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Léhar Edition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ehUxoGMrY4

This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.

>How do I get into classical?
This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:
https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh

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>Bach
McDonalds of classical music
>Mozart
Wendy's of classical music
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>>124125645
>you
Anthony Fantano of Classical music
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuHj_0P2qV4
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now playing (Symphony no. 9)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1SuC51IVc&list=OLAK5uy_mzZk8SwW0MjzHfiXS9n9wqjbJpcq8yx78&index=5

Paired and opening with:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zseORpOx7q0
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>>124125623
nice thread title
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MN2WeqFY8
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I am going to lock myself in the attic and masturbate every quarter of the hour with Wagner playing in the background.
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Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVK6lG7nNfA
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Wagner is the reason you are all alive.
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Liszt is the greatest composer for solo piano ever. He reached spiritual heights with his music for the instrument that have never been matched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB8pQ6VxKx8&list=OLAK5uy_lkZjL0OJwMY-NWbt0zkv2qybQKx8dCd68&index=38
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>>124125623
had to double check if I was looking at a futanari
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>>124126557
Your brain is rotted by porn.
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>finally enjoy Ravel

:)
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Bartok

https://youtu.be/mZiDqpgRM8Q
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Is there a good neobaroque composer?
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>>124127780
You're so gay
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Trying out Andrew Davis' Messiah, gorgeous stuff!

>>124127780
That's a lovely image.
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>>124128058
always remember
>Global Rule 13: Do not use avatars or attach signatures to your posts.
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Sometimes I wake crying, crying cause I love counterpoint and theory so much
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Is this really Bach?

Minueto & Badinerie BWV 1067
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mtapozRYIfI

Somehow it doesn’t sound like him
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>>124128123
is like half a tone up and they sound amateur, but yeah it's bach
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>>124126420
>Liszt is the greatest composer for solo piano ever. He reached spiritual heights with his music for the instrument that have never been matched.

That's Godowsky but it's still a nice piece. The harmonies and textures remind me of Tausig's "Ghost Ship" (though he was a pupil of Liszt's and all their harmonies sound the same).
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>>124128152
>That's Godowsky but it's still a nice piece

We just making up names now? Kidding. So, uh, looking at pic, where do I start with him?
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feels like a Missa Solemnis day. With an album cover like this, you just know it's gonna be a magnificent recording.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbav3JCqmF0&list=OLAK5uy_nU6KoTfZqEpBlD_bMLt2dUlbYlTQDhTMc&index=1
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>>124128203
Godowsky's Passacaglia on Schubert's theme is the "final boss".

But I recommend starting with Java Suite and Suite for Left Hand Alone. The Waltz-poems for Left Hand Alone as well.
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>>124128271
Thank you.
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Haydn: Symphony No. 64 Tempora mutantur

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-bIpUv26c&ab_channel=symphony7526
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>>124128284
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5128I-Wgm3E

Forgot this one too.
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>>124128147
I thought it sounded pretty good. It has lots of character
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>>124128123
i judge you to be fair and orderly for you see the participants are students of a women "professor" who also happens ot be black. in other words, you're hearing an attempt at subverting bach. these factors when combined enable an environment of rampant revisionism. all the more so when the tiny hats are involved.
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>>124125645
Buxtehude is the loaf of fresh bread and some roast beef or good cheese that costs less and you'd enjoy more
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now playing

start of Smetana: Má Vlast, JB1:112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlVdj-rXvOg&list=OLAK5uy_k0Hx2eJxu2nJWqMyP5VzbwMiwujDTeHKQ&index=1

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0Hx2eJxu2nJWqMyP5VzbwMiwujDTeHKQ
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>>124128549
t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzAmxHAXVRQ&ab_channel=aiautist
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>>124128639
Levine's a solid conductor with the capability for occasional greatness and rare transcendence.
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dont mind me just posting a better vysehrad which is 100% free of the influence from levines and similar people of that ilk
https://files.catbox.moe/m0lfje.mp3
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>>124122679
What's the Sylvester cat form?
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>>124128720
I'll check that one out. I'm surprised you didn't post Kubelik's.
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>>124128711
solid when it comes to children maybe
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Puccini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogVVtqaH6yk
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Camille Saint Saens Aquarium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFpZ5MZ7kk&ab_channel=WROrchestra
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>>124125645
this is your brain in amerimutt
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>>124128152
>That's Godowsky
Get fucked; not even top 10
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>>124125645
Tchaicovsky
In n out
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>Perhaps no other contemporary composer studied Beethoven's Middle and Late Quartets as did Cherubini, who both admired and understood them. Most others then living, regarded Beethoven's Late Quartets as the work of a madman. That Cherubini truly understood and profited from Beethoven's late work can clearly be seen in his Third String Quartet. No other contemporary chamber music work so closely approaches the profundity of Beethoven's Late Quartets as does Cherubini's String Quartet No.3.

