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Mozart Edition
This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

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>>124076285
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What's your favorite Mozart mass? And recording of it.
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>Mozart Edition

now playing

start of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 27 in B-Flat Major, K. 595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em8-vfivUUs&list=OLAK5uy_lgkAz62FcMvNEZK2ErKXg6an0oKYsd_co&index=1

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lgkAz62FcMvNEZK2ErKXg6an0oKYsd_co

Just from looking at the cover, is that Gilels' daughter performing with him on the recording? Looks like a 'bring-your-daughter-to-workday' type of picture.
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>>124094505
that one i torrented by Leopold Mozart
i liked that one
i forget its name but i remember it being really catchy
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>>124094562
I think it's the one with singing in it.
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How do musicians whether they be amateurs or professionals cope when their instrument has very little solo material written for it?
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now playing

Busoni: Fantasia Contrappuntistica
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-vVRyrxvbY&list=OLAK5uy_mj_Vtp8-VSqoE1dCfjkB8Rmwjr88HJqoE&index=1

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mj_Vtp8-VSqoE1dCfjkB8Rmwjr88HJqoE

good night
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>>124094872
they play arrangements of (insert bach solo violin/cello piece) for their instrument, or they play contemporary music, of which there is no short supply of solo music for strange instruments.
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>>124094581
no it was a piano concerto..not a chorale
bah dunna dunna dun...da dun...PROCTOR!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI1LRBDvSFs
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>Critics are not unanimous in praising the concerto, which was completed in 1904. Alfred Brendel, both a performer and a critic, called it "monstrously overwritten." But in the New Yorker, January 9, 2012, Alex Ross (The Rest Is Noise) writes of it that it is "a gaudy, unapologetically over-the-top piece, stuffed with references to nineteenth century Romantic styles ... Yet it is also a remarkable feat of controlled chaos. From an almost random heap of materials, Busoni fashions a solid, symmetrical structure, with a large slow movement at the center, two bustling scherzos on either side, and solemn-toned utterances as bookends ... there is something magnificently unserious about the work. Its excesses--the piling on of disparate elements, the climaxes upon climaxes, the accelerations of accelerations--are surely deliberate. You suspect that Busoni is mocking the bravura Romantic concerto as it emerged in the later nineteenth century, and, more widely, satirizing the gargantuan, post-Wagnerian apparatus of the music of his day."

So is satirical music supposed to still sound good while simultaneously mocking the elements it employs, or it's meant to sound bad and you're supposed to enjoy it on a knowing, ironic level? Just seems like a more confusing thing in music, where the content and form are one-and-the-same, compared to satirical works in other art forms.
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>>124095011
seems like delusional cope to me, busoni was not mahler or shostakovich. parody and satire is not an element present in any of his other music.
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>>124095043
Like I said, confusing and murky!

Also now I'm imagining someday letters discovered written by Mahler which say, to appropriate the famous Shostakovich quote, regarding the 5th's Adagietto: "a love song for idiots" and the whirlwind that'd cause.
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>>124095107
not really confusing when the busoni piano concerto is obviously not satire. the author just badly wishes that it was.
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>>124095158
sounds like robert levin LARPing as mozart as usual
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What's the actual list of un-challengables? (If Chopin's not one of your picks, I'll assume you're trolling btw)
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wtf i like Gardiner now (and Anne Sofie von Otter)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXOiGb1Hm6E&list=OLAK5uy_niKLHCx3UnEh5l9i_GbM21XX82BmrEhEU&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crVmCG8i9Bk&list=OLAK5uy_niKLHCx3UnEh5l9i_GbM21XX82BmrEhEU&index=5
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>>124095187
Like works anyone and everyone should love and consider a masterpiece? Chopin comes close but I wouldn't put him on that list.
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>>124095202
he’s not a bad musicologist, he just likes to LARP as mozart.
>>124095187
great question chopincel
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>>124095215
I was thinking of composers rather than works.
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>>124095346
Then it's just the big three, + maybe Haydn. Everyone else I can see a valid reason for disliking them, as much as I'd vehemently disagree on some.
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>>124095356
Oh, come on! You're saying Bach is that clearly above Chopin?
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>>124095373
In terms of I'd be more baffled if someone didn't like ANY Bach than if they didn't like any Chopin? Yes. Again this has nothing to do with which I personally prefer, only which is more 'un-challengeable.'
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>>124095373
the chopincel delusion is really off the charts today
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Anton Bruckner - Symphony No.8 in C minor (1890 Version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSTEI8I1-VE
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>>124094505
317 - Jochum
337 - Kegel
427 - Karajan (yes, go f-ck yourself)
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>>124095497
way to do the C minor dirty
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>>124095497
Nice!
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>>124095508
Barbara Hendricks is amazing
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>>124095544
too bad it's a piece for choir, orchestra, and 4 soloists, not just soprano.
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Some early Mozart to cheer up your day

https://youtu.be/lMLQizyYPHM?si=INTkp9mN0lfkoWi1
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What would be the best choice for a non-h.i.p. recording of Mozart's C minor mass? Fricsay, Leppard, Levine...?
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>>124095702
Karajan, Fricsay, Abbado, Levine

All quite different, but I really enjoy them all, probably in that order.
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>>124095702
fricsay
>>124095728
please stop
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>>124095731
You're right, Levine's is too operatic. Disregard that one then.
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>>124095187
I don't think there should be un-challengables, the fact that there is an idea that there SHOULD be (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven) is a result of Germanic imperialism. And anyone over-praising any of these composers have fallen prey into that cultural subversion. They don't listen to music out of pleasure of music itself, but irrelevant things around it (obsessively excess theory, ad populum, etc.)They have forgotten what's it like to truly enjoy listening to what YOU personally like.

Objectivity in art exists only within a certain context. When it comes to classical composers, you can't compare most of the 'big' ones by any objective measurable criteria. Chopin or Bach or Ravel have all equal grounds to stand on.
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>>124095783
you forgot to disregard karajan in pretty much every major choral work save haydn's creation and bruckner's te deum
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Does anybody know which recording of K.427 was used in Bresson's "A Man Escaped"?
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no fucking gook toons
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>>124095373
Chopin is basically a Bach transcriber for modern pianos with sustain pedals.
Tonally speaking there is nothing in Chopin which is not in Bach. His innovations were rhythmic and technical, not harmonic.
I say this as someone who ranks Chopin very highly.
I just think all the best post-Bach composers are Bach transcribers for more modern instruments and techniques.
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>>124096459
>Tonally speaking there is nothing in Chopin which is not in Bach.
Extended chromaticism(chromatic passing tones, non-functional harmony), modal mixture, altered chords (neapolitan), dissonances used for color rather than tension resolution purposes, innovative use of modulation - all these set Chopin apart from (and in some ways, above) Bach.
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I like singing with my community choir but sometimes I feel like they waste everyone's time. Most of them are older people (65+) who can't even read music. Some of them seem to be there because the retirement home gets boring on Monday nights lol.
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>>124096617
Nothing Bach ever wrote comes close to Ballade in F minor Op. 52, don't flatter yourself, bachfiend.
>>muh chromaticism
Muh copium? There are vast amount of differences, ones I listed are tip of the iceberg. Bach's chromaticism differs from the romantic era chromaticism, passing tones and non-functional harmony. If Chopin was Bach, then Baroque era is no different from Romantic
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I wonder if a hospital or nursing home would pay me to play piano there
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>>124095818
Applying relativism to music comes either from an ideological feeling that all should be equal, a deeply sickening idea that any form of artistic production is good within itself and that there is no standard to judge art, or from the realization that judging music comes to a dead-end; that it may not be objectively judged, and thus that such a debate, that is, comparing two different levels of art or artists, would be an impossible, superfluous one, given the fact that one could always retreat in his subjective appreciation of the given artist you are criticizing.

