Léhar Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ehUxoGMrY4This thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious: >>124111772
>BachMcDonalds of classical music>MozartWendy's of classical music
>>124125645>youAnthony Fantano of Classical music
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuHj_0P2qV4
now playing (Symphony no. 9)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz1SuC51IVc&list=OLAK5uy_mzZk8SwW0MjzHfiXS9n9wqjbJpcq8yx78&index=5Paired and opening with:https://youtube.com/watch?v=zseORpOx7q0
>>124125623nice thread title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MN2WeqFY8
I am going to lock myself in the attic and masturbate every quarter of the hour with Wagner playing in the background.
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVK6lG7nNfA
Wagner is the reason you are all alive.
Liszt is the greatest composer for solo piano ever. He reached spiritual heights with his music for the instrument that have never been matched.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB8pQ6VxKx8&list=OLAK5uy_lkZjL0OJwMY-NWbt0zkv2qybQKx8dCd68&index=38
>>124125623had to double check if I was looking at a futanari
>>124126557Your brain is rotted by porn.
>finally enjoy Ravel:)
Bartokhttps://youtu.be/mZiDqpgRM8Q
Is there a good neobaroque composer?
>>124127780You're so gay
Trying out Andrew Davis' Messiah, gorgeous stuff!>>124127780That's a lovely image.
>>124128058always remember>Global Rule 13: Do not use avatars or attach signatures to your posts.
Sometimes I wake crying, crying cause I love counterpoint and theory so much
Is this really Bach? Minueto & Badinerie BWV 1067https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mtapozRYIfISomehow it doesn’t sound like him
>>124128123is like half a tone up and they sound amateur, but yeah it's bach
>>124126420>Liszt is the greatest composer for solo piano ever. He reached spiritual heights with his music for the instrument that have never been matched.That's Godowsky but it's still a nice piece. The harmonies and textures remind me of Tausig's "Ghost Ship" (though he was a pupil of Liszt's and all their harmonies sound the same).
>>124128152>That's Godowsky but it's still a nice pieceWe just making up names now? Kidding. So, uh, looking at pic, where do I start with him?
feels like a Missa Solemnis day. With an album cover like this, you just know it's gonna be a magnificent recording.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbav3JCqmF0&list=OLAK5uy_nU6KoTfZqEpBlD_bMLt2dUlbYlTQDhTMc&index=1
>>124128203Godowsky's Passacaglia on Schubert's theme is the "final boss".But I recommend starting with Java Suite and Suite for Left Hand Alone. The Waltz-poems for Left Hand Alone as well.
>>124128271Thank you.
Haydn: Symphony No. 64 Tempora mutanturhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh-bIpUv26c&ab_channel=symphony7526
>>124128284https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5128I-Wgm3EForgot this one too.
>>124128147I thought it sounded pretty good. It has lots of character
>>124128123i judge you to be fair and orderly for you see the participants are students of a women "professor" who also happens ot be black. in other words, you're hearing an attempt at subverting bach. these factors when combined enable an environment of rampant revisionism. all the more so when the tiny hats are involved.
>>124125645Buxtehude is the loaf of fresh bread and some roast beef or good cheese that costs less and you'd enjoy more
now playingstart of Smetana: Má Vlast, JB1:112https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlVdj-rXvOg&list=OLAK5uy_k0Hx2eJxu2nJWqMyP5VzbwMiwujDTeHKQ&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k0Hx2eJxu2nJWqMyP5VzbwMiwujDTeHKQ
>>124128549t. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzAmxHAXVRQ&ab_channel=aiautist
>>124128639Levine's a solid conductor with the capability for occasional greatness and rare transcendence.
dont mind me just posting a better vysehrad which is 100% free of the influence from levines and similar people of that ilkhttps://files.catbox.moe/m0lfje.mp3
>>124122679What's the Sylvester cat form?
>>124128720I'll check that one out. I'm surprised you didn't post Kubelik's.
>>124128711solid when it comes to children maybe
Puccinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogVVtqaH6yk
Camille Saint Saens Aquarium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyFpZ5MZ7kk&ab_channel=WROrchestra
>>124125645this is your brain in amerimutt
>>124128152>That's GodowskyGet fucked; not even top 10
>>124125645Tchaicovsky In n out
>Perhaps no other contemporary composer studied Beethoven's Middle and Late Quartets as did Cherubini, who both admired and understood them. Most others then living, regarded Beethoven's Late Quartets as the work of a madman. That Cherubini truly understood and profited from Beethoven's late work can clearly be seen in his Third String Quartet. No other contemporary chamber music work so closely approaches the profundity of Beethoven's Late Quartets as does Cherubini's String Quartet No.3.>The Quartet was composed in 1834 and is in four movements. From the very opening notes of the Allegro commodo, we hear the depth of thought. A short recitative in the first violin is answered by the cello before the noble and boldly rhythmic main theme makes its entrance. The second subject is pure Italian melody with an unusual rhythmic accompaniment giving the music an almost Spanish flavor. The second movement, Larghetto sostenuto, might be an aria from an Italian opera. The lovely bel canto melody is given a very expressive accompaniment. In the third movement, Scherzo, allegro, one can tell that Cherubini had Beethoven as his model--and not the Op.18 quartets which was all that Reicha or Onslow could understand--but the Late Quartets. The serious and syncopated main theme is given to the cello and viola to introduce. There is a brash energy to it. The middle section features a polonaise. The finale, Allegro risoluto, although in the major, nonetheless, maintains the sense of energy of the previous movement and adds to it a sense of powerful struggle.>This quartet is an unqualified masterpiece.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9MTWWTR-aY
>>124129184very interesting, i was unaware of this. recommended recordings?
