Day 7 of consistent song practice. Longest streak of the year. Finished learning dearly beloved this morning. Going to try finish learning 1000 miles or it ends tonight. 1000 miles is really hard for me. I can't get the fun part of the song down and that's what really kills me. Cause it sounds really fun to play.

did this instead of sleep lol
https://vocaroo.com/1os0m92J3qpg

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it's some random persons iphone footage of dj hype through delay and more delay and a little more delay

https://vocaroo.com/1UpfpS5crlET

Is anyone else afraid of opening their DAW because it feels like you're making a mess inside your computer? All the potentially impure wav files, midi clips.. adding clutter to the mountain that weighs you down from being able to do anything.

>>124144977
no dude that's weird
you're weird

>>124144986
I don't know what it is. Another thing could be that Live is installed on my desktop PC that makes fan noise, so I don't turn it on compared to my always-on laptop without fans.

made two tracks today.

>house
>electronic

https://vocaroo.com/1oe91ReyPuzf

https://vocaroo.com/1aqmEBtARWWj

I get error when i use ohmicide

>>124145062
That's a lot for a day. Keep up the good work.

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losing at LIFE :(((

https://vocaroo.com/1dxcDB47aZHr

>>124146509
but with no life, more time to /prod/

>>124146509
goddammm. Always an inspiration, senpai.
Have you listened to Magic Pony Ride?

>>124146804
This is not encouraging!

>>124146866
Nahh I never got into u zip t b h, maybe I’ll give that a listen soon

Notice to fellow hoarders: some guy on DoA just posted links to a massive lossless break collection.
>>124146982
>never got into u zip t b h
:( He does keep things simpler and more straightforward than your style. If you are going to try him again, I think Lunatic Harness might be the better choice, but that could be nostalgia speaking.

spent way too long getting distracted on these and they both ended up a waste of time. I'm really bad at [spoiler]makingmusic[/spoiler] revisiting the parts I do like for later, so I hope I can just use this as a learning experience
https://vocaroo.com/1eVeSRJv9v8x
https://vocaroo.com/1i2eziwEtNRc

>>124147878
>https://vocaroo.com/1eVeSRJv9v8x
Quick! Pass the DEET!

Nah, but fr, they're cool.

>>124147878
I don't think they are a waste
Maybe not %100 polished yet but both have parts that sound really cool, you should keep working on them!

nobody replies to my songs because they are already perfect with nothing even possible to try and critique, right /prod/?

>>124147878
>https://vocaroo.com/1i2eziwEtNRc
Based on what you said I went in with low expectations, but I agree with >>124148027 that they are a little rough, but worth polishing (or salvaging for later as you said). First one felt a bit lacklustre to me, but I enjoyed the second one and found it kind of hypnotic.

What's kind of turntable can I use to sample vinyl? I'm being asked what I want for holiday and that's the only thing I can think of. Every vinyl I own i already have the flac for on my phone, so I can just run it through my 404. However I'd like to use some of my vinyl for something other than my hobby of collecting shit i like.

>>124147156
>DoA
if i get nothing done today it's your fault
if this leads to something today i'm taking all the credit (jokes thanks)

which version sounds better:

ver 1
https://voca.ro/1c8Cyw500eu4


ver 2
https://voca.ro/1l2qGGXIGJBE

>>124151976
for me the second one

btw what is that sample pack? i hear these drums a lot in mainstream house nowadays

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>>124152046
cheers
it's this one

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>>124151976
>>124152067
is the song just samples from that pack stuck together? I mean it sounds decent (2nd one gets my vote also), but is this satisfying to make? Do people actually just use whole shit from bought sample packs where everything just fits together like a musical jigsaw puzzle and then say they made a song? Or is it more that you get a sample pack and might only use drum loops from it and then everything else is stuff you create in synths or from other vsts or whatever? I'm fairly beginner so I'm not even trying to be hostile or snarky, just curious how you can make something that you really want to like this

>>124152168
NTA But nobody actually cares where the samples are from. Really, nobody.

>>124152191
That’s true but that’s not really the point being made

>>124152168
I just mentally filter these posts out and I highly doubt anybody who enjoys this type of music cares desu

>>124152207
So what's the point? There's literally nothing wrong with using most drums from the same sample pack, they've been made to work with one another. Nobody cares.

>>124152219
He asked if you found that satisfying to make.

If you’re artistically “painting by numbers” in a coloring book the question of both ownership, creativity and artistic merit are immediately called into question.
Some people obviously use those lines as a guide, manipulate or combine and so on or get genuinely creative with given puzzle pieces.
There are like a billion examples of creative uses where most people would otherwise create slop.

Yeah DUH some people will still consume that slop and nobody cares, but that type of stuff is interchangeable and will be quickly forgotten.

No I didn’t listen

>>124152263
I'm not the guy who made it.
>coloring book
What kind of retarded comparison is this? NOBODY cares what drum samples you used. If it sounds good, use it. Being this autistic about sound only means you're never gonna get anywhere.
The amount of artists ripping (read: sampling) whateverthefuck from popular songs is staggeringly high.

>>124152219
The producer should care because they're depriving themselves of the growth that comes from not using shortcuts.

>>124152271
Let me guess, you're a hip hop guy

>>124152276
If you're a beginner, sure, if you ever want to release a track know that nobody gives a flying fuck. Drums are drums, if they sound good, great.
Who cares if they're from the same sample pack, there are hundreds of ways to make them yours.
>>124152286
So no Argument. Ok.

>>124152168
>where everything just fits together like a musical jigsaw puzzle and then say they made a song?
what the fuck do you think how the electronic music was made 20, 30 years ago

>>124152271
Other producers care.
Guy who can only drag samples that other people made vs guy who can do it himself.
Guess who's going to look like a bum.
It's obvious you're just coping with being an incompetent bum

>>124152316
>Other producers care.
Not a single producer cares if your drums came from the same sample pack lol

>>124152310
>he actually is a hip hop guy
The argument is that you have no artistic standards because you're in a low bar environment where most producers, including the multimillionaire multiplayinum ones, don't know what the fuck they're doing and constantly embarrass themselves in interviews.
That's why you think this is acceptable. Because your standards come from the most embarrassing corner of the music production room.

>>124152271
>NOBODY cares what drum samples you used.
They’re obviously talking about loop spam.

>>124152355
TL;DR

>>124152357
So many producers use top loops with maybe miniscule eq. Nobody cares.

>>124152327
They care that they come from a sample pack at all.
They're not going to make fun of you for ot, but if you make them yourself you'll be a better producer.

>>124152358
Lmao exactly.
Thanks for proving my point.

>>124152368
Anon, seriously, go watch a video from James Hype. He uses loops, nobody beside literal autists "make" their own drums. You'll never finish a track if you make everything from scratch.
Is it cool if you can? Sure. It doesn't help your workflow one bit though.

>>124152315
By sourcing the sounds themselves. Not by paying a service that spoonfeeds it to you.
There's a reason people called what was new techno "the sound" and it isn't because they heard that sample on splice.

>>124152363
>so many
Good ones?
If your entire song is just a couple loops with nothing done then what’s separating one artist from another?

I genuinely have no problems with loops themselves but if you’re so lazy that it becomes obvious then there’s a high likelihood that what you’re making isn’t good.
Obviously there are exceptions but in general it’s landfill music

>>124152380
Who gives a shit what James Hype does.
Go watch a video by Noisia then.
Are you going to tell me James Hype is a better producer than Noisia?
No one thinks of fucking James Hype (or any of his ilk) when talking about producers with high skills.
Your favorite producer's favorite producer likely makes his own drums.
If you want to be an incompetent bum and chase the money then go ahead, take your shortcuts.
If you want to be actually skilled then you can't think in terms of what you can or can't get away with.