Of course, any discussion about music implies some kind of discussion ethics, if I may use the term: both speakers accept, upon entering a discussion, a certain set of rules, if this term could be applied --- this set of rules implies that the discussion will be rational.

If such a discussion were to happen, one could easily point out that Mozart's musical form is more complicated than that of, say, all of popular music. Two rational persons will have to agree on this. Someone disagreeing is not considered rational anymore, or is simply too uneducated to sustain the discussion. Thus the discussion ends. But if both agree, then we may start comparing every single aspect of Mozart's music to that of popular music, coming to the conclusion that everything about Mozart is more complex. Yet -- complexity does not mean the music is better, it only means it is better within this given aspect. As the discussion goes on, the person defending Art music will be able to quote and use the whole canon, hereby proving the artistic - not emotional or anything like that - superiority of Art music. In an objective way.

Only someone afraid of participating in such a debate would indulge in using relativistic arguments or refusing to discuss, on grounds of subjectivity.
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Wagner.
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>>124097172
>Mozart
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W.

https://youtu.be/hX8aYU3-CRc?si=V7qjNzf7XzifPF_H
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>>124095620
fuck engineering
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LUO-O7QMSM
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W.

https://youtu.be/CoSLD1sCyfc?si=n-Kai1Mq97Aw8kRo
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>>124097172
>Mozart's musical form is more complicated than that of, say, all of popular music

writing notes on sheet music offers more flexibility than plugging in daw bars...both are tedious tasks...if you could just play your piano and have alexa/siri record you...alexa record me starting now...alexa import my recording into my DAW...alexa Melodyne my song...that's good alexa while you're at it...suck my dick ahhhhhhhhhhhh that's good artificial intelligence
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https://youtu.be/cVncQFQIul8?t=73

This part here is the reason why Wagner surpasses every musical composer in existence. It is the reason as to why Nietzsche called Wagner a sickness that had infected and changed music for the better or worse. Exactly at 1:10 I started unconsciously masturbating till the end as I delved into the madness of Alberich (one who sacrificed love for power). This is a power leitmotif, power that only comes when you sacrificed your soul to the devil. Imagine my surprise when it was Wagner who created leitmotifs in the first place itself.

Truly the greatest composer that ever graced our shithole of an earth. We as humans should start conducting pilgrimages in the name of Wagner. There should be a church specifically dedicated to Wagner and Wagnerian religion.
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>>124095620
i personally dislike south koreans. they engage in death and sex cult rituals which go against the very fiber of my being. no, i don't differentiate between koreans. minutia like that leads to indecision and the inevitable spreading of a doctrine most distasteful and unkind. i have also deleted all of my korean films (north koreans are awful people too) for these reasons.
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>>124097407
if that's the case, it must be unfortunate for you to read the following: the world is going to war with north korea in 2033. i don't want it to happen, but its people are going to be herded into a manipulative force through the use of biometric tracking technologies whose ranges of compliance mechanisms is vast.
>>124097415
principles often get in the way of an otherwise enjoyable performance. however, it is that standard that makes me better than you.
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>>124097244
Will there ever be another human like Wagner?
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>>124096565
The idea that these phenomena weren't present in Baroque music betrays a weak familiarity with the period.
>Extended chromaticism
Chromatic Fantasia
>Modal Mixture
Prelude in C Major from WTC 1
>Neapolitan
St Matthew's Passion, 19
>Innovative use of Modulation
Bach's use of modulation goes beyond modulation; allow Gould to demonstrate
https://youtu.be/rRGwALS968c?si=GNZ0Fndy1YzDa9mo&t=140
>Dissonances used for color rather than tension resolution purposes
There's hardly a composer with a more adventurous exploration of dissonances than Bach until the 20th cent.
Just look at the bitter, acerbic use of the minor seconds in the A minor fugue from WTC 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s2CV257RTI
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Ockeghem was claimed by Webern, along with his younger Flemish contemporary Obrecht, as a source of profound inspiration.

https://youtu.be/aUX0Y5s15MI?si=9fVrb-_y235dQTnw
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>>124096956
>Nothing Bach ever wrote comes close to Ballade in F minor Op. 52

The fugue in E flat major from the German Organ Mass
Here's 3 different arrangements
Organ
https://youtu.be/jr_jK-fzglM?si=aZ7iSeSiLXS7DiZp&t=599

The Schoenberg arr. for orchestra
https://youtu.be/32JjEib8drM?si=Kcea7c5Byw5o_yqg&t=520

The Busoni transcription for piano
https://youtu.be/BCnT1tLautc?si=0Ne0XGDtV8XJiUhd&t=574

The Ballade, while certainly a masterpiece with moments of overwhelming emotional power, simply does not share the same level of musical coherence and consistency from beginning to end. IMO, it relies on radical, somewhat jarring tempo changes (the 2nd theme intro, the slow chords before the coda) and relatively drier, more inert sections where new material has to be slowly built up and developed before it is combined with previous material, during which the listener's engagement with the music is weakened (at least if one is not already familiar with the piece).
Unlike the Bach fugue, which is transcendent the whole way through, and in which new themes are introduced and immediately absorbed into the musical line without losing momentum.

This is the best recording of the Ballade I've heard, for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5B9_4FX0A
I've played the Busoni transcription of the Bach for piano myself, and have started working on the 4th Ballade (I've stumbled through it though I can really only play the Intro and the first A section).
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>>124097689
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5B9_4FX0A
too slow...
>piano roll
nevermind