>>124129216Hausmusik London did an excellent job with all six of his quartets
>>124125623no title
>>124129230will seek them out, thanks.
>>124129235cry about it
Philip Glass Symphony 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YF1Q20aexE&ab_channel=Past_notes
>>124129184>>124129230Sold.
Shostakovich Cello Concerto no. 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtrZyXGn8EY&list=OLAK5uy_kMJWQn_TA0Ro0FCDHUnZJvK1mKOQlrDG0&index=5
How come most recorder players seem to be women?
>>124129390wut? They're not even 50% lol
Gorgeous stuff.start of Beethoven: String Quartet No. 14 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 131 (Arr. Mitropoulos for String Orchestra)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWCRkLuMgMY&list=OLAK5uy_kDtyAmNthEgcbQH1gwcVsnqppfiram450&index=1>In Dinner with Lenny, his book-length interview conducted during the last year of Bernstein’s life, Jonathan Cott pressed the maestro to nominate one among his hundreds of recordings that was most special to him. Bernstein chose the transcription for string orchestra of Beethoven’s String Quartet in C-sharp minor, Op. 131, as “my personal favorite record that I’ve ever made in my life.” Recorded in 1977 with the Vienna Philharmonic’s string section, it’s paired with a transcription of Beethoven’s final quartet, Op. 135, also with the Vienna players in 1989, on a Deutsche Grammophon release.>[...]>In particular, Bernstein held onto Mitropoulos’ edition of Op. 131, from which the Greek conductor had prepared the string-orchestra version that figured on one of his Boston programs—Bernstein also attended the rehearsals. He later used it for his famous Beethoven cycle with the Vienna Philharmonic.>Bernstein even made the extraordinary gesture of dedicating his recording to his wife, Felicia Cohn Montealegre, who was dying at the time—“the only record I’ve ever dedicated to anyone,” Bernstein told Cott. “And I had to fight with the Vienna Philharmonic string players to get them to do it.” He added: “You can’t understand any Mahler unless you understand this piece, which moves and stabs—and with its floating counterpoint.”https://stringsmagazine.com/leonard-bernstein-at-100/
>>124129456>(Arr. Mitropoulos for String Orchestra)heh rubbing salt to the wound
>>124129456retarded narcissistic faggot takes a fat shit all over the one genre of music he can’t bastardize—chamber music.
>>124129524whoa now take it easy there champ
>>124129550it’s just a fact of the matter
>>124129497Masters of picking your pocket while stabbing you in the back.
>>124129390you misspelled "retarded"
>>124127780>Is there a good neo--No. Neo-anything is immediately, absolutely, irrevocably trash. I'd rather listen to Stockhausen's random fucking weedleweedle than any of that unimaginative, retrovivalist, bland, soulless muzak. Utterly creatively bankrupt copouts.
What's Debussy's best solo piano work?
>>124129456>You can’t understand any Mahler unless you understand this piece
>>124129456first it was levine then solti, another levine, glass, shostakovich and now bernstein. no doubt this will be the first confrontation of your life dealing with propriety, but the following must stated. the attitude you have expressed itt is symptomatic of a much deeper and systemic issue, in particular the issue of autonomy.
What do we think of Mahler's Beethoven reorchestrations
>>124129726I've never posted Glass in my life.
>>124129749typical jewish behavior
>>124129749very intelligent and idiomatic, though perhaps not as necessary as his schumann reorchestrations.
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXwKqgYm5ms
Hisato Ohzawa Kamikaze concerto (no 3)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MhlDVH3UWI&list=PLkmYwCzukwGxjXYOl_GxFyi-fzEYBZH1f&ab_channel=EkaterinaSaranceva-Topic
>>124129672Claire De Lune
>>124129765>>124129767Which one of you is sisterspammer
>>124129845I suspect these two are >>124129524>>124129614the sisterposter ban evading after going sister postal
>>124129672the Préludes, duh
>>124129867I was just making a joke about women performers being retarded; don't lump me into your schizo debates
>>124129867thank you schizo sister
>>124129749Waiting on a recording by a conductor I recognize and like before listening to them. Check out the Schumann ones, recorded by both Alsop and Chailly, in the meantime.
