Mozart EditionThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious:>>124076285
What's your favorite Mozart mass? And recording of it.
>Mozart Editionnow playingstart of Mozart: Piano Concerto No. 27 in B-Flat Major, K. 595https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em8-vfivUUs&list=OLAK5uy_lgkAz62FcMvNEZK2ErKXg6an0oKYsd_co&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lgkAz62FcMvNEZK2ErKXg6an0oKYsd_coJust from looking at the cover, is that Gilels' daughter performing with him on the recording? Looks like a 'bring-your-daughter-to-workday' type of picture.
>>124094505that one i torrented by Leopold Mozarti liked that onei forget its name but i remember it being really catchy
>>124094562I think it's the one with singing in it.
How do musicians whether they be amateurs or professionals cope when their instrument has very little solo material written for it?
now playingBusoni: Fantasia Contrappuntisticahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-vVRyrxvbY&list=OLAK5uy_mj_Vtp8-VSqoE1dCfjkB8Rmwjr88HJqoE&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mj_Vtp8-VSqoE1dCfjkB8Rmwjr88HJqoEgood night
>>124094872they play arrangements of (insert bach solo violin/cello piece) for their instrument, or they play contemporary music, of which there is no short supply of solo music for strange instruments.
>>124094581no it was a piano concerto..not a choralebah dunna dunna dun...da dun...PROCTOR!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI1LRBDvSFs
>Critics are not unanimous in praising the concerto, which was completed in 1904. Alfred Brendel, both a performer and a critic, called it "monstrously overwritten." But in the New Yorker, January 9, 2012, Alex Ross (The Rest Is Noise) writes of it that it is "a gaudy, unapologetically over-the-top piece, stuffed with references to nineteenth century Romantic styles ... Yet it is also a remarkable feat of controlled chaos. From an almost random heap of materials, Busoni fashions a solid, symmetrical structure, with a large slow movement at the center, two bustling scherzos on either side, and solemn-toned utterances as bookends ... there is something magnificently unserious about the work. Its excesses--the piling on of disparate elements, the climaxes upon climaxes, the accelerations of accelerations--are surely deliberate. You suspect that Busoni is mocking the bravura Romantic concerto as it emerged in the later nineteenth century, and, more widely, satirizing the gargantuan, post-Wagnerian apparatus of the music of his day."So is satirical music supposed to still sound good while simultaneously mocking the elements it employs, or it's meant to sound bad and you're supposed to enjoy it on a knowing, ironic level? Just seems like a more confusing thing in music, where the content and form are one-and-the-same, compared to satirical works in other art forms.
>>124095011seems like delusional cope to me, busoni was not mahler or shostakovich. parody and satire is not an element present in any of his other music.
>>124095043Like I said, confusing and murky!Also now I'm imagining someday letters discovered written by Mahler which say, to appropriate the famous Shostakovich quote, regarding the 5th's Adagietto: "a love song for idiots" and the whirlwind that'd cause.
>>124095107not really confusing when the busoni piano concerto is obviously not satire. the author just badly wishes that it was.
>>124095158sounds like robert levin LARPing as mozart as usual
What's the actual list of un-challengables? (If Chopin's not one of your picks, I'll assume you're trolling btw)
wtf i like Gardiner now (and Anne Sofie von Otter)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXOiGb1Hm6E&list=OLAK5uy_niKLHCx3UnEh5l9i_GbM21XX82BmrEhEU&index=3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crVmCG8i9Bk&list=OLAK5uy_niKLHCx3UnEh5l9i_GbM21XX82BmrEhEU&index=5
>>124095187Like works anyone and everyone should love and consider a masterpiece? Chopin comes close but I wouldn't put him on that list.
>>124095202he’s not a bad musicologist, he just likes to LARP as mozart. >>124095187great question chopincel
>>124095215I was thinking of composers rather than works.
>>124095346Then it's just the big three, + maybe Haydn. Everyone else I can see a valid reason for disliking them, as much as I'd vehemently disagree on some.
>>124095356Oh, come on! You're saying Bach is that clearly above Chopin?
>>124095373In terms of I'd be more baffled if someone didn't like ANY Bach than if they didn't like any Chopin? Yes. Again this has nothing to do with which I personally prefer, only which is more 'un-challengeable.'
>>124095373the chopincel delusion is really off the charts today
Anton Bruckner - Symphony No.8 in C minor (1890 Version)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSTEI8I1-VE
>>124094505317 - Jochum337 - Kegel427 - Karajan (yes, go f-ck yourself)
>>124095497way to do the C minor dirty
>>124095497Nice!
>>124095508Barbara Hendricks is amazing
>>124095544too bad it's a piece for choir, orchestra, and 4 soloists, not just soprano.
Some early Mozart to cheer up your dayhttps://youtu.be/lMLQizyYPHM?si=INTkp9mN0lfkoWi1
What would be the best choice for a non-h.i.p. recording of Mozart's C minor mass? Fricsay, Leppard, Levine...?
>>124095702Karajan, Fricsay, Abbado, LevineAll quite different, but I really enjoy them all, probably in that order.
>>124095702fricsay>>124095728please stop
>>124095731You're right, Levine's is too operatic. Disregard that one then.
>>124095187I don't think there should be un-challengables, the fact that there is an idea that there SHOULD be (Bach, Mozart, Beethoven) is a result of Germanic imperialism. And anyone over-praising any of these composers have fallen prey into that cultural subversion. They don't listen to music out of pleasure of music itself, but irrelevant things around it (obsessively excess theory, ad populum, etc.)They have forgotten what's it like to truly enjoy listening to what YOU personally like.Objectivity in art exists only within a certain context. When it comes to classical composers, you can't compare most of the 'big' ones by any objective measurable criteria. Chopin or Bach or Ravel have all equal grounds to stand on.
>>124095783you forgot to disregard karajan in pretty much every major choral work save haydn's creation and bruckner's te deum
Does anybody know which recording of K.427 was used in Bresson's "A Man Escaped"?
no fucking gook toons
>>124095373Chopin is basically a Bach transcriber for modern pianos with sustain pedals.Tonally speaking there is nothing in Chopin which is not in Bach. His innovations were rhythmic and technical, not harmonic. I say this as someone who ranks Chopin very highly.I just think all the best post-Bach composers are Bach transcribers for more modern instruments and techniques.
>>124096459>Tonally speaking there is nothing in Chopin which is not in Bach.Extended chromaticism(chromatic passing tones, non-functional harmony), modal mixture, altered chords (neapolitan), dissonances used for color rather than tension resolution purposes, innovative use of modulation - all these set Chopin apart from (and in some ways, above) Bach.
I like singing with my community choir but sometimes I feel like they waste everyone's time. Most of them are older people (65+) who can't even read music. Some of them seem to be there because the retirement home gets boring on Monday nights lol.