i like these renditions btw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87eto5LRSgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-KYmOtQvhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeBnpqcsJRU
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>>124097464
>principles often get in the way of an otherwise enjoyable performance. however, it is that standard that makes me better than you.
Stereotyping and dehumanizing those that are a political enemy is not a virtue, it makes you a useful idiot.
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>>124097782
Feinberg's recordings have generally not moved me yet (neither this one, nor his WTC)
I prefer faster tempos for this Ballade.
I already like the 3rd one (but I can't tell who's playing). Some great voicing and rhythmic coloration.
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>>124097876
that's josef hofmann
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>>124097868
deciding between morality and doing what's necessary is challenging to say the least and, as was already stated, often leads to indecision and the spreading of, in this case, a tracking ring. besides, the recording you shared was nothing special. i bet your intention behind posting it was to bait a reaction similar in regard to my sentiments.
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>>124097949
>deciding between morality and doing what's necessary is challenging to say the least and, as was already stated, often leads to indecision and the spreading of, in this case, a tracking ring.
There is no morality in your actions, it is ill-defined and politically motivated.
>besides, the recording you shared was nothing special. i bet your intention behind posting it was to bait a reaction similar in regard to my sentiments.
It was not, that is a schizophrenic idea. Most are not obsessed with race enough to think that posting a recording of a classical piece will make someone shit their pants. I like the engineer of this recording's work on other recordings. And the sound here is splendid, my main question was what people thought of the performance, simple as.
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After I listened to all of Beethoven's symphonies im ready to move to the Romantic period. Who shoukd I listen to?
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>>124097984
my ideals are ethically sound, for what better use of my consciousness is there then putting to it the task of saving the human race? i've had ample opportunity to measure your worth from responses you've given to other anons. for example, you neglect that the world isn't superficial but rather engrossed in complexities.
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>>124098071
schumann, brahms, chopin, etc
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>>124098071
Start with Chopin's Ballades, Nocturnes, Rachmaninoff's Concertos (esp No.2), Brahm's symphonies (esp No.4), Mendelssohn Violin Concerto and Scumann's Violin Sonatas.
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does mozart's piano sonata 11 have an unofficial title name?
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>>124098247
The steins gate song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPQgu3W1Ud4
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>>124098071
Schubert, obviously.
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>>124098071
Schumann, Schubert, Mendelssohn
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>>124098071
>>124098283

+Glinka
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>>124098107
You are not sacing anyone with your posts, let alone the human race. You seem to be having delusions of grandeur. Keep in mind you are still shitposting in a general made up of internet autists, mostly NEETS or people bored at work. In the grand scheme of things, your posts accomplish nothing.

Your best bet is to take this site not as seriously.
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>>124098309
>nihilist perspective
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Behead all animeposters
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>>124098459
I am far from a nihilist. But there is no perspective where talking to autists about classical music on an imageboard originally intended for weeb recluses has any ability to save the world. If you want to do that, get off here and go out into the real world. You're only wasting time here.
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>>124098489
Maybe just go to a website that isnt themed around japan if you dont like anime, man.
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>>124098071
Just listen to Wagner.
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>>124098514
don't you understand? these ideals embody my person where ever i go. they can't be separated even if i dedicated the good part of a week, no, a month to it. and that principled approach is what makes me better than you.
piano concerto no. 8
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>On Feb. 22, 1951, Charles Ives’s Second Symphony premiered in New York — some 50 years after the piece was completed. Long shunned by the musical establishment, his scores deemed too complex, Ives was finally getting the recognition he deserved. Though he was too frail to attend the performance, he heard the concert later, when it was broadcast to the nation via radio.

>Ives didn’t own a radio, so he and his wife went to their next-door neighbors’ home in West Redding, Conn. He ensconced himself in the front room and listened in silence. The work’s final movement, a frenetic jamboree weaving together strains of popular American tunes, culminates in an irreverent final chord, a sort of musical raspberry. After it sounded over the airwaves and the audience began to applaud, Ives got up, walked to the fireplace, spat, then entered the kitchen without saying a word.

That conductor's name? Leonard Bernstein.
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Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPahCPYeaz0
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>>124098575
Better than me you are definitely not. But you are free to think so. I don't think any poster in this general is better than any other. It's good to have a decent self image, but too high an ego is going to lead to embarrassment.

Anyways let's talk about music:

One of my biggest gripes is when a recording I like is only available in collections that don't do them respect. The Altenburger recordings of the violin concertos by Bach are very nice, but I can only find them in this state on youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHhW0Gu4GY

Granted, it's mainly due to how excellent the instrument separation is on this recording, even if the performance is nothing to write home about. But I do believe it deserves better than this. That is the case a lot of the time I look for lesser known recordings that people I like worked on.
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>>124096565
>>124096956
chopincels are literally fucking musically illiterate holy shit
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>>124098670
i’d be fucking seething too if i had a major piece of music sitting around for half a century only for a gay pedophile to take a fat shit all over it
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>>124098670
they can't keep getting away with it
>>124098780
i have analyzed so much of your past that i can now definitevly state that you prefer faster performances over an appropriately timed performance. also that 1041 is too bright https://files.catbox.moe/cu0x5o.mp3
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>>124099541
>i have analyzed so much of your past that i can now definitevly state that you prefer faster performances over an appropriately timed performance.
I like a balance and I like the tempo that works best with a piece. Karl Böhm isn't my favorite conductor because he is lightning fast in his performance, he is quite the opposite usually.
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>>124099541
Is this recording any good? I quite like Szeryng's Bach but he really had to pair up with Marriner?
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>>124099597
yours was with helmut winschermann not bohm who has the most perfect tempos in the entire classical genre. mine is with shitty marriner and a jewish violinist who i've grown accustomed to and, dare i say it, tolerate over his time with haebler.
>>124099764
i think he paired up with whoever was willing to take him. i remember reading that he had a difficult personality to work with but maybe that's head cannon. the sound is pretty good. can't speak to the performance, however.
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now playing

start of Elgar: Symphony No. 2 in E-Flat Major, Op. 63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzsVMxqp_l8&list=OLAK5uy_kmsd7w3kTB6goYoarT4RSQ7gsm1WF0-rI&index=1

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kmsd7w3kTB6goYoarT4RSQ7gsm1WF0-rI
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>>124099804
>yours was with helmut winschermann
You're misunderstanding how I tend to look for recordings sometimes. I have a high tendency to prioritize the clarity of sound in a recording and sometimes look for recordings based on the engineers who worked on it. Winschermann isn't a favorite conductor, but I do like the sound on a lot of his recordings.
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i really just listen to old Folk Music at this point, most classical composers were involved in Luciferian cults, most of them were embedding manipulative frequencies, and spells in to their works. If you think classical music is wholly beneficial, it’s time to reconsider, because those same techniques are definitely still being used in today’s pop music.
basically what i am saying is that you are casting spells and curses on yourself by listening to this shit, that goes for most music.
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>>124100029
not /classical/, maybe try >>>/x/ instead
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what was the last classical piece?
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>>124100029
Guys, help, I'm hooked on reading schizo-posting.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfEjiWdEEJw

Bach played traditionally is so awesome. Wish there were more performances like this and less HIP
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>>124100178
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFCpuAWY7m8
yeah
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>>124100003
i have had the displeasure of being gaslit on several occasions from my government, my family and even my ex-girlfriend. it should come as no surprise then that your attempts at clouding my judgement are futile. the context was concerned with bwv 1041 to which you had stated, "Karl Böhm isn't my favorite conductor because he is lightning fast in his performance, he is quite the opposite usually." this sentence confused me greatly. is anon trying to suggest that bohm was present in the previous bwv 1041 he had linked? i put it to you that that is exactly what you meant and now you're covering your tracks to hide from shame.
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>>124100003
I hope you're now aware of the type of mind you are attempting to engage with: >>124100225
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>>124100225
>is anon trying to suggest that bohm was present in the previous bwv 1041 he had linked?
....no?
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Guys, can you recommend me atmospheric and meditative classical choral music in the vein of this?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0qaO6wIstU
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>>124100369
https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=Zbj6GFkQ4r7jXAlN
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>>124100369
Most Byrd and Tallis sound that way to me. Perhaps slightly less atmospheric.
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>Franck's String Quartet, his last major work, was similarly acclaimed by it's first listeners. After it's first performance in April 1890, with tears in his eyes, Cesar Franck is said to have told his pupil Vincent d'Indy, "Now you see: at long last the public is beginning to understand me."

