Chopincel edition>Why Chopin’s Barcarolle is your favorite piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2XIo91Ss1MThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious thread: >>124010149
Bach and before, Ives and after.
2nd for Mäkelä
>>124031141Bach and AFTER, BEFORE AND NOT INCLUDING Ives
>>124031176Correct.
>>124031176based
Someone needs to remind this guy
>>124031141thank you RYMsister>>124031170is he the worst living major conductor today?
*flawless bach and mozart in your path*
>>124031124B is for Buxtehude and Basso Continuo BuxWV 267 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Si3Bj3G-jY&list=PL41A-L-YUkwp90t2kgSr7r21z0yy5Pknm&index=5&ab_channel=TonKoopman-Topic
>>124031703not quite schizo sister, thankfully you aren't me, though i'm sure you wish that were the case.
Btw the last thread I should have said TJWV 1-I realise that now
>>124031124Chopin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Pt-hW7tf0
>>124031716Schizos tend to make up stuff, you are pretty much confirmed schizo.
Mystery Sonata 1-Biberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jd2wYGeGsn4&list=PLvszsPl-ZIE6zfwDQ5RafOT3ObUOQ6CA_&ab_channel=SP%27sscorevideos
When Biber wrote them there were only 15 Mysteries but the Pope added 5 more in 2002-do the new ones(the luminous mysteries) count or they fake and gay?
>>124032067papal supremacy in both vatican I and II is illegitimate
Karajan remarked that he felt "a much deeper influence, affinity, kinship—call it what you like—[in Sibelius's music] with Bruckner. There is this sense of the Urwald, the primaeval forest, the feeling of elemental power, that one is dealing with something profound.
schwarzcops > ludwig > baker
https://files.catbox.moe/xh1fk5.mp3 baker
Do you think you could recognise the form of a Classical piece just by listening?Do you know the difference between a Passacaglia and a Chaconne?
>>124032403passacaglia and chaconne were used interchangeably, so trying to define a difference is futile.
What is the best instrument?
Bieber Passacaglia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw70yHzD1RE&ab_channel=XavierD%C3%ADaz-Latorre
>>124032479Harpsichord.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSXj48lkFew
gentlemen, i am still looking for tower record's remastering of vaughan william's simponies conducted by boult. can get for me sir?https://www.discogs.com/release/23524385-Vaughan-Williams-London-Philharmonic-Orchestra-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-Sir-Adrian-Boult-The-Compl
>>124027226> they replaced the pagan gods with the jew god,ffs as if this wasn't bad enough they're a pagan larper as well. At any rate most folk songs are at best from the 17th century but usually more recent than that
>>124031619
>>124027226>Folk music was the TRUE European musicfolk music isn't a regional genre, retardit refers to common people (folk) cultural music
>So songs that used to be about peasant fun like slapping the tavern wench on the ass are now about how you are going to burn in hell for not worshiping a kike.I mean does this anon know that Europe has been Christian since 380AD? These 'Pagan' types are the worst>>124032543Very nice sound very crisp. Sound very spindly and spidery
>>124032881>Sound very spindly and spideryYes.
>>124032881>I mean does this anon know that Europe has been Christian since 380AD?the relevance of that being?
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zajHUOvsws
Brahmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k-YU15CYxE&list=OLAK5uy_n_kzdS-S3_N_1cBLKAZsjdBMzIGRe0Mu0>>124032963Please stay on topic shlomosister.
over half the thread is filtered for me kek
>>124032977Hofmann was a great pianists but man how can you listen to that hiss recording? There are much better Impromptu recordins by equally great pianists, where the sound of piano is audible and can be fully appreciated.
>>124032963You do know there's more than one poster who replies to you, yes?
>>124033040sure they are but i'm in a Hofmann mood
>>124031124Scriabin > Chopin
>>124032669can private tracker users make a request?
>>124032669Where have you been looking?
>>124033170just orpheus, soulseek, rutracker and search engines. i don't have redacted.
>>124033182Is it on streaming services? You could try there and use a downloader.
>another thread derailed with off topic garbageWhy are you guys like this
>>124033065>a Hofmann moodbasado and hisseadohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz7yy631nG0
>>124033146who are you quoting, schizo sister?
>>124033194no, tower records doesn't release web, only cds.
>>124031898love pic related
Debussyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2EWuW6MM_4
>>124033197kek
Petzold
Technically speaking I have always approached musical texture through part-writing. Both Atmospheres and Lontano have a dense canonic structure. But you cannot actually hear the polyphony, the canon. You hear a kind of impenetrable texture, something like a very densely woven cobweb. I have retained melodic lines in the process of composition, they are governed by rules as strict as Palestrina's or those of the Flemish school, but the rules of this polyphony are worked out by me. The polyphonic structure does not come through, you cannot hear it; it remains hidden in a microscopic, underwater world, to us inaudible. I call it micropolyphony (such a beautiful word!)Atmospheres-Ligeti which I've been told is an example of primarily horizontal motion in music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPr4vRRQKvQ&ab_channel=Erinnmnnpic unrelated
>>124033211So what's wrong with this edition?https://www.discogs.com/release/7337483-Vaughan-Williams-Sir-Adrian-Boult-London-Philharmonic-Orchestra-New-Philharmonia-Orchestra-London-SyIt's on ru, but I'm not sure if they are the same.
Xenakishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmi2EVb7kQU
>>124033401this is obviously a completely different mastering from what he requested
>>124033572well my bad, I didn't notice the tower recordings were remastered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNWpZ-Y_KvU&ab_channel=0zzyMediaO Fortunalike the moonyou are changeable,ever waxingand waning;hateful lifefirst oppressesand then soothesas fancy takes it;povertyand powerit melts them like ice.Fate – monstrousand empty,you whirling wheel,you are malevolent,well-being is vainand always fades to nothing,shadowedand veiledyou plague me too;now through the gameI bring my bare backto your villainy.Fate is against mein healthand virtue,driven onand weighted down,always enslaved.So at this hourwithout delaypluck the vibrating strings;since Fatestrikes down the strong man,everyone weep with me!
