. Might even crack my top 10 of 5ths.
>>123660639i couldn’t even name 5 good recordings of the 5th if i tried, never mind a top 10.
>>123660458100% agreed. Such a stupendous recording.
>>123660243Mahler 1, Schnittke Concerto Grosso No. 1, Schnittke Declaration of Love, Schoenberg Gurrelieder. Personally my most celebrated Jewish composer was Schnittke.
>random happy, whimsical segment in an epic nocturnal moody piece
>>123660662Pretty much the only one I can think of is his Honegger 3, and primarily for reasons of balance. Dullard conductor.
>>123660662Kubelik, Chailly (Gewandhaus), Schwarz, Tennstedt, Bernstein (DG), Levine, Karajan, Solti, Zander, Jansons.I suppose yours is just the first three. I still need to re-listen to Chailly's RCO 5th.>>123660749Jansons has a good Rach, Dvorak, Shostakovich, and Tchaikovsky, off the top of my head. I know some here like his Beethoven. I don't know if he's my favorite for anything but often a good-to-great listen.
Does anyone happen to have a spotify playlist(s) built with at least the essential works listed in the sticky or a good general compilation of works? I'm lazy as fuck i know, but if anyone wants to post their lists I would appreciate it.
>>123660790>kubelikbad adagietto>tennstedtwhy even mention this? there’s nothing noteworthy about it>bernsteinhorrific>levinerepulsive sound from the orchestra and equally tasteless conducting>karajandreadfully unidiomatic in every way>soltiseriously?>zanderactually bad, wtf>jansonsas mentioned
Can my classical brothers tell me about my idea.My goal right now is to follow the fux principles of 4 counterpoint voices, but instead blend them with a more EDM approach where the counterpoint voices of Fux are mapped to EDM voice types like bass, pluck, pad, lead and drum kit, and following a more modern version of pop form but where there's an imitation of voices like a fugue.I need to start doing some works using that idea, but I would love to hear opinions on classical bros.
>>123660872not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>123660243the Végh Quartet's recording of the Bartók string quartets is the best there is!
>>123660834So you'd say there are only two or three good recordings of the 5th? I guess I respect the strong, particular opinion, even if I disagree.
>>123660800Or really, if someone has any kind of classical playlists on spotify they wanna share i'll take it at this point.
>>123660800Hopefully someone does. Otherwise, I'll happily link you to a good recording of whatever work you're interested in and are wondering about! And there's also a few youtube channels whose tastes and uploads I like that I used to just search through for a given work and listen to whatever they had.
>>123660985>>123660800I've seen this posted before and it's actually not bad as far as playlists go if you don't mind listening to whatever.https://youtu.be/_CrYz4Y-ahM?si=IN-zkQD2hq-O7GfZ
>>123660935they’re called the vague quartet because that’s what their intonation is>>123660967there’s walter, schwarz, barshai, chailly gewandhaus, and if we include decent recordings there’s also leinsdorf and kondrashin. that’s really all there is.
>>123660991>. Otherwise, I'll happily link you to a good recording of whatever work you're interested in andI'll take anything. I know /mu/ is hit or miss but the bros in a jazz thread long ago hit me with a mega banger playlist i'm still going through but classical is next.
>>123661016Damn I don't know how I forgot Barshai and Kondrashin on my list, I suppose they would replace Schwarz (only because of the audio quality) and maybe... Zander's or Jansons' for me. Still need to listen to Walter's and Leinsdorf's.
>>123661041i’m frankly stunned you mentioned zander, jansons, tennstedt, or solti at all. like literally what do these recordings have to offer?
>>123661065On third thought I would actually drop Tennstedt's before Zander's and Jansons', actually. And what's to say? I usually only have reasons if I don't like a recording -- the Zander and Jansons are exceptionally played with topnotch recording and bring the music and its emotional resonance and beauty out well. Solti's is just very exciting, a thriller of a 5th, but I'm a huge Solti fan in general. But really all I can say is they work for me.
Reiner only recorded Mahler twice, the Fourth and Das Lied von Der Erde. Apparently he didn't like Maher's music very much, and according to a devoted Mahlerian friend of mine, it shows in his recordings. Obviously he is wrong, because I am always right.
>>123661206>the Zander and Jansons are exceptionally played with topnotch recording and bring the music and its emotional resonance and beauty out well.they’re really not though. the zander is totally soulless and has no feeling for the music whatsoever, which is the case for basically ever zander recording. >but I'm a huge Solti fan in general.i wonder when you’ll figure out that solti is all flash and no substance. >>123661209his friend is right and the retarded RYMtranny is wrong
https://www.classicstoday.com/review/review-5900/Kek. Based Hurwitz
So I gave up and tried to start making a playlist based off of the talkclassical lists from the pastebin...only onto number 54 of the operas and my playlist has over 2000 songs. please kill me.
>>123661287He backs me up on the Jansons recording though!>>123661260You're not wrong about Solti, which is why his M9 doesn't work because that one requires heart and emotional and even intellectual depth to perform well, but he pulls off the rest because there's still a lot of offer with 'just' a thrilling Mahler. But again, I'm just a huge fan of his so maybe I just like his approach, and hey, you were right months ago that I'd eventually get over Abbado's Mahler lol.
It was hard to decide whether this should actually be the top pick or not. Mengelberg was a friend of Mahler and supported the famous conductor of the Vienna Court Opera as a composer in his own lifetime, inviting Mahler to Amsterdam to conduct his own works there, in addition to conducting them himself. Regarding the Fourth, Mengelberg actually took down Mahler's timings in performance with a stopwatch and notebook—Mengelberg was somewhat notorious for his obsession with precise timing. So here you have it, the only scientifically accurate Mahler 4 on record.