:3

Good for Franck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHvUo3tJQqw&list=OLAK5uy_kicSQVswLEa-lBfJ9pv8Mw3_Mdlgo5tvI&index=1
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>>124100029
And yet here you are, curious.jpg
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>>124100385
Thanks, I'll try.
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>>124100619
Tallis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkL1hdL40i0&list=OLAK5uy_mpzpguwiECYhQjXY3KmJR_upLSI8ySeaE&index=1

Byrd:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAp-5K1SGcs&list=OLAK5uy_mpDv3mVT3aIDV7h-RT-tL3TycDb4Ks4ww&index=1

both link to a playlist for the respective recording
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>>124100029
my local church father told me that music in general should be listened to with caution, for its ability to embolden and fantasize people away from their domains ends up leading them astray from who they are and who they are meant to be like. it's basically a tool to ensnare listeners into acting upon vices to constrict their own heart nous.
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>>124100678
He's a Platonist, report him to the proper authorities immediately. You have been warned.
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>>124100678
why are you going to the church in current year unless you're an unmedicated schizophrenic
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>>124100678
That's really interesting, I've noticed something similar in myself. There's something demonic about music, something that overtakes one's person that isn't present in, say, literature.
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>>124100453
Didn't Frank start composing later in life too? or am I misremembering that? It must've been very cathartic in any case.
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>>124100772
Both have similar effects on a person's soul, the difference is music is immediate and ephemeral, literature is spiritual and permanent. The right music can rouse a man's soul for a day, the right literature can rouse a man's soul for a lifetime.
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>>124100843
The effect of music on the soul is not comparable to the effect of literature on the soul. Its effect is an intoxicating vice like drinking or gambling, whereas some literature can drive a person to contemplation and thus to God.
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you'd think such low quality bait would be easy to ignore, but i guess not.
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Glad these threads are doing better. It was pretty grim this time last year.
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>>124100899
Except you can easily flip that around. Say, Bruckner's 9th or Bach's Mass in B minor vs. Nietzsche.
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>>124100971
That is an interesting point, anon. But nonetheless, even works composed with God in mind cause a kind of demonic agitation in someone who's receptive. While the works of Nietzsche can and will remove someone of wavering faith from God, they do not cause a comparable motoric elation in the same way that music does. But I will concede that it's not as obvious with spiritual works. And perhaps there's an exception to be made there. God knows.
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>>124100678
Your local church father should commit suicide
>>124100772
>>124100843
>>124100899
>>124100971
>>124101046
thanks for off-topic, religious fanatic cretins
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>>124101084
I pray that some day, God will reveal himself to you and that you will find serenity on that day.
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Heard the postman humming Schoenberg this morning
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>>124101134
When the jewish god reveals himself to me, I will personally fart into his mouth and piss on his head whilst playing Scriabin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvz39UIADLE
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I am lost in the dream of a madman, pacing the warped hallways of the Palace of Black Gnosis... the screams of a schizophrenic greet me in the hall and a black mass is being conducted in the chapel where people are committing adultery... this is just what happens when you hear the Chord of the Pleroma...

Yess... hehehe wild things happen with a raised fourth and a flat seventh all in one chord... the human ear wasn't quite meant to hear such fucked up supernatural things eh? life is a kind of psychedelic pain out here at the fin de siècle... we out here with neurasthenia and synesthesia... smelling salts and infected pimples... do you think you're k-k-krazy enough to handle it?? Things are getting pretty Mysteriovs out here so I wouldn't blame you if you tapped out...

Whoa... did you catch the name of that one? Prometheus baby... this is a Poeme de feu!! looks like we're goin for a second round with the gods yeah... we out in Tibet and there's like monks and art scrolls and Buddhism here and we gonna wake up that ancient Aryan wisdom... do you feel your vril rising up bro? YOu'll be seeing ultraviolet light bro!! HYPERBOREANS used to listen to this scale bro!! DO YOU FEEL IT BRO?? Btw could i interest you in the works of Richard Wagner they're very influential to me
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>>124101258
thanks scriabincel
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>>124100968
How so?
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>>124101687
He enjoys following along with my Mahler obsession.
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So aside from these guys >>124095201 and Strauss' Four Orchestral Songs, any other orchestral lieder?
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>It's said that Korngold was crushed by a reviewer who said that his music needed less corn and more gold.

lol?
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>>124100074
Ornstein's 8th Piano Sonata (composed 1990)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=393c0SxhXT8

He was born in 1895 and studied composition with Glazunov back in Imperial Russia.
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>>124100718
>fedoratipping on a general built on Christian music
retard
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now playing, here's three of the six pieces included on the recording

Barber: Overture to "The School for Scandal", Op. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MwIzhtEQw&list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA&index=2

Barber: Knoxville: Summer of 1915, Op. 24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYTZRjom8bM&list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA&index=3

Barber: Second Essay for Orchestra, Op. 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChVWJgW-kSg&list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA&index=4

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA
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>>124102025
Christian music has its own board, >>>/cm/
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>>124102283
thats the catholic board
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>>124102354
>The roots of all music lie in ancient babylonian and ancient greek practices
kek, embarassing retard
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>>124102403
Illiterate christcuck moment
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>>124102195
That first one, the overture, is stellar.
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>>124102354
>>124102416
Dilate
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>>124102426
Cope&seethe
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>>124102443
so true fedorasister
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>>124102354
>Your jewish cult religion
Why are jews bad if it is not their subversion of Christian society? explain.
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>>124100968
These threads are just getting progressively worse.
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it appears the wignat bagan sister has returned
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>>124102457
Thank you desert cultist sister.
>>124102468
Incoherent question.
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So what Bartok solo piano music is worth listening to? Or at least, what's the best stuff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__mcRwhUlY0&list=OLAK5uy_laf-rwEiv4yw_eKvUThDXv68MqcpZkwrw&index=1
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>>124102511
>Incoherent question.
its quite simple to understand, actually, but ill simplify it more: Why do you think jews are bad?
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>>124102519
most of it, try pic related
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>>124102598
ty, added!
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Hot damn, why has no one mentioned this work before, it's brilliant. Of all the works I've shared lately, please try this one:

start of Zemlinsky: Die Seejungfrau
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYaXa9Hiis&list=OLAK5uy_nB0IfAM4a5mmLcTU47MQXGmhqZhwXSCbU&index=1