Bax, Arnoldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfSBPySEEEs&list=OLAK5uy_kqgqr1edgC9EgMoblvUAbix8kKf0zFuc0
>>124031439A bit too.. doodley woodley, if you know what I mean.
>>124033941I don't.
Enjoying Bernstein's Sibelius :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJaFj3iF0K8&list=OLAK5uy_n47JpgOhgUdQUfNnjUQaFTAsvDMYb4UBM&index=1
now playingstart of J.S. Bach: Passacagliahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbDfqJzj4ho&list=OLAK5uy_lZV5-I-y4ozOxiM0NX7tOYC_7DRFsYeu0&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZV5-I-y4ozOxiM0NX7tOYC_7DRFsYeu0
>>124034524Man, I so very wish Stokowski had recorded the entirety of The Art of Fugue in this orchestral style.
>The Art of FuguePretty boring.
>>124034586Have you heard it in string quartet or orchestral form?Keller Quartet (String Quartet)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeVbFzl5YTU&list=OLAK5uy_mk5uCqmFB5lR-eUyJCO504YwvCt66QXCc&index=2Munchinger (Orchestral)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj2ufDv__sU&list=OLAK5uy_la5zCwtiVp5oNPoJC1p0EkJhjxUiCAxms&index=4
art of fug organ style https://files.catbox.moe/uk9zm4.mp3
>>124034845Glorious.
Sorry mates I was late. Who is the Schizo of the Day and his ramble? Anyway what do you think of picrel' works?
>>124035152This looks like a fake album cover.
>>124035165I was looking for her chamber works in YT and her connection with Hitler gave me mixed results.
>>124035152i don't allow composers who are women to enter my library
>>124034586about as retarded as calling Hamlet boring
>>124035302To Fugue or not to Fugue...
>>124035285Infidel
>>124035152Schizo of the Day was purged by mods this time
>>124035453>Schizo of the DayWe have 2, maybe 3 of them. Hard to know if they are just talking to themselves. Listen to picrel
guys I haven't eaten in so long I might faint and there's no food nearbymusic for this feel?
I want to learn to play this, but its imposible to find in my country and very expensive to get from the outside.
>>124036036Ribmaninov, Steakvinsky, Beefthoven.
>>124036060quite quickly for you to think those up good job
>>124036070Nah, someone posted the first two like a week back in a reply to someone who posted "Rachmaninov, Steakvinsky"Stuck with me for some reason
Recommendations for recordings of Berg's Violin Concerto?
now playingBartók: The Miraculous Mandarin, BB 82, Sz. 73 (Op. 19)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY0vhhR7wCg&list=OLAK5uy_lZUzZEOFsC8bvTTBgIEboKii5xl3sfimY&index=1start of Bartók: Concerto for Orchestra, Sz. 116https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeXgCa8nHhw&list=OLAK5uy_lZUzZEOFsC8bvTTBgIEboKii5xl3sfimY&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lZUzZEOFsC8bvTTBgIEboKii5xl3sfimY
>>124035901please stop ban evading shlomosister
>>124036039You want some fat lute?
>>124036196https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0GzNmf_AUw
>>124036468Can't go wrong with Perlman/Ozawa for a work like that I guess. Thanks.
>>124036465Any lute
>>124036247I'm beginning to suspect people just pretend to like Bartok
>>124036520Bartok was an important composer though. His Mikrokosmos is the third testament of music. (The WTC and Beethoven sonatas are the first and second, respectively.)
>>124036520>‘Newcomers to the Bartók quartets will find this a sincere, imaginative and splendidly played entry point; old hands will quickly find 101 new reasons why these extraordinary works rank among the supreme achievements of 20th-century music.’ (Richard Bratby, September 2017)
>>124036196https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpMxxlxHGPY
>>124036723>His Mikrokosmos is the third testament of music.Wow what a great era of religious fruition we are living in as followers of the religion of music!
>>124036451please stop ban evading wignat sister>>124036723wouldn’t that make it the quran?>>124036788thanks tipster sister
>>124036723>third testament>doesnt mean anything, no real word equivalence
>>124036723>MikrokosmosHaven't heard it, suggested recording?
>>124036775ty
>>124036824it’s a weird comparison anyways, unlike the WTC or the beethoven sonatas, the vast majority of the mikrokosmos are pedagogy pieces aimed at children. only the 6th book is of serious interest to professional pianists. >>124036889gyorgy sandor was one of bartok’s own students and he has a recording of it. >>124036775surely we can do better than fucking bernstein.
>>124036913>gyorgy sandor was one of bartok’s own students and he has a recording of it.Funny, that's the one I was looking at, added, thanks. 145 pieces, 135 minutes, should be fun.>surely we can do better than fucking bernstein.I added it too but gonna start with the Ozawa/Perlman. Added Levine/Mutter too, and for some old-school I've got Kogan / Rozhdestvensky.
>>124036956levine mutter is the recording everyone tends to mention by default, but i’ve always found it somewhat shapeless. i’m planning on investigating a recording by grumiaux and markevitch, surely it should fare a lot better than either of the gay baby rapists.
>>124036978>gay baby rapists.You talk to your Mutter with that mouth!?
>>124036956what I meant is that each set of pieces codified the era it was written in. Bach's WTC codified the baroque style, Beethoven's sonatas codified the classical style, and Bartok's Mikrokosmos codified modernism/post romanticism.
>>124036889Sandor (Vox, not Sony), Foldes, KocsisWorth hearing Bartok playing a few numbers himself.https://youtu.be/M43v84RET08He was a top tier virtuoso. It's a shame he didn't leave us more recordings, but he was pretty self conscious of leaving too many recordings of his own works because he didn't want people to just copy cat him.