>>124152380
>nobody beside literal autists "make" their own drums
Bruh

>>124152423
>when talking about producers with high skills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsiiIa6bs9I

Even though I'm one of the ones arguing against loops, sometimes it really comes together into it's own thing. Capcom and SNK did a really good job with this in the 90s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdMCVDGOdUc

Pretty sure I've stumbled across every sample / loop in this song across 2 sample cds from the 90s. It's still one of the best video game songs I've heard.

>>124152315
The bar for what was acceptable 20 or 20 years ago was extremely low compared to now, in good part due to the limitations of the tools they had.
You can't look at those dated primitive practices and think they're a good example to follow today.

>>124152443
Di you have an actual argument or will you admit that you've been wrong from the start?

>somebody with no standards for themselves gets mad when this is observed by other people
Not even about the sample or loop shit specifically
This happens all the time and it’s so odd

>>124152405
>Not by paying a service that spoonfeeds it to you.
have you ever heard of the term "clearing a sample"
>>124152453
what do you mean by that? i still use fl studio 11 and a lot of plugins and synths from 00's and i can make any kind of music i please if i really want to

the point in producing electronic music is that there are no rules, you can use any sound ever recorded and include it into your track, if you want to make everything from scratch (and i've done this plenty of times) then you can do that as well

The drum sample argument is funny because imagine applying it to anything else
>bought a drum set? enjoy your five samples which everyone else with the same set has
>bought a drum machine? enjoy your dozen samples which everyone else with the same drum machine has
>bought an acoustic guitar? nice preset loser
Melodic loops are another topic entirely, same with rap and other genres where a "sample" can just mean "someone else's entire song".

>>124152715
This is not what anybody was implying, are you being intentionally obtuse?

>>124152693
( •_•)(●__● )● . ◉
(ﾟ ~ﾟ )
Sorry, I was looking for where you moved the goalpost. I thought we were talking about sample packs like the one referenced at the top of this thread?

>>124152739
There's a guy, maybe two, arguing that using drum samples means you're incompetent and that real producers will look down on you for using them. And it's an opinion I've heard multiple times elsewhere.
Do I need to hold your hand or are you capable of reading through the thread on your own?

>>124152781
>There's a guy, maybe two, arguing that using drum samples means you're incompetent and that real producers will look down on you for using them
where was this said

>>124152693
>the point in producing electronic music is
There is no point. You're free to do whatever you want snd I'm free to think less of you if you decide to take a shortcut in order to skip the difficult stuff.

>>124152757
lol what difference does it make if you sampled drums from a sample pack or from another track? it's not yours either way

i think the best thing would be to program our own DAWs and synths so nobody can call us gimmicks

>>124152809
>Your favorite producer's favorite producer likely makes his own drums. If you want to be an incompetent bum and chase the money then go ahead, take your shortcuts.

>The producer should care because they're depriving themselves of the growth that comes from not using shortcuts.

>Guy who can only drag samples that other people made vs guy who can do it himself. Guess who's going to look like a bum. It's obvious you're just coping with being an incompetent bum

What I did instead of working this morning. I know I know don't quit my day job.

https://vocaroo.com/16fIK5yNmIgV

>>124152870
yeah telling everybody that they should be making every little thing 100% from scratch or they're bad is silly

i haven't been reading this conversation because that's a stupidly obvious observation to make like why are you even arguing if dude lol "oh no that guy is a retard i have to tell him is a retard" like okay lmao

>>124152715
Sound design is part of what producers do, and if you're using samples you're using the work of another producer in your music.
Building physical instruments is not part of the job of a musician and nobody expects it from them, and the analogy with music production is to expect producers to code their own software (which some do but isn't expected of them because it's not really part of the producer's job).
If you're a producer who delegates parts of the production process to another producer (the guy who made the samples and presets you're using), then you're not as good of a producer as you would be if you didn't need that guy's help.

>>124152899
>yeah telling everybody that they should be making every little thing 100% from scratch or they're bad is silly
Then your songs aren't completely yours. Simple as.

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>>124152952
i don't believe in ownership of songs i "write" in the first place but go off i guess lol

>>124152405
nah, the majority of early jungle/dnb they used sample CDs and stock sounds, partly to avoid having to deal with sample clearance but mostly because it was easier/faster to work that way. Sample packs are the modern equivalent, I don't really do sampling myself but I think it's silly and naive to be against it

>>124152357
I thought it was obvious as well, but you can't account for exactly how retarded people can be. Here's an example of exactly what I meant:
>Anon purchases Dick-Shitting House vol. 1 sample pack
>It has various drum loops, bass loops, vocal loops and effects all at various BPM and keys
>He takes a drum loop and slaps it in his DAW playlist
>Takes bass line 1, 120bpm, key A and puts that down as well
>Copy for 8-16bars
>Swap bass line 1 for bass line 2 (120bpm, key D)
>Do this multiple times with different samples to give variety
>Throw female vocals 1 key A in there
>Sprinkle in effects 1, 2 and maybe 3 and 4
>Anon now has a 4 minute, dick-shitting house banger
>He shows his friends who don't produce music
>They think it's really good
>Anon thinks he's going to make it
Where the samples come from, what genre etc. is irrelevant. It's more that you didn't actually make anything, really. You basically played the game 'Music' on the PS1. Each to their own, but this does not seem creative or satisfying to make cause where is your soul in that music? Is this actually more common than I think?
>>124152207
>I just mentally filter these posts out and
bullshit, how the fuck can you actually tell when anon posts a vocaroo that's mostly (or all) samples without knowing the samples yourself? Sounds like mindless snobbery

>>124153057
>how the fuck can you actually tell when anon posts a vocaroo that's mostly (or all) samples

When there is a very obvious disparity in the quality of sounds used juxtaposing basic stuff like leveling, song structure, use of decorations etc (noob tell tales) and then stuff like composition or their ability to actually come up with a decent melody or progression etc.

Basically having ears for the most part, but if you've listened to enough music from non-pros you start to pick up on patterns

>>124152967
How you were inspired or how those ideas got in your head isn't relevant to the fact that you have automatic ownership of the work you do.

>>124153057
Oh and I don't think people should never do this kind of stuff, cause being encouraged to make music and express yourself is a good thing. It's more about when people do nothing but that and don't branch out at all from it, learn how things are made etc., there's only so much you can do to express yourself with fixed assets.

>>124153123
i am a translator to the spiritual realm bringing pre-existing music into existence for other people to enjoy

i didn't "make" anything therefore i don't own it

>>124153057
this is level of copypasta production is common for certain genres, like tech house. I think the average listener can still identify when a mix sounds generic as a result of lazy production, even if they won't know why it's bland. That said, most producers make use of loops or samplepacks from what I've seen. Interpolation (recreating a sample by rerecording it, usually to avoid paying for sample clearance) is also very common in the industry, especially for drums/rhythmic elements.

>>124152924
>Sound design is part of what producers do
When did producers begin doing sound design? Is putting together a pedal chain and experimenting with mic placement on a cab "sound design"? Is vibrating a metal plate and sending a vocal through it "sound design"? If so, you agree that you can do sound design while exclusively using source materials or tools that you didn't create yourself.

>if you're using samples you're using the work of another producer in your music
Work of another producer that they created for the purpose of other people to use their own music. Can you actually explain what the difference in skill is between programming an analog 808 with its onboard samples vs programming midi with an "808-inspired" sample pack from splice?

>Building physical instruments is not part of the job of a musician
>the analogy with music production is to expect producers to code their own software
This analogy doesn't work because you're conflating the manufacturing of an instrument with its development. Instruments couldn't have been conceived, developed, and perfected without the involvement of musicians. Who else would be able to identify an instrument's usefulness, playability, or other musical attributes? There's crossover between disciplines but pure coders or woodworkers aren't the ones inventing them in the first place.