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nB0IfAM4a5mmLcTU47MQXGmhqZhwXSCbU
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>>124102579
I did not say "jews are bad". But I dislike their religion and abrahamism, as well as zionists and international jewish bankers - which is off-topic on /mu/ so here's a Scriabin sonata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDTgj_69JKA
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With the advent of the First World War, Debussy became ardently patriotic in his musical opinions. Writing to Stravinsky, he asked "How could we not have foreseen that these men were plotting the destruction of our art, just as they had planned the destruction of our country?"[144] In 1915 he complained that "since Rameau we have had no purely French tradition [...] We tolerated overblown orchestras, tortuous forms [...] we were about to give the seal of approval to even more suspect naturalizations when the sound of gunfire put a sudden stop to it all." Taruskin writes that some have seen this as a reference to the composers Gustav Mahler and Arnold Schoenberg, both born Jewish. In 1912 Debussy had remarked to his publisher of the opera Ariane et Barbe-bleue by the (also Jewish) composer Paul Dukas, "You're right, [it] is a masterpiece – but it's not a masterpiece of French music."
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>>124102654
>But I dislike their religion and abrahamism, as well as zionists and international jewish bankers
Seems you mostly dislike things that are not at all present in Christianity. Maybe educate yourself beyond /pol/ graphs and you'd be a wiser person. Because if you dislike zionism you are right now an agent of it.
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>>124102687
>if you dislike Christianity you're aiding the interests and doing the bidding of Zionists

Holy shit. Anyway this is off-topic, please take your guys' discussion to >>>/pol/, >>>/lit/, or >>>/his/, please, and thank you, have a nice day.
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>>124102354
Trying to deny the church's involvement in the development of classical music is embarrassing to say the least.
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>>124102687
Another incoherent babble.
Educate yourself on Christcuckery, Jewsus and how it has been used to subvert Europeans. And here's my last reply to you, Moshe, I'm enjoying Emerson's Beethoven string quartets at the moment.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRgtzQUY-YkhGbRTEQZ3-mBbQnSqm323v
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>>124102718
>>if you dislike Christianity you're aiding the interests and doing the bidding of Zionists
Yes? Christianity is literally denying zionists of their chosen people's status. It is the most anti-zionist you could possibly be.
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>>124102737
How has it been used to subvert europeans, retard? Explain properly, or give a book that provides reasoning on this. Because you're just spouting retarded /pol/ talking points with 0 sense.

Western society since weimar has basically been a constant jewish battle to subvert Christian society.
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Can someone explain why this is so good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wmDrGUFeM
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>>124102725
The church would stay in the dirt if ancient Greek knowledge had been lost. Classical music would prosper and probably suprass the current classical music if Christianity didn't exist at all.
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>>124102737
listen to a better recording, emerson fucking sucks
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>>124102653
This is like Strauss meets Tchaikovsky or Scriabin. Gorgeously compelling, emotionally stirring, spiritually illuminating, and aesthetically interesting music.
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>>124102787
Greek theory fucking sucked though, plato's ideal would be every instrument playing the same note, which would suck ass.
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@124098489
Jakshitter crucifixion
>>124098522
"Anime".
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>>124102783
But it isn't.
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>>124102765
https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Owen-Benjamin-Sacred-Cows:4
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>>124102790
I've listened to Takacs as well, who else?
>>124102806
Do you expect the roots and fundamentals of music to be advanced...?
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>>124102866
try Artemis
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>>124102783
Love that work. When Shostakovich turned his talents away from the dreary and repellent, he was capable of some really enjoyable music. That one, the piano quintet, some of his string quartets, orchestral stuff like the waltzes and jazz suites, and so on. All very catchy and instantly gratifying, and most of it holds up to closer scrutiny and repeat listens.
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>>124102866
>Do you expect the roots and fundamentals of music to be advanced...?
the pagan retards wouldnt have developed it further because they were too busy fucking little boys in the ass
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>>124102783
it lacks appeal to me (haven't even pressed play) because it contains the name shostakovich. maybe you've heard but i deleted him from my library recently, and i'm better off for it? suffice it to say shotakocvishc has next to no appeal when juxtaposed with a hot cup of tea infused with lemon juice poured from a thermos with mozart's steins gate playing on repeat.
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>>124102892
Incoherent babble.
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>>124102835
Something that isn't some random schizophrenic? You know, a book? Do you not read and get every bit of info from youtube?
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>>124102900
>Denies that greeks were pederasts
kek
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>>124102866
>who else?

Budapest and Borodin.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lYAXTYL50wDluHEgq98KCYc8y5KEprtCw

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mSQSKM5QZl24YqNXebhdNOjAmTVkAFz1M

There's a lot of good and valid options to be honest, but yes avoid Emerson.
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>>124102910
Reading the Bible is fastest way to rid yourself of fanaticism. You can argue over that on >>>/pol/, we discuss music and its roots here, none of which seem to be middle-eastern desert cultist.
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>>124102875
>>124102923
Thanks.
What would you criticize in Emerson's recordings?
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>>124102934
What specifically is wrong with it? Illustrate your point beyond saying it's bad because its bad. Or list a book that elaborates on your claim. You only have to provide one thing and you are incapable of doing so.
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>>124102944
In a word, sterile. Technical proficiency, but no heart, no soul, no blood. It doesn't sing, it doesn't breathe, it doesn't charm.

I mean if you like it after trying others then that's fine, whatever works for you, but as someone who also once liked the Emerson set before I really began exploring others and compared, once you start weighing it to other good ones the differences should be striking and immediately noticeable.
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>>124102945
>>124102934
>Falls silent
I am not even trying to argue against you, just asking for you to provide any backing for your claims beyond videos too schizophrenic for youtube to allow. A single book would be fine.
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>>124102934
>we discuss music and its roots here, none of which seem to be middle-eastern desert cultist.
What is Gregorian chant?
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Listening to the Budapest string quartet. Favorite No.?
>>124103033
I still have to explore to judge, so just curious.

>>124102945
The only book I can recommend related to this topic is Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus, if you're curious. Outside of that, Adam Green on KnowMoreNews has very good points against zionism and Christianity. I would much prefer to discuss music on /mu/ as to avoid my posts being deleted for off-topic as it already happened, thank you. >>>/pol/

>>124103064
I don't sit here all day, retard.
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>>124103148
>Listening to the Budapest string quartet. Favorite No.?

The whole cycle is first-rate, just listen to whichever you're in the mood for. I kinda feel like listening to the 15th, Op. 132, myself from that set right now.
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>>124102896
Uh huh...
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>>124102835
me when i drink turpentine to purge myself of the stomach worms planted by the jews
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>>124102470
I'll take it over when it got maybe 50 posts a day maybe half of which were that one faggot spamming the Beethoven fart video.
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Beginning to view Yoel Levi similarly to how I view Sinopoli. Putting aside their completely different conducting styles, while both are rather hit-and-miss in their recordings -- with the misses from Sinopoli generally owing to his eccentricity in interpretation causing him to miss the mark entirely, whereas with Levi it's more of a falling short, resulting in a performance that is boring, milquetoast, and unenjoyable -- no matter the outcome, even in their misses it is unmistakable they always have an inspired, deeply well-thought vision of the work and how it should be played; their recordings are always recognizably theirs, and you will always hear something in a new way, even if not compelling or appropriate. This of course means when their outcomes are hits, they are highly successful and unique, and almost always belong on a survey listing must-hear recordings for a work, where even if not among the best few, they secure their placing owing to a delightful, fresh, and rewarding approach you won't find anywhere else.