>>124037009I assume you meant to reply to >>124036913 or one of the others, I knew exactly what you meant, anon, it's a nice comparison. I don't know how accurate until I've heard it, but it's a good one regardless.
>>124037009bartok’s ethnic modernist style is hardly indicative of the music of, say, schoenberg or prokofiev, though. the point of modernism is that there is no codified style like there is in pre-modern eras.
>>124037018>KocsisI do quite like his Bartok piano concertos. Just added his "Bartók: Complete Solo Piano Works," thanks. wtf Bartok wrote ~9 hours of solo piano music!? I feel it's never mentioned, hot damn.
>>124036978Gruimiaux's is good. Comes with a good Stravinsky VC too. I'll throw in Ferras as well, with the OSCC no less.
>>124037040There's no Joyce's Ulysses of music?
>>124036956>I added it tooYoutube playlist? Notepad? Im curious how other anons register their "To Listen"
>>124036757The string quartets are chiefly what I have in mind when suspecting people are fooling themselves into deluded enjoyment of his music, actually.
>>124037154YouTube Music.
>>124037059added the ferras, surely one of these recordings has to be better than the levine mutter now. >>124037142not really, modernism was split right down the middle in 1913 with the premieres of the rite of spring and pierrot lunaire. there is no single piece that is emblematic of turn of the century modernism precisely because it was schismed from the start.
>>124036520>>124037157But why?
>>124037186We need to be more centuries apart from XX and XXI in order to categorize their art.
>>124037009also, the idea that bach codified the baroque and beethoven codified the classical is extremely funny when you realize that both of them marked the ends of their respective eras. >>124037223not really, we can classify 20th century music just fine. it’s just a fact of the matter that the era is defined by a lack of a singular dominant style of music.
>>124037189I was just teasing for the most part. Do I think some people pretend or delude themselves into liking something because they, for example, are meant to like it or they have the image of themselves of someone who would like it? Undoubtedly. But not everyone, or even a majority of people, and any artist who reaches the level of Bartok has got to be, on some level, the real deal; anyone who brings up the 'emperor has no clothes' shit with anyone of Bartok's stature is a pseud.With that said, there's some of his music I kinda like but don't love, but stuff like his violin sonatas and concertos, and string quartets, man, I just do not get it at all.
>This is a lush, fantastical, heart-achingly beautiful landscape shot through with ineffable sadness. The dark side of Bartok’s imagination. The explosive shock of the Scherzo is as unexpected as it is unforgiving (its violence suggestive of that lovelorn Mandarin), the hypnotic night waltz (Intermezzo) is deeply unsettling, and the concluding Funeral March comes close to out-Mahlering Mahler in its intensity. There would seem to be no way out of the darkness.
>>124037262I really don't care for how dark so much of modernist music is. Like Shostakovich's symphonies; enough! But that's a great quote for a great work of art.
>>124037259if even bartok is enough to elude you, heaven forbid you ever have to contend with the second viennese school.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dRXpx5-6oo
>>124037254modernism was over by the 1950s so yes, the comparison with Bartok is accurate.
>>124037507bartok was active from 1890-1945, not exactly what i’d call the end of modernism.
Cage and Stockhausen were post-modern, and Glass is minimalist.
I found this to be pretty interesting, and hopefully someone else does too.
>>124037534meant for:>>124037522
>>124036913>surely we can do better than fucking bernstein.I’m sure many a woman said the same thing to herself
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVkEwIq3q04
>>124037549you’re not getting my point. bartok’s active musical years span from the end of the romantic era to the end of WWII. in comparison, the classical era had already begun prior to bach’s death in the form of his sons, and likewise with beethoven and the romantic era in the form of schubert and weber. >>124037574apparently not his wife, she tolerated his homosexuality antics.
>>124037584>bartok’s active musical years span from the end of the romantic era to the end of WWII. in comparison, the classical era had already begun prior to bach’s death in the form of his sons, and likewise with beethoven and the romantic era in the form of schubert and weber.would Shostakovich's Preludes and Fugues be a more accurate comparison?
>>124037609no, because they’re neither emblematic of modernism nor good.
>>124031124How do you guys cope with the fact that a lot of classical music - almost all symphonies, but a lot of lesser pieces, too, can only be adequately experienced live? Bassheads can buy large subwoofers, and if you like vocals, a satisfactory setup can certainly be arranged. Most genres have it relatively easy - a decent setup doesn't sound 100% like an original, but it sure can sound 98% as good. For classical, if we're talking about full orchestra - forget it. Organ - forget it. Fingers crossed, you live in a large enough metro area to have its own orchestra. And then hope they decide to put something you like in a season. And you bet you're going to that concert alone cause classical music is apparently boring - not related to my core argument, but also worth mentioning. When I travel (and I travel a lot for work), one of the first things I check is what's playing at a local philharmonic. Sure, if it's something popular, I can hear it again elsewhere, but rarer pieces can be a once-in-a-decade type of opportunity.What do anons here think?
just finished listening to that Ozawa/Perlman recording, containing Berg's and Stravinsky's Violin Concertos, as well as Ravel's Tzigane, all excellent, highly recommended.now time to get Tragicstart of Symphony No. 6 in A Minor, "Tragic"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XFdZEM5-5w&list=OLAK5uy_np14qFnMBa_kpCFNHkFmd-AG5WWjryRZ0&index=2Piano Quartet in A Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TjjdT73MEI&list=OLAK5uy_np14qFnMBa_kpCFNHkFmd-AG5WWjryRZ0&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_np14qFnMBa_kpCFNHkFmd-AG5WWjryRZ0
>>124037612so what would your pick be then?
>>124037543This just reads like numerology "connections". But the part about Jackie being a pleb in music was funny.