>>124096617Nothing Bach ever wrote comes close to Ballade in F minor Op. 52, don't flatter yourself, bachfiend.>>muh chromaticismMuh copium? There are vast amount of differences, ones I listed are tip of the iceberg. Bach's chromaticism differs from the romantic era chromaticism, passing tones and non-functional harmony. If Chopin was Bach, then Baroque era is no different from Romantic
I wonder if a hospital or nursing home would pay me to play piano there
>>124095818Applying relativism to music comes either from an ideological feeling that all should be equal, a deeply sickening idea that any form of artistic production is good within itself and that there is no standard to judge art, or from the realization that judging music comes to a dead-end; that it may not be objectively judged, and thus that such a debate, that is, comparing two different levels of art or artists, would be an impossible, superfluous one, given the fact that one could always retreat in his subjective appreciation of the given artist you are criticizing.Of course, any discussion about music implies some kind of discussion ethics, if I may use the term: both speakers accept, upon entering a discussion, a certain set of rules, if this term could be applied --- this set of rules implies that the discussion will be rational.If such a discussion were to happen, one could easily point out that Mozart's musical form is more complicated than that of, say, all of popular music. Two rational persons will have to agree on this. Someone disagreeing is not considered rational anymore, or is simply too uneducated to sustain the discussion. Thus the discussion ends. But if both agree, then we may start comparing every single aspect of Mozart's music to that of popular music, coming to the conclusion that everything about Mozart is more complex. Yet -- complexity does not mean the music is better, it only means it is better within this given aspect. As the discussion goes on, the person defending Art music will be able to quote and use the whole canon, hereby proving the artistic - not emotional or anything like that - superiority of Art music. In an objective way.Only someone afraid of participating in such a debate would indulge in using relativistic arguments or refusing to discuss, on grounds of subjectivity.
Wagner.
>>124097172>Mozart
W.https://youtu.be/hX8aYU3-CRc?si=V7qjNzf7XzifPF_H
>>124095620fuck engineeringhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LUO-O7QMSM
W.https://youtu.be/CoSLD1sCyfc?si=n-Kai1Mq97Aw8kRo
>>124097172>Mozart's musical form is more complicated than that of, say, all of popular musicwriting notes on sheet music offers more flexibility than plugging in daw bars...both are tedious tasks...if you could just play your piano and have alexa/siri record you...alexa record me starting now...alexa import my recording into my DAW...alexa Melodyne my song...that's good alexa while you're at it...suck my dick ahhhhhhhhhhhh that's good artificial intelligence
https://youtu.be/cVncQFQIul8?t=73This part here is the reason why Wagner surpasses every musical composer in existence. It is the reason as to why Nietzsche called Wagner a sickness that had infected and changed music for the better or worse. Exactly at 1:10 I started unconsciously masturbating till the end as I delved into the madness of Alberich (one who sacrificed love for power). This is a power leitmotif, power that only comes when you sacrificed your soul to the devil. Imagine my surprise when it was Wagner who created leitmotifs in the first place itself.Truly the greatest composer that ever graced our shithole of an earth. We as humans should start conducting pilgrimages in the name of Wagner. There should be a church specifically dedicated to Wagner and Wagnerian religion.
>>124095620i personally dislike south koreans. they engage in death and sex cult rituals which go against the very fiber of my being. no, i don't differentiate between koreans. minutia like that leads to indecision and the inevitable spreading of a doctrine most distasteful and unkind. i have also deleted all of my korean films (north koreans are awful people too) for these reasons.
>>124097407if that's the case, it must be unfortunate for you to read the following: the world is going to war with north korea in 2033. i don't want it to happen, but its people are going to be herded into a manipulative force through the use of biometric tracking technologies whose ranges of compliance mechanisms is vast.>>124097415principles often get in the way of an otherwise enjoyable performance. however, it is that standard that makes me better than you.
>>124097244Will there ever be another human like Wagner?
>>124096565The idea that these phenomena weren't present in Baroque music betrays a weak familiarity with the period.>Extended chromaticismChromatic Fantasia>Modal MixturePrelude in C Major from WTC 1>NeapolitanSt Matthew's Passion, 19>Innovative use of ModulationBach's use of modulation goes beyond modulation; allow Gould to demonstratehttps://youtu.be/rRGwALS968c?si=GNZ0Fndy1YzDa9mo&t=140>Dissonances used for color rather than tension resolution purposesThere's hardly a composer with a more adventurous exploration of dissonances than Bach until the 20th cent.Just look at the bitter, acerbic use of the minor seconds in the A minor fugue from WTC 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s2CV257RTI
Ockeghem was claimed by Webern, along with his younger Flemish contemporary Obrecht, as a source of profound inspiration.https://youtu.be/aUX0Y5s15MI?si=9fVrb-_y235dQTnw
>>124096956>Nothing Bach ever wrote comes close to Ballade in F minor Op. 52The fugue in E flat major from the German Organ MassHere's 3 different arrangementsOrganhttps://youtu.be/jr_jK-fzglM?si=aZ7iSeSiLXS7DiZp&t=599The Schoenberg arr. for orchestrahttps://youtu.be/32JjEib8drM?si=Kcea7c5Byw5o_yqg&t=520The Busoni transcription for pianohttps://youtu.be/BCnT1tLautc?si=0Ne0XGDtV8XJiUhd&t=574The Ballade, while certainly a masterpiece with moments of overwhelming emotional power, simply does not share the same level of musical coherence and consistency from beginning to end. IMO, it relies on radical, somewhat jarring tempo changes (the 2nd theme intro, the slow chords before the coda) and relatively drier, more inert sections where new material has to be slowly built up and developed before it is combined with previous material, during which the listener's engagement with the music is weakened (at least if one is not already familiar with the piece).Unlike the Bach fugue, which is transcendent the whole way through, and in which new themes are introduced and immediately absorbed into the musical line without losing momentum. This is the best recording of the Ballade I've heard, for referencehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5B9_4FX0AI've played the Busoni transcription of the Bach for piano myself, and have started working on the 4th Ballade (I've stumbled through it though I can really only play the Intro and the first A section).
>>124097689>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5B9_4FX0Atoo slow...>piano rollnevermindi like these renditions btwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87eto5LRSgQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-KYmOtQvhAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeBnpqcsJRU
>>124097464>principles often get in the way of an otherwise enjoyable performance. however, it is that standard that makes me better than you.Stereotyping and dehumanizing those that are a political enemy is not a virtue, it makes you a useful idiot.
>>124097782Feinberg's recordings have generally not moved me yet (neither this one, nor his WTC)I prefer faster tempos for this Ballade.I already like the 3rd one (but I can't tell who's playing). Some great voicing and rhythmic coloration.
>>124097876that's josef hofmann
>>124097868deciding between morality and doing what's necessary is challenging to say the least and, as was already stated, often leads to indecision and the spreading of, in this case, a tracking ring. besides, the recording you shared was nothing special. i bet your intention behind posting it was to bait a reaction similar in regard to my sentiments.