>>124129749"we" don't
>>124129885Misogyny is never funny anon
>>124129902be quiet
The Chopin preludes in C minor and the Nocturnes. So much better than the waltzes
>>124129911What a daring, original, brave, unique stance to take
>>124129704Jewish wordsalad
>>124129893yeah, no major conductors have done the mahler beethoven reorchestrations yet, it’s odd.
>>124129920Thank you
>>124129911Duh. However, the Waltzes are still great and better suited for a more cheerful, upbeat, chirpy mood, so I honestly listen to them more often whenever I listen to Chopin these days.
>>124129726What are you talking about anon?
>>124129911Chopin's preludes and ballades are absolute peak of piano music and I will never change my mind on this, and I'm open about anything else, regardless of topic (music, politics, etc).
>>124129965It's the anti-semitic schizo anon, that should be your clue.
>>124125623https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIm3sb8oyiE [Embed]how the fuck did Bach even do it? what's the best source on advanced counterpoint?
>>124129997Thorough bass
>>124129911some of them sure, but not all of themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgNN7-Do_vA
>>124129789Spellbinding.
>>124130004please explain.
>>124129981I don't really understand what this means>. no doubt this will be the first confrontation of your life dealing with propriety, but the following must stated. the attitude you have expressed itt is symptomatic of a much deeper and systemic issue, in particular the issue of autonomy.Also I think there might be more than one anti semite on 4chan
>>124130022I don't know thorough bass well enough to lecture you, read the wikipedia page, basics are pretty simple to grasp.
>>124129157Not very familiar with Godowsky, I see, but that's alright, it explains the petulant outburst of profanity.I'll grant that there are maybe 2 or 3 other contenders for the number 1 spot, depending on your musical sensibilities.The thing with Godowsky is that there is simply no other composer for modern solo piano who managed to stack up to 3 lines of florid romantic-style textures in EACH hand, and who possessed the innate compositional talent and sheer experience with the sonorities and physical properties of the instrument to weave them into contrapunctally sound, fine-tuned structures of soul-shaking power and spellbinding emotional richness.He was not so good as an originator of melody and theme, in my opinion (but then again, I can think of few good melodists post-Chopin outside of the Russians). That's his one weakness: he didn't possess the gift of a great long-form symphonic composer like Mozart, so his massive sonata is somewhat obtuse and overwrought. So he often relies on the musical material of others (Bach, Chopin, Schubert) for his themes and is better-known as a transcriber that pure composer. But as an engineer and technician of musical structures for the piano, he could have won a Nobel prize.When it comes to dance form, variation form: I don't think he has an equal in the literature.Godowsky single-handedly pioneered a whole new school of both piano technique and composition which the "academy" is yet to catch up with 100 years later. He brought out the full biomechanical capacities of the hand within the context of piano technique to their absolute limit, and unlike, say, Mereaux, was able to craft musical material for it at a commensurate level.Show me someone else who can compose something just as rich, delicate, sensitive, and playable by one person on a piano:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjqzU2QLv0c
>>124130025anon is unwittingly promoting performances and composers whose pattern becomes apparent with even the slightest of glances. it was my suggestion that he, through years of targeted advertisements and propaganda, has been inducted and enrolled into an organization that he subconsciously promotes and, in doing so, trades his individuality in favor of its framework.
>>124130025He's saying my taste and entire being have been captured by the Jewish art music complex, that I've been fooled into thinking they have produced anything worthwhile and my soul has been is held prisoner in their spiritual cave. Something like that.And yes but he has a very particular way of writing.
>>124130043Godowsky not even top ten of the past 150 years
Debussy's female choral work on Nocturnes is supreme. Beats everything Beethoven, Mozart or Mahler ever did. Such beauty can only witnessed in Debussy's music.
>>124130072Oh I seeAHHH0
>>124130082calm down, woman
>>124129997Sounds like junk
>>124130082Debussy's music is too diffuse for my own liking, but I respect it.
>>124130082is this a random youtube comment you just copypasted orrr>>124130102the diffuseness is part of the charm I think
>>124129967my condolences>>124130072look, the schizo has found a pattern in the numbers. >>124130082the bussy? sounds gay.
>>124130072Well, I didn't know Solti was one, so, uh, thanks. Doesn't change anything about who I like to listen to though.
>>124129726Shostakovich wasn't Jewish. I know he was strongly against antisemitism though
>>124130207Maybe he wasn't but his music sure was
>>124130249>Maybe he wasn't but his music sure wasInteresting that his music, as a non-Jew, was suppressed by the Soviet government, whereas Feinberg (a Jew) got the Stalin Prize, and his music sounded like this:https://youtu.be/nCslDmwzWhE?si=bX4M4tlmru-D6Z68&t=985
>>124130302>Interesting that his music, as a non-Jew, was suppressed by the Soviet government,frankly, if i were the soviet government, i'd be repressing his music too.