>>123661315I replied to you with one here!>>123661006Also don't start with the operas lol. Literally any other section. Symphonies, piano concerti, string concerti, string ensemble, string+piano duo, solo string, solo piano, orchestral, any of them over opera, and probably not choral either to start.
>>123661360>because that one requires heart and emotional and even intellectual depth to perform wellevery mahler symphony requires intellectual depth to perform well. >there's still a lot of offer with 'just' a thrilling Mahler.until you reach the trio sections of the 20 minute long scherzo of the 5th, or the entirety of the rondo finale. then being merely “thrilling” is not enough, and it is precisely there that solti fails. >>123661377comically false, mengelberg was a conductor with his own personality, not a sockpuppet for mahler. the piano roll of mahler playing das himmlische leben obviously disproves the idea that mengelberg’s recording is in any way faithful to mahler’s own interpretation.
>>123660872Sorry anon these threads are for endlessly masturbating over trivial differences between Mahler recordings, not discussion of Classical music
>>123661379Hey I appreciate it. I'll use it for sure but I need more. I wouldn't mind this playlist being 10000 songs if it was already pre-filtered to include the more moving pieces. I know for sure i'm not going to save every track from each work but i'll take the 58 songs regardless thank you.
>>123661424LMFAO this retard thinks some /mu/ immigrant talking about EDM drum pads is “classical music”
>>123661424>Mahler>not classical
This might be my favourite Mahler recording of all time. Gielen, along with Boulez, can lay claim to having one of the most consistently good complete Mahler cycles on record, but however good the rest of his recordings are, his Mahler 7 is a rare example of concentrated brilliance. Get swept away on those opening tremoli or get swept up like the dirt you are, you tasteless jerk!
>>123661379I will also take your advice then. I just was starting there because one of my all time favorite classical pieces is Turandot: Nessun droma performed by Pavarotti so I was trying to get more feels like that.
>>123661469lol why are you doing this
>>123661469irrefutable proof that estradiol totally rotted that RYMtranny’s brain
>>123661477It's hilarious
It's hard to overstate the brilliance of Adler in the Third. This remaster offers his outstanding '52 mono recording in the best possible sound. This is perhaps what Mahler would have sounded like if Celibidache had conducted him*.
>>123661512the comparison to celibatedouche really speaks for itself
>>123661377It's a top pick for me, regardless of its authenticity, because I find the end result appealing.
>>123661512>perhaps what Mahler would have sounded like if Celibidache had conducted him*.Oh shit I gotta give this a listen asap...
>>123661543>>123661551this is probably your most embarrassing phase to date
>>123661559I was only the second post. Speaking of which, last one from the Celi cycle since I almost always don't listen to the 1st and 2nd, and good lord that album cover, what a joke! Sounds great so far though, but I really like the 3rd in general.
>>123661429lol sounds like a very tedious and tiresome way to go through all that music, but hey maybe you just like opera more than I do.
>>123661667>and good lord that album cover, what a joke!only as much of a joke as the music
>>123661681i'll just do it later. found some playlists on the forum for orchestral and some chronological playlists that should keep me occupied.
>>123661727Nice, enjoy. If you ever want specific recording advice for a given piece we're always willing to help, just seems no one here really does 'playlists.'
>>123661714Interesting enough, much like the 6th, the tempo doesn't actually sound that radically slow.
>>123661739Actually I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on the pianist rubenstein. I have classically educated musicians in my family recommend his take on many works and I was curious what others thought of him.
>>123661769He's a good pianist.
>>123661769*The* Chopin pianist, and good for just about everything else. For non solo piano, off the top of my head I really like him for Brahms' Piano Quartet no. 1 and Tchaikovsky's Piano Trio.
>>123661814whoops, Brahms* Piano Quartet no. 3*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0g9JlHg5Kw
>>123661814Yeah I have his chopin stuff lined up to check out. He seems to play really soft so sometimes it seemed like some of the pieces were lacking impact at important moments.
>>123661769one of the great pianists of the 20th century
Since I mentioned Zander earlier, it reminded me I always meant to listen to this recording ever since someone here recommended it to me months ago when I was first falling in love with these works. Anyone else a fan? Or does Zander have any other good recordings from other conductors? I've never really looked into him or heard about any others.
>>123661926this recording fucking sucks and the following it has garnered bewilders me, much like zander’s following of convicted child rapists.
>>123661926>Or does Zander have any other good recordings from other conductors?other composers*My brain has been so off today, I must be sick or something.
>>123661937Standard Jewish behaviour
>>123661939must be a side effect of too much celibatedouche brainrot
>>123661960lol maybe, it did start like the day after
>>123661973the retarded music is making you retarded
>>123662023Well, Mahler will do that on its own.
>>123662034we were talking about bruckner. sounds like you might have a little retardation of your own.
>>123662042They both work
>>123662059yeah, you might wanna get your retardation checked out
Poulenchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrkINKs01yk&list=OLAK5uy_nM6uAO-nCGcMGknC1cd6rvDAGu1jNDJV4
>>123660461Just to be clear, is your issue with a slower Adagietto solely a matter of composer intention or you actually think it sounds worse and negatively affects the structure of the work with a slower tempo?
>>123662201both. slow adagiettos utterly destroy any semblance of melodic phrasing in the piece.
>>123662201It's the difference between a love song and a funeral dirge.
>>123660243Ashkenazy/Previn's Rach 2
NEW>>123663438>>123663438>>123663438
>>123658812Wish Bach wrote more concertos that were acrually written for kwyboard from the ground up instead of repurposing violin concertos