>If you're a producer who delegates parts of the production process to another producer then you're not as good of a producer as you would be if you didn't need that guy's help.
Impossible claim to back up since the only metric of a producer that matters is the quality of the end product which is completely subjective. If a song would be improved by delegating a certain task to someone else then it would be in the producer's interest to do that. A CEO isn't incompetent or less skilled because they don't personally handle every single thing that happens in their company.

>>124153163
Even if what you said was true, you would own the work of recombining those ideas and turning them into something tangible.

this thread has exceeded its aspergers limit

>>124152420
>If your entire song is just a couple loops with nothing done then what’s separating one artist from another?
If the entire song is well made and fun to listen. It does. Not.Matter.
>>124152423
>Moving the Goalpost
Had enough of you

>>124153668
> what’s separating one artist from another?
Quality wise mate

https://voca.ro/17lqHZSgv1ov
>pop punk

>>124153668
>>Moving the Goalpost
You made the point that a famous producer (James Hype) using samples means that doing so doesn't make you an "inferior" producer.
I've flipped the same appeal to authority fallacy to you and made the counterexample of Noisia, who are infinitely better (objectively skill-wise, and arguably in everything else as well) and make everything from scratch, meaning that when you compare the two, James Hype is obviously the inferior producer, at least in regards to production ability (he might win when it comes to mass appeal and success, since he makes a more mainstream genre).

>Had enough of you
Lmao if only you knew the restraint I have to exercise in order to actually make arguments against your retarded posts instead of just calling you all the things that you are.
You should be grateful that I'm giving you the time of day even though you don't deserve it.

>>124153239
>When did producers begin doing sound design?
In the context of electronic music, pretty much from the start.
In the context of other genres, it depends on which definition of the word "producer" you're using, but my answer is still the same:
>Is putting together a pedal chain and experimenting with mic placement on a cab "sound design"? Is vibrating a metal plate and sending a vocal through it "sound design"?
Yes, to varying degrees those constitute all "sound design".

>If so, you agree that you can do sound design while exclusively using source materials or tools that you didn't create yourself.
Of course. If you do that then you can claim ownership of the "sound design" you did but not of the source.
If you did substantial work you can claim to have transformed it in some way, but if you just dragged a sample and all you did is basic mixdown, then what you did is no different than having that guy take your place at your desk and doing the work for you in your daw.

>Work of another producer that they created for the purpose of other people to use their own music.
The purpose it was made for is irrelevant to anyone's opinion of the people who use them.
There are objects that exist and are sold exclusively for purposes that you consider retarded/crazy/etc. and you (rightfully) judge those people who use them without saying "but those things exist for that purpose so it's not stupid/crazy/wrong/etc to use them.
See the logical fallacy?

1/3

>>124153239
>Can you actually explain what the difference in skill is between programming an analog 808 with its onboard samples vs programming midi with an "808-inspired" sample pack from splice?
Almost no difference. I'm not claiming that using a drum machine with premade sounds (even though a lot of them actually had controls for synthesis parameters) is some kosher sound design virtue.

>This analogy doesn't work because you're conflating the manufacturing of an instrument with its development. Instruments couldn't have been conceived, developed, and perfected without the involvement of musicians. Who else would be able to identify an instrument's usefulness, playability, or other musical attributes? There's crossover between disciplines but pure coders or woodworkers aren't the ones inventing them in the first place.
This is irrelevant and applies to both building physical instruments and making software, so my analogy is completely valid, but to actually address the point, you're making the mistake of separating the instrument builder/coder and the musician into two separate groups, while obviously the instrument maker has to also be part musician at least in some ways (I never claimed them not to be both), and they can collaborate with normal musicians for their expertise (in which case those musicians would be in small part instrument builders).
Just because builders are some times also musicians of sorts it doesn't make it reasonable to expect them to play a solo concerto (that's like telling a Formula 1 mechanic "you have a driving license and test drive the cars some times, so now you need to race in the Grand Prix"), since that's not their job.
And just because some musicians build/code their instruments it doesn't make it reasonable to expect any random musician to do so, for reasons that should now be obvious.

2/3

>>124153239
>since the only metric of a producer that matters is the quality of the end product
That's the only metric that matters *to you*.
Don't project your personal subjective standards and priorities onto every other producer.

>If a song would be improved by delegating a certain task to someone else then it would be in the producer's interest to do that.
Only if the goal is financial success and not artistry.
There can be many goals for which a producer may be producing, and delegating parts of the job goes in the opposite direction of those goals, which can be, for example, skill acquisition/growth, artistry as mentioned above, the intention of making something that represents your own personal musicality/sound (important for artists that have a recognizable sound that can't really be replicated by others), etc.

>A CEO isn't incompetent or less skilled because they don't personally handle every single thing that happens in their company.
A "typical" CEO is only concerned about financial success. If that's how you want to treat your music them go ahead. Nothing wrong with that. Just don't pretend to be on the same level of skill and artistry as someone who doesn't take shortcuts.

3/3

don't think she's gonna work out thoooo

https://vocaroo.com/1UpKTdoaftGn

does the mix even matter that much? there's tons of old songs that are mixed kind of poorly, still tons of people listen to them. I feel like as long as it's not too noticeable it's fine if your mix isn't perfect.

>>124155231
mix quality = ceiling of enjoy-ability of your song

note that "quality" means *appropriate for*

>>124155259
still people don't listen to mixes. they listen to music. The average normie isn't going to notice a lacking mix.

>>124155309
okay....

>>124155347
>dfuhduuhuuhokayduh-uhu-uhhhhh....opkayduhh
shut the fuck up faggot

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>>124155361
can you call me more names i'm kind of in the mood for it

Really random question but will an aux cable work if I plug it into a bass amp? It has a headphones and line in setting. I just want to make sure before I buy it

>>124147957
>>124148027
>>124149550
I appreciate it.
>>124155941
Yes. Even if it didn't have a 3.5 jack you can just use a cheap adapter.
Now will it sound good? idk, depends. I think my boss katana has a line in that avoids the bass eq just for playalongs.

It's pretty funny the last time I was taking music seriously, I was only producing because I couldn't stay focused on practicing cause it was too hard. Now I'm practicing every day and forgetting about producing cause practicing is easier. Pretty nice feeling to prove myself wrong.

>>124153952
Doesn't sound very pop punky to me. Sounds like some late 80s/early 90s light rock music fitting for a children's education program and sung by an American cartoon voice actress.
>>124154892
Very based, as always, senpai. You're taking over for my old senpai circa 2002 who has started making really weird and dirty music now.
>>124155941
Is aux cable what the cool kids are calling 3.5mm trs cables? I'm out of touch...

another questionable use of time
https://vocaroo.com/1bdzLQSVZlj4

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A beat a day 8
Synth pop edition
https://voca.ro/1ojvKo9crkqP
To be honest this one is a reworked version of a beat I posted here a while ago

just WIP, everything so far is just tentative and subject to change. because of that, the middle section is pretty blank and guitars are repetitive. I plan on improvising more licks and whatnot and adding more sections, parts, vocals, etc

https://vocaroo.com/11dq8y3XsGPW

>>124157091
its definitely pretty psycho but cool, keep putting in time making crazy stuff.

>>124157244
this is cool, I can tell you put thought into arranging which is good. I would just say humanize by learning songs on piano. creating stuff is actually kind of easy, what you should focus on is technique and learning other peoples songs that you like.