>>124130302Feinberg was just aping Scriabin, though, which is infinitely better than Shotakonbitch's shitass music
>>124130350True story: when he finished his preludes and fugues, Shostakovich played them in front of the official group of Soviet composers, and they didn't like his dissonances.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raAWx2r-htE&list=OLAK5uy_n53KugJbdm8FQBY9KOiGqHzf7UMR7zU6Q
>>124130399>dissonancesjewsic confirmed
>>124130399wtf i love the soviets now
>>124129704Maybe it's because I have some brain fog currently but I have no clue what Adorno means with this quote, at least the first part, which is necessary to understand as a precursor to the flipped second.
>>124130416be careful you don't fall for the soviet realism meme or it will be game over for your ability to tell good music from trash>>124130424Adorno is literal edgy contrarian nonsense and not worth trying to make sense of
>>124130399>labelling the work as an example of formalismBut the formalism is not there, voice leading rules are not fully realized (which is a good thing of course - one must always break rules in art for good OR bad). The fugues themselves are beautiful and rightfully praised today.
>>124130445>be careful you don't fall for the soviet realism memeoh no, i'm not THAT stupid. i'm allowed to agree with them on this just this once though. >>124130490it's literally the same musically illiterate dunce defending these dogshit fugues every single thread lmao
>>124130504Thank you comrade sisterposter
>>124130504>if you enjoy nore things than i do then YOU are musically illiterate
>the composer wrote this work when he was still a teenagerInto the Recycle Bin it goes. Next!(Mendelssohn's Octet, for one)
>>124130529no, if you're yapping about "breaking the rules" all the time you're probably a musically illiterate idiot.
>>124130533...why? What's the point of your post?
>>124130543I'm not yapping about "breaking the rules" alll the time, it was relevant in this context.
>>124130546Making fun of myself for subconsciously being affected by learning a piece was composed in a composer's adolescence. It shouldn't, but it does, making me view the piece with a hint of suspicion and skepticism.
>>124130556yes, it is indeed relevant to you being a musically illiterate ignoramus.
>>124129726It depends which Jew I guess. You've got like Schoenberg who is total bollocks only loved by German music teachers. On the other hand you have Steve Reich and Philip Glass who wrote some of the best music of all time.
>>124130602bait is supposed to believable
>>124130604Tranny Jannies are meant to shut the fuck up
Shostakovich might as well be the final boss of music judging by its filtering power. I've never witnessed filtration of ths level.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGoxfQ2H3ns
>>124130620obsessed schizos are supposed to be medicated.
So what's the best recording of the orchestral version of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition? It's got like a thousand recordings. Seems like one of those pieces where most performances are good without any substantial difference, but I've only heard a few.
>>124130668Skip along now sister
>>124129926Steinberg's 9th uses the Mahler reorchestration iirc
>>124130663Have you head the string orchestra version of that work, aka Chamber Symphony op. 110a?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjeyUPuqXyEVery good.
>>124130663filtered by my sewage filter, yes. >>124130715meds now schizo
Are there any evil sounding classical pieces?
>>124130687https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkJUpu5ab-4
>>124130727Nope, but I'll listen to it first thing in the morning.
>>124130721yeah, i feel like i've heard about this before. too bad the other orchestrations of the beethoven symphonies seem completely forgotten though. in fact i'm not even sure how many beethoven symphonies mahler orchestrated aside from the 3rd, 7th and 9th.
>>124130729hop along now
>>124130731As I said in the last thread, a lot of Shostakovich sounds like that to me.Cello Concerto no. 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgFP-BlKq3MSymphony no. 5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fCmbe55Ykcand this one:>>124130727>>124130663And more.
>>124130731I just posted one >>124130663Bit it's more terrifying and schizophrenic than evil I'd say. Scriabin's Sonatas are probably what you're looking for. Especially the late ones.
>>124130782antipsychotics now
>>124130731Bartók - The Miraculous Mandarinhttps://youtu.be/UlcnJd5QNvY
>>124130775The recenr Michael Francis recording has them all I think
>>124130731Oh and Liszt's Transcendental Etudes, and of his other stuff. And as >>124130795 said, Scriabin, particularly his Black Mass piano sonata and maybe the Poem of Ecstasy.
>>124130788he said evil not rancid>>124130814yeah, but then he's not exactly a big name conductor. see what i mean? good to know the extent of mahler's work in reorchestration though.
Top 3 evil composers? My take:>Bartok>Scriabin>ChopinYes I am joking about the last one, it's probably Prokofiev
>>124130836Guess you'll have to record them someday.
TChai Pas De Deuxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5USHu6D6U&ab_channel=thiagoblanco
>>124130853probably. i don't know if orchestras/labels would be resistant to such a thing or if the marketing people would be all over it.
>>124130731This is what they ballroom dance to in Hell:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Loud6FguK_g&list=OLAK5uy_kNgx8Iga49-zft3t1Ze0b41oscT1fqZvc&index=1I mean it's in the name!
You may bring 1 (one) composer back to life, in return he may write a new piece for you or finish an unifinished work. Who wil it be?