>>124037609That'd be a pretty good but not definitive choice. However, I gotta agree with sisteranon here, just as there is no third testament, especially one to represent our modern times, there isn't an equivalent for music, and as stated that's emblematic of modernism itself.
>>124037620The anecdote about the 8th is a tenuous connection, I'll agree, but performing the 2nd live on TV after the assassination and then the 5th's Adagietto at his funeral on request from Jackie-O is genuinely fascinating, imo.
>>124037619there isn’t any. again, the point of modernism is that there is no single codified style. even among the divergent styles, piano music is not particularly eminent. i mentioned pierrot lunaire as emblematic of the viennese expressionist/serialist style and the rite of spring as emblematic of the eastern european ethnic modernist style, but even that fails to take into account impressionism, neoclassicism, etc. and once you reach the post-war era every composer effectively becomes a style in and of themselves, making any sort of codification impossible.
>>124037614You are right but there are countless things to FOMO. At 45 I wonder why I keep growing my library, 300 books and counting, but looking at them give me a sense of comfort. Even if I cant read them all. Same with music. I love Early Music but there are almost zero performances in my city. Maybe someday?Ars longa, vita brevis.
>>124037657that's a shame.
>>124037615The more times I listen to this recording the closer it gets to pushing aside and dethroning my current top favorites. Find a flaw!
>>124037630What would be The Book of Mormon of classical music?
>>124037704Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto no. 2
A civil discussion on /classical/. Seems like someone took a nap.Anyway, I thought Schobert was a typo baka
>>124037704https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0
>>124037735Franz Brohms.
>>124037735>>124037745Bedoven
>>124037721what books are these?
>>124037735>>124037745>>124037758>I love boch's preludes and fugs
>>124037704Vivaldi - Four seasons?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aryDMAP6oug
>>124037769Andrew Roberts - Napoleon The GreatGeorge Saunders - Lincoln in the BardoHenry Miller - Tropic of CapricornComplete Works of Shakespeare, Riverside Editionsource: me, the picture-taker
>>124037776>fugsYou mean Fuchs
>>124037791faggot.
new to classicaljusstt been goin round random youtube shiddwowbeethoven impressed me most so far in terms of piano compositionsvery shimmering and technically powerful music
>>124037809kill yourself right now.
>>124037806:(It was my first afternoon in my new place. Aside from being a cute picture, I found it to be a good omen.
>>124037809love yourself right now
>>124037721you know, this makes sense, both are considered a laughing stock by the rest of us. if we swap incest for polygamy, it works. >>124037783swing and a miss>>124037809https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=CDC_9pTsgiLEls7e
>>124037831>you know, this makes sense,Thanks, I genuinely put some thought into a good answer lol
>>124037831Also you forgot the cultish fanbase and juvenile artistry.
>>124037846and not just that, but both have inspired entire generations of raving deluded cultists who seem completely insane to outsiders. it’s quite the apt comparison.
You never talk about classical guitar, why is that?
>>124037885Same reason I don't bring up The Fall's 'The Classical' here.
>>124037885I'm anti-Hispanic.
>>124037915This makes sense>>124037904This doesnt
Yeah, listening to that Grumiaux Berg recording and I still love it. The engineering is top notch, too. Wonderfully clear and the Concertgebouw still had their unique sound during this period.
>>124038070A note on the remasterings, though. Be sure to grab the latest one in the Markevitch Philips reissue. Earlier releases of this seem to be horribly denoised.https://youtube.com/watch?v=GdVy1ayei6k this one is the good one
>>124038123for both the berg and the stravinsky or just the berg? i’m not aware of any other release of the berg, whereas the stravinsky has gotten quite a few masterings.
>>124038070Man, does Grumiaux ever not have a top-tier recording of a work? Is there anything he was bad at?
>>124038146The Berg has been on 4 releases for CD so far. A 90s Japanese transfer I haven't heard. The initial no noise Philips release which uses Cedar processing and fucks things up, the 2016 "Philips Classics - The Stereo Years" set, and the recent Markevitch reissue.The 2016 Philips Classic reuses the no noise master from the 2008 release, but strangely enough uses a straight unfiltered transfer for the Stravinsky. So what I'm doing personally is just combining sources from the recent Markevitch reissue, and throwing in the Stravinsky from the 2016 release.>>124038164All of the Enescu students ended up pretty great. Him and Auer were the best violin teachers in history.
>>124038368How do you know all of this? Reading about recordings and studio work? Fascinating subject.
let's get Vague with the Vegh Quartet, now playingstart of String Quartet No. 4, Sz. 91https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwWIoVAFhWE&list=OLAK5uy_kMjglSOfUPhCuoJxzTVDCbJre0rjHnUYI&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kMjglSOfUPhCuoJxzTVDCbJre0rjHnUYIAfter this I'll listen to an hour or so of Mikrokosmos (Sandor)
Please dont go all audiophile in the answers but... do you listen to classical using wired headphones? I think its the best compromise in terms of quality vs price. My outputs range from thinkpad awful builtin speakers to some very basic Bose.
>>124038513When out-and-about I use a pair of wireless IEMs. I also own a pair of AKG K240s, which are wired, but at the moment I rarely use them as I currently prefer listening to music using my built-in speakers on my all-in-one monitor desktop.
>>124038440Thanks to my penchant for historical recordings I became pretty obsessed with how transfers of that material are done, and how much remastering can change one's perception of the music. There's a famous old demonstration from Seth B. Winner where he compared the then-new transfers of Beethoven's sonatas performed by Schnabel -- which were using cutting edge denoising technology -- to his mostly raw transfers made from old 78s. He demonstrated that harsh denoising can literally make notes disappear and ruin instrument tone. Of course, denoising algorithms have advanced significantly since the 90s, but it's still an important aspect of any remaster to be as minimalistic as possible IMO. Surface noise or tape noise is just inherent to old analog recordings, attempting to completely remove them is contrary to a good remaster. The brain is the best filter. Now, things like pops, clicks, pitch instability, channel imbalance... I'm fine with correcting those.