>>124157244
>I'm green dubadii boobadai
>dubadii boobadai
>>124157301
Groovy bass

>>124157341
>>I'm green dubadii boobadai
>>dubadii boobadai
Shit, I can hear the similarity

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wonky shitpost with one of the breaks for FUN
missing my hip-hop era b4 i knew :(((

https://vocaroo.com/15h0kZhSpFVv

>>124156529
I’m 31 and that’s what we always called them it even says that on the packaging

>>124153952
elmo type beat

>>124159966
didn't listen until your comment, lmao

Do you say N-velope or ON-velope?
I normally don't think about that, but I got annoyed listening to a guy repeatedly saying N-velope.
To me, the verb is pronounced N-velope and the noun is ON-velope.

>>124160586
are you esl? the verb isn't pronounced like either pronunciation of the noun, the 2nd and 3rd vowels are different.
noun rhymes with "antelope"
verb rhymes with "fell up"

>>124160766
I'm talking about the first syllable smartypants.
https://vocaroo.com/18AuNy1vRiXw
>noun, noun, verb

>>124160586
retard

>>124160852
en and on are both valid pronunciations for the noun. what are you even saying since your greentext agrees?

>>124160900
Oh, I didn't realize to whom I was replying until now.
(Please forgive me moderatorkun, I can't help but attempt to educate this poor soul.)
My statement has been clearly stated. I simply got annoyed listening to a guy repeatedly saying N-velope; context should have clued you in to the fact that the implication is that said pronunciation applied to the noun form. I never said it was not a valid pronunciation. It is possible to get annoyed by things that are valid -- like spelling the word grey as gray or vice versa. My question to those browsing this thread was to get a sense of which pronunciation is more common in their region.

lads, my full time job that i recently got is siphoning my energy and im not producing. help

>>124161214
i start producing immediately after work and i sleep less. it's not a difficult job though

>>124161504
>it's not a difficult job though
mine is

>>124161577
boo hoo

>>124161577
Is it possible to poduce before going to work?

>>124161590
get a job fuckwit

>>124161612
wahhhhhhhh my job is like so hard, i have to cry about it online in my hobby space *shits diaper*

>>124161623
get a job and lose weight

Guys, worth switching from fl studio to a different daw for workflow reasons?
I know fl inside out and use a shit ton of it's native features. From built in spectrogram and vsts to playlist, piano roll.
But the workflow at times is atrocious. Mainly the existence of channel rack and having to manually route shit, when you want to delete something you have to do it fucking thrice, in playlist + in channel rack + in mixer.
Is it worth it? If so what daw would u recommendate

>>124161637
use instrument tracks, you don't need to touch the channel mixer

https://vocaroo.com/1KWqVmAe1Zfp
idk what this even is just started messing around

>>124161635
already have that, not a big gay baby like you

surprised you have the energy to shitpost here, with your life being so hard

>>124161594
nah but i eventually get weekends off so i can dedicate my time there

https://vocaroo.com/17rl2GDEwSsm

>dnb

here are some producer resources id like to share

https://raredsp.com/drumclone - vst that perfectly extracts a kick from any track ( u can confirm this by reversing the polarity aka phase on the extracted kick and lining it up against the track it extracted it from and its gonna phase cancel it )

https://legowelt.org/samples/ - FREE sampled classic keyboards such as Juno and Jupiter , the guy hand crafted every one shot sample in there including the drums and there are a SHIT ton of quality pads arps leads all from classic analog keyboards

https://nnty.fun/downloads/other/90ssamplecds/converts/ - mirrored archive of 90s sample cd's where u can pick and choose what sample pack u want to download directly in ur browser instead of going through the hassle of torrenting every specific one

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/rmsc-by-denis-porfiryev - the best ring modulation sidechain plugin , WHAT IS RING MOD SIDECHAIN ? essentially * perfect * way of sidechaining cuz it sidechains the signals on the waveform level without any latency at all whatsoever , perfect for genres like DNB where u want bass and kick to hit at the same time with the same intensity

rutracker.org - this one everyone knows at this point but in case you didn't know , here it is , the best torrenting website to get vst's and sample packs from , word of advice though run every crack u encounter through Virus Total and Any Run , reason u want to use any run is cuz virustotal sometimes flags it as a positive even though it isnt a virus , any runs will tell u how the crack actually behaves and if you see that it's contacting a server in the network section that means you would be getting ratted / ur info getting stolen etc

>>124162237
i also forgot to put this in here

https://musical-artifacts.com/artifacts/3428 - this is a soundfont of one of the most classic and recognizable hardware rompler synths , sound of which are used all over music from the 2000s including trap , a lot of trap sound come from this keyboard as it was used by the producers who originated the genre such as shawty redd drich and zaytoven

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/osirus-by-the-usual-suspects - emulation of the Virus TI software , WHAT DOES THIS MEAN ? u can essentially get the VIRUS TI synth for free in ur daw if u have the rom for it ( u can find one on internet archive )

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>can only come up with one riff/idea for a song and sometimes able to come up with two for a song, never more
>whenever I program my own synth I create something that sounds nice at first but always hurts my ears
>eventually think what I make sounds lame even if I am excited initially

making music is so frustrating

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>>124141608
im trying to write this acid techno tune but im stuck idk what else to add / how to structure it

any techno bros can help me out ?

https://voca.ro/1eD0MxTVymAQ

>>124163113
it's good as it is

Need ideas for a name for my EP

>>124163728
Genre?

>>124162832
more often than not it's probably just that you've listened to it 5000 times in a short period and no song no matter how good can survive that. most people who listen to your song will listen to it once, and probably not even completely through. if you're lucky they'll listen to it regularly but it'll still be spaced out with a bunch of other music in their playlist or whatever. No one no matter the music background will scrutinize your work nearly as much as you do

>>124163803
ambient/ experimental

>>124163728
KOBUCHA

I keep needing to remind myself to breath when just practice and when I do that I always mess up whatever I'm playing

Just use loops!

>>124163815
nta, but this is a stupidly simple concept that I have overlooked when creating music. How do you stay fairly objective while having to listen to a piece over and over? I'm not at a stage where I can bang out a song in a day, not even a rough layout of a complete track. I get stuck listening to about 30 seconds of music 500 times and then end up hating it and moving on.

>>124163728
Meatpacking District

>>124163898
I'm at a similar stage. If I like something initially and like it for a good bit during the process, I tend to just ignore when that feeling creeps up later that it's bad. It goes away if you step back for a while and take a listen again later - just work on a few different tracks at once and cycle between them when you get fatigued on one. For sure there's a virtue in scrutinizing the details when you're making stuff, but you just run the risk of fatigue and it taking 500 years to release anything.

>>124163815
>>124162832
while 'it's only natural that you will get tired of something you listen to it over and over' is true, that's very different from not thinking it's good anymore.

if you stop thinking it's good the next day after initial excitement disipates, it's most likely just not good and you need to move on.

>>124162237
This is great, thanks, anon. In the spirit of sharing, I've found this handy as a beginner for knowing what hardware artists used to create their music, especially when I first started out as I didn't know what the commonly used brands/models of synths were. Especially good for a starting point when trying to replicate a track for practice:
https://equipboard.com/
It's community sourced lists, but they tend to be verified by mostly concrete evidence, like confirming live show set ups, or from the artists themselves confirming stuff through interviews etc. Here's one for the Final Fantasy composer just as an example https://equipboard.com/pros/nobuo-uematsu

>>124163113
mix seems too narrow

>>124164203
Yeah, not wrong. How long it takes for that feeling to come up usually tells the story. Think a melody might actually be bad three minutes after you wrote it, then yeah it probably is. Sitting on a song for weeks, liking it up to that point, and getting a feeling in the back of your head that it might be bad? Probably fatigue. If it wasn't boring the hundreds of times you looped over something, beginning to find it boring isn't the death knell of your project, just come back later and it probably won't be boring anymore.

got an idea for a v3 of a song that is good but it makes me sad and i don't want to be sad :(

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>>124164441
shut da FUCK up

>>124164490
choke me spit in my mouth and slap me first? :3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rJ7DR0X9kw

>>124164644
no, that's gay, i don't like women and refused are also aforementioned gay.