>>124130914If your answer isn't Brahms' 5th Symphony or Mahler's 11th, I don't even wanna know you.
>>124130914Chopin or Mozart. It'd be hard to decide.
>>124130914probably either beethoven with his 10th or the projected "oratorio on the ancient modes" or mahler's 10th. >>124130937brahms was never planning a 5th, so that's too far into the territory of pure speculation.
>>124130950>brahms was never planning a 5thAs in he was just working on other forms in his final years or he made a comment stating he was done with the symphonic form for the near future? I guess I can understand if he felt happy letting his 3rd and 4th represent his final thoughts on the matter, at least for the time being.
>>124131008as in i’m not aware of any statement from him announcing or any sketches for a 5th symphony.
>>124130914there's an anime with this included in its plot. unfortunately, it's only got three episodes.
>>124127780maho sexoooo
>>124130914Mozart, Beethoven or Schubert
>>124130846there is nothing evil about Bartók.
>>124130663Well, Shostakovich plays with clichés most of the time, I find. It's like olive oil, when you have a second and even third pressing, and I think of Shostakovich as the second, or even third, pressing of Mahler.I think, with Shostakovich, people are influenced by the autobiographical dimension of his music.I also heard the first cello concerto twice over the years, and I am not saying that it made me physically sick or anything like that, but Tchaikovsky was more radical than Shostakovich. I heard the Fifth Symphony a few years back here in Chicago; it is so conventional. And Symphony Fifteen, this business of long quotes from Rossini, what a poor excuse for some imagination. If we are to play Shostakovich, why not Hindemith?You know, in the history of music, there are composers without whom the face of music would be completely different, and composers whom if they had never existed, it would have made no difference whatsoever.
>>124130914Scriabin, to finish this:https://youtu.be/V4YSysUn-Bk?si=O1PJvbx4m_eM5Ktg
Wagner is the greatest.
>>124131422boulez may have been a horrific composer, but he was basically always on point with his critiques.
Boulez on other composers:He accused Schoenberg, after his death, of the “most ostentatious and obsolete romanticism.” Webern was “too simple.” Berg suffered from “bad taste,” Ravel from “affectation.” Twelve-tone music in its extant form was overrun by “number-fanatics” who engaged in “frenetic arithmetic masturbation.” Boulez’s teacher, Olivier Messiaen, produced “brothel music.” John Cage, who was at one time an ally of Boulez, became a “performing monkey,” and Karlheinz Stockhausen, likewise, a “hippie.” The American minimalists displayed a “supermarket aesthetic,” the American serialists had a “cashier’s point of view.” Brahms was a “bore,” Tchaikovsky “abominable,” Verdi “stupid, stupid, stupid!” And so on.
>>124131478What about as a conductor?
>>124131575he got worse as time went on if you ask me.
>>124131590I think I half agree. He was certainly less uncompromising as he grew, but I do wonder how much of my perception is affected by that god-awful sound he was receiving from his switch to DG. I've heard contemporary live recordings of his Mahler for instance, and they aren't nearly as bad as his recordings on DG.
>>124131750yeah, i’m sure my opinion is being tinted by the fact that half of his DG recordings have that fucking awful 4D sound.
>>124131020Johannes told me different.
>>124131769>>124131750I thought one of the selling points of a lot of his DG stuff is their high quality production.
>Brahms architectural musical skill is nowhere more evident than in his fourth and final symphony, employing Baroque contrapuntal techniques and chromatic labyrinths and described by Hans von Bülow as having the feeling of being given a beating by two incredibly intelligent people.KEK WHAT!?
>>124131873yeah, it's called a "selling" point for a reason; because it's used as marketing fluff. basis in reality not included.
>>124130846LisztoScriabinoBergo
now playingstart of Martinu: Fantaisies symphoniques (Symphony No. 6) , H. 343https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A581_s6k5k&list=OLAK5uy_mRiIxh38TkAk9RtG0a9nvWV4yXI7xV4C0&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mRiIxh38TkAk9RtG0a9nvWV4yXI7xV4C0
Does a compelte recording of Franz von Suppé's Ein Morgen, ein Mittag und ein Abend in Wien not even exist? Only the overture? I know it was a play, but he composed several songs for it.
>>124132115Such strange music.
Any Halloween-y sounding classical? I feel like there has to be stuff out there that originated the goofy "haunted house" motifs used in old movies and cartoons.
>>124132263https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=zpMdr9nBJc0
>>124132263Check replies to >>124130731
the vagner meme
dvorak
why has franz von soup been ignored?
>>124132668do you want to listen to soup? well, neither do i!
>mogs your favorite composerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIvWjI4PrJw
>>124132734i kneel
>>124132301Being sinister alone isn't really what I mean. Like is there anything similar to this but for Halloween:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPsOZUMB3NA
>>124131511https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_-qQ78qztQ&t=296https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-FjOPB4w2ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4wuV14QlNM
>>124132807meant for:>>124132263
>>124132263>>124132780https://youtu.be/rjNDY2SJ-0Y?si=aMWU2tfx_80C7Jyv
>>124129390It takes the least air support of any instrument
>>124132780not too sure. give me some time to find something.