>The Quartet was composed in 1834 and is in four movements. From the very opening notes of the Allegro commodo, we hear the depth of thought. A short recitative in the first violin is answered by the cello before the noble and boldly rhythmic main theme makes its entrance. The second subject is pure Italian melody with an unusual rhythmic accompaniment giving the music an almost Spanish flavor. The second movement, Larghetto sostenuto, might be an aria from an Italian opera. The lovely bel canto melody is given a very expressive accompaniment. In the third movement, Scherzo, allegro, one can tell that Cherubini had Beethoven as his model--and not the Op.18 quartets which was all that Reicha or Onslow could understand--but the Late Quartets. The serious and syncopated main theme is given to the cello and viola to introduce. There is a brash energy to it. The middle section features a polonaise. The finale, Allegro risoluto, although in the major, nonetheless, maintains the sense of energy of the previous movement and adds to it a sense of powerful struggle.

>This quartet is an unqualified masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9MTWWTR-aY
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>>124129184
very interesting, i was unaware of this. recommended recordings?
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>>124129216
Hausmusik London did an excellent job with all six of his quartets
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>>124125623
no title
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>>124129230
will seek them out, thanks.
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>>124129235
cry about it
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Philip Glass Symphony 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YF1Q20aexE&ab_channel=Past_notes
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>>124129184
>>124129230
Sold.
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Shostakovich Cello Concerto no. 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtrZyXGn8EY&list=OLAK5uy_kMJWQn_TA0Ro0FCDHUnZJvK1mKOQlrDG0&index=5
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How come most recorder players seem to be women?
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>>124129390
wut? They're not even 50% lol
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Gorgeous stuff.

start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 14 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 131 (Arr. Mitropoulos for String Orchestra)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWCRkLuMgMY&list=OLAK5uy_kDtyAmNthEgcbQH1gwcVsnqppfiram450&index=1

>In Dinner with Lenny, his book-length interview conducted during the last year of Bernstein’s life, Jonathan Cott pressed the maestro to nominate one among his hundreds of recordings that was most special to him. Bernstein chose the transcription for string orchestra of Beethoven’s String Quartet in C-sharp minor, Op. 131, as “my personal favorite record that I’ve ever made in my life.” Recorded in 1977 with the Vienna Philharmonic’s string section, it’s paired with a transcription of Beethoven’s final quartet, Op. 135, also with the Vienna players in 1989, on a Deutsche Grammophon release.

>[...]

>In particular, Bernstein held onto Mitropoulos’ edition of Op. 131, from which the Greek conductor had prepared the string-orchestra version that figured on one of his Boston programs—Bernstein also attended the rehearsals. He later used it for his famous Beethoven cycle with the Vienna Philharmonic.

>Bernstein even made the extraordinary gesture of dedicating his recording to his wife, Felicia Cohn Montealegre, who was dying at the time—“the only record I’ve ever dedicated to anyone,” Bernstein told Cott. “And I had to fight with the Vienna Philharmonic string players to get them to do it.” He added: “You can’t understand any Mahler unless you understand this piece, which moves and stabs—and with its floating counterpoint.”

https://stringsmagazine.com/leonard-bernstein-at-100/
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>>124129456
>(Arr. Mitropoulos for String Orchestra)
heh rubbing salt to the wound
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>>124129456
retarded narcissistic faggot takes a fat shit all over the one genre of music he can’t bastardize—chamber music.
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>>124129524
whoa now take it easy there champ
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>>124129550
it’s just a fact of the matter
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>>124129497
Masters of picking your pocket while stabbing you in the back.
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>>124129390
you misspelled "retarded"
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>>124127780
>Is there a good neo--
No. Neo-anything is immediately, absolutely, irrevocably trash. I'd rather listen to Stockhausen's random fucking weedleweedle than any of that unimaginative, retrovivalist, bland, soulless muzak. Utterly creatively bankrupt copouts.
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What's Debussy's best solo piano work?
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>>124129456
>You can’t understand any Mahler unless you understand this piece
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>>124129456
first it was levine then solti, another levine, glass, shostakovich and now bernstein. no doubt this will be the first confrontation of your life dealing with propriety, but the following must stated. the attitude you have expressed itt is symptomatic of a much deeper and systemic issue, in particular the issue of autonomy.
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What do we think of Mahler's Beethoven reorchestrations
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>>124129726
I've never posted Glass in my life.
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>>124129749
typical jewish behavior
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>>124129749
very intelligent and idiomatic, though perhaps not as necessary as his schumann reorchestrations.
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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXwKqgYm5ms
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Hisato Ohzawa Kamikaze concerto (no 3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MhlDVH3UWI&list=PLkmYwCzukwGxjXYOl_GxFyi-fzEYBZH1f&ab_channel=EkaterinaSaranceva-Topic
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>>124129672
Claire De Lune
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>>124129765
>>124129767
Which one of you is sisterspammer
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>>124129845