>Orchestral musicians are a tough breed, and it's hard to believe that they would respond with sensitivity to a conductor, now 28, whose tousle-haired publicity photos resemble a cherub on a chocolate box at Valentine's.That's funny. Opening of a review on this recording, talking about Robin Ticciati.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR5YWNmZ2f8&list=OLAK5uy_kuPzKhDFF2RERw4LlaHJa-Vk2tns_m1KI&index=1
>>124038569>now 28>he's 51 now
>>124038368i’m using the 1994 philips classics release for the stravinsky, i think i compared it with a newer transfer on qobuz and i found the newer transfer to be a little harsh as i always do. i’m planning on ripping the cover from archive.org when it goes back up who knows when. >>124038513>>124038544not /classical/, try >>>/g/ instead
>>124038626wtf the review was only written (published) in 2010, what a scammer.
Klemperer's Brahms 2 :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy6Q2df3EyM&list=OLAK5uy_lNXd9kA8OS9ggzV9NnhANXOcbpui8aALQ&index=1
>>124038631Ahh, looks like the 1994 release is the same as the 2016 one I'm using.
>>124038658Go to sleep, go to sleep, go to sleep, little baby...
>>124038634He recorded Brahms' Symphonies. Has anyone heard them? They were well received by critics but they are meaningless now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dom5vwaqgw&list=OLAK5uy_nNxYkjiyI7dr1qXpLobpLHB_h3pSB_zNQ
>>124038691I saw them when I found and added that little choral recording but I'm skeptical of trying out commonly recorded orchestral works by conductors I'm not familiar with. I'll gamble with my time on less recorded choral works like those ones (and they're pretty good -- soft, lyrical approach; doubt I'll revisit but good to listen to on-and-off tonight) but yeah, that's all. If you or someone else thinks they're good though I'll try them out.
>>124038544Thanks>>124038631>not /classical/, try >>>/g/ insteadEww no thanks. Its fine if no one else responds because off topic.
Anyone have a collection of quotes about what Mahler thought of other composers, historical or contemporary (or from the future!!)?
>>124038787i can’t recall any off the top of my head, but i know for a fact that he had a seething hatred of max reger that was so absurd even he found it funny. schoenberg, on the other hand, loved reger, as is befitting of a brahmsian.
>>124038845Neat, no wonder you detest the guy who posts Reger here so much.
>>124038859it’s funny because i don’t even dislike reger lol, i’ve written a pretty extensive paper on him for a project before. for the most part he’s repulsively pedagogical, but even a tuneless fuck like him can come up with a good idea every once in a while.
>>124038787Mahler thought he was the equal of composers who were obviously better than him (Sibelius and Bruckner).
>>124038658Fuck, this recording is stellar.
>>124038876>Sibeliusthe worst composer in the world
>>124038899I will find you and I will kill you and your entire family.
>>124038910>Ithe biggest retard in the world
Oh, Karajan *does* have a recording of Sibelius' 2nd, interesting, thought he only had that 4-7 set. Was gonna listen to Bernstein/NY tonight but now I've gotta mull it over.
>>124038871Probably not worth listening to for anyone not into music theory and/or academia?
>>124038944just listen to it carefully.
>>124038944it’s worth listening to for anyone who’s interested in every brahmsian stereotype taken to an extreme.
>>124038944it's a matter of taste. I like Reger's music for its gothic aesthetics.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYsqBDoIkW4
>>124038845>max regerThe German sociologist was a composer!?
now playingLuonnotar, Op. 70https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE3WFoUATkA&list=OLAK5uy_mMXIUYv1Nx5SkmRxung-J8hA0Abo3k7XI&index=6start of Symphony No. 2 in D Major, Op. 43https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD0vHeRk930&list=OLAK5uy_mMXIUYv1Nx5SkmRxung-J8hA0Abo3k7XI&index=2Pohjola's Daughter, Op. 49https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4GJC1NoPFk&list=OLAK5uy_mMXIUYv1Nx5SkmRxung-J8hA0Abo3k7XI&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mMXIUYv1Nx5SkmRxung-J8hA0Abo3k7XI
>>124039003Hmm I guess if good enough for Karl Richter, it's good enough for me. Thanks.
Why are Wagner's recicatives very unsatisfying to listen to? Compared to other composers' recicative
What are some recordings of the "organ concerto" sinfonias Bach wrote that have the organ play the continuo part instead of having a harpsichord specifically for that? It feels much more like the piece was meant for the organist to play the continuo and obligato at once
>>124031124is there anything like pic related but for scales in general instead of key signatures? for example, what's the best way to modulate from a pentatonic scale to an octatonic scale?
Trying to convince my fren to learn cello. What would be some good beginner piano + cello pieces for playing together?
>>124040142delusions of grandeur
>>124038787>GUSTAV MAHLER: The Mahler biographer Richard Specht reports that Mahler, “especially when Reger and his ‘cold confusion’ came up, became so comical in his rage that everyone burst into ringing laughter, in which he himself finally joined wholeheartedly, bewildered and struck by his own lack of moderation. . . . He found Reger’s gothic airs and graces deeply repulsive.”
>>124040243>a Jew who hates gothic art.typical.
>>124040156>learning an instrument is delusion of grandeur
>>124040051as far as I'm aware no such book or program exists yet.PS: Here's how to modulate from a pentatonic scale to an octatonic scale:D - C, E, G, A - Db, Eb, Gb, Bbin this example the four tone scale CEGA is common to both scales and can therefore be used to produce a seamless transformation.