>>124132780Perhaps:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMwJSI7qC3Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX6AfyY6a-8https://youtu.be/6gCj62KHG0g?si=Bwl4bVdVjr_eZGag&t=10
Verdi's Requiem must have really blown people's minds when it premiered and thereafter as folks saw it for the first time.
now playingstart of R. Strauss: Vier letzte Liederhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzYtOK2q3qw&list=OLAK5uy_mrwdbKWn1ntk_3jNzjWNltxPFMibuvRK0&index=2start of Wagner: Wesendonck Lieder, WWV 91https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbpSVqccchs&list=OLAK5uy_mrwdbKWn1ntk_3jNzjWNltxPFMibuvRK0&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mrwdbKWn1ntk_3jNzjWNltxPFMibuvRK0
>>124133289it's mindblowingly boring, yeah
>>124133024Liszt would have killed it writing scores for horror and giant monster movies
>>124133546https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6cogix3cwQ&ab_channel=MetropolitanOperaYeah what a snoozfest-I can't think of anything more boring
>>124132780I'm not aware of any Halloween suites or something along those lines in the standard repertoire.
>>124133571>loud = interestingi wish i were so easily impressed
>loud = interesting>i wish i were so easily impressed
>>124133556yeah. This is basically a pastiche of Liszt:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCNFEK1Auic
>>124125645I AM FAT FUCKI AM SO FAT I EAT COMPOSERSIMAGINE BEING SO FAT YOU HEAR MUSIC AND TASTE FOOD
>>124133363that recording has my absolute favorite Tristan prelude.
>>124133733Good to know. I was only gonna listen to the lieders but I'll definitely stay for the orchestral pieces now.
>>124133621this isn’t the right board for selfies, maybe try >>>/soc/ instead>>124133713imagine being hear music
>>124132734my crippling depression: annihilated
>>124133546I could understand calling it contrived, obnoxious, hell even cheesy, but boring? You do you I guess.
>>124133824>imagine being hear musicGood day sir
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwQaCIX90qU&list=OLAK5uy_kk9krDnytsssdkFZD6XEs8frPDuEjty3M>>124133571shlomosister's sex life
>In 1939, Klemperer began to suffer from serious balance problems.[54] A potentially fatal brain tumour was diagnosed and he travelled to Boston for an operation to remove it.[55] The operation was successful, but left him lame and partly paralysed on his right side.[16] He had long had bipolar disorder (in the parlance of the time he was "manic depressive")[56] and after the operation he went through an intense manic phase of the illness, which lasted for nearly three years and was followed by a long spell of severe depression.[55]>In 1941, after he walked out of a mental sanatorium in Rye, New York, the local police put out a bulletin, describing him as "dangerous and insane". He was found two days later in Morristown, New Jersey and appeared composed. A doctor who examined him said he was "temperamental and unstrung" but not dangerous, and he was released.[22] The board of the Los Angeles Philharmonic terminated his contract, and his subsequent appearances were few, and seldom with prestigious ensembles, in Los Angeles or elsewhere.[22] As her father struggled to support the family from his modest fees, Lotte worked in a factory to bring in some money.[57]Damn. >The conductor's subsequent appearances were few, and often involved minor musical organizations. In 1946, he left the United States for Budapest, where he was appointed musical director of the opera.>With the help of recordings, his career again appeared on the ascendant, but in 1951, while arriving for an appearance in Montreal, he fell while getting off the plane and broke his hip. Until 1955, when he found he could stand again, his conducting was done from a wheel chair.Damn!
>>124133843i’ve heard the verdi requiem more times than i’ve heard the brahms haydn variations, and yet i can recite the haydn variations from memory while i couldn’t tell you what happens in any movement of the verdi requiem past the tuba mirum.
>>124133849>he doesn't know
>>124130731>evil soundingNothing. The people posting examples are either unironical faggots who go actually go "eek" out loud and jump on chairs when they see mice, eyes closed and arms flailing in the most cartoonishly homosexual way possible, or barely literate tweens who still wet the bed and have an emotional connection to a worn plushie that they carry everywhere and chew on when mommy and daddy fight in front of them.
>>124131402There's nothing evil about any of them.>Prokofievprobably the softest of them all. Music AND person. I wouldn't be surprised to find that he'd let you punch his jiraffe-ass face without offering any resistance other than the slavic equivalent of "please! y-you wouldn't punch a man with glasses!"
>>124130914I'd bring back Wagner so that he may see what he has caused to happen in the 20th century. And no, I don't just mean the obvious nazis, or the JewAssAy-brand films glorifying crueltyI on the innocent. I mean trannies. And this general.
>>124131511He basically admitted to being an edgy contrarian as some sort of moral principle. The man wrote interesting music for a short period, but his opinions are literally performance. Stop paying attention to him, even after he fucking finally died.