I suspect these two are
>>124129524
>>124129614
the sisterposter ban evading after going sister postal
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>>124129672
the Préludes, duh
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>>124129867
I was just making a joke about women performers being retarded; don't lump me into your schizo debates
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>>124129867
thank you schizo sister
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>>124129749
Waiting on a recording by a conductor I recognize and like before listening to them. Check out the Schumann ones, recorded by both Alsop and Chailly, in the meantime.
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>>124129749
"we" don't
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>>124129885
Misogyny is never funny anon
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>>124129902
be quiet
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The Chopin preludes in C minor and the Nocturnes. So much better than the waltzes
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>>124129911
What a daring, original, brave, unique stance to take
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>>124129704
Jewish wordsalad
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>>124129893
yeah, no major conductors have done the mahler beethoven reorchestrations yet, it’s odd.
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>>124129920
Thank you
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>>124129911
Duh. However, the Waltzes are still great and better suited for a more cheerful, upbeat, chirpy mood, so I honestly listen to them more often whenever I listen to Chopin these days.
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>>124129726
What are you talking about anon?
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>>124129911
Chopin's preludes and ballades are absolute peak of piano music and I will never change my mind on this, and I'm open about anything else, regardless of topic (music, politics, etc).
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>>124129965
It's the anti-semitic schizo anon, that should be your clue.
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>>124125623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIm3sb8oyiE [Embed]

how the fuck did Bach even do it? what's the best source on advanced counterpoint?
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>>124129997
Thorough bass
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>>124129911
some of them sure, but not all of them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNN7-Do_vA
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>>124129789
Spellbinding.
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>>124130004
please explain.
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>>124129981
I don't really understand what this means
>. no doubt this will be the first confrontation of your life dealing with propriety, but the following must stated. the attitude you have expressed itt is symptomatic of a much deeper and systemic issue, in particular the issue of autonomy.

Also I think there might be more than one anti semite on 4chan
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>>124130022
I don't know thorough bass well enough to lecture you, read the wikipedia page, basics are pretty simple to grasp.
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>>124129157
Not very familiar with Godowsky, I see, but that's alright, it explains the petulant outburst of profanity.
I'll grant that there are maybe 2 or 3 other contenders for the number 1 spot, depending on your musical sensibilities.

The thing with Godowsky is that there is simply no other composer for modern solo piano who managed to stack up to 3 lines of florid romantic-style textures in EACH hand, and who possessed the innate compositional talent and sheer experience with the sonorities and physical properties of the instrument to weave them into contrapunctally sound, fine-tuned structures of soul-shaking power and spellbinding emotional richness.
He was not so good as an originator of melody and theme, in my opinion (but then again, I can think of few good melodists post-Chopin outside of the Russians). That's his one weakness: he didn't possess the gift of a great long-form symphonic composer like Mozart, so his massive sonata is somewhat obtuse and overwrought. So he often relies on the musical material of others (Bach, Chopin, Schubert) for his themes and is better-known as a transcriber that pure composer. But as an engineer and technician of musical structures for the piano, he could have won a Nobel prize.
When it comes to dance form, variation form: I don't think he has an equal in the literature.

Godowsky single-handedly pioneered a whole new school of both piano technique and composition which the "academy" is yet to catch up with 100 years later. He brought out the full biomechanical capacities of the hand within the context of piano technique to their absolute limit, and unlike, say, Mereaux, was able to craft musical material for it at a commensurate level.

Show me someone else who can compose something just as rich, delicate, sensitive, and playable by one person on a piano:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjqzU2QLv0c
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>>124130025
anon is unwittingly promoting performances and composers whose pattern becomes apparent with even the slightest of glances. it was my suggestion that he, through years of targeted advertisements and propaganda, has been inducted and enrolled into an organization that he subconsciously promotes and, in doing so, trades his individuality in favor of its framework.
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>>124130025
He's saying my taste and entire being have been captured by the Jewish art music complex, that I've been fooled into thinking they have produced anything worthwhile and my soul has been is held prisoner in their spiritual cave. Something like that.

And yes but he has a very particular way of writing.
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>>124130043
Godowsky not even top ten of the past 150 years
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Debussy's female choral work on Nocturnes is supreme. Beats everything Beethoven, Mozart or Mahler ever did. Such beauty can only witnessed in Debussy's music.
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>>124130072
Oh I see