>>124040297>>124040414put your trip back on, pedophile kraut>>124040342thinking that your friend who is presumably adult aged can learn a string instrument to the ability of being able to play with an accompanist in a short period of time is pretty fucking delusional, yeah. i don’t think you have a modicum of an idea of how difficult it is to develop the specific fine motor skills requirement for an instrument, doubly so as an adult and triply so if you have no prior instrument experiencez
>>124040547>triply so if you have no prior instrument experiencezCant even spell, kek
>>124040620forgive me for missing the punctuation button on my touchscreen keyboard and hitting “z” instead of “.”, truly a mortal sin.
>>124040547>thinking that your friend who is presumably adult aged can learn a string instrument to the ability of being able to play with an accompanist in a short period of time is pretty fucking delusional, yeahI am not saying this in the span of a month. Will probably take a while yeah. But I am talking about when he reaches that level.>i don’t think you have a modicum of an idea of how difficult it is to develop the specific fine motor skills requirement for an instrument, doubly so as an adult and triply so if you have no prior instrument experiencezAnd I dont expect it to be quick in any capacity. But again, when he is to that level i would definitely wanna play with him.
>>124040636Esl cope rofl
>>124040656>But I am talking about when he reaches that level.you are looking at literal years before his intonation reaches a level where it can serviceably play with a fixed intonation accompaniment instrument. i’m not so sure you can convince anyone to invest literal years of consistent labor into something that they appear to not be terribly interested in the first place. >>124040671if you say so, schizo.
>>124040671Thank you racister
>>124040681>i’m not so sure you can convince anyone to invest literal years of consistent labor into something that they appear to not be terribly interested in the first place.Well, the guy likes classical but his instrument is the drums atm. I wanna get him to learn a classical instrument so he can play some pieces and gain better appreciation. I was thinking Cello because it requires a lot of arm movement and is more of a full body excercise.
>>124040721>Well, the guy likes classical but his instrument is the drums atm. more likely than not, he’ll go along with it for a couple weeks and lose interest because of how steep the learning curve is. but hey, if you want to go ahead anyways, nobody’s stopping you. just rent your instruments instead of buying them outright. >I was thinking Cello because it requires a lot of arm movement and is more of a full body excercise.all string instruments require a shitload of upper body movement, though frankly if it’s enough to be equivalent to exercise that’s just bad technique. also consider the fact that you are trying to force an instrument with little to no standard percussive capability onto someone whose only musical ability is to play percussion.
>>124040414thanks. that's unfortunate to hear.
>>124040752Well what classical instrument would you recommend for a drummer?
>>124041082a timpani.
>>124041122A melodic instrument
>>124041127C-G-C is a melody.
>>124041140•_•
Is basso continuo neccesary knowledge for baroque counterpoint?
>>124041430no, but the science of thoroughbass is.
>>124041470Whats the difference?
>>124041470>the science of thoroughbassI've been searching for a book about thoroughbass, any recs?I'm more of a beginner but I know basic theory.
>>124041493you wouldn't understand.>>124041815read all the books you want but if you don't have a natural feeling for harmony, you will get nowhere.
>>124041860So true racister kraut pedo
>>124041860>if you don't have a natural feeling for harmony,I do. I think everyone does.Now I want to improve and work on it. If you have no book recs might as well just not respond instead of babbling nonsense.
>>124041908ok, then. which tone in the following scale functions as the bass?E, F, F#, Bb, B, C.trust your instincts.
Which recording would Mozart have preferred? Would he enjoy either?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIjtyZ0czxcOrhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7A8bjkVXC8
>>124038897it's from the mastering done by art et sons in 2023
>>124037885because autistic ramblings and mahler are now in vogue on /classical/
gentlemen, might someone be so kind as to create a request on private trackers or search usenet for warners new collectors edition of vaughan williams? https://www.discogs.com/release/25625587-Ralph-Vaughan-Williams-The-New-Collectors-Edition 2022
>>124041908Hahaha this copeI can see that most people have a natural feeling for the pentatonic scale, and thus do not have a natural feeling for the perfect fourth
Rachmaninoffhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJyqij6ldeE&list=OLAK5uy_kBPl8IvMpBRziAxj0myb2TgbfbrAJ0YdI
>>124040671Obsessed
now playingstart of Symphony No. 2 in G Major "London"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeqbqDtT9m0&list=OLAK5uy_m5eHEeJf-9n0fICGEMsXx6nvWFX2-4uCM&index=2start of Symphony No. 8 in D Minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZGlokyvBYw&list=OLAK5uy_m5eHEeJf-9n0fICGEMsXx6nvWFX2-4uCM&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m5eHEeJf-9n0fICGEMsXx6nvWFX2-4uCM
>>124043492Hey there's that conductor again >>124038569>>124038691How is it?
Honegger https://youtu.be/zyc5zscAy2U?si=Di6al91qlDcHv2C-
https://youtu.be/4dH3VBpx2ZA?si=JyP2cq5L8fMKPYrU
Top five recordings of Beethoven's 6th?
Best music for this beast?
>>124043680KarajanKlempererMunchBohmWalter
Karajan has no bad recordings.
>>124043885based and Karajanpilled
>>124043582duh, one of these was me and I decided to check out his other recordings I had to pause it, so I can't review it yet.
>>124043905Fair enough. Did you listen to the Brahms Nanie posted above? Not bad.
>>124043885He has, though.
>>124043930Such as?
>>1240436801) Klemperer warner 2023 - 5054197257049; 2) Bohm dg 1995 - 447 433-2; 3) Wand rca 1989 - RD 60090; 4) Karajan dg 1989 - 429 036-2i havent listened to any others but it must be said that i dont like pastoral played fast which is why karajan gets fourth spot. i also only tolerate two jewish conductors in my library, including walter who is permitted to stand guard on mahler's titan and only that. there's only so much i can tolerate with these kinds of people. klemperer gets free reign, however.
>>124043936You have a very amusing writing style despite being a wignat. You got a substack or something?
>>124043924I tried his 3rd but it was too fast. I dunno, I guess I'm used to slower performances.