>>124135045just say "I have IED" and be done with it
>>124131890do youspeakenglishfriend
>>124135080>or the JewAssAy-brand films glorifying crueltyI on the innocent.?
>>124135101I'm not a terrorist
>>124135101he has an improvised explosive device???
>>124130731Sorabji
>>124135110>>>/pol/
>>124135119>>124135120>Intermittent explosive disorder (IED) is an impulse-control disorder characterized by sudden episodes of unwarranted anger. The disorder is typified by hostility, impulsivity, and recurrent aggressive outbursts.
fuck EVERYBODY POSTING RIGHT NOW JUST SHUT UP, SHUT THE FUCK UPJohn Field's Nocturneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdh_3GM6chA
>>124135130Anon what the fuck are you talking aboutdid you forget your meds again
>>124135136In the light of that, none of your posts make sense. Thank you for clarifying that we were being given nonsense to work with.
>>124135145I'm just saying calm down, man. If you need to vent then try /pol/, that's what it's there for: Emotionally compromised spazzing.
>>124135154>none of your posts make sensethere was only one post to make sense of beforehand, why the plural
>>124135164but I'm not angry, I'm just asking what you're talking about with "films glorifying crueltyI on the innocent."
>>124135125i don’t think faggot pajeets are evil, just very very stinky.
>>124135169;)
>>124135045this scares me:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iVYu5lyX5M
>>124135242have you tried realising mice can't hurt you
>>124128058>>124128073>>124129643>>124131339Wow... Thanks for the useful recommendationsEither way, to better elaborate, is there a composer from any post-baroque period that composes in baroque forms while adhering to the styles of his time?
>>124135142Good post
>>124135254>Either way, to better elaborate, is there a good neobaroque composerNo. This matter has already been settled, avatarposter
>>124135254I can do you one better and give you neorenaissance modes adhering to the style of his timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECkwsfzDUIbut yeah the answer is no to neobaroque or neoclassical or neoromanticism
>>124129643neo-romanticism is the future and final form of classical music. get with the times or fuck off.
>>124135279Modernist wankery is preferrable to insubstantial retrorevivalist muzak. This matter has already been settled, avatarposter.
>>124135290Suck my dick, Langgaard, go cry and write some derivative schlop about it
>>124135282wtf this is unironically good
>>124135282Thanks, and that's a bummer.
>>124135290not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/mu/ instead?
>>124135293Nothing wrong with thinking "damn music of my time fucking sucks, we have to go back"
>>124135279modernist and post-modernist techniques fail on their own. from these failures it has been learned that their true purpose is to extend the palate of Romanticism.
>>124135290You're not wrong: Neo-whatever, possibly especially neoromanticism, IS the final form of music: Unimaginative, retro-revivalist, bland, flavourless, soulless. creatively bankrupt muzak.
>>124135298I'm unable to since you are a tranny who cut off his own penis.
>>124135254>>124135282There IS literally just one good example, thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcuPVgpUKKs
>>124135318time to take your pills, Mr. Williams, you're expected at the jew mass production studio very early tomorrow to churn out more pointless schlop for the brainwashed masses to fawn over
>>124135328>t-tranny ;_;nice one, schizo
>>124135325at least 99.99% of great music remains unwritten and lost in the oceans of neo-romanticism.
>>124135342you only hate Williams because of his career in the film industry. If he wrote and published the same music while being some random hillbilly who lived in a shed, you would call Williams an "underrated master".
>>124135337>just one.lol. lmao even.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeXEP7VzQqo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0267kksPE38Thoughts?
Brünhilde, standing to Wotan in a daughter-anima relationship, is clearly revealed here as the symbolical or spiritual mother of Siegfried, thus confirming the psychological rule that the first carrier of the anima-image is the mother. Siegfried says:Then death took not my mother?Was the loved one but sleeping?The mother-imago, at first identical with the anima, represents the feminine aspect of the hero himself. Brünhilde tells him as much in the words:Thine own self am IIn the bliss of thy love!As the anima she is the mother-sister-wife, and as the preexistent archetype she has always loved him:O Siegfried, Siegfried!Conquering light!Always I have loved thee,For I alone divinedWotan’s hidden thought-The thought which I neverDared to name,Which I dared not think,Which I only felt,For which I fought,Struggled and strove,For which I defiedHim who conceived it.…Canst thou not guess?It was naught but my love for thee!The anima-image brings with it still other aspects of the mother-imago, amongst others those of water and submersion:A glorious floodBefore me rolls.With all my sensesI only seeIts buoyant, gladdening billows.…I long to plungeMy burning heatIn the water’s balm;Just as I amTo sink in the flood.O that its billowsMight drown me in bliss!The water represents the maternal depths and the place of rebirth; in short, the unconscious in its positive and negative aspects.
>>124135354Based and true.
Any good non-Bach composers of fugue?