AHHH0
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>>124130082
calm down, woman
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>>124129997
Sounds like junk
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>>124130082
Debussy's music is too diffuse for my own liking, but I respect it.
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>>124130082
is this a random youtube comment you just copypasted orrr
>>124130102
the diffuseness is part of the charm I think
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>>124129967
my condolences
>>124130072
look, the schizo has found a pattern in the numbers.
>>124130082
the bussy? sounds gay.
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>>124130072
Well, I didn't know Solti was one, so, uh, thanks. Doesn't change anything about who I like to listen to though.
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>>124129726
Shostakovich wasn't Jewish. I know he was strongly against antisemitism though
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>>124130207
Maybe he wasn't but his music sure was
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>>124130249
>Maybe he wasn't but his music sure was
Interesting that his music, as a non-Jew, was suppressed by the Soviet government, whereas Feinberg (a Jew) got the Stalin Prize, and his music sounded like this:
https://youtu.be/nCslDmwzWhE?si=bX4M4tlmru-D6Z68&t=985
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>>124130302
>Interesting that his music, as a non-Jew, was suppressed by the Soviet government,
frankly, if i were the soviet government, i'd be repressing his music too.
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>>124130302
Feinberg was just aping Scriabin, though, which is infinitely better than Shotakonbitch's shitass music
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>>124130350
True story: when he finished his preludes and fugues, Shostakovich played them in front of the official group of Soviet composers, and they didn't like his dissonances.
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Schumann
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raAWx2r-htE&list=OLAK5uy_n53KugJbdm8FQBY9KOiGqHzf7UMR7zU6Q
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>>124130399
>dissonances
jewsic confirmed
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>>124130399
wtf i love the soviets now
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>>124129704
Maybe it's because I have some brain fog currently but I have no clue what Adorno means with this quote, at least the first part, which is necessary to understand as a precursor to the flipped second.
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>>124130416
be careful you don't fall for the soviet realism meme or it will be game over for your ability to tell good music from trash
>>124130424
Adorno is literal edgy contrarian nonsense and not worth trying to make sense of
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>>124130399
>labelling the work as an example of formalism
But the formalism is not there, voice leading rules are not fully realized (which is a good thing of course - one must always break rules in art for good OR bad). The fugues themselves are beautiful and rightfully praised today.
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>>124130445
>be careful you don't fall for the soviet realism meme
oh no, i'm not THAT stupid. i'm allowed to agree with them on this just this once though.
>>124130490
it's literally the same musically illiterate dunce defending these dogshit fugues every single thread lmao
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>>124130504
Thank you comrade sisterposter
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>>124130504
>if you enjoy nore things than i do then YOU are musically illiterate
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>the composer wrote this work when he was still a teenager

Into the Recycle Bin it goes. Next!

(Mendelssohn's Octet, for one)
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>>124130529
no, if you're yapping about "breaking the rules" all the time you're probably a musically illiterate idiot.
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>>124130533
...why? What's the point of your post?
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>>124130543
I'm not yapping about "breaking the rules" alll the time, it was relevant in this context.
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>>124130546
Making fun of myself for subconsciously being affected by learning a piece was composed in a composer's adolescence. It shouldn't, but it does, making me view the piece with a hint of suspicion and skepticism.
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>>124130556
yes, it is indeed relevant to you being a musically illiterate ignoramus.
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>>124129726
It depends which Jew I guess. You've got like Schoenberg who is total bollocks only loved by German music teachers. On the other hand you have Steve Reich and Philip Glass who wrote some of the best music of all time.
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>>124130602
bait is supposed to believable
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>>124130604
Tranny Jannies are meant to shut the fuck up
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Shostakovich might as well be the final boss of music judging by its filtering power. I've never witnessed filtration of ths level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoxfQ2H3ns
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>>124130620
obsessed schizos are supposed to be medicated.
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So what's the best recording of the orchestral version of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition? It's got like a thousand recordings. Seems like one of those pieces where most performances are good without any substantial difference, but I've only heard a few.
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>>124130668
Skip along now sister
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>>124129926
Steinberg's 9th uses the Mahler reorchestration iirc
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>>124130663
Have you head the string orchestra version of that work, aka Chamber Symphony op. 110a?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjeyUPuqXyE

Very good.
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>>124130663
filtered by my sewage filter, yes.
>>124130715
meds now schizo
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Are there any evil sounding classical pieces?
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>>124130687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkJUpu5ab-4
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>>124130727
Nope, but I'll listen to it first thing in the morning.
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>>124130721
yeah, i feel like i've heard about this before. too bad the other orchestrations of the beethoven symphonies seem completely forgotten though. in fact i'm not even sure how many beethoven symphonies mahler orchestrated aside from the 3rd, 7th and 9th.
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>>124130729
hop along now
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>>124130731
As I said in the last thread, a lot of Shostakovich sounds like that to me.

Cello Concerto no. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgFP-BlKq3M

Symphony no. 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fCmbe55Ykc

and this one:
>>124130727
>>124130663

And more.
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>>124130731
I just posted one >>124130663
Bit it's more terrifying and schizophrenic than evil I'd say. Scriabin's Sonatas are probably what you're looking for. Especially the late ones.
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>>124130782
antipsychotics now
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>>124130731
Bartók - The Miraculous Mandarin
https://youtu.be/UlcnJd5QNvY
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>>124130775
The recenr Michael Francis recording has them all I think
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>>124130731
Oh and Liszt's Transcendental Etudes, and of his other stuff. And as >>124130795 said, Scriabin, particularly his Black Mass piano sonata and maybe the Poem of Ecstasy.
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>>124130788
he said evil not rancid
>>124130814
yeah, but then he's not exactly a big name conductor. see what i mean? good to know the extent of mahler's work in reorchestration though.
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Top 3 evil composers? My take:

>Bartok
>Scriabin
>Chopin
Yes I am joking about the last one, it's probably Prokofiev
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>>124130836
Guess you'll have to record them someday.
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TChai Pas De Deux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5USHu6D6U&ab_channel=thiagoblanco
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>>124130853
probably. i don't know if orchestras/labels would be resistant to such a thing or if the marketing people would be all over it.
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>>124130731
This is what they ballroom dance to in Hell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loud6FguK_g&list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvc&index=1