>>124164732
chigau :(

i'm stealing the blade runner song and i'm not even doing it myself idc idc

>>124161878
I'm the same (except these recent weekends have been eaten up with doing home maintenance shit before winter hits).
It's not the way, and we're not gonna make it. It's better to do a little everyday than binge on the weekends.

>>124147156
thanks

https://we tl/t-3AMCVhIg02

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writing vocal stuff but genuinely do not know what sounds good. i’ve listened to this so much trying to suss out if it sucks that i think im going insane

https://voca.ro/1nT4TXob1d7w

>>124166447
https://audioz.download/software/win/262300-download_celemony-melodyne-5-studio-v541004-r2r.html

i'd advise you post vocal-less before people start to recognize and you get bullied out of the thread lol

I don't think the vocal melody itself is bad, though it does sound kind of meandering in an unintentional way like you're kind of just going with whatever.
What instantly sticks out mix wise is the resonance of your voice (needs way more EQ) and how all over the place the leveling of everything else is.

>>124166788
woops, >(You) >>124166447

>>124166447
it might sound dope the way it is but with professional mixing/mastering. like some magdalena bay imaginal disk type shit that RYM fantano redditors go crazy for.

my enthusiasm........ IS GONE !

https://vocaroo.com/1KlbK633RBvE

>>124166447
oof, those vocals are fucking rough. you need to work on keeping in key first before touching it up and trying to fit it in the mix. I can hear the ideas behind it, though, and it would be decent if you could actually hit the proper notes with consistency and confidence. As is it has a bigger cringe factor than if it was just complete shit, cause I can hear that you're trying and the backing track is actually decent so it's giving me high school talent show style cringe. That said, this is probably one of the better things I've heard in these threads in ages and also mio is best girl.

When I'm sampling on my 404 my loops never sound good. Even when i change the envelope there's still either clipping or the fade out ruins the chop. Any advice?

>>124167809
your brain is broken and you should stop trying to sample or use your 404. you suck at everything to do with production

>>124166651
ty for spoonfeeding me anon i will play with that today

>>124166788
you’re kind thank you for your feedback! you’re right i need to rein in the melody a lot and i’ll learn about EQ and leveling.

>>124167031
i have a long way to go but thank you!

>>124167131
i’m actually grateful for that feedback because irl people usually say “sounds nais :)” and i don’t know what i don’t know, so thank you for giving me something to work toward. i think i can monitor my key in ableton and i think tapping stuff out with midi first will help me get my act together. yes mio good

>>124167849
Shit you're right. I'm going to go sell all my equipment now. Thanks for letting me know

>>124162832
>eventually think what I make sounds lame even if I am excited initially
It probably isn’t lame. If you’re playing it over and over again when working on it eventually you get “worn out” and it’s not as exciting. I’d say sit on it and wait a couple of days or so

>>124167809

It's not clipping, instead it's happening because you're not setting loop start and end points at zero-crossings of the sample's waveform, so you get a click as the level jumps instantaneously when it loops

I don't use a 404 so don't know whether you have many options for waveform display - wouldn't expect it to have any if it's a limited info display but maybe there's a seek function that will detect zero-crossings to help with looping?

>>124167809
press start/end, press 'resample' to enable zero-cross snapping. move the CTRL 3 knob until the end is seamless, sometimes your sample will include the start of the next beat, so stop right before that hit. additionally make sure your loop point matches the start point by moving ctrl1/2.
It helps to keep the sample on loop mode while doing this so you can hear the loop.
>>124157322
thanks! one day I'll make psycho sound good I think

https://vocaroo.com/1bOl6gWixjoN
>industrial techno
>noise
just want to get some feedback on this track kinda feel like i went little bit overboard with harshness on this one

>>124166447
>>124167988
kill yourself tranny

>>124169219
>https://vocaroo.com/1bOl6gWixjoN
I like it. It's a little too repetitive for me, but I'm not using headphones so maybe there are some finer details I'm not hearing that evolved. It sounds mixed well, and I could see myself putting on a gas mask and goggles to it.
Not sure my opinion matters because I've only posted harsh noisy stuff in this thread.

>>124169362
>It sounds mixed well,
it's absolute ear rape in headphones and unlistenable

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>>124169339
this

the world needs more MEN women are gross and CRINGE

>>124169232
>filename
?

>>124169500
Re-mixing a song atm that was the WIP when suddenly a family member who I hate almost passed away.
... he's fine, uh... fortunately I guess, but the song is tainted and it was a little peephole out of some stockholm syndrome type headfuck shit
(yes i know that's not real shutup)

>>124170219
Sorry/glad to hear that. Whichever one you prefer lol/:(

>>124170449
I’d be completely fucked if he actually had died but ONE OF US has got to go soon and I’m being completely serious

>>124168847
>>124168550
Yes hitting resample for the zero cross fixed it. Thank you guys

>>124170543
I'm not going to press you for personal details but I hope you find peace soon, one way or the other (but not the suicide way!).

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A beat a day 9
Baroque edition
https://voca.ro/14CGvJbcmBZi

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how to monitor your lows btw
just set auto to range on spectrum

check against your references obviously but there's a pretty obvious pocket things will fall into if you balance correctly and are making genre

yaquot (yet another questionable use of time)
https://vocaroo.com/1bTRMpPpZhOq
>ywnbrhj

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grunt birthday party x metallic rouge
took out the Sully - Swandive part unfortunately

https://vocaroo.com/1eAR3HSYkwjY

picrel

https://vocaroo.com/1oVURuqRfYVQ

>>124172520
Are those the new MPE pitch slides?

>>124172557
No I don't think so. Is MPE exclusive to ableton?

>>124172577
No

>>124172577
Nah.
I think FL Studio had some of those features with their own instruments forever ago.

>>124172604
>>124172605
yes sorry i see what you mean now and yes it was MPE

quick dumm lil technoz to cap the night

https://vocaroo.com/1h3GD3EdvI3i

okie bye !

>>124173814
ok. have gud nite.
btw, u beeter b on the trance album, or else ill b sad

>>124173857
what's that

>>124173862
In the same way that ambient jungle made a comeback, early trance / techno will be the next big wave.

>>124173926
Both classic trance and by “trance” has been trendy as hell for a minute now actually.

I honestly can’t see techno appealing to the same demographic because most of the revival trends have a very obvious common thread that is fundamentally at odds with techno (well, in the traditional sense and what most people here would understand it to be)
… but who knows, that would be cool though.

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Can anyone tell me if I am going to hard on these harmonies? Should I just get rid of them?
>https://voca.ro/15R1n8PuccjP

I really wanna make instrumentals as a hobby but trying to self teach myself anything has been overwhelming. I’ve done university computer courses that were a breeze compared to DAWs. Every action creates 10 questions, if it doesn’t do nothing

I’m starting from scratch. I have a PC and an akai mpc mini. I can make a beat in my head in a second but how do I get on the computer and play it back to myself as I want it. Please advise (also assume no $ can be spent)

https://vocaroo.com/1aC5IwpN7kuI

>house

thanks for the listen frens

>>124174122
Do you know what MIDI is? Or a vst?
Honestly when someone describes a piece of music as "a beat" I assume they want to make hip hop so program some drums or something I guess.

>>124174314
At first I wanted to make hip hop beats but what I would like to create today is probably something very similar to a modern pop/kpop instrumentals so that also includes hip hop. I definitely want to experiment with bass as much as possible

>>124174618
Well daws mostly all do the same stuff but are organised and presented differently. The creative process of music and the technical process of daw production are different skill sets, though.
If you've got a daw just use the one you have or download reaper if you don't, I guess.