>>124135916check out Seixas, Spohr, Alfred Hill, and Christopher Gunning.>>124135667Telemann and Cherubini
>>124136017I shall listen to them, thanks.
>>124135916maho sexo
Wagner... come back to me!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-1tVRE1LUI love how Egarr brings out the horns a lot. Any non-HIP conductor that does that to the same extend?
Why did composers get so obsessed with sonata form for like 2 centuries?
>>124136536what a doltish question. You evidently don't know what sonata form is.
Such intellectual depth and profundity, such aristocratic prowess, the world we live in, the movies we watch, the video games, all should fall under and be attributed to Wagner's legacy. He came into this world empty handed and left it with beauty and richness, with culture and progress... he was a man chosen by nature herself, his brilliance and achievement that bestowed upon him rewards from Gods. He is more important than sophists like Muhammad and Christ.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0QsSCPoa0w
>>124136580You introduce a buncha melodies, put them together
>>124136592how do I write like Wagner?
Wagner proved that Artists are greater than Prophets. The prophet might fool the masses, but the artist will destroy and remake them in some higher craft. Culture and Art is the highest good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaW_5qqCjCA
>>124136630 how do I write like Wagner?
>>124136626>>124136642Imagine like... A mahler symphony but like... With words...
>>124136650MEHler is garbage.
>>124136677Best composer ever
Burn down this entire world. Purge it clean from all sophistry, from the shackles of laws and finance, bare humanity to Art. Expose man to the flame of Prometheus and the carnival of Bacchus. Numb all reasoning and ambition, drug the mind with higher carnal expression. Legalize orgies, public masturbation and make it mandatory to wear Togas or wear nothing at all. You will participate or you will be drowned in wine. https://youtu.be/guKdhAlp-Kc?si=aMJpXnglkkHKqlwr&t=315
I don't believe in a god who can't dance.
>>124136693Wagner was a Nordicist though.
>>124136726and an esoteric Lutheran too but seeing as 4chan is now mostly brown I doubt few people here would understand what that means.
>>124136759please explain.
>>124136711That god who can dance line sounds like something a girl would put on her tumblr profile in 2014. Not Nietzsche's best moment.
>>124137213Wagner broke Nietzsche. many such cases.
Wagner raped us.
>>124137247Strauss was a second-rate rapist.
Wagner's music is so confrontational. Even in his photographs his gaze is so penetrative. You just know from the first notes he's ready to ravish you. No composer comes at you with more force and leaves you begging for more. Just brutal. He keeps going and going until the flower of womanhood blossoms within your bud. If he were around today he would be the biggest Alpha in the My Little Pony fandom.
Wagner is the "One".
Just what kind of a pussy did Nietzsche tap? I refuse to believe his introspective abilities did not rise from a dangerous prostitute he bedded.
>>124137302Wagner drove him to insanity, sickness, and death. many such cases.
>>124136650You mean Mahler 8?
>>124130445I think Prokofiev struck a good balancehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvhI4Ifithc>>124130731https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNQFOpYC0BY
>>124137499https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Cowell#Imprisonment
>>124137534Wow this one paragraph explains so much about modern music.>Cage>friend and teacherLooks like Ives was still based though.
>>124137587yeah. many people in the American avant-garde were faggots, socialists, and Jews.
>>124135440If he were a random hillbilly who lived in a shed, he would rot in obscurity as a derivative composer if not downright exposed as a plagiarist.At best he's a glorified sound producer/music supervisor who picks works by classical composers to match the spirit of movies and scenes, and sufficiently alters them: an avenue which would not be available to him without the film industry.
What are some composers besides mehler and beethoven who wrote symphonies of 50+ minutes?
>>124138180Bruckner.
>>124138180Sorabji
>>124138180Shostakovich (it's shit)
Is there any full (4 movements) Mozart 40th with a basso continuo essamble? I am pretty sure this practice was falling out fo fashion at the time the symphony was written, but I've heard Jupiter symphony and I enjoy the sense of "greatness" the classical orchestra achieve with a harpsichord or any other B.C. instrument.Asking the same than in HIP because none of you cunts have good taste and use such an apendix of this general.
>>124138180Shostakovich (it's great)
>>124138180Rachmaninoff's 2nd is 1 hour long. (It is also the best symphony ever written)
New thread>>124138844
Porporahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csIAWnVgRBM&list=OLAK5uy_ljhZovaTUM9PmjUJIft-tf3bJKl5IS5yI
Actual new>>124139025>>124139025>>124139025
>>124139030ugh dont do this
>>124135495put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>124134379That's a fair point. I quite like it and all I can remember is it goes from quiet to loud and back a bunch of times lol. Seems like there are only like five choral works you even like though.
>>124139186your accusations have no weight sister you are illiterate
>>124139186>>124139342Just get married at this point
>>124139374Not even married couples talk directly to each other this much.
>>124135354>>124135440this is your brain on neotripe
>>124136017>Spohr>lesser knownto you, maybe