>>124097949>deciding between morality and doing what's necessary is challenging to say the least and, as was already stated, often leads to indecision and the spreading of, in this case, a tracking ring. There is no morality in your actions, it is ill-defined and politically motivated.>besides, the recording you shared was nothing special. i bet your intention behind posting it was to bait a reaction similar in regard to my sentiments.It was not, that is a schizophrenic idea. Most are not obsessed with race enough to think that posting a recording of a classical piece will make someone shit their pants. I like the engineer of this recording's work on other recordings. And the sound here is splendid, my main question was what people thought of the performance, simple as.
After I listened to all of Beethoven's symphonies im ready to move to the Romantic period. Who shoukd I listen to?
>>124097984my ideals are ethically sound, for what better use of my consciousness is there then putting to it the task of saving the human race? i've had ample opportunity to measure your worth from responses you've given to other anons. for example, you neglect that the world isn't superficial but rather engrossed in complexities.
>>124098071schumann, brahms, chopin, etc
>>124098071Start with Chopin's Ballades, Nocturnes, Rachmaninoff's Concertos (esp No.2), Brahm's symphonies (esp No.4), Mendelssohn Violin Concerto and Scumann's Violin Sonatas.
does mozart's piano sonata 11 have an unofficial title name?
>>124098247The steins gate songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPQgu3W1Ud4
>>124098071Schubert, obviously.
>>124098071Schumann, Schubert, Mendelssohn
>>124098071>>124098283+Glinka
>>124098107You are not sacing anyone with your posts, let alone the human race. You seem to be having delusions of grandeur. Keep in mind you are still shitposting in a general made up of internet autists, mostly NEETS or people bored at work. In the grand scheme of things, your posts accomplish nothing.Your best bet is to take this site not as seriously.
>>124098309>nihilist perspective
Behead all animeposters
>>124098459I am far from a nihilist. But there is no perspective where talking to autists about classical music on an imageboard originally intended for weeb recluses has any ability to save the world. If you want to do that, get off here and go out into the real world. You're only wasting time here.
>>124098489Maybe just go to a website that isnt themed around japan if you dont like anime, man.
>>124098071Just listen to Wagner.
>>124098514don't you understand? these ideals embody my person where ever i go. they can't be separated even if i dedicated the good part of a week, no, a month to it. and that principled approach is what makes me better than you.piano concerto no. 8
>On Feb. 22, 1951, Charles Ives’s Second Symphony premiered in New York — some 50 years after the piece was completed. Long shunned by the musical establishment, his scores deemed too complex, Ives was finally getting the recognition he deserved. Though he was too frail to attend the performance, he heard the concert later, when it was broadcast to the nation via radio.>Ives didn’t own a radio, so he and his wife went to their next-door neighbors’ home in West Redding, Conn. He ensconced himself in the front room and listened in silence. The work’s final movement, a frenetic jamboree weaving together strains of popular American tunes, culminates in an irreverent final chord, a sort of musical raspberry. After it sounded over the airwaves and the audience began to applaud, Ives got up, walked to the fireplace, spat, then entered the kitchen without saying a word.That conductor's name? Leonard Bernstein.
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPahCPYeaz0
>>124098575Better than me you are definitely not. But you are free to think so. I don't think any poster in this general is better than any other. It's good to have a decent self image, but too high an ego is going to lead to embarrassment. Anyways let's talk about music:One of my biggest gripes is when a recording I like is only available in collections that don't do them respect. The Altenburger recordings of the violin concertos by Bach are very nice, but I can only find them in this state on youtube.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YHhW0Gu4GYGranted, it's mainly due to how excellent the instrument separation is on this recording, even if the performance is nothing to write home about. But I do believe it deserves better than this. That is the case a lot of the time I look for lesser known recordings that people I like worked on.
>>124096565>>124096956chopincels are literally fucking musically illiterate holy shit
>>124098670i’d be fucking seething too if i had a major piece of music sitting around for half a century only for a gay pedophile to take a fat shit all over it
>>124098670they can't keep getting away with it>>124098780i have analyzed so much of your past that i can now definitevly state that you prefer faster performances over an appropriately timed performance. also that 1041 is too bright https://files.catbox.moe/cu0x5o.mp3
>>124099541>i have analyzed so much of your past that i can now definitevly state that you prefer faster performances over an appropriately timed performance.I like a balance and I like the tempo that works best with a piece. Karl Böhm isn't my favorite conductor because he is lightning fast in his performance, he is quite the opposite usually.
>>124099541Is this recording any good? I quite like Szeryng's Bach but he really had to pair up with Marriner?
>>124099597yours was with helmut winschermann not bohm who has the most perfect tempos in the entire classical genre. mine is with shitty marriner and a jewish violinist who i've grown accustomed to and, dare i say it, tolerate over his time with haebler.>>124099764i think he paired up with whoever was willing to take him. i remember reading that he had a difficult personality to work with but maybe that's head cannon. the sound is pretty good. can't speak to the performance, however.
now playingstart of Elgar: Symphony No. 2 in E-Flat Major, Op. 63https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzsVMxqp_l8&list=OLAK5uy_kmsd7w3kTB6goYoarT4RSQ7gsm1WF0-rI&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kmsd7w3kTB6goYoarT4RSQ7gsm1WF0-rI
>>124099804>yours was with helmut winschermann You're misunderstanding how I tend to look for recordings sometimes. I have a high tendency to prioritize the clarity of sound in a recording and sometimes look for recordings based on the engineers who worked on it. Winschermann isn't a favorite conductor, but I do like the sound on a lot of his recordings.
i really just listen to old Folk Music at this point, most classical composers were involved in Luciferian cults, most of them were embedding manipulative frequencies, and spells in to their works. If you think classical music is wholly beneficial, it’s time to reconsider, because those same techniques are definitely still being used in today’s pop music.basically what i am saying is that you are casting spells and curses on yourself by listening to this shit, that goes for most music.
>>124100029not /classical/, maybe try >>>/x/ instead
what was the last classical piece?
>>124100029Guys, help, I'm hooked on reading schizo-posting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfEjiWdEEJwBach played traditionally is so awesome. Wish there were more performances like this and less HIP
>>124100178https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFCpuAWY7m8yeah
>>124100003i have had the displeasure of being gaslit on several occasions from my government, my family and even my ex-girlfriend. it should come as no surprise then that your attempts at clouding my judgement are futile. the context was concerned with bwv 1041 to which you had stated, "Karl Böhm isn't my favorite conductor because he is lightning fast in his performance, he is quite the opposite usually." this sentence confused me greatly. is anon trying to suggest that bohm was present in the previous bwv 1041 he had linked? i put it to you that that is exactly what you meant and now you're covering your tracks to hide from shame.
>>124100003I hope you're now aware of the type of mind you are attempting to engage with: >>124100225
>>124100225>is anon trying to suggest that bohm was present in the previous bwv 1041 he had linked?....no?