>>124043956Oh I meant the piece posted in >>124038569. But ah, noted.
>>124043964Oh, that wasn't me lol.
What's crackin', my Slatkin?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX-1Rph4bs4&list=OLAK5uy_maxO_tleS8t-EVxrzfM6qbU_HkwbSzHH0&index=2
>>124044047Slatky or Slatki means sweet in Russian, so his surname is something like 'Sweety'
>>124044091Huh, neat, thanks. Explains why he's giving that pose on the album cover.
>>124038899“If you don’t like Sibelius then you ain’t white!”
If one comes to England or even America, [Sibelius]’s name begins to grow into the infathomable. He is named as often as a car brand’s. Radio and concert resound with the sounds of Finland. Toscanini’s programs are open to Sibelius. [...]His music is in a certain sense the only 'subversive' [music] from these days. But not in the sense of destroying the corrupt existing order, but in a Caliban-like destruction of all musical results of the dominion over nature that mankind acquired at high price from using the tempered scale. If Sibelius is good, then the standards of musical quality as richness of relationships, articulation, unity in manifoldness, diversity in oneness, which perennate from Bach to Schoenberg, are obsolete. All this is betrayed by Sibelius to a nature which isn’t natural, but rather a shabby photography of his parents' home. He has his part in the wearing-out in art music, even though he is easily bested by industrial light music. But in his symphonies such destruction is masked as creation. Its effect is dangerous.
>>124040752Why do you care so much ESL trannyjanny? It’s between that anon and his friend: if they want to try and play a cello and piano together it’s up to them, if it falls through it falls through it doesn’t fucking concern you. Talk about narcissism
>>124041941E
>>124044210>Not white >Dislikes Sibelius Many such cases
>>124044210Replace Sibelius with John Williams.
>>124044210Adorno is too good.
now playingLeonore Overture No. 1, Op. 138https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6IDpkCDA1s&list=OLAK5uy_k7eX2nKyNsg5tVbQmEBXYCVycsVb12vr4&index=7start of Symphony No. 6 in F Major, Op. 68 "Pastoral"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJHNQcbNZWQ&list=OLAK5uy_k7eX2nKyNsg5tVbQmEBXYCVycsVb12vr4&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7eX2nKyNsg5tVbQmEBXYCVycsVb12vr4
>>124043855>>124043936Thank you.
If Wagner does not dominate time like Beethoven, neither does he fulfil it like Schubert. He revokes it. The eternity of Wagnerian music, like that of the poem of the Ring, is one which proclaims that nothing has happened; it is a state of immutability that refutes all history by confronting it with the silence of nature ... the amorphous primal condition.
>>124044824>one which proclaims that nothing has happened
Braga Santoshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQYAKrN0Vs&list=OLAK5uy_lWaZ21a0wpEKVXPvIEMlNVJAXQZQy4F7A
>>124044824nonsensical babbling
Corellihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYyTDsatouk&list=OLAK5uy_llIdpN-JecEJyuofs_w5xZOMtLlPZV9y8
now playingstart of Schumann: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Rhenish"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMtVFcCOBG0&list=OLAK5uy_n9ihumZJtAFkuy9k8fEpOXynZ4hUhSWJ0&index=15https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n9ihumZJtAFkuy9k8fEpOXynZ4hUhSWJ0I gotta say, Schumann's 3rd sounds fantastic played at this tempo. Give it a try.
Melodic ability of the classical greats comparedHaydn: an unsurpassable inventiveness and a knack for folksy, whimisical melodiesMozart: yeah just add tons of trills and chromatic passing notes lmao that'll make it sound beautifulBeethoven: never wrote a melodySchubert: if I repeat it enough times it's goodHaydn is the clear winner
>>124045326All 4 are a bore. Everyone after was better. >inb4 triggered cuckservative classical "fans"
Nobody asked for your irrelevant, uninformed opinion.
>>124045326Beethoven never wrote the opening to Beethoven’s fifth or Ode to Joy?
>>124038513I used £3 earphones
is there a good composer who wasn't a theist?
>>124041082i wouldn't force something upon someone that they aren't interested in themselves, because they'll just quit when the going gets tough. >>124044265>REEEEEEEEE STOP TALKING TO PEOPLElmfao>>124044210the worst composer in the world>>124045233incorrigibly foul, also one of the ugliest album covers ever. >>124045445this is precisely the thing you don't want to say to someone arguing that beethoven was a weak melodist.
>>124045444Speaking of the eternally seething cuckservative classicoids
>>124043680probably some combination of walter, monteux, scherchen, plus two more. maybe schuricht and paray, or e. kleiber and leibowitz or munch and steinberg, i don't know. >>124043855>>124043936whatever it is, it's neither of these two.
>>124045500Karajan is the only correct answer.
>>124045480Ode to Joy- probably the most famous melody in history is a weak melody??
>>124045515bait is supposed to be believable
Beethoven was not a great melodist, and some of the orchestration is even bad. What makes it interesting is the form. With Beethoven, the form is all; because it is a case of what note succeeds every other note. In Beethoven’s case it is always the right next not. No composer had that, not even Mozart, to that degree. Where everything is so unpredictable and yet so right. It all works out. You can rely on it. You know the next note has to be the next note and the only next note. That makes his form perfect. How he had this, nobody knows, because he struggled, he scratched out, If you see his sketches, you see the agonies that this man went through. And what appears as the final product looks as if it was simply ‘phoned in.’ Directly from God. That’s what’s so incredible.
>>124045478A better question, is there a good composer who wasn't an atheist?The answer is no.
>>124045500I've never heard a Scherchen recording that wasn't extremely sloppy
>>124045530this post gave me secondhand embarrassment
>>124045530That's Bernstein, right?