>>124141907
Spirit in the Sky is a good song to learn on guitar

>>124144977
Don't tell him about how Daw's make copies of every single clip and waveform used taking up space somewhere

>>124145062
Better to spend a longer time on one track, that way its not disposable.

>>124174892
all his shit is disposable splice loops. he never plans on releasing anything, ignore his posts

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>>124174883
or how all DAWs periodically upload your project files to servers for filtering, categorizing and cleaning to eventually sell as bite-size ideas and loops to the biggest studios and corporations that will use them in the creation of radio-friendly hits for the masses pumped out by the same handful of globally successful artists.

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This shit makes me fucking depressed as fuck. Guy is 18 and has already made it, why am I even trying.

>>124163113
supersaw sequence sounds silly, turn it into either a pad or sporadic rhythmic stabs
also it needs more drums, listen to some of those classic rave tunes they have 909 snares, toms and hats on almost every step with varying volumes

>>124174122
just get a volca sample or something

https://vocaroo.com/1fGb97GrWGDi
is screamo rap a thing?

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Good morning. Reminder it's never too late

>>124176757
>27
lol

yea looks like he's nearly reached the top

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>>124176833
oops

>>124176843
This is exactly who I had in mind for the destructive pivot conversation

Great first album followed by an immediate falloff when he became “serious”

So does anyone know some legit site for music promotion? Absolutely no bot plays.
I read some stories of people who paid for promotions a couple of grand and now make a living of music. Which site would be for that?
Are those promotions directly on soundcloud legit? I mean no bots?

>>124177657
"promotion" is payola, guy. you get pushed in official playlists and in the algo, but there's no guarantee you will have returning listeners when your promotion time is out, or have listeners to begin with if your genre is too niche and nobody cares to check those playlists. If you wanna grow "organically", do stunts. Make a tiktok or a youtube channel and post music videos or weird videos with your music on it.
Honestly, unless you have nothing to lose and will an hero when you're 100k in debt, just release your music on soundcloud for free as a hobby, maybe make videos if you like that shit too, but don't spend money on internet promotion. If you wanna spend thousands, do local shows first.

>>124141608
Anyone know what sorta drum machine would sound similar to the really fast one used in this song (when the woman is singing): youtube.com/watch?v=ieG7lDh9DfQ

https://voca.ro/1aaPJnJ8LJ2v

Posted this last thread and took some anons advice on high hats. I also figured out a work around for the mono issue I was having. Please, if you would, critique me on the mix. Luv u aninns

>>124177912
it's just a pitched up snare sample innit

>>124178296
put the kick dead center, hats a lil louder, other than that its gud

>>124177911
but why wouldn't i try out promotion with couple of hundred bucks, maybe i'll get recurring users/ fans?
it worked for some people, maybe it will work for me
at this point i dont even have slightest idea does my music have potential or not, since you can't gauge anything with couple of dozen plays i get from "organic" promotions

>>124178302
>it's just a pitched up snare sample innit
I wouldn't know im not familiar with music produciton.
I just liked the very mechanical/industrial sound it had.

>>124178309
Thank you!

https://vocaroo.com/1gIigp1KKyqR
analog jam

>>124178321
NtA but spending money to make people listen to you just doesn't sound like a good investment. You'd be better off buying equipment with that money even if you never use it. Just make music, put it out and show your peers or family. If you can't handle being embarrassed then you won't be able to handle when a stranger q

>>124176876
I believe it has to be like a 50/50 chance you make it after initial success , sink or swim

>>124178321
>at this point i dont even have slightest idea does my music have potential or not
it's usually not that much of a mystery, like those talent show judges on TV they can tell straight away if the contestant doesn't have what it takes. there are objective standards that the mixing and mastering should be done to, the recordings should have a reasonable signal to noise ratio, and there are "common sense" music theory concepts that apply to the vast majority of the population of listeners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYLQHc6J9N0
like anyone can respect darude - sandstorm because of the clean sounds that they got out of those hardware synths and the pacing and melody was done in good faith

>>124178712
I would be spending money for reach, which i dont have currently. Couple of people who do listen to my music like it. Why wouldnt i try out the ad campaign, maybe it will have good results? I dont know why would i have haters, i dont intend to be that popular to have haters

>>124176095
yes, why are you trying? stop trying and stop complaining

>>124179551
If you want to do it, then go ahead. I'm not trying to doompost but you can't really expect much from that.

minilogue / elektron warming up today, kinda too loud
https://vocaroo.com/1bLboeeOVQT6

reach for the stars! oh no... how far have the stars fallen?

>>124180729
i've seen people on youtube showing 200k streams from a 300$ promo. obviously that's an outlier but if i could get a fraction of that result i'd be happy. also, some pay for promo throughout couple of years and at some point it pays off( if the music is good, presumably)
i made a 35$ starter campaign so we'll see

>>124180836
I tried to run a youtube channel for a year and had a lot of success with a youtube ad. Very cheap, and if you actually make it entertaining (which is the bar for success anyway) people will respond positively. Every comment on that video is someone saying "Wow I can't believe I watched this ad" or something similar.
tl:dr make a quick youtube video with your song, pay to run it as an ad

holy fuck i hate /biz/ retards being here

how much money I need to pay to become rich and famous!??!?

>>124180875
that's a good idea, i did that already, i just checked i got 500 views but i only paid 5$ (!) so its a pretty good deal, i think i'll try it again

>>124180895
i'm not the anons posting about marketing but at least i have half a chance because of my exceptionally good solution for monitoring and general autism in researching various aspects of what goes into music production. most people don't even have a chance but they cope about music taste being subjective because they don't have the equipment needed to hear nuanced differences between commercially viable music and amateur shitmusic

>>124181522
You're the headphone schizo that doesn't make music and wastes his time spamming threads with junk info no one wants to hear

>>124181586
i tell the uncomfortable truth so you might wake up sooner instead of being 10 years into it and realizing that you're still a loser

>>124181522
Dont think thats a make or break factor in this scenario but okay

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Ive reached the dunning-kreuger check point. I feel like my beats and mixes sound good. Which due to said effect means that they are actually shit and I don’t realize how shit they are. There’s nothing (you) need to do with this information and this thread will explode in 10 seconds. Goodbye.

>>124181656
monitoring and being able to listen is the #1 thing you need to even get started with developing a mature music taste and being able to select good sounds etc. it's the main reason why the big studios dominate the market because yes they spend on marketing but they also produce quality. you're deluded if you think you have the same production quality as the big studios.

>>124181722
Just because some song is squaky clean with each frequency perfectly represented without clashes etc doesnt mean said song is quality

>>124181656
He's a troll that doesn't make music. He just shitposts here and in the /g/ thread, sperging out about plugins he will never use and their "sound quality" claiming he's doing everyone a service. The quicker you learn his style of posts, the quicker you can ignore him
>>>/g/102951808
>>>/g/102972032

https://vocaroo.com/1oo4kH0tCF9d

idk i feel like the transition into the second chorus is bad...also feel like I'm not getting any better which sucks but at least im trying. what do you guys think? just a shell, more or less so far so i know its repetitive

one of the rent free anons is this furry who shills his own plugins which he makes a living off of with patreon kek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErZcCehjpGQ

>>124181869

I'm ok with that guy, he clearly knows his stuff but the models he's got in his head for how stuff works are so unique to him that only the simps who study and respond to every video can pick up anything useful from him, and even then they have to sift through the stuff that he says and also the text that he puts on screen at the same time which is a whole additional (although related) conversation.