Guys, can you recommend me atmospheric and meditative classical choral music in the vein of this?:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0qaO6wIstU
>>124100369https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=Zbj6GFkQ4r7jXAlN
>>124100369Most Byrd and Tallis sound that way to me. Perhaps slightly less atmospheric.
>Franck's String Quartet, his last major work, was similarly acclaimed by it's first listeners. After it's first performance in April 1890, with tears in his eyes, Cesar Franck is said to have told his pupil Vincent d'Indy, "Now you see: at long last the public is beginning to understand me.":3Good for Franck.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHvUo3tJQqw&list=OLAK5uy_kicSQVswLEa-lBfJ9pv8Mw3_Mdlgo5tvI&index=1
>>124100029And yet here you are, curious.jpg
>>124100385Thanks, I'll try.
>>124100619Tallis:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkL1hdL40i0&list=OLAK5uy_mpzpguwiECYhQjXY3KmJR_upLSI8ySeaE&index=1Byrd:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAp-5K1SGcs&list=OLAK5uy_mpDv3mVT3aIDV7h-RT-tL3TycDb4Ks4ww&index=1both link to a playlist for the respective recording
>>124100029my local church father told me that music in general should be listened to with caution, for its ability to embolden and fantasize people away from their domains ends up leading them astray from who they are and who they are meant to be like. it's basically a tool to ensnare listeners into acting upon vices to constrict their own heart nous.
>>124100678He's a Platonist, report him to the proper authorities immediately. You have been warned.
>>124100678why are you going to the church in current year unless you're an unmedicated schizophrenic
>>124100678That's really interesting, I've noticed something similar in myself. There's something demonic about music, something that overtakes one's person that isn't present in, say, literature.
>>124100453Didn't Frank start composing later in life too? or am I misremembering that? It must've been very cathartic in any case.
>>124100772Both have similar effects on a person's soul, the difference is music is immediate and ephemeral, literature is spiritual and permanent. The right music can rouse a man's soul for a day, the right literature can rouse a man's soul for a lifetime.
>>124100843The effect of music on the soul is not comparable to the effect of literature on the soul. Its effect is an intoxicating vice like drinking or gambling, whereas some literature can drive a person to contemplation and thus to God.
you'd think such low quality bait would be easy to ignore, but i guess not.
Glad these threads are doing better. It was pretty grim this time last year.
>>124100899Except you can easily flip that around. Say, Bruckner's 9th or Bach's Mass in B minor vs. Nietzsche.
>>124100971That is an interesting point, anon. But nonetheless, even works composed with God in mind cause a kind of demonic agitation in someone who's receptive. While the works of Nietzsche can and will remove someone of wavering faith from God, they do not cause a comparable motoric elation in the same way that music does. But I will concede that it's not as obvious with spiritual works. And perhaps there's an exception to be made there. God knows.
>>124100678Your local church father should commit suicide>>124100772>>124100843>>124100899>>124100971>>124101046thanks for off-topic, religious fanatic cretins
>>124101084I pray that some day, God will reveal himself to you and that you will find serenity on that day.
Heard the postman humming Schoenberg this morning
>>124101134When the jewish god reveals himself to me, I will personally fart into his mouth and piss on his head whilst playing Scriabinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvz39UIADLE
I am lost in the dream of a madman, pacing the warped hallways of the Palace of Black Gnosis... the screams of a schizophrenic greet me in the hall and a black mass is being conducted in the chapel where people are committing adultery... this is just what happens when you hear the Chord of the Pleroma...Yess... hehehe wild things happen with a raised fourth and a flat seventh all in one chord... the human ear wasn't quite meant to hear such fucked up supernatural things eh? life is a kind of psychedelic pain out here at the fin de siècle... we out here with neurasthenia and synesthesia... smelling salts and infected pimples... do you think you're k-k-krazy enough to handle it?? Things are getting pretty Mysteriovs out here so I wouldn't blame you if you tapped out...Whoa... did you catch the name of that one? Prometheus baby... this is a Poeme de feu!! looks like we're goin for a second round with the gods yeah... we out in Tibet and there's like monks and art scrolls and Buddhism here and we gonna wake up that ancient Aryan wisdom... do you feel your vril rising up bro? YOu'll be seeing ultraviolet light bro!! HYPERBOREANS used to listen to this scale bro!! DO YOU FEEL IT BRO?? Btw could i interest you in the works of Richard Wagner they're very influential to me
>>124101258thanks scriabincel
>>124100968How so?
>>124101687He enjoys following along with my Mahler obsession.
So aside from these guys >>124095201 and Strauss' Four Orchestral Songs, any other orchestral lieder?
>It's said that Korngold was crushed by a reviewer who said that his music needed less corn and more gold.lol?
>>124100074Ornstein's 8th Piano Sonata (composed 1990)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=393c0SxhXT8He was born in 1895 and studied composition with Glazunov back in Imperial Russia.
>>124100718>fedoratipping on a general built on Christian music retard
now playing, here's three of the six pieces included on the recordingBarber: Overture to "The School for Scandal", Op. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MwIzhtEQw&list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA&index=2Barber: Knoxville: Summer of 1915, Op. 24https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYTZRjom8bM&list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA&index=3Barber: Second Essay for Orchestra, Op. 17https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChVWJgW-kSg&list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA&index=4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nEmcgQGPNbGg8XSYj5ERUzjGelFX4j0WA
>>124102025Christian music has its own board, >>>/cm/
>>124102283thats the catholic board
>>124102354>The roots of all music lie in ancient babylonian and ancient greek practiceskek, embarassing retard
>>124102403Illiterate christcuck moment
>>124102195That first one, the overture, is stellar.
>>124102354>>124102416Dilate
>>124102426Cope&seethe
>>124102443so true fedorasister
>>124102354>Your jewish cult religionWhy are jews bad if it is not their subversion of Christian society? explain.
>>124100968These threads are just getting progressively worse.
it appears the wignat bagan sister has returned
>>124102457Thank you desert cultist sister.>>124102468Incoherent question.
So what Bartok solo piano music is worth listening to? Or at least, what's the best stuff?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__mcRwhUlY0&list=OLAK5uy_laf-rwEiv4yw_eKvUThDXv68MqcpZkwrw&index=1
>>124102511>Incoherent question.its quite simple to understand, actually, but ill simplify it more: Why do you think jews are bad?
>>124102519most of it, try pic related
>>124102598ty, added!