>>124045516objectively speaking, it's a comically simple melody. that's part of the appeal, yes, but it doesn't take a genius melodist to come up with it. also, fame is hardly a measure of good melodic writing; the ode to joy is popular as a result of the influence of the symphony it's a part of being easily the single most influential ever written, not because of any outstanding qualities of its melodic writing. >>124045540and you'd be right, but they're all still exciting as hell regardless, and no one takes tempi quite as fast as he does with a full sized orchestra.
>>124045478All of these composers explicitly reject the notion of any gods or religious dogma. (Except Beethoven and Mozart, whose views are very difficult to ascertain; which very likely means they didn’t believe in anything, since at that time and place, expressing atheist views was very risky. Certainly Haydn thought Beethoven was an atheist.)BartokBeethovenBerliozBizetBrahmsBurgon, GeoffreyBusoniDebussyDeliusGraingerHarrison, LouJanacekKabalevskyKhachaturianLigetiMahlerMarshall-Hill, GeorgeMaxwell DaviesMozart (almost certainly)OrffPaganiniProkofievRavelRimsky-KorsakovRoremRubinstein, AntonSaint-SaensSay, FazilSchubertSchumannShostakovichSibeliusSmythStrauss, RichardTchaikovskyTippettVareseVaughan WilliamsVirgil ThomsonVerdiWagnerXenakis
>>124045569haven't you gotten tired of posting this stale pasta already? no one ever responds to it because it's too overt.
>>124045555No it’s well known even to people have never heard Beethoven’s 9th. At any rate simple does not equal bad and complex does not mean good.
Do I like John Adams?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wbo0jm5RQXY&list=OLAK5uy_kpXfF3aMI0IbEkdg8t6xOj_WGKzqhohZA
>>124045605>No it’s well known even to people have never heard Beethoven’s 9th.it's almost like the influence of beethoven's 9th far extends beyond the actual popularity of the symphony itself. >At any rate simple does not equal bad and complex does not mean good.and the ode to joy is neither very complex nor is it particularly good. it's comparable to a nursery rhyme at best.
>>124045534All of them except the Jewish ones
>>124045569Based.>>124045581No one responds because the case is closed.
>>124045634or perhaps because the bait is too obvious
now playingstart of Handel: Concerto Grosso in G Minor, Op. 6 No. 6, HWV 324https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OPj-zvKYYQ&list=OLAK5uy_km3wj3zJHu8D_3MivcwHVjGw4pm6d9S28&index=1start of Bruckner: Symphony No. 9 in D Minor, WAB 109 (Original 1894 Version)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB8H4MxmDxs&list=OLAK5uy_km3wj3zJHu8D_3MivcwHVjGw4pm6d9S28&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_km3wj3zJHu8D_3MivcwHVjGw4pm6d9S28
>>124045621>All of themClearly not.
>>124045540The RPO ones aren't really sloppy at all, the Vienna ones are but that's because he had maybe 1 rehearsal with them before the recording sessions. Still, his stereo remakes are pretty well held together given the circumstances. It's the Vienna Philharmonic at the end of the day so the occasional slip up doesn't really sound that egregious. He makes up for it in character and following Beethoven's instructions closely.
>>124045660Kubelik's Handel is surprisingly good. I'm used to his Late Romantic music.
>>124045657Not a bait unless each of the composers's views on list are addressed and examined carefully and then the obvious(that they were atheists) somehow disproven.
>>124045695>please please please take my bait!rofl
>>124045569what argument is there for Mozart being an atheist exactly? He explicitly claimed to believe in a creator god in different letters.
>>124045480>incorrigibly foul, also one of the ugliest album covers ever.Did you give it a try? It actually sounds great. I'm definitely gonna try the rest of his Schumann, and be on the lookout for other slow tempo recordings of the symphonies, as it doesn't sound slow at all but rather, just right. I've always found Schumann's symphonies to be somewhat lacking, and perhaps the tempo is the answer.>>124045688Indeed, this op. 6 sounds really good. I'm gonna have to try whatever other Handel he has. It's also an interesting opener for Bruckner 9.
>>124045757>Did you give it a try? It actually sounds great.again, no, i don't believe that distending melodic lines to the point of losing any sense of coherence is great. you're not going to convince me on this. >I've always found Schumann's symphonies to be somewhat lackingit's because they aren't very good symphonies to begin with. making a mockery out of them is not going to solve your problem.
>>124045749NTA but Mozart is the only one on the list who stictly speaking was not an atheist. But his involvment with freemansons(who were deists) raises a question about his christian beliefs.
>>124045776>again, no, i don't believe that distending melodic lines to the point of losing any sense of coherence is great. you're not going to convince me on this.And I'm saying in that recording, it isn't so slow to where that becomes the result. Quick comparison, it's only 10% longer than Levine's first movement of the 3rd.
Rhenish is the GOAT symphony.You can't convince me otherwise.
>>124045831Haha I wish it was that good.
>>124045815>its only a little slower than this other slow recording!you're not doing a good job of convincing me, you know? also, celibidache's entire shtick was that he liked to extend musical forms and melodies to the point of unrecognizability, so they could be perceived as walls of sound as opposed to actual paced dramatic musical arguments. saying that he isn't doing that is missing the point in and of itself.
>>124045841It is.
>>124045950Well, it makes me happy to know someone enjoys it that much, I wish I did too. It's very good, don't get me wrong, but just short of true greatness, especially for a composer of Schumann's stature and talent, you would think he'd have at least one symphony on that level.
For me, it's Nocturne Op. 48 No. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSAwZP8e-zQ
What choral work should I listen to today? Is it a Bach day, with St Matthew Passion? Or should I go with Haydn's The Seasons? Or go even further in the future with Mendelssohn's Elijah? Decisions, decisions...
create a new thread already
new>>124046114>>124046114>>124046114
>>124046057Ballade-tier nocturne. Also my favorite. But damn it's so hard to play
Gnossienne No.1 Erik Satiehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLFVGwGQcB0&ab_channel=DistantMirrors