Just a random thought I had, as I'm listening to his recording of Sibelius' 2nd right now.
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>>124102892
what's your religion, anon?
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Philip Glass Symphony 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhIkc5gthI&list=PLF621EABA25F03CCA&ab_channel=Canyouhearme%3F
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>>124102835
>Literally 2 retarded pagan larpers
Is this really your smoking gun against Christianity dude?
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>>12409444
Finally the OP has returned and recognised anime's relationship to classical and has been blessed by four 4's
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let's try
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXTFAsu9l-I&list=OLAK5uy_ljiuBeVj9NZ1aINjK9FOuT6-X9gLKQI3k&index=1
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>>124103684
kek

amusing post + gif combo, thank you brother
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iK_Hlmx3ig
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>>124103706
Retard
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If that anon who was also looking for a softer performance of Bach's solo violin pieces is around, these seem to fit the bill, give it a try: >>124103697
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>>124103706
I'm not sure how I messed up linking to the OP though
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>>124103767
Bad omen. Tread carefully for the near future.
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>>124103792
I will
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>>124095821
>haydn's creation

Huh, I just discovered Karajan has three different recordings of it. First live with the VPO, then the BPO (the most well-known), and then the VPO live again.
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>>124103858
only the BPO one matters.
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>>124095821
Stop hating Karajan you insufferable cunt.
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Sibelius : The Swan of Tuonela - Karajan*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjyLWoJvtME&ab_channel=greatclassicrecords
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why would decca shelf a 2017 remaster without ever releasing it?
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>>124103942
idk I'm really liking it so far, especially the tenor Francisco Araiza and bass baritone Jose van Dam, but I'm not the best judge of the quality of vocalists as of yet so who knows. It is markedly slower though so maybe not your cup of tea, but hey who knows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIy5tp9oY7s&list=OLAK5uy_lHzUi_PpRQo8rGwZrbIt8UFeKYLHanL1Y&index=2
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I like the space between movements a lot. I feel like there's an unconscious sense in the audience that that they should either be applauding or booing or the music should keep going with no long pause. Instead they get neither(because it's considered gauche to applaud between movements or something) and you have this awkward unnatural silence. That's probably why so many people cough-it's their system rebelling against it-like how trying not to laugh can be the funniest thing in the world.
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Sibelius The 'Death of Melisande' - Salonen with added hiss at the end
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5A5BDTZj0I&ab_channel=adam28xx
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French is a terrible language for singing
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>>124102783
shostakovich was a terrible composer
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I don't think this is classical music but I'll slide it in while no one's looking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYbf9rWRoFs&ab_channel=Zesp%C3%B3%C5%82Pie%C5%9BniITa%C5%84ca%C5%9Al%C4%85sk-Topic
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>>124094872
That's not a problem when your instrument IS a solo instrument
t.classical guitar
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>>124104262
>>124104294
Your opinions are terrible and best kept to yourselves.
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>>124097244
> It is the reason as to why Nietzsche called Wagner a sickness that had infected and changed music for the better or worse

Sounds like a bad thing to me
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On tonight's Mahler Radio, we mirror an actual concert program as performed by the following recording's conductor, Daniele Gatti, as seen here:

https://bachtrack.com/review-gatti-philharmonia-rfh-mahler-5

where it opened with the Act I Prelude and Good Friday Music from Wagner's final music-drama Parsifal into Mahler's 5th. That actual performance was with the Philharmonia Orchestra, whereas the following are with the Concertgebouw for the Wagner and the Royal Philharmonia for the Mahler 5.

Wagner: Parsifal, WWV 111, Act 3: Prelude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIeEzD8YY18&list=OLAK5uy_klG-Xcpr7h7NoIxgk8mjYzqX_E_R0IUTg&index=2

Wagner: Parsifal, WWV 111, Act 3: Karfreitagszauber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_EPTeD95dE&list=OLAK5uy_klG-Xcpr7h7NoIxgk8mjYzqX_E_R0IUTg&index=2

start of Mahler: Symphony No. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yvf1GzHQaQ&list=OLAK5uy_mQmyEpAZYaM7fXmOdfP34ncnfUfigsB4U&index=1

Gatti has a reputation for Wagner, especially Parsifal which he has conducted to great acclaim at Bayreuth four years in a row. As for the main course of tonight's program:

>The Fifth makes exceptional demands on orchestra and conductor alike, and Gatti and the Royal Philharmonic rise handsomely to the occasion in this 1997 recording. The performance is an energetic one, even fierce in places (especially when it comes to tempo), but always under firm control. Gatti, the RPO's music director since 1996, clearly knows the score very well. He elicits an interesting pointing of rhythm from the band, clarifying Mahler's contrapuntal strands and ensuring that the symphony's gigantic climaxes never degenerate into a chaotic welter of sound. His is above all an expressive reading of the score, not merely a literal realization. One feels a presence behind the interpretation, and a definite sensitivity to Mahler's idiom and expressive aim. Owing to the venue, London's Henry Wood Hall, the sound is a bit bright in the loudest passages. --Ted Libbey

Enjoy!
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>>124104350
shostakovich is an occasionally profound yet continually weak composer with very weak skill at counterpoint that relied more on shock factor than musical substance.
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Brahms is better than Wagner because he's a better melodist. Simple as.
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>>124104379
Not even wrong, which is why his music which doesn't include and rely on any notions of 'shock factor' are his best works, and genuinely good, as outlined here: >>124102885
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>>124104451
tru

inb4 le brahms was too conservative therefore inferior meme
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>>124104379
>very weak skill at counterpoint
Ridiculous thing to say. His fugues are top tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPlTeQD7sfo
So are his symphonies and chamber music. Call it a "shock" factor if you will, but he is unique and very much enjoyable at the same time.
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>>124104377
Goddamn it anon I can't take any more Mahler!
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>>124104499
Fine, fine, last one I promise, my bad. Just had to share because I came across that article when deciding to listen to Gatti's recording and I thought those Wagner pieces as an opener to Mahler's 5th was a good pairing.
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>>124104499
>>124104515
Hopefully they take refunds on the 'Mahler Radio' copyright fee I paid for...
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now playing

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 4, Op. 29, FS 76, "The Inextinguishable"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlPy0PICrfg&list=OLAK5uy_kxTkA1yp6iSI6bu5lIHOUDM_uMGQ2YISw&index=2

start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 5, Op. 50, FS 97
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ysyrEX3jIc&list=OLAK5uy_kxTkA1yp6iSI6bu5lIHOUDM_uMGQ2YISw&index=5