Hot damn, why has no one mentioned this work before, it's brilliant. Of all the works I've shared lately, please try this one:start of Zemlinsky: Die Seejungfrauhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJYaXa9Hiis&list=OLAK5uy_nB0IfAM4a5mmLcTU47MQXGmhqZhwXSCbU&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nB0IfAM4a5mmLcTU47MQXGmhqZhwXSCbU
>>124102579I did not say "jews are bad". But I dislike their religion and abrahamism, as well as zionists and international jewish bankers - which is off-topic on /mu/ so here's a Scriabin sonatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDTgj_69JKA
With the advent of the First World War, Debussy became ardently patriotic in his musical opinions. Writing to Stravinsky, he asked "How could we not have foreseen that these men were plotting the destruction of our art, just as they had planned the destruction of our country?"[144] In 1915 he complained that "since Rameau we have had no purely French tradition [...] We tolerated overblown orchestras, tortuous forms [...] we were about to give the seal of approval to even more suspect naturalizations when the sound of gunfire put a sudden stop to it all." Taruskin writes that some have seen this as a reference to the composers Gustav Mahler and Arnold Schoenberg, both born Jewish. In 1912 Debussy had remarked to his publisher of the opera Ariane et Barbe-bleue by the (also Jewish) composer Paul Dukas, "You're right, [it] is a masterpiece – but it's not a masterpiece of French music."
>>124102654>But I dislike their religion and abrahamism, as well as zionists and international jewish bankersSeems you mostly dislike things that are not at all present in Christianity. Maybe educate yourself beyond /pol/ graphs and you'd be a wiser person. Because if you dislike zionism you are right now an agent of it.
>>124102687>if you dislike Christianity you're aiding the interests and doing the bidding of ZionistsHoly shit. Anyway this is off-topic, please take your guys' discussion to >>>/pol/, >>>/lit/, or >>>/his/, please, and thank you, have a nice day.
>>124102354Trying to deny the church's involvement in the development of classical music is embarrassing to say the least.
>>124102687Another incoherent babble.Educate yourself on Christcuckery, Jewsus and how it has been used to subvert Europeans. And here's my last reply to you, Moshe, I'm enjoying Emerson's Beethoven string quartets at the moment.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRgtzQUY-YkhGbRTEQZ3-mBbQnSqm323v
>>124102718>>if you dislike Christianity you're aiding the interests and doing the bidding of ZionistsYes? Christianity is literally denying zionists of their chosen people's status. It is the most anti-zionist you could possibly be.
>>124102737How has it been used to subvert europeans, retard? Explain properly, or give a book that provides reasoning on this. Because you're just spouting retarded /pol/ talking points with 0 sense.Western society since weimar has basically been a constant jewish battle to subvert Christian society.
Can someone explain why this is so good?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3wmDrGUFeM
>>124102725The church would stay in the dirt if ancient Greek knowledge had been lost. Classical music would prosper and probably suprass the current classical music if Christianity didn't exist at all.
>>124102737listen to a better recording, emerson fucking sucks
>>124102653This is like Strauss meets Tchaikovsky or Scriabin. Gorgeously compelling, emotionally stirring, spiritually illuminating, and aesthetically interesting music.
>>124102787Greek theory fucking sucked though, plato's ideal would be every instrument playing the same note, which would suck ass.
@124098489Jakshitter crucifixion>>124098522"Anime".
>>124102783But it isn't.
>>124102765https://odysee.com/@KnowMoreNews:1/Owen-Benjamin-Sacred-Cows:4
>>124102790I've listened to Takacs as well, who else?>>124102806Do you expect the roots and fundamentals of music to be advanced...?
>>124102866try Artemis
>>124102783Love that work. When Shostakovich turned his talents away from the dreary and repellent, he was capable of some really enjoyable music. That one, the piano quintet, some of his string quartets, orchestral stuff like the waltzes and jazz suites, and so on. All very catchy and instantly gratifying, and most of it holds up to closer scrutiny and repeat listens.
>>124102866>Do you expect the roots and fundamentals of music to be advanced...?the pagan retards wouldnt have developed it further because they were too busy fucking little boys in the ass
>>124102783it lacks appeal to me (haven't even pressed play) because it contains the name shostakovich. maybe you've heard but i deleted him from my library recently, and i'm better off for it? suffice it to say shotakocvishc has next to no appeal when juxtaposed with a hot cup of tea infused with lemon juice poured from a thermos with mozart's steins gate playing on repeat.
>>124102892Incoherent babble.
>>124102835Something that isn't some random schizophrenic? You know, a book? Do you not read and get every bit of info from youtube?
>>124102900>Denies that greeks were pederastskek
>>124102866>who else?Budapest and Borodin.https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lYAXTYL50wDluHEgq98KCYc8y5KEprtCwhttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mSQSKM5QZl24YqNXebhdNOjAmTVkAFz1MThere's a lot of good and valid options to be honest, but yes avoid Emerson.
>>124102910Reading the Bible is fastest way to rid yourself of fanaticism. You can argue over that on >>>/pol/, we discuss music and its roots here, none of which seem to be middle-eastern desert cultist.
>>124102875>>124102923Thanks. What would you criticize in Emerson's recordings?
>>124102934What specifically is wrong with it? Illustrate your point beyond saying it's bad because its bad. Or list a book that elaborates on your claim. You only have to provide one thing and you are incapable of doing so.
>>124102944In a word, sterile. Technical proficiency, but no heart, no soul, no blood. It doesn't sing, it doesn't breathe, it doesn't charm.I mean if you like it after trying others then that's fine, whatever works for you, but as someone who also once liked the Emerson set before I really began exploring others and compared, once you start weighing it to other good ones the differences should be striking and immediately noticeable.
>>124102945>>124102934>Falls silentI am not even trying to argue against you, just asking for you to provide any backing for your claims beyond videos too schizophrenic for youtube to allow. A single book would be fine.
>>124102934>we discuss music and its roots here, none of which seem to be middle-eastern desert cultist.What is Gregorian chant?
Listening to the Budapest string quartet. Favorite No.?>>124103033I still have to explore to judge, so just curious.>>124102945The only book I can recommend related to this topic is Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus, if you're curious. Outside of that, Adam Green on KnowMoreNews has very good points against zionism and Christianity. I would much prefer to discuss music on /mu/ as to avoid my posts being deleted for off-topic as it already happened, thank you. >>>/pol/>>124103064I don't sit here all day, retard.
>>124103148>Listening to the Budapest string quartet. Favorite No.?The whole cycle is first-rate, just listen to whichever you're in the mood for. I kinda feel like listening to the 15th, Op. 132, myself from that set right now.
>>124102896Uh huh...
>>124102835me when i drink turpentine to purge myself of the stomach worms planted by the jews
>>124102470I'll take it over when it got maybe 50 posts a day maybe half of which were that one faggot spamming the Beethoven fart video.
Beginning to view Yoel Levi similarly to how I view Sinopoli. Putting aside their completely different conducting styles, while both are rather hit-and-miss in their recordings -- with the misses from Sinopoli generally owing to his eccentricity in interpretation causing him to miss the mark entirely, whereas with Levi it's more of a falling short, resulting in a performance that is boring, milquetoast, and unenjoyable -- no matter the outcome, even in their misses it is unmistakable they always have an inspired, deeply well-thought vision of the work and how it should be played; their recordings are always recognizably theirs, and you will always hear something in a new way, even if not compelling or appropriate. This of course means when their outcomes are hits, they are highly successful and unique, and almost always belong on a survey listing must-hear recordings for a work, where even if not among the best few, they secure their placing owing to a delightful, fresh, and rewarding approach you won't find anywhere else.Just a random thought I had, as I'm listening to his recording of Sibelius' 2nd right now.