I mean it's in the name!
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You may bring 1 (one) composer back to life, in return he may write a new piece for you or finish an unifinished work. Who wil it be?
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>>124130914
If your answer isn't Brahms' 5th Symphony or Mahler's 11th, I don't even wanna know you.
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>>124130914
Chopin or Mozart. It'd be hard to decide.
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>>124130914
probably either beethoven with his 10th or the projected "oratorio on the ancient modes" or mahler's 10th.
>>124130937
brahms was never planning a 5th, so that's too far into the territory of pure speculation.
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>>124130950
>brahms was never planning a 5th

As in he was just working on other forms in his final years or he made a comment stating he was done with the symphonic form for the near future? I guess I can understand if he felt happy letting his 3rd and 4th represent his final thoughts on the matter, at least for the time being.
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>>124131008
as in i’m not aware of any statement from him announcing or any sketches for a 5th symphony.
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>>124130914
there's an anime with this included in its plot. unfortunately, it's only got three episodes.
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>>124127780
maho sexoooo
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>>124130914
Mozart, Beethoven or Schubert
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>>124130846
there is nothing evil about Bartók.
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>>124130663
Well, Shostakovich plays with clichés most of the time, I find. It's like olive oil, when you have a second and even third pressing, and I think of Shostakovich as the second, or even third, pressing of Mahler.

I think, with Shostakovich, people are influenced by the autobiographical dimension of his music.

I also heard the first cello concerto twice over the years, and I am not saying that it made me physically sick or anything like that, but Tchaikovsky was more radical than Shostakovich. I heard the Fifth Symphony a few years back here in Chicago; it is so conventional. And Symphony Fifteen, this business of long quotes from Rossini, what a poor excuse for some imagination. If we are to play Shostakovich, why not Hindemith?

You know, in the history of music, there are composers without whom the face of music would be completely different, and composers whom if they had never existed, it would have made no difference whatsoever.
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>>124130914
Scriabin, to finish this:
https://youtu.be/V4YSysUn-Bk?si=O1PJvbx4m_eM5Ktg
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Wagner is the greatest.
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>>124131422
boulez may have been a horrific composer, but he was basically always on point with his critiques.
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Boulez on other composers:
He accused Schoenberg, after his death, of the “most ostentatious and obsolete romanticism.” Webern was “too simple.” Berg suffered from “bad taste,” Ravel from “affectation.” Twelve-tone music in its extant form was overrun by “number-fanatics” who engaged in “frenetic arithmetic masturbation.” Boulez’s teacher, Olivier Messiaen, produced “brothel music.” John Cage, who was at one time an ally of Boulez, became a “performing monkey,” and Karlheinz Stockhausen, likewise, a “hippie.” The American minimalists displayed a “supermarket aesthetic,” the American serialists had a “cashier’s point of view.” Brahms was a “bore,” Tchaikovsky “abominable,” Verdi “stupid, stupid, stupid!” And so on.
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>>124131478
What about as a conductor?
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>>124131575
he got worse as time went on if you ask me.
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>>124131590
I think I half agree. He was certainly less uncompromising as he grew, but I do wonder how much of my perception is affected by that god-awful sound he was receiving from his switch to DG. I've heard contemporary live recordings of his Mahler for instance, and they aren't nearly as bad as his recordings on DG.
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>>124131750
yeah, i’m sure my opinion is being tinted by the fact that half of his DG recordings have that fucking awful 4D sound.
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>>124131020
Johannes told me different.
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>>124131769
>>124131750
I thought one of the selling points of a lot of his DG stuff is their high quality production.
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>Brahms architectural musical skill is nowhere more evident than in his fourth and final symphony, employing Baroque contrapuntal techniques and chromatic labyrinths and described by Hans von Bülow as having the feeling of being given a beating by two incredibly intelligent people.

KEK WHAT!?
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>>124131873
yeah, it's called a "selling" point for a reason; because it's used as marketing fluff. basis in reality not included.
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>>124130846
Liszto
Scriabino
Bergo
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start of Martinu: Fantaisies symphoniques (Symphony No. 6) , H. 343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A581_s6k5k&list=OLAK5uy_mRiIxh38TkAk9RtG0a9nvWV4yXI7xV4C0&index=1

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mRiIxh38TkAk9RtG0a9nvWV4yXI7xV4C0
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Does a compelte recording of Franz von Suppé's Ein Morgen, ein Mittag und ein Abend in Wien not even exist? Only the overture? I know it was a play, but he composed several songs for it.
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>>124132115
Such strange music.
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Any Halloween-y sounding classical? I feel like there has to be stuff out there that originated the goofy "haunted house" motifs used in old movies and cartoons.
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>>124132263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zpMdr9nBJc0
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>>124132263
Check replies to >>124130731
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the vagner meme
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dvorak
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why has franz von soup been ignored?
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>>124132668
do you want to listen to soup? well, neither do i!
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>mogs your favorite composer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvWjI4PrJw
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>>124132734
i kneel
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>>124132301
Being sinister alone isn't really what I mean. Like is there anything similar to this but for Halloween:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPsOZUMB3NA
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>>124131511
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-qQ78qztQ&t=296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-FjOPB4w2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4wuV14QlNM
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>>124132807
meant for:

>>124132263
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>>124132263
>>124132780
https://youtu.be/rjNDY2SJ-0Y?si=aMWU2tfx_80C7Jyv
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>>124129390
It takes the least air support of any instrument
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>>124132780
not too sure. give me some time to find something.
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>>124132780
Perhaps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMwJSI7qC3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX6AfyY6a-8
https://youtu.be/6gCj62KHG0g?si=Bwl4bVdVjr_eZGag&t=10
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Verdi's Requiem must have really blown people's minds when it premiered and thereafter as folks saw it for the first time.
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start of R. Strauss: Vier letzte Lieder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzYtOK2q3qw&list=OLAK5uy_mrwdbKWn1ntk_3jNzjWNltxPFMibuvRK0&index=2

start of Wagner: Wesendonck Lieder, WWV 91
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbpSVqccchs&list=OLAK5uy_mrwdbKWn1ntk_3jNzjWNltxPFMibuvRK0&index=5

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mrwdbKWn1ntk_3jNzjWNltxPFMibuvRK0
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>>124133289
it's mindblowingly boring, yeah
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>>124133024
Liszt would have killed it writing scores for horror and giant monster movies
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>>124133546
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6cogix3cwQ&ab_channel=MetropolitanOpera
Yeah what a snoozfest-I can't think of anything more boring
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>>124132780
I'm not aware of any Halloween suites or something along those lines in the standard repertoire.
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>>124133571
>loud = interesting
i wish i were so easily impressed
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>loud = interesting
>i wish i were so easily impressed
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>>124133556
yeah. This is basically a pastiche of Liszt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCNFEK1Auic
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>>124125645
I AM FAT FUCK
I AM SO FAT I EAT COMPOSERS
IMAGINE BEING SO FAT YOU HEAR MUSIC AND TASTE FOOD
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>>124133363
that recording has my absolute favorite Tristan prelude.
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>>124133733
Good to know. I was only gonna listen to the lieders but I'll definitely stay for the orchestral pieces now.
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>>124133621
this isn’t the right board for selfies, maybe try >>>/soc/ instead
>>124133713
imagine being hear music
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>>124132734
my crippling depression: annihilated
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>>124133546
I could understand calling it contrived, obnoxious, hell even cheesy, but boring? You do you I guess.
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>>124133824
>imagine being hear music
Good day sir
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Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwQaCIX90qU&list=OLAK5uy_kk9krDnytsssdkFZD6XEs8frPDuEjty3M
>>124133571
shlomosister's sex life
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>In 1939, Klemperer began to suffer from serious balance problems.[54] A potentially fatal brain tumour was diagnosed and he travelled to Boston for an operation to remove it.[55] The operation was successful, but left him lame and partly paralysed on his right side.[16] He had long had bipolar disorder (in the parlance of the time he was "manic depressive")[56] and after the operation he went through an intense manic phase of the illness, which lasted for nearly three years and was followed by a long spell of severe depression.[55]

>In 1941, after he walked out of a mental sanatorium in Rye, New York, the local police put out a bulletin, describing him as "dangerous and insane". He was found two days later in Morristown, New Jersey and appeared composed. A doctor who examined him said he was "temperamental and unstrung" but not dangerous, and he was released.[22] The board of the Los Angeles Philharmonic terminated his contract, and his subsequent appearances were few, and seldom with prestigious ensembles, in Los Angeles or elsewhere.[22] As her father struggled to support the family from his modest fees, Lotte worked in a factory to bring in some money.[57]

Damn.

>The conductor's subsequent appearances were few, and often involved minor musical organizations. In 1946, he left the United States for Budapest, where he was appointed musical director of the opera.

>With the help of recordings, his career again appeared on the ascendant, but in 1951, while arriving for an appearance in Montreal, he fell while getting off the plane and broke his hip. Until 1955, when he found he could stand again, his conducting was done from a wheel chair.

Damn!
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>>124133843
i’ve heard the verdi requiem more times than i’ve heard the brahms haydn variations, and yet i can recite the haydn variations from memory while i couldn’t tell you what happens in any movement of the verdi requiem past the tuba mirum.
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>>124133849
>he doesn't know
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>>124130731
>evil sounding
Nothing. The people posting examples are either unironical faggots who go actually go "eek" out loud and jump on chairs when they see mice, eyes closed and arms flailing in the most cartoonishly homosexual way possible, or barely literate tweens who still wet the bed and have an emotional connection to a worn plushie that they carry everywhere and chew on when mommy and daddy fight in front of them.
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>>124131402
There's nothing evil about any of them.
>Prokofiev
probably the softest of them all. Music AND person. I wouldn't be surprised to find that he'd let you punch his jiraffe-ass face without offering any resistance other than the slavic equivalent of "please! y-you wouldn't punch a man with glasses!"
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>>124130914
I'd bring back Wagner so that he may see what he has caused to happen in the 20th century. And no, I don't just mean the obvious nazis, or the JewAssAy-brand films glorifying crueltyI on the innocent. I mean trannies. And this general.
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>>124131511
He basically admitted to being an edgy contrarian as some sort of moral principle. The man wrote interesting music for a short period, but his opinions are literally performance. Stop paying attention to him, even after he fucking finally died.
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>>124135045
just say "I have IED" and be done with it
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>>124131890
do

you

speak

english


friend
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>>124135080
>or the JewAssAy-brand films glorifying crueltyI on the innocent.
?
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>>124135101
I'm not a terrorist
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>>124135101
he has an improvised explosive device???
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>>124130731
Sorabji
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>>124135110
>>>/pol/
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>>124135119
>>124135120
>Intermittent explosive disorder (IED) is an impulse-control disorder characterized by sudden episodes of unwarranted anger. The disorder is typified by hostility, impulsivity, and recurrent aggressive outbursts.
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fuck EVERYBODY POSTING RIGHT NOW JUST SHUT UP, SHUT THE FUCK UP