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kxTkA1yp6iSI6bu5lIHOUDM_uMGQ2YISw
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Biber a Battalia 10(pretentious intro skipped)
https://youtu.be/a_hsKCQIMEs?t=85
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>>124104379
What do you mean by "shock factor" in counterpoint? Please enlighten me.
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>>124103992
stop liking karajan you easily impressed golem
>>124104078
there is really no reason to put up with it when the BPO recording has fritz wunderlich.
>>124104262
that’s mostly because the french operatic tradition no longer exists, it makes a lot more sense in that context
>>124104487
awful awful counterpoint, jesus christ shostakovich sucks cock
>>124105088
deliberate unresolved, poorly prepared, and poorly treated dissonances that, in any other context, would rightfully be seen as sloppy counterpoint
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>>124104934
I become more and more impressed with Sakari Oramo the more recordings of his I listen to. Prokofiev, Glazunov, Elgar, and more, and now this, I find his sensibilities and approach to the music often aligns very nearly with my own. I've never heard the Nielsen 4 sound this way before, it's a sensitive, singing, and vibrant reading, whereas most I've heard tend to be loud and noisy, coarse and conflicting, awkward and even cerebral, like they're emphasizing Nielsen the musical progressive and modernist over the beauty of the music and making it sound, y'know, good and enjoyable. Highly recommend this.
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>>124105133
What about the famous fugue which doesn't have dissonances?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe1vF0bgmb4
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>>124105183
That's excellent
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>>124105183
sounds bad. the point of counterpoint is the creation of prepared dissonances through passing tones, neighbor tones, suspensions, etc. shostakovich misses the point by filling his regular counterpoint with unprepared dissonances and then going out of his way to write an entire fugue with no dissonance, presumably to spite anyone who considers his poor handling of dissonance amateurish. a childish display by any measure.
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>>124104015
Too bad it's a Bluray rip so the gapless playback is completely fucked. Get a nice good old pop/click on each track transition. Fucking annoying.
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>>124105350
I thought the point of counterpoint was maintaining multiple independent yet mutually complementing musical lines.
What you listed are some compositional techniques which may or may not be used in service of that end. 1st species counterpoint doesn't involve any of that, for instance.
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>>124105689
well yes, by definition counterpoint is about multiple independent voices, but the purpose of rules surrounding consonance and prepared dissonance is to aid in the contrast between voices through creating prepared dissonance. and let’s be real for a second, pure first species counterpoint is rarely used outside of pedagogy, and shostakovich is certainly not writing in first species.
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Thoughts on Brahms' piano sonatas? Good or pale in comparison to his later solo piano music?
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>>124105791
not bad, but obviously written by a man who was terrified of the ghost of beethoven.
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>>124105812
Why was he afraid of Op. 70? Kidding. Well said.
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>>124105791
His third sonata is good, but it's also the work of a very young man and not truly reflective of what his later piano works would become. Stick with his piano pieces, especially the late ones. Those are Brahms' true statement in the piano repertoire.
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>>124105842
Op. 118 here we go! Maybe I'll give the third sonata another go before the night is done then, been a while but that's exactly why I can't remember how good it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzFOxE7jPM8&list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM&index=44
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A concerto FOR ORCHESTRA?
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>>124105773
Of course it's not a first species exercise, but the point is that imperfect consonances are sufficient to maintain independence of voices, and there's nothing inherently that sounds bad about contrapunctal writing with no prepared dissonances or passing tones, so I'd like to know what exactly sounds bad about that fugue.
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>>124105964
>imperfect consonances are sufficient to maintain independence of voices
a doubling at the 3rd or 6th is going to be heard as precisely that: a doubling. there’s a reason why counterpoint textbooks disallow parallel motion for more than 4 notes in a row.
>there's nothing inherently that sounds bad about contrapunctal writing with no prepared dissonances or passing tones
i already told you what’s bad about it, you just refuse to listen.
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>>124105956
>boulez's bartok
>on dg
yikes
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*mogs your favorite Brahms cycle*

pssh, nothing personnel, kid...
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>>124105994
I think they made the cover with clipart as well
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what composers would have taken the vaccine?
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>>124106065
>4d audio
lol, lmao, rofl even
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>>124105984
Are there any instances of parallel 3rds or 6ths for 4 or more tones in a row in that fugue?
I counted a maximum of 3 parallel 6ths towards the end. Most of the voice leading of the piece is made of suspensions, oblique, and contrary motion.
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>>124105623
i dont have gapless playback on my computer. there's something wrong with my audio pulseaudio. i did check on my phone though and you're right about the clicking. still, the orchestra and singers no longer sound lean.
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>>124106065
Its only faults are the 2nd, which is only pretty good but not excellent, and the dreadful Alto Rhapsody. As usual, Levine's conducting of choral music is too operatic, and here it's at its worst. Klemperer's suffers from a similar issue regarding the Alto Rhapsody.
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>>124106108
i’m not saying that excessive parallel motion is why it’s bad, i’m saying that only using imperfect consonances is not enough to sustain the independence of contrapuntal lines by using an obvious example where the independent voice leading is lost.
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>>124104015
probably because no amount of irrelevant microdetail will fix the absolutely fucked tone and timbre of the A/D converters that UMG uses for transfers now. every DG/decca/philips remaster from the last decade sounds like screechy dogshit.
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>>124105350
NTA anon and I'm not interested in whether it's theoretically correctly written or not but I have a hard time imagining anyone could listen to that piece and think it sounds bad
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>>124106161
best start believing, because it sounds bad to me.
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>>124106161
First day here?
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Since something similar was asked and mentioned above, favorite recording of Mozart's Requiem?
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>>124106138
You used an obvious abstract example from a textbook, but you have yet to show where Shostakovich loses independence of voices in the example we're talking about.
I'm perfectly open to hearing sound and clear criticism, Shostakovich is not one of my sacred cows by any stretch.
You could, for example, make the argument that 1st species counterpoint uses only 2 voices, whereas Shostakovich is writing for 3, and imperfect consonances exclusively are by some token not sufficient for 3 voices. But I don't know whether that's an argument you think is valid.
The voice leading sounds fine to me, it's not like he has random parallel 5ths everywhere.
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>>124106108
>>124106161
also, i really haven’t addressed the main reason that fugue sounds absolutely ridiculous: the voice leading is essentially created through nothing but leaps, creating the impression of syncopated arpeggios rather than actual melodic lines that one might be able to sing, which is at the heart of the origins of contrapuntal practice. traditional counterpoint pedagogy has specific rules regarding the balance of melodic contour; more specifically, leaps must be balanced by step in the opposite direction. this is obviously not the case in a “fugue” where the harmony is lazily created through predetermined arpeggiations on chords, as opposed to being formed through voice leading and the intervals between voices.
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>>124106153
i dont know about any of that but here are some samples
https://files.catbox.moe/b14lly.mp3 (2013 eloquence)
https://files.catbox.moe/2x4cf1.mp3 (2021 bluray)
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>>124106217
>You could, for example, make the argument that 1st species counterpoint uses only 2 voices
not true, by the way. all species counterpoint can theoretically be subject to an infinite number of voices so long as consonance and independence is maintained (though obviously this gets exponentially harder the more voices you add)
>whereas Shostakovich is writing for 3
frankly, he could be writing for 5 and i wouldn’t be able to tell the difference, given his “voice leading” just consists of leaps with no real melodic contour. at that point, why even pretend that you’re writing conterpoint?
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>>124106194
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>>124106219
Ok, speak of the devil.
Thanks for elaborating, the argument makes sense. There's very little movement by step, so it sounds somewhat unrooted and volatile.
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>>124106224
Having compared the two myself from my own collection, I don't hear too much of a significant difference insofar as micro detail is concerned when I loudness match the two. The 2021 has more perceived clarity IMO largely due to the greater loudness.
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>>124106224
last time i checked, the 1994 philips and 2013 eloquence issues sound pretty much identical. eloquence probably reissued the same transfers with very minor tweaks to the balances. no idea about the 2021 bluray, but i'd be shocked if it was any better.
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Hewitt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRG0QXNYX0&list=OLAK5uy_nX41nekdsi1nmsbvmKbunWaXJj0Jng-yY&index=1
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>>124106085
Brahms
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>>124106085
Schubert
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>>124106085
vagner
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>>124106294
The eloquence transfer is basically identical, yes. The most obvious change is that they shrunk it down from 14 CDs to 12 with more intelligent splitting.
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now playing (op. 11/4)