>>124102892what's your religion, anon?
Philip Glass Symphony 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxhIkc5gthI&list=PLF621EABA25F03CCA&ab_channel=Canyouhearme%3F
>>124102835>Literally 2 retarded pagan larpersIs this really your smoking gun against Christianity dude?
>>12409444Finally the OP has returned and recognised anime's relationship to classical and has been blessed by four 4's
let's try <-----https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXTFAsu9l-I&list=OLAK5uy_ljiuBeVj9NZ1aINjK9FOuT6-X9gLKQI3k&index=1
>>124103684kekamusing post + gif combo, thank you brother
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iK_Hlmx3ig
>>124103706Retard
If that anon who was also looking for a softer performance of Bach's solo violin pieces is around, these seem to fit the bill, give it a try: >>124103697
>>124103706I'm not sure how I messed up linking to the OP though
>>124103767Bad omen. Tread carefully for the near future.
>>124103792I will
>>124095821>haydn's creationHuh, I just discovered Karajan has three different recordings of it. First live with the VPO, then the BPO (the most well-known), and then the VPO live again.
>>124103858only the BPO one matters.
>>124095821Stop hating Karajan you insufferable cunt.
Sibelius : The Swan of Tuonela - Karajan*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjyLWoJvtME&ab_channel=greatclassicrecords
why would decca shelf a 2017 remaster without ever releasing it?
>>124103942idk I'm really liking it so far, especially the tenor Francisco Araiza and bass baritone Jose van Dam, but I'm not the best judge of the quality of vocalists as of yet so who knows. It is markedly slower though so maybe not your cup of tea, but hey who knows:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIy5tp9oY7s&list=OLAK5uy_lHzUi_PpRQo8rGwZrbIt8UFeKYLHanL1Y&index=2
I like the space between movements a lot. I feel like there's an unconscious sense in the audience that that they should either be applauding or booing or the music should keep going with no long pause. Instead they get neither(because it's considered gauche to applaud between movements or something) and you have this awkward unnatural silence. That's probably why so many people cough-it's their system rebelling against it-like how trying not to laugh can be the funniest thing in the world.
Sibelius The 'Death of Melisande' - Salonen with added hiss at the end https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5A5BDTZj0I&ab_channel=adam28xx
French is a terrible language for singing
>>124102783shostakovich was a terrible composer
I don't think this is classical music but I'll slide it in while no one's looking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYbf9rWRoFs&ab_channel=Zesp%C3%B3%C5%82Pie%C5%9BniITa%C5%84ca%C5%9Al%C4%85sk-Topic
>>124094872That's not a problem when your instrument IS a solo instrumentt.classical guitar
>>124104262>>124104294Your opinions are terrible and best kept to yourselves.
>>124097244> It is the reason as to why Nietzsche called Wagner a sickness that had infected and changed music for the better or worse Sounds like a bad thing to me
On tonight's Mahler Radio, we mirror an actual concert program as performed by the following recording's conductor, Daniele Gatti, as seen here:https://bachtrack.com/review-gatti-philharmonia-rfh-mahler-5where it opened with the Act I Prelude and Good Friday Music from Wagner's final music-drama Parsifal into Mahler's 5th. That actual performance was with the Philharmonia Orchestra, whereas the following are with the Concertgebouw for the Wagner and the Royal Philharmonia for the Mahler 5.Wagner: Parsifal, WWV 111, Act 3: Preludehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIeEzD8YY18&list=OLAK5uy_klG-Xcpr7h7NoIxgk8mjYzqX_E_R0IUTg&index=2Wagner: Parsifal, WWV 111, Act 3: Karfreitagszauberhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_EPTeD95dE&list=OLAK5uy_klG-Xcpr7h7NoIxgk8mjYzqX_E_R0IUTg&index=2start of Mahler: Symphony No. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yvf1GzHQaQ&list=OLAK5uy_mQmyEpAZYaM7fXmOdfP34ncnfUfigsB4U&index=1Gatti has a reputation for Wagner, especially Parsifal which he has conducted to great acclaim at Bayreuth four years in a row. As for the main course of tonight's program:>The Fifth makes exceptional demands on orchestra and conductor alike, and Gatti and the Royal Philharmonic rise handsomely to the occasion in this 1997 recording. The performance is an energetic one, even fierce in places (especially when it comes to tempo), but always under firm control. Gatti, the RPO's music director since 1996, clearly knows the score very well. He elicits an interesting pointing of rhythm from the band, clarifying Mahler's contrapuntal strands and ensuring that the symphony's gigantic climaxes never degenerate into a chaotic welter of sound. His is above all an expressive reading of the score, not merely a literal realization. One feels a presence behind the interpretation, and a definite sensitivity to Mahler's idiom and expressive aim. Owing to the venue, London's Henry Wood Hall, the sound is a bit bright in the loudest passages. --Ted LibbeyEnjoy!
>>124104350shostakovich is an occasionally profound yet continually weak composer with very weak skill at counterpoint that relied more on shock factor than musical substance.
Brahms is better than Wagner because he's a better melodist. Simple as.
>>124104379Not even wrong, which is why his music which doesn't include and rely on any notions of 'shock factor' are his best works, and genuinely good, as outlined here: >>124102885
>>124104451truinb4 le brahms was too conservative therefore inferior meme
>>124104379>very weak skill at counterpointRidiculous thing to say. His fugues are top tierhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPlTeQD7sfoSo are his symphonies and chamber music. Call it a "shock" factor if you will, but he is unique and very much enjoyable at the same time.
>>124104377 Goddamn it anon I can't take any more Mahler!
>>124104499Fine, fine, last one I promise, my bad. Just had to share because I came across that article when deciding to listen to Gatti's recording and I thought those Wagner pieces as an opener to Mahler's 5th was a good pairing.
>>124104499>>124104515Hopefully they take refunds on the 'Mahler Radio' copyright fee I paid for...
now playingstart of Nielsen: Symphony No. 4, Op. 29, FS 76, "The Inextinguishable"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlPy0PICrfg&list=OLAK5uy_kxTkA1yp6iSI6bu5lIHOUDM_uMGQ2YISw&index=2start of Nielsen: Symphony No. 5, Op. 50, FS 97https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ysyrEX3jIc&list=OLAK5uy_kxTkA1yp6iSI6bu5lIHOUDM_uMGQ2YISw&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kxTkA1yp6iSI6bu5lIHOUDM_uMGQ2YISw
Biber a Battalia 10(pretentious intro skipped) https://youtu.be/a_hsKCQIMEs?t=85
>>124104379What do you mean by "shock factor" in counterpoint? Please enlighten me.