John Field's Nocturnes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdh_3GM6chA
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>>124135130
Anon what the fuck are you talking about
did you forget your meds again
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>>124135136
In the light of that, none of your posts make sense. Thank you for clarifying that we were being given nonsense to work with.
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>>124135145
I'm just saying calm down, man. If you need to vent then try /pol/, that's what it's there for: Emotionally compromised spazzing.
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>>124135154
>none of your posts make sense
there was only one post to make sense of beforehand, why the plural
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>>124135164
but I'm not angry, I'm just asking what you're talking about with "films glorifying crueltyI on the innocent."
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>>124135125
i don’t think faggot pajeets are evil, just very very stinky.
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>>124135169
;)
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>>124135045
this scares me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVYu5lyX5M
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>>124135242
have you tried realising mice can't hurt you
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>>124128058
>>124128073
>>124129643
>>124131339
Wow... Thanks for the useful recommendations

Either way, to better elaborate, is there a composer from any post-baroque period that composes in baroque forms while adhering to the styles of his time?
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>>124135142
Good post
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>>124135254
>Either way, to better elaborate, is there a good neobaroque composer
No. This matter has already been settled, avatarposter
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>>124135254
I can do you one better and give you neorenaissance modes adhering to the style of his time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECkwsfzDUI
but yeah the answer is no to neobaroque or neoclassical or neoromanticism
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>>124129643
neo-romanticism is the future and final form of classical music. get with the times or fuck off.
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>>124135279
Modernist wankery is preferrable to insubstantial retrorevivalist muzak. This matter has already been settled, avatarposter.
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>>124135290
Suck my dick, Langgaard, go cry and write some derivative schlop about it
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>>124135282
wtf this is unironically good
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>>124135282
Thanks, and that's a bummer.
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>>124135290
not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
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>>124135293
Nothing wrong with thinking "damn music of my time fucking sucks, we have to go back"
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>>124135279
modernist and post-modernist techniques fail on their own. from these failures it has been learned that their true purpose is to extend the palate of Romanticism.
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>>124135290
You're not wrong: Neo-whatever, possibly especially neoromanticism, IS the final form of music: Unimaginative, retro-revivalist, bland, flavourless, soulless. creatively bankrupt muzak.
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>>124135298
I'm unable to since you are a tranny who cut off his own penis.
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>>124135254
>>124135282
There IS literally just one good example, though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcuPVgpUKKs
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>>124135318
time to take your pills, Mr. Williams, you're expected at the jew mass production studio very early tomorrow to churn out more pointless schlop for the brainwashed masses to fawn over
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>>124135328
>t-tranny ;_;
nice one, schizo
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>>124135325
at least 99.99% of great music remains unwritten and lost in the oceans of neo-romanticism.
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>>124135342
you only hate Williams because of his career in the film industry. If he wrote and published the same music while being some random hillbilly who lived in a shed, you would call Williams an "underrated master".
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>>124135337
>just one.

lol. lmao even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeXEP7VzQqo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0267kksPE38

Thoughts?
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Brünhilde, standing to Wotan in a daughter-anima relationship, is clearly revealed here as the symbolical or spiritual mother of Siegfried, thus confirming the psychological rule that the first carrier of the anima-image is the mother. Siegfried says:

Then death took not my mother?
Was the loved one but sleeping?

The mother-imago, at first identical with the anima, represents the feminine aspect of the hero himself. Brünhilde tells him as much in the words:

Thine own self am I
In the bliss of thy love!

As the anima she is the mother-sister-wife, and as the preexistent archetype she has always loved him:

O Siegfried, Siegfried!
Conquering light!
Always I have loved thee,
For I alone divined
Wotan’s hidden thought-
The thought which I never
Dared to name,
Which I dared not think,
Which I only felt,
For which I fought,
Struggled and strove,
For which I defied
Him who conceived it.…
Canst thou not guess?
It was naught but my love for thee!

The anima-image brings with it still other aspects of the mother-imago, amongst others those of water and submersion:

A glorious flood
Before me rolls.
With all my senses
I only see
Its buoyant, gladdening billows.…
I long to plunge
My burning heat
In the water’s balm;
Just as I am
To sink in the flood.
O that its billows
Might drown me in bliss!

The water represents the maternal depths and the place of rebirth; in short, the unconscious in its positive and negative aspects.
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>>124135354
Based and true.
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Any good non-Bach composers of fugue?
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>>124135916
check out Seixas, Spohr, Alfred Hill, and Christopher Gunning.