Quite smart in a way, by doing that he's ensuring that people watch each video multiple times but I'm not sure he does it for that reason, I think he's just assuming that his autism is everyone else's autism, probably loses more people than he gains.

>>124175817
Lmao well good luck turning my music in to something commercially profitable I'm sure there's loads of rappers looking for string quintets and 3 minute organ solos to rap over.

anyone else opens the DAW but never actually starts anything? why is it so fucking hard to start anything bros. I have track ideas, I even did a bunch of organizational optimizations to make things quick and easy, but still the same thing happens. once every 3 or 6 months I finally bring myself to make something and I'm happy for doing it even though the quality is meh, then I plan on starting something again next day.. annnd here comes the hurdle once more

>>124182855
Just grab a vst and make some notes then make some more.

>>124182866
well yeah, I even made a template to make things flow faster but the first move is the worst one. if I get through that then I can go for about 2-3 hours until I need a pause, then I'll listen and see if it's worth working more on it, if it is then at this point it's way easier to come back to it because there are clear goals to accomplish, but if have to trash it and start something new then it's back to the abyss

>>124182855
What exactly do you end up doing after you open the DAW?
I can't even get myself to open the DAW...

>>124183591
it usually goes like this
>be browsing random stuff
>maybe come across something that gives inspiration
>have idea in head for some time
>"ok NOW I will actually start something"
>opens DAW
>project loads
>"uhhhhhh so uhh maybe I uhhhh place a kick? haha"
>gets distracted
>never started anything

>>124183591
>>124183794
Just make some fucking music. It doesn't have to be good. Everyone starts shit, the difference is in how long the being shit at it period lasts. Which for you will be forever unless you actually learn to just make some god damn music. Play a melody or some chords, accompany it, make some music. Make an entire piece of music in a single synth, or play some improv for a bit and then touch it up a little and use that if you can.
Finish it: you don't want to spend your life polishing turds but you can't get up off the shitter before you're done with it either. An unfinished track is worthless because it could still be anything. A finished one might teach you something.
Do you need a homework brief? Set you a scene to score or some shit?

>>124183944
this
for example most anons would call this generic slop and it basically is slop just with pretty good production, doesn't take a rocket scientist to write something like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE1xD5dqBcg

or this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHVxIjpycNc

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anyone know where I can pirate/download flex packs? I like how easy it is to use and adjust things for synth noobs like me.

>>124184046
rutracker if ur not retarded (u probably are)

>>124184052
everyone has some mental affliction that makes them retarded in the legal sense

>>124184064
not really lol wtf

>>124183957
There's a lot of average people out there doing fine for themselves, and anons here can't even give themselves permission to be average.
Sad.
Tell you what, if you're reading this sitting in front of a DAW in despair, I want a short (12 measures or under) lament in 4 part choral-style harmony over a bassline that descends chromatically from 1st-5th, then resolves however you want. Put it in an actual choir vst if you have one, or else upload a midi somewhere or screenshot the piano roll and I'll do it for you. Then I'll listen and give encouraging feedback.
I'll be back in an hour. Go get em', tiger.

>>124184269
>a short (12 measures or under) lament in 4 part choral-style harmony over a bassline that descends chromatically from 1st-5th, then resolves
I don't know what the fuck is this

>>124184407
shiet man just make a dope as fuck beat and make that shit slap my nigga you knowm sayin?

>>124184441
this but unironically. if you're not retarded you can just figure out what sounds good without all this autistic shit.

>>124176095
>has a video on youtube
>he's already made it
strange definition

https://vocaroo.com/19nOCUydDjRc

need feedback on the overall song and more specifically on how I can make the second interlude sound increasingly deranged

>>124182069
he's really active on gearslutz and sometimes makes more sense in replies to questions there

>>124184269
How do I get over my fear of opening the DAW?
Actually.. just opened it and now I'm annoyed-as-fuck that the keyboard shortcuts/mouse and modifier behavior is not consistent with the pdf editing software that I use at work.
>>124184407
Same

>>124184691
great piece. maybe more horns and layers of instruments in general during the intermissions. good job

>>124184269
I'm not sure what those terms mean exactly but I guessed and made this
https://vocaroo.com/154FZuN6lpVa

>>124184691
would sound better with a johnny cash-esque cowboy voice singing

>>124184769
sounds like crap

https://vocaroo.com/1hMFxSj47jtN

is this snippet interesting?

>>124184769
We are from different worlds, my friend.
This is my attempt at whatever he was asking:
https://vocaroo.com/1hiCfpk4sink
t. guy afraid to even open his DAW
>>124184811
rude

>>124184845
also sounds like crap. don't care if you think it's rude

the composer for cave story made all the songs with zero music production knowledge btw

>>124184845
keep your daw closed

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>>124184811
I agree, but I like to participate

>>124184922
good attitude. keep it up

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>click on the free samples link
>immediately see paid sample packs

>>124184407
>lament
A sad song for when someone dies
>4 part harmony
Written for 4 voices that more or less sound continuously on identifiably separate parts
>baseline
The bit at the bottom
>descends
Goes down
>chromatically
Hits all the notes including ones not usually in the scale
>from the 1st to the 5th
From the tonic of the chosen chord to the dominant

>>124184845
Final resolution is so upbeat it's sort of jarring, but I like the tendency toward contrary motion between the bass and soprano voice on the downbeat. Simple and effective composition. Sounds like a funeral for my roomba.

>>124184769
>I'm not sure what those terms mean exactly
Yeah I can tell that but also google exists.
Still good job for getting something done. Sounds like a gay vampire nightclub in a bad softcore film.

>>124185188
>Final resolution is so upbeat it's sort of jarring,
I wanted to have a ritardando into a slow pitchbend into the major third to ease into to represent the roomba's soul arriving in heaven, but I don't know how to edit midi yet; I just recorded a live take and left it.

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>>124185188
ok like this?

>>124185188
opening the daw was more fun than opening google, especially when you're gonna break it down for me anyway, senpai

>>124185404
https://voca.ro/1exQie0p81NO
A bit all over the place. Has some nice chords that work well for a lament and a few suspensions that sound good, a weak cadence at the end (which arguably could be a stylistic choice but it could probably still be improved) and weak melodic motion overall but I won't worry about giving counterpoint specific feedback given that you probably typically make dubstep or something and don't actually want to make this stuff.
Still, some very bold choices for the harmony that I quite like.

>>124185850
>A bit all over the place
true, I started with thinking about the lament theme but then I just moved notes around until it sounded okayish, then I remembered that I had on focus on the theme, towards the end I just went somewhere else entirely I think..

>>124185404
>>124185850
I like it. The ending is almost like those french impressionistic ones where they throw out an unresolved chord to leave you feeling it even after the piece ends.

Why doesn't the Live manual say anything about Ctrl+Scroll = zoom ? Are there any other secret shortcuts/modifiers?
https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/live-keyboard-shortcuts/

>>124185762
>>124185932
Just realised I should do one too.
I don't particularly like how the alternating rhythm sounds and may have gone way overboard on the tritones, but no time to fix it.
https://voca.ro/15wR48EJCENa

Is there a way in Live to click and drag to place a note and drag it out to its desired duration, or do you always need to click once and then grab the end and adjust it / set your grid subdivisions before placing notes?

>>124184659
This guy:
>born in florida, us
>network with us zoomers, make good music
>it immediately pays off and you get signed to label and get popular
Me:
>born in shithole
>network with noone, music scene is non existent here
>grind endlessly to leave shithole, make ok music since u don't have time to make actually good music
>die

>>124186889
Can confirm. In my shithole only a few things actually get any traction, and you either have to already be well connected or have to suck lots of cock. Being born in US or EU makes things infinitely easier for a music career

>>124186943
>you either have to already be well connected or have to suck lots of cock
you're halfway there

>>124186943
>>124187041
Wait I can suck cock in exchange for success?
Fucking idiot, I've been doing it for free.