>>124103992stop liking karajan you easily impressed golem>>124104078there is really no reason to put up with it when the BPO recording has fritz wunderlich. >>124104262that’s mostly because the french operatic tradition no longer exists, it makes a lot more sense in that context>>124104487awful awful counterpoint, jesus christ shostakovich sucks cock>>124105088deliberate unresolved, poorly prepared, and poorly treated dissonances that, in any other context, would rightfully be seen as sloppy counterpoint
>>124104934I become more and more impressed with Sakari Oramo the more recordings of his I listen to. Prokofiev, Glazunov, Elgar, and more, and now this, I find his sensibilities and approach to the music often aligns very nearly with my own. I've never heard the Nielsen 4 sound this way before, it's a sensitive, singing, and vibrant reading, whereas most I've heard tend to be loud and noisy, coarse and conflicting, awkward and even cerebral, like they're emphasizing Nielsen the musical progressive and modernist over the beauty of the music and making it sound, y'know, good and enjoyable. Highly recommend this.
>>124105133What about the famous fugue which doesn't have dissonances?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe1vF0bgmb4
>>124105183That's excellent
>>124105183sounds bad. the point of counterpoint is the creation of prepared dissonances through passing tones, neighbor tones, suspensions, etc. shostakovich misses the point by filling his regular counterpoint with unprepared dissonances and then going out of his way to write an entire fugue with no dissonance, presumably to spite anyone who considers his poor handling of dissonance amateurish. a childish display by any measure.
>>124104015Too bad it's a Bluray rip so the gapless playback is completely fucked. Get a nice good old pop/click on each track transition. Fucking annoying.
>>124105350I thought the point of counterpoint was maintaining multiple independent yet mutually complementing musical lines.What you listed are some compositional techniques which may or may not be used in service of that end. 1st species counterpoint doesn't involve any of that, for instance.
>>124105689well yes, by definition counterpoint is about multiple independent voices, but the purpose of rules surrounding consonance and prepared dissonance is to aid in the contrast between voices through creating prepared dissonance. and let’s be real for a second, pure first species counterpoint is rarely used outside of pedagogy, and shostakovich is certainly not writing in first species.
Thoughts on Brahms' piano sonatas? Good or pale in comparison to his later solo piano music?
>>124105791not bad, but obviously written by a man who was terrified of the ghost of beethoven.
>>124105812Why was he afraid of Op. 70? Kidding. Well said.
>>124105791His third sonata is good, but it's also the work of a very young man and not truly reflective of what his later piano works would become. Stick with his piano pieces, especially the late ones. Those are Brahms' true statement in the piano repertoire.
>>124105842Op. 118 here we go! Maybe I'll give the third sonata another go before the night is done then, been a while but that's exactly why I can't remember how good it is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzFOxE7jPM8&list=OLAK5uy_lO8GqjavV-zFsyS90t8I9NBDLgcxPELiM&index=44
A concerto FOR ORCHESTRA?
>>124105773Of course it's not a first species exercise, but the point is that imperfect consonances are sufficient to maintain independence of voices, and there's nothing inherently that sounds bad about contrapunctal writing with no prepared dissonances or passing tones, so I'd like to know what exactly sounds bad about that fugue.
>>124105964>imperfect consonances are sufficient to maintain independence of voicesa doubling at the 3rd or 6th is going to be heard as precisely that: a doubling. there’s a reason why counterpoint textbooks disallow parallel motion for more than 4 notes in a row. >there's nothing inherently that sounds bad about contrapunctal writing with no prepared dissonances or passing tonesi already told you what’s bad about it, you just refuse to listen.
>>124105956>boulez's bartok>on dgyikes
*mogs your favorite Brahms cycle*pssh, nothing personnel, kid...
>>124105994I think they made the cover with clipart as well
what composers would have taken the vaccine?
>>124106065>4d audiolol, lmao, rofl even
>>124105984Are there any instances of parallel 3rds or 6ths for 4 or more tones in a row in that fugue?I counted a maximum of 3 parallel 6ths towards the end. Most of the voice leading of the piece is made of suspensions, oblique, and contrary motion.
>>124105623i dont have gapless playback on my computer. there's something wrong with my audio pulseaudio. i did check on my phone though and you're right about the clicking. still, the orchestra and singers no longer sound lean.
>>124106065Its only faults are the 2nd, which is only pretty good but not excellent, and the dreadful Alto Rhapsody. As usual, Levine's conducting of choral music is too operatic, and here it's at its worst. Klemperer's suffers from a similar issue regarding the Alto Rhapsody.
>>124106108i’m not saying that excessive parallel motion is why it’s bad, i’m saying that only using imperfect consonances is not enough to sustain the independence of contrapuntal lines by using an obvious example where the independent voice leading is lost.
>>124104015probably because no amount of irrelevant microdetail will fix the absolutely fucked tone and timbre of the A/D converters that UMG uses for transfers now. every DG/decca/philips remaster from the last decade sounds like screechy dogshit.
>>124105350NTA anon and I'm not interested in whether it's theoretically correctly written or not but I have a hard time imagining anyone could listen to that piece and think it sounds bad
>>124106161best start believing, because it sounds bad to me.
>>124106161First day here?
Since something similar was asked and mentioned above, favorite recording of Mozart's Requiem?
>>124106138You used an obvious abstract example from a textbook, but you have yet to show where Shostakovich loses independence of voices in the example we're talking about.I'm perfectly open to hearing sound and clear criticism, Shostakovich is not one of my sacred cows by any stretch.You could, for example, make the argument that 1st species counterpoint uses only 2 voices, whereas Shostakovich is writing for 3, and imperfect consonances exclusively are by some token not sufficient for 3 voices. But I don't know whether that's an argument you think is valid.The voice leading sounds fine to me, it's not like he has random parallel 5ths everywhere.
>>124106108>>124106161also, i really haven’t addressed the main reason that fugue sounds absolutely ridiculous: the voice leading is essentially created through nothing but leaps, creating the impression of syncopated arpeggios rather than actual melodic lines that one might be able to sing, which is at the heart of the origins of contrapuntal practice. traditional counterpoint pedagogy has specific rules regarding the balance of melodic contour; more specifically, leaps must be balanced by step in the opposite direction. this is obviously not the case in a “fugue” where the harmony is lazily created through predetermined arpeggiations on chords, as opposed to being formed through voice leading and the intervals between voices.
>>124106153i dont know about any of that but here are some sampleshttps://files.catbox.moe/b14lly.mp3 (2013 eloquence)https://files.catbox.moe/2x4cf1.mp3 (2021 bluray)
>>124106217>You could, for example, make the argument that 1st species counterpoint uses only 2 voicesnot true, by the way. all species counterpoint can theoretically be subject to an infinite number of voices so long as consonance and independence is maintained (though obviously this gets exponentially harder the more voices you add)>whereas Shostakovich is writing for 3frankly, he could be writing for 5 and i wouldn’t be able to tell the difference, given his “voice leading” just consists of leaps with no real melodic contour. at that point, why even pretend that you’re writing conterpoint?