start of Hindemith: Sonata For Viola And Piano No. 4, Op. 11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwXNBCAqKh0&list=OLAK5uy_mhYzvIOYWBm3DXKM5gxaVP9dNhXoftpzk&index=15

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mhYzvIOYWBm3DXKM5gxaVP9dNhXoftpzk
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>>124106697
never knew kashkashian was signed to ECM.
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>>124106085
mozart might have but only because of the demanding circumstances he would have been in whereby a battle of his expenses and dreams stood at a crossroads of coercive compliance
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>>124106710
For a while over many releases it would appear. You're a fan of them?
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>>124106775
no, i’m just aware of her status among aspiring violists.
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>>124106788
Ah. Gonna try this one next, love these works for clarinet and probably among my favorite Brahms pieces. Never heard them with viola, should be a great listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKsFz04XCos&list=OLAK5uy_n-jpdV1m4yYZ66BW_F9nzhbHVXziZ5I3k&index=1
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>>124106775
Not to be confused with Kim Kardashian
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>>124107025
It's the new identity they gave her after she left Kanye.
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>>124094444
checked
I plan to make a movie adaptation of the magic flute
its my favorite of mozarts work
if you haven't listened to it, check it out.
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>>124107068
A pornographic movie?
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>>124107068
Bergman already did a perfect Magic Flute adaption, though.
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>>124101046
>>124100899
>>124100843
>>124100772

Very disappointed to hear these takes elevating literature over music. It's exactly the opposite.
Literature is directed at the mind, it's a semiotic game, the words and symbols have to be interpreted and can be re-interpreted over and over again for ever until it's nonsense.

Music resonates directly with the body and strikes at the soul.
Literature spawns viewpoints and divides opinions. It is Ego-oriented. Music weaves shared experiences and forges unity. It is Self-oriented.
Even on this general we are united by listening to the same pieces, but turn into bickering little bitches as soon as speech and posting becomes involved.

It was the Russian poet Tyutchev who had a line in one of his poems to the effect of: "A thought that is verbally expressed is already a lie". That's a pretty good summation of literature, and an argument for why we need music.
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>>124107099
Maybe he plans to make a musical version of The Magic Flute?
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>>124107190
>"A thought that is verbally expressed is already a lie"
Is that a lie?
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>>124107190
I prefer what James Joyce said, "Literature is the most spiritual of all the arts." Anyway if this were /lit/ I'd happily discuss this topic but since we're here I'll pass.
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>>124107205
It is a lie in some sense, it's just not clear in which way it differed from the precise noetic content of Tyutchev's mind when he originated it.

>>124107215
We can meet each other in the middle by acknowledging that poetry and song are close intersections of both media.
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>>124107236
Of course. "Poetry atrophies when it moves too far away from music," as Pound said.
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Unpopular opinion: Bernstein's Bruckner's 9th with Vienna > Giulini's famous recording with the same orchestra. And I quite like Giulini as a conductor, I just never really loved his 9th as much as others -- it's pretty good -- and I really like the Bernstein one.
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>>124107271
insanely retarded
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>>124107192
>>124107099
there are some good film versions. I hope to be among them, going to be animated. keep an eye out for it in the next few years
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I can't count whilst I play
I can clap it out and speak it but when it comes to playing and blowing the recorder it's too difficult
Is it ok if I play the 8th note as a note that's off the beat by half rather than playing it at the + of the 2?
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>>124105773
Someone been smoking the Fux crack
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>>124108890
yeah, smoking the crack that every major composer since haydn smoked
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You don't need a theorbo, guitar, violone, viola da gamba, bassoon and harpsichord for basso continuo
In fact it makes it sound uglier the more instruments there are in basso continuo
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>>124109010
No mans the Fux crack is like the Palestrina crack, but laced with fentanyl
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>>124109090
yeah, and it's the same crack that haydn, mozart, and beethoven all smoked. what about it?
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>>124109050
You do need the kitchen sink for BC
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Man is there any non-jewish place to discuss this music
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What are some good Christian conductors and performers? Not gonna listen to a secularist performing a mass
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Music is the only art that can be autarkic in its expression without being shit.
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>1 hour 33 mins without a post
Dead general

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBj3FGg4qc
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>>124111398
Bach sucks
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>>124106085
Maurice Ravel
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3560563/
>In 2005 Baeck [37] hypothesized that Ravel’s illness might be Pick’s complex, which includes fronto-temporal dementia, primary progressive aphasia and corticobasal degeneration, a hypothesis also considered by Cardoso [38]. For a complete understanding of Ravel’ final illness, one should not, however, forget the frequent ups and downs of his last years. Tiredness, cerebral anemia, amnesia symptoms in 1927, and, on the other hand, the improvements in his health which allowed him to compose his final masterpieces and to take the trip to Morocco and Spain, and the final decline around 1936, when his behavior was apathetic and he had a frightened blank expression, giving the impression of being at risk of disintegration (Baeck) [31].
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>>124110360
Wagner-chan.com
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>>124111437
You're mom sucks
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>>124111495
Fuck you i got excited thinking it was a real site for a sec
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>>124111510
Okay reddit.
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>>124111524
Kek, it should be.
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>>124106065
>anon take a seat...
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>>124106594
wagner would have been an antivaxx /pol/tard
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>>124111527
You're mom is reddit
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Schoenberg

https://youtu.be/OGtE_JA-QvQ
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Best recordings of Liszt's Christian music he composed later in his life?
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>>124111592
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>>124111592
>sisterjanny doesnt like jews
>loves schoenberg
What is his mind like?
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>>124111592
this is gods Music........Schönberg was not an Atheist........no great Music has ever been composed by an Atheist.........Facts and love from vienna Austria.......where it all began,.Haydn,. Mozart,. Beethoven,.schubert,.etc....
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>>124111578
Nice English saar
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>>124111623
lol
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>>124111469
france, as everyone knows, is a police state which would have required ravel to either acquiesce or quit his profession. for example, its crinimal justice reform bill legalized warrantless searches in 2021. no, it wouldn't have been for a lack of health but rather a lack of means to resist while continuing to do the thing he enjoyed doing the most.
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>>124111646
That's the joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSEu1aIH6Ms
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>>124111772
>>124111772
>>124111772
Migrate.
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>>124111623
This but unironically



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