>>124187041
But I used "either x or y"
Are you implying that I only sucked half of the cocks necessary?

>>124187074
huehue
Sadly the truth is that there is a guy that has been shitposting both here and in the sister thread and he isn't very bright. One of the tells is that the post is entirely in lowercase -- although I believe there are others that occasionally post in all lowercase as well, so you need to keep an eye out for other signs, like going full retard and being mean for no reason.

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>>124187227
>One of the tells is that the post is entirely in lowercase
so basically, one of the tells is this extremely common typing pattern that you can observe in almost any thread across the entirety of 4chan.
>so you need to keep an eye out for other signs, like going full retard and being mean for no reason
other signs include another 2 examples of things that are happening all over 4chan in any thread you decide to go into across all boards and at all times.

>>124184868
>Cave Story[b] is a 2004 Metroidvania[1] platform-adventure video game for Microsoft Windows. It was developed over five years by Japanese independent developer Daisuke "Pixel" Amaya in his free time. Cave Story features 2D platform mechanics and is reminiscent of the games Amaya played in his youth, such as Metroid and Castlevania. After its initial self-published release, the game slowly gained popularity on the internet. It received widespread critical acclaim for many polished aspects of its design, such as its compelling characters, setting, story, and gameplay. Cave Story is considered by many as the quintessential indie game because of its one-person development team and influence on the video gaming world.[2][3]
the quality standards were completely different 20 years ago and the soundtrack doesn't sound special to me it's just that it's not ridiculously monotonous and low effort like the average no-name teenager techno/dubstep. it's like runescape music which has no appeal other than nostalgia for people who played the game.

japanese people have archaic common sense and work ethic which adhd zoomers lack anyway

>>124188527
listen to the remastered version of the soundtrack and you'll hear how good it is. it follows the same arrangements just using better, more modern sounding instruments and synths.

>>124188679
https://soundcloud.com/uvi-official/px-memories-wild-girl-by-john
he made this track basically as a throwaway to demo the synth and it's more compelling to me than the remastered cave story ost

>124188819
has to be bait, lmfao

>>124188834
nice wishful thinking idolizing some 2d pixel game from 20 years hoping to replicate its success

you sound bitter as fuck lol

>>124188860
cope, the ost sounds barely like anything more than runescape music

>>124188877
that isn't the insult you think it is

>>124188897
delusional
headphone/IEMfags have such a skewed perception of music like you listen to some bleepbloop video game music and think it's the shit while songs that get billions of streams all suck according to you

>>124188914
commercialised music is usually forgotten, great music stands the test of time after several decades.

>>124188924
most people who know anything about music don't dickride runescape music lmfao

>>124188935
what do you know about music?

>>124188945
notice how other anons aren't chiming in and defending the cave story ost, if only for the sake of trolling me. it's all (You)

>>124188991
ironically, I'm not the same anon who initially brought up cave story >>124188834 was my first post ITT.

https://voca.ro/17lYegSidja4
im remixing this 90s euro dance song from serbia but im not sure if it sounds good or if i have ear fatigue to the point i think it sounds good

im also not sure how i should structure the intro as i feel it starts too soon and ive no idea what to do after the last part

ik the mix is shit but id appreciate any feedback on this

>>124185081
reddit rutracker and telegram channels are ur friend , dont pay for sample packs and vsts unless u actually want to support the person behind it , all of those are usually just rehashed serum presets and basic samples anyways so theres no point in buying most of them

>>124188924
there is no such thing as commercialised music , if ur music is shit no amount of marketing is gonna save it , its either gonna become a meme or people are gonna shit on it

>>124189010
this is extremely off-putting that i'm on the same website as you incel dorks with a toddler's taste in music, yet somewhat encouraging at the same time knowing that i'm not doomed like you are

>>124189095
what do you know about music?

>>124188914
a lot of people listen to music just cuz everyone else listens to it and they thing its the right thing to listen , tastes are subjective at the end of the day and there is no such thing as good or bad music but humans are naturally prone to gravitating to things everyone else is doing ... like sheep following other sheep , that explains a lot about EDM popularity

>>124189095
>i called 4chan incel dorks that makes me better than you

you do realize you're here arguing with us about music

having an ego as an unknown nobody who makes 0 money from music is insane lol

>>124186819
turn off draw mode, double-click to place a note but hold down mouse button on second click instead of letting go, now you're setting the length by dragging (and can press ctrl/cmd to disable grid if needed)

>>124186889
>>124186943
start your own scene then, dickheads. and if you're making western style music then there's no point moaning that westerners have it easier networking in their own societies, which is a given. do something worth noticing and nobody will care where you're from.

>>124186889
>>124186943
that's why the internet exists

>>124189103
EDM had the best sounds circa 2010 when people had shitty audio and a lot of the mainstream music was dropping the ball with loud unpleasantly distorted digital masters. the top EDM producers made some of the best music at the time by using clean synths and minimal vocals so that people's shitty headphones etc could handle it.

>>124189092
>there is no such thing as commercialised music
lol
lmao

>>124189669
the main pop stars get worshipped with comments like "she ate". people genuinely think there are artistic qualities to the music and most of it sounds really good on a capable audio system. you thinking of it as slop is just your bitter cope and seethe.

>>124189699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97RjuC9YeXg
This was huge when I was young, yet it's hot garbage.

>>124189714
the instrumentals seem fine as far as 70s disco music goes, it's just the duck gimmick and the repetitive lyrics which can be tolerated for a dance track

>>124180786
pretty nice, too much compression tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9K8-3PHZOU
at face value this might seem goofy, annoying, but the instrumentals are fucking dope with a similar quality to darude sandstorm, presumably using hardware synths/beatmachine with analog distortion

new thread when?

>>124187227
trolling in /prod/? all lowercase??? no waiy lol

stop ignoring songs i actually think are good wtf

>>124190665
what songs are you even talking about

anyway these "discussions" are mostly useless with sickening gaslighting, i'm supposedly the one who's baiting for liking this guy's track more both composition and sound design wise than some japanese game dev kid who had no prior experience in making music
>John is a Greek-born composer, producer and sound designer. From his studio, he delivers scoring, production and sound design services for a great number of prestigious brands such as BBC, Amazon Studios, Ninja Tune Production Music, Native Instruments, Ableton, Virgin and Vice Magazine to name a few.

>John's professional experience began in the 90s, emerging in his late teens as a composer and producer for popular music and gradually expanding his skill-set across a large variety of genres. With the abilities he acquired through his 20-year professional career, as well as his genuine love for soulful music, he has managed to craft a strong, musical identity which sound both personal and diverse. When not working on tight deadlines, John uses Poordream as a vehicle to freely express his emotions and influences without defining limits and by exploring sound and composition beyond the boundaries of conventional electronic music.

the song isn't going to write itself but having a good synth sure helps, it's not subtle how much of a difference it makes

>>124190850
when are you going to write a song?

I really don't want to try to make edm music anymore, I want to start making DSBM or "blackgaze" I have no mood to continue doing this style of music, besides I really suck
https://voca.ro/1njhpY2ROzHP

>>124190822
>noooo you don't understand he's actually an esteemed composer!
Don't care. The track of his you posted was generic crap that doesn't go anywhere. Even skilled composers can make crap if they're just doing it for a paycheck.

>>124191041
it has a couchlocked druggie vibe which isn't my thing so yeah it doesn't go anywhere but at least it adheres to norms. the cave story ost is some fucking bullshit

>>124191065
the cave story ost is soulful, it was made with passion and that shines through in spite of its simplistic sound palette. People still praise its OST 20 years on for good reason.