>>124135667
Telemann and Cherubini
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>>124136017
I shall listen to them, thanks.
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>>124135916
maho sexo
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Wagner... come back to me!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-1tVRE1LU

I love how Egarr brings out the horns a lot. Any non-HIP conductor that does that to the same extend?
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Why did composers get so obsessed with sonata form for like 2 centuries?
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>>124136536
what a doltish question. You evidently don't know what sonata form is.
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Such intellectual depth and profundity, such aristocratic prowess, the world we live in, the movies we watch, the video games, all should fall under and be attributed to Wagner's legacy. He came into this world empty handed and left it with beauty and richness, with culture and progress... he was a man chosen by nature herself, his brilliance and achievement that bestowed upon him rewards from Gods. He is more important than sophists like Muhammad and Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0QsSCPoa0w
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>>124136580
You introduce a buncha melodies, put them together
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>>124136592
how do I write like Wagner?
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Wagner proved that Artists are greater than Prophets. The prophet might fool the masses, but the artist will destroy and remake them in some higher craft. Culture and Art is the highest good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaW_5qqCjCA
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>>124136630
how do I write like Wagner?
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>>124136626
>>124136642
Imagine like... A mahler symphony but like... With words...
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>>124136650
MEHler is garbage.
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>>124136677
Best composer ever
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Burn down this entire world. Purge it clean from all sophistry, from the shackles of laws and finance, bare humanity to Art. Expose man to the flame of Prometheus and the carnival of Bacchus. Numb all reasoning and ambition, drug the mind with higher carnal expression. Legalize orgies, public masturbation and make it mandatory to wear Togas or wear nothing at all. You will participate or you will be drowned in wine.

https://youtu.be/guKdhAlp-Kc?si=aMJpXnglkkHKqlwr&t=315
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I don't believe in a god who can't dance.
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>>124136693
Wagner was a Nordicist though.
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>>124136726
and an esoteric Lutheran too but seeing as 4chan is now mostly brown I doubt few people here would understand what that means.
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>>124136759
please explain.
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>>124136711
That god who can dance line sounds like something a girl would put on her tumblr profile in 2014. Not Nietzsche's best moment.
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>>124137213
Wagner broke Nietzsche. many such cases.
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Wagner raped us.
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>>124137247
Strauss was a second-rate rapist.
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Wagner's music is so confrontational. Even in his photographs his gaze is so penetrative. You just know from the first notes he's ready to ravish you. No composer comes at you with more force and leaves you begging for more. Just brutal. He keeps going and going until the flower of womanhood blossoms within your bud. If he were around today he would be the biggest Alpha in the My Little Pony fandom.
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Wagner is the "One".
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Just what kind of a pussy did Nietzsche tap? I refuse to believe his introspective abilities did not rise from a dangerous prostitute he bedded.
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>>124137302
Wagner drove him to insanity, sickness, and death. many such cases.
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>>124136650
You mean Mahler 8?
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>>124130445
I think Prokofiev struck a good balance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvhI4Ifithc

>>124130731
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQFOpYC0BY
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>>124137499
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cowell#Imprisonment
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>>124137534
Wow this one paragraph explains so much about modern music.
>Cage
>friend and teacher

Looks like Ives was still based though.
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>>124137587
yeah. many people in the American avant-garde were faggots, socialists, and Jews.
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>>124135440
If he were a random hillbilly who lived in a shed, he would rot in obscurity as a derivative composer if not downright exposed as a plagiarist.
At best he's a glorified sound producer/music supervisor who picks works by classical composers to match the spirit of movies and scenes, and sufficiently alters them: an avenue which would not be available to him without the film industry.
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What are some composers besides mehler and beethoven who wrote symphonies of 50+ minutes?
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>>124138180
Bruckner.
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>>124138180
Sorabji
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>>124138180
Shostakovich (it's shit)
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Is there any full (4 movements) Mozart 40th with a basso continuo essamble? I am pretty sure this practice was falling out fo fashion at the time the symphony was written, but I've heard Jupiter symphony and I enjoy the sense of "greatness" the classical orchestra achieve with a harpsichord or any other B.C. instrument.

Asking the same than in HIP because none of you cunts have good taste and use such an apendix of this general.
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>>124138180
Shostakovich (it's great)
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>>124138180
Rachmaninoff's 2nd is 1 hour long. (It is also the best symphony ever written)
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New thread
>>124138844
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Porpora
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csIAWnVgRBM&list=OLAK5uy_ljhZovaTUM9PmjUJIft-tf3bJKl5IS5yI
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Actual new
>>124139025
>>124139025
>>124139025
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>>124139030
ugh dont do this
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>>124135495
put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
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>>124134379
That's a fair point. I quite like it and all I can remember is it goes from quiet to loud and back a bunch of times lol. Seems like there are only like five choral works you even like though.
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>>124139186
your accusations have no weight sister you are illiterate
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>>124139186
>>124139342
Just get married at this point
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>>124139374
Not even married couples talk directly to each other this much.
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>>124135354
>>124135440
this is your brain on neotripe
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>>124136017
>Spohr
>lesser known
to you, maybe



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