>>124106194
>>124106219Ok, speak of the devil. Thanks for elaborating, the argument makes sense. There's very little movement by step, so it sounds somewhat unrooted and volatile.
>>124106224Having compared the two myself from my own collection, I don't hear too much of a significant difference insofar as micro detail is concerned when I loudness match the two. The 2021 has more perceived clarity IMO largely due to the greater loudness.
>>124106224last time i checked, the 1994 philips and 2013 eloquence issues sound pretty much identical. eloquence probably reissued the same transfers with very minor tweaks to the balances. no idea about the 2021 bluray, but i'd be shocked if it was any better.
Hewitt!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uRG0QXNYX0&list=OLAK5uy_nX41nekdsi1nmsbvmKbunWaXJj0Jng-yY&index=1
>>124106085Brahms
>>124106085Schubert
>>124106085vagner
>>124106294The eloquence transfer is basically identical, yes. The most obvious change is that they shrunk it down from 14 CDs to 12 with more intelligent splitting.
now playing (op. 11/4)start of Hindemith: Sonata For Viola And Piano No. 4, Op. 11https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwXNBCAqKh0&list=OLAK5uy_mhYzvIOYWBm3DXKM5gxaVP9dNhXoftpzk&index=15https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mhYzvIOYWBm3DXKM5gxaVP9dNhXoftpzk
>>124106697never knew kashkashian was signed to ECM.
>>124106085mozart might have but only because of the demanding circumstances he would have been in whereby a battle of his expenses and dreams stood at a crossroads of coercive compliance
>>124106710For a while over many releases it would appear. You're a fan of them?
>>124106775no, i’m just aware of her status among aspiring violists.
>>124106788Ah. Gonna try this one next, love these works for clarinet and probably among my favorite Brahms pieces. Never heard them with viola, should be a great listen.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKsFz04XCos&list=OLAK5uy_n-jpdV1m4yYZ66BW_F9nzhbHVXziZ5I3k&index=1
>>124106775Not to be confused with Kim Kardashian
>>124107025It's the new identity they gave her after she left Kanye.
>>124094444checkedI plan to make a movie adaptation of the magic fluteits my favorite of mozarts workif you haven't listened to it, check it out.
>>124107068A pornographic movie?
>>124107068Bergman already did a perfect Magic Flute adaption, though.
>>124101046>>124100899>>124100843>>124100772Very disappointed to hear these takes elevating literature over music. It's exactly the opposite. Literature is directed at the mind, it's a semiotic game, the words and symbols have to be interpreted and can be re-interpreted over and over again for ever until it's nonsense.Music resonates directly with the body and strikes at the soul. Literature spawns viewpoints and divides opinions. It is Ego-oriented. Music weaves shared experiences and forges unity. It is Self-oriented.Even on this general we are united by listening to the same pieces, but turn into bickering little bitches as soon as speech and posting becomes involved.It was the Russian poet Tyutchev who had a line in one of his poems to the effect of: "A thought that is verbally expressed is already a lie". That's a pretty good summation of literature, and an argument for why we need music.
>>124107099Maybe he plans to make a musical version of The Magic Flute?
>>124107190>"A thought that is verbally expressed is already a lie"Is that a lie?
>>124107190I prefer what James Joyce said, "Literature is the most spiritual of all the arts." Anyway if this were /lit/ I'd happily discuss this topic but since we're here I'll pass.
>>124107205It is a lie in some sense, it's just not clear in which way it differed from the precise noetic content of Tyutchev's mind when he originated it.>>124107215We can meet each other in the middle by acknowledging that poetry and song are close intersections of both media.
>>124107236Of course. "Poetry atrophies when it moves too far away from music," as Pound said.
Unpopular opinion: Bernstein's Bruckner's 9th with Vienna > Giulini's famous recording with the same orchestra. And I quite like Giulini as a conductor, I just never really loved his 9th as much as others -- it's pretty good -- and I really like the Bernstein one.
>>124107271insanely retarded
>>124107192>>124107099there are some good film versions. I hope to be among them, going to be animated. keep an eye out for it in the next few years
I can't count whilst I playI can clap it out and speak it but when it comes to playing and blowing the recorder it's too difficultIs it ok if I play the 8th note as a note that's off the beat by half rather than playing it at the + of the 2?
>>124105773Someone been smoking the Fux crack
>>124108890yeah, smoking the crack that every major composer since haydn smoked
You don't need a theorbo, guitar, violone, viola da gamba, bassoon and harpsichord for basso continuoIn fact it makes it sound uglier the more instruments there are in basso continuo
>>124109010No mans the Fux crack is like the Palestrina crack, but laced with fentanyl
>>124109090yeah, and it's the same crack that haydn, mozart, and beethoven all smoked. what about it?
>>124109050You do need the kitchen sink for BC
Man is there any non-jewish place to discuss this music
What are some good Christian conductors and performers? Not gonna listen to a secularist performing a mass
Music is the only art that can be autarkic in its expression without being shit.
>1 hour 33 mins without a postDead generalhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrBj3FGg4qc
>>124111398Bach sucks
>>124106085Maurice Ravelhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3560563/>In 2005 Baeck [37] hypothesized that Ravel’s illness might be Pick’s complex, which includes fronto-temporal dementia, primary progressive aphasia and corticobasal degeneration, a hypothesis also considered by Cardoso [38]. For a complete understanding of Ravel’ final illness, one should not, however, forget the frequent ups and downs of his last years. Tiredness, cerebral anemia, amnesia symptoms in 1927, and, on the other hand, the improvements in his health which allowed him to compose his final masterpieces and to take the trip to Morocco and Spain, and the final decline around 1936, when his behavior was apathetic and he had a frightened blank expression, giving the impression of being at risk of disintegration (Baeck) [31].
>>124110360Wagner-chan.com
>>124111437You're mom sucks
>>124111495Fuck you i got excited thinking it was a real site for a sec
>>124111510Okay reddit.
>>124111524Kek, it should be.
>>124106065>anon take a seat...
>>124106594wagner would have been an antivaxx /pol/tard
>>124111527You're mom is reddit
Schoenberghttps://youtu.be/OGtE_JA-QvQ
Best recordings of Liszt's Christian music he composed later in his life?
>>124111592
>>124111592>sisterjanny doesnt like jews>loves schoenbergWhat is his mind like?
>>124111592this is gods Music........Schönberg was not an Atheist........no great Music has ever been composed by an Atheist.........Facts and love from vienna Austria.......where it all began,.Haydn,. Mozart,. Beethoven,.schubert,.etc....
>>124111578Nice English saar
>>124111623lol
>>124111469france, as everyone knows, is a police state which would have required ravel to either acquiesce or quit his profession. for example, its crinimal justice reform bill legalized warrantless searches in 2021. no, it wouldn't have been for a lack of health but rather a lack of means to resist while continuing to do the thing he enjoyed doing the most.
>>124111646That's the jokehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSEu1aIH6Ms
>>124111772>>124111772>>124111772Migrate.
>>124111623This but unironically